The Sixth Meeting of the Opposition Coordination Council


We need to run over there.
Understood.
Colleagues, you have a quorum of 27 people. And
we are opening the session.
The first item concerns the agenda.
Let's
vote on whether we adopt the agenda,
which has just been distributed, as the basis.
I would like to propose right away, on my own behalf,
that items 5 and 12 could be combined here,
which concerns the budget committee. And
in the supplementary materials these items
have already been combined.
Yes, agreed.
Yes. We adopt it as the basis. Yes. Is there
anyone who is against?
Amendments. Amendments. More addi- more
are possible.
Well, excuse me, I asked the executive secretary
to add to the agenda the issue
of executive secretaries. Well, in that
wording it is not here. I ask that it be
included.
Let's adopt it as the basis first, and then introduce
all proposals.
It was requested after the agenda had already been sent out to everyone
for the meeting. Thus, at this moment
you can introduce it and put it to
a vote.
So, does anyone have proposals regarding
issues that are not reflected here
in the agenda, or proposals
as to whether perhaps some
issues that we have already
considered repeatedly at meetings of the
Coordination Council, should perhaps be removed and postponed
to Demography 2. And to put
the issue to a vote for consideration
as the third item on the agenda, and in view
of the particular importance of the issue of adopting
a resolution and statement by the Investigative Committee
regarding the authorities of the city of Moscow
concerning the events of May 6. And this resolution
and statement were distributed yesterday to all
members and executive secretaries.
Look, it also wasn't possible to include it in the agenda
in time, because, well,
the issue was sent in.
Are we adopting this decision, then?
Let's make it the fourth item.
Let's make it third.
Let's make it third.
Understood. The third item, then, is the issue concerning
the statement by the Investigative Committee. Uh,
Andrey Varov.
I already raised this issue at the previous meeting.
Items 4, 6, and in general
I propose removing them, or moving them there?
Well, I think it's a debatable issue. Let's
put it to a vote. Is there anyone
who wants to speak on this?
Yes. First of all, regarding the resolution
on Kvachkov. A new one, well, this new resolution,
went through the human rights committee. We
met, and the committee approved it.
Then is the matter put to a vote, or
does anyone else want to speak on this
matter?
So then, we vote afterward,
that is, the motion reads as follows: we remove from
the agenda the items numbered
4, 6, and
May I say one more thing?
Yes.
If I may speak, Nikolai, I
urge you. I voted three times in favor of
the issue of the resolution on Kvachkov. Three times
I voted for it. But now I also
support removing this issue from
consideration, because it will not pass. And, well,
there is no point in twisting everyone's arm
any further. Are we really going to bring this up at every meeting of the Coordination Council
? Let's do it at an
absentee vote as much as you like, until you're blue in the face,
but at an in-person meeting, it seems to me
it's pointless. And, well, it's like an Italian
strike. You had three issues of your own,
which we did not adopt, and you brought them up
a second time, a third time. But
next time it will be a fourth time, a
fifth time; that, it seems to me, is the wrong
tactic. They still will not pass,
so I urge you to withdraw them yourself
please. Well, thank you for the appeal, but
nevertheless, I believe that this
issue should remain, because
I emphasize once again, the resolution on
Kvachkov is new wording, drafted by
lawyer Mikhalkov; all of this
took place at the group's meeting. The group
met in the human rights
committee, and the group approved this resolution.
Therefore, of course, it should remain
on the agenda and be discussed. Also,
let's say, yesterday there was this meeting of the group
on IT, well, the information
group, yes, and, say, the issue of
creating an official page and group
on VKontakte (a Russian social network) and other social networks. It
was discussed; true, there was no quorum, but
as I understood it, everyone agreed that
yes, this really does need
to be done, so I also insisted
that all these issues can be
discussed. Thank you.
So, we are putting this matter to a vote. I
only have one question as the chair
regarding procedure. So this is
a procedural matter, right?
All right. Putting it to a vote. Who is in favor
of excluding these items from
the agenda?
468
468.
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Accordingly, the motion did not pass. These
items remain on the agenda. Who has
What other additions are there to the agenda?
Sergei,
I propose removing item thirteen from
the agenda because discussing it is obviously pointless
in principle.
Akimi, do you have any objections?
Dvoy proposes removing the item from the agenda
.
All right. Let's put it to a vote.
