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Ruling of July 1, 2016, city of

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Kirov, the Kirov District Court of the city of

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Kirov, presiding judge with the participation of

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the state prosecutor, head of the department

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of the state prosecution department of the Kirov Region

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region, Bandam, senior officer of the department for the execution of

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anti-corruption measures of the Kirov Region, Chereva

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representative Zolotoy

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Sinichnik, lawyer Mikhail, for the officer

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enik

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the lawyer, materials of the criminal case

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regarding

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Navalny, commission of a crime

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provided for by Part 3 of Article 160

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of the officer

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the ruling, submission of deputies of the regional duma

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investigator

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1334, ruling, part components

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state, volume

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13536, ruling of the regional court

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of 2009 granting permission for

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conducting operational-search activities

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telephone, 137, inspection report on listening to

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audio recordings of conversations

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of the normal officer

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966, report on the inspection of items dated the 17th

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of April 2012, Volume 12, p. 279, conclusion

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of the phonoscopic examination, Volume

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13150, ruling of November 2012

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on ordering a comprehensive psychological

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and linguistic forensic examination, Volume 13

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19518, conclusion of the code-logistical

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expert examination by Fedey

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260 state

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support

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the criminal case statement concerning the court's statement

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is located, not subject to

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decision to provide

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results of July 19, 2012

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124

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Ida state

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of 2012

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12356 was issued by an authorized official

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head of the usk

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of the region within the scope of his committee in accordance

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with August 12

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1995, No. 144-FZ, On Operational-Search Activity

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activity, paragraph de

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instruction of operational

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activity, investigator, prosecutor, in the rulings

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specific Kirov measures and information are indicated

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subject to classification and attachment to the criminal case

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of the Kirov Regional Court dated August 3

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2009, decision on telephone conversations, Volume

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1237 was issued by a proper official

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person, by the session of the regional court

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court and may be appealed in the prescribed manner

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4718, ruling of November 28, appointment

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of the examination

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psychological expert examination, Volume 13, pages 95 to 98, was issued

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by a proper official, the senior investigator

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for especially important cases of the investigative department

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investigation of especially important cases

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crimes against state authority

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in the sphere of economics of the main dep

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procedural certification and the basic

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requirements of the law are contained as provided

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by the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation, by the Prosecutor General, petitions were disclosed

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to the population. Moreover, by virtue of Article

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of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation, it is not evidence in

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a criminal case, it merely confirms the grounds

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for conducting operational-search measures

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Let us examine the inspection report made while listening

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to the audio, Volume 12, pages 168–206, inspection report of 1

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October 2012, Volume 12, sheets 27–29

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conclusion of the endoscopic examination

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Volume

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13218, conclusion of the comprehensive psychological

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examination, Volume 13, case 20142, from the standpoint of

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admissibility, by personal types of inspection

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of the examination of the audio recording conducted on the following date, the 8th

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of August 2012, in the presence of

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under Article 164

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6677, during the inspection and at its conclusion, remarks

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from the participants were not received; personally, the contents

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of the inspection report state that

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inspection

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form, as well as the existing

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recording

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disk made available to the court, containing on it

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video recordings, fully confirms the information

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in the report, including the secret attachment

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regarding the contents of the audio, and the defense's claim that

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the reliability of the content

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of the information is recognized as unfounded and

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was refuted during the court hearing

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also the defense

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its receipt due to expiration

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of the regional

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court, p. 4

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no remarks whatsoever from the persons participating personally

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by direct observation, reliably, and in accordance with

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the protocol; no report was received upon entry

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the defense argues that the discrepancy in the number of items

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actually received by the expert institution

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and the number actually indicated in the protocol, which they

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consider to be independently established as

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a discrepancy appearing in various different

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documents, to be a technical error, since

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the case materials also

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directly indicate the number of discs

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it has been reliably established that they contain

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discs

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established

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salting

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case materials, ruling

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materials

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4641

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kopecks

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the expert examination is based on and corresponds to

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Ruling dated the 24th

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of the year. Basis for qualification

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Yes, the appointment of the expert examination and the experts

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the experts' rights

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psycholinguistic

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13

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14, the corresponding ruling and the examination

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basis for qualification

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experts from the expert center with extensive

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experience

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cia

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premises

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accepted under Article 57

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signed

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of the conclusion. Under the Criminal Code, this examination was carried out

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see page 27 of the descriptive part of the conclusion

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the terminology that was used

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by the experts in the text under examination; after that

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there are the experts' signatures on the psychology section

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on each page of the conclusion there are

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the seal of the expert institution and the experts' personal stamps

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the experts have them according to their own records

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these questions, and therefore it will be

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put to the experts and clarified by the experts orally

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it follows from the materials that the commission generally suffices

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from the expert conclusion it follows that

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each of the experts had either another

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conducted the examination and did not assess

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the results independently, which the defense finds

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to be a violation of part 2 of Article 21

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thus, no violations of the law

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in obtaining and providing the specified

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documents have been established; there are no grounds

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it should be under the article

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256 3134, ruling concerning Lis Grech sine

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constituting a state... volume 12 of the case file

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135–136, ruling of the Kirov Regional Court

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dated August 3, 2009

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granting authorization to conduct

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wiretapping of telephone conversations

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937, record of inspection and listening to the recording

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of conversations... volumes 168–206

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record of inspection of documents dated October 1

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201, volume 12

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... conclusion ... volume 13, page 8

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ruling of November 28 of that year on

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the appointment of a comprehensive psychological

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forensic examination, volume 13 of the case file

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1958, conclusion of the comprehensive

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psychological... 14 presented

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the court hearing continues

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the hearing on establishing

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the procedure; before I propose

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to the court the order of examination

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of the evidence that the defense

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will present, are there any further motions requiring

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procedural resolution?

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A motion to exclude evidence is at issue

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concerning the ruling appointing a comprehensive

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psychological and legal expert examination dated the 28th

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of November 2012, volume 13 of the case file

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19518, and the conclusion of the comprehensive

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psychological forensic examination No.

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02/1 dated January 8, 2013, volume 13, page

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of the case file

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24260. Before I turn, Your Honor, to

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the reasoning for the motion filed

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I would like to note that the defense puts forward

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grounds for declaring these

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items of evidence inadmissible that are different

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from those previously presented by attorney

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Mikhailo in the general motion to

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exclude

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evidence related to operational-search wiretapping

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of telephone conversations; here

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the grounds are indeed entirely different

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the issue concerns procedural

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violations; at that time you had also filed

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a motion regarding evidence, and I will resolve it

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after the expert examination

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So, the defense insists that the aforementioned

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ruling and the experts' conclusion

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constitute inadmissible evidence

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in accordance with part ... and paragraph 3

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of part 1 of Article 75 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation, are not subject

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to examination at the court hearing and must

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be excluded from the list of evidence

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submitted by the prosecution. According to part

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1 of the article of the Criminal Procedure Code, a comprehensive examination is

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an examination in which the conduct of which

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involves experts of different

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specializations. The ruling states

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a psycholinguistic examination dated November 28

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2012, volume 13

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19518, and the conclusion of the comprehensive psychological

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and linguistic examination of the указанного

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number and reference details, volume 13

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214–216. In conducting the expert

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examination, the admissibility of which is disputed

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by the defense, two experts took part

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of different specialties: a psychologist and a linguist

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as provided by law

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the rule that applies to

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the conclusion of a comprehensive forensic

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psychological examination, namely, that in the conclusion

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it is mandatory to indicate which

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examinations were conducted and to what extent

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Each expert, what facts they established in their part

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of the examination, and what conclusions the expert reached

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each expert arrived at

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Each expert who participated in conducting the comprehensive

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forensic examination signs only that

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part of the report

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and bears responsibility specifically for that part

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of the report. As is evident from the report

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of the comprehensive psychological forensic

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examination No. 02/1 dated January 8, 2013

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Volume 13 of the case file

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24260, the requirements are set out

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of criminal procedure law, namely

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the requirements set out in Part 2 of Article

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201 of the Criminal Procedure Code. When preparing the report, they were not

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complied with, in particular, in violation of

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Part 2 of the Criminal Procedure Code, the report does not indi-

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cate what examinations and in what specific volume were

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conducted by the linguistics expert, and what

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specific examinations, and in what volume, were

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conducted by the forensic psychologist. From

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the report of the panel of experts

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it follows that the comprehensive psychological

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and linguistic

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examination was conducted by an expert

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panel of the Southern Expert Center in

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the composition of psychologist expert Kisko and

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a linguistics expert

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and this is stated on

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Volume 13, page 21, where the following is stated

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verbatim: "The panel conducted

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an examination of the submitted materials

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of the criminal case file, listened to

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the audio recording, and studied specialized

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literature on the psychology of communication

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legal psychology, and linguistics

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an audio analysis was conducted."

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Article 201.1, the report does not contain

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information about which specific examinations

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and in what volume were carried out by the psychologist expert

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and which specific examinations were carried out by the expert

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linguist

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Thus, the defense's argument that the report

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contains an undifferentiated research section

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between the psychologist and the linguist experts

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in violation of the requirements of Article 20 of the Criminal Procedure Code

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is confirmed by the description of the methodology

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of the examination set out on page

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217 of Volume 13 of the case file, verbatim quote:

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"Submitted for resolution by the panel of experts was a list

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of questions within the competence of the psychologist and

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linguist experts." End of quote. At the same time, the

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report does not say that the submitted

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list of questions relates to the competence

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of the psychologist and the competence of the linguist to

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an equal degree. But even if

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the submitted list of questions did relate

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equally to the competence of both

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experts, the requirements of Article 201.1 of the Criminal Procedure Code

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are such that even in that case each

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expert separately must indicate the list

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and scope of the examinations that were

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conducted specifically by him or her within this

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report

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Further, the description of the examination methodology

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states verbatim: "Each member of the expert

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panel conducted a full examination of

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each question submitted for

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the comprehensive examination." This also

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contains... The defense draws the court's attention to

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the fact that the violation of

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the article lies in that each member of the expert panel

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did not specify which exact examinations, in

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what

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scope, were conducted. The linguist should not have studied specialized

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literature on the psychology of communication

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or legal psychology, and did not apply

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psychological analysis of the audio recordings when

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conducting the examination; likewise

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the psychologist expert did not study specialized

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literature on linguistics and did not apply

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linguistic analysis in the examination

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because the use by the linguist expert

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of specialized knowledge from the field of psychology

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and by the psychologist expert from the field

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of linguistics is impossible, since it lies

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outside their

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competence. In substantiating the

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circumstance that both the psychologist and

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the linguist did not each separately indicate

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what examinations, and in what volume, they

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conducted, what facts in their respective part

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of the examination each expert established, and what

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conclusion he reached, the panel of experts on

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page 217 of Volume 13 stated

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verbatim: "In accordance with

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paragraph 12 of the Resolution of the Plenum

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of the Supreme Court dated December 12, 2010

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No. 28, On Forensic Examination in

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Criminal Cases, the panel conducting the comprehensive

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examination formulated general conclusions

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on the questions posed."

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At the same time, the Resolution of the Plenum

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of the Supreme Court to which the

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panel of experts refers, dated

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2010, No. 28, On Forensic Examination in

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Criminal Cases, and in particular paragraph 12

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of that Resolution, does not отменate the requirements

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of Article 201 of the Criminal Procedure Code and does not

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contradict them. That Resolution states in

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paragraph 12 that in necessary

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cases, when the examination goes beyond

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the competence of a single expert and

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a panel of experts

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may be appointed to conduct

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a comprehensive

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examination

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carried out by several experts on

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the basis of using different specialized

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areas of knowledge. In such a case, the experts draw up

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a joint report. The experts' report must

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state what

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examinations each expert conducted, what

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facts each personally established, and what conclusion

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he or she reached

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as an expert

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As a result of the comprehensive examination

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he or she is entitled to give a single conclusion on

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the issue examined by him, the expert opinion from

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his own name, on the basis of the studies

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conducted by him in accordance with his

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specialized knowledge. He is not responsible for

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the opinion in the manner established

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by law.

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When conducting a comprehensive expert examination, it must

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contain information about which

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studies were carried out by each of the experts,

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what facts he established, even in the event

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that the expert signs the joint

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opinion. Moreover, as follows from

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the legal position of the Supreme Court, only in the

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case of a comprehensive expert opinion

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may it fail to distinguish in

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the research and factual parts when

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the comprehensive examination

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are necessary for conducting a comprehensive

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study. But in this case, one

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expert must possess specialized

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knowledge both in the field of psychology and in

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the field of linguistics; accordingly,

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the existence of such specialized knowledge must

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be documented.

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Documentarily. As for the defense's arguments

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that in the opinion

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of the comprehensive psychological and linguistic

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forensic examination it is not stated which

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facts each expert established in his part of the study,

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and what conclusions he reached,

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as well as that each expert

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who participated in conducting the examination

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did not sign his part of the study, then

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these arguments are confirmed by the part

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of the expert opinion entitled

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"Study of the materials of the criminal case,"

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Volume 13, case file page 218,

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221; by the part of the study of the audio recording, page

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221–229 verso in the same Volume 13;

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and by the study on the questions submitted for

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resolution by the panel

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of experts, Volume 13, case file pages 229 verso–255

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verso. According to the 2001 Federal Law

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On State Forensic Expert Activity

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in the Russian Federation, namely

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the requirements set out in Article 2

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of the said Federal Law, within a panel

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of experts entrusted with conducting

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a forensic examination, each expert

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independently and autonomously conducts

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research, evaluates the results

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obtained by him personally and by the other experts,

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and formulates conclusions on the questions posed

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within the limits of his specialized

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knowledge. When conducting a panel or comprehensive expert examination,

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within the limits of his specialized

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knowledge, the opinion shall indicate, for each expert participating

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in the examination, which

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studies were carried out, to what extent by each

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expert, what facts he established, and what

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conclusions he reached. Each expert

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participating in the conduct of a comprehensive

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examination signs that part of the opinion

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which contains the description of the studies carried out

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and bears responsibility for it

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as conducted.

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Given these arguments,

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the opinion was prepared in violation of the requirements

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of Article 201 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation and Article 23 of Federal Law No. 73, and

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of the requirements of the Supreme Court set out

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in Resolution No. 28 of December 21,

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Consequently, it must be recognized

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as inadmissible evidence by virtue of

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Part 1 and Clause 3 of Part 2

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of Article 75

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of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation.

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We also have other arguments in

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support of this motion.

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The order appointing the comprehensive

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psychological and linguistic examination

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states that the investigator had at his disposal

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two optical discs

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containing audio recordings of telephone

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conversations involving Navalny and

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Ofitserov as part of the investigation

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of the criminal case. A comprehensive forensic

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examination was conducted, as a result of which it was

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established what the conversations

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between Navalny and Ofitserov contained, as further stated in

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the order.

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The conduct of a repeat forensic psychological

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and linguistic examination, Volume 13,

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pages 55–96. Thus, from the order

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appointing the examination it is clear that both

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the subject matter and the object of the study

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were two optical discs

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containing audio recordings of telephone

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conversations between Navalny and Ofitserov. At the same time,

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as follows from the order

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appointing the comprehensive forensic psychological

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and linguistic examination and from the experts' opinion,

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together with the investigator's order

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appointing the examination,

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the experts were also provided with

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the following materials, among others:

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a copy of a letter from the administration

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of the Government of Kirov Region addressed to

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OOO; a copy of the order bringing Oplev as

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an accused person; a copy

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of the record of the interrogation of the accused Oplev, dated

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16.02.2; a copy of the record of Navalny's interrogation;

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copies of the records of Ofitserov's interrogations; a copy

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of the record

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of interrogation; a copy of the interrogation record;

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an interrogation record of Bast. Information about this

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is contained in Volume 13 on case file pages

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195–218, 216

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verso. These materials were submitted

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together with the order appointing

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the examination and were reflected in the part

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of the opinion entitled "Study

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of the materials of the criminal case." We draw

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the court's attention to the fact that

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the comprehensive forensic psycholinguistic

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examination, as stated in the order,

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was appointed for the examination of

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audio recordings containing a recording

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of the telephone conversations between Navalny and

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Ofitserov, without repeating the arguments about the inadmissibility

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of conducting an examination on the basis of these audio

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recordings, as previously set out by the defense. We

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note that providing

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experts with materials

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from the criminal case that relate neither

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to the subject matter nor to the object of the

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expert examination is inadmissible

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and unlawful.

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from the administration of the government of Kirov Region

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addressed to JSC Lekam, a copy of

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the order to bring

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Opalev as an accused person, a copy of the interrogation record of

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Opalev, a copy of the interrogation record of

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Navalny, copies of the interrogation records of

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Ofitserov, a copy of the interrogation record of

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Arzamasov, and a copy of the interrogation record of Rva and

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Bastrygin, support the defense’s argument that

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an expert may not familiarize himself with

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materials from a criminal case that do not

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relate to the subject of the examination.

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This is confirmed by the requirements of Part

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of Article 57 of the Criminal Procedure Code, which states that an expert has the right

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to review only those materials

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of the criminal case that relate

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exclusively to the subject matter of the forensic

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examination. The fact that

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the experts reviewed

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materials from the criminal case that do not

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relate to the subject of the expert

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examination—they were listed above—

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means that the defense considers the conclusion set out in the expert

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report to contradict its

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analytical section and to amount

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to a rewriting of the investigator’s question

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in affirmative form. Moreover, the defense

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insists that the expert’s conclusions were determined

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not by the examination of the audio recording

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itself, namely the voice, and the conclusions of the

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phonoscopic examination of the text

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of the conversations, but by information contained

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in the interrogation records of the accused, Opalev,

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and of witness Bastrygin. To support

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its position, the defense draws the court’s attention

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to

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to the answer to Question No. 10, from which it is not

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clear which of the experts exactly

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conducted which part of this examination

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and, accordingly, which of them is responsible for this

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examination.

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Both. Thus, the experts’ conclusion on

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Question No. 10, pages

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255 verso to 260 of the case file, is worded

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as follows:

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quote: based on the linguistic and

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paralinguistic features of the conversations, which

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indicate an interest and

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an agreement between Navalny and Ofitserov in

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obtaining benefit from the activities

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of Kirovles management in favor of LLC

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Vyatskaya Forest Company. In the course of the conversations

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Navalny and Ofitserov indicate that they

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have common goals and objectives, plan and

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carry out joint actions with respect

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to Kirovles, including

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discussing the rebuttal of accusations by

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Kirovles against VLK (Vyatskaya Forest Company)

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regarding the appropriation of a significant portion of contracts

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of Kirovles and the purchase of timber products, uh-huh,

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at reduced prices.

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End quote. Turning to the analytical section

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of the forensic psychological

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expert report on Question No. 10, the defense insists that in the analytical

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section the experts do not cite any fragment

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of a conversation between Navalny and Ofitserov

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that would confirm, in particular, the conclusion

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of the experts that Ofitserov and Navalny discussed

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the subject of purchasing timber products

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at reduced prices. Under the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation, as well as Article 25 of Federal Law No. 73-FZ of May 21,

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2001, No. 73-FZ,

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an expert’s report or a commission of experts’ report

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must reflect an evaluation

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of the research results, the reasoning for

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and formulation of conclusions on the questions

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posed. In violation of these requirements,

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in the experts’ report on Question No.

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10, the analytical section on Question

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No. 10 does not set out the reasoning for the conclusion

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on the question posed, whereas

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the expert should have provided the factual

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data of the examination.

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In concluding that there was discussion of rebutting

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claims regarding

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the acquisition of products at reduced

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prices, therefore the stated assertion

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by the expert is unsubstantiated and is not supported

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by the analytical section. Consequently, the expert’s

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conclusion is speculative

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in nature. On the basis of the foregoing, we ask

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that it be declared inadmissible and subject

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to exclusion from the list of evidence:

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ruling

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Volume 13

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19958, the report of the comprehensive psychological

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forensic examination dated January 8

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of that year, Volume 13, case file pages 242–260, signed

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by attorneys Mikhailov.

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of the

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defense.

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I support it, Your Honor, and I would also like to add

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in addition that all

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the conversations submitted for this examination

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took place only after the conclusion

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of the contract. Therefore, they could in no way

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be connected with it.

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[music]

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interesting

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culture

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[music]

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I ask everyone

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please rise

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[music]

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Let me remind you once again

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shooting with flash

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is prohibited. Please do not forget, I will

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remove

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please

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the defense, regarding the evidence, the ruling

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of the comprehensive psycho-

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expert examination of 2012 and the corresponding

1:13:20

opinion

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dated January 8, 2013, we believe that

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the objection is well-founded. Further,

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the examination was conducted on the basis

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of the investigator's order

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in accordance with the Criminal Procedure

1:13:35

Code; all materials necessary for the examination were provided

1:13:38

for conducting it from the criminal case

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and the questions were properly formulated

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before the experts. The experts were warned in writing

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about criminal liability under Article

1:13:47

307 of the Criminal Code of Russia

1:13:50

In opinion No. 00213, a list is provided

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of the scientific and methodological literature used

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by the experts in their study of both issues

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of psychology and linguistics; at the same time

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there are signatures of both experts on

1:14:02

every page of the opinion, certified by the seal

1:14:04

of the expert institution, the Center for Forensic Examinations

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as well as the experts' personal seals and signatures. Also

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there is

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information on the experts' qualifications

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As for question No. 10,

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which is reflected in the experts' conclusions,

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this question concerns the fact that Navalny

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discusses, among other things, issues

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of refuting claims on the part of Kirovles

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the company, regarding a significant portion

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of contracts for products with clients and

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the purchase of products at reduced

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prices. These data

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were reviewed and are set out in the opinion; they

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are contained in the file

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9782, and there are corresponding

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references to it in the experts' introductory and concluding parts of the opinion

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In addition to the aspects mentioned above,

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the company's goals indicated above were also

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reflected in their conclusions on

1:15:00

questions No. 2 and No. 3 of opinion

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No. 2/13. Taking the above into account,

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I believe that there are no grounds

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to find that the order appointing the

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comprehensive forensic examination

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or the opinion itself is inadmissible

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evidence; this evidence

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is relevant

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and admissible. Your Honor, if I may, I have

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well, I have

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not

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an addition. I have heard the prosecutor's position clearly

1:15:29

and, generally speaking, once again at

1:15:32

this stage of the first

1:15:34

court hearing, the first day of trial,

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a question arises, namely:

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Why is the prosecutor not addressing the defense's arguments?

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When the defense spoke about the inadmissibility

1:15:44

of this evidence, namely

1:15:46

the expert opinion and the corresponding

1:15:49

appointment order, it did not say

1:15:51

that it had any complaints about the list

1:15:53

of methodological literature. Moreover,

1:15:56

the defense did not say that

1:15:57

the relevant list was missing. We

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were talking about something entirely different. We were talking

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about a violation of Part 2 of Article 201, namely

1:16:05

that each expert did not sign his or her own

1:16:07

part of the study and his or her own part of the conclusions

1:16:10

in violation of this provision. Moreover, I do not even

1:16:13

dispute the fact that on every page

1:16:16

of the expert opinion there are

1:16:17

the signatures of both experts, that is,

1:16:26

the experts' signatures appear

1:16:30

under the linguist's section and the psychologist's section

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What this means is that in this opinion

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both the psychologist and the linguist bear jointly

1:16:38

responsibility, shared responsibility, for

1:16:41

the linguistic and psychological parts

1:16:42

of the study, which they cannot do

1:16:45

because there is no evidence confirming

1:16:50

that the psychologist has linguistic training, and

1:16:52

vice versa. In this

1:16:55

way, they sign the entire opinion

1:16:57

whereas Part 2 of Article 201 states

1:17:00

that experts must

1:17:02

distinguish their own part of the opinion

1:17:05

their own part of the study and, accordingly,

1:17:07

this concerns the division of

1:17:09

responsibility, because a linguist cannot

1:17:11

be responsible for the psychologist's opinion

1:17:12

and a psychologist cannot be responsible

1:17:15

for the linguist's opinion. In the opinion they refer to

1:17:17

the Plenum of the Supreme Court (the full session of Russia's highest court)

1:17:19

its details are specified in the motion. But

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Even the Plenum of the Supreme Court says that

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a situation is possible in which one

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specialist signs the entire opinion and

1:17:29

it is called a comprehensive examination

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But that is only if they possess

1:17:34

specialized knowledge in several

1:17:36

fields; in this case, they must possess

1:17:39

specialized knowledge both in the field of

1:17:41

linguistics and in the field of psychology, one

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and the other expert, so that together they can

1:17:45

sign this opinion, both one part and

1:17:48

the second, both in the analysis and in the conclusions

1:17:50

That is exactly what I was saying, and moreover

1:17:52

the prosecution also says

1:17:54

the expert’s qualifications, I do not qu-

1:17:56

the experts’ qualifications. I have no

1:17:57

grounds to doubt them; I merely

1:17:59

said that a linguist does not possess

1:18:01

the knowledge of a psychologist, and vice versa, and here I

1:18:03

believe I am right, because the data

1:18:05

indicating otherwise were not

1:18:06

attached to the expert examination. I simply very much

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ask that you pay closer attention to

1:18:12

what we are actually saying, and object

1:18:14

specifically within the scope of the motions submitted, and

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not invent arguments of your own and

1:18:19

then answer them yourselves

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[music]

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I support the position

1:18:38

of the prosecution. The ruling to which

1:18:40

the defense refers states that the expert has the right

1:18:44

to sign, and as for the fact that

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it is delineated—this wording again

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the problem is that it is not there

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that delineation. It should be, it should be

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Easy, come on

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[music]

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no When the court retires to the deliberation room, at least

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half an hour. All rise

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Well then, let’s go

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If they allow it, I’ll bring it; if not

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if they don’t, do you have

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it, ah

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so, we’re continuing

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on—yes, no

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me about de-

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that’s all, son

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now that’s good

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oh, honestly, generally the best

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prozi taktu

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lectu-

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you won’t make it in an hour

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finish it, we’ll see

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really, in general

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I consi-

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yes

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but

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on / by

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[music]

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day

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something like that, guys, you

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to photograph for now, not

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that’s it, yes, thank you

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everything is possible

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[music]

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in / into

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well, good luck

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[music]

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what / that

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still / mo-

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with wh-

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perhaps

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[music]

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oh / about

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yes

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thief / speaker-

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sorry, sorry

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on / by

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ni

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maybe kzh

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[music]

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yes

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refusal

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[music]

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I don’t know what the difference is. Well, there it’s no longer

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ri- I think 15

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Nava, well look, what I meant was this bit hangs

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there, where I say not a shout, not

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a shout—there, again, he’ll open it now and

2:24:45

close it

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the hall / courtroom

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[music]

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so it turns out, sure, a little stack

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Dag, let’s suggest at least today

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rare not his now

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it’s not allowed. Okay, this is

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additional

2:26:31

actions so that they come here

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for who

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today, and in the evening hay

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[music]

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[music]

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from

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uh

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[music]

2:28:45

yes

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Do you think it’s really that important? I don’t

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know. Well, I’m saying yes, I think, it seems there

2:29:02

since there are many different things there

2:29:14

well, he’ll probably still go on there anyway

2:29:17

say, talk about the detention, several

2:29:19

detentions, use footage from different ones, all

2:29:22

the videos are in the post, and there isn’t a big

2:29:45

problem there. Then decide, because the conditions

2:29:49

of detention

2:29:51

Well, at least

2:29:53

how can there be more of it

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In general, that’s how things are

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it’s unclear, Moscow

2:31:20

a lot

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work—they even wrote tables showing how many

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hours

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went... Before, before, we did this because

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because they used to have a rule like that, not

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they didn’t give the remainder because

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more Moscow

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uh

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until then at some point they stop

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Very successfully, how they

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work 90 hours—that’s 200 hours of studying

2:32:31

materials on a paid basis. Moscow won’t

2:32:33

outdo English, yes, English

2:32:37

now one by one

2:32:40

case, talking with the secretariat

2:32:43

of the European Court for 40 minutes of delivery

2:32:47

some kind of, who knows what

2:32:51

just sat there in the library

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come on, 2000

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...work

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[music]

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legislation for

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it

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for a long time—specifically the English and American

2:33:25

legal profession. It doesn’t rest on that. Why?

2:33:33

when you arrive in almost any country

2:33:35

some expensive district with

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beautiful

2:33:39

houses, while about

2:34:05

badly, it’s necessary

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I don’t know how

2:34:17

what I’m saying for 20

2:34:32

I’m saying, I put all my effort into these requests for

2:34:35

compulsory appearance

2:35:00

2,000 people are watching, looking at us right now

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at our

2:35:05

the backs of our heads

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203 may turn around... not, not very

2:35:15

good

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see? Turn now

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don’t turn your head, the delay is...

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...YouTube. I’ll tell you now, and here

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do this for the camera

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there is

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there, the sound is...

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the sound is coming through, it is. I really don’t know. Can you hear

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does You... hear

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yes, uh

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the sound, so from here

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[music]

2:36:21

right now the phone all the time... hospitals

2:36:55

[music]

2:37:01

by itself

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why is there such a delay at all?

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with

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so

2:39:12

how

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Uh-huh, and now, now free...

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Yes, I just really wanted to tell you, wanted to

2:39:44

Andrei Vasilyevich, discuss some

2:39:47

situations, so

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if I now, I don’t know, maybe

2:39:52

telegraph that I got in touch directly

2:39:54

right now if it will be

2:40:01

possible. I think that you, I think that you

2:40:05

Yes

2:40:06

go ahead

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say it, what about

2:40:13

they wrote that...

2:40:27

in the foreground, Princess Leia or something

2:40:30

like that

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quite

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Mm-hmm, okay, but that’s a jok...

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some kind of... okay

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listen, actually

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sorry, how long ago was it, an hour ago?

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somewhere. What do I know

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about

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go and what

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happened

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lawyer, uh

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what

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[music]

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Well yes, you can when he

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comes back, tell...

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when reading

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the broadcast can’t be heard. Well, he’s just speaking quietly

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he says thank you

2:44:48

very much, yes

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uh

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send it

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also, as I understand it, animation work...

2:45:51

I see

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what

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of course, that too, of course

2:46:25

I forgive

2:46:49

also sends regards, writes that you

2:46:50

are a competent professional. Yes, there too

2:46:53

... no

2:47:19

yes

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[music]

2:48:05

these are discs

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[music]

2:48:17

about... from the first

2:48:19

Yes, not yet for now

2:48:25

Maybe—and here is minimally valuable information

2:48:52

something is not...

2:48:55

[music]

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[music]

2:49:12

The balloons are gone now, so you can't play anymore.

2:49:46

Please be seated. I ask everyone to rise.

2:50:02

restoration of state growth

2:50:06

with the participation of state...

2:50:12

the enforcement department...

2:50:15

anti-corruption legislation

2:50:30

materials concerning the commission of a crime

2:50:33

provided for in part

2:50:36

Okay.

2:50:40

officer

2:50:44

... the court session, the defense side...

2:50:47

... evidence establishing...

2:50:51

two psychological...

2:50:58

psychological expert examinations

2:51:04

... objected to the motion filed...

2:51:08

... of the criminal...

2:51:10

case

2:51:13

I am reading out the ruling dated November 28.

2:51:17

appointment of a forensic psychological examination

2:51:20

volume 13 of the case file... properly...

2:51:25

by an official, a senior investigator for especially...

2:51:27

important cases of the investigative...

2:51:29

for the investigation of especially important cases

2:51:31

... of the economic department...

2:51:34

responsible

2:51:36

... is reasoned and justified. In addition...

2:51:40

moreover, all 74...

2:51:42

... under criminal procedure legislation, and...

2:51:45

this is confirmed... the actions were assessed...

2:51:48

admissibility... conclusion of the comprehensive...

2:51:52

expert examination

2:51:54

12

2:51:55

1460. According to the following...

2:51:58

Under the Criminal Procedure Code, for an expert opinion, experts participating in...

2:52:00

the conduct of a comprehensive forensic examination, the experts indicate...

2:52:03

... each expert conducted... What factors...

2:52:07

each person arrived at separate parts...

2:52:10

the conduct of a comprehensive... includes...

2:52:13

a conclusion containing a description

2:52:15

of the examinations conducted and bears responsibility for it

2:52:18

based on the...

2:52:20

from the stated goals and tasks adopted...

2:52:22

expert examinations... paragraph 21 of...

2:52:28

No. 28 of 2010 on forensic examination in

2:52:32

criminal cases, each expert has the right

2:52:33

to sign a general conclusion... psychological...

2:52:36

... on the basis of the relevant...

2:52:38

the ruling... grounds for qualification...

2:52:40

tests

2:52:41

experts of the expert center and very...

2:52:44

a great deal of work... all...

2:52:47

specialized official knowledge in the conduct of...

2:52:51

by the expert

2:52:55

the right to ask...

2:53:01

conclusion

2:53:04

concludes

2:53:07

expert conclusions, and in this matter the examination...

2:53:10

were posed

2:53:14

the commission formulated generalized...

2:53:19

on the questions in the examination report

2:53:22

the expert about the assessment...

2:53:28

this constitutes a violation of part one and part two...

2:53:30

article... of the Criminal Procedure Code... experts...

2:53:34

audio and video recordings of behavior... under the law...

2:53:39

... the conclusion was set out on...

2:53:44

the basis

2:53:45

the stated signs in the ruling

2:53:51

...tic

2:53:53

examination

2:53:57

that comprehensive psycho...

2:54:22

So they took into account that according to...

2:54:28

You have the floor.

2:54:34

...

2:54:43

Because of the cuts, I didn't hear anything at all. Could you...

2:54:46

speak a bit louder?

2:54:48

the defense motion, which...

2:54:50

initially concerned Melanie...

2:54:52

the argument about inadmissibility concerned...

2:54:54

the provision of operational...

2:54:56

activities, including that we...

2:54:58

spoke about the need to request

2:55:01

information and...

2:55:02

from the Pervo... region, since the data on...

2:55:06

... there was no need to request it, because...

2:55:09

the materials of the criminal case contain

2:55:10

sufficient data that affected

2:55:14

those circumstances which are already...

2:55:15

being proven, so we should not request...

2:55:18

there is no need. Moreover, there is material...

2:55:21

... an expert examination which...

2:55:24

that is, based on the results of the examination

2:55:27

of the audio recordings of the conversations

2:55:30

the officer concluded that

2:55:38

that

2:55:41

the representative, I support...

2:55:47

the position, and this can probably be done in the courtroom

2:55:51

of course, allow it

2:55:54

Yes, I'm already worried, Your Honor, we see so little of you...

2:55:56

today

2:56:03

day

2:56:07

[music]

2:56:11

So, it turns out...

2:56:14

Having heard this, deny the motion, since what was requested...

2:56:17

...

2:56:24

[music]

2:56:39

very timely...

2:56:47

the issue is being raised in a timely manner, but if

2:56:50

we would have considered everything, why raise it?

2:56:53

How could we have considered everything? Why...

2:56:55

raise it then? Have we finished

2:57:00

considering it? And what is the court guided by

2:57:03

when it raises the issue of a preventive measure?

2:57:05

May I ask? It has the right

2:57:08

to raise it, yes, but the decision

2:57:10

must be reasoned, and on what basis does the court...

2:57:13

reach that conclusion, considering that

2:57:16

during the court procedure, at two court hearings...

2:57:20

the issue of the preventive measure...

2:57:24

decision, decision

2:57:26

preventive measure

2:57:28

Registered in which city? All right, now...

2:57:32

we will

2:57:33

discuss yours... yes, yes, that's all correct

2:57:37

the court has received documents in response to his

2:57:40

request

2:57:43

of course

2:57:45

One moment, one moment, yes.

2:57:51

Here.

2:57:53

The request—I don't think there's any point in sending it a second time.

2:57:57

For the defense to review it? Uh-huh, yes.

2:58:02

A response from a limited liability company.

2:58:06

investment and construction

2:58:08

an investment and construction company

2:58:12

No, you don't know? No, none at all. What connection does it have...

2:58:17

does it have to the construction company?

2:58:20

As I understand it, it's a trademark.

2:58:29

Trademark.

2:58:33

reports the check-in date

2:58:38

Good Lord, the 3rd...

2:58:42

of the year. Thank you for...

2:58:47

letting me know. Pyotr didn't...

2:58:50

inform...

2:58:52

I apologize—through February 2 of this year.

2:58:55

inclusive. The gentleman's check-in date

2:58:58

officer

2:59:01

to the hotel was on the 31st of the year; room number was somehow...

2:59:06

of the year

2:59:18

to respond to your request simply in good faith. Well...

2:59:22

I don't know—your supervisor is writing to you directly.

2:59:25

The request was made, and a response was sent.

2:59:28

[music]

2:59:30

The request was sent. I want to take a look, in principle, at the response.

2:59:33

the response, basically

2:59:39

Right now. Listen, this has turned into such a mess.

2:59:42

Correspondence with the hotel—I'm asking the court to inform them.

2:59:45

that I waited 40 minutes for my syrniki (Russian cottage cheese pancakes) today.

2:59:48

ago

2:59:49

[music]

2:59:50

I think you can handle it yourselves.

3:00:18

Please, don't rush.

3:00:36

Turn it off. You told me that...

3:00:38

they responded.

3:00:40

...

3:00:45

I don't know, after all.

3:00:55

Probably...

3:00:59

Your Honor, I still haven't really

3:01:03

understood what's happening here. You're putting up for discussion

3:01:05

some question about whether

3:01:10

something should be...

3:01:12

guided by, in connection with the fact that

3:01:15

that today's hearing...

3:01:19

whether or not there is a need to impose

3:01:22

a preventive measure in the form of a recognizance not to leave and

3:01:25

proper conduct.

3:01:28

What exactly will

3:01:31

be discussed, and what will the result of that discussion be?

3:01:38

Do you have an option, Your Honor? It seems to me

3:01:41

there is no

3:01:44

need for this. Let's first give the floor

3:01:47

to speak.

3:01:49

So that no one repeats themselves.

3:01:51

Agreed, but could the prosecution please speak

3:01:54

more clearly, more understandably, and louder, because I will be

3:01:56

taking notes, and then let the prosecution

3:01:58

say right away what it means by

3:01:59

"proper conduct," so that I understand

3:02:04

what's going on, if they support it.

3:02:08

Please. Maybe we should clarify

3:02:10

what period is actually being discussed

3:02:17

and your...

3:02:20

opinion—my

3:02:23

opinion? Or the court's initiative?

3:02:25

I can't decide this issue in advance.

3:02:29

The prosecutor is hinting to you that since it was your

3:02:30

initiative, you should make the decision, and he doesn't

3:02:33

want to state his position. Yes, we are not yet

3:02:36

ready to speak. Let's...

3:02:40

Let the defense do the prosecutor's work for him.

3:02:44

for the prosecutor. May I, Your Honor? Please.

3:02:48

Not to state... what are you going to... well...

3:02:52

[The prosecution] declined to discuss this issue, that's all.

3:02:55

Then shall we remove it from

3:02:57

the agenda? The proposal is to continue the court hearing

3:02:59

without that. By the way, yes, we do have

3:03:02

such a proposal. We still have

3:03:04

motions that can all be resolved

3:03:07

right here in the courtroom. Maybe we can deal with them now

3:03:09

and then tomorrow we really won't need

3:03:12

to place anyone under a recognizance; we

3:03:14

might be able to finish everything

3:03:16

very quickly.

3:03:24

Maybe the prosecutor needs time to prepare

3:03:47

the position regarding the return trip...

3:03:49

and accordingly, we have neither

3:03:53

train nor plane tickets back.

3:04:09

No, what is necessary here is to...

3:04:12

...

3:04:25

[music]

3:04:47

I'm simply saying: let's consider the issue.

3:04:50

...

3:04:55

a phone...

3:04:59

Actually, we need 10

3:05:07

[music]

3:05:15

minutes to discuss the issues.

3:05:21

Costs under the...

3:05:30

[music]

3:05:46

verdict. All right, one second.

3:05:51

propo...

3:05:53

Come on.

3:05:55

How would I know? I myself don't know what happened. Well,

3:05:58

that is, I can't comment on

3:06:00

what happened, because I don't understand

3:06:01

what happened, and for some reason the judge raised

3:06:04

the issue of a preventive measure, and the prosecutors

3:06:08

turned out not to be aware, and therefore

3:06:11

they ran off to confer. He called—it's not very

3:06:15

clear.

3:06:18

Preventive measure

3:06:20

because they appeared at

3:06:23

the previous two hearings, and before this he

3:06:26

...

3:06:29

Usually this is done by the prosecution, that is,

3:06:31

the prosecutors apparently—they...

3:06:35

[music]

3:06:36

themselves—they didn't understand what

3:06:40

their

3:06:42

position was. So there you have it.

3:06:54

Uh...

3:07:16

[music]

3:07:21

...

3:07:23

[music]

3:08:13

Which one? For what period?

3:08:36

They called them.

3:08:39

They responded to the request.

3:08:42

They are ready to raise it.

3:09:00

such conc...

3:09:37

for the third, fourth, fifth, and there the sixth, seventh

3:09:40

eighth, ninth, tenth, another one—what

3:09:42

do everything starting Monday

3:09:59

I, uh...

3:10:11

good intersection

3:10:16

for the homework

3:10:20

maybe after the negotiations

3:10:37

replace everything

3:10:45

[music]

3:10:53

Support by...

3:11:35

not

3:11:59

[music]

3:12:02

Al, hi

3:12:34

I don't know, m...

3:12:47

me

3:13:29

[music]

3:13:34

go

3:13:56

what

3:14:43

how

3:15:16

yes, yes

3:15:23

[music]

3:15:44

[music]

3:15:54

But Sweet Kiev-style

3:15:59

protocol A

3:16:03

some kind of such ones, exactly such ones

3:16:46

more

3:17:02

[music]

3:17:07

stand

3:17:11

scary in itself

3:17:14

those, I...

3:17:18

yes

3:18:10

not

3:18:30

look... Denka's wife

3:19:00

know

3:19:21

[music]

3:19:23

request

3:19:33

please, since earlier the party

3:19:36

the prosecution repeatedly stated, yes

3:19:38

...tive

3:19:41

to bring them in connection with their appearance at the court

3:19:45

hearing, and without a valid reason, in

3:19:48

our opinion, the prosecution

3:19:50

supports the court's initiative and believes

3:19:53

it possible to impose, with respect to Navalny

3:19:55

and Ofitserov, a preventive measure in the form of a written undertaking

3:19:58

not to leave and to maintain proper conduct, and the place

3:20:01

of execution of this preventive measure

3:20:03

the duration of its effect and other restrictions

3:20:06

we leave for the court's statement

3:20:10

the court still wishes to express

3:20:17

[music]

3:20:20

just a moment

3:20:24

now, please, Your Honor, I ask

3:20:28

to postpone

3:20:30

consideration of this issue and before that

3:20:35

to make

3:20:36

requests, accordingly, to send requests to

3:20:40

the airline Pobeda and the airline RusLine

3:20:44

regarding whether return

3:20:46

tickets were purchased for citizen Navalny and Ofitserov on

3:20:48

the Kirov–Moscow route, and if so, for what dates

3:20:53

for the period from

3:20:58

January 30 to February 1, 2017

3:21:02

and accordingly the same request to

3:21:07

Russian Railways, whether Ofitserov, Navalny, or

3:21:12

other persons purchased, in the names of Ofitserov and Navalny,

3:21:16

railway tickets on the Kirov

3:21:19

to Moscow route starting from February 1, 2017

3:21:24

also... RZD and Aero... RZD and

3:21:28

the airlines. Yes, the airlines all—No, I

3:21:31

already said, it's RusLine that flies, not Pobeda, no...

3:21:34

Ah, and... yes, can you also provide the addresses

3:21:37

name them? Well, if you give me time

3:21:39

then of course I will. So once again, Rus... I

3:21:45

looked

3:21:59

...avia, right

3:22:04

next I

3:22:07

request

3:22:12

request from the Department of Medical Statistics

3:22:16

Information and Organizational-Methodological

3:22:19

Work of the Archive of the Emergency Medical

3:22:22

Medical

3:22:24

Care Station at the address: Moscow, ulitsa (street)

3:22:27

Alexei Sviridov Street, building

3:22:32

4A

3:22:38

information

3:22:42

confirming the call-out and arrival

3:22:47

of the ambulance

3:22:49

to the patient, Pyotr Yuryevich Ofitserov

3:22:54

on January 27, 2017

3:23:06

the call was made in the period from 10

3:23:09

to

3:23:12

10:30 at the address

3:23:17

city of

3:23:21

Moscow, Pervomaysky

3:23:25

district, village of

3:23:29

Zhukovka, building

3:23:35

75A; the ambulance call was made

3:23:38

from

3:23:40

telephone number plu

3:23:43

+7 905

3:23:52

712

3:23:56

48

3:24:03

04. This is direct evidence of a valid

3:24:07

reason for the failure to appear

3:24:10

of Ofitserov at the court

3:24:14

hearing. I immediately

3:24:17

drew the court's attention to the fact that Ofitserov

3:24:20

was feeling unwell due to

3:24:22

his existing medical conditions. I personally

3:24:25

informed the court

3:24:28

by notice on January 26, 2017, and at

3:24:34

the request of your assistant, your assistant, I

3:24:36

duplicated this notice on the 27th

3:24:40

of January 2017 by sending it by fax to

3:24:45

the Leninsky District of the city of Kirov

3:24:47

accordingly, I ask that this information be requested

3:24:49

because it is necessary for the defense

3:24:52

in order to

3:24:53

substantiate its objections

3:24:55

regarding the application to Ofitserov, or indeed any

3:24:57

preventive measure whatsoever. Now I will

3:25:00

look up the airline addresses; I am already

3:25:03

looking them up and will

3:25:11

dictate them to you. As for

3:25:13

the airline Rus...

3:25:17

so, the contact...

3:25:22

The phone number—well, as for the phone number, you can send a request regarding it.

3:25:26

You can send it by phone. And by phone—

3:25:43

I know, just a moment.

3:25:59

Oh, excellent, Your Honor, there is a phone number here.

3:26:01

For the duty representative in the city of

3:26:04

Kirov: +

3:26:07

7 905 8

3:26:09

71

3:26:13

7042. So.

3:26:32

The second one is as follows.

3:26:38

The company, that is.

3:26:41

Phone: +7 495

3:26:47

— 7 8

3:26:49

7 8 6 38.

3:26:55

Fax: +7

3:26:58

495 786—sorry—7

3:27:02

87 86.

3:27:06

14. So, the central office is located at

3:27:10

the address:

3:27:14

4101, Saratov

3:27:18

Zhukovsky Street, building

3:27:21

25A. And Pobeda has already—

3:27:28

no longer—

3:27:31

Zhukovsky Street. So, we have now clarified that

3:27:34

Pobeda Airlines has, since February 1,

3:27:36

no longer been operating. I will tell you now.

3:27:39

The Russian Railways (RZD) representative office.

3:28:11

So, well, Google shows here

3:28:15

the address:

3:28:16

RZD representative office in Kirov, city of

3:28:19

Kirov.

3:28:22

61001, Komsomolskaya Street, building

3:28:27

24.

3:28:42

Moving on, then.

3:28:50

So, fax: +7

3:28:54

4999—this is the central off-

3:28:58

262

3:29:03

9095. The mailing address is the same as

3:29:06

the legal address:

3:29:08

107

3:29:13

174, Moscow

3:29:19

Novaya Basmannaya Street, building

3:29:24

2. All right, one moment.

3:29:32

Just a second. Well, that is essentially all the information that

3:29:35

I have.

3:29:39

And I ask Your Honor to make

3:29:42

the appropriate inquiries. For you, this can be done very

3:29:45

quickly, and to obtain responses, which,

3:29:48

as we can see, also happens

3:29:50

quite quickly, and after that

3:29:52

to return to discussing the issue of

3:29:54

the application of a preventive measure.

3:29:55

Accordingly,

3:29:57

I believe this is important information.

3:29:59

We will need it

3:30:04

when deciding the issue raised in the motion.

3:30:07

And—

3:30:10

I support the motion, I support it.

3:30:13

I support it.

3:30:16

The present matter submitted for the court’s consideration was

3:30:19

initiated improperly.

3:30:24

As for the discussion here, we would like to note

3:30:28

that, well, the information that is being

3:30:32

requested from the ambulance service does not

3:30:35

have any significance for the consideration of this

3:30:37

issue, since instead of information about

3:30:39

the impossibility of participating in the court

3:30:42

hearing by Ofitserov, this fact—these

3:30:45

materials will confirm facts

3:30:49

3:30:50

And I disagree. I will explain why. First of all,

3:30:55

Your Honor, from the ambulance station

3:30:57

we will obtain information about the reason for

3:31:00

the ambulance being called,

3:31:02

what was diagnosed in Ofitserov’s case,

3:31:05

and what recommendations were given to him.

3:31:07

For my part, I can say that I am aware

3:31:10

that the ambulance doctor who arrived in response

3:31:11

to the call for Pyotr Yuryevich diagnosed him with

3:31:14

the relevant illness, information about which

3:31:17

is already at the court’s disposal,

3:31:19

contained in Volume 3, and

3:31:21

confirmed by the medical record

3:31:23

of Ofitserov. Moreover, the ambulance team

3:31:26

recommended that Ofitserov urgently

3:31:27

see a specialist.

3:31:29

Moreover, the ambulance team

3:31:31

placed a call to

3:31:36

the hospital, of course, at his place of residence,

3:31:39

thus informing the doctor of

3:31:42

the need to admit this patient.

3:31:47

The court will be

3:31:48

provided with

3:31:50

the form sheet filled out by the ambulance

3:31:53

service; it will contain all

3:31:55

the relevant information, and in fact it also states,

3:31:59

among other things, the sequence—how should I put it—

3:32:03

the chronology of the course of this illness and

3:32:05

the circumstances that led to calling the doctors.

3:32:08

It contains the most detailed

3:32:10

information, as far as I know.

3:32:23

It is precisely this information that does not

3:32:24

confirm the reason for Ofitserov’s inability to appear

3:32:26

at the court

3:32:28

hearing. Moreover, Your Honor, I would like

3:32:31

to note that

3:32:33

on January 31, Ofitserov

3:32:37

— it was the first working day — was

3:32:41

on his way to see his

3:32:43

specialist doctor.

3:32:46

He simply was unable to get there because

3:32:48

he suddenly became acutely unwell, and for

3:32:51

that reason he was hospitalized in

3:32:53

the nearest hospital to the place where, essentially,

3:32:56

he happened to be at that moment.

3:32:58

And the information showing that

3:33:00

Ofitserov had grounds for hospitalization

3:33:03

is already before the court. Moreover, I can say,

3:33:05

Your Honor, that the ambulance was dispatched to

3:33:07

Ofitserov in connection with one of the illnesses

3:33:11

listed in this letter; in particular,

3:33:13

it is identified there as a concomitant

3:33:15

illness. It also states there that Ofitserov

3:33:18

was discharged in a stage of medication-induced

3:33:20

remission of this concomitant

3:33:21

illness. This means that he felt

3:33:23

better after Ofitserov was given a high

3:33:25

dose.

3:33:27

...tablets, and that's it.

3:33:30

That's all.

3:33:31

...from the airline. Why is this even...

3:33:37

This confirms the fact that neither Ofitserov nor

3:33:39

Navalny are planning in the near future

3:33:41

to leave the city of Kirov. They have no

3:33:44

intention of failing to appear when summoned.

3:33:47

They intend and wish

3:33:49

to participate in the court

3:33:52

hearing, defend their innocence

3:33:55

and present

3:33:58

evidence. Moreover, we have a hotel

3:34:00

booked, and this fact once again speaks

3:34:03

in favor of the defense's arguments, which we will later

3:34:05

set out. Well, in general, we can

3:34:08

state our position now: that we...

3:34:16

and proof of the seriousness of the intention

3:34:19

of Ofitserov and Navalny is precisely

3:34:21

the fact that there was no booking or purchase

3:34:24

of tickets in the name of Ofitserov or Navalny

3:34:27

by Ofitserov or Navalny themselves, or

3:34:29

by any other persons acting on their behalf...

3:34:33

Your Honor, it's just that I'm slightly

3:34:36

confused. Are you now going to rule on

3:34:38

Davydova's motion, or—that is, at least

3:34:42

may I explain how

3:34:44

you intend to resolve this motion?

3:34:52

On our own, we cannot obtain the documents

3:34:54

for certain

3:34:56

reasons, because the fact that

3:34:58

this motion had been initiated became known to us

3:34:59

only just now. If we had known about it

3:35:00

earlier, or at least in advance, we would have

3:35:03

done it—well, at least a week or two

3:35:06

earlier—because responses to attorneys' requests

3:35:07

take a very long time.

3:35:23

May I make a proposal

3:35:25

and speak, Your Honor?

3:35:54

[music]

3:35:56

So, we move on to...

3:36:01

...already expre...

3:36:08

Let's begin.

3:36:13

The request, given that

3:36:17

the court record does not confirm the fact of any intention

3:36:21

to parti... and inclu...

3:36:25

...after the court hearing.

3:36:29

I consider this...

3:36:34

[music]

3:36:55

[music]

3:37:15

that, uh...

3:37:22

[music]

3:37:27

[music]

3:38:15

on...

3:38:41

[music]

3:39:14

So, uh...

3:40:20

...

3:40:27

[music]

3:40:36

[music]

3:41:03

Considering that, pursuant to the article... on January 26

3:41:09

of the seventeenth year (2017), the defense was offered...

3:41:12

to submit to the court... by the defense...

3:41:19

on January 27 of this year, and

3:41:22

she was aware that such a request would be sent to

3:41:26

the district court; accordingly, she knew

3:41:28

of the need for this information for the court's review

3:41:33

upon request.

3:41:39

Your Honor, but how am I supposed to provide you with

3:41:41

a valid excuse if Mr. Ofitserov...

3:41:44

Please tell me,

3:41:47

just a second—on January 26, when on the 27th

3:41:52

of January I was supposed to

3:41:55

be

3:41:57

at the ambulance service picking up the document that

3:42:00

...

3:42:04

they issue. All right, in that case, if

3:42:06

the ruling has been issued, and since

3:42:07

the prosecutors leave it to the court's discretion,

3:42:17

then the following necessary details—the period

3:42:19

for which the preventive measure is to apply, the place, and

3:42:23

the restrictions—since the court has already

3:42:26

initiated this, since the court has decided

3:42:28

to impose a preventive measure on Ofitserov,

3:42:30

then please, be so kind as to

3:42:33

disclose to me the details of what exactly we are

3:42:36

discussing regarding the preventive measure, and in which

3:42:40

city.

3:42:41

Do you have any proposals, or not?

3:42:44

Do you or do you not?

3:42:46

Then please hear me out: a preventive measure is imposed

3:42:49

with respect to

3:42:51

the accused.

3:42:53

When a person insists on

3:42:56

the imposition of a preventive measure, that person must explain

3:42:59

to the parties, including the defense,

3:43:02

so that the defense has an opportunity

3:43:04

to refute those arguments or at least comment

3:43:07

on them in some way, at least.

3:43:11

[music]

3:43:16

A travel restriction from what address? From which city?

3:43:19

What exactly is being discussed, and what restrictions may

3:43:22

be applied to my

3:43:24

client? What are you asking me now—

3:43:26

to tell you what restrictions

3:43:27

I want imposed on Ofitserov? None. What

3:43:30

period of travel restriction do I want? None.

3:43:33

Do I want a travel restriction at all? No,

3:43:35

I do not, especially not from Kirov. Therefore, since

3:43:38

we are putting this question up for discussion,

3:43:39

and the prosecutors said that as for all

3:43:41

the essential points

3:43:45

of the measure, then please be so kind

3:43:47

as to explain them to the defense, to inform us

3:43:49

of the necessary details

3:43:51

concerning the imposition of this preventive measure—

3:43:54

a travel restriction and proper conduct—

3:43:56

because I cannot speak about something abstract, about

3:43:59

some abstract measure,

3:44:01

since that would prevent me from speaking properly because it

3:44:03

would violate my client's right

3:44:05

to a defense and would substantially limit me

3:44:07

in my ability to provide that defense and to

3:44:09

fully perform my function as defense counsel...

3:44:12

then subtract...

3:44:21

post...

3:44:23

I am asking: for what period are you proposing

3:44:25

to impose the preventive measure, in relation to what

3:44:28

place, and what restrictions do you want

3:44:31

to apply?

3:44:32

after regarding the issue raised for discussion

3:44:36

the issue. The prosecutors also believe this

3:44:45

to be the case

3:44:47

and if the court needs time, I am ready

3:44:52

to wait

3:44:57

You are proposing something abstract

3:45:04

to comment. All right, a travel restriction undertaking

3:45:07

a travel restriction undertaking is what you are proposing

3:45:10

to comment on. For what period would this measure apply?

3:45:12

of restraint

3:45:15

In the ruling, you will have to specify the period

3:45:17

for which the preventive measure will remain in effect. So I will hear you out

3:45:18

and listen to your position. But right now it was not you

3:45:21

who initiated discussion of this issue, and

3:45:24

since the prosecutor's office has refused

3:45:26

to discuss the question of the duration of the measure, the place where it applies, and

3:45:29

the restrictions under this measure, then it is you who

3:45:32

have initiated this discussion. I consider it

3:45:34

impossible at present to resolve this

3:45:37

issue. Well, I do not agree. I believe

3:45:39

that under such circumstances it is impossible to speak of

3:45:41

some abstract preventive measure

3:45:43

without it being clear for what period of time, without it being clear

3:45:45

for what place, or do you want me to suggest

3:45:47

that place to you, or the period of its

3:45:49

validity, if even the prosecutors are not

3:45:52

proposing that? But if even our

3:45:54

prosecutors are not proposing that, then they

3:45:56

simply do not want to discuss this, this issue of yours

3:46:06

I cannot express a view on this issue

3:46:09

because I do not have sufficient

3:46:11

information

3:46:13

All right

3:46:22

Right now it is starting to seem as though I am

3:46:25

speaking in different languages here

3:46:28

This is roughly the same as if

3:46:31

you had put up for discussion

3:46:33

the issue of detention in custody without

3:46:36

specifying where, why, and for what period

3:46:43

so to speak, yes

3:46:46

Well

3:46:50

They say there are situations when, in populated areas

3:46:53

there are no

3:47:05

detention facilities, but if you have no answer, we

3:47:08

that settles the matter for us. We all wanted

3:47:12

to let counsel Dadov speak. I am ready as well

3:47:21

Okay, let the defense speak. Your

3:47:26

Honor, first of all, this seems strange to me

3:47:29

this issue cannot be decided. You want

3:47:31

us to comment on the issue of a preventive

3:47:33

measure, yet it is unclear in which

3:47:35

city and for what period. That is the first point. I can

3:47:39

limit it to the city of Moscow. So we have

3:47:42

either one thing or another. I live in Moscow. I do not have

3:47:45

a place of residence here, and this is very

3:47:47

unclear. But, for example, the weekend

3:47:49

although our trial should clearly be over before the weekend

3:47:52

should I spend it in Moscow or

3:47:54

in Kirov? That is of significant

3:48:00

importance to me. As for my conduct, you may

3:48:05

take that into account, yes, allow me

3:48:11

Nevertheless

3:48:15

Your Honor, first, it is difficult for me

3:48:19

to comment fully because I do not

3:48:21

understand what exactly I am supposed to comment on. That is

3:48:22

the first point. Second, I

3:48:26

believe

3:48:27

that we should not be considering this at all

3:48:30

because everyone had valid

3:48:32

reasons, and each time I notified the court

3:48:35

that I would not come on a particular date

3:48:38

because the court hearing would not

3:48:40

take place, and each time it indeed did not

3:48:41

take place. Objectively, it could not have

3:48:43

taken place. If you make an inquiry to the

3:48:46

airline, you will find that there were

3:48:49

many times when, for example, we bought

3:48:51

tickets and those tickets went to waste because

3:48:54

the dates of the court

3:48:55

hearings were not on the

3:48:58

schedule that we

3:49:00

had expected. That is the second point

3:49:02

Third, even during the first trial we did not

3:49:06

have any preventive measure. The first trial

3:49:08

ended with a suspended

3:49:10

sentence. So why is a preventive measure needed now?

3:49:13

That is the fourth point. We came here

3:49:17

we came here

3:49:18

in order to bring this trial to

3:49:22

an end, and I came here through Friday

3:49:28

inclusive. It seems to me that, given the fact

3:49:30

that we have until Friday inclusive, we

3:49:32

will quite certainly finish everything. If it does not

3:49:33

finish, then on Monday, or whenever you

3:49:35

schedule it, I will come as well. Perhaps the court

3:49:38

misinterpreted this hotel reservation

3:49:40

as ending

3:49:42

on the first. It does end on the first

3:49:43

so as not to pay at once for

3:49:49

the room, so as not to pay immediately for

3:49:51

three or four days, since anything might

3:49:53

change. That is why we always make the reservation

3:49:55

for only one day at a time. And lastly, Your

3:49:58

Honor, what I want to say is this: I do not know what

3:50:00

decision you will make, but I want to inform

3:50:02

the court in advance that I will refer to the relevant

3:50:06

rules as we understand them

3:50:09

and the information being entered

3:50:15

right now. Why were we not allowed

3:50:18

to present evidence in

3:50:19

today's

3:50:21

proceeding? And I believe

3:50:25

that in this case there is, of course, a violation of

3:50:28

the norms, first and foremost of Russian

3:50:31

law, because in order to impose

3:50:33

a preventive measure, grounds are required

3:50:36

and those grounds are clearly

3:50:38

listed in the relevant article

3:50:41

of the Criminal Procedure Code: namely, that

3:50:44

the person may abscond from the inquiry

3:50:46

preliminary investigation, or the court

3:50:48

may continue engaging in criminal

3:50:50

activity, may threaten a witness

3:50:52

or other participants in the criminal

3:50:54

proceedings, or otherwise obstruct

3:50:56

the conduct of the criminal case, and so

3:50:58

on. Not one of these grounds has been

3:51:01

stated. What exactly are we supposed to object to?

3:51:05

It is unclear. In addition, I would like to note

3:51:08

that there are no grounds whatsoever for imposing a

3:51:11

preventive measure, since the failure to appear

3:51:15

at the court hearing was

3:51:17

for a valid reason;

3:51:20

the court was provided with notices and medical documents.

3:51:23

There are no grounds to doubt that

3:51:26

the defense in any way attempted

3:51:29

to obstruct the judicial proceedings.

3:51:31

There are none. And if the court has decided to impose a

3:51:37

preventive measure in relation to Navalny, then I

3:51:40

would again like to remind the court of

3:51:41

the Tokyo Rules, which were mentioned today

3:51:44

by the speaker.

3:51:45

They are called the United Nations Standard Minimum

3:51:49

Rules

3:51:51

for Non-custodial Measures

3:51:53

and

3:51:57

paragraph 3.11 of those Rules provides

3:52:00

that

3:52:01

defendants, when alternative preventive measures are applied to them

3:52:04

instead of

3:52:07

detention

3:52:09

in custody,

3:52:11

must have such measures applied

3:52:15

with respect for the right to privacy of both

3:52:18

the defendant himself and members of his

3:52:21

family. Given that Navalny lives in

3:52:24

Moscow and his family is in Moscow, then

3:52:28

if the court is going to violate the law and

3:52:31

decides to impose a preventive measure in the form of

3:52:34

a travel restriction requiring him not to leave Kirov, it should take

3:52:37

this fact into account and state in the ruling itself

3:52:40

that Navalny may meet

3:52:42

with his family and may

3:52:46

accordingly, at least on weekends,

3:52:51

travel. I have a motion—a

3:52:56

compromise solution. Let us do

3:52:59

this: tomorrow we will provide a document from the

3:53:04

hotel stating that the room, or rooms,

3:53:06

are booked through Friday only and

3:53:09

paid for, for example. That way the court will have

3:53:13

confirmation. But you made an inquiry and found that

3:53:15

everything is booked only until today. Fine, ours is

3:53:18

until the third, and theirs is also until

3:53:19

the third. All right, so as to me there is

3:53:21

a suspicion that because I have not paid through

3:53:23

Friday, I may leave.

3:53:26

All right, let me bring such a

3:53:28

document tomorrow, and let us postpone this issue until

3:53:30

tomorrow. The court will see that no one is going anywhere

3:53:33

and that we are all here.

3:53:35

[inaudible]

3:53:42

That is all, I suppose.

3:53:46

[music]

3:53:48

We came here in order to

3:53:50

finish the trial as quickly as possible,

3:53:52

because the defense plans to take no

3:53:55

more than two days, even including all

3:53:58

questioning and, well, our

3:54:01

statements and all the rest, that is,

3:54:03

what comes next. Therefore, if we finish on Friday,

3:54:06

then if there is a verdict

3:54:09

it could be on Monday, precisely on Monday, because

3:54:11

both Navalny and I

3:54:12

have an interest in concluding the proceedings as soon as possible.

3:54:17

Therefore, we intend to do everything possible

3:54:20

to ensure that the trial ends. Moreover, I

3:54:23

would support Alexei's proposal

3:54:26

that tomorrow we can simply

3:54:28

bring paid invoices from the

3:54:31

hotel confirming payment for the rooms,

3:54:34

which will also be non-refundable,

3:54:37

so accordingly, where would we

3:54:41

go? Therefore, I would propose this:

3:54:45

postpone the matter until tomorrow; we will bring them, and you will see

3:54:48

that in any event we are here until Friday.

3:54:50

The court is not planning to work on

3:55:03

Saturday anyway.

3:55:05

I object.

3:55:08

For my part, I would also like to draw

3:55:12

attention to the fact

3:55:13

that the legislature, in Article

3:55:15

99 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation,

3:55:17

has clearly, plainly, and unambiguously

3:55:20

established that a preventive measure may be

3:55:23

chosen—any preventive measure, including

3:55:25

a travel restriction—may be

3:55:28

imposed exclusively where there are

3:55:30

grounds provided for by Article

3:55:32

97 of the Criminal Procedure Code. As my colleague

3:55:36

Mikhailova correctly noted, in Navalny's case not a single

3:55:38

one of the grounds for imposing a preventive

3:55:40

measure listed in Article

3:55:42

97 of the Criminal Procedure Code is present in this case. That article of the

3:55:47

Criminal Procedure Code

3:55:49

contains an exhaustive list that is not

3:55:52

subject to broad interpretation, of the

3:55:54

grounds on which any

3:55:56

preventive measure

3:55:58

may be imposed. In particular, one of the

3:56:00

grounds

3:56:02

is that

3:56:04

the court has sufficient reason

3:56:07

to believe that the accused may abscond

3:56:10

from the court, may continue criminal

3:56:13

activity, or may threaten a witness

3:56:15

or other participants in the proceedings, or by some other

3:56:17

means obstruct the conduct of the case.

3:56:19

As I understand it now, from the not very

3:56:21

clear position of the prosecution and the not very

3:56:24

clearly formulated request

3:56:26

by the court to discuss a preventive

3:56:28

measure,

3:56:30

the reason why we are now

3:56:32

discussing this completely vague

3:56:34

issue

3:56:35

is the fact that my client did not

3:56:39

appear, allegedly without valid reasons, at two

3:56:41

court hearings.

3:56:44

But I believe, Your Honor, that you have already

3:56:48

ruled on this matter: on January 30 you already

3:56:52

issued an order for

3:56:54

compulsory appearance, and that order

3:57:00

has been executed. I believe that by that

3:57:02

order, the issue of Ofitserov's appearance

3:57:04

should be considered closed. I would draw the court's special

3:57:06

attention to the fact that the order

3:57:08

the compulsory appearance order for Ofitserov dated the 30th

3:57:10

of January, as of today

3:57:13

as of today

3:57:15

has been served neither on me nor on my client

3:57:18

Ofi

3:57:20

to Pyotr, accordingly, this

3:57:22

ruling. We cannot even

3:57:24

appeal it. And we believe there are grounds

3:57:26

and reasons to appeal it. We believe

3:57:29

that this ruling has not entered into

3:57:31

legal force, because we have the right

3:57:33

to appeal it, and the law does not

3:57:36

prohibit us from doing so

3:57:43

doing that, which, I repeat, neither to me

3:57:46

nor to my principal has been issued to this day

3:57:48

up to the present time. Although yesterday I very much

3:57:50

asked the bailiffs, who

3:57:51

were pounding on my office door, I cannot give

3:57:54

me a copy, a copy of this ruling

3:57:58

accordingly, we have not

3:58:00

missed, Your Honor, we have not missed

3:58:03

the procedural deadlines for its

3:58:06

appeal. Accordingly, you have not yet received from us

3:58:09

any appellate complaints, but already

3:58:11

it is being presumed that this is a finalized

3:58:13

judicial act that has entered into legal force

3:58:16

and on the basis of this judicial act

3:58:18

which in fact has not entered into

3:58:20

legal force, in my opinion you are now

3:58:22

raising the issue of a preventive

3:58:24

measure. I believe this is impermissible

3:58:27

impossible and

3:58:29

unlawful, because if we appeal this

3:58:32

ruling, it is entirely possible that it will be

3:58:34

overturned, but in any event it has not yet

3:58:36

entered into legal force. And how can we

3:58:38

choose a preventive measure for Ofitserov now

3:58:40

on the basis of circumstances established by you

3:58:43

in a matter that has not entered into

3:58:45

legal force? In my view, legally

3:58:48

this is

3:58:49

impossible. This is

3:58:51

the first point

3:58:54

Second, in paragraph 1 of part 1

3:58:57

of the article, as grounds for

3:59:00

the imposition of any preventive measure

3:59:03

it is stated that the court must have

3:59:05

grounds to believe, and those grounds

3:59:08

must be supported by specific factual

3:59:10

data. These grounds must not be

3:59:12

abstract or illusory. So, grounds

3:59:15

to believe that the accused will abscond from

3:59:18

the court—I would

3:59:21

emphasize, from the court. We had a ruling

3:59:26

for compulsory appearance issued by you due to

3:59:29

Ofitserov’s failure to appear at the court hearing

3:59:32

there was no information that Ofitserov was hiding from

3:59:34

the court available to you at that time, and

3:59:38

I am certain that

3:59:40

there still is no such information. In my view,

3:59:43

such information would be, for example,

3:59:45

data from the border service, for example, or

3:59:50

evidence that Ofitserov purchased a ticket to leave the Russian Federation

3:59:54

or a ticket to the territory of the Union State

3:59:57

for example

3:59:58

Belarus, or you might at least have some

4:00:01

operational data, reports, or

4:00:04

something of that kind, or data from

4:00:06

recorded monitored telephone conversations

4:00:08

of Ofitserov showing that he was discussing with someone

4:00:10

that he did not intend to wait for

4:00:13

the court’s verdict

4:00:16

and, disregarding everything, buy a ticket and

4:00:18

leave for Honduras—or at least

4:00:21

for Belarus, or at least for Tambov Region

4:00:24

switch off his phone and stay there hoping

4:00:26

that no one would

4:00:28

find him. Such data, for example, could be

4:00:31

testimony from a witness who came

4:00:34

to court—say, for example, a bailiff as well—and

4:00:37

yes, and

4:00:41

said

4:00:43

that he intended to evade justice and in every possible way

4:00:47

obstruct it: persuade a witness

4:00:49

to change testimony, persuade an assistant

4:00:51

to burn documents, persuade experts

4:00:54

to come to court and repudiate the conclusions they had previously given

4:00:56

earlier, and so on. Such

4:00:59

data the court does not have. I repeat, these data

4:01:01

must not be abstract; they must

4:01:03

be

4:01:04

real. And in light of the fact that the court does not have such data

4:01:07

and the compulsory appearance order

4:01:12

I am now

4:01:15

stating my intentions, and the compulsory appearance order

4:01:17

will be appealed both by me and by

4:01:19

attorney Mikhailova, and we have the right

4:01:22

to appeal it, and we will do so. And if

4:01:25

we do not have, so to speak, an effective

4:01:33

prejudicial ruling or preventive measure

4:01:40

I am not repeating your point. I still have

4:01:43

a serious question now

4:01:45

regarding the place

4:01:47

of residence. I am not sure that the hotel

4:01:50

"Honen" in the city of Kirov can be considered

4:01:53

a place of residence

4:01:56

for Ofitserov, even a temporary place

4:01:59

of residence. It may be considered a temporary

4:02:01

place of stay for Ofitserov, or

4:02:03

a temporary overnight stay for Ofitserov, but

4:02:06

by no means a temporary place

4:02:09

of residence. And Article 102 states that

4:02:13

a written undertaking

4:02:14

consists of a written obligation not

4:02:16

to leave one’s permanent or temporary place

4:02:18

of residence. Ofi’s permanent place of residence

4:02:21

is in Moscow, at the address known to you

4:02:23

and Ofitserov has no temporary place of residence

4:02:26

including in the city of

4:02:28

Kirov. You cannot, by ruling, oblige

4:02:31

Ofitserov not to leave

4:02:33

the hotel. First of all, staying in a hotel

4:02:36

costs money; secondly

4:02:46

on

4:02:48

accommodation

4:02:52

I understand that you have explained this; I also

4:02:55

want to state my

4:02:59

position very clearly: there is a desire to impose a measure on me, but as it were, I

4:03:02

I understand that perfectly well. You have a desire

4:03:04

to force [someone] to write systematically

4:03:05

a motion: Please let me go to

4:03:07

my wife, and what kind of nonsense is this

4:03:14

a right, a constitutional right, which we

4:03:16

still have written into the Basic Law (the Constitution)

4:03:20

the right to respect for private

4:03:23

life. So far, no one has yet

4:03:26

abolished that right. Now, Ofitserov's private life

4:03:30

is in Moscow: Ofitserov has his family there

4:03:34

many children there, including

4:03:36

young children. Ofitserov also has work there

4:03:39

that requires his

4:03:41

attention. I believe that already

4:03:45

because the court, at one point,

4:03:47

arbitrarily changed the schedule of court

4:03:49

hearings, Ofitserov has already suffered

4:03:51

financial losses because he

4:03:52

could not properly and fully

4:03:54

carry out his

4:03:56

work obligations. Excuse me, and you are

4:03:59

now

4:04:01

on Ofitserov

4:04:04

imposing a period of additional

4:04:07

losses. I am sure that all these

4:04:09

circumstances taken together indicate

4:04:11

that, forgive me of course, but you are

4:04:14

now being guided by something else, something that

4:04:17

differs substantially from the interests of

4:04:19

justice as I

4:04:21

understand them. Right now, in the interests of

4:04:22

justice, it would be best for the defense

4:04:25

to continue resolving procedural

4:04:27

issues so that we could move on already to

4:04:28

the examination

4:04:29

of the evidence. Therefore, Your Honor,

4:04:33

I understand, of course, that you have already

4:04:35

made your decision, and that whatever we may

4:04:37

say to you now, nothing will change, but I ask

4:04:38

you nevertheless to think it over and not to impose a preventive measure on

4:04:41

Navalny, and still less on

4:04:42

Ofitserov

4:04:46

Your Honor, Ofitserov has young children, and

4:04:49

I have election campaign headquarters

4:04:53

and it is not yet clear—sorry, Ofitserov—which requires

4:04:56

more attention. And to be honest, I do have

4:05:00

a definite thought that this whole

4:05:03

suddenly imposed travel restriction

4:05:06

is connected with my plans, specifically

4:05:07

to open a campaign office in St. Petersburg on Saturday. Then give me

4:05:10

if you want to impose a travel restriction

4:05:13

for the weekends

4:05:14

you are referring to

4:05:16

Well, if that is what is intended, then let us do it this way:

4:05:19

on weekdays, a travel restriction in the city of

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Kirov, and on weekends, permission to travel

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anywhere. Is that how it will work? It will

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be considered; I think the answer will be favorable. And

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if there is no court hearing on a weekday,

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Your Honor,

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look, let us take this slowly. Yes, well

4:05:38

if it is imposed, and there will or will not be a hear-

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partly because you did not state specifically

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what you want, it is unclear to us. I

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said: if, say, a weekday

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comes and the prosecution asks for

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a recess for, I don't know, a week or something

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then what, are they supposed to sit in

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Kirov on weekdays and wait until the state

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prosecution deigns

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uh, to proceed? Y-you should submit that to me in writing

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Apply in writing, yes, and I will issue a resolution

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But why should I? I very much hope that in the

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absence of court

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hearings, with you, my dear

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friend, you

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Your Honor, Your Honor, it seems to me everything is much

4:06:30

simpler. If we were not discussing all this

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we would still have had me and

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Ofitserov questioned today. We have two

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or three motions left which, once you resolve them,

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the presentation of evidence will begin here

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for me and Ofitserov, briefly

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there is not much to say. The closing

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statement will be short: Long live the Soviet

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court, the most humane court in the world (a well-known ironic Soviet slogan), and that is all

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Therefore I would still propose, and I ask,

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that you grant my motion

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as a compromise: that we postpone the question of

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the preventive measure until tomorrow, when we will be able

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to provide you with the hotel documents, and in

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any case, well, well, on Friday we will

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have the closing statements

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so why all this fuss

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is not very clear. Then we

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can even, when you

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schedule the next hearing, we can

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even buy tickets right away and book a hotel

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pay for it and bring it in simply

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as proof that we too will be here, and

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then fine. Well, it is clear that if

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docu- well, you say a travel restriction

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and I say I will not sign it. Well, then what?

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Will you keep me under house

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arrest in a hotel?

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Well, I am just curious. I am not exactly

4:07:47

trying to needle anyone, but I

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am simply saying that this whole

4:07:51

situation, this whole legal collision, is connected with

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the fact

4:07:56

that the court, it seems to me, incorrectly

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interpreted the hotel documents

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which we will bring, and the court also incorrectly

4:08:03

interpreted our failure to appear, which was

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due to valid reasons

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therefore I once again inform

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... that by Fri-

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this week. Although it seems to me we will manage everything

4:08:15

in time. Schedule a court hearing, and we

4:08:18

will most definitely come. We want

4:08:19

for all this to end more quickly, and for all

4:08:22

of us to go our separate ways, wherever we may have

4:08:24

to go after your

4:08:29

verdict. The motion to postpone

4:08:33

consideration of the issue is under discussion. Does anyone

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wish to speak?

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postpone the issue until tomorrow, so that we can present

4:08:57

the documents

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the stops, taking into account that

4:09:03

material

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[music]

4:09:07

since February

4:09:16

there is a difference

4:09:17

if the question concerns

4:09:20

execution

4:09:35

Danni Pesha would like to say something

4:10:00

on

4:10:19

the court finds it necessary to deny the request

4:10:23

to allow

4:10:33

[music]

4:10:42

no questions

4:10:47

when he returns, it will be

4:11:02

it's unclear whether it will be ready

4:11:19

please

4:49:00

[music]

4:49:05

you go ahead

4:49:08

Raste too, filmed

4:49:22

well, come on

4:49:25

well yes, yes

4:49:29

Dakha, who among us wants to

4:49:31

leave, yes

4:49:42

The reports are very, very

4:49:46

interesting and very

4:49:57

seriously, right now I don't know

4:50:21

I don't want to

4:50:46

[music]

4:50:54

uh

4:51:14

What, what, what needs to be done with the car?

4:51:44

that he came back, I don't even know—come back, come back

4:51:48

Kato

4:52:04

right now I don't even understand at what

4:52:08

point it will be halfway

4:52:11

you'll climb up, so we can

4:52:13

just raise the camera, yes

4:52:15

look, right now we're raising the camera up to the

4:52:18

ceiling, then you stand here in front of the camera

4:52:21

you just climb out, it would be

4:52:24

not bad, we could do it like that

4:52:29

raise it—do you think it can be heard there?

4:52:42

ready

4:53:05

Yes, we need to take a screenshot, funny

4:53:32

it really took off, yeah

4:53:53

then we'll

4:54:39

oh

4:54:42

on

4:55:26

Let me just go over to him, and you tell me

4:55:30

which one—yes, it's faster this way, just tell me

4:55:32

tell me which one is the latest

4:55:35

the latest? I don't see the latest one, then later

4:55:41

I have it, I have it on

4:55:43

the page, and you?

4:55:53

you, you too? Ah

4:55:57

that's it, I said it for half an hour and

4:56:19

just a mountain of it

4:57:39

uh

4:57:50

look

4:58:03

they've already started playing the game even now

4:58:33

good

4:59:02

we begin

4:59:14

it works

4:59:20

it works

4:59:30

which, when

4:59:34

will be, and that's his

4:59:49

you have 340,000

4:59:52

views, seriously

4:59:55

right now, according to the statistics

5:00:35

when

5:00:41

Yes, well, I mean, there isn't

5:00:48

anything like that

5:00:51

well, yes

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sh

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bu

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I think, please

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how much then

5:03:04

with

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Sasha was supposed to

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do it, Sasha should have

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cha

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no, one person is not enough

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every request must be looked at

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it was exactly

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in my opinion

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for now, go somewhere

5:06:07

Come on, the second one already, the second

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Uh-huh

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turn it on

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the main thing is, it's possible

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Yes, so, the general one, sitting, sitting because

5:07:39

damn it, you never see your own anymore

5:07:51

in no case

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more

5:08:40

possible

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yes, let's do it in

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here you go

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right now and

5:09:18

All right, okay for you

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honestly, it sounds

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already

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I ask everyone

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[music]

5:10:21

on January 1, 2017, the Lensky District Court

5:10:25

of the city

5:10:26

with the participation of the state department head

5:10:29

of the department

5:10:30

of the regional prosecutor's office departments

5:10:33

for supervision over compliance with legislation

5:10:35

against corruption in culture

5:10:37

also

5:10:40

his defense attorney, lawyer Mikhailov

5:10:42

Ofitserov and defense attorney

5:10:45

having examined in court the materials of the criminal case

5:10:48

regarding charges of a crime under Part 33

5:10:53

part, against Officer Yuryevich, concerning the commission of

5:10:56

a crime under paragraph p of Article 33

5:10:59

part of the article

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160; on January 25, 2017, but

5:11:06

the city court, in the court session of 201

5:11:11

would

5:11:14

of the court hearing of the criminal case in 2017

5:11:19

year, 27, 2017

5:11:27

the hearing, with a signed undertaking of proper conduct

5:11:32

the defense did not object

5:11:33

to the choice of the preventive measure, since the choice

5:11:36

of the measure

5:11:37

for now, the grounds

5:11:40

considers

5:11:43

...the court takes into account that Nava accepted...

5:11:46

the commission of an intentional serious...

5:11:47

the opening of the court hearing

5:11:48

which took place

5:11:50

272 On January 30, 2017, he failed to appear...

5:11:54

properly notified of the time of the hearing in relation...

5:12:00

...the court previously made a decision to hold the hearing in his...

5:12:05

defense counsel, his lawyer, by way of official notification to him

5:12:08

reading aloud

5:12:09

the legal basis is also...

5:12:13

receives... indicating that he is obstructing...

5:12:16

notification to him of the next...

5:12:18

court hearing is regarded by the court as...

5:12:21

a deliberate obstruction of the court hearing...

5:12:25

grounds for conducting the hearing...

5:12:31

According to

5:12:36

...and the court's ruling...

5:12:41

hearing

5:12:51

conducting the review

5:12:54

located in the city...

5:13:04

[music]

5:13:10

...Alexei, born in 1976

5:13:13

born in the Kirov Region, from February 1...

5:13:17

from 2012 until February 10, 2017, under a written undertaking...

5:13:21

...an obligation not to leave without permission from his place of...

5:13:25

residence

5:13:26

Kirov, located at the address: Kirov Region

5:13:30

city avenue 145, building 1

5:13:34

to appear before the court

5:13:37

before the court

5:13:41

ruling of ... 2017, city of

5:13:43

Kirovsky

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district

5:13:49

state...

5:13:54

region

5:13:58

defense counsel

5:14:05

lawyer, materials concerning...

5:14:09

part

5:14:12

...

5:14:13

official... committed

5:14:16

part

5:14:18

...on January 25

5:14:22

2017, which was adjourned to ... 2017, about which

5:14:26

the person present at the hearing had been notified in advance

5:14:32

hearing of the federal...

5:14:36

case of 201... year

5:14:42

...was...

5:14:45

the issue was raised by the defense side

5:14:53

...and by the prosecution

5:14:58

the court considers that

5:15:01

officers

5:15:03

...that took place

5:15:16

documented in the court...

5:15:18

hearing of 2017

5:15:35

year, appeared at the court hearing

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[music]

5:16:08

...

5:16:13

7556, March 4

5:16:18

25, 2017, until the 10th of ... 2017

5:16:25

the above temporary place of residence

5:16:29

...located...

5:16:33

you must appear, please, before the court...

5:16:40

Presiding Judge

5:16:43

present

5:16:45

please... this is part of the parties'...

5:16:50

in addition

5:16:53

in court... your place of stay above has been established

5:17:00

please refrain

5:17:01

leaving once again — if I am absent for more than 12

5:17:05

hours from the territory of the region

5:17:07

it will be regarded as having left

5:17:08

the region, whether directly or...

5:17:11

...or the city of Kirov — from Kirov to Malmyzh

5:17:14

you may travel to Malmyzh

5:17:17

Your Honor, I have a brief

5:17:20

statement and a couple of questions, if I may, in order for

5:17:23

you to clarify briefly

5:17:26

statement. Have you seen the film *Brother 2*? There was a line there...

5:17:29

...something like: “I respect you, but...”

5:17:33

“...I won't drink.” It's the same here: I respect the court very much,

5:17:35

but I inform the court that I will not

5:17:38

sign this undertaking not to leave.

5:17:41

That is first. Second, I simply have

5:17:43

a question for clarification: who is going to pay if...

5:17:46

I am evicted from there tomorrow and I have to...

5:17:49

Is the court placing on me an obligation

5:17:51

to start an ugly fight in the field, in...

5:17:53

the hotel, when security throws me out of there?

5:17:55

While I am being evicted, will I be fed in

5:17:57

the hotel? I mean, well, it is a hotel

5:18:00

and actually quite expensive. What

5:18:03

am I supposed to do in that connection? Please just explain

5:18:05

your decision to me then. You literally

5:18:08

stated at the court hearing that you have

5:18:10

funds available in order to

5:18:11

pay for the room until Friday. But on the weekend, when...

5:18:16

you said until December 10 — December 10...

5:18:18

multiply it until the 10th — sorry, yes, until the 10th

5:18:22

of February, February 10. Multiply that by 4,000 rubles (about US$65 at the time)

5:18:24

and that will be a substantial

5:18:27

sum, especially with lawyers as well. Yes, probably.

5:18:31

The defense says that for them to leave for the

5:18:35

weekend, no permission is required. For whom?

5:18:37

For the lawyers? Well then...

5:18:39

And I have to stay here in Kirov for the weekend?

5:18:42

Fine, I went to a museum — what next? Come on,

5:18:44

give me a guided tour of Kirov

5:18:47

what else then? You have left me here

5:18:49

invite me over for tea, I don't

5:18:51

know what else. How is this supposed to work in

5:18:54

practice? Yes, Friday — I said at the hearing

5:18:57

that I have money for the weekdays

5:18:58

but on weekends I will be staying... and

5:19:01

in general, let's proceed as follows...

5:19:05

the money has not come in, the funds have run out, there is no money

5:19:08

we have not finished — no, the question really is

5:19:10

a serious one: where are the bills supposed to be sent?

5:19:11

Sent where? To what address? Who

5:19:14

is paying them? Is the minibar allowed or not?

5:19:18

And breakfast? We are already getting into questions like

5:19:20

without a minibar it's difficult, very difficult...

5:19:24

It is nevertheless proposed that a copy be received

5:19:26

of the ruling, with a signed receipt acknowledging receipt

5:19:29

in the records. About...

5:19:30

What? About receipt of a copy of the ruling? No.

5:19:33

I will not sign. Your...

5:19:36

The ruling will be appealed; it has not entered into

5:19:37

legal force. So what kind of undertaking is this? This is...

5:19:40

not detention, which takes effect immediately

5:19:43

it will be appealed in accordance with the procedure established by law

5:19:46

SRO

5:19:48

d

5:19:52

please, please, we will receive a copy

5:19:54

we will receive it; at the same time, we would also like to immediately

5:19:56

receive the order for compulsory appearance as well, and accordingly

5:19:58

everything that you issued today as well, right now. Excuse me

5:20:01

this is not

5:20:04

all right, Navalny (Alexei Navalny), please as well

5:20:09

one more question: well, simply, if we

5:20:14

finish on Friday, and you

5:20:20

accordingly, under the protocol, go

5:20:22

to the deliberation room to prepare the verdict

5:20:24

correct? That

5:20:26

means that, as it turns out, you are planning for February 10

5:20:29

to come out

5:20:31

I think that in this case, until

5:20:35

the last

5:20:37

word. Who among us will give it?

5:20:41

submit a motion, and I will

5:20:43

consider it

5:20:46

so, that is, are you promising that you will consider it?

5:20:50

we are not promising that we will let you go, of course

5:20:52

I said I would consider it—that is all I said

5:20:55

then there will be... no, it’s just that last time

5:20:57

that is exactly how it was: we agreed on the date

5:20:59

and then something changed. And now I

5:21:01

because of the date on the sign-up list, they

5:21:03

were howling, although, by the way, I have

5:21:05

valid reasons, really. All right

5:21:12

I will get a copy

5:21:16

those... Oleg, who took it? Please tell me

5:21:20

please

5:21:25

criminal case

5:21:30

can I not?

5:21:34

well, either we sign it, or let’s

5:21:39

just leave it at that

5:21:46

I will serve the ruling

5:22:07

regarding me, yes? Uh-huh. And дальше what?

5:22:12

the date is written

5:22:16

the signature is written... oh

5:22:18

what is the ruling about?

5:22:36

everything that...

5:22:40

not

5:23:24

definitely move everyone in there

5:23:27

Let’s also take the recognizance from the prosecutor

5:23:29

all the rulings will be prepared

5:23:36

about the cooperative

5:23:40

the numbers have been assigned

5:23:47

[music]

5:24:35

so that

5:24:41

tomorrow

5:24:44

internet outage, maybe the Wi-Fi is in some mode

5:24:50

video streaming is not possible

5:25:14

that’s all from us then, see you tomorrow

5:25:19

by 9 o’clock we

5:25:23

[music]

5:25:40

whether or not... no one understands that

5:25:44

understands. I mean, it is not in effect—we did not

5:25:47

give it. That is, neither of you signed a paper

5:25:50

saying that you undertake not to

5:25:52

leave

5:25:55

tomorrow. This is

5:25:59

well, this is

5:26:08

they refused something regarding it. Well, the recognizance itself

5:26:12

was signed because it was half... with...

5:26:17

Let’s perhaps arrange some kind of approach

5:26:20

somehow. Well, stand however is most comfortable for you

5:26:23

comfortable. I

5:26:31

then—Pyotr, where did you go? Let me do it alone

5:26:36

I will start

5:26:47

the documents were not

5:26:55

signed. Well, you all witnessed this

5:26:58

strange spectacle, which once again proves

5:27:01

only one thing: that all these

5:27:03

restrictions and this entire process

5:27:05

are connected solely with the election campaign

5:27:06

we publicly announced the schedule for opening

5:27:09

campaign headquarters. On Saturday I was supposed to open

5:27:11

the first headquarters in St. Petersburg, and immediately

5:27:14

suddenly the judge

5:27:16

comes out with a recognizance order

5:27:20

carefully... lawyer Davydova simply, from

5:27:22

indignation, could not stay on her

5:27:25

feet, and right then the judge comes out with

5:27:28

the initiative of imposing a recognizance not to leave, which

5:27:30

was not even part of the first trial. It is clear

5:27:32

what this is for: so that I simply cannot

5:27:33

travel around the regions, and then there will be

5:27:36

a recognizance not to leave until he delivers

5:27:38

the verdict, and then there will be a recognizance

5:27:39

not to leave until there is a decision

5:27:41

from the appellate court, and thus

5:27:43

for several months I will have to

5:27:45

either stay at the Hilton hotel in

5:27:47

Kirov—which is simply ridiculous—or else

5:27:50

at home

5:27:51

but

5:27:53

I officially refused to sign any

5:27:55

travel restriction. I gave no such undertaking. I do not believe that

5:27:59

I should be required to remain

5:28:01

here in Kirov. I believe this

5:28:04

decision is unlawful, and I do not intend to comply with it

5:28:05

and I plan to be on Saturday in

5:28:08

the city of St. Petersburg for the opening of

5:28:09

my campaign headquarters

5:28:31

Thank you. And we all witnessed this strange

5:28:34

spectacle, which has proven

5:28:58

now we need to

5:29:19

Is this yours?

5:29:32

charger? Koga, fix the video for me too

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