The Kirovles Case. Court Video Recording. Hearing 10

Please be seated.

The court session is hereby declared open.

The hearing of the criminal case continues

in relation to Navalny and Ofitserov.

At the previous court session, we concluded

with the reading of the inspection report.

At the present court session, upon

the motion of the prosecution,

the court may examine, may examine

physical evidence,

namely audio recordings of intercepted

telephone conversations. There is a motion.

Is it correct to understand that after

examining the report that was reviewed,

we will proceed to the physical

evidence, that is, the optical discs

that are directly

being examined by the court in order to compare

the identity of what is set out in

the report with what is contained

on the said discs. Do you support this?

>> Yes, yes.

>> Does the defense have any position on this

motion?

>> Your Honor, we did not hear.

>> The defense's position regarding

the examination of the physical

evidence, namely the optical discs

containing the intercepted audio recordings.

>> Let's examine them.

>> Your position?

>> Yes, I have no objection.

>> The defendant?

>> Your...

>> Counsel Mikhailov's position?

>> No objection.

>> No objection.

>> I see that defense counsel Kobzev is absent.

Can we continue hearing the case in his

absence?

>> Yes, that is possible.

>> Defense counsel Davydova, your position?

>> Yes. That is possible, Your...

>> Prosecutor, your position?

>> The court rules to continue hearing

the criminal case in the absence of defense counsel

>> Kobzev.

>> Exhibit 218.

>> The box containing

physical evidence is now being opened,

which was submitted to the court together with

the materials of the criminal case.

Now, an envelope bearing the inscription

"criminal case, package number three,"

an optical disc, white on the front side.

Optical disc CD-R,

serial number indicated, containing

the original results of the operational

measure involving the interception of telephone

conversations.

The integrity of the packaging has not

been compromised; all seals are present.

Now...

now

I will open it now.

From

this envelope, there is removed

another envelope.

This envelope bears the seal

of the Main Investigative Directorate.

It says: results of the... criminal case

two compact discs, CDs with audio recordings

of telephone conversations, received

from officers of the FSB for Kirov Region (Russia's Federal Security Service) during

the course of operational-search measures with respect to

Navalny and Ofitserov; the signatures of the attesting witnesses

and investigators are present. Two discs have been removed.

It is indicated: declassified by order

No. 3/2532

dated July 17, 2012; registration

number indicated: on one disc, 309S

and on the second, 267S.

At any rate...

I wanted to clarify: are we now going to listen to

what the prosecution read out yesterday?

Yes.

>> Yes. In that connection, I simply wanted

to give an explanation to the court, exercising my

right to testify at any moment,

that, in order for the court to understand

the context of the discussion, it is possible that on

these recordings, if they really are my

phonograms from what the prosecution read out yesterday,

the events on these recordings take place

in July,

>> September

>> September 2009. And what is being discussed is precisely

>> an обсуждение of

that very fabricated

audit report about which we

have repeatedly

heard witness testimony. And from

these recordings it may in fact follow

that I was requesting information from Ofitserov

in order to

prepare the report that I was preparing for

Governor Belykh regarding

the audit report. Just so that

this is clear in the context of these

discussions.

Yes, perhaps that's all.

...so that the secretary can be seen.

Hello.

>> Hello. Hi. Can you talk? I can.

>> How are things there? We have something interesting here. Just

some guy called just now, literally 15

minutes ago, said he was from the Interior Ministry in the Volga Federal District.

We're conducting a check... I want to

speak with you.

>> ...

>> That's exactly why I'm calling.

He also called

>> probably about 40 minutes ago.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Andrei explained it.

>> I see. Why did he call you? As for me,

that's clear. I was his client, after all.

>> All right then. Are you in Moscow right now?

>> Yes, in Moscow.

>> I'm going to Moscow today. Let's

meet up somewhere. I don't know, maybe

around the Kiyevsky area. I'm heading back by

plane.

>> Okay, let's do tomorrow then. When will you be back?

Tomorrow.

>> I'm flying back tomorrow already.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Let me call you tomorrow from Moscow,

and we'll arrange it. Oh,

>> yes. Look, the way we agreed

at the meeting, I said that right now

it's not me showing interest in the company, but my

brother. And that you can talk to him

instead. So I gave them the phone number and

explained it; I called and said that

I was telling the truth, just as it is. Uh-huh. That's it,

yes, on my end. Okay, bye.

>> Okay.

>> Your Honor,

>> if possible, could you please just state

which folders these are located in. That is,

the folder names, so it's clear

>> and the file name itself.

>> As I understand it, the playback now

started from the end of what you were reading out.

So the analogous

recording will now be played. 77 1530.

Is that disc still there?

>> Yes, there's another one. Playing

the next one. 7 F DF 603.

Hello,

what did you want?

>> I'll stop by now.

>> No, no, I'm not there.

>> You're not there? No, it's just that someone just came to see me

a representative of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from the

Volga Federal District.

>> Uh-huh.

>> About Kirovles.

>> Uh-huh.

>> So, he—they're conducting some kind of

inspection. Uh, Kirovles management is saying

that I interfered in the company's work,

forced counterparties on them, and

so on. Let me come by in half an hour,

I'll come see you myself. And you know what else

is going on here? I just got a vaccination downstairs

down there. They're looking for you now too, to get you vaccinated

as well.

>> Ah, oh, I'll come by now, yes, I wanted to get the vaccination

done.

>> Go ahead. All right. And I'll come to you in half an hour

I'm just stepping out for half an hour, and in half an hour

I'll be with you.

>> Okay, okay.

>> Uh-huh.

Right, that's all, there isn't anything else on this disc

anymore.

Anton, try to reach the young lady

who is turning them on.

All right,

all right.

A little more. Okay, stop.

All right.

>> The disc was played.

It says here: declassified by

order no. 3/2532

below

19—either that or something else; it's not very legible.

0712,

registration no. 309S, the date given is

08.06

2010. Next disc. It says on it

declassified by order no. 3/2532

dated, well, it looks more like the nineteenth. 0712

no. 267

letters O, E, B.

Which

disc?

Not the disc, the audio file now is hard to

4

What?

Open it.

>> No, not that one right now. This one.

The disc contains folders

the first one is 01.10.2009.

It contains one file, 5D89

503.

>> Let's do it this way: a folder dated 050829

>> Yes. And

>> there are three files here: 6 D F 3002.

One moment.

Hello. Hello. Petya.

>> Yes. Hello. Hello. Listen, he left. Did they give you, did they give you

a copy?

>> No, they took mine there. Yesterday I

made a copy. I'll finish it now and bring it over.

>> All right, then take the materials. Tonight

we'll talk by phone, and tomorrow first thing in the morning

we'll get started and do it together. That's

>> Okay, sure.

>> All right then.

>> The girl is here now.

Next file: 8S7F

3003.

>> Hello,

are you there?

>> Yes, go ahead.

I, well, I need to vent right now.

>> Wait a second, sorry, one second,

one second. Hello.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Yes, yes,

>> I'll come in now.

>> Okay. Go on.

What is this I'm reading? It's quite something, of course, but

still

>> there they're taking prices from June, for example,

and early July, and comparing them with today's. There,

of course, you get a difference.

>> Well, when you write it up, just

don't repeat their mistake right away. You

should state clearly where you got those prices from.

>> Well, I'm doing market monitoring. Yes, listen, and

there's also this issue right now again

Groups are quietly calling up clients.

Somehow.

>> We need to wrap this up.

>> So, there are several options, I can...

just call them and curse them out.

>> No, you don't need to do that. Why would you

need to do that? You should just kind of

forbid your people from having any contact with them at all.

Talking to them.

>> Hello,

>> Hello, can you hear me?

Hello.

And the next one is here in folder 9232,

letter A, 003.

>> Yes. Great.

>> Hello, Petya, we got cut off there. I

just want to tell you, there's no need to

call anyone there and start yelling obscenities and

so on. You should just, well,

reduce contact with them, completely forbid

anyone from talking to them, all of them. Well,

it's obvious they're going to keep doing this now.

I mean, they have to

show that they need some kind of sales outlet.

>> That's why they'll keep doing it, but you

shouldn't fall for the provocation. I didn't call

for no reason, I wasn't just calling

to chat it through, because somehow

it seems to me that right now they're kind of

their task is basically to

provoke you into something, you know,

so that you go after them and so on, but

you can just ignore them, that's all.

>> Got it. Did you read it,

>> Read what?

>> Did you read that release?

>> Of course I did.

>> Damn, it's a joke, basically, it's not even,

well, not any kind of proper assessment at all. They just

sat there and talked with that... with Georgievna,

well, with Larisa Gennadyevna and

with Soplev, talked, and wrote it down.

>> What are we even talking about? You just

take it head-on. What we need is to

use every opportunity we have to go point by point,

refuting everything, presenting everything

backed by documents. We need to

cover the whole report if you want, or by sec— no, you

take your own section, okay? Your own

part, and any other part where, if you

see that you have something

to write, then write it. Everything else

I'll handle.

>> Right, understood.

Alright then, of course I'll put something together.

I can, of course, make copies

of the waybills, but why the hell would we need that? It's...

>> No, well, you could make an extract from,

I don't know, maybe the balance sheet or

a bank statement, or something

like that.

>> Alright, alright.

>> Yeah. All okay.

>> Bye.

>> That's all the files in this folder.

Now...

A specific date, and if it's there,

August 6, 2009,

>> Right? There are two, uh, two recordings here. D7528t

3 203.

>> Yes.

>> Listen, does Oplevskaya's daughter no longer work for you?

Not anymore?

>> Well, no, I decided not to continue the contract.

Oh, so you didn't renew her contract?

And when did she officially leave?

When was she officially terminated?

>> Well, I don't remember, I think it was somewhere around

mid-June, if not the beginning of July. Why?

>> Well, she was officially on the books with you,

getting a salary with taxes withheld, all

properly documented, under contract, right, all the

formalities in order, right?

>> Uh-huh. Alright, okay. That's it, bye.

>> Hey, want me to tell you a couple of things about

the way the forestry department is organized

in Kaluga Region?

Just a minute.

>> Which region?

>> Kaluga.

>> Go ahead, tell me.

>> Basically, they had the same kind of mess there, like

in Kaguba. Smaller scale, but the scheme was

the same. A new governor came in,

Artamonov, who basically pulled the region

out of being subsidy-dependent and got it into decent shape.

>> Uh-huh, go on.

>> So, basically, what did they do? They

completely dismantled all that crap.

>> Right.

>> Now there's a structure that

handles forestry work there, well, clearing

the forest, in other words, forest management operations.

>> Right,

>> and two different bodies deal with fires.

The first is EMERCOM (Russia's Ministry of Emergency Situations).

>> Uh-huh. And the second one, basically, all

agricultural producers,

are required, basically, to carry out

fire-prevention work in the fields, well, basically,

fire-prevention measures where fields

meet the forest. And also...

>> Wait, so who pays EMERCOM?

>> The federal budget.

>> Alright, for fires. For fires,

the federal budget pays. And that forestry

enterprise, who pays them?

>> The forestry enterprise is also paid by the budget

for allotments and for forest clearing.

>> No, but you see, our problem is that

we can't...

damn it, not at the outset.

>> So, basically, as for what they consider there

fire-prevention activity,

that's covered by a federal law that

requires all agricultural producers

to plow firebreaks around their fields, to make so-called

mineral strips, that is, 5...

m from the forest toward the field. So,

basically, here’s the thing next: then they

created a second entity that

deals in, uh, timber speculation, that is,

I mean, roughly speaking, the forest, all the

timber, through something like the forestry department

apparently. Basically, every

year in every district they organize

auctions, and

they sell timber at an unrealistically high

price, 600 rubles. But the money goes into the budget.

>> Well,

>> At the same time, the auction works like this. They

lease you exactly that amount of timber.

>> Uh-huh. Uh-huh. To work,

>> because this

regional organization is the one doing the speculation, and the money goes straight

into the budget.

>> No, well, in our case speculation is also handled by

regional organizations, and the money goes into the

budget.

>> And where does the money go?

>> No, I mean, the money does go somewhere. It’s assumed

that it goes into the budget, but we have exactly

the same setup. The speculation is handled by

a regional organization; there are probably

about 40 people there dealing with these

speculative operations, you know, kind of

a small organization, whereas here

3,000 people live off it, you know?

>> That’s the difference. So the scheme

is the one that, I don’t remember, we

talked about—I’ve just started

asking around. It turns out the same crap

exists there too. A small organization that

handles forestry operations

>> and is funded from the budget. And the second one,

which separately deals not with

processing, but only with this

>> sales speculation, yes. They basically sell off the entire

volume, damn it.

>> And so what you get is this kind of mess,

it earns money and then pisses it away,

you know? They don’t invest, nothing,

happens, the money is just

burned through.

>> Uh-huh.

Right, got it. Listen, can you

put this together somehow so that,

there’s something to read about what happened or whatever? Well,

systematize it, ask someone to do it.

>> Well, I’d need to, sort of, do that after

because right now it’s just word of mouth over the phone

for three weeks.

>> Uh-huh.

>> I probably need to go there and talk to

someone.

>> All right,

>> all right. Okay. Maybe in a couple of weeks

we’ll do it.

>> All right, I’ll call you back later then. Okay,

I’ll wait. Uh-huh.

>> And the next file, in lowercase letters,

64702.

>> Hello,

>> Hello. Hey, who called?

>> Did I wake you up? No, I’m calling you

just to say briefly that that’s it, I

showed everything to Seryoga (diminutive of Sergei) there, explained

everything. He was a bit, of course,

saying that SRB there, the whole

turnover is 11 million.

>> Listen, I wanted to ask you,

how do they, the auditors, know everything about

your counterparties, like supply prices and

so on? Because when you place

well, no—first of all, they don’t know all the prices, right,

and second, when you make this

order, you specify the consignee,

>> meaning your clients will get picked up from you.

>> But those clients they’ll pick up there,

don’t they care about losing them?

>> So, some of the clients

there—basically all the clients are

Russian, and right now I want

to move away from the Russian market. So

the only clients of interest there

are for match logs. But with match logs there,

basically, they accept any quantity.

So you can supply this way or that way, and

it can be supplied in different ways.

>> Uh-huh. I got it. All right then. So there

everything is fine with Cherchkov. So we didn’t

convince them there; by Monday it was already bad.

>> Right. And, basically, over there, well, already

some weird stuff has already started at

KAGUP. I brought him this, and they’ve already started

placing bets there on when UKA will go under.

The latest bet is September.

So, well, I kind of,

>> found that amusing too, in a nice way, you know, and they’ve already started

poaching my managers,

basically saying, come on, come work for us.

Damn,

>> we’re, like, doing our own sales business now

there. Well, naturally,

come over with your clients and so on.

>> Right, I see. Such nice, nice

guys.

Right now I think it doesn’t look like it has

long left to live, at least not in this

form.

>> Yeah, by the way, look, did you notice

that, when you were talking about

transportation costs

>> no, on transportation costs there

will be something separate. I’ll write a separate memo

on that.

>> Right, got it. Okay then, let’s do it tomorrow

if there’s time and everything works out with this.

All right, take it easy.

Next folder

10829.

One file, SS 75202.

>> Yes. Onam’s boss.

>> Hello. P. Hey.

No, no.

>> So, well, I explained everything, everything

It’s fine. Tomorrow there’ll be some kind of

official meeting there, and they’re inviting those

auditors,

they’re calling in Arzamas and everyone else. Tomorrow

it’ll be sometime around half past

around 6:30.

>> So, in the evening then.

>> Uh-huh.

>> All right then. Things there are

generally going нормально.

>> So overall everything’s fine, right?

>> So is dinner canceled or not?

For tomorrow.

Well, I can’t say yet. Did you

have some plans for tomorrow?

>> No, no, no. I’m completely

free until Friday.

>> It really, really shouldn’t be canceled,

>> it really shouldn’t be canceled at all, so

that’s that. All right then.

>> All right, let’s talk again tomorrow. Bye.

>> Yeah, okay. I’ll swing by... Uh-huh.

>> All right, bye for now.

>> There are no more files here. The next folder

is next.

11.08.2009.

Two files. A B 90 978EE002.

Yes. Hello. Hey. Hi. Can you

talk? Yes, absolutely. So right now we’re

there, dealing with those guys in the area.

Well, of course, Arzamas

was resisting. They dragged in this nonsense.

That’s Larisa Gennadyevna.

>> Uh-huh.

>> And that auditor, that damn stupid woman,

damn it.

So basically, specifically there,

the only thing is they scheduled for Friday

an additional meeting, because

it’s a matter of principle there, and Ardamas is digging in

and doesn’t want to. He says, “I’ll make

an official apology to VLK,”

>> “if that’s what it takes.” But I think they

there are talking about reduced prices. I mean, I’ve got

three questions there.

Question number one. They claim that out of

two contracts, supposedly 16 contracts

were the ones VLK took from Kirflis,

that were there like that.

Yes. And here we need to make

a breakdown of the contracts by quantity and by

amounts, who brought in whom, and so on.

>> Uh-huh.

>> The second question is the main one, right? That is,

the key issue there was that

Arzamas—the market price, right? I mean,

how exactly was the market price calculated?

They’re all trying to prove that, well,

they were supposedly forced to ship at

a non-market price, much

lower than market prices. I mean,

they brought in some price lists from some

dubious companies, and accordingly I immediately

caught them out: in those price lists they

were taking the maximum price.

Well, here we need to clearly

and convincingly show where

the prices came from.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Yes. And show that

everything there really was at market prices.

And third, this whole issue with

deliveries, right—the delivery cost calculation. Well,

they’re saying that

when they started being pressed on it,

why they were listing 875

rubles, if the market price was 250 rubles,

they started with this whole thing about

delivery, plus loading,

some kind of packaging,

something like that. So

we need to clearly

prepare a calculation showing what exactly

was included and how it all adds up. So, well,

in short, понятно. Basically,

nobody wants to make a decision, because

well, it’s obvious to anyone that they’re

starting to squirm. What price lists from what

companies, right? I mean, the market price

is formed based on agreements; for

this product there are no list prices. It’s

a commodity-traded product; it changes

every day. So there simply cannot be any

price lists in principle.

Accordingly,

all these arguments about price are empty and meaningless

and have no basis, because I show them

the monitoring data, I put together a chart,

because I had the price checked every week,

but they’ll say, “Well, we have

a price list,” and print out some crap

and say they were told that

this way they can prove

that at the same time, from the same

source, they shipped the same semi-finished material to someone

at a higher price,

right, that they sold it to someone else for more, like, well,

plus they’re also claiming that you more or less

threatened them with dismissal and so on,

and that, supposedly, if they didn’t

go along with that price, you’d fire everyone.”

>> That’s complete nonsense.

>> Total nonsense. Anyway, basically they were all

already there, all of them—Larisa

Gennadyevna was sitting there crying. Opolev

also just went off to Chechnya, damn it, with

that idiot.

>> So we just need to

>> To Chechnya, to Chechnya—supposedly he’s negotiating

about supplies of Kirov timber in Chechnya

or something. Opolev left.

Yes, yes, then we just need to

hold another meeting with Belykh on Friday

where we’ll put the final

full stop on it and sort them all out.

Actually, the problem is that

if I’d known what they were going to bring in, I would have

called you in, because

Well, over there, the mood kind of started going that way...

So, they do ship there. Well, and they...

Come by tomorrow, and I’ll tell you everything.

It was interesting. Well, damn, I get it,

in short. I mean, look, regarding

the clients, I mean there are

clients who, who really are, and those...

the contracts I mentioned were Krasny Yakor, ("Red Anchor")

Domostroitel, KMDK, and Volga and Volga.

>> Right, exactly, that’s it.

>> Well, yeah, we just need five, five, five

five clients, that’s all.

>> No, well, you see, they... and I don’t really

know. She’s telling me something like

out of the sixteen contracts, two are

our old ones. So, accordingly, she says,

that’s a lie — I have different data.

We just need to transfer them over

and break it all down into tables, that’s all.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Anyway, right now there’s kind of something going on there

and we need to understand this process, what’s happening there

whether we’re going to fire everyone — that’s kind of a separate

question, whether to get involved in it or not

that’s already a separate

issue for a separate discussion.

>> Uh-huh. Alright then. From me...

>> What, what?

>> What do you need from me?

>> Just something concrete and real. As for

pricing, I’ve already provided the market review. Another

document I won’t be able to provide. Anyway,

come by tomorrow, tomorrow, and for now

we’ll talk it through, come to an agreement,

about what exactly is needed. But for today, that’s it,

well, right now at least, we need to

basically finish them off there once and for all

just so there’s no turning back.

>> Got it. Alright. So, when should I

come over?

>> Yeah, tomorrow. Yes, come in the morning.

Let’s just call and aim for

the first half of the day. Okay.

>> Alright, good.

>> Alright then. Bye for now.

Next, the next file 75

102.

>> Hello,

>> Hello. Listen, did you know he went to

Chechnya?

>> Those are Votinov’s contacts. Yeah, yeah, I

know. Yeah, he went. Right. So, look, they

can’t provide placement for

clients who come here.

They nearly screwed things up completely because of that.

No, well, it’s clear that he made

some contacts in Chechnya, and Okulev, he

you know, is kind of scared, like

he’s looking for a new roof for himself (i.e. protection/backing). So

that’s why he went, but obviously they can’t

ship anything there because

because there...

>> Well, they can ship there, but they

won’t get the money then. And especially if

they can ship in Kirov, you know,

today the whole thing was just stupid. They

started talking about these

deliveries, about having a centralized warehouse

and I said, what the hell, how many

companies does he have — just two, VK only or what?

No, there were more. I said, why did VMK require

a centralized warehouse? She said, well, they

only set the volume. I said, well then

that means with any company that

sets a volume for you, you’d be

forced to haul everything from all over the place

like that.

She said yes. I said, so that means you wouldn’t fulfill

this order for a single large client

properly. Well yes, we would have looked at it,

we would have quoted a different price then.

I said, "What kind of price?

Above market price, or what, by 1,000 rubles?"

Alright, I get it. Listen. So because of that,

anyway, fine, I’ll come with the contracts,

the ones that... Alright then, anyway. No,

don’t bring anything tomorrow. Tomorrow

there’s no need to bring anything. Just

come over, and we’ll go through it and take a look.

Next folder: 120829

1 file 84

SE

203.

>> Hello,

>> Hello, hey. Can you talk?

>> Hi. Yes, I can.

>> So, look, here’s what I’ve got:

basically. Uh, in principle, uh,

here’s the thing. I mean, if, uh, I

draft a letter, right, under the

contract regarding penalties,

>> then I’d have to include — you know, I just

actually calculated it, and I was shocked myself.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Anyway, if I send it over — I’m just finishing it now —

the difference comes out to 20 million rubles.

>> A 20 million difference in what?

>> Well, between

my order.

>> Uh-huh. And that’s versus the shipment.

>> Ah, well then you can charge them a penalty

>> of 5% of that.

>> Yes.

>> Then write that. Basically, just say in the

report that, basically, let’s

settle this now: you’ve put me out by 20 million rubles,

so why should I now...

my prices are absolutely market-based

so what exactly is wrong with my prices?

>> So, look,

>> Uh-huh.

>> Multiply 20 million by 5% and you get 1 million

rubles. I really don’t need that. So. Well, I’m kind of

thinking maybe I should send, uh,

this official letter now, or should I not? Uh-huh.

Uh-huh.

>> Send the letter. And as for making them

compensate for it — that’s a million rubles.

>> Well, yes, the penalty is in the contract.

>> Send it, send it, of course.

>> Well, that's what I think too — I'll send it to them, and then

we'll take it to court, because

they're basically

>> demanding money from me, while not paying up themselves.

>> Yes, yes, yes.

Alright then. Okay. Alright. Bye.

>> Mm-hmm. Bye.

Next folder: 130829.

Two files, the first one is 6 D 18803.

>> Hello,

>> Hello. Hey. Got a minute?

>> Yes.

>> For a comrade-in-arms. Listen, I sent you

something — take a look.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> So, here's the thing. Look, the issue is this. And

want to hear a joke?

>> A letter comes in by fax

>> from the well-known director of a company called

something like Audit.

>> What company?

>> Something like Audit. Audit...

>> a well-known Cypriot company. So anyway,

do you know what they want?

>> Mm-hmm.

>> They want me to provide registration details

and invoices for my clients.

>> Tell them to get lost. Obviously, tell them

to go

to hell. Mm-hmm.

>> They've completely lost it, can you believe it?

>> And what they specifically want is a portion of

the clients — the ones that are, so to speak, currently

absolutely essential.

>> Like, for a number of orders there, some key contacts,

for example, they're messing things up because he

has some kind of arrangement there — he's selling him timber.

>> Right. And on top of that, some people have already

called saying, like, please,

so that they can sell all this crap,

all of it — that's basically it.

>> And over this Crimean Dawn thing, they're looking for contacts

and apparently they're still chasing them down and

have even sent requests. They're heading

>> straight to hell. Anyway,

>> can you imagine, guys, it's just unbelievably brazen

— totally insane. Yeah, definitely

like children.

Alright then.

>> Alright, then I'll look over the letters.

>> Yes. Well, anyway, I've kind of been thinking about it,

about that option.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> The more I think about it, the more I like it.

I spoke to him about it.

>> Mm-hmm. What did he say?

>> Well, he was pretty stunned, of course.

He'll think it over now, and by this evening

he'll say something — or tomorrow morning, more likely.

Right. And, as I see it,

I explained that the choice is this:

either he agrees, or the thing he's being

invited to simply won't happen at all.

>> Mm-hmm. Got it.

>> Alright then,

>> okay.

Alright, agreed.

>> Alright, for now you keep it there in Panda. You

don't bring him in anywhere. What? What?

Say that again.

>> You're not going to Panda, right?

>> No, I'm not.

Alright then, I'll just call you.

>> Okay, bye.

>> Alright then.

>> Bye.

Moving on to the next file: 852D3.

>> Yes. Hello, did Petya call? Yes,

>> yes, he did. Listen, I have a question.

Do you think you'll manage today

to discuss what we talked about

this morning?

>> Well, I hope so.

Mm-hmm.

Well, actually, that was my only

question.

>> Well, I hope I'll be able to. We're going

to those shooting exercises, so I think

I'll bring it up there.

Because, well, the thing is, I've been

walking around thinking about it, and it turns out that

however you look at it, it's the most convenient option. What? What?

Say that again.

>> I'm saying, I've been walking around thinking about it,

turning it over in different ways, and it turns out to be the most

convenient one.

>> Well yes, yes, yes, probably. Well, I

I hope that today

we'll talk it through.

>> Here, I think, we just need

to talk not only about

the principle of it, but also about the different

timeframes for implementing it.

>> We can't drag this out forever.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Well no, of course there

we'll also immediately clarify the key issues there

as well.

>> Right,

alright, I'll call you. Okay. Bye for now.

Next folder: 150829.

One file: 4B22

3004.

Yes. I'm listening.

>> Petrovich.

>> Yes,

>> Pyotr Petrovich called.

>> Yes, Pyotr Petrovich,

>> called me last night. I just wasn't

in range.

>> Ah, I see, Petrovich. Well, look,

next week you may be invited

somewhere, alright? So don't

be thrown off, and basically, that vision

you have of the enterprise, just as well

Talk it through and everything will be fine. Can she

write it?

Well, no need to write it down, since for you

it will all be a surprise. You don’t know any of this,

after all. Ah, well, Espoleto

was suspended yesterday, right.

>> Right.

>> And who was appointed acting in whose place?

>> No one yet.

>> He’s next in line in the hierarchy there, right?

>> What,

>> well, there, by rank, by the hierarchy,

there’s the chief commercial director there

or maybe a deputy will be the one

acting for now.

>> I don’t know. Decided by whoever made the call.

>> Ah, I see.

Alright then, you’ve gone home, as I understand it,

right, Dmitry?

>> Yes, yes. Yes. Well, I’ll call you, actually,

so that if anything comes up, you’ll just

be ready if I call for you, so you’re not surprised.

>> Right, got it, understood everything.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Alright. Thanks, everyone, Pyotrvich. All the best.

Take care.

>> Alright, bye.

>> Next folder: 1908292

first file: 6A8F

602.

Yes, I’m listening.

>> Hi. Can you talk?

>> Yes, I can.

>> So, did you go see anyone, I don’t know,

Cherkhov or someone else?

>> No, I haven’t called anyone yet.

>> Look, basically, the plan was approved.

I went over it there with Belkh and Cherchukh.

That is, basically, there it goes like this:

first, he is removed from his position; second,

this Pyotr Petrovich is appointed.

>> Mm-hmm.

a working group is created, and there’s

a tentative lineup: you, me,

Shcherchkov, Elena Mikhailovna, Belousov from

the Forestry Department, maybe

someone else too, and then, accordingly,

the working group—and specifically you—

put forward a plan of action for the working

group: what exactly it will examine there, what

it will do.

>> And

separately, it also needs to be arranged that

Kirovles order a proper audit at its own

expense, yes, from some reputable

firm like Deloitte or a similar company.

Yes. And accordingly, the working

group would spend some time dealing with all this

and then present its

proposal for reforming the organization and

so on. So, I mean, you had

some kind of preliminary work plan,

after all. The one you, sort of,

showed to Ilya Mikhailovna—so today

you were called about that, text Cherchukov and

go see him today, show him this plan,

>> yes, and ask whether they’ve signed off on

the working group yet or not.

They really should have signed it already; maybe

they already have. Then just

go to Kirovles, plain and simple,

and, I don’t know, kick that

commercial director out of the office, sit down in

that office, and say this is the office for

the working group’s operations.

>> Say that, basically, right now

Navalny will be back and we’ll be sitting

here all day, and we’ll just start with

them there—well, just working in a

very intensive mode.

In short, they need to be pulled out of this.

>> Sorry, what?

>> Well, they need to be pulled through, really,

so they don’t collapse. Yes,

>> yes, yes, yes. We’ll pull them through. Alright.

>> Alright, got it. That’s all.

You’ll come back then.

>> I’ll come back. Well, I’m planning to, or if I

need to move Yulia’s car,

then I’ll come over on the weekend in her car.

>> Ah, okay. So I’m just staying here

for the weekend, so

>> Great. Alright then, then, then

if anything comes up, call, and with this Pyotr

Petrovich, be a bit more proactive there. If

that asshole shows up there, tell him to go

to hell.

>> Mm-hmm.

And if anything happens, call. One more request about that

little house. I warned Tyshlik,

yes, he said he’d take care of everything. Well,

just keep an eye on it there, to make sure they

got it. It’s just that I didn’t know he would

be summoned right on Monday. I, I

told him, but he had no idea about that at all.

>> So he didn’t even know?

>> He had absolutely no idea. Well, and when it comes to

that, didn’t you tell him anything? You didn’t

call him and say that this guy had been

removed? No, no, no, I told him everything. He

was aware of everything except

the little house.

No, well, about the little house, sure—but about the fact that there was

an appointment and everything else,

>> of course, of course, he knew.

>> Alright then, great. The little house is just a

minor detail, but it still needs to be done, since

it was promised.

>> Alright, I understand. Yes, of course.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Alright, bye.

>> Alright then, call if anything comes up. Bye. Yes,

>> bye. Uh-huh, see you.

>> Next file: S27B32.

>> Hello.

>> Hello. Hi.

Yeah, Lesh (short for Alexei), hi. Listen, did my

call get through to you or not?

>> Your call came through, and then I picked up

the phone, but I couldn't hear anything.

>> Ah, strange. That means there was just some kind of

some weird glitch, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Listen, tell me. Actually, I

even wanted to ask not just

about the forest situation, what happened there.

>> About what?

>> Well, the forest. The forest, the children, and so on.

>> Ah, well, nothing really. I mean, I arranged

for them to include him in the working group.

Well, basically, that working

group was created precisely so that he

could be part of it. And then, well, there

the second question is whether he'll also want

or not want him to become his

advisor.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> But today he calls me and says, "So,

basically, Nikita made some edits, and his

working group wasn't included, and instead they included

you." Though it was obvious anyway

that I was supposed to be included.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> He can't be appointed as an advisor or assistant, and they included

him in New Yorda

Massova.

>> Mm-hmm. I said, "Well, I wrote that I am not going to

take part in this bullshit at all."

What is this working group even for?

>> So they can keep making a scandal out of it.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> So I wrote to Cherchukov. He was like, "Well,

>> kind of,

we'll sort it out."

>> Sorry, what?

>> Well, Cherchkov wrote, "We'll probably

figure it out."

>> No, it was more like, "Well, okay,

come on, we'll sort everything out, everyone will

work normally." And so I,

accordingly, later on, when

I started really pressing him on it, he

said, "Well, it's like talking to a deaf

person." I wrote one

text, then two. I said, "Who is going to

work there?" I mean, I wrote: Who will? I said:

"First of all, what is this deception about? What is

this working group for? Who is going to

work in it?"

>> Mm-hmm.

>> And why are they creating it at all? Who is

going to sit there all day in that

damn forestry office? He writes to me: "You..." And I write:

"What the hell is this? Why is there always some petty

deception going on?" But he did reply to me. Well,

I also sent him a couple more

texts.

And that was it, then he went quiet. Today he still

hasn't said anything. So I didn't write anymore.

Well, clearly they're in some kind of dispute there, right,

>> what, what?

>> And then those cousins of his came to visit him there,

they were all sitting around, and I left. I mean, I just

couldn't take it anymore somehow.

>> Some cousins, probably.

>> Well, he has some from St. Petersburg.

You might know them, maybe,

>> but I just can't stand gatherings like that. I mean,

they're nice people, everything is very pleasant, but

I don't know, maybe it's because I was sober and everyone else

was drunk, or maybe just because in general

I just can't

tell you, I can't explain it to you, but it was

just some kind of nightmare. She was say-

ing she was so overloaded. I said, I'm overloaded

thinking about healthcare.

And he says, yeah, what's the matter? I say,

well, you're creating problems for me. But then I thought,

actually, I really am overloaded.

I really did go to that meeting,

and I brought and prepared 10

documents. Ten.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Ten, based on the requests he had made.

And yet our meeting lasted about 5

minutes, because he said, "Yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just leave it, put it down, I'll

read it." I said, "You're not actually going to

read it, let me explain it to you." No, no, I

definitely will read it. The main thing is, he

asks for requests, and then what you

prepare in response to those requests, he doesn't read.

Then later the issue comes up again,

and he says again, "Let's have someone

write another request."

Well, I don't know, I mean, I have some kind of

problem with this. Apparently I just don't know how

to work with this governor, or maybe I just

don't have the ability somehow, I mean,

apparently some people can somehow

draw him in,

get him interested, but I can't. All my

topics and problems and everything

we're dealing with just don't move him at all and don't

interest him in the slightest.

Yeah,

yeah. No, but

the constant lying has really worn me out, damn it.

And on top of that, Stashkov keeps calling me,

saying I should deal with the hotel issue.

>> Just tell him you're not going to deal with it, and

that's it.

>> I just don't answer the phone, that's all. Damn, what

>> Why don't you pick up? Just tell him you're not

going to handle it, that you don't see

any point in it for yourself.

>> No, just tell me, Sasha, Stashkov,

why exactly should I be dealing with this?

Please explain that to me.

And how am I supposed to say that to him? No, why would I

be dealing with hotels? What exactly am I supposed to do, and

what am I supposed to be handling there?

>> Like, negotiate with Lebed so that he

would provide something there, some

hotels for them for free or, well,

basically there's some kind of issue there involving

those small hotels.

>> No? And at the start, Alexei, I mean, you were like...

it's all some kind of absurdity, really. I mean,

whatever it is you're supposed to be doing,

once the person has made up their mind,

it should be clear what they want from you, so that you can be

told what is expected of you and what you'll get

for it.

Put it in writing and have it all properly

signed off on.

That's it. Otherwise, what's the point, Alexei,

for some kid there with...

to be running little errands for no

reason at all?

I mean, it seems to me that he

has to understand that if he wants something from

you, then he has to give you something

in return.

It's just that, because

you yourself aren't really holding that line,

>> No, but you see, I just kind of...

damn, the way it turns out is, there was supposedly

an agreement, I mean, there was

an agreement, everything was fine, like,

I mean, I had an agreement too.

He asked me, said: "Will you be there,

like, can you help with the swans?" I said, "Okay,

sure, I'll help."

So I basically promised, right? But

when he promises something, it apparently doesn't matter, whereas if I

promise something, I have to do it. Anyway,

all of this is just unbelievably

irritating me, really

constant petty lies.

>> But why is he like that? I wonder why he did

that?

>> I don't know. It seems to me, just... really,

I honestly don't know, I don't understand.

I thought maybe there was something there, and then he started telling me

that too. But we never

agreed on that. I said, that's the whole

point of an agreement. I said,

what, am I supposed to go around writing everything

down all the time now? Am I really going to have to record

absolutely everything from now on?

Well, write it down then, sure, and that's that.

>> Damn, I mean, I already made arrangements with this Volgo-

Telecom company,

>> yeah, that they would install three

webcams there for free.

>> Right, and he's already written about that,

>> yes, and he wrote: "I have an agreement

and so on." No, I don't even mind,

please, for God's sake, let them write it. That's

what the agreement was for. But you see,

he screwed me over in the morning, damn it, and then in the evening

he solemnly writes, damn it, fine, let

someone else go, I don't know, one of his favorite

people or whatever, and talk about something

there—if they give even 3 rubles

(a token amount), then at least it's something; otherwise it's free.

And when I told him that—three

cameras—I said, "That seems a bit small-scale,

what kind of project is that, installing three cameras

for free,

damn it, let someone else, I don't know,

come and install half a camera here."

>> Yeah, even half a camera. Exactly. Nobody

else has installed even half a camera.

No, but Alexei, it's like, you know,

I don't know, I mean, somehow,

honestly,

>> I don't know, I just think

this is partly because you

well, I don't know, I mean either

maybe it is possible to agree to some things

if you're acting as an implementer

or as an adviser, yes, you can do certain things,

well, from a certain point to a certain point,

like, go off and perform heroic labors

like Hercules, maybe even

see some arrangement through completely, with something else too, and then

basically forget the rest of it, and for everything else

just say a flat no. No.

Just no. Or if it's yes, then

why is it that you're the one doing everything? I mean,

you somehow need to

draw the line.

Next folder: 20829.

Two files. The first is 680 ES 203.

>> Hello,

>> Hi, Alyosha.

>> Hey there, you old traitor.

>> Oh, so that's how it is, huh?

>> What else am I supposed to call it?

>> We've got a young traitor here too. That's

how it is,

>> Of course. I never betrayed you once, damn it,

but you, damn it, are constantly undermining

me,

>> misrepresenting me.

I'm the one misrepresenting you, damn it? I'll kill you

when I get there.

>> When are you getting here?

>> I will, but I was planning to leave around Wednesday.

I need to move Yulia's car,

so I'll probably head out in her car

on Friday or Saturday.

>> Ah, so you're not here yet. All right then, see you on

Sunday.

>> All right. So what, did something urgent come up there?

>> No, I'm just gathering people right now, and you're not here.

Vitserov.

>> What?

>> Zavirov, I'm saying.

>> Ofitserov? Who's that?

>> Your adviser.

>> All right, okay, okay, I'll meet with him

today at the door. All right, bye.

Yeah.

>> Next file: BF16E

202.

Hello.

>> Hello.

>> Yes,

>> Hey. Can you talk?

>> Hey, yes I can. So,

>> so, did you find out who Ofitserov is?

>> Yes, I recognized it. Uh-huh.

>> Well, I just thought you had called me about those

phones. I completely forgot about them.

>> Right. Well, I met with that Sergey.

>> So what?

>> Right. Well, we talked, and overall everything is

fine; later we'll talk in more detail.

I mean, uh, Petrovich has

become very active there, so

everything is going according to plan.

>> Well, he's sort of moving in the right

direction. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, so far

everything is heading the right way. That is,

actually, it can be done even without

membership in the commission, so

that can kind of be put on

the back burner there. We have three

issues there. Say, will you come on Mon-

day? Will you be there on Monday?

I'll be there on Sunday. And are you going to Moscow

or not?

>> No, I'm staying put. Going? Yes. Well, I'll just take the

car over and come. I'll leave Sunday

morning and arrive Sunday evening.

>> Well, you'll arrive at night, and I'll

talk to you then.

>> We'll talk on Monday. I just

thought that everything, everything, everything is

under control, everything is fine,

so, basically, we can move forward. I mean,

did you discuss the adviser

or assistant position?

>> No, we didn't. We discussed

that commission membership issue. I mean,

he seemed kind of stressed. I just didn't

push it further, because he was saying

something like there simply wasn't

an opportunity. I mean, well...

>> Wait, you're saying he was stressed?

>> No, I mean he was stressed out.

>> Stressed out probably because the broadcast had just

ended. As for the commission,

he said, he explained that, basically, there really

just wasn't any possibility. Well, I was also

immediately surprised, because it turns out

there's a scandal, and one participant in the scandal

joins the commission, while another participant in the

scandal does not.

>> But I had agreed that you would be

on the commission. They didn't include you in the

commission, so I came down on them hard

over that, actually.

>> Well, I understood that, but those are already

more political issues overall. That is,

basically, what we need there is, uh,

still to focus on the bigger

three issues. One issue is the one we

discussed with you, remember, in the square.

>> Uh-huh. Yes, yes. Yes. That's the main

issue; without it, everything else loses

its meaning. And second, the two main issues are

the adviser issue, so that the first one would be easier

for you to handle, and the issue of making sure

that Operev doesn't come back anymore. That's all.

>> Uh-huh. Okay. All right then, I'll

meet you somewhere on Monday,

>> Yes, if we resolve the three issues, everything will be

great. Uh-huh. Good.

>> Uh-huh. All right, say hi to Yulia.

Next folder: 260829.

One file: 535

204.

Hello, Pyotr Petrovich,

>> so, there's nothing specific there on Musitinsk

in particular, because people have only just

gone out into the forest.

>> What? Just the forest?

>> They only just went into the forest. Yes, they did.

>> All right. And what about that logging plot there?

>> Well, we need to go, we need to go. There are logging plots there,

and people are lined up for them. We just need

to go there and sort it out on site—who needs

what.

>> There are plots available.

>> I just don't want it to turn out that

I send people there for nothing. You know,

Kolya Petrovich, here's what I want to do now.

I want to come to you in about

an hour and a half with a few people.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Will you be there?

>> Well, of course I will. Sure.

>> All right then, we'll discuss everything there.

>> Uh-huh. Good.

>> Good.

>> Next folder.

029.2009.

Three files. First: 702

D804.

Good afternoon.

>> Hello.

>> Yes, I'm listening, Petrovich.

>> Yes, yes, yes, I'm listening.

>> Is that you?

>> Yes, yes, yes. It's me.

>> I didn't recognize you at first. So, look,

let's talk this through now,

right now.

So, put the truck in for loading,

yes, but here's what I'm asking. Let's

handle payment for this shipment

by the posts.

Upon shipment.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Hello.

>> One second, I'll step outside.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Hello, Pyotr Petrovich, I've stepped outside.

Can you hear me now?

>> so that we don't get tied up even deeper in accounts receivable

there. Let's finish loading now, and

you pay us immediately. That is, upon

shipment.

>> All right, then afterward I'll just

take all the trucks you have, and

I'll pay right away. What, what?

>> It's just that the Germans don't want, until October,

to sign any contracts. If we...

If we keep the contract, we'll continue working,

and if we don't, then we won't work with anyone

at all.

>> No, well, I'm calling Grazyna now, she

seems confident - she said we'll

work as we should. Hello,

>> I just need to understand what exactly we need to

>> issue you the, well, invoice based on

the actual amount, and we need to be paid.

Well, how much can you do with the trucks?

>> Right now we have one truck ready here and

two more still being worked on. Everything has already

been put on hold.

>> No, well, you just keep doing everything. I'll

settle it based on the actual amount. Agreed?

>> Agreed.

>> Yes. Just look, regarding

the Germans.

>> No, well, regarding the price - that is, deciding

the pricing principle. We're offering a price

of €15.5 based on the actual load.

You're breaking up badly. Where

are you?

>> I'll call you back now.

>> All right.

Next file: 707S304.

>> Hello.

>> Hello.

>> Petrovich, can you hear me?

>> Yes, I can hear you now.

>> Yes, so let's set the price for

these items.

As of today, if you include

all VAT, your price is 25.8,

I've checked. Yes,

>> 24

>> already. It's 24 now, yes.

>> Well, we just need to decide on the price

plain and simple. Today, €11 isn't really

a reasonable price. Maybe at least

€14, if yours is 24.

>> Yes, yes, yes. The last one.

>> Who shouted there?

>> Ah

>> they're shouting there.

>> No, well, here

>> we're sitting in the department, right? Yes,

>> I see.

And €14 per 100,

>> right? Yes, yes.

>> 63

p

5.6.

No, that's not realistic.

>> We simply need the money today.

How much can you offer?

>> Well, I can raise the price, sort of, but then

the price there becomes almost unrealistic. So,

how much, how much - tell me?

>> Well, I can do 2,600

euros

more.

>> Well, how much would that be per post,

then?

Twice as expensive as ours.

>> Well, I don't know, it comes out more expensive there.

>> Ah, but that's

in - what? He there

>> I just need to calculate how much that

could be. 2,600 - right now, at 2,600 from

you, I can take it there, uh, like from

the former partner at 2,700 - that's the maximum,

simply. I can't do more.

>> 2,700, right?

>> Then it's gone there out of the deal.

2,700. So I'll calculate it now. All right,

if it's 2,700, roughly how much do we

get per post there? 5 and 5 posts

at 2,700. All right then, let's settle on this price

for now.

So, we need to send a truck. I'll

give instructions regarding the Kyiv facility now.

Shipping will start today. All right.

You have the specification.

>> Well, that's for the next trucks already. That is,

this truck is going at the old price.

>> Well, Yurovich, why at the old price? Because

>> you've already invoiced this price

already,

right?

>> You have to do it according to the documents.

>> All right, send the truck then, I'll

give the order now so they can start

loading.

>> All right then. And whom should we send?

>> Send what?

>> Well, in general, just give the authorization,

so they can start loading there, so they can start

working too - I'll tell them.

>> The truck, the truck. Send the truck. Send the truck.

Send it.

>> Ah, all right, all right. Let's do that.

>> Where should we send it?

>> Well, it was loaded there before, I think.

>> Mm-hmm. All right, all right.

>> You know the female customs declarant there, right?

>> Yes, all right, agreed.

>> And I'll issue the invoice, the VAT invoice,

>> for payment. You will pay, won't you? All right,

fine.

>> As soon as you ship it, we'll pay immediately.

>> Yes, once it's shipped. Well,

>> that's it.

>> Next file: 93BS3.

>> I understand, yes, but I need to.

>> I'm listening.

Hello. This is Sabina Chvatova

from Del company.

>> Oh, hello, Sabina. Sorry,

it's just that

it really slipped my mind. Now that

you've called, I remembered that I forgot to

call you back.

>> Yes, yes, yes. Yes, sorry. Mm-hmm.

>> Well, I was asked to get in touch with you

regarding the audit. Yes.

>> Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

>> I wanted to ask, um, what the situation is on your side

what there are. Look, I was explaining,

a young man called me; I’m a

governor’s adviser in Kirov

Region. In Kirov Region, there is one

large, dysfunctional enterprise

called Kirovles.

>> Yes, what is going on at that

enterprise? No one really understands

what is happening there. There’s a new governor,

and everything there is rather strange.

Accordingly, the task that was

set before me included

figuring it out. And naturally, the first thing

that came to mind was to conduct, so to speak,

a full comprehensive audit there. But

since I had some

acquaintances at Del Tush (apparently Deloitte), I

got in touch with Del Tush.

>> And naturally, we have one question:

the enterprise is state-funded, the money is public,

so we want to understand,

how much we can afford, and then

order this audit. Well, I don’t know,

if that’s possible, and I’m just not entirely

sure under the current

legislation; as I understand it,

a state enterprise is required

to hold a tender for audit

services.

>> Yes, of course,

>> that’s right. Yes.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Then we can announce a tender, specifying

that we need auditors from the top

three. Something along those lines?

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Well, that is basically all that

I’m prepared to say. To look at the

financial statements to understand what

this is.

Well,

>> Let’s do it this way. You

write to me which documents, well,

the initial ones, I should send you so that

you can tell me how much it would cost,

because, well, I don’t even understand

the rough order of magnitude. Or can you tell me

the ballpark figure?

>> Well, in principle, as a ballpark figure,

yes. Roughly, maybe around

$20,000, yes. How much is that?

>> Well, $20,000 is acceptable

for us. That is, if it costs

say, roughly 1 million

or 1.5 million rubles, that’s fine. If

it costs 5 million rubles, well, probably

this enterprise won’t be able to afford it.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Well, you understand, Kirov

Region is poor. If we pay someone

5 million rubles for an audit, it will look

strange.

>> I see, I see. Mm-hmm.

Well, 20 million is, so to speak, when

everything is extremely simple.

>> You mean 20,000?

>> 20,000, yes, I mean 20 thou-

>> yes, that’s when everything is extremely simple,

and there is a simple balance sheet, yes, in order

to understand how much higher it might be.

I think it will be a bit higher. I’m not

sure it will be much higher. I need

to look at the balance sheet and the profit-and-loss

statements. In principle, I don’t need anything else

beyond that.

As I understand it, this is logging,

right? And

>> it is

called logging and

reforestation work.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Right, so you need the balance sheet, yes?

Which one? The annual one.

>> Well, perhaps, if there is a latest one,

say, a half-year statement as of June 30,

>> the latest balance sheet, yes? And

>> the profit-and-loss statements, that form. So,

the statement of profit and

>> loss. In principle, the annual balance sheet

is accompanied by

an explanatory note. So perhaps

the explanatory note to the latest

annual balance sheet as well, so as to at least understand

what’s what. It contains the basic

information about the enterprise’s activities,

so that explanatory note too.

Well, I think that will be enough.

All right, then I’ll write down your

email address.

>> My surname is complicated. Let me

send it to your phone by text message.

>> Listen, let me dictate my simple

email address to you. All right.

>> So, Navalny, spelled: Nikolai.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Alexei.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Viktoria.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Alexei.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Leonid.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Nikolai. Mm-hmm.

>> And a Y at the end.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> That comes out as Navalny. Well, Y.

>> Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

>> So that comes out as Navalny, right?

>> At gmail.com.

>> GML

>> GM—well, Gmail. One word. Gmail.

>> Gmail. Mm-hmm.

>> Yes, dot com, dot com

there. Well, Google mail.

>> Gmail.com.

>> gmail.com.

All right.

Then let me send you a test

message.

>> Mm-hmm.

I’ll check.

>> Yes, I’m doing it right now. Uh-huh. I’m typing already.

>> Right.

Okay, I’ve sent it.

Just a second.

>> Did I write it correctly? J M A I, yes, all as one

word.

>> Yes, yes.

For some reason, nothing’s come through.

One second.

Something

>> nothing. So something’s wrong. I typed

some random letter. Although, it seems,

>> no, maybe. Yes. Oh, something didn’t

come through. Well, go ahead and send it, try

an SMS, and then I’ll write back to you. Okay.

>> Okay.

>> Alright, agreed. Then tomorrow I’ll

try to send you all of this.

In that case, please just let me know,

give me a rough idea of the price. Well, I don’t know,

in any case, we still need to hold tenders,

right?

>> Yes. Mm-hmm. Yes. For unitary enterprises,

yes.

>> Mm-hmm. Alright then. We’ll decide. Well, I mean

it would probably be wrong,

to handle the audit report. And then somehow

fiddle with this tender. Well then,

we’ll go with whatever was decided. Mm-hmm.

>> Alright, agreed. Okay then, I’ll be

waiting for your text message. Thank you.

>> Yes, thank you. Goodbye.

>> Next folder: 01029

1 file: 5D89503.

>> Yes, great. Hello. Hi. Call me.

>> Yes, I called. Wanted to know what was interesting there,

I mean. Uh,

>> nothing much. I’ve just now been sent

the audit assignment for you.

>> I spoke to them, we’ll apparently do it.

Now we’ll approve the terms of reference there and

hand it over.

Hold on a second. Hey, do you hear me?

>> Ah, so everything seems to be fine. He

said that he had, like, looked into it

and talked it over, and in those, like, it’s clearly

interesting there.

Who did he talk to?

Perkhov spoke with Vaki

and said that Vasya is a decent guy, but

he clearly won’t be able to handle being director.

>> Well, he won’t handle it, yes. I think so too.

>> No, no, he won’t manage. He thinks he won’t

manage it.

>> No, no, not in the format that’s needed,

he won’t manage it.

>> Well, maybe in format two. That is,

>> uh, if it’s the format that you and I

discussed, then yes, he could handle it, if

we’re talking about a director on a broader scale, like

someone like Korolyov, then of course not.

Right. But really, the question here is

this.

Yes, if there are other proposals, then

that’s possible, I’m just saying that he

will be, well, as you yourself know, he’ll

be doing what he’ll be doing. Right. Mm-hmm. So I

think that any person who

fits within the framework of this, well, scheme,

won’t really be suitable, you understand?

Well, that’s my view. I mean, even

if it were me, I wouldn’t be suitable either.

>> Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. So, yes.

>> Well, okay.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Alright, talk later.

>> If anything, I’ll be in Kyiv by the evening.

>> Alright, agreed.

>> Mm-hmm. Bye.

Next folder: 02129

two files: 82

EAB

203.

>> Hi.

>> Hello. Hi. Yes.

>> Yes. So, what’s going on there? What’s happening?

We were just sitting there with Gordeyeva and Shcherchok

also discussing what to do.

Well, you see, there are various

candidates being considered. Like,

Gordeyev says, “The ideal person would be

Ofitserov.”

>> And who was it that said that just now?

>> Gordeyeva. And I think so too, and Cherchkov

thinks so too. I mean, you understand,

things there are really in complete disarray right now. That is,

I mean, Opolev seems to have been removed, but in

practice he’s still sitting there doing something. This Vasya

can’t do anything at all. The losses are

enormous.

Next file: 83292

03.

>> Yes, the connection got cut off.

>> So anyway, things there really are

a complete collapse. Absolutely no one

is managing anything at all.

>> Well yes, they may already be there in a hole, so to speak,

with gigantic losses. Now they don’t want to take timber

on lease anymore. They say,

we’ll work under contract. There’s no justification

for it whatsoever. That is, the forestry enterprises aren’t

obeying. Total

>> Mm-hmm.

>> So, well, they’re already saying:

“Let’s bring Oplivo back,” because

at least he knows something. I say, “Well,

we can’t bring Oplivo back.” Tyshlik, apparently,

is demanding that Opolev be brought back, and

he doesn’t want it any other way. So, like,

Tyshlik is also digging in his heels and demanding that

Opolev be brought back.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Ah, so there, well, I mean, nobody

knows anything. This new guy,

who would be at the head of the department there,

a guy named Ravil. So he, accordingly,

also says something like, "I don’t know, maybe

put Opulev in, because he

because he understands at least something." So

basically, well, there,

he understands something, and I kind of

I also tell him, accordingly, that

he doesn’t understand a damn thing. And they say:

"All right then, who? Vasya supposedly can’t

handle it." That’s already the general

consensus. They say, "Well, let’s

put Officerov in." I say, "But Officerov kind of

doesn’t really want to." I say, "Well,

tell me what to do then."

Well, look, I was thinking maybe, you know, if

I were to sign a contract, but you know, in a way

where it would be, conditionally speaking,

not as CEO, right,

but not as some kind of crisis manager either,

but specifically as a manager for

the transition period, so to speak,

for the reorganization.

Uh-huh. So basically, I’d put it in the contract there

with the department that I work there, well,

under certain conditions, right, meaning

the main one, or one of the main ones,

would be a flexible schedule, so that I

wouldn’t be tied to that chair. And then

we’d spell out what would need to

be done, with the plans written out there. I’d simply

start acting as the implementer of that

plan. Only in that kind of format, like

somewhere between a consultant, you know, and

a CEO.

>> So, something like CEO-level powers

of a general director,

but without the responsibility of a general director. They

won’t agree, you see? What do they actually need?

They’ve got a state function there, a contract, they’ve got

all sorts of meetings there in that

department, I mean, they’ve basically got this kind of

civil service setup

there, so with a flexible schedule they

obviously wouldn’t agree. Well, that’s

the kind of person they want there — they want

an official, basically,

>> Yeah. Anyway, that’s the situation. Uh, you see,

and besides, I’m afraid that

if we appoint you now, all these

those hangers-on there,

the forestry enterprise directors loyal to Opulev, they’ll

start an open war with you there, well

either an open one or some kind of

other kind.

>> And accordingly, some

huge problems start there, and

they dump all of them on you.

>> Well, yes, that’s true. But what about Vasya? Why

don’t they want Vasya?

>> Well, because supposedly he can’t handle it.

Well, I don’t know, that’s the opinion of both Shcherchkov and

this one, and Gordeev, and as I understand it, Rdam too,

that he just can’t handle it there — that he’s decent,

smart, but he can’t manage all of

that there. He’s supposedly not charismatic enough,

so he won’t be able to handle those people.

>> Yeah, that’s true.

Well, basically, you know, one option here is

you could come in on a trial period,

with the condition that for 3 months

they don’t mess with me at all. You know, like

actually, you really could come in for 3 months

and see — there are bound to be some

huge problems. And to hell with it — well, I

turned it down, you see. So we

could sign — you can think about how to handle it —

a contract of this kind, where I’m sort of

agreeing, but on the condition that the term is 3

months, and basically both I and they — I spend 3

months looking at them, and they spend 3 months looking at

me. And that’s fine.

>> Yeah, we need to think about it. Maybe — I keep thinking,

of course, maybe we could do something clever

and appoint both you and that

idiot, Topolev, at the same time, so that he signs all

the unpopular decisions or whatever,

while you run everything

— or would that not work?

>> Well, if he has signing authority, then yes, that’s how it would be.

You know how it could be done? Here’s one way

to do it. Look, conditionally speaking,

I could come in as executive

director,

>> well,

>> and he’d be the general director, right.

>> Uh-huh,

>> let’s say — I’m just throwing out an option,

it’s a terribly shitty option, but it exists.

I come in as executive director, Opulev becomes

general director, and I remove Bastrigina,

and accordingly appoint a finance

director and a commercial director. I don’t

know, Vasya or someone else.

>> There you go.

>> And accordingly, we’d change production there too.

We don’t need Tyk.

Right. And here, you see, what we really need to do is

clearly define what the functions would be,

that is, spell out

the functions of the executive director and

the functions of the general director. And

the general director would specifically be more of a, well,

a ceremonial general director, remember what

we talked about six months ago? Yes.

>> Meaning that the general director would have

representational functions.

>> Uh-huh.

>> You know, like the president in France.

>> Right, got it.

>> So in reality, the charter still needs

to be changed anyway. The charter is being redone already.

>> Uh-huh.

redo it accordingly

just rewrite the charter for this, and basically

reduce the general director’s

number of powers, meaning all those

various bells and whistles, so to speak

They’re signing off on the HR stuff, damn, but still...

The only question is how to make it so that he

you understand, he’s not going to

obey.

I mean, the only way is basically just to

then squeeze everyone out and say, uh,

with you, I mean, you can be friends with top management as much as

you want, but the money still

won’t be given to any of you anyway.

Well, that may actually be an option.

Alright, fine, let’s think about

that. Because honestly, I really

right now we’re kind of there, well, the boss still

has some influence anyway, he’ll be

keeping an eye on it there, especially since

it’s really not them anymore, I’m telling you,

they’re backing out of the state contract for the timber,

they’re saying it’s a state contract. Besides, there

the prosecutor’s office has issued an order regarding this

uh, this big lot,

>> so they won’t have any timber.

Ah, so that means there won’t be 30 million in payroll

there, well, in full.

So basically, in the second one they’ll have to be,

apparently, bankrupted.

>> 30 million.

>> Well, their payroll is 30 million a month

.

>> Well, then they need to be cut back,

just at a rapid pace before the New

Year.

>> Yeah, something like that.

>> We need to fire 1,000 people. I mean,

basically right away, over the course of October.

>> Yeah. Alright. Anyway, I’ve got people sitting here

in the reception area. Let’s think about

these options, how they, how they’re going to

wait.

>> Uh-huh.

>> Next folder: 21129.

One file: 899503.

>> Hello,

>> hello. Hey,

>> hey.

Well, of course, I couldn’t make it with them

to come over. What, what?

>> I’m already on the train. Couldn’t come, already on the

train. And

>> we’re heading out now. Anyway, I’ve got two

pieces of news.

>> Uh-huh.

>> First, I’m leaving. Second, I signed the payment orders.

Yeah. Through March 8. And third, I signed

the penalty notices.

>> Signed everything. Yeah.

>> Yes. For 536,000.

>> Well, that’s great.

So it all got done, then. What?

>> Everything we planned, we did. Yes.

>> Well, looks like yes. So right now I

didn’t manage to take it for myself in time to keep

everyone, and as for that, well, the accountant is already running the office

already.

>> Uh-huh.

>> I’ll sort it out more simply now.

That’s how it is. Right.

>> Excellent. Excellent. Alright, everything’s

okay.

>> What else is there?

>> Nothing,

>> it’s fine. What?

>> Well, I kind of ran into

Cherchok in the cafeteria. And he kind of

asked me, “So what’s going on there?” He

said, “Well, you know, they say they haul water for the offended” (a Russian idiom meaning people take advantage of those who feel slighted).

And then he was like:

“So what, is he going to keep singing that tune or not

?” And I didn’t really give anything definite, neither

yes nor no.

>> Uh-huh. Alright then. Actually, we basically

don’t need any of that anymore.

>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Look, here’s what I want—there’s an idea

like this, right. Look, the group currently

has a problem: there are always issues with the season,

with hauling, meaning, well, they can’t

really get anything under control.

There’s an option. We could buy

tractors based on tanks, a T-355 tank model.

>> They cost around 700 each. I could, roughly speaking,

get them for 800 each.

>> Well

>> So, accordingly, this tractor, well,

it’s actual military equipment, it breaks down

half as often. Well, basically it

lasts longer than, than

civilian equipment. Uh-huh.

>> It’s built differently there and all that. And it can

pull out of any kind of remote

swamp, basically.

>> Uh-huh. So they put special tracks on it

and it can haul 30 cubic meters

through swamps, almost underwater. I’ve

seen it myself.

>> Uh-huh. Well, it probably burns a lot of diesel

though.

>> About the same as a Ural truck, which hauls

a smaller load through the muck.

You’re saying 30 cubic meters of timber on it, and

you haul it,

>> or you load 20 cubic meters—15 cubic meters—

onto a Ural and haul it along the exact same

road. Well, “road” figuratively speaking, right.

There, they sink in. And the Ural

lasts exactly that long there.

>> I mean, basically, the reason I’m saying this is

that it’s almost exactly the same situation.

And accordingly, if you buy, say,

10 of those tank-based machines. Uh-huh.

>> then it would be a great setup. And instead of,

well, spending a million on an auditor,

for 7 million they could buy seven

tanks. Or 10 tanks, for example, and that’s it,

problem solved, and forget about it. I think that, basically, in the

near future, they definitely won’t be buying anything

if this is about

bankruptcy. You understand that there could

be some kind of issue too.

will go bankrupt.

>> Well, I think so. I mean, there

it's unclear what's going on. I think so, yes.

>> Well, because I spoke with the... or rather,

there seems to be some kind of workaround there now,

like the legal department might

allow the use of timber that under the

contract wasn't used before the New Year.

If we didn't mess anything up there,

>> then it turned out that hundreds of millions

could have been received.

>> Well, then it would be possible to talk to Sberbank.

>> I see. All right then, we'll figure it out, basically,

we'll think it over. For now, we need to deal with this situation

first. We'll sort it out later.

>> What are you saying?

>> I mean, let's deal with this situation now,

then we'll move on to the others.

>> Yeah, sort it out. In a way that lets us

come out on top. All right, good luck.

>> All the folders have been listened to.

We continue examining the written

materials of the case. Please, may I also

I would like, exercising my right, to give

some brief additional explanations for the court and

the respected representatives of the prosecution. From

the audio recordings we have heard, which were obtained

illegally, incidentally, the following things emerge

quite clearly. Namely, that

I was not at all aware of any

details regarding prices, counterparties, or other

details of the business operations

of VLK. Otherwise, why would I have requested them

in order to prepare my response to the audit

by Vyatka Academy Audit? And, in fact,

that is exactly what I have repeatedly stated in these

proceedings. These facts are fully

confirmed. Second, it confirms

my sharply negative attitude toward the audit

that was conducted at the company Vetka

Academaudit, which, from my point

of view, was falsified, which was also

confirmed by witness

testimony heard here. It also shows

the existence of a sharp conflict between me and

the leadership of the Property Department

regarding this audit

report, the existence of my conflict with

the management of Kirovles, and my desire to

fire them all, throw them out of their offices, and so

on. This was discussed here quite actively,

as was the appointment of some other

people, and so forth.

Also, the conflict situation

at the regional governor's meeting,

about Bastrykina's tirades, and about my sharply

negative attitude toward Bastrykin, and toward

the auditor, which was also repeatedly

discussed here and reported by witnesses; and about

Kirovles's inability to ensure deliveries

even for local clients, which

was also mentioned here.

It also shows my desire to conduct an independent

audit of Kirovles, negotiations with

the company Delет, and my statement that I did not want

to rig the tender for carrying out the

audit, which also shows that, broadly

speaking, I wanted to conduct an independent

audit of Kirovles by one of the

Big Three auditing firms,

which, you must admit, would be strange for

a person who had just stolen, together with

the company, 16 million rubles (about 16 million RUB), according to the

prosecution's version. Uh,

we heard how the defendant Ofitserov

was bargaining quite fiercely over

prices with the deputy director of the company

Kirovles. And against the backdrop of those conversations,

where they were sorting out prices for poles, VAT,

and loading, simply hearing

any claims about coercion in pricing

is frankly laughable after that. It also

confirms that I used

my contacts with Ofitserov to obtain

information about the real state of Kirov

les. And most importantly, these

recordings show that I never

discussed any financial

arrangements between myself and Ofitserov, or his financial

obligations to me, or my

financial obligations to him, and so

on. And all these negotiations, frankly,

do not sound like negotiations between people

who, as stated in the indictment,

created a criminal group to steal

10,000 cubic meters of timber from the company

Kirovles. Thank you very much.

>> So do you confirm that the voice on the audio recording

is yours? Since we

believe that the audio recordings were obtained

illegally, we believe that these

audio recordings are, uh, made up of

various fragments and edits and so

forth, I can only say that

possibly representatives of the operational

services of the FSB (Federal Security Service) and so on simply

took something out of the entire body of conversations,

edited together conversations of certain people

who seemed to them somehow

criminal. But even these cherry-picked

snippets of conversations confirm only

that they simply destroy the entire narrative

of the prosecution. As for confirming, uh,

or not confirming specifically my

my participation in these negotiations, I

still, since my attitude toward

them, toward these negotiations as

illegal, means I cannot confirm

or deny anything on that score.

>> I see. And are the interlocutors Ofitserov

or someone else?

>> Well, I already said that the conversations

were obtained illegally. They are a compilation and

so on, so I still cannot

comment on that.

>> So your position is simply first to say

that these negotiations of mine indicate

that no,

>> Your Honor, I said that those conversations,

which were read out, despite the fact that

we filed a motion to have

this evidence declared inadmissible, even this

inadmissible, in our view,

evidence, generally speaking, it is not even

clear how or why it was included

as part of the prosecution's evidentiary basis,

because it completely contradicts

the narrative of the charges.

We will continue examining the evidence.

Volume 12, pages 27 to 29, is being announced.

Next.

>> Why is the inspection record next? And

then

>> uh

what? Let's display it.

Next, volume 12, case file pages 207 to 209.

Inspection record.

Inspection of items and documents dated 17

October 2012, Moscow.

The inspection was conducted from 15:40 to 17:15.

By the investigator of the investigative group

Chernykh, in the presence of attesting witnesses (neutral civilian witnesses required in Russian legal procedure) Yankovich

Vitaly Vyacheslavovich, born on 19 February

1992; listed

place of residence: Moscow, Volchavskaya Street,

building 4/3, block 4; and Tarasyan Kharen

Gagikovich, born on 16 May 1992,

address of residence listed as Moscow,

Yunatov Street, building 22, apartment 49.

The following were inspected:

obtained as a result of carrying out

an operational-search measure

in the form of wiretapping telephone conversations, and also

attached during the questioning of

the accused Opolev.

The inspection established the following. Inspected:

a white paper envelope,

containing

an explanatory note and a compact disc.

Expert opinion dated 15 October

2012, No. 2464F,

in criminal case No. 2011/73681,

with the results of the operational-search wiretapping measure and two

signatures. The integrity of the packaging

was not violated. Upon opening, there were found

elements of the original packaging.

An optical disc, on the front side

white in color, bearing the inscription "Declassified"

order No. 3/2532 17712

and registration No. 309s dated 8 June

2010,

containing files as well as folder 040210

with the name specified. Also inspected was a new optical disc:

CD-R, serial No. CD R401/1829.

Nine.

On the said disc there is an inscription made in

black ink. The inscription reads: "Declassified"

order also No. 3/2532

dated 17 July 2012, No. 267

Op. When this disc was opened,

14 folders were found.

1.10.2009 2009

2 October 2009

060829

10829

11829 120829

13082009

158200982009

260829

containing files. During the inspection of folder

4040210

and files, and folder 01129,

of a specified size, there were identified

files

which, without any alterations,

were copied onto an optical CD-R disc,

serial No. D3119

R2901384L.

Also examined was an employment contract dated 15

April 2009 between the employer,

an aviation company, and the employee

Buram, appointed to the position of

commercial director of the aviation

company, for a term of 2 months, until

10 June 2009, signed on behalf of

Bura and VLK General Director Ofitserov. After

the inspection of the item and

document, namely the optical disc,

it was packaged in a white paper

envelope, sealed with the seal for evidence packets

of the Seventh Main Investigative

Directorate of the Investigative Committee

of the Russian Federation, provided with

an explanatory inscription, and secured

by the signatures of the investigator and the attesting witnesses. Also

packaged was the optical disc, serial No.

D3119

PA29013854H

copy, packaged in an envelope, also provided with

the seal for evidence packets of the Seventh Main

Investigative Directorate of the Investigative

Committee of the Russian Federation, provided with

an explanatory inscription and secured

by the signatures of the attesting witnesses and the investigator.

The contract was inspected.

It was attached to the record of questioning of the accused

Opolev dated 16 October of that year.

It is contained in the case materials. During and upon

completion of the inspection record, comments

from the participating persons were not received. The record

was signed by them and also by the investigator.

And case file pages 210 to 211: order on the

appointment of a comprehensive phonoscopic

forensic examination dated 24 August

2011, city of Moscow.

By the investigator for particularly important cases of the

investigative department of the directorate for

the investigation of particularly important cases involving

crimes against state authority and in the sphere of

the economy, of the Main Investigative

Directorate of the Investigative Committee

of the Russian Federation, by Akhmetov. Based on

the review of the materials of

criminal case No. 2011/7136811,

it was ordered that a comprehensive

phonoscopic forensic examination be appointed.

the conduct of which is to be assigned to the senior

expert of the department of forensic audio

investigations of the directorate for the organization

of forensic expert activities

of the Main Directorate of Criminalistics

of the Investigative Committee of the Russian

Federation, Maria Ivanovna Khomicheva, as well as

to the senior expert of the department

of forensic audio examinations of the same

directorate, Olesya Nikolaevna Ignatova

to the senior expe expert of the department

of forensic audio examinations of the same

department

Ekaterina Andreevna Grebennikova, and

to the senior expert of the department of phonoscopic

examinations of the same department

Denis Gennadyevich Kolesnichenko. The following were put before

the experts:

Question 1: establish the verbatim content

of the conversations, the digital recordings of which

are contained in files recorded on

the working layers submitted for

expert examination on two optical

CD-R discs. The disc with factory

serial number CDR A80 AG SCR39805

and the disc with factory serial number

CDR80M3307

0724

Question 2. Are the utterances presented

for expert examination, made by the

participants in the conversation, suitable for identifying

the participants in the conversation by the voice of the sounding

speech? Question 3. Do the

voice and speech being examined in the audio recordings submitted for

expert examination

of the conversations belong to Navalny and Ofitserov? sample

reference samples available, which were submitted for

examination. Question 4: are there any

signs of editing or other alterations

made during the recording process or after its

completion, in the audio recordings submitted for expert

examination of the conversations? At the

experts' disposal were provided

a copy of this order, a copy

of the record of inspection and listening to

the audio recording dated August 8, 2012

Two optical CD-R discs,

uh, with factory serial number, the first being

CDR80 AG SCR 39805, as well as a disc with

factory serial number CDR80M

3307 0724, packed in one paper envelope

free voice and speech samples of Navalny

and Ofitserov, submitted on a disc in the format

DVD-R, No. 54a4

The experts were advised of their rights and duties

provided for in Article 57

of the Criminal Procedure Code

of the Russian Federation; they were warned

of criminal liability pursuant to

Article 307 for knowingly false conclusions

the order having been signed by investigator

Akhmetov

>> A recess is declared in today's hearing until

10:45; we will continue after that

everyone stand

>> They have gone through

Thirteenth

of the department as well

>> Thirteenth.

>> Thirteenth.

From volume one.

In due course, a request

to the deputy head of the directorate for

the investigation of crimes against

state authority and in the economic sphere

to Vasilyev

from the head of the directorate

for the organization of expert activities

of the Main Directorate of Criminalistics

Masheev, stating that

the expert opinion dated October 15

2012, No. 24664f, is being forwarded

in criminal case No. 20113 06811

and it is indicated that in the appendices

to the expert opinion, the date under the

stated number is given on thirty sheets

appendix to the said opinion on

twenty sheets; appendix No. 2

on twenty-four sheets; No. 3 on 27

appendix No. 4 on twenty-four

sheets; appendix No. 5 on three

sheets; the expert opinion itself on six

sheets, 157 sheets in total, packed in

one paper envelope; seven experts

also delivered are three optical discs

packed in three paper envelopes,

sealed with the experts' signatures.

Directly

from page 2 through 158

of the case file.

So, the forensic audio examination report.

On page two, the signatures of

Fomichyova, Ignatova, Kolesnichenko, and

Grebennikova, according to which

and

in accordance with Article 199

of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation, the rights and

responsibility of an expert provided for

by Article 57

of the Criminal Procedure Code

of the Russian Federation were explained; they were informed of

liability for giving a knowingly false

opinion under Article 307

of the Criminal Code of Russia. They

were warned.

The examination was conducted during the period from August 27

August

2012 to October 15, 2012.

senior expert of the department of forensic audio

examinations of the directorate for the organization

of forensic expert activities

of the Main Directorate of Criminalistics

of the Investigative Committee of the Russian

Federation, having higher

education, senior expert, with work experience in

the field of forensic audio analysis of 20 years

senior expert of the department of forensic audio

examinations of the same directorate

...natova, who has a higher education degree

senior expert work in the field of

forensic phonoscopic analysis for 7 years, senior

expert of the phonoscopic examinations department

of this same directorate

Kolesnichenko, who has a higher education degree

senior expert with work experience in the field of

forensic phonoscopy for 4 years, and senior

expert of the phonoscopic department

of this same directorate

Grebelnikova has a higher education degree

senior expert work in the field of

forensic phonoscopic analysis for 3 years. On the basis of

the order appointing the examination dated 24

August 2012 by investigator

named Akhmetov, based on the materials of criminal

case No. 2011 ro736811

conducted a forensic phonoscopic

examination. Submitted for examination were

the order appointing

this examination, a copy of the record

of inspection and listening to the audio recording dated 8

August 2012, and two optical

CD-R discs with factory serial

numbers. The first: CDR80 IG

SCR 39805

and the second disc with factory serial

number CDR80307

0724, packed in a single paper envelope.

Also submitted were free

voice samples of Navalny and Ofitserov

submitted on a disc in DVD format

No. 54A4

and on 27 September 2012

the following were submitted for examination

additional voice and speech samples

of Ofitserov. The experts were asked

the following questions: to establish the verbatim

content of the conversations, the digital audio

recordings of which are contained in the file

recorded on the working layers

of the two optical discs submitted for expert examination

in CD format with

the above-mentioned numbers; whether

the utterances submitted for expert examination

of the participants in the conversation are suitable for

identifying the participants in the conversation by

voice and sounding speech; whether the voice

and sounding speech in the submitted

audio recordings submitted for expert examination

of the conversations belong to Navalny and Ofitserov; whether the samples

of oral speech that were submitted for

examination contain any signs of editing or

other changes introduced during the process of

recording or after its completion

in the materials submitted for expert

examination, namely the audio recordings of the conversations

From the description of the materials it follows that

the materials were received in sealed packaging

bearing stamped seals; the packaging

was in the form of a paper envelope bearing an imprint

of a round blue seal with the text

Federal Security Service

Directorate for Kirov Region, for

packages No. 1. On the front side there is

handwritten text with the results of operational-search measures

and also a blue seal with the text

Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation

Main Investigative Directorate, for

packages No. 7

On the flap there is handwritten text

criminal case No. 2011/713 06811 112

CD-R compact discs with audio recordings

of telephone conversations obtained

by an FSB officer in Kirov Region

during operational-search measures in relation to

Navalny and Ofitserov, bearing the signatures

of attesting witnesses and three illegible signatures,

made

in blue ink.

Two

optical discs were removed from these packages. For convenience,

they were designated by the experts as disc 1 and disc

2. The first disc bears the inscription

Declassified, order No. 3/2532

17/07/12, registration No. 309

S 0806 10, made in black and blue ink

respectively.

The disc has serial number CDR 80N3307.

No mechanical damage was found.

The second disc.

Also contains handwritten text.

Declassified, order No. 3/2532

dated 17 July 2012, No. 267S.

Contains holographic markings,

has

its own serial number as well: CDR80 IG SCR

39805.

What was used? In resolving the questions posed

questions

a standard workstation was used,

and there were used

standard

hardware and software tools, application software

an expert system for forensic

identification of speakers from phonograms

of oral speech, Phanexi, and special

software for

forensic examination of the binary

structure of files of digital

audio and video recordings, Dumps.

Package No. 3 also contained

a paper envelope submitted

with handwritten text, uh, containing

the handwritten text: voice and speech samples

of Ofitserov on a CD-R disc

Philips, criminal case No. 2011/7168

submitted by investigator Alexei, and one

illegible signature. This disc also

was removed from the indicated packaging. There are

on

the disc, along the center hole, the digits

and letters LH3117

and Gin 1108 55 7228D1.

On the side of the working surface, along

the center hole, there is also

the number R80 CWHT

1056 9025.

When identifying the objects of the examination

by the experts

for

convenience

the speakers' voices were designated as M1,

M and G.

So, 7che 74

go on, go on

go on, go on.

somewhere around 140, apparently

appendix.

Okay, guys, no, I can't see it.

From page fifty-two of the report.

Page fifty-two of the report.

Look at the secon-

fifty-second. Rea- go on

go on. Yes, yes, yes. Carefully.

So, well, based on the results

of the examination conducted, the following were made

the following conclusions.

>> Case file sheet

twenty-seven, reverse side.

The conclusions contain the following.

A verbatim record of the conversations,

recorded on the audio recordings,

stored on the disc with factory

serial number CDR80G

STR3985

and the disc with factory serial number

CDR80М33070724

is presented in Appendix No. 1 to

this report. The utterances of the persons

recorded on the audio recording located

on disc No. 267 in folder 011029 with the aud-

58903

designated in the established transcript of the phonogram

as suitable for conducting

identification examinations by voice

and speech based on a limited group of features due to

background noise.

M1 is suitable for conducting

identification examinations by voice

and speech. The utterances of the persons were recorded on

the phonogram located on disc No. 267

in folder 0209 929, audio file 93BTs

3003, designated in the established text

of the phonogram as MZh, also suitable for

conducting identification examinations by

voice and speech. The utterance was recorded on

the phonogram located on disc No. 267

in folder 02092009 in the audio file

702d804

designated in the established text

of the phonogram as 1m21, suitable for

conducting identification

examinations by voice and speech based on

a limited group of features due to

insufficient duration and lexical

representativeness. M2 is suitable for

conducting identification

examinations by voice and speech. The utterances

of the persons are recorded on the phonogram,

located on disc No. 267 in folder

020929 in audio file 707304

designated in the established text

of the phonogram as M1M2, suitable for

conducting identification

examinations by voice and speech. The utterances

of the persons were recorded on the phonogram

located on disc 267 in folder 0210129

in audio file 82003

designated in the established text

of the phonogram as 1m

suitable for conducting

identification examinations by voice

and speech based on a limited group of features

due to insufficient, insufficient

duration and lexical

representativeness. M1 is unsuitable for

conducting identification

examinations by voice and speech due to

short duration and

lack of representativeness.

The utterance of the person was recorded on

the phonogram located on the specified disc

in folder 0210129 in audio file 8329203

designated in the established text

of the phonogram as and M1M, suitable for

conducting identification

examinations by voice and speech. M1 is also