I also want to speak. First of all, the question
of the Coordination Council's symbols is not
unworthy of discussion, because we
don't have any symbols. We need to decide whether
we need them or not. If we do, then what should they be? Yes,
that's the first point. Second, Polcha's question
about registering
a trademark before our opponents do,
right? I remember it was proposed before, wasn't it?
So right now I think the issue is quite
serious; there is a lot to say, and
we do have something to express. I think
this could drag on for 10 hours, right? The issue
is serious; the Coordination Council
of the Russian opposition is an important matter.
What are you talking about? What is
behind your wish to remove
this item? Is it no longer relevant, or
what?
Yes. By the pointlessness of discussing this
issue.
That's what you think? I also propose...
Let's not start a debate right now.
Andrei,
dear colleagues, on this issue we
have, as you know, had
a certain exchange of views in correspondence,
which showed that discussing this
issue in person is necessary.
Uh, the results of this discussion,
naturally, cannot be predicted.
Although I have an idea of what
they might be, the very fact of this exchange
of opinions shows that this issue
deserves discussion.
Sergei,
I would like to draw attention to the fact that this
item on the agenda is worded
as follows: the issue of the CC's symbols, then
speaker Polcha — all of that together
forms some kind of package. This
seems absolutely impossible to me.
Mr. Polchvik demonstrated in the correspondence that
he is handling this issue in a purely
humorous — I would even say
fantastical — vein. This kind of
discussion is undoubtedly inappropriate here at this serious
meeting, because
we must not, uh, allow the possibility
of turning this into a farce. Therefore I
urge that this issue not be considered
in this form, and that we, uh, find a speaker
capable of discussing this
issue seriously, if such a willing person
can indeed be found. Thank you. Ah,
all right. Let's put the matter to a vote.
Who is in favor of removing item thirteen
from the agenda? Let's vote.
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The motion is carried.
Ah, now we put to a vote the adoption of
the agenda as a whole.
One second, excuse me. As a whole?
What about my
At some point you already said we should vote
on it,
right? Fine. No, I am against
putting it to a vote at all, because I
submitted it in advance. And in accordance with
the rules, if you are referring to them, respected
secretary, no later than
3 days in advance you were obliged to circulate it. That is,
the last day was the day before yesterday, if I
remember correctly, and you sent this item out at
8:00 p.m. yesterday. What is going on here?
Just note that the last day
when you were supposed to circulate the agenda
was the day before yesterday. You sent it yesterday,
so this is all happening late.
What is going on? Yes, indeed.
Ah, all right. We put to a vote the question
of including on the agenda the issue of
the secretary's responsibility.
Ah, well, let's vote then.
Who is in favor of putting the issue of the
executive secretary on the agenda
for the meeting? Yes, why is it being put
to a vote now? I didn't submit it just now, I
submitted it in advance, and it should already be
on this agenda. So now you are
removing this item. Why? I am not
removing it. I do not want it
to be voted on. I want it simply
to be included.
Let's vote. Listen, could
the chair conduct the meeting, rather than you
speaking from your seat?
Well then, let's put it to
a vote after all. It seems endless to me.
Excuse me, please, since this
issue concerns me, I will allow myself to give
a clarification. The item was sent yesterday in
the form of a proposed agenda addition yesterday at 7:00
or 8:00 p.m., after the basic agenda
had already been distributed to everyone.
Mm-hmm. In that connection,
I could not include it, just as
for example Lyubov sent hers after
we had already sent everything out. We included it
now as an additional item. That is,
it can be included; no one forbids that.
I have a compromise option. I saw
yesterday that it really was circulated
in the evening, but there is still no draft resolution
at all. Let's consider it under 'Miscellaneous'
instead. Here everything
has already been removed. Understood.
There is still no draft resolution. If there were
a draft resolution, I would be in favor of
was on the agenda. No decision has been made; it can be postponed
Is anyone opposed?
Let’s vote to adopt
the agenda as a whole today.
Who is in favor of adopting the agenda for
a vote as a whole?
The motion is carried. We move on to
considering the items. The first item is
the issue of holding spring protest
actions. The speaker is Tsarkov.
Dear colleagues,
the working group on organizing
protest actions has met repeatedly
to discuss the upcoming events.
We are now ready to present the program
of actions for the upcoming period, the main
event of which will be the rally
marking the anniversary of the events on Bolotnaya Square (site of the 2012 protest in Moscow).
Let me tell you about the program we have developed
step by step.
Uh, the first event that we
propose
to include in this program is, um, the International
Day of Joint Action for the Release of
Russian political prisoners. On April 6, at
a meeting of our working group,
representatives of various
public organizations were present, including
the May 6 Committee. Therefore, we decided
to join forces and hold in
central Moscow on April 6 an action in support of
political prisoners.
Naturally, at this action, uh, the issue of
the May 6 prisoners will be the main focus.
We, uh, plan to organize a collection of
letters that anyone who wishes can
write. We will pass them on to the guys
being held in pretrial detention centers. And, of course, anyone
who wishes can donate money to support
them.
Also, uh, we are organizing
a photo exhibition dedicated to the events on
Bolotnaya. Uh, we are working on the script for
a small performance. If it turns out
to be interesting enough, we will
stage it, and there will be a small
theatrical presentation on
the corresponding theme of
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support for the Bolotnaya prisoners.
Uh, I think that
tentatively, the venue for holding
this event, well, of course depends
on many factors, but we will
try to secure approval for one of the central
sites in Moscow, possibly
Pushkin Square or Novopushkinsky
Square. I suggest that for now
we not lock this down, that is,
regarding the venue of the event and
the time as well not
define them too precisely, because this is
a Saturday, most likely around midday. That
is, in the course of negotiations with the executive
authorities, we will resolve these issues in working order
as we go. The main thing is to enter into the calendar of
events this first action, which
will open
this protest period leading up to May 6,
dedicated to supporting political prisoners
on April 6.
Next,
from April 7 to 30, uh, we want to dedicate each
of those days to
supporting a particular person
being prosecuted in the Bolotnaya case. That is,
one day will be dedicated to Sergei Krivov,
another day to Ilya Glushchin,
Nikolai Kavkazsky, and so on—to all
the people being prosecuted in the Bolotnaya
case. It does not matter whether that person is
in pretrial detention, under house arrest, under
travel restrictions, or
forced into political emigration. We already have
one person convicted in this case. We
will dedicate each day
to one person.
On those days, we would like to make every
effort to
spread information
about the specifics of the case, about outrageous episodes
that remain unproven, about the
fabricated evidence in the case, about
false testimony by police officers,
that is, overall to draw attention to
the cases in which these guys are being convicted.
In addition,
of course, we will also cover
the situation the person is facing
in connection with being held in pretrial detention, that is,
the conditions of confinement.
Of course, we
the family situation
will also be able to show. That is, we will
speak each day about one
specific
person being persecuted by the authorities.
In addition, the working group on
organizing the protest action is appealing to
well-known politicians and public
figures, primarily those who are members of the
Opposition Coordination Council.
with a proposal to take part
in these days of support for the May 6
prisoners. It will be necessary to choose
a convenient day for you in April that
you can devote entirely
to supporting a particular person. You will need
to record a video in which
you talk about the situation with the investigation of the
case and perhaps read out an appeal.
And if we receive something from a person being held in
pretrial detention, that is, to devote one
of your days entirely to one
of the May 6 prisoners. I think this is
important. Uh, in many cases it would be
appropriate to meet with parents
and relatives. Also, Alexei has
Polikhovich has a wedding planned in the pre-trial detention center (SIZO).
I think people will, of course, want
to come and offer their congratulations, so this will be
a kind of street action as well.
It seems to me that we’ve found a good
balance between information campaigns
and street activity.
Campaign materials will be distributed,
leaflets with information, naturally, about
the upcoming main protest action on
the anniversary of the events on Bolotnaya Square
and information about the May 6 prisoners.
Of course, this will be distributed
um, near major metro stations, in
places with the heaviest
pedestrian traffic.
Uh, before practically every major
protest action, materials are handed out.
This time we want
to focus our efforts on this as well.
So over the course of the week we will
distribute
materials, and we’ll be able to reach a large
number of people. I think this will, on the whole,
well, um, have some effect.
So, in my view, it makes sense
to run this kind of campaign from April 29
through May 5.
And the next event
is planned—we have scheduled
a round-the-clock solo picket on
Manezhnaya Square from May 1 to May 5. There is
a group of activists who approached us
with this initiative,
and we supported it. I,
of course, understand that it will be quite difficult
to stay on
Manezhnaya Square for five days, but nevertheless such a
picket will also attract attention; it will be
useful. And May 1 through May 5 are holidays
and days off. There will be many
people out walking in central Moscow, in Alexander Garden,
and on Manezhnaya Square, so this picket
will be noticeable. Naturally, during the day
materials will be handed out.
So we supported
this initiative and included it in the schedule
of events.
Now about the main spring protest action.
protest.
Let’s start with the date.
During the discussion in our working group,
we considered various possible dates
for holding actions on the anniversary of the events
at Bolotnaya. We looked at the period from April 27
to May 12—practically every one of
those days. I’m not going to give
a characterization of each day right now. What is important
to understand is that May 5 is Easter, which
is preceded by Holy Week. In our view, it is not
particularly appropriate to hold events
on those days, and to hold
the main protest action even earlier, at the
end of April—for example, on April 27—
which is a Saturday, would be far too early.
That is, society still would not yet be talking
about these events. It would be somewhat
artificial.
Even if we make every possible effort,
it would still lead to the fact that
slightly fewer people would come to the action. That is,
in the information space we would not
be able, uh, to conduct such a broad
campaign. Of course, one could object that
those who want to come will, of course, come, but
it seems to me that we should still, uh,
choose an acceptable date, the most
suitable one, so that
people could
somehow combine attending our
event with their own
schedule. Therefore, in the end, after
lengthy discussion, we came to the
conclusion that the main spring protest action
should take place
on the exact day itself—that is, on May 6.
Uh, it seems to me that this is the right
decision.
Uh,
we will still have a discussion after
my report, but nevertheless this was
the unanimous decision of our working
group.
Now about the time.
Since May 6 is a working day,
if we want, uh,
people
to be able to get to the site of the action
after work, then it should probably
be held in the evening. That is reasonable. Holding it
during the daytime would be worse.
Therefore, we believe that on May 6
the action should, uh, take place in the evening
starting at 19:00, that is, with a 7:00 p.m. start.
About the format.
This will probably be the most debatable
question, but nevertheless we also arrived at
a unanimous opinion that
this time, this event, the main
event
of the spring, should be held in the format of
a rally without a march beforehand. I
will try to explain why.
First,
unlike previous actions, this
time we have a substantial substantive
agenda. There is a great deal we need
to tell people.
Two minutes remain.
Well, I won’t manage in two minutes—this is a report,
so please hear me out.
This is an important issue.
There is a lot we need to tell people. And
right now a public
investigation into the events on Bolotnaya
Square is underway. We need to tell people about its
findings. We need to give
the lawyers a chance to speak. We need to give
the opportunity to speak
to representatives, perhaps,
to the relatives of people being held in pretrial detention centers (SIZO, remand prisons).
This is an important issue. In other words, we effectively
must, um, this time hold
a full-fledged rally. It cannot be
short; it has to be a full-fledged
substantive, packed rally. In addition,
in my view, we need to move away from
certain standard formats. We have
already used the combination of a march plus a rally four
times last year, yes,
it is a successful model, but nevertheless
we need to introduce an element of novelty. For example,
on January 13 we held a successful
campaign, March Against Scoundrels. Uh, it
was organized together with colleagues. In
the course of preparing it, we received a great
many different opinions saying that we should not
hold marches. We needed
to hold a mandatory rally at its
conclusion. But nevertheless, we made
the right decision at that moment.
There was nothing to talk about. Everything that could be said
had already been said.
It was about children, about their fate. People
came out, came out for an energetic march.
And that was, by and large, the right
decision. A rally would have been, well, probably,
superfluous at that moment. Now the situation is
different. Right now we have a great deal
to tell people. That is why the rally format
is appropriate. We also have to take into account
another circumstance: after
a march, 15-20%
of people do not make it to the rally. They
took part in the march, they expressed their
civic position
and then leave. In this case, five minutes are addi-
in this case. Thank you. In this
case, it seems to me that this point also
needs to be taken into account. And finally, if we
plan to hold this event on May 6
and plan to hold it in the evening,
the reason for that, as I said earlier, then
we, um, have only
a limited amount of time for it. That
is, if we start it at seven, then we
in accordance with Article 9 of the
Federal Law on assemblies,
rallies, uh,
demonstrations, marches, and picketing
No. 54-FZ, by the way, must
end it by 10:00 p.m. So we have 3
hours. That is enough time for a substantive
rally, but it is not enough time
to additionally hold, so to
speak, actions in other formats. Now
about the location of the event.
We believe that the event marking the anniversary of the events
on Bolotnaya Square should be
held on Bolotnaya Square. It is
symbolic.
Other venues are less
suitable, so, overall, it is
obvious that we should try
to obtain approval to hold this
event on Bolotnaya Square.
And we have an idea to organize a series
of one-person pickets.
that would line the route
people take from the nearest metro station to the square.
I think this is an interesting addition. So
combined with the rally, I think
it will be a good solution. Now about
the name. This is also a very important point.
During the month before the main protest action
on May 6, we will be taking to the
streets of cities
in support of political prisoners. We will
demand their release,
so the slogan “Freedom for political prisoners”
will be the most relevant and central one.
For the May 6 action, we propose a name
that includes this slogan
perhaps as its main element, but nevertheless
also allows us to formulate other
most important
political demands. We propose
approving the name For
Freedom for the May 6 action.
I think that now all we have left is
the outline, and so that a complete
picture somehow, uh, emerges, I will briefly
list all these events that
I spoke about above.
And then, probably, we will move on to
the discussion. So: April 6, the International
Day of Coordinated Action for the Release of
Russian political prisoners. An event on
one of the city's central squares,
tentatively Pushkin Square. From
April 7 to 30, days of support for those charged
in the Bolotnaya case, with the participation of
opposition leaders and well-known public
figures.
On Saturdays, April 13, 20, and 27. Walks with
white symbols in the city center, including
on Red Square.
From April 29 to May 5, distribution of
leaflets and campaign materials
with information about the May 6 action
near metro stations and in places
with the heaviest pedestrian traffic. From May 1 to
5, a round-the-clock one-person picket on
Manezhnaya Square. On May 6, chains
of one-person pickets from the metro station to
Bolotnaya Square. And the main protest
action: a rally on Bolotnaya Square from
7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. The name is For Freedom.
Thank you for your attention.
Sergei Parkhomenko has now signed up to
speak. Anyone who has questions for
the speaker, please sign up accordingly.
Now Sergei, for now.
Thank you very much.
I support everything that Pyotr, uh,
Tsarkov said. I just want to clarify some
the ideas that emerged there,
and their meaning. It seems to me that we
must be fully aware that with
these, um, our events,
dedicated to the anniversary of May 6, we must
reverse a very important, very
unpleasant trend that, unfortunately,
is characteristic of many of our fellow citizens.
They have short
and shallow memories, many of them do.
They forget quickly and easily.
Right now, 24 people, so to speak,
are being subjected, in various forms, to
repression. Most of them are simply
sitting in prison for many months. And people do not
remember this. They have thrown it out of
their minds to a large extent. And yes,
indeed, this may sound
tragic, but it takes a tremendous effort
to make them remember that
something very important is happening to them, and
that it concerns all of them. And for them, for
everyone, it will have consequences, because
this is about a collective, show-trial-style
political trial, the first in many
decades in Russia. We remember what
that looked like from Russian history.
Now we are going to see it again. I do not yet know
the exact dates, to be honest, when they
or how much longer they will drag out this
investigation, but sooner or later it
will happen.
And uh—
why hide it? I had already somehow
moved the phone away, but somehow it still
came through.
And that is why, essentially, it seems to me
that the key thing will be this
preliminary action, a long one,
a kind of long-distance run, which was mentioned by
Tsarkom Pod Rozgom: one person, one
day. And I have started talking with
various fairly well-known people,
um, journalists, writers, actors.
And the response is very good. People say:
"Yes, I will do it, I will take it on."
Let us
sorry. May I add
something else?
People say: "Yes, I will do it, give me
a person. Assign me anyone at all,
it makes no difference to me—pick whoever you want at random."
And I will do everything possible—I have simply
already had these conversations several times—
so that throughout the day people will be talking about that person."
That is where it all begins, with this
morning video. And then the person,
each individual person,
uses every opportunity that
they have. If there is somewhere to speak, they
speak. If someone is conducting an interview,
they give an interview. If there is somewhere
to write, they write. They go and stand in
a one-person picket outside the Investigative
Committee. They come up with everything they possibly
can; if they have a large audience, I do not know, on
social media or somewhere else, they
write there. They come up with everything
possible so that during
that day there is a lot of talk about that person,
so that people remember right now
who this is, what happened to them,
where they are now, and what
they are facing. I am sure that if we want to,
we will be able to find not just one person for
each of these twenty-four. We
will be able to find two or three as well. These are exactly the
people who should form the
core of our speakers on May 6. And that is precisely
why I believe it is absolutely right
that this should be a rally with a microphone
and with speeches. This is one of those cases when
there is a great deal to say and,
without a doubt, there are people to say it.
Thank you.
That is all. Yes,
well, perhaps there will be another opportunity.
For now.
Nikolai Bondarinno.
I pressed the button.
from below, the light.
It was on here. Maybe now
it will work.
Friends, naturally, everything that our colleague
Parkhomenko said is, of course, very
interesting, and naturally, we support all of it.
But it seems to me that we should not
forget the main
task altogether. This is a mass protest
event. Surely everyone has, probably,
read Sergei's appeal, yes, from Udaltsov.
So. And in fact, I already
believe—this is my principled position—that
reducing everything to just one rally
without a march, well, that is simply wrong,
yes. That is, as protest practice has shown,
people come out much more actively
and much more intensely specifically for
an action, for a march, that is, for
some kind of public action, right? A bare
rally will, by definition, draw
one and a half to two times fewer people than
a march would. Therefore, of course,
we have no right to give up the march,
I believe, right? So if we
do not settle this question now, then let us
at least adopt some kind of compromise
option, the one Sergei is proposing,
namely, at the very least, not to decide yet,
what exactly it will be, although I personally will
vote for a march, of course. That is my view.
And this is a very important question,
which simply cannot be ignored. I
believe that we need to hold a march.
A march, and a rally as well, of course.
Daniil Konstantinov,
representative of Daniil Konstantinov.
Dear colleagues,
I really like a number of the proposals, in
particular, the idea of dedicating a day to political prisoners
for them. It is a strong,
fresh, very good idea.
The only thing I would suggest we think about
a little is, uh, whether we really need
to limit ourselves only to the May 6 prisoners (those prosecuted over the Bolotnaya Square protest),
because what about our Leonid Razvozzhayev,
and what about our Daniil Konstantinov,
who are members, members
of the Coordination Council and of the group for
preparing protest actions? I really do not
understand.
The thing is that each and, probably,
probably, every person present here
has organized dozens, perhaps even hundreds
of protest actions in their life. Yes, and we
all know several things perfectly well.
First, on a Monday,
in the evening,
after work, that already sharply limits
the circle of participants in the action; no more than
half of our, so to speak,
maximum activist base will come. That is the first point. And
second,
a rally.
Fine, a rally, wonderful. Words are needed,
talk is needed. But please, believe me,
as someone who
has taken part since 1988
in all kinds of rallies. People come to
rallies today, and even yesterday, not in order
to listen to speakers. What is new there?
Speaker, add a minute.
Add what
a minute, add it. The speakers tell people nothing new.
Everyone knows; there is a list
of political prisoners, there will be placards with
them displayed. What we need, need is a march,
dynamic and energetic.
What is needed is not only a defensive but also
an offensive thrust. And I would also suggest
thinking about the march against the executioners, which
we somehow successfully, so to speak,
let drag on over the past month.
Why not combine these actions into
one? On the sixth, there absolutely must be a march
for sure. Thank you.
Alexei Sokhnen.
Actually, my colleagues have already taken part of
my thunder. I, of course, also wanted
to speak in support of the Sixth.
So I will be very brief. First,
dear friends, participants in protest
actions relate very differently to our
faces and to the arguments that
we repeat to them time after time. Therefore,
staging, so to speak, yet another
benefit performance for various political factions
is pointless. I would suggest, for
development,
that the protest actions group consider the following
idea: the rally should specifically not be
endlessly long. At it, there could be
very brief remarks by
representatives of the different groups of prisoners.
There are our prisoners there, there is
Daniil Konstantinov there, there are
they can probably be grouped somehow; 24
speakers would be far too many, but
perhaps 12 speakers. Very briefly.
Lawyers, relatives, close
comrades.
Ah, and of course, without a doubt, experience
shows that any march draws
more people than any rally. And not at all
because the people taking part in
a march can, so to speak,
only spare an hour and a half
for participation and then have to rush off somewhere.
Not at all. It is because a march as a format
offers far more opportunity for
participation than a rally as a format. All the more so
when it is a rally organized by such a broad
and multicolored, diverse coalition, in
which, as it were, not all participants
are equally appealing to everyone. Therefore, from
our side, we strongly insist
on a march after all, or at least
on not making a final decision for
now.
Thank you.
Gennady Konov
speaking. Hello. Hello.
Please give him the microphone. I ask that I be
given more time, because I
am involved in the work of this group. I,
in fact, came here specifically,
although I will soon be leaving, uh, Russia
for a short time. We came specifically
in order to discuss this issue. And
what is the problem here? Right now we are
repeating the working group's meeting.
Everyone starts putting forward some
normal, reasonable, at first glance,
ideas, but believe me, we have already
worked through, reworked, and talked through all of this.
And
a march is impossible on a Monday, because
it will be rush hour.
That means either holding it in the evening, and then
there will be the corresponding traffic,
well, maybe not quite as
heavy as on a normal working day.
It will still be between holidays, but
even so, a march is impossible; we will be
refused permission, and all of this will end in an
unauthorized action. That is the first point. I
would still like us, perhaps,
to discuss this once more in working order.
By the way, at the time we agreed
that a month was entirely
enough to prepare
a proper concert program, specifically
a politicized one, devoted, as it were,
so to speak, to the theme of a day for freedom.
Freedom is a broad concept. Therefore,
it seems to me that right now we are
we are needlessly doing what we have already done
in the working group. We are discussing new dates.
The twenty-seventh was discussed as well, correctly
as Pyotr said, the twelfth was discussed,
working days were discussed, and
the fifth, a day off, was discussed too, since it is Easter. And everything
was discussed, everything was worked through. We were unable
to propose a combination of a march and a rally, and
no one will dare accuse us of the fact that
the protest movement is fading away, that
the protest mood has burned out, and that
if we marginalize ourselves,
it will be unclear whom we represent. Therefore I
still propose that the proposal of our
working group, although I am not a member of it,
though I did take part,
be supported and refined, this scenario, so that
we can truly
hold a powerful mass event
showing that the protest mood
has not gone anywhere, that the protest has spread
deeper and wider, that it will undoubtedly
continue, as I can see now
from the prepared documents in the regions, and we
will support this.
As for the remaining details, I would suggest that our
working group refine them, and that those who would like
to join this group, those who wish
to take an active part in preparing
this extremely important
public and political event.
That is roughly it.
Colleagues, please keep your remarks shorter.
Pedrkov is next.
As for what was said about the idea that
a march in itself attracts more
people than a rally. That is, of course,
not true. We all know perfectly well that
the first rallies drew 100,000
people. They were not preceded by marches.
Let us simply, well, speak
the truth, yes. Right now, a march as a format
would rather be harmful on May 6, because
some people will not make it to the rally,
they will leave after the march. This is an objective
reality. We have encountered this before, and
it is very hard to dispute. And the energy
of the people who actually
take part in a march really
how to put it, well, creates a kind of drive
that appears. That is true. So this time let us
hold not an energetic march, but
an energetic rally. That, uh, can also
be done. We have a substantial
agenda. It seems to me that all the conditions,
given that it is May 6, in the evening, and
a working day, only allow us
to hold a rally. Let us simply, well,
not
fixate on a march. Next time
we will hold a march, but this time
let us hold a large, serious rally.
Thank you. Yevgeny Cherekova.
Colleagues, perhaps some kind of public
letter from cultural figures in support of
political prisoners? It seems to me that this
worked quite well at the time, with
the girls and Pussy Riot. And it seems to me
that this would be very
appropriate now as well. And I would discuss precisely
this kind of systematic work. Rally, march.
In general, I have always supported the idea of
marches, and I have even always supported
marches rather than rallies. But now
I urge everyone simply to act within
the framework of our own logic in the Coordination Council. We created
this group to organize the action. As I understand it,
it met five times. They discussed all
these issues thoroughly and in
full detail. Therefore I propose
that for now we take their
proposal as the basis.
And what we really need is simply
an energetic rally. It, well, should not
be a bit dull, the way ours
always end up being for objective
reasons. It is not that it is dull because
there is some villain making
rallies dull, but nevertheless ours
do turn out that way a little. So
therefore what we need rather is
to focus on having
the right, successful format, where people
who came to this rally do not
just fulfill their civic duty,
but also get enjoyment from
that shared energy. That is what we need
to focus on. And lastly, I
support our colleague Pivovarov's proposal.
I believe that, well, at a minimum, Moscow,
St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, and Novosibirsk are definitely cities where we
can hold an event on the same day.
Thank you, Ilya Yashin.
Colleagues, it seems to me there are two not-so
key turning points that emerged in the
course of the discussion. The first turning point is
the theme. The second is, in fact, the format
or Dmitry Krishfelya.
And indeed, in early May, of course,
it is impossible to move away from the topic of political
prisoners. Uh, and this should be one
of the main things to which
the main slogans are devoted, obviously. But,
perhaps, after all, it is probably not worth
narrowing things down and holding a rally devoted
exclusively to the topic of political
prisoners. Perhaps,
we should try to find a way
to broaden the theme and raise those
issues that concern people beyond
the topic of people persecuted for political
reasons. How to do that? That is a
technical question, probably, but it seems to me
that it would be the right thing to do.
As for the format, it seems to me
the question here is very simple. We either
hold the action on the sixth, in which case
we limit ourselves to a rally, or we change
the date, and then expand the format to
a march and a rally, because, well,
it is perfectly obvious that on a weekday,
on the sixth, we, uh, will not be able
to coordinate a march with the mayor's office
with the roadway closed off, and then,
most likely, we will have to go out for
an unsanctioned protest. Well, in that,
there is really nothing terrible, except
that it sharply reduces the number of
potential participants in the protest.
Therefore, we need to hold either on the fifth or
on the fourth a sanctioned
march, or on the fifth
limit ourselves to a rally. Thank you.
For example, we could simply prepare
for each of the imprisoned individuals
specific materials,
and post them simply in the blogosphere. This
would simply remind people and generally indicate
what this event is about, who
these people are, why they are considered
political prisoners, and why such a large number of people
are speaking out in their support,
because, after all, Russia is
not just Moscow; there are the regions as well. And
believe me, there are places where people have
barely heard anything about this, and even that only in the best
case from one of their neighbors, because
for the most part they watch television, where
on this subject, as you yourselves know,
they usually tell us nothing. Therefore, I
think it makes sense to use
such a mechanism for informing people
in general what this is, what it is about, and why it
is happening. Ah, Maxim Katz.
Dear colleagues, Mr.
Chairman, I would like to draw your
attention to Article 39 of our rules of procedure,
which sets out the procedure
for considering issues at meetings of the
Coordinating Council. We have gotten a little
stuck on item five, and it
has already lasted longer than the 30 minutes provided for by the rules.
And the next stage
of considering issues in accordance with
this article is adopting the decision in
principle, and then introducing amendments, uh, to
the decision adopted in principle, and then
voting on the entire decision as a whole. And
it seems to me that the fairly
large working group that
worked on this issue has very
carefully examined every aspect. And I
think that we need to adopt as a basis
precisely their proposal, because
well, otherwise, if such extensive
work is carried out, and then we
do not even adopt it in principle,
well, then certainly nothing here will work
at all. Therefore, I propose
that we move to item six of the procedure
for considering the issue and put to a vote
the adoption in principle
of the draft proposed by the working group. And
then move to item seven and
consider the proposed amendments, namely
replacing the rally with a march, and
also the other amendments that were raised here,
and then vote on the decision
as a whole.
Everyone has already spoken, so let us
move on. Our time is up. And
we are putting to a vote the adoption in
principle of the plan proposed by the working
group, and then we will consider the details.
Who is in favor of adopting as a basis the plan
proposed by the working group?
What are we voting on?
We are voting on whether to adopt in
principle the proposed plan itself.
23 votes. The decision is adopted. Now
let us vote separately on the procedure
for introducing it. Wait. But where is the draft
resolution? Is there a written draft
resolution on this issue?
There is no written draft resolution, but
everything has been outlined.
Wait a moment. How and where are we
going to introduce amendments, dear
colleagues? Where exactly are we going to put the amendments?
Do you know which ones?
Well, the key alternatives have just been outlined
just now. Let us vote on them
or put them to the assembly. That also
works.
By the way, I really do think,
please,
how can we vote while shouting from your seat
please ask for the floor.
Raise your hand,
colleagues, apparently you are right after all. So,
perhaps at this stage we should do
the following: have a group, including
representatives of those who prepared
the report and possibly some of those who
spoke just now, step aside and prepare
a draft resolution, uh, which could then
be posted for discussion by the
Coordinating Council. And we ourselves will move on to
the next issue, and then return to
this one. Without a draft resolution that
we could vote on, and into which
various proposals and
provisions could be incorporated, it really would be
difficult for us to formulate
a proposal that could then
be adopted as a decision
for inclusion in the minutes.
Dear colleagues, I do not quite
understand what resolution we are waiting for. Just now
there was a report by the working group, which
proposed a plan of specific actions.
That plan can be printed out.
So it is precisely this plan, this very thing
that Petrkov spoke about,
that should be submitted, that is what we should have.
Yes, if I may, I will finish. So, we
we should
prepare, preferably in written form,
a plan,
which we have just voted to adopt
as a basis. If there are any proposals, we can
discuss them. Something along those lines.
Thank you. On procedure, then, