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Thank you.

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Please be seated.

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The court session is open to the public.

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The court continues hearing the case against

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Navalny and Ofitserov. At the court session,

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the parties have appeared; the composition of the court has not

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changed.

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So, at the previous court session

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we concluded with the defense filing

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a motion to have

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the evidence declared inadmissible. At the present

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court session, the position of

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the prosecution on the filed

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motion will be heard, after which the court will retire to the deliberation

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room and make a decision. Please.

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Your Honor, having studied the defense motion of

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May 21, 2013, seeking to have

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the evidence in the case declared inadmissible,

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we believe it is not subject to

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being granted for the following reasons.

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The order on the submission of

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the Results of Operational-Search

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activities to the investigator, dated June 13, 2011,

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and the report of the operative officer on

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the execution of the investigator's instruction for

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conducting operational-search measures

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were prepared in accordance with the requirements

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of Federal Law of August 12,

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1995, No. 144-FZ, On Operational-Search Activities,

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and in

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accordance with paragraph 10 of the

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Instruction on the Procedure for Submitting

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the Results of Operational-Search

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Activities to an inquiry officer, body of inquiry,

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investigator, prosecutor, or court. Contrary to

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the arguments set out in the defense motion,

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the order on the submission of

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the results of operational-search

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activities dated June 13, 2011, and

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the report of the operative officer of the FSB of Russia

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for Kirov Region, Mashkovtsev,

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were submitted on the basis of the relevant

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instruction of the investigator of the Investigative

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Directorate of the Investigative Committee for

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Kirov Region, Sosnin. The said

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documents contain all the necessary

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details, including a registration

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number and the date of issuance,

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as well as information about the established

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circumstances,

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are signed by authorized officials

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and constitute reports on

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the results of operational-search

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activities. Responses were received from

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the mobile operators MTS, Kirov branch,

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the Ural branch of MegaFon, as well

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as the Kirov branch of Intel(?). Contrary to

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the arguments stated in the motion, they also

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comply with the form established by law

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and were obtained pursuant to requests

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sent by the investigator on the basis of the

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decision of the Leninsky District Court of the city of

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Kirov dated June 21, 2011. The attachments examined

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at the court session to

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the responses of the said communications operators,

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in the form of CD discs, have

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individual identifying features in the form of

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specific numbers, are properly

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packaged, supplied with explanatory

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notes and the seals of the relevant

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operators. The said information was reflected

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in the record of their inspection

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by the investigator dated August 2, 2011,

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conducted in the presence of attesting witnesses. During

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the inspection, it was established that

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the integrity of the envelopes containing the CDs

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containing information on the telephone

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connections of subscribers Navalny

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and Ofitserov, including those received

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from VympelCom, had not been broken; the seals

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were intact and showed no damage, that is,

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they complied with the requirements of Part 3 of

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Article 186.1

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of the Criminal Procedure Code

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of the Russian Federation. During the inspection and

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upon its completion, no comments or statements from

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the participating persons were made. Thus,

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we believe that

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it is necessary to deny

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the defense motion of May 21, 2013

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to have the evidence in the case

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declared inadmissible, and to continue consideration of

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the criminal case on the merits. I ask that the written

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objection to the said motion be

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added to the materials of the criminal case.

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Pet

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>> I fully support Prosecutor Bogdanov's position

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and that of my colleague; our position

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here is unified.

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>> The court is retiring for deliberation to render a decision

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on the motion filed. The decision will be

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announced today at 9:25.

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>> Ruling of May 29, 2013, city of

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Kirov. The Leninsky District Court of the city of

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Kirov, presided over by Judge Blinov,

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with the participation of the state prosecutors,

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the head of the department of state

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prosecution and appeals of the Prosecutor's Office

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of Kirov Region, Bogdanov, and prosecutor

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of the department of state prosecution

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and appeals of the Prosecutor's Office of Kirov Region,

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Cheremesinov; defendant Navalny,

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his defense counsel, attorneys Mikhailova and Kobzov;

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defendant Ofitserov and his defense counsel,

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attorneys Dani and Davydova; with secretary

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Koshinov, examined in an open court session

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the materials of the criminal case against

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Alexei Navalny

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Anatolyevich, accused of committing

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an offense предусмотренное by Part 3 of

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Article 33 and Part 4 of

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Article 160 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation; Pyotr Yuriyevich Ofitserov,

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accused of committing an offense

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provided for by Part 5 of Article 33

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and Part 4 of Article 160 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation;

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has established that during the court session

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defense counsel for the defendants, Mikhailova, Kobzov,

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and Davydova filed a motion to have

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inadmissible evidence

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the order on the submission of the results

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of operational-search activity to the investigator dated June 13, 2011

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the report of the senior operative officer of the Economic Security Directorate of the Federal Security Service Directorate

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for Kirov Region, Senior Lieutenant

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Mashkovtsev, dated June 13, 2011, and the request for

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the provision of information on subscriber

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numbers belonging to Navalny, to the officer

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of VOMTS, the reply from OJSC MTS, and the request for

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the provision of information on subscriber

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numbers belonging to Navalny

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to the officer at the Kirov branch of MegaFon

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the MegaFon reply, the request for the provision of

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information on subscriber numbers,

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belonging to Navalny, to the officer

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the VimpelCom reply, the VimpelCom response, and the record

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of the inspection of items and documents dated August 2,

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2011, on the grounds that

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the order on the submission of

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the results of operational-search activity and the report of June 13, 2011

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were obtained in violation of the federal

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law on operational-search

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activity and the instruction on the procedure for

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submission

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of the results of operational-search

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activity. Accordingly, the evidence obtained

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on the basis of these documents, and the other

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evidence set out, are

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inadmissible. In addition, the defense lawyers

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point out that the responses of the mobile

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operators do not contain all

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the necessary data, or contain

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contradictory information, which raises

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doubts as to their reliability. The defendants

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supported the motion filed.

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The state prosecutors objected:

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"They opposed granting the motions filed,

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stating that there had been no violation

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of the requirements of the law in the collection and

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preservation of evidence. Having heard

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the parties’ views and examined the materials

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of the criminal case relating to the motion

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filed, the court finds that the motion is not

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subject to being granted."

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The order on the submission of the results

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of operational-search activity to the investigator dated June 13, 2011, and

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the report of the authorized officer on the execution

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of the investigator’s instruction to carry out operational-search measures

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were drawn up in accordance with the requirements

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of Federal Law No. 144-FZ of

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August 12, 1995, on

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operational-search activity, and paragraph

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10 of the Instruction on the Procedure for

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Submitting the Results of Operational-Search Activity

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to an inquirer, an inquiry body, an investigator,

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a prosecutor, or a court, approved by the joint order of

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the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, the FSB of Russia, the Federal Protective Service of Russia, the Federal Customs Service of Russia,

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the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia, the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia, the Federal Drug Control Service of Russia,

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and the Ministry of Defense of Russia, dated April 17,

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2007, No.

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368/15/164/481/32/184/97/

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147. Contrary to the arguments of the defense,

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the order on the submission of the results

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of operational-search activity dated June 13, 2011, and the report

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of the senior operative officer of the FSB of Russia for

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Kirov Region, Mashkovtsev, dated June 13,

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2011, were submitted on the basis of

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the relevant instruction of the investigator

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of the Investigative Committee for Kirov Region, Sosnin

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The said documents contain the necessary

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details, including the registration

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number, the date of issuance, and information on

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the established

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circumstances, and, being signed

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by authorized officials,

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constitute reports on the results of

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operational-search activity.

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The requirements set out in the said federal

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law and the instruction as to form and content

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and the procedure for submitting the results of

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operational-search activity to the investigator

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were complied with. There are no obstacles to verifying

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the reliability of the information set out in the said

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materials. The responses

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were received from the mobile operators

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MTS, the Kirov branch of the Ural

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branch of OJSC MegaFon, and the Kirov branch

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of OJSC VimpelCom. Contrary to the arguments set out in the motion,

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they also comply

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with the requirements established by Part

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3 of Article 186.1 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation and were

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obtained pursuant to the investigator’s requests

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made within his competence

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and sent on the basis of the rulings of

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the Leninsky District Court of the city of Kirov

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dated June 21, 2011. The responses contain

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the necessary information allowing

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the submitted

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information to be identified and contain no contradictions

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The attachments to the responses of the said

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mobile operators in the form of CD discs

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have identifying features in

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the form of specific numbers, were properly

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packaged and supplied

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with explanatory notes and seals

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of the relevant operators, which was reflected

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in the record of their inspection

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by the investigator on August 2, 2011,

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conducted with attesting witnesses in full

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compliance with the requirements of Part 5

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of Article 186.1 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation. During

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the inspection, it was established that

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the integrity of the envelopes containing the CD discs

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with information on the telephone

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connections of the subscribers had not been compromised.

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The seals were undamaged, that is,

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this complied with the requirements of Article 186

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1 of the Criminal Procedure Code. During the inspection and upon its

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completion, no comments or statements were made by

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the participating persons. Thus,

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the documents and evidence

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which the defense seeks to have declared inadmissible

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fully comply

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with the requirements of current

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legislation, contain the necessary

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details, are duly certified,

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and were issued by the proper procedural

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officials. There are no grounds for granting

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There is no motion. Based on the foregoing,

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guided by Article 256 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation,

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the court ruled to deny the motion

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of defense attorneys Mikhailov and Kobzev

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and Davydov to declare inadmissible

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as evidence the ruling

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on the submission of the results

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to the investigator dated June 13, 2011

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the report of an operative officer of the FSB Directorate for

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the Kirov Region, Senior Lieutenant

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Mashkovtsev, dated June 13, 2011; the request for

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the provision of information on subscriber

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numbers belonging to Navalny; the officer's

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mobile communications unit response; the request for

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the provision of information on subscriber

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numbers belonging to Navalny; the officer's

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request to the Kirov branch of MegaFon; the response

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from MegaFon; the request for the provision of

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information on subscriber numbers

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belonging to Navalny; the officers' request to

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VimpelCom; the response from VimpelCom; the record

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of inspection of items and documents dated August 2

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2011. The ruling has been

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signed. Please be seated.

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>> The consideration of the criminal case continues.

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I report that at the court hearing

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the previously unexamined

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witness Knyazev has appeared.

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Witness Baranov did not appear at the court hearing,

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and the prosecution

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um, stated that it would present

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the necessary evidence of proper

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notification of Razamassov

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regarding the need to appear in court

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or that he

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has in fact absconded and is on

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an international wanted list. Therefore, the court

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proposes

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to consider the issue of the further order

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for the court's examination of the case materials,

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please.

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In connection with the appearance of the prosecution witness, we

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propose changing the previously proposed

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order of examining the evidence and

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to question witness Knyazev at this hearing

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and, of course, resolve the issue regarding the witnesses

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Baranov and Raz...

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>> Two what?

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>> Your opinion?

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>> The defense's opinion on changing the order of

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the examination

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of evidence, please. Defendant

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Ofitserov, your opinion?

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>> No objection.

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>> No objection. Defense attorney Mikhailov?

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>> No...

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>> Defense attorney Davydov?

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>> No objection.

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>> Navalny?

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>> No objection.

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>> Defense attorney?

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>> Defense attorney Kobelev: no objection.

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The court grants the change in order and

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invites witness

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Knyazev into the courtroom. What?

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Good afternoon.

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>> Good afternoon. Please state your name.

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>> Vladimir Matveyevich Knyazev.

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>> When and where were you born?

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>> June 30, 1968, in the town of Belaya Kholunitsa

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in Kirov Region, Russia.

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>> What is your nationality/ethnicity?

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>> Russian. Citizenship

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of Russia.

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>> Russia.

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>> Your education?

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>> Higher education.

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>> Marital status?

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>> Married.

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>> Where do you work, and in what position?

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>> Uh, I work at UK Leskhoz as the head

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of the Belaya Kholunitsa division.

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>> At what address are you registered,

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and where do you live?

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>> Belaya Kholunitsa, Sovetskaya Street,

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67.

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>> And you are registered and reside there?

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>> Yes.

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>> You have been called to court to be questioned as

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a witness. I am explaining to you your

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civic duty and obligation to tell everything

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you know about the case. At the same time,

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I explain that you have the right to refuse

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to testify against yourself,

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your spouse, or other close

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relatives. If you agree to testify,

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I warn you that your testimony may

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be used as evidence

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in the case, including

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in the event of your subsequent

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retraction of that testimony. You also have the right

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to testify in your native language or

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a language you speak, to use the assistance

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of an interpreter, to challenge

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that interpreter, to make motions and

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to file complaints about the actions,

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inaction, or decisions of the court, to appear for

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questioning with a lawyer, and to request

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the application of security measures if

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necessary. In addition, I explain to you the

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liability предусмотренную

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by the Criminal Code for unjustified

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refusal to testify and for giving

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knowingly false testimony.

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Liability for this is provided for

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by Articles 308 and 307 of the Russian

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Federation. Are your rights and

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liability clear to you?

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>> Yes,

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>> yes, clear. Please sign to acknowledge this.

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Please approach the clerk.

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>> Tell me, do you have any grounds

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for refusing to testify?

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>> No.

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>> Please answer the prosecutor's questions first,

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then the defense's.

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>> Vladimir Matveyevich, please explain,

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>> whether you know the defendants Ofitserov and

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...va?

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Well, the only thing is that I’ve heard of

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them, but I don’t know them personally.

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>> I see. Do you currently bear any

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hostility toward them?

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>> No.

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>> Please explain where you worked in 2009

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...?

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>> In 2009, I worked

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at the Belaya Kholunitsa timber enterprise branch of KOGUP

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Kirovles.

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>> Who was your immediate supervisor?

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>> One moment. In what capacity did you work there

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?

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>> Director

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Vyacheslav Nikolaevich Opolev.

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Please explain. In 2009, was the managed

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enterprise, the Belaya Kholunitsa branch,

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vested with the right

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to independently search for counterparties for

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selling its forestry products, and was it granted

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the authority to set prices for

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the forestry products it sold

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by product range?

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The right to search for

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counterparties was granted, but all contracts

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were concluded subject to approval by the head

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office in Kirov. Prices were approved

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by Vyacheslav Nikolaevich Opolev.

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How exactly was the approval of

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prices carried out? Could you explain in more detail?

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>> Were there minimum or

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maximum prices?

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>> Minimum prices did exist,

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naturally, I mean, let’s say

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they were approved as minimums,

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>> that is, minimum prices were approved annually.

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Those minimum prices, yes. But in any

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case, when preparing

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to conclude a contract, whatever the price may have been,

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that is, regardless of what it was, it

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still had to be approved at the

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head office,

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that is, in the commercial and economic

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departments.

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>> Are you familiar with the company Vyatka Forest

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Company LLC?

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>> Yes.

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>> Where did you first hear about it?

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>> Well, probably at the head office.

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>> About the fact that contracts had been concluded with this

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company. The head office of

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KOGUP Kirovles.

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>> Yes, KOGUP Kirovles.

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>> When and under what circumstances did this

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take place, as far as you remember,

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and were any meetings held in connection with it?

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Uh,

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>> well, I can’t say specifically. That is,

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there were some meetings, uh,

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at which, perhaps, the name of this

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company was mentioned.

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That’s all. Well, I probably can’t say

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anything more specific.

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>> Mm-hmm. Did your enterprise directly

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interact with that company?

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Uh

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>> Our enterprise did not interact with it.

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Uh, as far as I remember, we had

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only one single

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delivery

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of poles; that is, there was

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an order to prepare this product

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in a small volume. There, well, if memory serves,

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about 30 cubic meters.

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Who placed the order?

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From KOGUP Kirovles.

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>> So in any case, we received, as it were,

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instructions from KOGUP Kirovles.

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>> So am I correct in understanding that

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KOGUP Kirovles and the Vyatka Forest Company

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had some kind of contractual relationship?

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>> Uh, I can’t confirm that, because I received

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the instructions

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from Vyacheslav Nikolaevich Opolev of

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KOGUP Kirovles.

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>> And specifically, what did Opolev determine regarding the shipment?

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The assortment, volume, price,

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or something else? The commercial department provided us

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with a specification according to which

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we had both the specification and the deadlines by

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which the products had to be prepared.

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We fulfilled it.

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That’s all.

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>> This type of specification—was it

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provided in relation to some

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specific enterprise, or was it

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drawn up for some specific

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period of time,

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that is, for a month, for a week,

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specifically with respect to that

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counterparty? Uh, since we had

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just this one single delivery of this

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material, I can’t really go any further

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in somehow

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explaining it, so to speak. That is, we

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specifically received it,

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we were told that it had to be completed by

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a certain deadline. Right now

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I can’t say what it was anymore either. We

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completed it, the shipment went out, and that was it.

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for the delivered products. As far as you

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know, did the forest company pay

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Kirovles for it?

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Well, apparently it did pay. As far as I can remember,

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I have the impression that

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payment was made. That is,

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>> on time or late?

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>> I can’t say anything about that.

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>> Apart from your enterprise, were shipments to

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VLC made by any other branches?

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As far as I know,

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>> I can’t say anything about that either.

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>> You explained that poles were shipped

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to VLC. Had the enterprise previously shipped this kind of

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product to any

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counterparties?

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>> No.

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The Ukholokholunitsky forestry enterprise had

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the necessary production

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capacity to manufacture

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enough?

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>> There was no need to add any

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production capacity. That is, well, the actual

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manufacturing process required additional

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operations. That is, there was preparation, there was

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sorting by diameter, and preparation there

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it was necessary to debark

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those logs. Right. But it did not require any

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additional production facilities

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of that kind.

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>> I see. How was

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the delivery of the poles to the final

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recipient handled? Were they picked up?

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>> I do not know how, so to speak, the loading

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onto the Euro truck took place, and that is all.

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That is, we issued the waybills from the town of

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Belokhnits. Beloynits.

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>> The transport belonged to which organization?

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Who provided it?

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>> As for the questions you were unable

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to answer—what is the reason? Is it due to

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the passage of time?

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Well, probably because of how long ago the events were,

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basically, so to speak, once we received

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the instruction to ship, our

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forestry enterprise fulfilled the requirements of KOGUP

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Kirovles.

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So, at that time, well,

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we were probably given information

19:17

about which vehicle was being loaded, how

19:18

we were to ship it, and how to prepare the documents.

19:21

That is, we did all of that.

19:22

>> I see. Did the director of the Vyatka Forest

19:23

Company ever introduce himself to you

19:25

at any point?

19:26

>> No.

19:28

So you do not know who it was?

19:32

>> Well, I heard it was Ofitserov.

19:39

>> And in general, do you know anything about the circumstances of concluding

19:40

the contract with VLK?

19:44

>> No.

19:46

>> Have you been questioned in connection with this criminal

19:48

case?

19:53

Apparently not, because, well,

19:55

so to speak

19:57

>> No, or not

19:58

>> No.

20:03

>> Your Honor, given that the list

20:05

of essentially clarifying questions, including

20:07

those for the prosecution witness,

20:09

has been exhausted, there are a number

20:12

of contradictions between the testimony he gave

20:14

in this court hearing and

20:16

the testimony the witness

20:17

gave during the preliminary

20:19

investigation, specifically regarding

20:20

the circumstances of his acquaintance,

20:22

his initial acquaintance with the timber company,

20:24

that is, the circumstances of the meeting held

20:26

at KOGUP Kirovles, as well as

20:29

the circumstances of payment for

20:32

the timber products supplied.

20:34

Therefore, we move for the reading into the record

20:36

of his testimony from the preliminary

20:38

investigation stage. This is volume twenty-four,

20:39

pages 114–117 of the case file.

20:42

And, in addition, it is necessary to present

20:44

the interview record to the witness himself for review,

20:46

since he claims that

20:48

in the context of this case he was not

20:49

questioned.

20:52

114, 100, 117

20:56

in the part concerning the excerpts about the meeting and

20:58

the payments

21:00

the opinion of the state

21:03

the defense's objection has been stated further

21:05

proved.

21:07

>> Who will begin on your side?

21:10

Our position has not changed; it

21:13

remains the same. We consider

21:14

it inadmissible to read out the witness's testimony.

21:16

First, until

21:18

the questioning of the witness by both

21:21

parties has been completed, because the defense also

21:23

has a number of questions for the witness, a number

21:25

of questions for the witness. And, uh, until the questioning

21:30

has been carried out, the testimony cannot

21:31

be read out. Moreover, as for the

21:33

contradictions the prosecution

21:36

is referring to, I have the testimony of this

21:38

witness in front of me. I do not see any

21:41

major contradictions that could not

21:42

be resolved through his

21:44

questioning. So in that respect as well,

21:45

reading out the testimony is also

21:46

inappropriate.

21:48

The defendant Ofitserov's position: I think the

21:51

prosecution simply needs to ask more

21:53

questions, formulate them more precisely,

21:55

because there are no major

21:57

contradictions. I think the witnesses will answer

21:59

all the questions.

22:03

The defendant's position.

22:05

>> I support defense counsel

22:08

Davydova's objection, and I also have before me

22:11

the interview record. And I can see that just as

22:13

at the time of questioning the witness remembered little,

22:16

so too now; and what he does

22:18

remember is not at all in

22:20

contradiction with what he is saying

22:21

now. Overall, I do not object to

22:24

the reading out of his written testimony, but

22:26

I ask that this be done after our questioning.

22:28

Thank you.

22:32

Yes, I support that and believe that even before

22:35

the testimony is read out, if such a decision is made,

22:37

it is necessary to determine which testimony

22:39

will be read out. Especially if

22:41

the witness says that he did not give any

22:43

testimony. These circumstances must be

22:45

clarified.

22:47

Clearly, I support the defense

22:51

the defense.

22:53

>> The court has heard the parties.

23:28

The court has received a motion from the prosecution.

23:31

A motion to read out the witness's testimony

23:34

given during the preliminary investigation

23:36

due to significant

23:37

contradictions. Witness, you are being shown

23:39

the interview record on pages

23:41

114–117 of the case file. You have just stated that

23:44

you did give some testimony. Please

23:45

look and tell us whether these are your signatures

23:48

on the record. The signature is mine.

23:52

>> So were you questioned or not?

23:55

I was questioned once, but I don't know.

23:58

Right now I simply can't say

24:00

which case it was in. That is,

24:01

>> you don't remember which case it was, but this

24:03

record,

24:04

>> well, it does bear my signature.

24:07

>> Look at the other pages

24:09

>> as well

24:12

the signatures

24:13

>> are yours.

24:15

If I may, a question to the witness specifically about

24:17

the record?

24:18

>> About the record, please. Tell us,

24:20

please, witness, do you remember where

24:27

the FSB building is?

24:30

>> So, do you remember or not?

24:31

>> One moment. Which building?

24:34

>> On Lenin Street.

24:35

>> And in what city?

24:37

>> The city of Kirov.

24:40

>> Can you give an example, yes?

24:44

>> Well, only what I have just seen

24:46

in the record. It's from 2011.

24:49

To clarify the question: you were questioned once,

24:52

questioned,

24:53

>> yes,

24:54

>> and at the FSB office on Lenin Street,

24:56

correct?

24:57

>> Well, yes, if I'm not mistaken.

25:00

Well,

25:05

the prosecution will read it out.

25:06

Here in the record it says that

25:07

the witness was questioned

25:09

>> and on these issues as well, another

25:12

>> after the testimony given by the witness is read out,

25:14

during the preliminary investigation, there will be

25:15

questions. Volume twenty-four,

25:17

excuse me, case file pages 114

25:21

to 117, record of the questioning of witness Gennady

25:24

Vladimir Matveyevich, dated June 28, 2011,

25:27

questioned in the town of Belaya

25:30

Kholunitsa by an investigator of the Slobodskoy

25:31

Interdistrict Investigative Department

25:32

of the Investigative Directorate of the Investigative

25:33

Committee for Kirov Region, Captain of Justice

25:35

Kras... that is, was questioned in

25:38

office No. 309 during the period from

25:40

10:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.

25:47

...with significant...

25:50

contradictions

25:55

of the case file

25:57

116

26:00

Investigator's question:

26:03

Did the supplies from VLK generate income for the forestry enterprise?

26:06

If not, for what reasons? Answer

26:08

of the witness: The contract for the supply of poles, as well

26:10

as other products supplied by

26:12

Vyatka Timber Company, was supposed to

26:14

bring income to the Belokholunitsky

26:16

forestry enterprise. However, LLC "Vyatka Timber

26:18

Company" did not fully pay for the supplied

26:20

products. At present

26:22

I cannot state the exact amount of the debt

26:23

at this time, but I am ready to provide

26:25

a separate document on the amount of the debt,"

26:27

owed by LLC "Vyatka Timber

26:29

Company." Your Honor, the question from the other side

26:31

was whether the contract

26:32

with VLK and VLK's supplies brought any

26:35

profit to this forestry enterprise, which

26:37

the witness headed. The question was of a different

26:39

kind. So, perhaps you should speak one at a time

26:41

after all. And

26:43

>> if the prosecution is in fact

26:45

speaking of some contradictions, then

26:47

presumably, besides whether

26:50

VLK paid for the supplied products,

26:52

the questions should have been formulated

26:54

as they are set out in the record. And

26:55

it turns out that the prosecution

26:57

does not even bother to properly

26:58

formulate the question. Yet you

26:59

grant the motion to read out

27:01

this testimony. I ask you to take note of

27:03

the objection, please.

27:05

>> Your Honor, we object, because

27:07

it was asked, and among other things it was stated

27:09

in the motion to read it out, in connection with

27:10

a contradiction specifically regarding the amount

27:12

of the debt, because the witness, as we

27:13

heard from the testimony that was read out, explained

27:15

that for the supplied products there was

27:18

a debt owed by VK to the forestry enterprise, including

27:20

to the forestry enterprise. Whereas during

27:22

this questioning he explained that such

27:24

debt did not exist. I have heard the parties.

27:26

Indeed, such a question was asked

27:28

to the investigator, including as to whether

27:30

payment had been made by VLK, and

27:33

also whether there had been any delay, whether

27:35

payment had been made on time, whether there was

27:37

any debt; there are contradictions,

27:40

the testimony is to be read out.

27:42

>> Also page 117 of the case file, in the part concerning

27:45

the meeting that was held. The question was

27:48

from the investigator: were meetings held

27:49

of forestry enterprise directors regarding the work of LLC

27:51

Vyatka Timber Company? Witness's answer:

27:53

When one meeting was held, at it

27:55

I and the other forestry enterprise directors were

27:57

introduced to the director of LLC Vyatka Timber

27:59

Company, Ofitserov. It was also announced

28:01

that LLC VLK would be the new partner

28:03

of KOGUP (a regional state-owned enterprise), with which

28:05

contracts for the supply of products had already been concluded. Any

28:07

specific issues were not

28:09

discussed at the meeting.

28:12

>> Vladimir Nikolaevich, please explain.

28:14

>> One moment. There was another inconsistency. You

28:15

asked whether you were aware of

28:19

whether a contract had been concluded between the KSUE

28:21

and VLK. That was also addressed. Was testimony

28:23

given on that?

28:25

>> There is information on page

28:29

116 of the case file.

28:32

In 2009, the Belaya Kholunitsa forestry enterprise

28:34

supplied products to

28:36

Vyazka Timber Company. In particular, under

28:37

centralized supply contract

28:39

No. 1/29, concluded between KGUP

28:41

Kirovles and Vyazka Timber Company.

28:44

On August 5, 2009, there was a delivery of

28:47

poles. There were also two deliveries of

28:49

spruce-fir pulpwood

28:51

on June 26, 2009, and July 4,

28:55

2009. However, there are no supply contracts for this

28:58

product at the Belaya Kholunitsa forestry enterprise

29:00

on file. Under supply contract

29:03

1/2009, poles were supplied in the volume of

29:06

29.2

29:08

cubic meters for a total of 68,643

29:11

rubles and 50 kopecks. The assortment, price,

29:13

and delivery сроки were established by

29:15

KGUP Kirovles. The poles were manufactured in

29:17

the town of Belaya Kholunitsa. And the shipment of

29:19

the poles is not reflected.

29:22

Where were the poles manufactured, and how were they

29:23

delivered? If there is no inconsistency,

29:26

then what are we talking about?

29:26

>> Shall we read out the same thing five times,

29:28

to remind the witness?

29:29

>> The witness has answered. All right, we are finished

29:33

with that. Please ask questions regarding the

29:35

inconsistency.

29:36

>> Vladimir Alexeyevich, please explain,

29:37

please, based on your interview,

29:39

the place where it was conducted was the town of

29:42

Belaya Kholunitsa. And you were questioned by

29:45

an investigator, apparently an investigator

29:47

from the Investigative Committee,

29:50

is that correct?

29:53

Well, apparently yes, that is,

29:54

I suppose so.

29:55

>> Just a question from the defense. You answered that

29:57

the questioning took place in the FSB building in

29:59

the Kirov Region on Lenin Street. Well,

30:01

>> Are you perhaps confusing the circumstances and the interviews?

30:04

>> Well, that is why I initially

30:05

answered no, because what stayed in my memory

30:07

was one particular interview. Most likely,

30:09

that may have been in connection with some

30:10

other matter, well, the questioning was done differently,

30:13

so,

30:14

>> So, in other words, you confirm that

30:16

you were indeed questioned specifically

30:18

in Belaya Kholunitsa by an investigator of the

30:19

regional Investigative Committee,

30:20

>> correct?

30:22

>> Uh, based on the testimony that was read out, the

30:24

inconsistencies because of which it was

30:26

read out—you confirm that in

30:28

fact that is how it was. That is,

30:29

your answers to the investigator’s questions were

30:32

more truthful and accurate than your present answers in

30:34

this court hearing. I remind you, you were questioned

30:37

in 2011.

30:39

Well, basically, uh, what

30:43

I said today, I also

30:45

did not really see any difference from that

30:48

testimony; it was just a little more

30:50

detailed there, yes. That is, I remember

30:52

attending, for example, a meeting. I do not

30:55

remember—you asked whether the officer was

30:57

introduced to me personally, as it were,

30:59

that is, he was not introduced to me personally.

31:01

That is, at the meeting they may have

31:02

mentioned it.

31:05

That is entirely possible. Well, that was 4 years

31:07

ago.

31:07

>> As for the settlement with VLK,

31:10

>> As for the settlement with VLK, uh, regarding

31:13

the products delivered, there was

31:16

a debt; it did arise,

31:21

let us say, a current operating debt,

31:24

but I cannot say for certain now

31:26

whether it remained outstanding for the entire

31:28

period or whether it was settled.

31:31

Regarding the circumstances of concluding the contract

31:32

between Probov Rapres and, in particular, regarding

31:35

the interview, we clearly stated the number of this

31:37

contract: 01/29.

31:40

It is being shown to you.

31:41

>> Well then, apparently this contract

31:43

must have been available at the time.

31:44

>> That is, according to the plea agreement

31:49

thank you.

31:54

Does the prosecution have any questions, Your

31:57

Honor?

31:57

>> No, Your Honor. Does the party have any

31:59

further questions?

32:02

Please tell us, witness, whether the

32:04

price for the timber products that

32:07

your forestry enterprise supplied to LK, in particular

32:10

the price for those timber products,

32:12

was in line with the market average?

32:16

Uh,

32:16

>> Given that we had only one

32:18

one-time delivery of this product and,

32:21

let us say, in the preceding period and

32:23

in the subsequent periods we had no similar contracts

32:25

and no similar deliveries.

32:27

I cannot economically assess it now.

32:28

That is, at that time

32:33

there were no losses

32:35

from carrying out this particular

32:37

delivery, but as to how

32:39

it was, so to speak,

32:43

justified by the market, I cannot speak

32:45

to that now.

32:46

>> So you cannot say anything about the prices?

32:47

?

32:48

>> No.

32:49

Please tell us, witness, after all,

32:52

how many times were you questioned as a

32:54

witness specifically regarding those circumstances,

32:56

which you are now explaining to the court

32:58

and to the parties in these proceedings?

33:04

>> Well, it turns out there was only one.

33:07

>> Well, then please decide after all where this

33:09

where this only interview took place: in

33:11

your, uh, town of Belaya Kholunitsa or, after all,

33:14

in the city of Kirov on Lenin Street?

33:17

Well, after they showed me

33:20

the documents, it reminded me, basically, as it were,

33:21

yes, the conversation in, well, let's say, the questioning

33:24

took place in Belaya Kholunitsa.

33:27

And

33:27

>> Please tell us, after

33:30

your interview was conducted, were you given

33:32

the record to read?

33:34

>> Yes, I signed it.

33:36

>> Mm-hmm. Did you read the introductory part of the record,

33:38

where the place of the interview is indicated?

33:42

>> Well, I don't remember now.

33:45

Tell me, is it possible that you did not pay attention

33:47

to that part of the record and simply did not

33:48

read it?

33:51

>> The part about where the interview was conducted,

33:53

>> yes? The place, time,

33:56

date?

33:57

>> Well, I don't think so. Well, I mean, no,

33:59

naturally I paid attention to it.

34:04

>> Please tell us, can you recall

34:07

what volume of timber products was supplied

34:10

to VLK?

34:14

Well, as far as I remember,

34:16

I only remember one, this one

34:18

delivery of these poles

34:22

from our forestry enterprise,

34:24

I don't remember. That is, just now there was talk

34:27

about the delivery of pulpwood.

34:30

I can't really say that with

34:32

certainty, because I simply do not

34:33

remember the details,

34:36

And regarding this delivery you are

34:38

talking about, did your forestry enterprise bear

34:41

the transportation costs?

34:50

Again, I can't say for certain, but

34:53

I do not recall that. That is,

34:55

a truck would arrive for loading, so

34:57

we bore the costs of loading

35:01

that truck itself. As for transportation costs, I

35:03

can't say right now. That would require

35:05

checking the documents.

35:11

Your Honor, I have a motion in connection with

35:13

the witness's testimony.

35:17

>> Due to contradictions in the witness's testimony

35:19

given in the present court hearing

35:20

and during

35:22

the preliminary investigation, I ask

35:23

that the record of the witness interview in volume

35:26

24, pages 114-117, specifically on page

35:31

116 of the case file, and the part of the interview record

35:34

concerning transportation costs and

35:38

market prices for the supplied

35:39

timber products, be read into the record,

35:43

since, in my view, these parts contain

35:44

a material contradiction.

35:48

No objection.

35:50

I support defense counsel.

35:52

>> I support it.

35:53

>> Defense counsel's position.

35:54

>> I support it.

35:55

>> Defense counsel Pozdnyakov's position.

35:56

>> Defense counsel Khobil's position.

35:58

>> I support it.

35:58

>> The prosecution's position.

36:00

>> I leave it to the court's discretion.

36:05

Granted.

36:06

>> The defense's motion.

36:09

The record of the witness interview is being read out

36:13

from the preliminary investigation, on

36:15

page 116 of the case file.

36:37

Which paragraph?

36:41

>> I'll tell you in a moment.

36:46

Investigator's question: Did the price for the supply of

36:48

products to VMLK correspond to the average

36:51

market price? Witness's answer.

36:53

Go on.

36:57

One moment.

37:00

Ah, and the paragraph begins: 'Under supply contract

37:03

No. 129.'

37:05

Ah, poles were supplied in a volume of 29

37:09

m³. The last sentence of that

37:13

paragraph.

37:20

To the investigator's question whether the price of the supplied goods corresponded

37:21

— Your Honor, there are

37:24

two passages I ask to be read out here.

37:26

So, the first is the question

37:29

about the average market price, let's do that,

37:30

>> and the next one concerns transportation

37:33

costs. The paragraph begins: 'Under supply contract

37:34

No. 1/29.'

37:36

Thank you.

37:44

Record of the interview of witness Knyazev

37:46

Vladimir Matveyevich, volume 24, pages 114-117.

37:51

A portion of the testimony dated June 28, 2011, is being read out

37:54

from page 116 of the case file.

38:04

The poles were manufactured in the town of Belaya

38:06

Kholunitsa. The poles were also shipped

38:07

from the town of Belaya Kholunitsa. Delivery

38:10

was carried out either by transport belonging to LLC

38:12

Vyatka Timber Company or by transport of

38:14

Kogubkerovles. Information about this should

38:16

be contained in the waybills. The Belaya Kholunitsa

38:18

forestry enterprise did not bear the transportation costs.

38:21

Next, the investigator's question.

38:24

Did the price for the products supplied to

38:25

LLC VLK correspond to the average market price? Answer

38:28

of the witness: As for the supply of poles, I

38:31

cannot answer that question, because

38:32

I do not know the market value of this

38:34

product. As for the supply of pulpwood,

38:36

the price of the supplied products was not

38:38

lower than the minimum price for

38:39

timber products that had been approved

38:41

for 2009.

38:44

Please tell us, witness,

38:49

the testimony of yours that I have just read out,

38:50

your testimony,

38:52

in the part concerning the prices of timber products,

38:56

and in the part concerning transportation

38:58

costs,

39:00

they correspond to the facts.

39:05

Well, I think I’ve basically already answered this question,

39:07

more or less, by saying that the rates

39:10

for the poles, well, you essentially stated them, that is,

39:12

it’s practically the same thing.

39:15

>> No, in the testimony you gave during

39:17

the pre-trial investigation, you said that

39:18

this price corresponded to the minimum, that is,

39:20

it was not lower than—was lower than the average market, I

39:23

mean to clarify, the price was not lower than, uh,

39:27

the established minimum.

39:30

Well, as far as I understood, this was

39:32

said with regard to the loading balance,

39:34

not the poles, but specifically the balance,

39:37

>> Yes, I was probably proceeding

39:39

precisely from those prices that had been

39:41

set somehow.

39:44

>> Regarding transportation costs,

39:46

does your testimony correspond

39:47

to the facts? Uh, just as I said,

39:50

I don’t remember exactly now, but

39:52

the testimony, apparently, was then

39:54

based on the documents presented, that is,

39:57

they were on hand, accordingly, so,

39:58

they do correspond, well, in a sense

40:00

>> more precise information about the testimony.

40:04

>> No further questions.

40:07

Ah, good afternoon. Please tell me, what

40:09

are poles? Uh, please explain in more detail,

40:12

because the question arises, well, what

40:13

exactly poles are, more specifically, that is,

40:16

what kind of product is this? To install

40:18

cables. Uh,

40:23

we received a specification, and there,

40:26

there were

40:28

certain lengths, if memory serves me right,

40:31

I think they were 8–9

40:34

>> uh, and 11 meters—something like those lengths.

40:37

Right. Then also, necessarily, by the top-end

40:39

and butt-end parts, the required diameters

40:41

had to be sorted, that is,

40:43

so that they matched the specification, so to speak. And,

40:46

uh, this product had to be

40:49

debarked, that is, the bark had to be removed and

40:53

any protruding

40:56

bits cut off. And please tell me, do I understand correctly

40:58

that in fact

41:02

poles, yes, are almost no different

41:05

from sawlog blanks,

41:07

except for the length and the fact that the bark is not removed

41:09

there. But otherwise, basically, it’s the same

41:11

log

41:13

selected to specification.

41:16

Basically, yes. As I already said,

41:19

it was necessary here to carry out

41:21

several additional operations, that is,

41:23

for an ordinary log, corresponding sorting

41:26

additional

41:28

so

41:30

>> by diameters, by lengths, and to carry out

41:33

the work of removing the bark.

41:35

>> Mm-hmm. And when you supplied sawlogs, did you

41:38

never sort them to order?

41:42

>> By diameter? Well, apparently,

41:45

there were individual orders, but in general,

41:47

that’s how we tried to work. They took

41:50

all volumes from us. So, do I understand correctly

41:52

that poles actually differ

41:53

by two operations. The first operation is

41:55

uh,

41:58

>> sorting by length, and the second, as it were,

42:00

well, is bark removal,

42:02

>> right?

42:03

>> So that’s all

42:03

>> the main things, yes.

42:04

>> And was the bark removed with special tools, or just there

42:07

with an axe? Uh,

42:08

>> at that time it was done manually.

42:10

>> Well, with axes, yes. Yes, and, well,

42:12

they used chainsaws

42:14

with certain attachments in order

42:15

to make the work easier.

42:18

>> I see. And do you know where these

42:21

poles were shipped?

42:24

>> Well, was this a Russian order or

42:26

for abroad?

42:27

>> Uh, I think it was for export, but I don’t have exact

42:30

information.

42:31

>> Mm-hmm. All right. And a question about prices. Where did your

42:34

minimum prices come from?

42:39

The minimum prices were approved

42:41

by General Director Upol Vyacheslav

42:42

Nikolaevich, based on market prices

42:47

in the given region.

42:48

>> And where did they come from? That is, was there some kind of

42:51

algorithm? That is, did you

42:53

send calculated prices to Kagub, and if

42:55

they were minimum, they would either approve them for you

42:57

or not approve them, correct?

43:08

Not exactly like that. That is,

43:10

there was, so to speak, a minimum market

43:13

price.

43:14

>> And it was this same minimum price that we, so to speak,

43:16

agreed on. If we had any,

43:18

let’s say, deviations from the prices, then

43:20

we had to, let’s put it this way,

43:23

justify them, but only in those

43:25

cases. Were there ever cases when, so to speak,

43:27

you were told that this price, for this kind of

43:29

product, needed to be made lower, yes, because

43:31

of, uh—or on the contrary, that he would raise the price

43:33

for you

43:34

>> above your minimum?

43:36

>> No. Uh, as for a lower price,

43:40

>> that never happened.

43:41

>> So Kagub accepted your recommended price

43:43

or even raised it.

43:44

>> Yes.

43:45

>> Mm-hmm. All right. And one more question: you

43:49

said that what the prosecution read out showed

43:52

that the contract with Vyka was

43:55

beneficial for the forestry enterprise, but if all

43:59

the money for your products had gone to your

44:01

account, correct? Do you confirm

44:03

the testimony that was read out by the prosecution?

44:10

>> Well, I didn’t say it that specifically. I

44:13

was speaking specifically about this product,

44:16

the one that was supplied, which in these

44:17

the poles, that, uh, it was not

44:21

below cost, so it

44:24

was produced at a profit.

44:26

>> When they read it out, they believed that

44:28

these deliveries would have been profitable if

44:30

the money had come in.

44:34

>> Well, that is exactly what was meant, that

44:36

we operated, uh, profitably, uh,

44:39

the issue of payment remained, perhaps

44:41

there was some delay in payment. Well, I

44:43

mean that, well,

44:44

>> Well, that is, if the work had continued

44:48

then you would have received, well, a profit,

44:50

correct?

44:54

>> Theoretically, yes?

44:54

>> Mm-hmm. All right. Now a question. How

44:57

could you monitor the receipt of money from

45:00

VLK into KAGUP's account?

45:06

>> Personally, I could not. So in that way you could not

45:09

know for certain, yes, whether

45:11

money for your products was coming into

45:13

KAGUP's account.

45:18

>> Well, as of today, yes. That is,

45:19

>> But at that time could you know

45:22

At that time, all of our

45:25

reconciliations of settlements were carried out by the parent enterprise

45:28

with KAGUP, and our accounting department always

45:30

could.

45:31

>> Could you know for certain that the money for

45:34

your products had arrived in KAGUP's account? Not

45:36

that it came to you from KAGUP, but that VLK sent it

45:39

to KAGUP specifically for your poles and

45:42

then KAGUP sent it to you, or did you simply know all this

45:45

from KAGUP's accountant?

45:48

>> No, that was according to our accountant.

45:50

Belo

45:51

>> And where did he get the information?

45:52

>> He was already working with the parent enterprise.

45:55

>> Well, from KAGUP's accountant, because he

45:56

did not have access.

45:57

>> From the reconciliation statements

45:58

>> He did not have access to the systems,

45:59

correct?

46:01

>> Probably, yes?

46:03

So if I say that you could not know for certain

46:05

for which products

46:09

the money was coming in, and when, and in what

46:10

amount, as to KAGUP, then that

46:12

would be true,

46:17

>> yes?

46:18

>> Mm-hmm. That's all, thank you.

46:20

>> You're welcome,

46:21

>> Lazir Matveyevich, let us still

46:23

clarify,

46:25

>> who questioned you and when. Are you often

46:27

questioned by the FSB (Federal Security Service) or the Investigative

46:29

Committee?

46:30

>> No.

46:39

the regional FSB office, by FSB officers

46:42

of the FSB. Then it turned out that you were

46:44

questioned in the town of Belaya Kholunitsa. Well,

46:46

it is hard to confuse, right, the FSB in Kirov and

46:50

the police or the Investigative Committee in Belaya

46:51

Kholunitsa. How many times were you questioned?

46:57

Well,

46:59

from, from what follows from my testimony

47:01

today, that I

47:03

simply forgot the moment of the

47:08

questioning in Belaya Kholunitsa, it turns out that

47:10

there were two. That is, there was questioning in Kirov,

47:13

but, as I say, I attributed it to this

47:15

case, or rather, did not attribute it

47:17

at first I said, as it were, that no, I had not been

47:19

questioned, then

47:22

I decided that that questioning was connected with

47:24

your case.

47:26

So it turns out it was twice.

47:27

>> So you were questioned twice. Once

47:29

at the FSB in Kirov, once at the

47:30

Investigative Committee in Belaya Kholunitsa. You

47:32

simply forgot the second one. Please tell us,

47:34

at the FSB, were you asked about this

47:37

case?

47:39

As far as I am now trying

47:42

to somehow recall those past times,

47:45

most likely, probably, it

47:47

concerned a somewhat different case.

47:49

>> Was the name Navalny mentioned there?

47:51

>> Well, probably yes. The name Navalny

47:53

was mentioned.

47:53

>> Although I also cannot say that for certain now.

47:54

>> Please tell us, and the officers of the

47:56

FSB

47:56

>> No, no, I beg your pardon. No.

48:00

Not the name Navalny.

48:04

I am recalling there, well, something completely

48:06

different was at issue.

48:08

>> Vladimir Matveyevich, if the FSB officers

48:10

made you sign a non-disclosure undertaking or something, you

48:12

can tell the court about it, and it

48:13

will simply drop the question.

48:14

>> No, no, nothing like that happened.

48:17

>> So, to be clear, at the FSB you were not forced

48:19

to give testimony?

48:21

>> No.

48:22

And you were not pressured, not asked to give

48:23

testimony specifically about me.

48:25

>> No.

48:26

>> They did not ask you to keep secret the very fact of the

48:28

questioning?

48:29

>> No.

48:30

>> So this FSB questioning, as you now recall it,

48:33

was not related to this case

48:34

after all.

48:35

>> Yes.

48:36

>> All right. And please tell us, in response to the prosecution's

48:39

question you said that you had never

48:41

seen me. Do you confirm that

48:43

statement?

48:45

>> Yes.

48:47

>> Have you ever spoken with me

48:49

by phone?

48:51

No.

48:51

>> Were there any instances where perhaps someone

48:53

called you or came to see you,

48:55

claiming to be some representative of mine

48:58

or bringing some sort of message like that,

49:02

saying they were acting on my behalf?

49:05

>> No.

49:05

>> At that meeting you mentioned,

49:07

with the forestry enterprise directors, perhaps

49:09

that was where I met you, or

49:10

where I spoke, or where you saw me somewhere?

49:13

>> I don't remember that, I can't say.

49:16

>> Ah, all right. Please tell me,

49:18

after all, what is a centralized

49:21

contract? You mentioned it in response

49:24

to the prosecutor's question, and in your testimony

49:29

you said there are your own contracts,

49:30

and then there are certain centralized

49:31

contracts. What is a centralized

49:33

contract?

49:35

Well, basically, that referred

49:38

to those contracts that

49:40

were concluded by the commercial department of Kirovles

49:42

directly, and

49:46

it distributed the volumes among all branches.

49:49

>> So am I right in understanding that there was

49:51

a practice at Kirovles whereby

49:53

the central head office

49:55

of Kirovles, through its commercial department,

49:56

would conclude contracts with various

49:58

companies, and then simply send the specifications

50:01

out to the forestry enterprises, correct?

50:04

Well yes, probably like that.

50:05

>> So this was normal practice,

50:07

or was there something extraordinary about it?

50:10

>> No, it was normal.

50:10

>> This was standard practice, when

50:12

Kirovles would conclude a contract and

50:15

send the specifications out to the forestry enterprises.

50:17

All right. And you mentioned that, similarly,

50:20

as a centralized contract, as I understand it,

50:22

one of them was the contract with VLK.

50:29

Probably, apparently, yes.

50:31

And please clarify: you said,

50:34

in response to the prosecutor's question, that

50:39

the minimum price was determined as

50:41

the market price, which you

50:44

determine and which is then approved

50:46

by Kirovles's central office.

50:48

Correct?

50:49

>> We don't determine it ourselves; we base it on

50:52

the market price in the given region.

50:54

>> So you take the market price,

50:55

send it to the office, and say: "This is

50:58

our minimum price." They then

50:59

approve it for you. Correct?

51:01

Yes,

51:02

>> Did I correctly understand your statement that

51:04

you did not sell anything to VLK at a price

51:07

below the approved one, as meaning that

51:10

everything you sold, you sold at

51:11

the market price?

51:18

>> The contract was concluded by Kirovles.

51:21

The price was determined by Kirovles. I

51:23

mean pulpwood now as well—here, you are also

51:25

indicating that we sold the pulpwood

51:27

at a price higher than the approved

51:29

minimum price. That was just read out

51:30

a moment ago.

51:32

Yes, so that is, well, as you yourself just

51:35

said, you classified the contract with VLK

51:38

as exactly the same kind of ordinary centralized

51:40

contract.

51:41

>> Accordingly, we received the specification and

51:43

it is entirely possible that there were shipments of

51:45

that pulpwood.

51:47

>> And as for poles,

51:50

you had not supplied them before?

51:52

>> No.

51:53

>> Am I right in understanding that this was some kind of

51:55

new contract that came in? This was

51:59

a new product and an increase in sales

52:01

volume.

52:04

>> Well, for our forestry enterprise, it was

52:07

I don't know overall how it was for Kirovles

52:08

as a whole. I can't speak to that right now.

52:10

I don't even know the volumes that were

52:12

supplied for this type of

52:14

product. For us, given that this was,

52:18

let's say, a one-off shipment and

52:20

a minimal one, it did not really affect

52:22

anything. It did not have an impact, but nevertheless it was

52:24

not some old client; it was a new

52:27

product, new poles, new sales, even if

52:29

insignificant on the scale of the

52:31

forestry enterprise, correct?

52:34

>> Well, if you look at it from that angle,

52:35

yes.

52:36

>> Mm-hmm. And please tell me,

52:40

if someone were to

52:43

ask you to ship products at a price

52:45

below those minimum approved

52:47

prices, what would you do?

52:49

Someone meaning

52:50

>> Well, a customer came to you and said:

52:53

"Vladimir Matveyevich, please sell me

52:55

pulpwood at a price below

52:58

the approved minimum prices."

53:00

>> Well, I would refuse.

53:02

>> You would refuse?

53:03

>> I had no right to sell to them on those terms.

53:05

>> And you did not sell anything to anyone at prices

53:09

below the approved market prices, including

53:12

to VLK,

53:14

because otherwise that would have been a violation.

53:20

Yes, yes, that would have been a violation.

53:21

>> Please tell me, did you ever ship products

53:24

to anyone free of charge?

53:26

>> No.

53:28

>> And did anyone ever approach you with such

53:30

requests, asking you to ship products

53:32

free of charge?

53:33

>> No.

53:33

>> And did VLK ask you

53:35

to ship products free of charge?

53:37

>> No. And was there ever a situation in which

53:41

someone from the regional government,

53:43

from Kirovles, or anyone

53:46

else asked you to ship products

53:48

to anyone, specifically to VLK,

53:50

free of charge?

53:50

>> No,

53:51

>> that never happened. Yes.

53:54

>> And

53:56

And if, hypothetically, there had been a case

54:00

of products being shipped free of charge, and if

54:02

you had learned about it, what actions

54:04

would you have taken?

54:12

Well, I can't comment on that.

54:15

>> Well, I would have gone to the police or

54:16

reported it to head office.

54:18

>> Within the scope of work at the branch, so to speak,

54:20

that is, I supervised the branch's operations, but

54:22

did not interfere in the work, let's say,

54:24

of the parent company, Kirov Les.

54:26

Therefore,

54:27

>> Well, as far as your branch, your

54:29

area of responsibility is concerned, there were no free-of-charge

54:31

shipments. There were no shipments at a price below

54:33

market price, and there were no such requests

54:35

either. Am I understanding correctly? Thank you very much.

54:37

No further questions.

54:38

>> Counsel for Mikhailov.

54:39

>> No questions.

54:40

>> Counsel for Kobelev?

54:41

>> Counsel for Kobelev. A question: please tell us,

54:44

during the questioning about the FSB (Federal Security Service),

54:47

which you mentioned, was the surname

54:49

Olya mentioned?

54:53

Yes, probably yes.

54:55

>> Are you aware at all of any

54:57

criminal cases that were initiated against

54:59

your superiors?

55:02

Well, not in much detail, but I do know, so to speak,

55:06

that there is a criminal case, and I know

55:08

that he received a suspended sentence, so to speak.

55:11

>> And about other criminal cases?

55:13

>> No.

55:16

>> No further questions. May we

55:18

release the witness? Any objections?

55:21

>> From the defense?

55:22

>> No objections.

55:23

>> No objection.

55:24

>> No objection.

55:25

>> Thank you.

55:27

>> Thank you.

55:37

We sent a request to the Main

55:39

Investigative Directorate of the Investigative

55:40

Committee

55:42

of Russia, addressed to Major General of Justice

55:44

Alyshev, in which we asked him to report

55:46

on the results of operational-search

55:47

measures aimed at locating

55:49

the prosecution witness Arzamastsev in connection

55:51

with the need to question him at the court

55:53

hearing on May 28, 2013. Under outgoing

55:57

number 2011/4 460 713

56:01

12, a reply was received from the Main

56:03

Investigative Directorate from the authorized

56:05

procedural official, stating that

56:07

at present

56:10

Arzamastsev's whereabouts cannot

56:11

be established. There is no information

56:13

that Arzamastsev is being held in a pretrial detention center

56:15

or in medical institutions or morgues.

56:18

It is also reported that on March 7, 2013,

56:20

with respect to Arzamastsev, the Basmanny

56:22

District Court of Moscow, in absentia,

56:24

ordered a preventive measure in the form of detention

56:26

in custody, and that he was placed on

56:28

the international wanted list, and the documents are

56:31

attached directly

56:32

to the information provided. Therefore, I ask

56:34

that these materials be added to

56:37

the materials of the criminal case.

56:43

>> Do you support the motion?

56:44

>> Yes, Your Honor.

56:46

I have a defense objection regarding the inclusion

56:47

of the specified document in the case

56:48

materials of the criminal case. Your Honor,

56:52

may I speak?

56:53

>> All right, please do.

59:07

Counsel, you asked to look at the

59:09

documents, and you are copying them right away. I am not

59:11

copying them; I am just writing down what I

59:13

will now say in response to the motion

59:14

that has been made, Your Honor, so that you do not

59:15

accuse me of making unsupported

59:17

assertions.

1:02:08

There is a discrepancy.

1:02:34

Mm-hmm.

1:04:00

I'm listening,

1:04:27

if you're ready.

1:04:29

Your Honor, we object to the reading into the record of the testimony

1:04:31

of witness Arzamastsev.

1:04:33

>> For now, the issue raised was the inclusion of

1:04:35

the materials.

1:04:37

>> The defendant's position, please.

1:04:39

>> Well, I support the defense's position.

1:04:42

>> The defendant's position on

1:04:43

>> I do not object to their inclusion.

1:04:44

>> Counsel for Mikhailov, your position.

1:04:45

>> No objection.

1:04:47

>> I object to its admission.

1:04:50

The court grants the motion by the prosecution

1:04:52

and adds to the case materials

1:04:54

the information

1:04:57

submitted regarding the search for witness

1:05:00

Arzamastsev. In this connection, what

1:05:01

motions will the prosecution make? Your Honor,

1:05:04

given that at present

1:05:07

all possible measures aimed at locating him

1:05:11

by the authority that initiated the search,

1:05:12

have been taken, as confirmed by

1:05:14

the relevant information, which was also

1:05:15

presented at previous

1:05:17

court hearings, including on May 14.

1:05:20

Therefore, we move for the reading into the record

1:05:22

of the testimony given by witness Arzamastsev

1:05:24

at the pretrial investigation stage,

1:05:26

volume 26, pages 263-30...

1:05:35

Before ruling on this motion,

1:05:37

the court will read out the submitted documents. These are

1:05:39

first, the request

1:05:41

from the First Deputy Regional Prosecutor

1:05:44

Akatyev for information regarding

1:05:45

the search for Arzamastsev; second, the reply

1:05:49

to Deputy Regional Prosecutor Akatyev

1:05:52

to that request

1:05:54

from the Investigative Committee of the Russian

1:05:56

Federation, the Investigative Committee of Russia.

1:05:58

It is reported that,

1:06:01

that on December 17, 2012, the Main

1:06:03

Investigative Directorate of the Investigative

1:06:04

Committee of the Russian Federation

1:06:05

initiated a criminal case on the grounds of

1:06:07

an offense under Part 1

1:06:08

of Article 286 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation against the former

1:06:11

director of the Department of State

1:06:12

Property of Kirov Region

1:06:13

Arzamasov, on charges of abuse of official

1:06:16

powers in the privatization of a 25.5% stake in OJSC

1:06:20

Urzhum Distillery. On January 15

1:06:22

2013, the Main Investigative

1:06:24

Directorate of the Investigative Committee

1:06:25

of the Russian Federation initiated

1:06:26

a criminal case on the grounds of an offense

1:06:28

under Part 4 of Article 160

1:06:30

of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation against Arzamasov and other

1:06:32

unidentified persons in connection with the theft

1:06:34

through embezzlement of 25.5%

1:06:37

of the shares in OJSC Urzhum Distillery

1:06:39

Plant. On January 16, 2013, the said

1:06:42

criminal cases were joined into one

1:06:43

proceeding. On January 29, 2013,

1:06:46

Arzamasov, due to the failure to establish his

1:06:48

whereabouts, was charged in absentia

1:06:49

with committing an offense

1:06:51

under Part 4 of Article 160 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

1:06:54

On January 29, 2013, Arzamasov was placed on

1:06:57

the federal wanted list. On March 4, 2013,

1:07:00

Arzamasov, in connection with his departure beyond

1:07:02

the territory of the Russian Federation, was placed on

1:07:03

the international wanted list, which was assigned to the NCB

1:07:06

of Interpol. On March 7, 2013, the Basmanny

1:07:10

District Court of the city of Moscow

1:07:11

ordered, in absentia, in respect of Arzamasov, a measure

1:07:13

of restraint in the form of detention in custody.

1:07:14

At present, the whereabouts

1:07:16

of Arzamasov cannot

1:07:16

be established; there is no information about

1:07:18

Arzamasov being in a pretrial detention center, temporary holding facility, or

1:07:20

medical institutions or morgues.

1:07:23

In the course of operational-search

1:07:24

measures, information was obtained that

1:07:26

Arzamasov may be hiding in the territory

1:07:28

of the following states: Lithuania, Latvia,

1:07:29

Estonia, the Czech Republic, or Finland. And

1:07:31

attached to this response is a copy

1:07:34

of the order to search for the accused, a copy

1:07:36

of the order declaring the accused

1:07:38

on the international wanted list, and a copy

1:07:39

of the order imposing a measure

1:07:41

of restraint in the form of detention in custody. These documents

1:07:43

are also being read out

1:07:46

in relevant part from the orders.

1:07:58

From the order on the search for the accused dated January 29, 2013

1:08:01

it follows that the accused, Arzamasov

1:08:04

Konstantin Vyacheslavovich, was placed on

1:08:06

the wanted list,

1:08:08

which was assigned to the Main Directorate for Economic Security and Anti-Corruption of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.

1:08:13

Further, from the

1:08:18

order

1:08:19

declaring the accused on the international

1:08:21

wanted list dated March 4, 2013, it follows that

1:08:24

Arzamasov Konstantin Vyacheslavovich,

1:08:27

whose details are specified,

1:08:29

was declared

1:08:32

wanted internationally for the purpose of his extradition

1:08:34

the search is to be conducted in the territory of all member countries

1:08:36

with special attention to be given by

1:08:38

the law enforcement authorities of Lithuania,

1:08:39

Latvia, Estonia, the Czech Republic, and Finland.

1:08:41

Prepare and send to the NCB of Interpol

1:08:43

the materials necessary to organize

1:08:44

the search for Arzamasov

1:08:47

in these states.

1:08:54

And further, attached is the

1:08:56

order imposing a measure of restraint

1:08:58

in the form of detention in custody dated March 7

1:09:00

2013, by the Basmanny District Court

1:09:02

of the city of Moscow, which issued a ruling

1:09:05

according to which, in respect of Arzamasov

1:09:07

Konstantin Vyacheslavovich, born November 26, 1971,

1:09:10

a citizen of the city of

1:09:11

Krasnoyarsk, a measure of restraint was chosen in

1:09:14

the form

1:09:16

of detention in custody

1:09:20

These documents have been read out. The court heard

1:09:23

the opinion of the defense regarding the motion filed

1:09:24

Please state your position.

1:09:29

If the request is to read out the testimony

1:09:30

of the witness, we believe that

1:09:33

reading out the witness testimony

1:09:35

would substantially violate the defendants' right to

1:09:36

a defense, because the defendants are deprived

1:09:40

of the right to question the witness under the same

1:09:41

conditions in which he gave

1:09:44

testimony to the investigator. The defendants are deprived

1:09:46

of the right to ask the witness the questions that interest them.

1:09:47

And perhaps we would have agreed

1:09:51

to the reading out of this testimony in the event

1:09:52

that during the preliminary

1:09:55

investigation, between the defendants, in particular

1:09:57

my client Pyotr Ofitserov and

1:09:58

the witness Arzamasov, there had been conducted

1:10:00

a confrontation, since in their testimony,

1:10:03

there are

1:10:04

contradictions between their statements. The investigators did not

1:10:06

eliminate this gap. And now, by reading out

1:10:09

the testimony of witness Arzamasov and

1:10:11

thereby depriving my client Ofitserov, as well as

1:10:13

the defendant Navalny, of the opportunity

1:10:15

to ask the witness the questions that concern them.

1:10:19

The court would thereby violate the defendants' right

1:10:21

to a defense and place the defendants in conditions

1:10:24

unequal to those of the prosecution. Moreover,

1:10:27

among other things, Article 276 does indeed

1:10:30

provide for the reading out of witness

1:10:32

testimony, but it contains a strict

1:10:34

list of circumstances under which such

1:10:36

reading out is possible.

1:10:38

Such circumstances include, in

1:10:40

particular, the death of the victim

1:10:41

or witness, and also where the person holds

1:10:44

citizenship of another state and refuses to appear

1:10:46

for questioning at the court

1:10:49

hearing, a serious illness

1:10:50

preventing appearance in court, as well as

1:10:52

a natural disaster and other comparable circumstances.

1:10:55

circumstance, extraordinary

1:10:56

circumstances. I believe that the fact that

1:11:00

the prosecution was unable

1:11:03

to secure the appearance of witness Arzamastsev in

1:11:05

court does not constitute an extraordinary

1:11:07

circumstance equivalent to

1:11:10

a natural disaster. And this is not,

1:11:18

Your Honor, from the documents that

1:11:21

were presented today, it is in no

1:11:23

way apparent that there were

1:11:25

undertaken, as the prosecutor put it,

1:11:28

comprehensive measures to locate this

1:11:29

witness. From the documents that

1:11:32

were presented today, it appears that

1:11:34

yes, the witness has a certain

1:11:35

procedural status. Yes, he has been subjected to

1:11:38

custodial measures in absentia. Yes, he has been placed on

1:11:41

the federal and international wanted list, but from

1:11:43

the documents submitted it does not

1:11:44

appear what comprehensive

1:11:46

measures were taken. And since, in particular,

1:11:49

March, when the international search for him was announced,

1:11:51

to locate this

1:11:53

witness, to establish

1:11:54

his whereabouts and secure his appearance at the court

1:11:56

hearing in the criminal case against

1:11:58

Navalny and Ofitserov. Apart from the fact that

1:12:02

certain measures were taken,

1:12:04

related to the fact that a trip was made

1:12:06

to the city of Zheleznogorsk, to the city of

1:12:08

Krasnoyarsk, no other measures were taken.

1:12:11

As for the documents submitted earlier,

1:12:14

with respect to them

1:12:15

the defense also states that

1:12:17

this is a very meager set of

1:12:20

actions that merely simulated, uh,

1:12:23

activity connected with an attempt

1:12:25

to secure the witness's appearance in court. In

1:12:27

reality, no actions

1:12:29

related to establishing

1:12:30

the witness's whereabouts, related to

1:12:33

trying to have the witness

1:12:35

brought to the court hearing and questioned

1:12:36

were undertaken by the prosecution.

1:12:38

Moreover, from the submitted

1:12:41

documents, uh, it is clear to us from the documents

1:12:44

that the witness may be located

1:12:48

in a number of countries.

1:12:50

We have no documents indicating

1:12:52

that efforts to locate him and attempts to bring him

1:12:55

from those countries were made.

1:12:58

Further, we do not even have information

1:12:59

that the prosecution—and we have

1:13:01

two prosecutors—that either of them even

1:13:03

called this witness, established

1:13:05

the phone numbers he might

1:13:07

be using, identified the circle of people with whom

1:13:09

he might be in contact, and so on.

1:13:11

Therefore, I believe that the witness's

1:13:14

testimony cannot be read into the record because

1:13:16

this would violate the defendants' right to

1:13:18

a fair trial with respect to

1:13:19

examining the witness under the same

1:13:21

conditions as the investigator had. And

1:13:25

reading out the witness's testimony

1:13:26

contradicts the requirements of Article 276 of the Russian Code of Criminal Procedure.

1:13:31

Your Honor, I am also opposed, because

1:13:34

the actions that were presented in the

1:13:36

form of documents are, in my view,

1:13:39

purely formal in nature. Nor did

1:13:41

the prosecution take the necessary

1:13:44

measures to find and bring this

1:13:46

witness. Therefore, I object.

1:13:51

>> Your Honor, I support the opinion

1:13:53

of defense counsel Davydov. Indeed, in

1:13:55

the materials that you read out at

1:13:58

this hearing and the previous one, there is only

1:13:59

information that a trip was made

1:14:01

to the city of Zheleznogorsk. The case materials

1:14:03

do not even contain, for example, information from

1:14:05

the border service that would unequivocally

1:14:07

confirm that the witness

1:14:09

left the territory of the Russian Federation.

1:14:11

Surely the border service could at least, uh,

1:14:13

have been asked about this. That was not

1:14:15

done. The countries mentioned—

1:14:17

the Baltic states, Finland, and so on—

1:14:19

are small countries. Since our

1:14:21

expenses for this trial have in any

1:14:22

event already many times exceeded any

1:14:24

possible damage, I propose

1:14:26

contacting the Foreign Intelligence Service and

1:14:28

the Main Intelligence Directorate so that

1:14:30

they, in these small little

1:14:31

countries, also carry out work to

1:14:33

determine

1:14:35

the possibility, uh, that witness

1:14:38

Arzamassev may be there.

1:14:41

>> Yes, I support that as well.

1:14:43

I would like to add that from the order

1:14:45

placing him on the international wanted list, dated

1:14:47

March 4, it follows that the officials

1:14:51

were supposed to prepare and send to

1:14:53

Interpol the materials necessary for

1:14:56

search efforts in Interpol member states for

1:15:00

Arzamastsev. However, no

1:15:02

supporting materials showing that this was

1:15:04

done were provided to the court. Nor were

1:15:08

any materials provided from

1:15:10

those countries—from Lithuania, Latvia,

1:15:12

Estonia, the Czech Republic, and Finland—showing that they

1:15:15

received such documents from the Russian Federation,

1:15:17

that any actions were taken,

1:15:19

and, well, essentially,

1:15:22

the fate of those documents is unknown.

1:15:24

Accordingly, I think that

1:15:26

the motion, as always,

1:15:27

has been filed prematurely by the prosecution. There is no basis for it.

1:15:33

>> I support the position of Mikhailova,

1:15:36

Davydova, and our clients. In addition,

1:15:39

I would like to note that I consider it

1:15:42

at least at this moment

1:15:44

premature to read out his testimony,

1:15:45

since the proceedings have not yet

1:15:47

been completed; the process of presenting

1:15:49

the prosecution's evidence has not

1:15:51

been completed. We have already repeatedly

1:15:52

changed the order—sometimes documents, sometimes

1:15:54

witnesses, and so on. I’m saying this because

1:15:56

what if next week

1:15:58

or even tomorrow, so to speak,

1:16:00

Arzamasov is found, or appears

1:16:02

before the Investigative Committee with a confession, then we

1:16:04

will have that opportunity. And if we

1:16:05

read out his testimony now, and then he

1:16:07

shows up tomorrow, then it will turn out that

1:16:09

his testimony has already been read out. And even if we

1:16:12

question him, it will already be after it has been

1:16:14

read out. So at the very least, let’s

1:16:15

put this issue off until later.

1:16:19

>> No objection from Kobel’s defense.

1:16:21

>> We object to the reading out of the testimony.

1:16:22

The court has heard the parties’ views for the purpose of

1:16:24

ensuring compliance with

1:16:27

the defendants’ rights

1:16:30

and the need to maintain a balance of

1:16:32

private and public interests. In view of the fact that

1:16:35

the defendant/accused person

1:16:37

in another criminal case,

1:16:38

who is a witness in our case, has already

1:16:40

for a long time been on, among other things,

1:16:42

the international wanted list. However, there is no

1:16:48

information indicating that he is currently

1:16:51

in the Russian Federation, um, no.

1:16:54

The information submitted to the court is dated the 28th

1:16:57

of March—that is, as of yesterday, 28 May, that is,

1:17:00

as of yesterday. The court believes it is

1:17:02

necessary to grant the motion

1:17:03

of the prosecution and read out his

1:17:04

testimony, the testimony he gave during

1:17:06

the preliminary investigation. But as for

1:17:08

the situation where this witness

1:17:10

is located, if the defense

1:17:13

becomes aware of this, then presumably the defense

1:17:15

may invite him to court for

1:17:18

questioning as a witness on its side.

1:17:21

Therefore, volume/case file page twenty-

1:17:24

six is being read out. Case file pages 26–30

1:17:28

of the upper section overall

1:17:38

examined: pages 26–30, in which

1:17:43

the questioning of witness Zamastsev

1:17:45

was conducted on August 16, 2012, in the city of

1:17:49

Kirov, during the period from 18:25 to 19:50

1:17:54

sharp; he was questioned by an investigator for

1:17:57

particularly important cases of the Main Investigative

1:17:59

Directorate of the Investigative Committee

1:18:00

of the Russian Federation, Akhmetov.

1:18:03

His rights and obligations were explained; there are

1:18:05

corresponding signatures. At the request

1:18:06

to read it in the first person, on the substance

1:18:08

of the criminal case I can state the following:

1:18:10

On March 26, 2009, I began performing the duties of

1:18:13

director of the Department

1:18:14

of State Property of Kirov

1:18:16

Region. Before taking that position, I was engaged in

1:18:19

business activities in

1:18:20

the Krasnoyarsk Territory. I was invited to the city

1:18:22

of Kirov by the governor

1:18:23

of Kirov Region, Belykh, with whom I was

1:18:25

acquainted through party work in the Union of Right

1:18:27

Forces (a Russian political party).

1:18:29

I was confirmed in that position by

1:18:30

the Legislative Assembly of Kirov

1:18:32

Region in July 2009, and I worked in

1:18:34

that position until May 29, 2011,

1:18:37

during which time I held the above-mentioned

1:18:39

position. My official duties

1:18:40

included overall management of the department,

1:18:43

including oversight of the work of

1:18:45

state enterprises of Kirov

1:18:46

Region, which included KOGUP

1:18:48

Kirovles. The general director of KOGUP

1:18:50

Kirovles was Opalev. Most likely, I met

1:18:52

Opalev when I began

1:18:54

performing my official

1:18:55

duties and started getting acquainted with

1:18:57

the heads of the enterprises subordinate to me.

1:18:59

After starting work, I began

1:19:00

familiarizing myself with the enterprises of Kirov

1:19:02

Region. I also studied how

1:19:03

work was organized at KOGUP

1:19:05

Kirovles and what needed to be done for

1:19:06

the enterprise in terms of its further

1:19:08

development. As a result, I concluded

1:19:10

that KOGUP Kirovles was in a

1:19:12

state of bankruptcy, since it had

1:19:13

very large debts. In my opinion,

1:19:15

this situation at the enterprise was caused by

1:19:16

various reasons. For example,

1:19:18

the enterprise had a fairly large

1:19:19

forest leaseholding that it was unable to

1:19:21

process, while at the same time it had to pay

1:19:22

for the lease.

1:19:24

Unsatisfactory policy

1:19:25

in managing the enterprise

1:19:27

led to even greater debts at

1:19:29

Kirovles.

1:19:31

Opalev and I quite often discussed

1:19:33

various issues related to

1:19:34

the need to restructure the work of

1:19:36

the enterprise and search for possible ways

1:19:38

out of the difficult economic

1:19:39

situation in which

1:19:41

Kirovles found itself. I tried to convey to the leadership

1:19:43

of Kirov Region that the enterprise

1:19:44

needed to be reformed,

1:19:45

the workload redistributed, and attempts made to

1:19:47

reorganize its operations. I learned of the existence of

1:19:51

the limited liability company

1:19:52

Vyatka Timber Company (VLK) and its general

1:19:54

director, Ofitserov, after

1:19:56

an initiative audit was conducted of

1:19:57

KOGUP Kirovles. This audit was carried out

1:19:59

at my initiative and was prompted by

1:20:01

my need to understand the true

1:20:03

state of affairs at a fairly large

1:20:05

enterprise such as KOGUP Kirovles.

1:20:07

After the auditing company

1:20:09

reviewed the enterprise’s operations, under

1:20:10

Deputy Governor Shcherchkov,

1:20:12

a working meeting was held

1:20:14

to discuss its results. At that

1:20:16

meeting, representatives were present

1:20:17

of the working group that had been created by

1:20:19

order of the governor of Kirov

1:20:20

Region. This working group also included

1:20:22

Navalny was among them, and after hearing him out,

1:20:24

having listened to the results, began to question

1:20:26

his conclusions and tried to secure

1:20:27

a repeat audit by firms that

1:20:29

hold fairly strong positions in

1:20:31

the market and are part of the Big Four. Although,

1:20:33

in my opinion, the audit that had been conducted was

1:20:35

quite objective. While I was speaking

1:20:37

during the meeting, I became aware of

1:20:38

the existence of

1:20:41

VLK and Ofitserov. It emerged that between

1:20:42

Kogubkirovles and VLK there had been concluded

1:20:45

a contract that was disadvantageous to

1:20:46

Kogubki Rafles. After the meeting

1:20:48

I spoke about this contract

1:20:50

with Sopolev, and he explained to me that

1:20:52

Ofitserov had promised him to bring in new

1:20:54

contracts and expand the sales market

1:20:55

for timber products of Kakrov Les. And, believing

1:20:57

him, he signed this contract. As for whether

1:20:59

any pressure had been exerted on him

1:21:01

when signing this contract with VLK,

1:21:03

Oplev said nothing. After that, I ordered

1:21:05

an internal review, which

1:21:07

revealed that Opliv had committed

1:21:09

a number of shortcomings in organizing the work of

1:21:11

the enterprise, including the conclusion of

1:21:12

an unfavorable contract with VLK. Based on the results

1:21:15

of the review, Ople was subjected to

1:21:16

disciplinary action in the form of

1:21:17

a severe reprimand. At the same time, for the

1:21:19

duration of the review, he was suspended from

1:21:21

his position.

1:21:23

Investigators' question: Were any meetings held with

1:21:24

your participation at which

1:21:26

Smertin, Perminova, and the chief

1:21:27

accountant of Kogubki Rafles took part, where the issue

1:21:29

of Navalny's unlawful actions at

1:21:31

Kogubkera Rafles was discussed? Answer: I do not recall

1:21:34

such a meeting taking place.

1:21:35

Most likely, it was held in my

1:21:37

absence, when Smerten was my

1:21:39

deputy and was carrying out my duties.

1:21:41

I allow for the possibility that he may have reported

1:21:42

the results of the meeting to me. I may have instructed him

1:21:44

to go to the enterprise and

1:21:46

speak with its representatives.

1:21:47

Question from the investigators: What kind of

1:21:48

relationship developed between you and

1:21:51

Navalny during your work in Kirov Region?

1:21:52

Answer: There were no friendly relations of any kind

1:21:54

between us; they were

1:21:56

strictly professional. We had different

1:21:57

visions for the development of Kirov Region, including

1:22:00

the development of Kirovles. That is,

1:22:01

they were directly opposed, as

1:22:03

I stated above. The record

1:22:06

of the witness interview was signed; no

1:22:07

remarks were made during it or after its conclusion by

1:22:09

the witness.

1:22:18

The witness Baranov also failed to appear at the court hearing

1:22:20

.

1:22:22

On this issue, the prosecution stated:

1:22:25

>> Your Honor, given that witness

1:22:27

Baranov was also summoned repeatedly to

1:22:29

the court hearing starting from April 17

1:22:31

and up to the present, the court had

1:22:34

information that he had been properly

1:22:35

notified, and the court was also provided with

1:22:37

information that Baranov

1:22:39

is quite frequently away on business trips

1:22:42

and is absent from his place of residence.

1:22:44

In this connection, in order to avoid

1:22:46

violating the victim's right to a reasonable

1:22:48

time frame for the consideration of the criminal case, we also

1:22:49

move to have his testimony read into the record,

1:22:52

as given by him during the preliminary

1:22:53

investigation.

1:22:56

Volume seven, page 109.

1:22:57

>> Volume seven, case file pages 109-113.

1:23:01

For the defense, I would remind you that this

1:23:02

testimony is derivative of

1:23:04

the testimony of his deputy, who was

1:23:05

questioned again at the court hearing.

1:23:08

Volume what?

1:23:10

Seven, case file pages 109-100.

1:23:20

>> Your Honor, we are categorically opposed to

1:23:21

the reading out of the witness's testimony, and besides

1:23:24

that, we have not seen

1:23:25

any documents confirming, um, as

1:23:27

the prosecutors have just confidently asserted,

1:23:29

the proper notification of witness Baranov,

1:23:31

or repeated proper notification

1:23:33

of witness Baranov of the need to appear

1:23:35

at the court hearing. And on top of that, we

1:23:38

have not seen any information showing that Baranov was

1:23:40

on business trips, or any schedule of those work

1:23:42

trips.

1:23:44

Therefore, the claim that these documents are in

1:23:45

the court's possession is, for the defense,

1:23:47

a great mystery. And I want to note that

1:23:49

witness Baranov, unlike

1:23:50

witness Arzamastsev, is not wanted

1:23:52

either federally or

1:23:53

internationally. The place of residence

1:23:55

of witness Baranov is known to everyone. The information

1:23:57

about this is contained in the record of his

1:23:58

interview. The contact phone number of witness

1:24:01

Baranov is also known to everyone. The information

1:24:02

about this is contained in the record of his interview.

1:24:05

I believe there are no grounds whatsoever for

1:24:08

reading out this witness's testimony,

1:24:10

because there are

1:24:12

other means of securing this

1:24:14

witness's appearance in court, apart from

1:24:16

sending the witness, perhaps, uh,

1:24:18

summonses or telegrams. I believe

1:24:21

that a witness being on a business trip,

1:24:23

especially since we do not know whether he is actually

1:24:25

on a business trip, and we do not know

1:24:26

the dates of these trips, but

1:24:28

still, a witness being

1:24:29

on a business trip is not grounds for

1:24:31

reading out his witness testimony.

1:24:33

Of course, I understand that the state

1:24:35

prosecutor is showing

1:24:37

great concern for the interests of the victim

1:24:39

and for ensuring that, uh, the court

1:24:41

the proceedings would not be prolonged. But

1:24:44

let us also remember the rights

1:24:46

of the defendants, who, I would stress once again,

1:24:48

have the right to question

1:24:50

a witness, regardless of whether

1:24:52

his testimony is derivative of the testimony

1:24:54

of his deputy or not

1:24:56

such testimony. Therefore, let us question

1:24:58

the witness, ask him all the questions

1:25:00

that concern us, and do so

1:25:02

directly, in the courtroom hearing.

1:25:05

I believe that if the court

1:25:07

grants this motion,

1:25:09

if it is granted, once again,

1:25:11

with such a mocking wording, namely

1:25:13

"for the purpose of safeguarding the rights of the defendant and

1:25:16

private-public interests," then I

1:25:18

believe that this position of the court will

1:25:20

once again violate the defendants’ right and

1:25:22

their defense’s right to examine witnesses and, more broadly,

1:25:24

their right to a fair judicial

1:25:25

proceeding.

1:25:26

>> The opinion of defendant Ofitserov. Your

1:25:28

Honor, I believe that the prosecution

1:25:30

has the resources and ability to bring

1:25:32

witness Baranov to the courtroom. This is not

1:25:35

Arzamasov; he is not hiding all over

1:25:36

the world, but lives at his registered address.

1:25:38

Therefore, I think the prosecution

1:25:40

should make an effort and bring

1:25:41

the witness whom they themselves

1:25:43

called. Therefore I object to

1:25:46

the reading out of his testimony.

1:25:50

>> The opinion of defendant Navalny. I do not

1:25:52

[inaudible argument]

1:25:52

>> Defense counsel Mikhailov’s opinion.

1:25:54

>> Yes, I fully support that.

1:25:55

>> Defense counsel’s opinion. Kobzev.

1:25:57

I would also like to note that I find it somewhat

1:25:59

hard to understand the prosecution’s logic, when we

1:26:00

first changed the order of examination—for example,

1:26:02

Knyazev had not been questioned, so we changed

1:26:04

the order and began, uh, reviewing documents.

1:26:07

Then Knyazev appeared, and we questioned him,

1:26:10

that is, we waited for Knyazev until he

1:26:12

arrived. Why are we not prepared

1:26:13

to wait for Baranov? And why does this need

1:26:15

to be done right now—agreeing to have his

1:26:17

testimony read out? That is, I do have an answer to that question.

1:26:19

As for me, I am against it. Kobzev is against it as well.

1:26:23

>> The court denies the motion filed by the

1:26:24

defense. The reading out of the testimony

1:26:26

of witness Baranov

1:26:27

>> May the prosecution

1:26:29

proceed?

1:26:29

>> Prosecution side,

1:26:33

please continue.

1:26:35

>> Well, Your Honor, in view of the fact that our motion has been denied,

1:26:38

we do not insist on

1:26:40

calling witness Baranov; that is, we will not

1:26:42

make any further attempts

1:26:44

because, in our view, he does not have substantial

1:26:45

importance for resolving the issues

1:26:47

raised in this case, and we move

1:26:49

to proceed to the examination of the written

1:26:51

materials of the criminal case. I remind the court that

1:26:52

we stopped at volume twelve,

1:26:55

case file pages 133–134—this is the ruling

1:26:58

on submitting the results of operational-search activities (investigative surveillance measures). Next.

1:27:00

Therefore, closed. Open.

1:27:02

Let us continue examining the indicated materials.

1:27:07

>> In this connection, we have a motion.

1:27:10

The motion is in writing; I will

1:27:12

read it out.

1:27:14

To the federal judge of the Leninsky District

1:27:16

District Court of the city of Kirov, from

1:27:18

Navalny, Ofitserov, and attorneys Mikhailov

1:27:20

and Kobzev, Davydova. In accordance with

1:27:23

Article 75 of the Criminal Procedure

1:27:25

Code of the Russian Federation,

1:27:26

evidence obtained in violation of

1:27:28

the requirements of criminal procedure

1:27:30

law is inadmissible, lacks

1:27:31

legal force, and may not

1:27:33

be used to prove any of the

1:27:35

circumstances provided for in Article

1:27:37

73 of the Criminal Procedure Code.

1:27:40

Part 3 of Article 7 of the Code

1:27:41

provides that a violation of the provisions

1:27:43

of this Code by a court, prosecutor,

1:27:45

investigator, inquiry body, or

1:27:46

investigating officer in the course of criminal

1:27:48

proceedings entails

1:27:50

the recognition as inadmissible of evidence obtained in such a

1:27:52

manner. The prosecution has moved

1:27:54

for the examination at the court hearing of the following

1:27:56

materials of the criminal

1:27:57

case: a ruling on

1:27:59

submitting the results of operational-search activities

1:28:01

to the investigator, volume 12, case file pages 133–143.

1:28:05

A ruling on classifying information

1:28:07

constituting a state secret, volume

1:28:09

12, case file pages 135–136.

1:28:11

A ruling of the Kirov Regional Court

1:28:13

dated August 3, 2009, granting permission for

1:28:16

the interception of telephone

1:28:17

conversations, volume 12, case file page 137; a record

1:28:21

of the inspection and listening of the audio recording

1:28:23

of conversations between Navalny and Ofitserov, volume 12,

1:28:26

case file pages 168–206.

1:28:28

A record of the inspection of items dated October 17,

1:28:31

2012, volume 12, case file pages 207–209.

1:28:35

A ruling dated August 24, 2012, on

1:28:38

the appointment of a comprehensive phonoscopic

1:28:40

expert examination, volume 12, case file pages 210–211.

1:28:44

The phonoscopic expert report,

1:28:46

volume 13, case file pages 2–158.

1:28:49

A ruling dated November 28, 2012, on the

1:28:52

appointment of a comprehensive

1:28:53

psychological and linguistic forensic

1:28:55

expert examination, volume 13, case file pages 195–198.

1:28:59

The report of the comprehensive

1:29:00

psychological and linguistic forensic

1:29:01

expert examination, volume 13, case file pages 214 and 260.

1:29:06

We believe that all of the above-listed

1:29:07

materials are inadmissible

1:29:09

evidence obtained in

1:29:11

violation of the requirements

1:29:12

criminal procedure

1:29:13

legislation and therefore cannot be

1:29:15

announced and examined in court

1:29:17

hearing on the following grounds.

1:29:20

On August 3, 2009, by the presiding judge

1:29:22

of the Kirov Regional Court, Barmin, there was

1:29:24

issued a ruling granting permission

1:29:27

to conduct wiretapping of telephone

1:29:28

conversations involving Navalny

1:29:30

and Ofitserov; in Volume 12, Case File 137, this

1:29:34

ruling constitutes inadmissible

1:29:36

evidence, because in issuing it

1:29:37

the provisions of

1:29:39

criminal procedure

1:29:40

legislation were violated; this is confirmed

1:29:42

by the following. As follows from the text

1:29:44

of the court ruling, to the Kirov

1:29:45

Regional Court applied the head of the FSB

1:29:48

of Russia for the Kirov Region,

1:29:50

who submitted some kind of order for

1:29:52

the interception of telephone conversations,

1:29:53

conducted by Navalny and Ofitserov. During

1:29:56

the consideration of this order

1:29:58

the head of the FSB of Russia for the Kirov

1:30:00

Region, the court established that in the

1:30:02

FSB Directorate of Russia for the Kirov

1:30:04

Region there were operational review materials

1:30:06

regarding the head

1:30:08

of the project for the regional targeted program

1:30:10

for the development of the timber industry complex

1:30:12

of the Kirov Region for 2009–2015

1:30:15

Roman Borisovich Shipov, who

1:30:17

extorted from the director of Nepi and Lesprom, Moscow,

1:30:22

Burdin, money in the amount of

1:30:24

approximately

1:30:26

1.5 million rubles for approval,

1:30:28

of the program developed by the institute and

1:30:30

payment under the contract. On this fact, on June 23

1:30:33

2009, by the Investigative Directorate

1:30:36

of the FSB of Russia, a criminal case was opened against Shipov

1:30:39

criminal case No. 320-32

1:30:42

on the grounds of an offense

1:30:43

provided for by Part 3 of Article

1:30:45

30 and Part 4 of Article 159

1:30:48

of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

1:30:50

Having noted in the ruling the fact of the existence

1:30:52

of an initiated criminal case, the court

1:30:54

ignored the provisions of

1:30:55

criminal procedure

1:30:56

legislation governing the procedure

1:30:58

for obtaining judicial authorization for

1:31:00

the interception of telephone conversations,

1:31:02

thereby violating the procedure for obtaining

1:31:04

judicial authorization to conduct

1:31:06

the interception of telephone conversations,

1:31:08

established by Articles 165–186

1:31:11

of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation; in granting the moti-

1:31:18

the court was guided not by the provisions

1:31:21

of Articles 165–186 of the Criminal Procedure Code, but only by Articles

1:31:25

6 and 7 of the Law of the Russian Federation on operational-search

1:31:28

activity. Moreover, the fact established

1:31:31

by the court of the existence of a criminal case initiated against

1:31:33

Shipov, criminal case No.

1:31:35

320-32

1:31:37

indicated that in this

1:31:39

case a preliminary

1:31:40

investigation was being conducted, and therefore, under Article

1:31:43

165 of the Criminal Procedure Code, a motion for authorization to

1:31:46

the interception of telephone conversations,

1:31:48

conducted by Navalny and Ofitserov, should

1:31:51

have been submitted to the court, with the approval of

1:31:52

the head of the investigative body,

1:31:54

by the investigator in charge of

1:31:57

criminal case No. 320-32

1:32:00

and not by the head of the FSB Directorate of Russia for the Kirov

1:32:02

Region, who did not have the authority

1:32:05

to apply to the court to obtain

1:32:07

judicial authorization for carrying out

1:32:08

the interception of telephone conversations within

1:32:11

the framework of an initiated criminal case.

1:32:13

However, the court completely ignored

1:32:15

the lack of authority of the person

1:32:17

who initiated the obtaining of judicial

1:32:19

authorization for the interception of telephone

1:32:21

conversations.

1:32:23

We note in particular that, in accordance with

1:32:24

Articles 38 and 186 of the

1:32:27

Criminal Procedure Code, after

1:32:30

the initiation of a criminal case and its acceptance

1:32:32

for proceedings, it is specifically the investigator who

1:32:34

is authorized independently to direct

1:32:36

the course of the investigation, make decisions on

1:32:38

conducting investigative actions and,

1:32:40

if deemed necessary, to conduct

1:32:42

the interception of telephone conversations,

1:32:44

submits the corresponding motion,

1:32:46

which is then presented to the court. Part One

1:32:49

of Article 186 of the Criminal Procedure Code provides that where

1:32:52

there are sufficient grounds to believe

1:32:55

that telephone and other conversations

1:32:57

of a suspect, an accused person, and other persons

1:32:59

may contain information

1:33:01

relevant to the criminal case, their

1:33:04

monitoring and recording are permitted in

1:33:05

criminal proceedings on the

1:33:08

basis of a court decision

1:33:09

adopted in the manner established by

1:33:11

Article 165 of this Code. In turn,

1:33:14

Part One of Article 165

1:33:16

of the Criminal Procedure Code, in

1:33:18

conjunction with paragraph 11 of Part

1:33:20

Two of Article 29 of the Criminal Procedure Code, provides

1:33:23

that only an investigator, with the consent

1:33:25

of the head of the investigative body, has

1:33:27

the authority to petition the court

1:33:29

for the conduct of such an

1:33:31

investigative action as the monitoring and

1:33:32

recording of telephone conversations. In the

1:33:35

ruling of the Constitutional Court

1:33:36

of the Russian Federation dated January 24, 2008,

1:33:40

No. 104

1:33:42

on refusal to accept for consideration

1:33:43

the complaint of citizen Dmitry

1:33:45

Yuryevich Bukhrov concerning the violation of his

1:33:47

constitutional rights by Part Four

1:33:48

of Article 21 and Articles 84, 86, and 89

1:33:52

of the Criminal Procedure Code

1:33:54

of the Russian Federation, Articles 2 and 6

1:33:56

of the Federal Law on

1:33:57

operational-search activity

1:33:59

the following legal position is set out:

1:34:01

both criminal procedural actions

1:34:03

and operational-search measures

1:34:04

may be carried out only by specific

1:34:06

authorized persons where the specific

1:34:09

grounds and conditions established by law

1:34:10

are present. At the same time, the conduct, in connection with

1:34:13

the conduct of the preliminary

1:34:14

investigation in a criminal case, of

1:34:15

operational-search measures cannot

1:34:18

replace procedural actions for which

1:34:20

the carrying out of which

1:34:21

the criminal procedure law

1:34:22

establishes a special procedure. Nevertheless,

1:34:25

in violation of the above-mentioned

1:34:27

provisions of criminal procedure

1:34:29

legislation and the legal position of the

1:34:31

Constitutional Court of the Russian

1:34:32

Federation, and in breach of the established

1:34:35

procedure, the court considered the order of the

1:34:36

head of the FSB of Russia for Kirov

1:34:38

Region, who lacked the authority to

1:34:41

apply to the court seeking the issuance of

1:34:42

authorization for the interception of telephone

1:34:44

conversations involving Navalny

1:34:46

and Ofitserov, and issued an unlawful

1:34:48

order authorizing the carrying out of

1:34:50

telephone interception.

1:34:53

In addition, in authorizing the interception of

1:34:55

telephone conversations, the court completely

1:34:57

failed to examine the issues

1:34:59

regarding the lawfulness of bringing before

1:35:01

the court the request for the necessity of

1:35:03

intercepting the telephone conversations of

1:35:05

Navalny and Ofitserov. As is apparent from the

1:35:07

court order, the court was not

1:35:08

presented with, and accordingly did not examine,

1:35:10

the materials,

1:35:16

as well as the lawfulness and substantiation

1:35:19

of the order of the head of the regional FSB office

1:35:21

for Kirov Region on the interception of

1:35:23

telephone conversations involving

1:35:25

Navalny and Ofitserov. In addition,

1:35:27

in authorizing the carrying out of interception of

1:35:28

telephone conversations, the court in its

1:35:30

order gave no assessment whatsoever to the

1:35:33

fact that, in accordance with

1:35:34

Article 151 of the Russian Criminal Procedure Code,

1:35:37

the investigation of criminal cases concerning offences

1:35:39

provided for by Part 4 of Article

1:35:41

159 of the Criminal Code

1:35:44

of the Russian Federation is carried out

1:35:46

by investigators of the internal affairs bodies

1:35:48

of the Russian Federation, and not by investigators

1:35:50

of the Federal Security Service.

1:35:53

Thus, in authorizing the interception of

1:35:55

the telephone conversations of Navalny and

1:35:56

Ofitserov, the court completely abdicated its task

1:35:59

of assessing the lawfulness of the proceedings in

1:36:01

the criminal case within the framework of which

1:36:03

the head of the FSB for Kirov

1:36:05

Region submitted the order

1:36:06

for the interception of the telephone conversations of

1:36:08

Navalny and Ofitserov.

1:36:10

Moreover, the court order does not

1:36:12

contain specific data

1:36:13

confirming the need to intercept

1:36:15

the telephone conversations of Navalny and

1:36:17

Ofitserov. The order merely states:

1:36:19

According to operational information received regarding

1:36:21

the stated facts of unlawful

1:36:23

activity, namely that of Shipov,

1:36:26

information is possessed by the adviser to the

1:36:28

regional governor, Alexei Navalny,

1:36:29

Anatolyevich, and the director of LLC Vyatskaya Lesnaya

1:36:32

Kompaniya, Pyotr Yuryevich Ofitserov.

1:36:34

Considering that, for the documentation and

1:36:36

suppression of the stated unlawful

1:36:37

acts of Shipov, it is necessary to intercept the

1:36:39

telephone communications of Navalny and

1:36:42

Ofitserov, the FSB Directorate of the Russian Federation

1:36:44

for Kirov Region is to be authorized to carry out

1:36:46

the interception of telephone conversations

1:36:48

involving Navalny and Ofitserov, on the

1:36:50

telephones they use, for a period of 180

1:36:53

days.

1:36:54

At the same time, the court did not cite a single

1:36:56

specific circumstance

1:36:57

supporting the assertion that

1:36:59

Navalny and Ofitserov might possess

1:37:01

any information regarding

1:37:03

Shipov's activities. Moreover, Navalny and

1:37:05

Ofitserov were never participants in the

1:37:08

criminal proceedings in the

1:37:09

criminal case within the framework of which

1:37:12

authorization was granted for the

1:37:13

interception of their telephone conversations.

1:37:16

Thus, the judge's order does not

1:37:18

state what materials were

1:37:20

submitted in support of

1:37:21

the need to conduct interception of

1:37:23

the telephone conversations of Navalny and

1:37:24

Ofitserov. What factual information about

1:37:27

Navalny's and Ofitserov's awareness of

1:37:30

Shipov's activities was brought to the

1:37:32

court? Is it possible, on the basis of these

1:37:34

materials, to conclude that the

1:37:36

operational-search measure was lawfully

1:37:38

conducted?

1:37:39

Nevertheless, in the absence of the necessary

1:37:41

information objectively confirming

1:37:43

the need to conduct interception of

1:37:45

the telephone conversations of Navalny and

1:37:46

Ofitserov, the court authorized this

1:37:49

operational-search measure

1:37:51

not only without specifying the numbers of the

1:37:52

telephones to be intercepted, but also

1:37:55

by setting the maximum permissible period

1:37:57

for such interception at 180 days.

1:38:01

It is entirely obvious that all of the

1:38:02

foregoing demonstrates the unlawful nature of

1:38:04

the order adopted on 3

1:38:06

August 2009 by the Kirov Regional

1:38:09

Court granting authorization for the

1:38:11

interception of the telephone

1:38:12

conversations of Navalny and Ofitserov. This

1:38:15

the court ruling is inadmissible

1:38:17

as evidence, since it was issued not

1:38:19

only in violation of the provisions of

1:38:21

the Criminal Procedure Code

1:38:22

of the Russian Federation, but also in violation of

1:38:24

Article 23 of the Constitution and Article

1:38:27

8 of the European Convention for the Protection of

1:38:29

Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and

1:38:32

therefore it cannot be read out at

1:38:33

the court hearing or used

1:38:35

as evidence in this

1:38:37

criminal case. We believe that all

1:38:39

information and materials subsequently obtained,

1:38:41

including rulings,

1:38:44

issued by the head of the FSB Directorate

1:38:47

for Kirov Region, Tryasov,

1:38:49

Volume 12, case file pp. 13–34

1:38:52

and Volume 12, case file pp. 135–136.

1:38:55

Records of the inspection of items and

1:38:57

listening to audio recordings. Volume 12

1:38:59

case file pp. 168–186

1:39:01

and Volume 12, case file pp. 207–209

1:39:04

cover letters forwarding

1:39:06

materials, Volume 13, case file p. 1; Volume 13

1:39:10

case file p. 213

1:39:12

ruling ordering comprehensive

1:39:19

pp. 210–211, Volume 13, case file pp. 195–198

1:39:24

report of the comprehensive forensic audio and

1:39:26

psychological-linguistic examinations

1:39:28

Volume 13, case file pp. 2–18,

1:39:32

Volume 13, case file pp. 214–260, which are based on

1:39:36

data obtained from the interception of

1:39:38

telephone conversations, authorization for

1:39:40

which was unlawfully granted

1:39:42

by the Kirov Regional Court on August 3, 2009,

1:39:45

also cannot be read out at

1:39:47

the court hearing, since they are

1:39:49

inadmissible and cannot be used

1:39:51

as evidence in this

1:39:53

criminal case.

1:39:54

In addition, there are other violations

1:39:57

committed by the investigation that make

1:39:58

it impossible to read out and use in

1:40:01

the evidentiary process the above-mentioned

1:40:03

materials submitted by the prosecution

1:40:04

for examination at the court

1:40:06

hearing.

1:40:08

Thus, according to the ruling of July 19,

1:40:11

2012, by the acting head of the FSB of Russia for

1:40:14

the Kirov Region, Colonel Tryasov,

1:40:16

Volume 12, case file pp. 133–1434,

1:40:20

the following were sent to the Main Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation:

1:40:23

the ruling granting authorization for

1:40:24

the operational-search measure of intercepting telephone

1:40:27

conversations No. 1309/45

1:40:30

dated August 3, 2009, as well as two

1:40:34

CD-R optical discs containing audio

1:40:36

files, which were obtained

1:40:39

allegedly during the course of

1:40:41

the interception of telephone conversations of

1:40:43

Navalny and Ofitserov. In violation of paragraph

1:40:46

17 of the Instruction on the procedure for

1:40:48

submitting the results of

1:40:49

operational-search activity

1:40:51

to an inquiry officer, body of inquiry, investigator,

1:40:53

prosecutor, or court, the ruling does not

1:40:55

specify the individual characteristics

1:40:58

or identifying features of the forwarded

1:41:00

optical discs. There is also no

1:41:03

information about the time and circumstances

1:41:05

in which the attached optical

1:41:07

CD-R discs were obtained, or the measures taken for their

1:41:10

preservation and integrity. Protection against

1:41:13

deformation,

1:41:14

protection against deformation, demagnetization,

1:41:16

fading, erasure, and other risks. Moreover,

1:41:19

the audio recordings were submitted by

1:41:21

the investigation in violation of the provisions of Part

1:41:23

7 of Article 5 of the Federal Law

1:41:26

On Operational-Search Activity,

1:41:27

which provides that

1:41:29

audio recordings and other materials

1:41:31

obtained as a result of intercepting

1:41:33

the telephone and other conversations of persons against whom

1:41:35

no criminal case had been initiated,

1:41:37

must be destroyed within 6

1:41:41

months from the termination of

1:41:43

the interception, and a corresponding

1:41:45

record must be drawn up. Given that

1:41:48

the first criminal case against

1:41:50

Navalny and Ofitserov was initiated

1:41:52

only on May 10, 2011, while authorization for

1:41:56

the interception of telephone conversations

1:41:58

had been issued by the court on August 3, 2009 for

1:42:01

180 days, that is, until January 30, 2010,

1:42:05

then by July 30, 2010 the obtained

1:42:09

audio recordings of the telephone conversations of

1:42:11

Navalny and Ofitserov should have been

1:42:13

destroyed.

1:42:15

Thus, the audio recordings transferred by the FSB for

1:42:17

the Kirov Region to the Main Investigative

1:42:19

Directorate of the Investigative Committee

1:42:20

of the Russian Federation should

1:42:23

have been destroyed in accordance with

1:42:25

the law back in 2010. They

1:42:28

cannot be used as evidence

1:42:30

in this criminal case.

1:42:33

Nevertheless, the unlawfully retained

1:42:35

audio recordings were transferred to the Main

1:42:37

Investigative Directorate of the

1:42:38

Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation. As

1:42:41

follows from the record of inspection and

1:42:42

listening to the audio recording of the conversations

1:42:44

between Navalny and Ofitserov dated August 8, 2012,

1:42:48

Volume 12, case file pp. 168–26,

1:42:52

investigator Platonov of the Main Investigative

1:42:54

Directorate of the Investigative Committee

1:42:55

conducted an inspection and

1:42:58

listening of audio recordings obtained

1:43:00

by officers of the FSB Directorate of Russia for

1:43:03

the Kirov Region in the course of carrying out

1:43:05

operational-search measures

1:43:06

for the interception of telephone conversations,

1:43:09

conducted on the basis of a certain

1:43:10

ruling of the Kirov Regional Court

1:43:13

dated August 4, 2009. The materials of

1:43:16

this criminal case do not contain

1:43:18

the ruling of the Kirov Regional Court

1:43:19

dated August 4, 2009, authorizing

1:43:23

the interception of telephone conversations

1:43:24

of Navalny and Ofitserov. Thus,

1:43:26

the investigators examined and

1:43:28

listened to audio recordings obtained without

1:43:30

judicial authorization. In addition, the

1:43:33

inspection and listening record dated August 8

1:43:35

2012 contains information about

1:43:38

audio recordings stored on compact discs,

1:43:41

in electronic folders titled

1:43:43

050829,

1:43:44

060829,

1:43:46

10829,

1:43:48

11829,

1:43:50

120829, 130829, 15082908290829

1:43:58

260829

1:44:00

0209 929 9 0129

1:44:04

021 10 2009

1:44:07

24129

1:44:09

040210.

1:44:11

At the same time, the order granting

1:44:14

access to the results of operational-search

1:44:16

activities dated July 19, 2012 contains no

1:44:17

information whatsoever indicating that these

1:44:19

electronic folders were present on the compact discs,

1:44:22

which also calls into question

1:44:25

the reliability of the audio recordings

1:44:26

examined and listened to by the investigator.

1:44:29

We particularly note that the case file

1:44:31

contains no confirmation whatsoever of the

1:44:33

proper storage of the audio recordings and

1:44:35

telephone conversations of Navalny and

1:44:37

Ofitserov before their first inspection on August 8,

1:44:40

2012, which gives rise to

1:44:42

well-founded doubts as to their authenticity

1:44:44

and makes any further

1:44:46

use of these audio recordings in this

1:44:48

case impossible.

1:44:49

Moreover, in the order on

1:44:51

the submission of the results of

1:44:52

operational-search activities dated

1:44:54

July 19, 2012, in the inspection and listening record

1:44:58

of the audio recording of the conversations

1:45:00

of Navalny and Ofitserov dated August 8, 2012,

1:45:04

and in the record of inspection of items dated October 17,

1:45:07

2012, differing

1:45:10

descriptions are given of the discs and their individual

1:45:13

features, which cast doubt on

1:45:15

the authenticity of the discs examined by the investigators

1:45:17

and the reliability of the information stored on them.

1:45:20

The case materials

1:45:22

contain no information indicating that

1:45:24

officials of the body

1:45:26

conducting operational-search

1:45:28

activities, as well as the investigation, took

1:45:30

all necessary steps

1:45:32

aimed at preserving the information

1:45:34

contained on the CD-R discs in

1:45:37

its original form, excluding

1:45:38

the possibility of any

1:45:40

alterations or deletions.

1:45:43

Given that the discs are merely

1:45:45

storage media onto which information was copied from another

1:45:47

device, the investigation did not

1:45:49

identify the device on which

1:45:51

the original information is stored.

1:45:53

The order on the submission of

1:45:54

the results of operational-search

1:45:56

measures. In all records of

1:45:58

investigative actions, as well as in the

1:45:59

expert opinion, differing

1:46:02

descriptions are given of the appearance, individual, and

1:46:05

identifying features of the optical

1:46:07

discs containing audio recordings of the telephone

1:46:10

conversations of Navalny and Ofitserov, which

1:46:12

also makes it impossible to present

1:46:14

and examine these materials in court.

1:46:17

The criminal case file contains

1:46:18

only selective fragments of audio recordings

1:46:20

submitted by the investigation

1:46:22

of conversations. The complete audio

1:46:25

files of the telephone conversation recordings are

1:46:27

absent from the criminal case file,

1:46:29

which places the defense in an unequal

1:46:31

position in relation to the prosecution

1:46:33

and gives rise to well-founded

1:46:35

doubts as to the admissibility of the submitted

1:46:37

fragments as evidence in

1:46:39

this criminal case. A full

1:46:42

transcript of the audio recordings of the telephone

1:46:44

conversations of Navalny and Ofitserov could

1:46:46

have contained information showing the non-involvement of

1:46:48

Navalny and Ofitserov in the act imputed to them.

1:46:51

At the pre-trial investigation stage,

1:46:53

Navalny's defense sent

1:46:55

a request to the FSB of the Russian Federation for Kirov Region

1:46:59

asking for a number of items of information,

1:47:01

including the full set of

1:47:04

audio files of the recorded telephone

1:47:06

conversations. However, to date,

1:47:08

the defense has received no response

1:47:10

to this request. In addition, a number

1:47:13

of audio recordings of telephone conversations

1:47:15

submitted by the investigation were

1:47:17

made after the expiry of the 180-day period

1:47:19

set by the Kirov Regional Court.

1:47:22

However, the required court order

1:47:24

granting permission to conduct

1:47:25

the interception of these telephone

1:47:27

conversations is absent. Moreover,

1:47:30

the origin of the discs

1:47:32

listed in the inspection record dated October 17,

1:47:35

2012, Volume 12, case file pages

1:47:38

207–210, is unknown.

1:47:40

According to the record, the investigators

1:47:42

of the investigative team of the Main

1:47:44

Investigative Directorate of the Investigative

1:47:45

Committee of the Russian Federation, Chernykh,

1:47:47

examined items obtained as a result of

1:47:50

the conduct of an

1:47:51

operational-search measure involving

1:47:52

the interception of telephone conversations. At the same time,

1:47:55

the record does not specify when,

1:47:57

by whom, or on what grounds these

1:47:59

operational-search measures were carried out.

1:48:02

The record further states that

1:48:03

an inspection was conducted of one envelope made of

1:48:06

white paper, sealed

1:48:08

with a paper tag bearing an explanatory

1:48:10

inscription reading as follows.

1:48:12

Materials: one optical disc in

1:48:15

the expert opinion dated 15 October 2012

1:48:17

No. 24665f

1:48:20

in criminal case No. 2011 71306811

1:48:25

with the results of operational-search measures, wiretapping of telephone conversations, and two

1:48:28

signatures.

1:48:29

As follows from the record, upon opening

1:48:31

this envelope, not one but

1:48:34

two CDR optical discs were found. However,

1:48:37

according to the cover letter regarding

1:48:39

the forwarding of the expert opinion dated 15

1:48:41

October 2012, Volume 13, page 1 of the case file, from

1:48:46

the expert institution to the Main

1:48:49

Investigative Directorate of the Investigative

1:48:50

Committee, the expert opinion was sent

1:48:52

with appendices and a table, as well

1:48:55

as three optical discs, packed

1:48:57

in three paper envelopes, sealed with

1:49:00

the experts' signatures. Thus, the

1:49:02

above-mentioned materials contain

1:49:05

conflicting information about the number of discs,

1:49:07

their packaging, which indicates

1:49:09

that they were improperly stored and also casts

1:49:12

doubt on the reliability of the

1:49:14

procedural actions described in

1:49:15

the record of inspection of items dated 17

1:49:18

October 2012, which the prosecution has submitted

1:49:21

for reading out and

1:49:23

examination at this court

1:49:24

hearing.

1:49:26

In addition, in the record of inspection

1:49:27

of items/documents dated 17 October 2012

1:49:31

the attesting witnesses who took part

1:49:33

in the inspection of the optical discs

1:49:35

containing audio recordings of telephone

1:49:37

conversations are listed as, first, Yankovich

1:49:40

Vitaly Vyacheslavovich, born 19.02.1992,

1:49:43

residing at the address

1:49:45

Moscow, Volochaevskaya Street, building

1:49:48

4/3, bldg.

1:49:49

4, and Tarasyan Kharen Gakivich

1:49:53

Gaykikovich, born 16 May 1992,

1:49:56

residing at the address

1:49:59

Moscow, Yunatov Street, building 22,

1:50:01

apartment 49. The defense has

1:50:04

information that the attesting witnesses listed

1:50:06

in the record of inspection of items/documents

1:50:09

dated 17 October 2012 do not reside at the addresses

1:50:12

specified in the record

1:50:14

because no such addresses exist in the city of

1:50:17

Moscow. Specifically, the defense maintains that building

1:50:21

No. 4/3

1:50:23

on Volochaevskaya Street in Moscow does not

1:50:26

exist, just as building No.

1:50:28

22 on Yunata Street in Moscow does not exist.

1:50:31

These circumstances are confirmed by

1:50:33

the address directory of the Unified

1:50:35

Information Space of the justices of the peace

1:50:37

of the city of Moscow, posted on

1:50:39

the official website of the Moscow City

1:50:41

Court. In particular, this circumstance

1:50:43

was established as follows. On

1:50:45

the official website of the Moscow City

1:50:46

Court, at the address mozgo.ruru, in the section

1:50:50

"Justices of the Peace of the City of Moscow"

1:50:53

at the address most.ru

1:50:55

there is the portal of the Unified

1:50:56

Information Space of the justices of the peace

1:50:58

of the city of Moscow, in the service module

1:51:00

for territorial jurisdiction.

1:51:02

In the jurisdiction module section, when

1:51:04

entering into the relevant field the address

1:51:07

Volochaevskaya Street, building 4/3, the system

1:51:09

returns the message "No data." Entering

1:51:12

the address Yunatov Street, building 22, the system also

1:51:14

displays the message "No data."

1:51:17

Attached are printouts from the website of the Moscow

1:51:18

City Court on ten pages. In

1:51:21

view of the fact that the record of inspection

1:51:22

of items/documents dated 17 October 2012

1:51:25

contains false information about the

1:51:28

places of residence of the attesting witnesses participating

1:51:29

in this investigative

1:51:31

action, the defense has doubts about

1:51:34

the reliability both of the record itself,

1:51:36

allegedly drawn up with the participation of these

1:51:38

attesting witnesses, and of the information contained in

1:51:40

this record, as well as the integrity and

1:51:43

preservation of the items that

1:51:44

were inspected with the participation of these attesting witnesses.

1:51:48

Based on the foregoing, in

1:51:50

accordance with Article 75 of the

1:51:52

Criminal Procedure Code, Part

1:51:54

2 of Article 50 of the Constitution,

1:51:57

and Article 248 of the Code, we request

1:52:00

first, to find that the following were obtained in

1:52:02

violation of the requirements of the

1:52:03

Criminal Procedure Code of the

1:52:05

Russian Federation and to exclude

1:52:07

their use in the evidentiary process:

1:52:09

the following documents submitted

1:52:10

by the prosecution for examination and

1:52:13

reading out at the court hearing.

1:52:15

Order on the provision of

1:52:16

the results of operational-search activity to the investigator, Volume 12

1:52:19

case file pages 133-134

1:52:21

order on declassification of information

1:52:23

constituting a state secret, Volume

1:52:25

12, case file pages 135-136

1:52:28

ruling of the Kirov Regional Court

1:52:30

dated 3 August 2009 granting authorization for

1:52:33

the interception of telephone

1:52:34

conversations, Volume 12, case file page 137

1:52:38

record of inspection and listening to

1:52:40

the audio recording of conversations involving Navalny

1:52:42

and Ofitserov, Volume 12, case file pages 168-206

1:52:46

record of inspection of items dated 17 October

1:52:49

2012, Volume 12, case file pages 207-209

1:52:53

order dated 24 August 2012 on

1:52:56

the appointment of a comprehensive phonoscopic

1:52:58

expert examination, Volume 12, case file pages 210-211

1:53:01

phonoscopic expert opinion

1:53:03

Volume 13, case file pages 2-158

1:53:06

order dated 28 November 2012 on

1:53:09

the appointment of a comprehensive

1:53:10

forensic psychological and linguistic

1:53:12

expert examination, Volume 13, sheets 195–198.

1:53:16

Conclusion of the comprehensive

1:53:17

forensic psychological and linguistic

1:53:19

expert examination. Volume 13, sheets 214–260.

1:53:23

Second.

1:53:25

Order the FSB Directorate of Russia for Kirov Region

1:53:27

to provide the following information.

1:53:30

When, during what period, was the

1:53:32

wiretapping of the telephone conversations

1:53:34

of Navalny and Ofitserov carried out? What grounds existed

1:53:36

for wiretapping the telephone conversations

1:53:38

of Navalny and Ofitserov? What

1:53:41

technical means were used

1:53:43

to record the telephone conversations

1:53:44

of Navalny and Ofitserov? On what media

1:53:47

is the original recording of the audio files

1:53:50

the telephone conversations of Navalny

1:53:51

and Ofitserov’s kept? What measures were taken

1:53:54

to preserve the audio files obtained

1:53:56

as a result of wiretapping the telephone

1:53:57

conversations of Navalny and Ofitserov?

1:54:00

Were copies made of the audio files

1:54:01

obtained as a result of wiretapping

1:54:03

the telephone conversations of Navalny and

1:54:05

Ofitserov? When, by whom, and on whose

1:54:07

instructions were the audio files transcribed?

1:54:10

obtained as a result of wiretapping

1:54:11

the telephone conversations of Navalny

1:54:13

and Ofitserov. Which audio files and other

1:54:16

materials were destroyed in compliance with

1:54:18

the requirements of Part 7 of Article 5

1:54:21

of the Federal Law on

1:54:22

Operational Search Activity? The judge

1:54:25

of which court was notified of the destruction

1:54:27

of the audio files and materials obtained in the course

1:54:29

of carrying out, in relation to Navalny

1:54:31

and Ofitserov, operational-search

1:54:33

measures? When were operational records files

1:54:35

opened in relation to Navalny and Ofitserov,

1:54:37

and also the dates

1:54:39

on which those operational records files were closed.

1:54:42

Third. Request from the FSB Directorate of Russia for

1:54:46

Kirov Region the operational records files

1:54:48

concerning Navalny and Ofitserov,

1:54:51

as well as all audio files of recordings

1:54:53

of telephone conversations obtained

1:54:55

in the course of carrying out, in relation to Navalny

1:54:57

and Ofitserov, operational-search

1:54:59

measures.

1:55:01

I ask that the motion and its attachments

1:55:03

be added to the case materials.

1:55:08

>> 28 minutes.

1:55:09

>> How many?

1:55:10

>> 28 minutes. I have to stand there

1:55:13

>> it’s hot

1:55:14

>> that word

1:55:16

>> this attachment, is it an extract from the website

1:55:19

correct?

1:55:20

>> this attachment is printed from the website of the Moscow

1:55:22

City Court, yes, so that there would be no

1:55:24

need to call; we have indicated there

1:55:27

how we opened

1:55:30

the addresses on that website, and how

1:55:32

we obtained these printouts.

1:55:39

The defense’s position on the motion submitted

1:55:41

to add documents to the case materials

1:55:44

and on the motion submitted

1:55:46

by the applicant.

1:55:48

>> I support the motion and ask that

1:55:49

the materials be added, and I would like to draw

1:55:51

the court’s attention to one important detail: that

1:55:56

the wiretapping of my telephone

1:55:57

conversations was conducted within the framework of the criminal

1:56:00

case against Shipov. In that criminal

1:56:02

case I was never interrogated, never

1:56:04

questioned, never involved even as a witness

1:56:06

in any capacity whatsoever. The case has already ended.

1:56:08

This Shipov was convicted, convicted. Never

1:56:12

not for a single second did I have anything

1:56:15

to do with his case. And therefore, as

1:56:17

stated in the motion, as is now

1:56:19

completely obvious, the FSB officers,

1:56:21

simply wanting to legalize the unlawfully

1:56:24

conducted wiretapping of telephone

1:56:26

conversations, dragged in, by the ears,

1:56:28

a criminal case, and within the framework of that

1:56:30

criminal case obtained a court order

1:56:32

authorizing the wiretap, although they did not

1:56:34

provide any evidence that

1:56:37

I had any connection to that case, which

1:56:38

was later confirmed during

1:56:40

the consideration of Shipov’s criminal case.

1:56:45

Please, go on. I support

1:56:47

the defense motion.

1:56:52

>> Your Honor, I also support

1:56:53

the defense motion. I ask that the motion itself

1:56:56

and the submitted document

1:56:58

be added to the materials of the criminal case

1:57:00

and

1:57:02

that this motion be granted.

1:57:06

>> Kobzev, please. I support

1:57:09

the defense.

1:57:16

>> the prosecution’s position

1:57:18

>> Your Honor, we do not object to

1:57:19

adding to the case materials

1:57:22

the motion and its attachments, but as to the arguments

1:57:25

set out in the motion, an assessment

1:57:26

of those arguments should be given only

1:57:28

directly after examining the

1:57:30

evidence on which the defense insisted

1:57:32

and which it asks to have declared inadmissible.

1:57:36

Your opinion?

1:57:36

>> I agree, Your Honor, since

1:57:38

the defense has objections both to the

1:57:39

form and the substance of the said

1:57:41

evidence, and therefore it is necessary to give

1:57:43

them an assessment after examination. Your Honor, I would

1:57:46

like to clarify on this point: what has been alleged

1:57:48

are precisely violations concerning the procedure

1:57:51

for obtaining this evidence,

1:57:55

which the prosecution

1:57:56

wishes to present. I believe that even if

1:58:00

some examination is possible, then only insofar

1:58:02

as, for example, it concerns

1:58:04

the ruling of the Kirov Regional

1:58:06

Court, it is entirely possible to see, uh,

1:58:09

by reading out two lines, one at the top, that

1:58:12

the authorization was granted within the framework of

1:58:13

of the initiated criminal case, and below

1:58:16

before it ruled, when the court relied on

1:58:19

the articles of the federal law on

1:58:22

operational-search activity, rather than

1:58:24

the Criminal Procedure Code. For

1:58:26

that, reading out the entire document is not

1:58:28

required.

1:58:28

>> That is what concerns the ruling. Although

1:58:30

you are forgetting that the court

1:58:32

>> likewise, the other materials can also

1:58:35

be read out in part.

1:58:36

>> Nothing prevents the court from doing so if

1:58:39

it considers it possible. Likewise,

1:58:41

it may examine them and satisfy itself that

1:58:42

the quotations have been presented by us correctly, just as

1:58:46

they appear in the materials of the criminal

1:58:49

case. For that, there is absolutely no need to read out all the records

1:58:52

in full, nor should that be done.

1:58:54

Your Honor, I would also like to raise

1:58:56

objections. First of all, I do not

1:58:59

understand this supposed connection

1:59:01

that the prosecution sees between

1:59:03

stating its position

1:59:04

regarding the motion we have filed

1:59:06

and the need for

1:59:07

examining these documents. Your

1:59:10

Honor, examination of these documents

1:59:11

is possible only if they are recognized as

1:59:13

admissible evidence—namely,

1:59:15

their examination. For the prosecution

1:59:17

to state its position, if of course it

1:59:19

has never seen these documents before, it can

1:59:21

state its position on

1:59:23

the motion. It is sufficient simply to review

1:59:25

these documents without examining them as evidence,

1:59:27

because only those

1:59:29

documentary items of evidence can be examined which

1:59:31

are ultimately recognized as admissible

1:59:33

evidence in the case. In addition,

1:59:35

I would like to refer to

1:59:39

the procedure for resolving this kind of

1:59:41

motion. Under Article 88, Part

1:59:44

4, under these provisions, the court has the right

1:59:48

to declare evidence inadmissible

1:59:51

upon a motion by the parties or

1:59:53

on its own initiative, in the manner

1:59:56

provided for by Articles 234 and 235

1:59:59

of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation. As we all know—I mean

2:00:01

the participants in these proceedings—

2:00:03

Articles 234 and 235,

2:00:07

set out the procedure for declaring

2:00:09

evidence inadmissible.

2:00:12

And these provisions are set out in the chapter on

2:00:15

the conduct of the preliminary hearing. I

2:00:17

would remind the respected prosecution and

2:00:21

the respected court that at the stage of the

2:00:23

preliminary hearing, evidence

2:00:25

is not examined,

2:00:28

and to state a position on the motion filed,

2:00:30

it is, generally speaking, enough to

2:00:33

review the document that

2:00:35

the prosecution considers

2:00:37

to be evidence. Moreover,

2:00:40

Article 271, Parts 1 and 2,

2:00:44

also provides that the court

2:00:50

must consider the motion filed

2:00:51

and, after that motion has been filed,

2:00:56

motion

2:00:58

discuss the parties’ positions with them and

2:01:00

retire to the deliberation room and issue

2:01:02

a decision on the motion filed.

2:01:04

The law says nothing about

2:01:06

evidence having to be examined. And

2:01:08

as things stand now, the prosecution

2:01:10

is,

2:01:13

by saying that we must first

2:01:15

examine this evidence, trying

2:01:17

in this way, after all, to have this

2:01:18

evidence introduced.

2:01:21

And once introduced, this

2:01:23

evidence will, most likely,

2:01:25

ultimately make its way into the judgment. Later

2:01:28

the court will formally retire to the

2:01:30

deliberation room and issue

2:01:31

a formal ruling that everything

2:01:33

is fine, everything is admissible. Therefore,

2:01:35

Your Honor, let us not

2:01:36

examine the evidence. If

2:01:39

the prosecution needs

2:01:41

to be reminded of what exactly is contained in

2:01:44

a particular volume of the criminal case file, on

2:01:46

a particular page of the criminal case file, we

2:01:48

can review that evidence. In addition,

2:01:51

I would like to note that in

2:01:52

Khadats Mikhailova, the issue concerns

2:01:54

procedural matters. And in Khadasto

2:01:57

Mikhailova, in addition to procedural

2:01:59

matters, the issue is also that the attesting witnesses

2:02:02

who were present during the inspection of

2:02:04

the items are listed as attesting witnesses

2:02:07

who do not exist, since they allegedly reside

2:02:09

at non-existent addresses in Moscow. And,

2:02:11

strictly speaking, in this case

2:02:15

the prosecution should not now

2:02:17

be examining this evidence, but should stand up

2:02:20

and try somehow to rebut our

2:02:22

arguments, since in this case the burden of

2:02:24

rebuttal lies with them. Therefore,

2:02:26

Your Honor, I ask the court to decide

2:02:29

the defense motion without examining

2:02:32

the document as evidence.

2:02:37

The court

2:02:39

considers it necessary to determine whether

2:02:40

the defense has any further motions to have evidence declared inadmissible.

2:02:43

A list has been provided to you.

2:02:45

Can you file all of those motions now?

2:02:48

All of them? No, Your Honor, we

2:02:50

cannot file all of those motions,

2:02:52

because we want to hear your

2:02:54

ruling on the motion already filed,

2:02:56

because, because on that depends

2:02:57

whether the defense will, in fact, have

2:03:00

any further motions; in the event that

2:03:02

you grant our motion in full or in

2:03:04

part, there will be no

2:03:06

further motions.

2:03:09

The court has heard the parties’ positions

2:03:13

and notes:

2:03:15

that the defense is taking upon itself

2:03:17

a function not inherent to it in conducting

2:03:20

the trial. By filing

2:03:23

motions whenever it sees fit, it disrupts

2:03:26

the consideration of the criminal case

2:03:29

by the defense. In accordance with Article

2:03:31

271 of the Criminal Procedure Code

2:03:33

of the Russian Federation, during the preparatory

2:03:35

part of the court hearing, the parties were

2:03:36

invited to submit motions, including

2:03:38

motions to have evidence declared

2:03:39

inadmissible. At that time, the defense

2:03:41

did not make such a motion. Now,

2:03:45

by choosing at its own discretion when and

2:03:47

how to make such motions, it is effectively

2:03:51

depriving the prosecution of the opportunity to present

2:03:53

evidence. The court reminds the defense

2:03:55

that this motion, um,

2:03:58

may, in accordance with Article 271,

2:04:02

um, be resolved later if the court has already

2:04:04

previously denied this

2:04:07

motion. Nevertheless, the court

2:04:09

is considering your motions because

2:04:11

they are relevant to the criminal case.

2:04:13

However, the procedure

2:04:15

the court considers it necessary

2:04:17

to establish as follows.

2:04:19

The prosecution is currently

2:04:21

presenting evidence.

2:04:24

After that, the court, having heard— that is, not

2:04:28

the defense may earlier submit

2:04:31

a motion to declare evidence inadmissible,

2:04:33

but as for the examination of the written materials

2:04:35

of the case, since all the motions contain

2:04:37

references to this evidence, the court

2:04:39

will hear all motions seeking to have this

2:04:41

evidence declared inadmissible and will decide

2:04:43

them only after examining all of these

2:04:46

written materials.

2:04:48

>> Your Honor, I object to your actions.

2:04:50

>> Go ahead.

2:04:51

I believe that in this case you are

2:04:53

demonstrating one-sidedness in

2:04:56

the conduct of the trial and

2:04:59

are trying to restrict the rights of the defense. I

2:05:01

believe that, uh, the defense should have had

2:05:06

the opportunity to make all of its motions

2:05:08

to have evidence

2:05:09

declared inadmissible, including at the stage of

2:05:12

preliminary hearings. But I want

2:05:14

to remind the court that the court

2:05:16

denied us the holding of

2:05:18

preliminary hearings in this

2:05:20

criminal case, having already decided in advance

2:05:23

that all defense motions that should

2:05:25

have been made at the stage of the preliminary

2:05:27

hearing were of no interest to the court and were

2:05:29

not significant for the court. In addition,

2:05:31

the procedure that you

2:05:32

have proposed, Your Honor, contradicts

2:05:34

the Criminal Procedure Code. I want to remind the court that a motion to

2:05:39

have evidence declared inadmissible and

2:05:41

to exclude that evidence from

2:05:42

the body of evidence may

2:05:45

be made, including at the stage of

2:05:47

the presentation of evidence by the

2:05:49

prosecution. I want to remind the court

2:05:51

that the prosecution has repeatedly

2:05:53

changed the order of presenting

2:05:54

evidence. Moreover, as

2:05:57

the prosecution demonstrated to us today,

2:05:58

in particular with regard to

2:06:00

the questioning of witness Baranov, uh, first

2:06:04

we were going to question the witness, then we

2:06:06

were not going to question the witness. The

2:06:08

defense might well have made

2:06:11

these motions earlier if the order

2:06:13

of examining the evidence had been clear.

2:06:16

In addition, I consider

2:06:18

to be unlawful, unfounded, and

2:06:20

unfair the constraints within which you are

2:06:21

trying to place the defense. I

2:06:24

believe that we have the right

2:06:27

to make this motion, including

2:06:29

right now. We have the right to make this motion

2:06:32

in due course, as

2:06:34

the prosecution presents its

2:06:35

evidence. And the fact that the court

2:06:38

is now trying to impose on us the view

2:06:41

that we should now examine all

2:06:42

the evidence,

2:06:45

and only afterward, uh, closer to closing arguments,

2:06:47

the court will presumably deal with

2:06:49

the admissibility of that evidence— this

2:06:51

position of the court is

2:06:53

unlawful; it contradicts the Criminal Procedure Code,

2:06:55

therefore the defense will make

2:06:57

these motions, uh, to have

2:06:59

evidence declared inadmissible and to

2:07:01

exclude this evidence from

2:07:02

the body of evidence as

2:07:04

the evidence is presented by the

2:07:05

prosecution. That is all.

2:07:09

>> The court has already stated its position, and in that position

2:07:13

I have already said that yes,

2:07:16

the defense has the right to make such

2:07:18

motions. However, they will be decided

2:07:20

after the written materials of the

2:07:22

case have been examined.

2:07:22

>> A motion must be decided after it is

2:07:23

made, Your Honor.

2:07:25

>> Please read me the provision of law

2:07:27

that says that a mo-

2:07:29

motion must be decided

2:07:31

immediately. We are in the middle of—

2:07:33

>> Your Honor, Article 121 of the Criminal Proce-

2:07:34

dure Code clearly states that

2:07:36

it shall be decided immediately

2:07:40

>> Postponement is possible only

2:07:41

>> Article 121

2:07:43

>> 121, part one, yes

2:07:44

>> Postponement is possible only at the stage of

2:07:46

the preliminary investigation; in court it is

2:07:49

considered

2:07:51

We’ll see.

2:07:53

means—

2:07:55

>> These are just some strange rules

2:07:56

for this hearing.

2:08:01

The motion is subject to consideration and

2:08:03

resolution immediately after it is

2:08:05

made.

2:08:09

Second.

2:08:12

>> Understood. This rule applies to

2:08:13

the preliminary investigation.

2:08:15

We now proceed to the examination of

2:08:18

the written case materials submitted

2:08:20

by the prosecution. The motion will

2:08:22

be decided; the request to have them declared inadmissible

2:08:24

as evidence will be resolved

2:08:26

immediately after these

2:08:27

items of evidence have been examined. Your motion in part

2:08:30

consists of that.

2:08:31

Yes, understood.

2:08:33

>> It is not only about exclusion there,

2:08:39

>> not only exclusion, but also about

2:08:40

requesting materials.

2:08:41

>> Yes, I understood.

2:08:43

In fact, I have not yet ruled on your

2:08:45

motion at this time.

2:08:48

Now then, since you are currently asking

2:08:51

to have attached,

2:08:53

and to require the FSB of Russia

2:08:55

to provide information,

2:08:57

the merits of this motion of yours

2:08:59

must also be verified on the basis of

2:09:01

the evidence already contained in the case file,

2:09:03

and therefore this

2:09:05

motion will also be decided after

2:09:07

these written materials have been examined.

2:09:12

All right, prosecution, please proceed.

2:09:22

Yes,

2:09:36

Volume 12, page 1334 of the case file is being read out:

2:09:40

a ruling on the submission of

2:09:42

the results of operational-search

2:09:43

activities to the inquiry officer, the body of inquiry,

2:09:45

the investigator, the prosecutor, and the court. City of

2:09:47

Kirov, July 19, 2012. Acting

2:09:50

head of the FSB Directorate Tryasov

2:09:53

established that, within the framework of the inspection being conducted in

2:09:54

relation to Navalny, Alexei

2:09:56

Anatolyevich,

2:09:57

and Pyotr Yuryevich Ofitserov, adviser to the governor of Kirov

2:09:59

Region,

2:10:01

director of LLC Vyatka Timber Company,

2:10:02

data were obtained indicating the infliction of

2:10:03

property damage to KOGUP Kirovles (a regional state-owned enterprise)

2:10:06

as a result of carrying out an

2:10:07

operational-search measure,

2:10:08

namely the interception of telephone conversations,

2:10:10

conducted on the basis of authorization from

2:10:12

the Kirov Regional Court, No. 1309/45,

2:10:15

dated August 3, 2009. Data were obtained showing that

2:10:18

Navalny, by deception, persuaded

2:10:20

the general director of KOGUP Kirovles, Opalev,

2:10:21

to sign a contract disadvantageous to the enterprise

2:10:23

with his Vyatka Timber Company,

2:10:24

of which Ofitserov is the director. On April 15,

2:10:27

2009, Opalev signed

2:10:29

a contract knowingly disadvantageous to the enterprise,

2:10:30

Contract No. 01/29SO.

2:10:33

Under this contract, Vyatka Timber Company, pursuant to which

2:10:35

KOGUP Kirovles, during the period from

2:10:36

May through September 2009, supplied

2:10:38

timber products to consignees

2:10:39

at below-market prices, rather than KOGUP Kirovles doing so directly.

2:10:41

This caused damage on a large scale.

2:10:44

And taking the above into account,

2:10:46

guided by Article 11

2:10:47

of the Federal Law on Operational-Search Activity and paragraph

2:10:49

10 of the Instruction on the Procedure for

2:10:50

Submitting the Results of Operational-Search

2:10:52

Activity, I hereby order that the available

2:10:54

results of operational-search

2:10:55

activity be sent to the Main

2:10:56

Investigative Directorate of the Investigative

2:10:57

Committee of Russia, together with the following materials:

2:10:59

first, the ruling on declassifying information constituting

2:11:01

state secrets and their media;

2:11:03

second,

2:11:04

the ruling granting authorization for

2:11:06

the operational measure of telephone interception

2:11:08

on one page;

2:11:11

third, an optical disc containing

2:11:15

audio files in WAV format, obtained

2:11:18

during the operational-search

2:11:19

measure carried out in relation to Navalny and

2:11:21

Ofitserov, namely the interception of telephone

2:11:22

conversations on the basis of the above-mentioned

2:11:24

court authorization. Packed in a paper

2:11:27

envelope with the explanatory label

2:11:28

"Results of the operational measure: telephone interception." Sealed with a paper

2:11:30

strip bearing the impression of a wax

2:11:32

seal. Federal Security Service

2:11:33

Directorate for Kirov Region, for

2:11:35

package No. 1. Fourth, an optical disc

2:11:37

CD-R, also with audio files, two

2:11:39

files.

2:11:41

They were also obtained on the basis of

2:11:43

court authorization as a result of the operational-search

2:11:46

measure of telephone interception

2:11:47

in relation to Navalny

2:11:48

and Ofitserov. Likewise, this disc

2:11:50

is packed in a paper envelope with

2:11:52

the explanatory label "Results of the operational measure: telephone interception,"

2:11:53

sealed with a paper strip bearing the impression

2:11:55

of the wax seal of the FSB of Russia. Fifth,

2:11:59

a transcript of the audio recordings of the conversations,

2:12:00

obtained during the operational-search

2:12:02

measure of telephone interception

2:12:03

in relation to

2:12:04

Navalny and Ofitserov on the basis of

2:12:05

the ruling of the Kirov Regional Court,

2:12:08

on thirty pages, signed by Tryasov.

2:12:12

Pages 135–136 of this volume of the case file are

2:12:15

the ruling on declassifying information

2:12:17

constituting a state secret and their

2:12:19

media.

2:12:21

In that year, the acting head of the FSB Directorate of Russia

2:12:25

for Kirov Region, Colonel Tryasov,

2:12:28

ordered the declassification of the following

2:12:30

operational-service documents

2:12:32

relating to operational-search

2:12:33

activity for attachment to criminal case

2:12:35

No. 2011/713068

2:12:38

-11, initiated on May 10, 2011,

2:12:42

by its head of the Main Investigative

2:12:43

of the Shchukino Investigative Committee department

2:12:45

on suspicion of a crime

2:12:46

provided for by paragraph "b" of part three

2:12:48

of Article 165 with respect to Navalny

2:12:49

Ofitserov, namely a disc containing audio

2:12:53

files.

2:12:55

Second, also a disc with two audio

2:12:57

files. Third, a transcript

2:12:59

of the audio recordings and conversations obtained

2:13:01

during an operational-search

2:13:02

measure involving the interception of telephone

2:13:03

conversations. A total of thirty pages

2:13:06

signed by the three judges.

2:13:09

Next, volume twelve, page twelve,

2:13:12

I beg your pardon, the case file pages. Case file page

2:13:13

137,

2:13:15

uh, that is, the ruling granting

2:13:18

authorization to conduct interception of

2:13:20

telephone conversations, uh, Kirov,

2:13:23

August 3, 2009. On this page of the

2:13:26

case file there is a declassification stamp, bearing

2:13:28

the stamp of the Kirov Regional Court,

2:13:30

outgoing number 1309/45

2:13:33

in the upper right corner: secret

2:13:34

copy number one. The chairman of the

2:13:36

Kirov Regional Court, Barmin,

2:13:38

having reviewed the order of the head

2:13:40

>> August 3, 29—I said, the chairman

2:13:43

of the Kirov Regional Court, Barmin,

2:13:45

having reviewed the order of the head of the FSB Directorate

2:13:47

of Russia for the Kirov Region regarding

2:13:48

the interception of telephone conversations

2:13:50

being conducted by Navalny and Ofitserov, established that in the

2:13:53

FSB Directorate of Russia for the Kirov

2:13:54

Region there are operational inquiry materials

2:13:56

concerning the head

2:13:58

of the project for the regional targeted program

2:13:59

for the development of the timber industry

2:14:01

complex of the Kirov Region for 2009–2015,

2:14:03

Roman Borisovich Shipov, born on February 28,

2:14:06

1978,

2:14:09

who extorted from the director of Pisprom

2:14:13

in Moscow, Burdin, money in the amount

2:14:15

of about 1.5 million rubles for

2:14:16

approval of the program developed by the institute

2:14:18

and payment of contracts. On

2:14:20

this fact, on June 23, 2009,

2:14:23

the FSB investigative department, with respect to

2:14:24

Shipov, initiated criminal case

2:14:26

No. 320-32 on suspicion of a crime

2:14:29

provided for by part three of Article

2:14:31

30 and part four of Article 159

2:14:33

of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

2:14:34

According to the operational data received, regarding

2:14:37

the stated facts of unlawful

2:14:38

activity, there is information implicating

2:14:40

the regional governor’s adviser, Navalny

2:14:42

Alexei Anatolyevich, uh, as well as Ofitserov

2:14:45

Pyotr Yuryevich. Materials have been obtained

2:14:47

that indicate the presence in the actions

2:14:48

of Shipov of elements of a crime

2:14:50

provided for by part four of Article

2:14:51

159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, belonging to the category

2:14:54

of serious offenses. Considering that, for

2:14:55

the documentation and suppression of the stated

2:14:57

unlawful acts of Shipov, it is necessary

2:15:00

to intercept the telephone conversations of Navalny

2:15:02

and Ofitserov, guided by Article 20

2:15:03

3 of the Constitution of the Russian

2:15:05

Federation, Articles 6 and 7 of the law on

2:15:07

the Russian Federation on

2:15:08

operational-search activity

2:15:09

ruled to authorize the FSB Directorate

2:15:11

of the Russian Federation for the Kirov

2:15:13

Region to conduct

2:15:18

for 180 days. There are no grounds preventing

2:15:21

the conduct

2:15:22

of these

2:15:24

interceptions. Chairman

2:15:26

of the Kirov Regional Court, Barmen.

2:15:27

A signature is present

2:15:30

6826.

2:15:33

>> So, volume

2:15:37

dash 206.

2:15:39

>> So, we are required to decide the issue

2:15:42

of holding this in open or closed,

2:15:43

of announcing this document in open

2:15:45

or closed court session.

2:15:49

In accordance with Article 241, part

2:15:51

four, the reading out of this document, as well

2:15:54

as the playback of the audio recording

2:15:56

is possible only with the consent

2:16:00

of the defendants in this situation.

2:16:04

Please state your views on this issue.

2:16:07

>> Uh, Your Honor, I still do not change

2:16:10

my position regarding the legality

2:16:12

of these audio recordings. Uh, however, I do not,

2:16:16

if it has come to this, I do not

2:16:18

object to their being read out and even

2:16:20

welcome their being presented specifically in

2:16:22

open court, since

2:16:23

these audio recordings, despite the large amount

2:16:26

of, unfortunately, obscene

2:16:28

language, fully, uh, support

2:16:33

my claim of innocence. I

2:16:35

would like to apologize in advance to those

2:16:37

present in the courtroom and to those who

2:16:39

are listening to the broadcast, for

2:16:42

various

2:16:44

strong expressions. Thank you,

2:16:48

>> Your Honor. I also join in

2:16:51

saying that, uh, I consider these

2:16:55

pieces of evidence unlawful, in

2:16:57

principle, but I am not against their

2:17:01

being read out at this court hearing.

2:17:04

I also apologize for the obscene

2:17:08

language.

2:17:14

>> Do the parties wish to speak on this

2:17:17

issue—the prosecution’s view? Well, uh,

2:17:19

since the defendants have expressed their wish

2:17:22

for the examination of the inspection report of the

2:17:24

interception of telephone conversations in

2:17:26

open court, since

2:17:28

we also stated that after

2:17:31

examining the inspection report and

2:17:32

listening to the intercepted telephone conversations

2:17:34

the physical evidence will be examined—

2:17:35

the CDs containing

2:17:37

audio recordings of the telephone

2:17:38

conversations themselves, then in principle we do not

2:17:41

object to holding it in an open

2:17:43

court hearing. The only thing I

2:17:44

asked of the people who are carrying out

2:17:46

the television broadcast, was to warn that

2:17:49

there will, well, be non-standard language,

2:17:52

which we discussed earlier, namely that

2:17:54

the broadcast must include

2:17:55

a 17+ information label in order to comply with

2:17:58

federal law.

2:18:00

>> We support that.

2:18:02

the defense counsel's position. Please.

2:18:04

>> I will state the general, general position, Your

2:18:06

Honor, despite the fact that our view

2:18:08

regarding the possibility of examining this

2:18:10

document in full has not

2:18:12

changed, uh, compared with what was stated

2:18:14

earlier, uh, well, the colleagues have come to

2:18:17

this,

2:18:19

>> we, generally speaking, do not object to

2:18:20

the examination of this document

2:18:22

>> in open

2:18:23

>> in open court. Yes.

2:18:27

>> Defense counsel Mikhailo,

2:18:29

>> I support the colleagues who spoke earlier.

2:18:33

And for my part, I would like to note

2:18:36

the contents of the federal law on

2:18:38

the state language. And I believe that

2:18:41

the representatives of the investigation will probably refrain

2:18:44

from violating this

2:18:48

provision of the law, which does not

2:18:50

allow procedural documents to

2:18:52

use non-standard language and

2:18:54

obscene expressions.

2:18:58

I support it; I consider it possible in open

2:19:00

session.

2:19:01

>> I support it. In connection with

2:19:04

defense counsel's statement, we would like to draw

2:19:05

attention to the fact that wherever there is

2:19:07

non-standard language, we will also

2:19:09

use the phrase "obscene word," that is,

2:19:11

we will replace it with that term

2:19:14

...

2:19:15

>> What will you do?

2:19:16

>> Say "obscene word," rather than the obscene

2:19:18

word itself.

2:19:19

>> You will, you will say

2:19:20

>> Yes, we will not

2:19:21

>> You will say the words "obscene word"?

2:19:22

>> No, we will use the term "obscene

2:19:24

word," that is, we will not say— that is,

2:19:26

the obscene word itself. Yes.

2:19:29

>> But then how are we supposed to examine it?

2:19:32

Is there any way?

2:19:33

>> But we proposed not to examine it.

2:19:34

>> We proposed not to examine it.

2:19:36

If our motion had been considered, there would not

2:19:38

have been these problems. We said so.

2:19:39

>> Yes.

2:19:41

>> Accordingly, the court makes the following ruling.

2:19:44

To read out in open court

2:19:46

the report on the inspection and listening to

2:19:47

the audio recording of Navalny's conversations

2:19:49

with Ofitserov. At the same time, uh, the prosecution

2:19:52

is not entitled to use obscene

2:19:54

expressions when reading it out. First. When

2:19:56

listening to the audio recording,

2:19:59

uh, the court considers it necessary, for the duration of

2:20:04

the playing of the audio recordings, since

2:20:07

they do indeed contain

2:20:08

non-standard language, that

2:20:10

the mass media

2:20:12

that are making

2:20:14

uh, a video recording of the court

2:20:16

proceedings,

2:20:18

must display an age-restriction notice for

2:20:20

access to this information.

2:20:25

We move on to the announcement. You have volume twelve.

2:20:27

Please.

2:20:31

Excuse me. Or will it be read out by

2:20:33

the representative of the prosecution? We simply did not

2:20:34

understand.

2:20:35

>> The prosecution said that after

2:20:37

the reading of the report and

2:20:39

listening to the audio recordings, they

2:20:41

also propose playing this audio recording,

2:20:44

to compare what is written in the report

2:20:48

with the audio recording. Including

2:20:50

in your motion there were phrases to the effect

2:20:52

that these audio recordings contain only excerpts.

2:20:55

They contain only excerpts.

2:20:58

This information should also be verified.

2:21:00

>> Your Honor, do you remember that we

2:21:01

agreed to let us go at 1:00 p.m.?

2:21:04

>> We are now moving on to— this issue was not

2:21:05

discussed.

2:21:08

>> Really?

2:21:09

>> Let's discuss it.

2:21:10

>> Let's discuss it. We have the Pervomaysky District Court

2:21:13

documents. Yes.

2:21:16

>> We did not discuss this issue.

2:21:17

Indeed, before the court hearing

2:21:19

defense counsel Kobelev informed me that

2:21:21

at 2:00 p.m. in the Pervomaysky District Court there is, uh, scheduled

2:21:25

a court hearing to consider

2:21:28

the complaint of Navalny and attorney Kobelev.

2:21:31

But in the court hearing we did not

2:21:33

discuss this issue.

2:21:34

>> Let's do that.

2:21:34

>> So, well, first of all. I would like to clarify

2:21:37

that right away.

2:21:40

>> Did you inform the Pervomaysky District Court

2:21:42

that this criminal case would be heard today?

2:21:43

And not only did I inform them,

2:21:46

I directly said, in the presence of

2:21:48

the press, to the judge that Judge Blinov would be

2:21:51

very unhappy with you, because we have

2:21:52

hearings scheduled at the same time. She said in

2:21:54

response, "I spoke by phone with

2:21:55

Judge Blinov, everything has been clarified, and we

2:21:58

reached an understanding." That's it.

2:22:03

>> A very interesting situation. You are really putting me

2:22:05

in a difficult position with your

2:22:07

statements. I do not know whether you are

2:22:08

telling the truth right now or not. There were

2:22:10

a large number of media outlets there, and there

2:22:13

was no video recording, but nevertheless

2:22:15

There were a large number of witnesses. Still,

2:22:18

>> we will not discuss these issues.

2:22:22

Indeed, lawyer Kobelev

2:22:25

showed a summons issued in Navalny's name to

2:22:28

the Pervomaisky District Court for 2:00 p.m.

2:22:30

today.

2:22:33

The court will take a recess in the hearing

2:22:37

at 1:00 p.m. Or at least,

2:22:40

after examining the inspection record and

2:22:42

listening to the audio recording; that will

2:22:45

probably take some time.

2:22:47

Then the audio recordings themselves

2:22:50

will be listened to after the recess.

2:22:53

Please.

2:23:00

>> Volume two, case file pages 168 through 206 are being read into the record

2:23:07

with omissions.

2:23:08

regarding the audio files that became

2:23:12

the basis for the subsequent conduct of

2:23:13

both acoustic and

2:23:15

psychological-linguistic expert examinations, namely

2:23:17

five files.

2:23:19

Record of inspection and listening. City of

2:23:21

Moscow, August 8, 2012, begun at 3:05 p.m.

2:23:25

and concluded at 5:30 p.m. Investigator

2:23:27

of the investigative team of the Main

2:23:28

Investigative Directorate of the Investigative

2:23:29

Committee, Platonov, in the presence of attesting witnesses

2:23:31

Anton Igorevich Dyakonov and Zheleznikov

2:23:33

Yury Nikolayevich

2:23:36

carried out, that is, in office

2:23:39

No. 630 of the Main Investigative

2:23:41

Directorate at the address: Moscow, Tekhnichesky

2:23:43

Lane, building 2, as part of the investigation of

2:23:45

criminal case No. 2011/713068

2:23:48

-1 11.

2:23:50

Uh, this investigative action, namely

2:23:54

the inspection and listening, was conducted

2:23:57

within the framework of operational-search

2:24:00

measures involving the interception of telephone

2:24:01

conversations, carried out on the basis of

2:24:02

an order of the Kirov Regional Court

2:24:05

No. 1309/45 of August 4, 2009, with respect to

2:24:08

Navalny and Ofitserov.

2:24:10

The rights of the persons present were explained to them.

2:24:13

Their signatures are present. In the course of

2:24:15

the inspection, no specialist took part.

2:24:18

The following technical means were used:

2:24:20

a personal computer and a device for reading

2:24:22

CD/DVD compact discs. Speakers

2:24:24

for playback of audio recordings.

2:24:28

The inspection established that the items being inspected are

2:24:32

uh, two white paper envelopes

2:24:33

of square shape with identical

2:24:35

explanatory inscriptions: "Results of

2:24:37

ORM PTP," the flaps of which are sealed with

2:24:39

one fragment each of white paper of square

2:24:41

shape. Over these paper fragments

2:24:42

and the adjacent surface of the packaging

2:24:45

there is one stamp impression each with

2:24:47

the explanatory inscription: Federal

2:24:48

Security Service of Russia, Directorate for

2:24:50

the Kirov Region, packet No. 1

2:24:51

made in blue ink. Access

2:24:53

to the contents of the packaging at the time

2:24:55

of the inspection is not possible;

2:24:56

no visible technical damage

2:24:57

to the packaging was found. After opening

2:25:00

the said envelopes, two

2:25:01

compact discs were discovered. The first compact disc

2:25:03

is in CDR format, which excludes repeated

2:25:05

recording or rewriting

2:25:07

of electronic data. The front side

2:25:09

of the compact disc is covered over its entire surface

2:25:10

with a substance of orange-silver

2:25:12

color, over which there are

2:25:13

handwritten inscriptions: declassified,

2:25:15

order No. 3/2532

2:25:17

dated July 18, 2012, No. 267 tis o

2:25:22

made in black ink. On

2:25:24

the inner ring of the inspected

2:25:25

compact disc, on both sides, there is

2:25:27

an engraved inscription: 80U

2:25:30

sr

2:25:32

39805, which when the viewing angle is changed

2:25:34

changes its color and the sharpness

2:25:36

of the outlines of the existing letter and number

2:25:38

symbols. Also on the inner surface

2:25:39

of the disc ring. On the transparent

2:25:42

part there is an engraved inscription

2:25:43

CDR1RCUP

2:25:46

401/18/09

2:25:48

10:45, made in black ink.

2:25:50

The second compact disc

2:25:52

is in CDR format, excluding repeated

2:25:54

recording

2:25:56

or rewriting of electronic data.

2:25:58

The front side of the compact disc

2:26:00

is also covered over its entire surface

2:26:01

with a white substance, over which

2:26:02

there are handwritten inscriptions: Declassified

2:26:04

by order No. 3/2532 of July 18

2:26:07

2012, reg. No. 309

2:26:10

S 08062010

2:26:12

made in blue ink. On

2:26:14

the reverse side of the inspected compact

2:26:16

disc, on the inner ring, there is

2:26:17

an engraved inscription: CDR80M33070724,

2:26:22

which, when the viewing angle changes,

2:26:23

changes its color and the sharpness of the outlines

2:26:25

of the existing letter and number symbols.

2:26:27

And далее, in point one, it states:

2:26:29

"The compact disc was placed into the reading

2:26:31

device for compact discs

2:26:32

of a personal computer, a laptop, uh,

2:26:36

HP6730B, serial number CNU8423U0.

2:26:42

After that, using

2:26:44

the pre-installed software

2:26:45

of the above-mentioned personal computer,

2:26:46

the multimedia player Windows

2:26:48

Media Player, listening was carried out

2:26:50

to the audio recordings present on the compact disc and

2:26:52

placed in electronic folders

2:26:54

bearing the following names. From page

2:26:57

172.

2:27:00

Uh, audio recording B752803.

2:27:07

So, in addition, for convenience

2:27:10

in reproducing the conversations present

2:27:12

the man whose voice is heard, first

2:27:13

designated as M1, and the second man as M2.

2:27:17

M1 indistinct. M2: Which page?

2:27:20

>> 172.

2:27:24

M2: Yes. Hello.

2:27:26

>> 170. 17. I repeat once again that we

2:27:30

are examining this inspection report, with extraction,

2:27:32

only in the part concerning the files available,

2:27:34

which subsequently became the basis for

2:27:36

conducting the phonoscopic and

2:27:38

psychological-linguistic examinations.

2:27:41

>> That is, those audio recordings that are relevant

2:27:42

to the case. What do they contain?

2:27:46

They contain audio recordings.

2:27:48

>> Audio recordings

2:27:51

we have the expert opinion, understood, to be read out in full

2:27:52

after all, for verification.

2:27:56

>> According to the expert examination conclusion,

2:27:59

it follows from it that what is stated here

2:28:01

in the charges already indicates that it is necessary

2:28:03

one moment—that what is in the protocol is what

2:28:04

was submitted to the expert. Right now, you,

2:28:06

dear prosecutor, are talking about some kind of

2:28:07

seizures. Let us, with

2:28:08

>> taking the court's opinion into account, examine in full the

2:28:11

files in their entirety.

2:28:14

Audio recording 6D FF32. M1: Yes, Lyokha (diminutive of Alexei). M2:

2:28:17

hello, Petya. M1: Yes. M2: Hello. Listen,

2:28:20

well, I left. M1: Yes. M, did they give you

2:28:23

a copy? M1: No, I'm waiting. Over there they

2:28:25

took it to the department for

2:28:27

photocopying.

2:28:28

They'll make a photocopy now and bring it. Then M2:

2:28:30

All right, then take a copy and work on it.

2:28:31

We'll talk again this evening. Tomorrow

2:28:33

we'll meet first thing in the morning, and M1: Okay, and

2:28:36

look through it together. Okay. M1: All right,

2:28:39

bye. Audio recording 8 C7F3

2:28:43

2031. Hello. M2 indistinct. Do you have

2:28:46

a minute? M1: Go ahead. M2: [obscenity].

2:28:49

I just needed to vent somehow. In the background

2:28:52

a phone ringing can be heard. M1: One second,

2:28:54

wait, one second, sorry, one second,

2:28:55

one second. M1, answering another

2:28:57

phone: Hello. Yes, yes, I'll come in now.

2:28:59

Turning to M2. Go ahead. M2: I'm reading these reports

2:29:02

and of course they're writing something

2:29:04

indistinctly. There they're using June prices,

2:29:06

for example, and early July. To compare them with

2:29:08

today's prices—of course that produces

2:29:09

a damn huge difference. M1: Well, just

2:29:12

write that in directly, only don't

2:29:15

repeat their mistake right away. Just write

2:29:17

where you got those prices from. M2: But I'm doing

2:29:19

market monitoring there, yes. Listen, one more

2:29:21

thing. They're calling again from KAGUP there,

2:29:23

trying to poach my clients

2:29:25

on the sly. M1: Uh-huh. M2: I'm thinking

2:29:29

this crap needs to stop. I mean, there are

2:29:32

several options. I could just

2:29:34

call and tear into them with profanity. M1:

2:29:38

No, that doesn't need to be done. Why

2:29:40

do that? Call KB

2:29:42

[indistinct]. Forbid your people from having any

2:29:44

contact with them at all. M2: Hello. M1: Hello,

2:29:47

can you hear me? Hello. Turn to 171.

2:29:50

Audio recording 923-2-A23. Continuation

2:29:55

of the conversation on the previous

2:29:57

audio recording. M2: Yes, hi. M1: Hello.

2:30:00

Petya. It got cut off there. I just want to

2:30:02

tell you that you don't need to call anyone there

2:30:04

and yell obscenities and so on. You

2:30:06

should just, well, reduce your

2:30:08

contact with them; in general, forbid

2:30:09

everyone there from dealing with them. Right, understood.

2:30:16

Right, understood. M1: They're going to keep doing it, and

2:30:18

you just don't rise to the provocation. M2:

2:30:20

Well, actually, I was really just

2:30:22

calling to talk, because somehow I was feeling

2:30:23

not myself. M1: Well,

2:30:25

of course. What's their goal right now?

2:30:26

To provoke you into some kind of

2:30:28

blowup, right, so that you go after them and

2:30:31

so on. You just need to ignore them

2:30:33

completely, damn it, that's all. M2: Got it. Did you

2:30:36

read it? M1: Read what? M2: This one, did you read

2:30:39

this one?

2:30:40

>> [indistinct]. M1: Of course I read it. M2: It's,

2:30:43

damn, a real piece of work, basically. It's not even

2:30:46

an assessment. They just sat down and talked with

2:30:49

that Georgievna, well, with Larisa

2:30:50

Gennadyevna or Georgievna, and

2:30:52

talked with Sopolev and wrote it down from their

2:30:53

words. M1: That's exactly the point. You just

2:30:56

need to choose directly by— I mean, we need it

2:31:00

for the purpose of

2:31:01

[obscenity], we have them, we have every

2:31:04

opportunity to refute it point by point,

2:31:06

backing everything up with documents,

2:31:08

so that we should— M2: for the whole report

2:31:11

do you want that, or only for your part? M1:

2:31:14

No, take your own part. Yes, your

2:31:16

own part, the one where, if you

2:31:18

see somewhere that you have grounds

2:31:20

to write something, then write it. Everything else

2:31:22

I'll indicate myself. M2: All right, understood. Okay then. I,

2:31:24

of course, will prepare all the reports. I can also,

2:31:26

of course, make copies of the invoices. Uh, but

2:31:30

why the hell is that needed? That's— M1: No, well, that

2:31:33

could be done as an extract from, I don't know,

2:31:36

whatever is there, the balance sheet or a bank statement. Or

2:31:39

something like that. M2: All right, all right.

2:31:42

M1: Uh-huh. That's it. M2: All right, bye for now.

2:31:48

172. Audio recording B752803.

2:31:52

M1 indistinct. M2: Yes. Hello. M1:

2:31:54

Hello. Petya. Listen. Sopolev's daughter doesn't work

2:31:56

for you anymore, does she? M2: Well, no,

2:31:58

I decided not to continue the contract

2:32:00

with her. M1: Oh, so you didn't renew

2:32:02

her contract? And when did she officially

2:32:03

leave your employment? M2: I don't remember,

2:32:06

I think it was sometime in mid-June or

2:32:07

early July. Why? M1: But she was officially

2:32:10

on the books with you, receiving a salary

2:32:11

with taxes and all that. Everything was official, and there was

2:32:13

a contract. Yes, everything was done officially.

2:32:16

Yes. M1: All right, okay. That's it, bye. M2,

2:32:19

you hear me? Want me to say a couple of words about it?

2:32:21

About the organization of the forestry department in

2:32:22

The Kaluga Region, just a minute. M1: In

2:32:25

which region? M2: In Kaluga Region. M1: Go on.

2:32:27

Tell me. M2: Basically, they had the same

2:32:28

mess there, like with the state unitary enterprise, only smaller. But

2:32:31

the scheme was the same. A new

2:32:32

governor, Artamonov, came in, who,

2:32:34

basically, pulled the region out of being subsidy-dependent

2:32:35

and turned it into a normal one. M1: Right, right. M2: So.

2:32:39

So, what did they do? They

2:32:40

completely shut down that whole damn thing.

2:32:43

Now

2:32:46

forestry work... Fires

2:32:49

are handled by two entities. The first

2:32:51

is EMERCOM (Russia's Ministry of Emergency Situations), the second—[inaudible].

2:32:52

Basically, all agricultural producers

2:32:54

are required, uh, to carry out all fire-prevention

2:32:58

uh, well, fire-prevention work in relation to

2:33:01

the boundary between fields and forest. And here too it's not fully stated. M1:

2:33:03

No, wait. So who pays EMERCOM?

2:33:05

M2: The federal budget. M1: Well, that's

2:33:08

fine. For fires. M2: Because it's a forest

2:33:11

fire. M1: For fires—the federal budget.

2:33:13

And that forestry enterprise—

2:33:15

who pays it? M2: The forestry

2:33:17

enterprise is also paid by the budget. For

2:33:19

allotments and forest clearing.

2:33:21

Next. [Inaudible] M1: No, but you see,

2:33:23

our problem is that we can't pay them.

2:33:25

[Inaudible] M2: Listen

2:33:27

to the rest. Hear me out first. M1: Go on,

2:33:30

go on, speak. M2: So, basically, what

2:33:32

Kagub considers there

2:33:33

to be fire-prevention activity—yes, that's

2:33:34

a federal law that requires

2:33:36

all agricultural producers to plow firebreaks around

2:33:37

their fields, to make so-called

2:33:39

mineral strips, that is, 5 meters (about 16 feet) from the forest

2:33:40

toward the field. So, basically, next

2:33:42

here's the trick. Then they created

2:33:43

a second part that deals with

2:33:45

speculation in timber. That is, roughly speaking,

2:33:47

all the forest, all timber under the authority of

2:33:49

the Department of Forestry—

2:33:50

apparently every year they

2:33:52

organize auctions in every district,

2:33:54

and, [inaudible], they sell timber at

2:33:55

an unrealistically high price—600 rubles. But

2:33:57

that money goes into the budget. M1: Well, M2: At the same time

2:34:00

the auction setup is of the following kind.

2:34:02

They lease out only as much timber as can actually be processed.

2:34:04

Only as much timber as can be processed.

2:34:06

So because the speculation

2:34:08

is handled by a regional organization, and

2:34:09

the money goes straight into the budget. M1: Well, that's exactly how it is

2:34:12

here too: speculation is handled by a regional

2:34:13

organization, and the money goes into the budget. M2: And

2:34:15

where does the money go? M1: No. Well, the money

2:34:17

goes—it is assumed that it goes into

2:34:19

the budget. But we have exactly the same scheme:

2:34:20

speculation is handled by a regional

2:34:21

organization. M2: But over there it's only about 40 people

2:34:24

doing that speculation, you understand,

2:34:25

sort of—M1: right—M2: a small

2:34:27

organization, [inaudible], whereas

2:34:28

here 3,000 people live off it, you see? That's the

2:34:31

difference. So the scheme under which

2:34:33

I'm now working—you remember, you and I

2:34:35

talked about it—I started

2:34:36

asking around, and it turned out the same

2:34:38

crap exists there too: a small organization

2:34:40

that handles forestry

2:34:42

work is funded from the budget.

2:34:43

And a second one, separately, specifically

2:34:45

deals not with processing, but only with

2:34:46

this speculation. M1: Resale,

2:34:50

M2: Yes, they basically sell this entire volume

2:34:52

to them. And that's it, otherwise it turns into

2:34:54

some kind of disaster: it earns this

2:34:56

damn money, you understand, but it's not

2:34:59

invested, nothing happens,

2:35:00

the money is just being burned through. M1: Uh-huh. Well

2:35:03

I see, yes. Listen, could you

2:35:06

put together something on this Kaluga Region [inaudible]? We

2:35:07

could use something here that we could read,

2:35:09

systematize it—I wanted to ask you

2:35:10

to do that. M2: But I'd need to, sort of, gather all

2:35:13

of it—right now you and I are just talking

2:35:15

about it over the phone. M1: We need

2:35:18

M2: I'd probably need to go there and talk

2:35:20

to someone there. M1: All right, okay. M2: In

2:35:23

a couple of weeks I should be able to do it. M1: Okay, I'll

2:35:26

call you back later. M2: All right then,

2:35:28

I'll wait. Audio recording 174 li sde

2:35:32

647021

2:35:34

Hello? M2: Hello, good that you called. M1: Did I

2:35:38

wake you up? I was calling you, so to

2:35:41

speak, to say that I told him everything there, he

2:35:43

was slightly pissed off. All right, I'll check the emails

2:35:44

then. M2: Yeah, well, basically I was

2:35:47

thinking about the option—M1: the state institution? M2: That's what

2:35:50

the more I think about it, the more I like it, with this

2:35:53

uh, I spoke to him. M1: And what did he say? M2: Well, he kind of

2:35:57

was, of course, stunned. So we'll think in that

2:35:59

direction. He'll answer by evening, or tomorrow

2:36:01

morning most likely. And moreover,

2:36:03

I, well, I basically explained to him that the options,

2:36:06

that there are really only two options. Either he

2:36:07

agrees, or, damn it, whatever it is they're inviting him

2:36:10

to, it simply won't happen in principle. M1:

2:36:14

Got it. Fine. All right then. M2: He

2:36:15

says—M1: Okay. All right, agreed. M2:

2:36:17

"All right, let me just... That Panda there with you,

2:36:19

you're not bringing him in?" M2:

2:36:21

What, what? Say that again. M2: You're not going anywhere now with

2:36:23

Panda? M1: No, I'm not. M2: All

2:36:26

right then, it's just that I'll call him

2:36:28

again then. M1: All right, okay then. M1:

2:36:32

bye. Audio recording 852D3.

2:36:37

M1: Yes. M2: Hello, Petya called. M1: Yes,

2:36:41

yes, he did call. Listen, I have a question.

2:36:42

Do you think you'll manage today

2:36:44

to discuss what we were talking about

2:36:45

this morning? M2: Well, I hope so. M1: Okay. Well,

2:36:48

that was really my only question.

2:36:49

M2: Well, I hope I'll manage it. There

2:36:52

we're going to those shooting exercises, so I

2:36:53

think I'll bring it up there.

2:36:56

182

2:36:58

M1. Because, well, as I see it right now,

2:37:01

I'm walking around thinking, and it turns out that no matter how

2:37:03

you look at it, this is the most convenient option. M2. Sorry, what?

2:37:05

Say that again. M1. I'm saying, right now I'm walking around,

2:37:07

thinking it over, turning it around in different ways, and it turns out

2:37:09

that this is the most convenient. 2. Well yes, yes,

2:37:11

probably, yes. Well, I hope that

2:37:13

we'll talk about it today. 1: Well, here

2:37:16

I think we just need to discuss not only

2:37:18

the general principle, right, but also

2:37:19

the timeline for implementation right away. M2. We can't

2:37:22

drag this out forever. M2. Well no, of course,

2:37:24

we'll immediately clarify the key

2:37:25

questions about timing there. M1. Well,

2:37:28

yes. 2, all right then, go ahead. 1, I'll

2:37:30

call you back. M2. Uh-huh. Bye. 1, bye.

2:37:33

Bye for now. Sheet 182 completed. The electronic folder

2:37:36

titled 150829 contains one

2:37:39

audio recording.

2:37:41

Also, the first voice is 71, the second is 72. Uh, so,

2:37:46

folder—uh, excuse me—file 4B234.

2:37:52

M1. Yes, I'm listening. M2. Pyotr Yuryevich,

2:37:54

M1. Yes. 2. Pyotr Petrovich called. 1. Yes, yes,

2:37:58

Pyotr Petrovich. M2. You called me yesterday

2:38:01

evening. I was just out of coverage here. 1.

2:38:03

Ah, I see. Pyotr Petrovich, look,

2:38:05

next week you may be invited

2:38:07

somewhere, right? So

2:38:10

don't be thrown off, basically. Just

2:38:11

state your vision for the company's development

2:38:14

as well, and everything will be fine.

2:38:16

M2. I can write it down. M1. No, no need to write anything

2:38:18

because for you all of this is supposed to be

2:38:21

a surprise. You don't know any of this, after all.

2:38:23

2. Ah, I see. M1. So, 2, they removed him. They

2:38:26

suspended him yesterday, yes. M1. Yes. M. And

2:38:29

who did they appoint as acting head? M1.

2:38:32

No one yet. M2. Doesn't it go by hierarchy there,

2:38:36

you know, right? M1. What? 2. But there, by

2:38:39

rank, by the hierarchy, there's the first

2:38:41

commercial director or deputy.

2:38:43

Someone will be acting for now, right? M1. I don't

2:38:46

know. We'll decide everything next week. M2.

2:38:48

Ah, I see. All right then, so you went

2:38:50

home, as I understand it, yes? Dmitry just

2:38:52

called. 1. Yes, yes, I was actually

2:38:54

calling you so that if

2:38:56

they invite you somewhere, you won't be surprised. 2.

2:39:00

Well, understood, yes, I got it. 1. Uh-huh. 2. All right,

2:39:02

that's all. Thank you, Petrovich, all the best.

2:39:04

M1. All right, bye. Sheet 183 completed.

2:39:07

The electronic folder titled 190829.

2:39:10

Two audio recordings.

2:39:12

Accordingly, for ease of playback,

2:39:14

playback

2:39:17

the recordings contain a conversation between a man and a woman,

2:39:20

as well as one between men.

2:39:22

The first male voice is labeled M1, the second

2:39:25

is heard as M2. The woman is labeled F.

2:39:28

Audio recording 6A8F 602. M1. Yes, I'm listening.

2:39:32

M2. Hi. Can you talk, can you talk?

2:39:35

1? Yes, I can. 2. So, did you go see

2:39:37

anyone? I don't know, Shichkov or

2:39:39

someone else. M1. No, I haven't

2:39:41

called anyone yet. 2. Well, look, basically, it was approved with

2:39:43

those people there—I discussed it with Belykh and

2:39:46

Shcherchkov. So basically,

2:39:48

a) he is removed from his position, b)

2:39:51

this Pyotr Petrovich is appointed, c)

2:39:52

a working group is created, with

2:39:54

a tentative lineup, meaning you, me,

2:39:56

Shchechkov, Elena Mikhailovna, Belosov from

2:39:57

the Forestry Department. M1. Uh-huh. 2. Maybe

2:40:00

someone else too. And then, accordingly,

2:40:01

the working group. In particular, you

2:40:03

propose to us the full scope of the working group's

2:40:04

activities—what exactly it studies there. 1. Uh-huh. 2.

2:40:08

Uh, what does it actually do? Separately,

2:40:10

we need to arrange for Kirovles

2:40:12

to commission a proper audit at its own expense,

2:40:13

right? 1. Uh-huh. M2. Some decent

2:40:16

Deloitte & Touche or some similar

2:40:18

company. M1. Uh-huh. M2. Right? And then, basically,

2:40:21

this working group would spend

2:40:23

some time dealing with all of this

2:40:25

and then present its proposals for

2:40:27

reforming the organization, and so on.

2:40:29

So, I mean, you had some kind of

2:40:31

preliminary work plan, right? Uh,

2:40:33

M1. Well yes, yes. M2. What you were

2:40:36

talking through with Elena Mikhailovna—so

2:40:38

today call or text

2:40:40

Cherchkov, go see him today,

2:40:42

show him this plan, right, ask what they've

2:40:44

signed there. Have they already signed off on the working group

2:40:46

or not? They were supposed to

2:40:47

sign it already—maybe they did yesterday.

2:40:50

M1. Uh-huh. M2. Then just

2:40:52

go to Kirovles, just bluntly, you know,

2:40:55

I don't know, throw that

2:40:56

commercial director out of the office, sit down in that

2:40:58

office and say this office is for the

2:41:00

working group's operations. M1. Uh-huh. M2.

2:41:02

Say that we're, like, now

2:41:06

Navalny will return and we'll be sitting

2:41:08

here all day and simply starting with

2:41:10

them we'll just work in a

2:41:11

very intensive mode. M1. Well, they need to be

2:41:13

pulled out, basically. M2. What? What? M1. They need to be

2:41:16

pulled out. We need to pull them out so that

2:41:18

they don't die. 2. Yes, yes, yes.

2:41:20

Pull them out. Right. M1. Got it. Well,

2:41:24

that's everything. 2. If there are any

2:41:26

unfinished points... M1. When will you be back? M2. I'll

2:41:29

be back. Well, I was planning on Sunday,

2:41:31

but if I need to move her car,

2:41:33

then I'll come over the weekend in

2:41:35

her car. M1. Ah, okay. So I'm

2:41:38

just staying here for the weekend, so

2:41:39

that's fine.

2:41:41

2. Well, excellent. M1. Then that's all. M2.

2:41:43

All right then, then, then, then—

2:41:46

if anything comes up, call. With this Pyotr

2:41:48

Petrovich, be a bit more proactive there. If

2:41:49

that asshole shows up there, just tell him

2:41:51

to fuck off. 1. Uh-huh. 2. If anything,

2:41:54

call me. One more request about that little house. I mean,

2:41:56

I already warned Tyshlik. Yes, he

2:41:58

He said he’d take care of everything. It’s just that over there...

2:42:00

...someone needed to make sure they were...

2:42:02

...that they’d done everything. But I only realized afterward. I didn’t...

2:42:04

...know that they were actually going to call him in over this on Monday...

2:42:07

...summon him. M2: 178, 185, sorry,

2:42:11

page. M2: Yes. M1: I didn’t tell him anything...

2:42:14

...about it. He had absolutely no...

2:42:15

...idea. 2: Ah, so he didn’t even know. M1:

2:42:19

He had absolutely no idea. Well, because...

2:42:21

...I hadn’t discussed any of this with him...

2:42:23

...at all. M2: No, wait. Didn’t you...

2:42:26

...call him and tell him that...

2:42:27

...they’d removed that guy? M1: “No, no,

2:42:29

no. I told him everything, basically he knew about everything...

2:42:32

...except for the little house.” M2: “No, well...

2:42:34

...the little house is beside the point. But about the fact that there was...

2:42:36

...an appointment and everything else there—M1,

2:42:39

of course, of course, he knew. 2: Well, then...

2:42:41

...great. The little house is just a...

2:42:43

...minor detail. You just need to do it, since...

2:42:44

...you already promised him. 1: Right, I got it. Yes,

2:42:47

of course. 2: Mm-hmm. M1: All right, then. 2: Mm-hmm.

2:42:51

That’s it—call if anything comes up. Bye. M1: Bye.

2:42:53

For now. 185, audio recording. S27B302.

2:42:59

Zh: Hello. Ml: Hi, Zh. Yes, Alexei, hi.

2:43:03

Listen, did my call go through there or...

2:43:05

...didn’t it? M: No, your call didn’t go through,

2:43:07

then you picked up, but nothing could be...

2:43:09

...heard. Zh: Ah, strange. That means something...

2:43:11

...weird was going on. Yes.

2:43:13

Yes. Listen, tell me—actually, I wanted...

2:43:15

...not even for that reason, I just wanted...

2:43:18

...to ask about your forest, what happened there...

2:43:20

...exactly. M: About what? Well...

2:43:23

...the forest, Petya, and so on. M: Ah, well...

2:43:25

...nothing much, I basically arranged for them to...

2:43:27

...include him in the working group. Well,

2:43:29

strictly speaking, this working group...

2:43:31

...was invented precisely so that he could...

2:43:33

...be part of it. And then, well, after that...

2:43:36

...the second question is whether Shchechkov will want...

2:43:37

...or won’t want him to become his...

2:43:40

...adviser. Well, and today he calls me...

2:43:42

...and says, “So, Nikita made...

2:43:45

...amendments: he wasn’t included in the working group...

2:43:46

...and you were included instead.” Although it was...

2:43:48

...already obvious that I was supposed to be...

2:43:50

...included. Advisers or...

2:43:52

...assistants can’t be appointed there. And...

2:43:54

...they included Arzamasov in it.

2:43:57

M: I said... 186... if...

2:44:00

Well, I wrote that I’m not going to take part in this damn...

2:44:03

...thing at all. I said,

2:44:05

I said, what is this...

2:44:07

...working group for? So that...

2:44:09

...we can keep fighting with her? Zh: Mm-hmm. M: Well...

2:44:11

...that’s what I wrote to Shichkov. And he was like, well...

2:44:13

...something like, Zh: we’ll sort it out. M: What, what?

2:44:15

Well, Shichkov wrote, probably, that we’d...

2:44:17

...sort it out. M: Nothing, that’s just how he is. Well, yes...

2:44:19

...all right, come on, we’ll sort everything out, everything will...

2:44:22

...work normally. So then I...

2:44:23

...accordingly... But then later, when...

2:44:25

...I really started pressing him, he...

2:44:28

...said, “Well, basically, talk to Belykh...”},{

2:44:29

...But I sent Belykh a...

2:44:31

...text, then another one. I said, “Who is going to...

2:44:33

...work? I wrote, who is going to...

2:44:35

[inaudible/unclear].

2:44:37

I said [unclear], “What kind of deception is this? What is...

2:44:39

...this working group for? Who is going to...

2:44:41

...work in it? Zh: Mm-hmm. M: What is it even...

2:44:44

...being created for, and who is going to sit in it...

2:44:46

...all day long there at Kirovles? He...

2:44:48

...writes back to me: “You.” I write to him: “What the...

2:44:50

...hell? Why is there always some kind of, uh, petty...

2:44:53

...deception going on?” He did reply to me. But...

2:44:55

...I also wrote him something else, a couple of...

2:44:57

...texts, swearing at him. And that was it. He...

2:45:00

...went silent. He’s been silent all day today, that’s all. But I...

2:45:02

...didn’t write anything more. Zh: I see. There at his place...

2:45:04

...there are people sitting there... what, what? Zh: Well, they...

2:45:07

...those cousins of his came to visit him...

2:45:10

...for some reason. They’re all sitting there. I...

2:45:13

...left—I just couldn’t take it anymore somehow. M:

2:45:15

What cousins? Whose cousins?

2:45:17

Zh: Well, he has some from St. Petersburg...

2:45:19

...he does. Ah, Zh: Well, whichever ones you might...

2:45:22

...possibly know, but I just somehow...

2:45:25

...find the whole crowd unbearable. I mean...

2:45:26

...they’re nice people, everything is very pleasant, but...

2:45:29

...I don’t know, maybe it’s because I arrived and...

2:45:31

...everyone was drunk. Maybe just in general...

2:45:33

...what can I tell you? I can’t really...

2:45:35

...explain it to you, but the whole thing is just...

2:45:37

...some kind of nightmare. They say that you’re...

2:45:39

...so overloaded. I said, probably...

2:45:40

...she’s sadly thinking about healthcare.

2:45:43

He says, “Yes, so what is it?” I say:

2:45:45

“Well, you’re creating problems for me, so I...

2:45:47

...later think, ‘No wonder I’m completely swamped.’ I...

2:45:49

...really did—Alexei came by today,

2:45:51

...came to your meeting, and I brought...

2:45:53

...I had prepared 10 documents, 10... [unclear]”

2:45:56

...the requests he had made. And yet...

2:45:59

...our meeting took about 5...

2:46:00

...minutes, because he said, “Yes, yes,

2:46:03

yes, just leave them, leave them, I’ll read them.” I...

2:46:05

...said, “Why, uh, not read them now—...

2:46:07

...let me explain.” “No, no, I’ll definitely...

2:46:09

...read them.” The main thing is, he asks for...

2:46:11

...requests, then he doesn’t read what you write in response to...

2:46:12

...those requests. Then the issue comes up again...

2:46:15

...and once again he says, “Why don’t...

2:46:17

...you write up another...

2:46:18

...request?” So either I’m responding wrong, or somehow...

2:46:21

...not the right way. Apparently I just don’t know how to work...

2:46:23

...with this governor, or maybe I just...

2:46:25

...don’t have... 187

2:46:27

page... the ability. Apparently...

2:46:29

...some people can somehow...

2:46:32

...draw him in, get him interested, but I can’t...

2:46:33

...because all my plans and...

2:46:35

...problems just don’t affect him at all and don’t...

2:46:37

...interest him in the slightest. Mm, yes...

2:46:40

...yes. No, damn it. The constant lying...

2:46:42

...has completely worn me out. And on top of that...

2:46:44

...Stashko keeps calling me all the time.

2:46:51

But I just don't pick up the phone, that's all. And...

2:46:53

Why aren't you answering? Just say that you...

2:46:55

won't be dealing with this, that you...

2:46:56

don't see any point in it for yourself.

2:46:58

No, but just tell Stashkov,

2:47:00

"Stashkov, why exactly should I be doing this?

2:47:02

Explain it to me, please." Well...

2:47:04

So tell him that. "And what am I supposed to do with

2:47:06

this hotel?" And what exactly are you supposed to be doing there?

2:47:08

Mm, well, like, negotiating with...

2:47:11

Lebed so that he would provide...

2:47:13

some hotels for them there for free or...

2:47:15

something like that. I mean, some kind of, uh...

2:47:18

some issue involving these small hotels...

2:47:20

small ones. No, but first of all, Lyosha...

2:47:23

I mean, this is completely absurd. I mean...

2:47:24

you should only be doing anything at all...

2:47:27

after it has been made absolutely clear...

2:47:28

what exactly is expected of you, meaning...

2:47:29

they tell you what they want from you and what...

2:47:31

you'll get in return. And they put it in...

2:47:34

writing. And Belykh signed it,

2:47:36

that's all. Otherwise, what's the point? What are you,

2:47:39

Lyosha? Some kind of errand boy?

2:47:40

Running around doing little...

2:47:42

tasks for nothing, just because?

2:47:43

I mean, it seems to me...

2:47:45

he ought to understand somehow...

2:47:48

that if he wants something from you, then he...

2:47:50

has to give you something in return. Well...

2:47:53

it's just that, because you yourself...

2:47:54

aren't really holding that line. Um, no...

2:47:57

you see, it's just that, damn...

2:47:59

it turns out like this: there was supposedly...

2:48:01

an agreement, there was an agreement...

2:48:02

everything was fine there, sort of, well, and I also had...

2:48:05

an agreement. He asked me,

2:48:07

he said, "You'll kind of help out there...

2:48:09

with Lebed." I said, fine, I'll help. I mean...

2:48:10

I sort of promised, right? Only he...

2:48:13

promised everything there, uh, and I promised, so I...

2:48:17

have to do it. Anyway, basically...

2:48:19

it's all terribly, incredibly irritating—this...

2:48:21

constant lying about little things. And why...

2:48:23

is he like that? I wonder why he did that.

2:48:25

I don't know. It seems to me, just...

2:48:27

I really don't know, I don't understand. I think...

2:48:29

maybe there was something there, and he also started telling me...

2:48:33

"We never agreed on that." I...

2:48:35

said, "But that was the whole point of the...

2:48:37

agreement, wasn't it?" I said, "No, what am I supposed to do—

2:48:39

follow you around and write everything down all the time?

2:48:41

Seriously, from now on I'll just write down...

2:48:42

everything." Zhenya: Well then, write it down, sure...

2:48:44

[inaudible]. Um, damn, I did make an arrangement...

2:48:47

with VolgaTelecom, right, that...

2:48:49

they would install three web cameras free of charge.

2:48:51

Zh: He's already written about it. M: Yes, and he...

2:48:54

did write it. "I have an agreement," and so on.

2:48:56

No, I don't even mind.

2:48:58

Please, for God's sake, let him write. That's what...

2:49:00

I'm making these arrangements for. But you see...

2:49:02

he tossed it to me in the morning, damn it, and by evening...

2:49:04

he's solemnly writing about it. Let, I don't know...

2:49:06

someone else go in place of his favorite...

2:49:08

deputies and arrange something. 188

2:49:12

uh, even if it's just something worth 3 rubles given for free.

2:49:17

And then I told him, there are three...

2:49:18

cameras. He says, "That seems a bit...

2:49:20

small-scale. What kind of project is that? Three...

2:49:22

cameras installed for free, damn it. Let them...

2:49:24

at least provide something, I don't know, half a camera...

2:49:26

here." Zhenya: Well yes, even...

2:49:28

half a camera. Exactly. Has anyone else put up...

2:49:30

even half a camera? No. Well, Lyosha, this is...

2:49:32

how is that? You know how. Well, I don't know. I mean...

2:49:35

honestly, I don't know. It just seems to me...

2:49:36

that this is some kind of...

2:49:38

problem that's making you hold back and not...

2:49:39

say everything. I don't know. I mean...

2:49:41

either maybe it is possible to negotiate with someone again...

2:49:43

if, that is, only if...

2:49:45

you get a role as an adviser, yes...

2:49:47

then you can do something there. He, at some, uh...

2:49:51

up to some point there, to carry out...

2:49:53

the labors of Hercules there, well, maybe...

2:49:55

even make arrangements with VolgaTelecom...

2:49:57

or with something else. And then, basically, spit...

2:50:00

on the rest of it. But in everything else, say...

2:50:02

a firm no. I mean, no, basically...

2:50:04

yes. Well, what's there that's inaudible? I mean...

2:50:07

you somehow further on [inaudible], the connection...

2:50:09

cuts out. 188 case file. The electronic...

2:50:12

folder titled 20 0829 contains two...

2:50:16

audio recordings.

2:50:18

First voice: M1. Second voice: male voice...

2:50:20

M2. Audio recording 680 ES23. M1: Hello. M2:

2:50:24

Hello, Lyosha. 1: Hey there, you old...

2:50:27

traitor. 2: Ah, so that's how it is, huh. 1: Well, what else...

2:50:30

am I supposed to call you? 2: You know...

2:50:32

that means we've got a young traitor among us.

2:50:34

That's how it is. M1: Well of course, I never...

2:50:37

betrayed you once, damn it, but you...

2:50:38

are constantly undermining me, uh, behind my back.

2:50:41

2: You're setting me up. M1: I'm setting you up?

2:50:43

Damn it. I'll kill you when...

2:50:45

I get there. 2: When will you arrive? Oh, I will come,

2:50:48

but I had planned to leave today, only I need...

2:50:49

to move Yulia's car, so I...

2:50:51

will probably head out in her car on Friday or...

2:50:53

Saturday. M2: And you still... Well, all right then,

2:50:56

then we'll see each other on Sunday. M1: All right.

2:50:58

So what's going on there, anyway? Uh, what's up? Is it urgent

2:51:01

or something? What's going on? M2: No, I'm just...

2:51:02

gathering people for Kerofles right now...

2:51:04

and you're not here. M1: Call Ofitserov.

2:51:07

189 M2: What? M1: I said, call Ofitserov.

2:51:09

M2: Ofitserov? Who's that? M1:

2:51:12

your damn adviser. M2: All right then,

2:51:15

okay, okay. We arranged...

2:51:17

to meet today. Talk later. M1 DV

2:51:20

189 audio recording BF 16EEE21,

2:51:24

hello. M2: Hello. M1: Yes. 2: Hey.

2:51:27

Can you talk? 1: Hey. I can. M2: I heard from...

2:51:30

Ofitserov. Uh, 1: Yes, I heard. 2: But...

2:51:34

I just thought you had called me on...

2:51:35

my phones—I left them at the office. So. But I...

2:51:38

met with that Sergey. 1: So what?

2:51:40

M2. So. Uh, we talked there, and

2:51:44

overall everything is fine. When you get here, we'll talk in more

2:51:46

detail. So, Petrovich has

2:51:47

really gotten active there, so

2:51:50

everything is going according to plan. M1: But is he, so to speak, moving in the

2:51:52

right direction with what he's doing?

2:51:54

M2: Yes, yes. So far everything is moving in the

2:51:57

right direction. That is,

2:51:58

basically, we can already do without

2:51:59

membership in the commissions. So, basically,

2:52:02

because of that, we can kind of

2:52:04

let that slide. We have three important

2:52:06

issues there. So, when you get here on

2:52:07

Monday—will you be here Sunday or

2:52:09

Monday? M1: I'll be there on Sunday. And

2:52:12

are you going to Moscow or not? M2:

2:52:13

"No, I'm staying here." Oh, you're staying? Yes.

2:52:16

I'm just sending Yulia ahead by car, and I'll

2:52:18

come too. I'll leave Sunday morning and

2:52:20

arrive Sunday evening. M2: More like at night,

2:52:23

I think. Obviously you

2:52:25

won't be up for talking. So,

2:52:26

we'll talk on Monday

2:52:27

then. I was just thinking, basically,

2:52:30

everything is under control, everything is

2:52:31

fine, so all in all we can move

2:52:33

forward. So there— M1: So, did they

2:52:35

discuss the issue of the

2:52:37

advisor or assistant? M2: No, they didn't.

2:52:39

It wasn't discussed. We talked about

2:52:42

this. The commission members, well, he

2:52:44

was kind of overwhelmed, and I just didn't

2:52:46

go

2:52:46

into it any further, because he was

2:52:49

saying there simply wasn't

2:52:51

an opportunity. M1: You're saying he was

2:52:54

overheated? M2: No, he was swamped. M1:

2:52:58

Swamped? M2: 190 or done. There

2:53:02

had just been some meeting that ended

2:53:03

a moment before. As for the commission, he

2:53:05

was explaining somewhere that there really

2:53:08

was no possibility. But I was immediately

2:53:09

surprised, because it basically meant a scandal.

2:53:11

And one participant in the scandal is going after—well,

2:53:14

in other words, joins a commission regarding another

2:53:15

participant in the scandal. M1: You know, I had

2:53:18

basically arranged for you to be on the

2:53:20

commission. They didn't include you on the

2:53:21

commission, so I really came down hard on everyone

2:53:23

there, actually. M2: Well, I understood that, but that's already

2:53:25

more of those

2:53:27

political

2:53:29

moments overall, so basically we can

2:53:31

set that aside; there, everything, all of that—

2:53:34

we have three major

2:53:35

issues. One issue is the

2:53:39

area. M1: Yes, yes, yes.

2:53:41

M2: That's the main issue. Without

2:53:43

it, everything else loses its meaning. And

2:53:45

second, the other two issues are

2:53:47

the advisor issue, so that the first issue

2:53:48

will be easier to handle,

2:53:51

and the issue of making sure Opolev does not

2:53:53

come back. That's all. M1: Well, okay,

2:53:56

all right then, I'll meet with you on Monday and

2:53:58

we'll discuss the details there.

2:53:59

M2: Yes, if we resolve these three issues, then

2:54:02

everything will be great. 1: All right,

2:54:05

good. 2: Okay. 1: Okay. 2: Say hi to Yulia.

2:54:07

M1: Okay. 190. Folder 260829

2:54:13

contains one audio recording, file 53524.

2:54:18

The first voice is labeled M1, the second voice

2:54:21

is 2. Hello? 2?

2:54:23

Hello, Pyotr Petrovich, so there is nothing there

2:54:26

specifically on Mutnisk, no, because

2:54:27

people have only just gone in now, well, into the

2:54:29

forest. M1: Just into the forest? M2: Just into the forest,

2:54:31

yes, they've gone in. 1: All right, and regarding

2:54:34

the plot, the plot with conifers, spruce? 2: We need

2:54:36

to go there, we need to go. There are plots there,

2:54:38

people are lined up waiting. We just need to go to the

2:54:40

site and sort it out—who needs what.

2:54:42

M1: Uh-huh. M2: There are plots. M1: Well,

2:54:45

I just don't want it to turn out that

2:54:47

I send people there for nothing. So, all right,

2:54:49

Petrovich, here's what I want to do now. I

2:54:52

want to come to you in an hour and a half

2:54:54

with the Germans. M2: Uh-huh. 1: Will you be there?

2:54:58

M2: Of course I will. How else? 1: All right then,

2:55:01

we'll discuss everything there. 2: Uh-huh.

2:55:03

All right. M1: Good. 19, first page of the case file.

2:55:06

Electronic folder titled 020929

2:55:08

contains three audio recordings.

2:55:11

Again, for ease of playback,

2:55:14

the participants in the conversation are marked: man with the letter M, woman with the letter

2:55:16

F, and the first speaker is man

2:55:18

M1, the second is 2. File 93BS

2:55:23

BC 3003

2:55:26

M: I'm listening. F: Alexei Anatolyevich,

2:55:27

hello. This is Sabina from Deloitte.

2:55:31

M: Oh, hello, Sabina. I'm sorry,

2:55:33

it really just slipped my mind. Now that

2:55:34

you've called, I remembered that

2:55:36

I forgot to call you back. Yes, yes,

2:55:37

sorry. F: I was simply asked to get in touch

2:55:39

with you. M: Yes, yes. F: About

2:55:42

the audit. Yes. M: Uh-huh. F: I wanted to find out

2:55:46

what things look like from your side. M: Well,

2:55:49

look, I explained this. A young man called me,

2:55:51

and as for me, I'm an advisor

2:55:53

to the governor of Kirov Region. In

2:55:54

Kirov Region there is one large

2:55:56

and rather dysfunctional enterprise called

2:55:57

Kirovles. Yes. What's going on at that

2:55:59

enterprise? No one really understands

2:56:00

what is happening there. The governor is

2:56:02

new, and everything there is fairly strange.

2:56:04

Accordingly, the task that was

2:56:06

set before me included

2:56:07

figuring it out. And naturally, it immediately

2:56:09

occurred to me to conduct a

2:56:11

full comprehensive audit there. Since

2:56:13

I had certain

2:56:15

contacts at Deloitte, I got in touch with D

2:56:18

Touche. Naturally, we have one question:

2:56:19

this is a state-funded enterprise, the money is public money,

2:56:21

so we want to understand

2:56:22

to what extent we can afford it and

2:56:25

then order this audit. Well, I don't know,

2:56:27

if that's the case, I just don't quite understand how it works.

2:56:29

Under the current legislation, as far as I know,

2:56:30

state-owned enterprises are required to hold a tender

2:56:33

for audit services. F: Yes,

2:56:35

of course. M: That's true, right? 192

2:56:39

F: Mm-hmm. M: Then we can announce

2:56:42

a tender, stating that we need

2:56:44

auditors from the top three. Something

2:56:46

along those lines. Mm-hmm. M: Well, yes,

2:56:49

that's basically all I'm prepared

2:56:50

to say. F: And how do we look at

2:56:52

the financial statements to understand what

2:56:54

this is? M: Uh, well, let's do it

2:56:56

this way. Write to me and tell me which

2:56:58

documents I should send you first

2:56:59

so that you can tell me how much

2:57:01

it will cost, because, well, I don't even

2:57:03

have a sense of the ballpark figures. Or you

2:57:05

could just give me a rough range. Well,

2:57:07

generally speaking, as a ballpark, yes,

2:57:09

it could be around $20,000,

2:57:11

dollars, yes. What does that come to? Uh, mm-hmm, well,

2:57:16

$20,000 is acceptable for us.

2:57:18

That is, if it costs,

2:57:21

say, around 1 million or 1.5 million

2:57:23

rubles, that's fine. If it costs 5

2:57:26

million rubles, well, the enterprise probably won't

2:57:27

be able to afford that. It's just, as you

2:57:29

understand, Kirov Oblast is poor, and

2:57:31

if we pay someone 5 million rubles for an audit,

2:57:34

that would look strange. F:

2:57:35

I see, I see. 20 million is, so to speak,

2:57:38

when everything is extremely, extremely simple. M:

2:57:42

You mean 20,000? F: Yes, I do

2:57:45

mean that. I said 20 million. M: Yes, 20 million.

2:57:50

F: Yes, yes. That's when everything is very, very

2:57:53

simple, and it's just the balance sheet, yes, to

2:57:55

understand how much higher it might

2:57:56

be. I think it will be higher.

2:57:58

I'm not sure by how much, but we need

2:58:00

to look at the balance sheet and the profit and loss statement

2:58:02

and losses. Uh,

2:58:06

uh, as I understand it, this is logging,

2:58:08

right? M: This is, after all, what kind of

2:58:15

work? F: Mm-hmm. M: Right, so you need

2:58:18

the balance sheet, right? Which one? Annual. F: Well,

2:58:20

perhaps, if there is the latest

2:58:22

half-year statement as of June 30, the latest

2:58:25

balance sheet, yes, and the profit and

2:58:28

loss statement, that's Form 2. M: The profit and loss

2:58:30

statement, yes, the profit and loss statement. In principle, attached to

2:58:32

the annual balance sheet, to the annual balance sheet,

2:58:34

there is an explanatory note attached. So,

2:58:36

perhaps the explanatory note, then,

2:58:38

to the latest annual balance sheet, so that

2:58:39

we can at least understand what is what. It contains

2:58:43

basic information about the enterprise's

2:58:44

operations. Then that explanatory

2:58:46

note. That will be enough. I

2:58:48

think: "M: All right, then I'll write down

2:58:49

your email address." F: "I have

2:58:51

such a complicated surname. Let me

2:58:53

send it to your phone by text message." Mm,

2:58:55

listen, go ahead. Let me

2:58:57

dictate my simple email address to you.

2:58:59

193 193 li dela F: Or let's use the simple one. Yes.

2:59:04

M: So you won't have to write it down. F:

2:59:06

All right. M: So, Navalny, letter by letter:

2:59:08

Nikolai. F: Uh-huh. M: Alexei. F: Uh-huh. M:

2:59:12

Victoria. F: Uh-huh. M: Alexei. F: Uh-huh. M:

2:59:14

Leonid. F: Mm-hmm. M: Nikolai. F: Mm-hmm.

2:59:18

M: And at the end— F: the letter Y. M: Navalny

2:59:22

is what you got. Well, Y, right? Mm-hmm. M: Navalny

2:59:26

is what you got, right? F: Yes. At mail.com

2:59:30

GML

2:59:32

MGML.

2:59:34

No, Gmail as one word. Gmail, gmail.

2:59:38

M.com g.rucom

2:59:41

atcom m Well, Google's mail service, gmail.com

2:59:44

gmail.com

2:59:45

M: Yes. F: Good, all right then, let's

2:59:48

I'll send you a text message. Do you have

2:59:51

it? M: Maybe right now, and I'll

2:59:54

check whether it goes through. F: Yes, I'm

2:59:56

writing it right now. Okay, sent. M: I'm checking

2:59:59

now. Did I spell Gmail correctly? M: G-m-a-i—yes,

3:00:04

all one word. M: Yes. There's nothing yet.

3:00:06

One second. There's still nothing, so

3:00:08

you must have typed something wrong, some

3:00:10

letter. Although, it seems, mm, no, maybe

3:00:12

yes, something didn't come through. Why don't you

3:00:14

send it, try by text message, and I'll

3:00:16

write to you then. All right, fine. I

3:00:18

we've agreed on everything. Then tomorrow I'll

3:00:20

try to send you all of this.

3:00:23

194 li delo? Uh, F: Yes. M: Then one request,

3:00:28

well, just let me know, give me a sense of

3:00:30

the price. Well, and I don't know, in any case

3:00:32

we still need to hold some kind of tender, right? Uh, conduct one,

3:00:34

correct? F: Yes. Mm-hmm. Yes. For unitary

3:00:36

enterprises, yes. M: All right. Well, we'll sort it out,

3:00:38

well, it would probably be wrong

3:00:40

to do the audit report and then also try to

3:00:42

fiddle around with this tender. Well, then,

3:00:43

we'll have to figure it out somehow. F: No,

3:00:46

no, no, of course. M: All right,

3:00:47

agreed. F: Good. M: All right then, I'll

3:00:50

be waiting for your text message. F: Yes. Mm,

3:00:53

thank you. F: Yes, thank you, goodbye.

3:00:56

194 li sdelas'. File 702. There is

3:01:01

I am transcribing.

3:01:10

>> M1: Good afternoon. M2: Hello. M1: Yes,

3:01:12

I'm listening. 2: Pyotr Yuryevich? 1: Yes, yes,

3:01:14

I'm listening. 2: Is that you? M1: Yes, yes, it's me. M2:

3:01:19

I didn't recognize you at first. So, look,

3:01:21

let's not finalize everything just yet.

3:01:23

We've just discussed it. So, you

3:01:25

put the truck in place for loading. But I ask

3:01:27

the following. Let's do the payment upon

3:01:28

shipment, according to the invoices. M1:

3:01:31

Upon shipment? 2: Mm-hmm. M1: Well, not

3:01:33

exactly. 2: Hello? M1: One second,

3:01:35

I'll step outside. 2: Okay. 1: Hello. Yes,

3:01:38

Pyotr Petrovich. 2: Yes, yes. M1: I'm outside

3:01:41

now, can you hear me? 2: So that we don't

3:01:43

dig ourselves even deeper into receivables.

3:01:44

Let's ship it now, and then you will

3:01:46

pay immediately. That is,

3:01:50

I’ll simply take everything from you. All the trucks,

3:01:52

that are available, I’ll pay for right away.

3:01:54

72, what, what?

3:02:00

there are no contracts involved. They say:

3:02:02

"If we keep the contract, then

3:02:04

we’ll keep working. If we don’t, then we won’t work

3:02:06

with anyone." 2: "No." Well,

3:02:08

I just called Gorodnya, she... 1, can you hear me?

3:02:10

M2: she clearly said that we would

3:02:13

work as... [inaudible]. M1: Hello, M2

3:02:15

hello. I just need to understand that we

3:02:17

need to issue you, so to speak, this

3:02:19

invoice upon shipment. You will need to

3:02:21

pay us the money. M1: but I’m not saying

3:02:23

that. How many trucks will you be able to

3:02:25

prepare? M2: Right now we have one

3:02:27

truck ready, and two more are still being worked on, but all of that

3:02:29

is currently on hold. M1: No, you just

3:02:31

keep doing everything, and I’ll pay. Upon

3:02:33

shipment, agreed? M2: Agreed.

3:02:35

M1: Yes. Only, look, as for

3:02:36

the Germans. M2? No, but regarding the price, I mean

3:02:39

basically, decide on the price.

3:02:40

We are still offering a price upon

3:02:42

shipment of 15.5 euros. M1: Pyotr Petrovich,

3:02:46

I can barely hear you. Where are you?

3:02:47

M2: I’ll call you back right now.

3:02:50

Oh, yes, let’s do that. Uh, 195, case

3:02:54

audio recording, file 70S34.

3:02:57

Continuation of the previous conversation. M2.

3:03:00

Hello. M1: Hello. 2: Mr. Petrovich, can you hear

3:03:02

me? No. 1,1: Yes, I can hear you now. 2.

3:03:05

So, let’s set the price for these

3:03:07

matters. As of today, if you

3:03:09

include all VAT, your price is 25.8. I

3:03:12

checked, right? So let’s do that. [inaudible]. M1

3:03:14

interrupts: 24. M2: What do you mean, not agreed? M1:

3:03:17

it’s already 24. Already 24, right? 2: Well, as for the price,

3:03:20

we just need to decide. Today 11

3:03:21

euros is not really an acceptable price.

3:03:23

Could it at least be 14, if your

3:03:26

price is 24? In the background of the recording, a man

3:03:29

not participating in the conversation says:

3:03:31

"Yes, yes, yes, 1, who’s there?" "Yes, yes,"

3:03:33

shouts:

3:03:35

"And who is that there?" "Yes, yes," M2 shouts. No,

3:03:38

he does not finish here. M1 interrupts.

3:03:40

Loshkin 2 is sitting in the department. Yes, 1: Understood.

3:03:43

14 euros per pole excluding VAT. M2: Yes. Yes. M1

3:03:47

speaks his thoughts aloud.

3:03:48

multiply by 45... 5.6. No, that’s an unrealistic

3:03:51

price. M2: But it’s just that, well, today there

3:03:53

is simply an urgent need for money. Then how much

3:03:56

can you offer? M1: Well, I can

3:03:58

raise the price, sort of. M2: Yes? M1: But there

3:04:00

at 11 euros the price is unrealistic. 2: Well,

3:04:03

how much, how much, tell me? M1: Well, I

3:04:05

can do 2,600.

3:04:07

Well, how much would that come to per pole then?

3:04:08

M1: Well, I don’t know, it comes out

3:04:10

higher there, but that’s not

3:04:11

fully stated... that it’s 2 there. I just need

3:04:13

to calculate how much that could

3:04:15

be. 1: 2,600. So that’s 2,600 from you. I

3:04:18

can take it there, like from the former

3:04:20

partner, at 2,700. That’s the maximum. I simply

3:04:22

can’t do more. 2: 27... 2. 2,700, right? M1

3:04:25

[unclear]. M2: he stepped away for some business.

3:04:26

2,700. So I’ll calculate everything now.

3:04:29

All right, 2,700 then. About how many do we have there

3:04:30

in terms of poles? Five and five

3:04:32

poles. 2,700. All right, then let’s settle

3:04:34

on this price for now. I’m not

3:04:36

finishing the thought. So, we need to send a truck there.

3:04:38

I’ll give instructions now regarding

3:04:40

the Kirov forestry enterprise. Shipment will begin today.

3:04:42

All right. You already have the specification.

3:04:45

M1: But that applies only to the next trucks.

3:04:48

That is, this truck is still going at the old

3:04:50

price. M2 laughs. Well then, Pyotr

3:04:52

Yuryevich, why is it at the old price?

3:04:54

1? Because you already issued the invoice for it

3:04:56

at that price. Pyotr Petrovich

3:04:59

2? Yes. M1: You simply owe us according to the

3:05:01

documents. 2: All right, then send the truck.

3:05:03

I’ll give the order now,

3:05:04

so they can start loading. M1: All right then. And to whom

3:05:06

should it be sent? 2: Send what? M1: Well,

3:05:09

in any case, give the order so that they

3:05:10

start loading there. Uh, without finishing,

3:05:13

so that they start making it too... [unfinished].

3:05:15

M2: The truck. Send the truck. 197, case

3:05:17

file? Uh, M1: Ah, all right, all right. M2.

3:05:22

Uh, go ahead. M1: Where should it be sent? M2: To

3:05:25

Kirovsky Leskho... so they can load up. 1

3:05:27

Mm-hmm. Good. 2: The customs declaration girl already

3:05:29

knows. 1: Well yes, all right,

3:05:31

agreed. Go ahead. 2: The invoice.

3:05:33

I’ll issue the invoice with an additional charge, or rather,

3:05:35

you will pay it. All right, fine. M1: Well,

3:05:37

as soon as shipment is made, we’ll pay immediately. 2: Yes,

3:05:39

as agreed. M1: All right then, 197, sheet

3:05:42

case file. Electronic folder 0110129

3:05:45

contains one audio recording, 5D 89503.

3:05:49

First speaker: 1, second speaker: M2.

3:05:52

M1: Yes, hi. 2: Hello, hi, you

3:05:54

called. 1: Yes, I called to find out what’s

3:05:56

new, how things are going. 2: Nothing much. And

3:05:59

just now they sent me the

3:06:01

terms of reference for the audit. M1: Uh-huh. M2: I

3:06:03

spoke with Cherchkov. He said: "We’ll do the audit.

3:06:05

Right now we’ll approve the

3:06:07

terms of reference there and hand them over." M1: Hold on,

3:06:09

just a second. 2: So everything seems

3:06:11

fine. He said that he had, like, spoken with

3:06:13

Vasya, and said that Vasya there

3:06:15

is clearly of interest. M1: Spoke with whom, with

3:06:17

whom? M2: Shchechkov spoke with

3:06:19

Vasya, said that Vasya is a decent

3:06:20

guy, but clearly wouldn’t manage as director. M1:

3:06:24

well, he could manage, yes, I think so too. 2: No,

3:06:26

he wouldn’t. He thinks he wouldn’t

3:06:28

be able to handle it. M1: No, no, no. In the

3:06:30

format that’s needed, he could handle it, M2,

3:06:32

but maybe in that format, yes, that is,

3:06:34

if we’re discussing the format that

3:06:36

you and I discussed, then he could handle it. If

3:06:39

to talk about the director as some kind of overarching figure

3:06:40

like Korolyov or someone of that scale, then of course no.

3:06:42

Right. Well, the real question here is

3:06:44

what exactly?

3:06:49

>> You know yourself what he’s going to do.

3:06:50

So I think any person who

3:06:52

would fit within the framework of this arrangement,

3:06:55

just won’t work for it, you understand? Well, in

3:06:57

my opinion, even if that were the case, I

3:06:59

still wouldn’t be a fit here either. 2. Uh-huh. M1. Right.

3:07:04

So that’s more or less how it is. 2. Well, okay. M1. Uh-huh.

3:07:07

M2. All right then. M1, let’s do that, if anything comes up,

3:07:09

let’s do it. I’m tied up until the evening, more or less.

3:07:12

1 Uh-huh, okay.

3:07:14

19. Electronic folder 0210129 contains

3:07:18

two audio recordings. In the following, uh, likewise

3:07:21

1 is the first speaker, 2 the second. Uh,

3:07:24

audio recording 82 EAB23.

3:07:28

M1: Hey. 2: Hello, hi. Yes. 1: So,

3:07:31

what’s going on there, what’s going on? 2: Well, what is it? Just now

3:07:33

I was sitting there with Gordeeva and Shchechkov, and we were also

3:07:35

discussing what to do. Well, there,

3:07:37

you understand, various candidates

3:07:38

are being considered. So, Gordeeva, for example,

3:07:40

says: "It would be ideal if it were

3:07:42

Ofitserov, because right now— M1: Who is that? Who

3:07:45

said that? M2: Gordeeva." And I think

3:07:48

that’s what she thinks. Well, basically, you understand,

3:07:50

things there are really in complete collapse right now. That is,

3:07:52

Opolev seems to have been removed, but

3:07:53

in practice he’s still sitting there doing something. And this Vasya

3:07:56

can’t do anything at all. The losses are

3:07:58

colossal, the connection cut off.

3:08:00

And on this page, audio recording

3:08:03

8329223.

3:08:05

Continuation of the previous conversation. M2,

3:08:07

yes. 1: The connection dropped. M2: Got it. So,

3:08:10

well, basically, over there it really is

3:08:11

a total collapse. Absolutely no one

3:08:13

is managing anything. 1: Well yes, they’ll

3:08:15

be dead by January already. M2:

3:08:19

there are gigantic losses there. Timber—

3:08:21

they no longer want to take it on lease.

3:08:22

They say they’ll work under contracts instead.

3:08:24

There is no justification whatsoever. None at all. That is,

3:08:27

the forestry enterprises are not obeying. Complete

3:08:29

[expletive]. 1 [unclear] M2. So basically, well,

3:08:32

they’re already saying, [expletive], let’s

3:08:35

bring Upolev back, because at least he

3:08:36

knows something. I say: "Well, [expletive],

3:08:39

you can’t bring Opolev back." Tyshlik is apparently

3:08:41

demanding that Opolev be brought back; otherwise

3:08:43

he doesn’t want it. So Tyshlik is also

3:08:44

digging in his heels and demanding that

3:08:47

Opolev be returned. M1: Uh-huh. M2: [expletive]. So,

3:08:51

basically, no one there knows

3:08:53

anything. That new guy who was

3:08:54

heading the department—some guy named Ravel or something.

3:08:57

Well, he too, accordingly, is there saying

3:08:58

[expletive], well, he says, I don’t

3:09:00

know, maybe bring Popolev back, because

3:09:02

at least he understands something.

3:09:05

So there, roughly speaking,

3:09:06

[inaudible]. M1 interrupts

3:09:09

uh, [expletive], he doesn’t understand, he

3:09:11

M2: I also, I also, accordingly, tell him

3:09:13

that he doesn’t understand a damn thing, but

3:09:16

they say: "All right then, who?"

3:09:17

Vasya apparently can’t handle it. By now, that’s the general

3:09:20

consensus there. They say: "Well then, let’s

3:09:21

go with Ofitserov." I say: "Yes, but Ofitserov

3:09:23

doesn’t really want to." They say:

3:09:25

"[Expletive], then what are we supposed to do?" M1: Uh,

3:09:28

well, look, I’ve been thinking about it. Maybe,

3:09:30

you know, if we sign a contract, but

3:09:33

you know, structure it there as,

3:09:35

roughly speaking, not as a general

3:09:38

director, right, and not as an anti-crisis

3:09:41

manager either. But specifically as

3:09:45

management for a transitional period,

3:09:46

roughly speaking, for organizing things,

3:09:49

for reorganization, that is, like, uh,

3:09:56

yes, so one of the main points there,

3:09:58

one of the key things, is a flexible schedule. So

3:10:00

I wouldn’t be tied to that

3:10:02

chair. And then we would spell out what

3:10:05

needs to be done, lay out the plans.

3:10:06

And I would simply become

3:10:08

the implementer of that plan. Only in that

3:10:10

kind of format, somewhere between a consultant, you know, and

3:10:12

a general director. So it would be like

3:10:14

having the powers of a general

3:10:15

director, but

3:10:18

without the general director’s responsibility. M2:

3:10:20

But they won’t agree to that, you understand?

3:10:22

What do they need? They have a state function there,

3:10:25

a contract, they have meetings in that

3:10:26

department, that is, they already have

3:10:29

civil service there, and with a flexible schedule

3:10:31

they naturally won’t agree. So that’s

3:10:33

how it is. They want to have

3:10:34

an official, essentially. M1: [expletive]. M2:

3:10:38

Yes. So, basically, that’s it.

3:10:39

M1: And what will happen—[inaudible]? 2: You understand?

3:10:42

Then, besides that, I’m afraid that right now

3:10:44

if we appoint you, all those people there propped up by

3:10:47

Opolev—the directors of the forestry enterprises—they

3:10:48

will start an open war against you, or

3:10:50

a covert one. 1: Well, yes. 2: Or some other

3:10:54

kind. And accordingly, there

3:10:56

some huge problems will start,

3:10:57

and they’ll dump all of them on you. 200 or

3:11:00

did. M1: Well, yes. And what about Vasya?

3:11:03

Why don’t they want Vasya, M2? Well, because

3:11:05

apparently he can’t handle it. Well, I don’t know, that’s

3:11:07

the opinion of both Shcherchkov and that Gordeeva.

3:11:09

Uh, and as I understand it, Arzamasov

3:11:12

also thinks he can’t handle it—that he’s decent, smart,

3:11:15

but he [expletive] can’t manage

3:11:17

all of that. He’s apparently not charismatic enough,

3:11:19

meaning he won’t cope with those people.

3:11:21

M1: Uh, yes, that’s true. Uh, well, in principle,

3:11:24

you know, one could, you know, come in there on

3:11:26

a trial period, so that, damn it, with the

3:11:28

condition that for those three months they don’t

3:11:30

touch me. Uh, well, you know, actually

3:11:32

it would be possible to come in for three months and see.

3:11:35

If there are any huge problems,

3:11:38

Well, to hell with it then, I refused.

3:11:41

You understand? So now we can

3:11:42

think about how to draw up a contract

3:11:44

of that kind, something along the lines of, well, [obscenity].

3:11:46

I agree, but on the condition that

3:11:48

there's a three-month probation period — meaning I spend three months

3:11:50

looking at them, and they spend three

3:11:53

months looking at me, and that's fine. M2.

3:11:56

Yeah, we need to think about it. Maybe I'm already thinking

3:11:58

in [obscene] terms. Of course, I don't really want to

3:12:00

pull some clever trick and at the same time put

3:12:02

you and that [obscene] idiot

3:12:04

Opolev in place so that he signs all the

3:12:06

[obscene] — uh, all the unpopular decisions

3:12:08

while you actually run everything. M1.

3:12:12

So what, M2? Or won't that work? 1: But

3:12:15

if the signature is his, then that's exactly how it'll be.

3:12:17

You know how we could do it? Here's

3:12:19

what we could do. Look, there,

3:12:21

roughly speaking, I come in as

3:12:23

executive director, M2, while 1

3:12:26

has Opolev as general director, right? 2: Uh-huh. M1,

3:12:29

let's say that's just a shitty

3:12:30

option. It's an absolutely shitty option, but

3:12:32

it exists. I come in as executive

3:12:34

director with Opolev as general director, I remove

3:12:36

Bastrigina, and accordingly I appoint

3:12:38

a finance director. M2GUM1 and

3:12:40

a commercial director. I don't know, Vasya,

3:12:42

or not Vasya. M21. So. And accordingly, I

3:12:46

would also make changes in production there.

3:12:49

We don't need Tyshlik. Here I am. And here and

3:12:52

here, you see, we need to clearly

3:12:54

spell out what the functions will be. That is,

3:12:55

we need to specify the functions

3:12:56

of the executive director, the functions

3:12:57

of the general director. And the general director should specifically

3:12:59

be more of a, well, a figurehead

3:13:01

general. Remember what we talked about

3:13:02

six months ago? M2: Yes, yes, yes. M1: Namely that

3:13:06

the general director has

3:13:07

representational functions. M2 OGU M1. You

3:13:09

remember, like the president in France? 2?

3:13:11

Yeah, I get it. 1: So really, right now

3:13:13

it doesn't matter anyway. We need to amend the charter. The charter

3:13:16

was redone, after all. 2: Uh-huh.

3:13:18

Done in 2011?

3:13:21

M1: Redo it — just rewrite the charter

3:13:24

rewrite this thing and, basically, for the

3:13:27

general director reduce the

3:13:28

number of powers — I mean, there,

3:13:30

roughly speaking, all sorts of

3:13:32

things, personnel paperwork, he can sign, damn it, but

3:13:35

the only question is how to make sure he

3:13:37

— you understand, [obscenity] — he won't

3:13:39

obey. So then the only thing left is

3:13:42

to squeeze everyone afterward and say, uh,

3:13:44

[obscenity] you all — meaning you can

3:13:47

be friends with Sopole as much as you like, but

3:13:50

I still won't give you any [obscene word] money

3:13:52

to anyone. M2: Uh, but maybe that actually is

3:13:56

an option. All right then, okay, let's

3:13:57

think about that, because I

3:13:59

just really, right now, kind of

3:14:01

understand that he still has some

3:14:03

influence. I'll be dealing with those

3:14:04

forestry enterprises, especially since things there really

3:14:06

are, uh, [obscenity] already — I'm telling you,

3:14:10

they're refusing state contracts.

3:14:12

Yes, they say it's because of the timber and the state contract. Besides,

3:14:13

the prosecutor's office brought

3:14:15

an order regarding that large lot,

3:14:18

so they won't have any timber. Well, that is,

3:14:20

uh, they won't have any [obscenity] either. 30 million

3:14:24

in payroll there — well, a complete

3:14:25

[obscenity], so they'll have to

3:14:28

be bankrupted anyway, apparently.

3:14:30

M1: 30 million? M2: Well, 30 million a month is their

3:14:33

payroll. M1: Well then they need to be

3:14:37

cut back at a rapid pace before

3:14:38

the New Year. M2: More or less. M1: They

3:14:41

need to lay off 1,000 people. Basically, by

3:14:43

sometime in October already. M2: Yeah,

3:14:45

all right.

3:14:51

2 OGU 2011, electronic folder titled

3:14:53

21109.

3:14:55

And one audio recording, uh, 899

3:15:00

D503.

3:15:02

Same thing. M1 is the first speaker, 2

3:15:04

is the second. M1: Hello. M2: Hello, hey. M1.

3:15:07

Hey. 2: I obviously couldn't make it to you

3:15:09

today. M1: What? M2: I'm already

3:15:12

on the train, couldn't come, already on

3:15:13

the train. M1: Ah, okay. M2: Everything's

3:15:16

a mess. Anyway, I've got two

3:15:18

pieces of news. 1: Uh-huh. M2: First, I'm

3:15:20

leaving. Second, I signed the payment schedule

3:15:22

through March 8. Well, third, I signed the penalty

3:15:24

notices. M1: Signed all of them? Yes. M2: Yes. For

3:15:28

536,000.

3:15:30

M1: Well, that's great. So basically everything

3:15:32

is done, it worked out. M2: What? M1: Everything,

3:15:34

everything we planned, we did it all. Yes.

3:15:37

M2: So it turns out that, yes, basically

3:15:39

I didn't manage to call you in time,

3:15:41

so we'd have to rush. Well, the accountant

3:15:43

[inaudible] to the office already something. About the report

3:15:45

[inaudible]. So, uh, that's how it is.

3:15:49

1: Well, excellent. Excellent then, okay, everything's

3:15:50

okay. Anything else new there? M1: No,

3:15:52

nothing. 2: Everything's fine. M1: But I

3:15:56

ran into Shichkov in the cafeteria.

3:15:58

He kind of asked me, said,

3:16:00

what's going on there and all that. But he said, "Well,

3:16:02

they say they make the offended carry water" (a Russian saying meaning people take advantage of those who sulk). But

3:16:04

I just kind of... and he says, "So,

3:16:06

is Petya going to come in or not?" But

3:16:08

I just mumbled something vague.

3:16:10

Neither yes nor no. 2: Uh-huh. All right, actually

3:16:12

we really don't need any of all that

3:16:15

at all. 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. M2: Look,

3:16:18

here's what I wanted to say. There's an idea

3:16:20

like this, right. Look, KAGUP has problems right now.

3:16:22

Problems.

3:16:24

Basically, during the season they always have problems with

3:16:27

the weather. I mean, they can't

3:16:28

haul anything out. There's an idea. We could

3:16:30

buy tractor units built on tank chassis, on a tank

3:16:32

T-55.

3:16:34

They cost around 700,000 each. I

3:16:37

can sell them to the state unit for 700,000 apiece.

3:16:39

M1: Well, M2. So, this

3:16:42

tractor, I mean, it really is military equipment,

3:16:44

it breaks down half as often, well,

3:16:46

basically less often and lasts longer than,

3:16:49

than civilian machinery. Those others just stop and

3:16:52

that’s it. And it can haul timber out of any logging site

3:16:54

even through swamp. Uh, they put special

3:16:58

tracks on it, and it pulls 30 cubic meters there through

3:17:00

the swamps, almost underwater. Damn,

3:17:02

I saw it myself.

3:17:04

M1: Uh-huh. Yeah, it probably burns a lot of diesel

3:17:06

fuel. M2: Same as a Ural truck, which

3:17:09

hauls half the volume through mud. There’s

3:17:11

some kind of system to it. You load 30 cubic meters onto

3:17:14

it, onto the tractor, and haul it, not

3:17:16

to mention if you load 20 cubic meters there

3:17:19

or 15 cubic meters onto a Ural and haul it along the same

3:17:21

same road. Well, roughly speaking,

3:17:22

through mud, right. They sink up to the axle,

3:17:25

right down to the axle. And the Ural burns exactly

3:17:27

as much as the tank. So basically

3:17:29

the reason I’m saying this is, there

3:17:31

the setup is almost identical. And,

3:17:33

accordingly, if that state unit buys

3:17:35

10 of these tanks, then it’ll just be

3:17:37

a great deal. And you need 10, because then the question

3:17:40

comes to about 7 million, right? That is,

3:17:41

you need 7 million in investment. That’s much

3:17:43

better than

3:17:46

203 or doing, than

3:17:49

spending 1.5 million on an auditor, whereas for

3:17:53

7 million we buy seven tanks, 10

3:17:56

tanks, rather, and that’s it. Well, I

3:17:58

think that Kagub won’t be buying anything

3:18:00

any time soon for sure, if

3:18:01

we’re talking about its bankruptcy, you know?

3:18:03

Maybe some kind of Kagub-2 or something

3:18:07

M2: Do you think they’re going to bankrupt it? M1: Well,

3:18:09

I think so, yes. I mean, it’s kind of

3:18:11

unclear there, but I think yes. M2: Well,

3:18:14

because I spoke with Vasya,

3:18:15

and he says there’s supposedly a chance

3:18:18

to crawl out of it. M1: Well, if the legal

3:18:21

department allows them to use the timber

3:18:23

that under the contract wasn’t used

3:18:25

before New Year, then [inaudible] in

3:18:26

January-February, it would come to around

3:18:29

[inaudible] 7 million could be made in a year

3:18:31

from that. And as for the debt to Sberbank (Russia’s largest state bank), I think it should be possible

3:18:33

to come to terms on it. M1: Right, I see.

3:18:35

All right, we’ll find out. In short, we’ll think it over.

3:18:37

For now, we still need to deal

3:18:39

with this situation. Sort it out, and then let me

3:18:40

know. M2: What are you saying? Oh, I’m

3:18:43

saying that right now we’ll sort this situation

3:18:45

out.

3:18:50

M1: All right, okay. M2: All right then, that’s all. M1:

3:18:53

Take care, good luck. Mm, bye. M1: All the

3:18:55

best. M2: See you. 203 case file.

3:18:59

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3:19:25

in the electronic folder named 0402,

3:19:29

and having the following identifying features,

3:19:31

were listened to: an audio recording titled 7FDF

3:19:35

603 and an audio recording titled 7715203.

3:19:40

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the specified audio recordings established

3:19:43

the content of the following conversation

3:19:45

between two men. It was also determined that

3:19:47

the first speaker is M1, the second speaker is

3:19:48

M2. 204 or made audio recording 7 FDF

3:19:52

60031. Hello. M2: Lyoshka, what did you want? M1: I

3:19:56

was just about to stop by. M2: No, no, I’m

3:19:58

not there. M1: You’re not there? Y-yes. M1: Right.

3:20:01

It’s just that a representative of the Interior Ministry

3:20:03

from the Volga Federal District

3:20:04

just came to see me. M2: Wow. M1: About

3:20:07

Kirovles. M2: Wow. M1: So, accordingly,

3:20:09

they’re conducting some kind of inquiry. Kirovles management

3:20:12

is giving statements saying that I

3:20:14

interfered in the company’s operations,

3:20:15

forced counterparties on them, and so on.

3:20:18

M2: All right, I’ll come by in half an hour, I’ll

3:20:20

stop in myself. And you know what else

3:20:23

is going on here? I just got a vaccination downstairs

3:20:25

myself. They’re looking for you now too, to give you a vaccination

3:20:27

as well. M1: Ah, oh, I’ll come by now. Yes,

3:20:29

I’ll do it. M2: Come by. All right. And I’ll see you in

3:20:32

half an hour. M1: Uh-huh. Thanks a lot. M2:

3:20:35

I’m heading out for half an hour; in half an hour I’ll be

3:20:37

at your place. M1: Okay, agreed.

3:20:39

All right, bye. M2: Uh-huh.

3:20:41

Also present on this sheet is

3:20:42

audio recording 771203.

3:20:46

M1: Hello. M2: Hello, hi. Can you

3:20:48

talk? M2: Hi, Petya. I can. M2:

3:20:51

What’s going on with us? Interesting. M1:

3:20:54

Some guy just called

3:20:56

literally 15 minutes ago and said, ‘I’m

3:20:57

from the Interior Ministry for the Volga Federal District. We’re conducting an inquiry regarding

3:21:00

Kirovles and I want to speak with you.’ M2:

3:21:02

That’s exactly why I’m calling you.

3:21:05

M1: So what? M2: He called me too

3:21:07

probably about 40 minutes ago. In one corner.

3:21:10

M2 case file 5, line 2: It makes sense that he

3:21:14

called you. Me, that’s understandable. I was his client,

3:21:15

after all. M1: Well then, all right. Are you in

3:21:17

Moscow now? M2: Yes, in Moscow. Uh, M1: I’m

3:21:20

going to Moscow today. Let’s

3:21:22

meet up somewhere there. I don’t know, maybe

3:21:24

around Kiyevsky Station. I’ll be heading back by

3:21:26

plane

3:21:27

on the way back. M2: All right, let’s do it tomorrow. When

3:21:30

Will you go? Back. Tomorrow. M1. Tomorrow.

3:21:32

I'm already flying back. M2. Uh-huh. M1. Let me...

3:21:34

I'll call you tomorrow from Moscow and...

3:21:36

we'll arrange it. K2. Yes. Well, look, basically...

3:21:39

then we're agreeing on a meeting. And I...

3:21:41

said that right now, like, well...

3:21:43

it's not me managing the company, but my brother. He...

3:21:44

says, "Ah, can I talk to him?"

3:21:47

5203

3:21:49

M1: "Hello, 2, hello, hey." Can you...

3:21:52

speak 2: "Hey...

3:21:54

2: So, what is it, how are things going with us there?

3:21:56

Interesting. Some guy just called M1...

3:21:58

literally 15 minutes ago and said...

3:22:00

that he's from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal District, we're conducting an inspection, how...

3:22:02

there will be... I want to speak with you. 2 I...

3:22:06

I was just about to call you about that.

3:22:08

M1. So what? M2. He called me...

3:22:10

probably about 40 minutes ago.

3:22:13

M2. Well, let's do it tomorrow, when you go...

3:22:15

back. Tomorrow 1 tomorrow I'm already...

3:22:17

back. M2 will. M1. Let me...

3:22:19

call you tomorrow. 2: Yes. Well, look, basically...

3:22:23

then we're setting up a meeting. I said that...

3:22:26

right now, like, I'm not the one managing the company...

3:22:28

it's my brother. He says, "Ah, can I...

3:22:31

talk to him?" I say, "Well, of course...

3:22:33

you can." So, well, 1 okay, 2 gave...

3:22:35

the phone number and said I called and said...

3:22:39

I'm telling the whole truth, whatever it is, that's it, 2...

3:22:41

and that's all. 1 the main thing, 2 then let's do it tomorrow, I'll...

3:22:44

wife, come on, 2ga

3:22:50

the text ended, signatures of the witnesses after...

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the completion of listening to the above-mentioned...

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audio recordings transferred onto compact...

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discs with the indicated numbers, the latter...

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packed into a paper envelope of ... color, the flap...

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which is sealed with fastening tape, under...

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which white sheets of paper are placed with...

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certifying entries, stamp impressions in the form...

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Investigative Committee of the Russian

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Federation, Main Investigative

3:23:13

Directorate

3:23:14

Omsk

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made in blue ink, as well as...

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the signatures of the witnesses and the investigator after...

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after that, there are signatures of the witnesses...

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in addition, before the beginning and until the end...

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of the inspection, no statements from the participating witnesses...

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were received.

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there are also the signatures of the witnesses.

3:23:32

there is, uh, a note stating that the record...

3:23:34

was personally read by the witnesses.

3:23:38

After that, again, there are signatures...

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of the witnesses,

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there is the signature of the investigator...

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to provide information... huge...

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...zani.

3:24:00

Can it be submitted to the court tomorrow?

3:24:02

>> they have a hearing, don't be late

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>> and I need to print out one of the letters,

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that Svetly sent me.

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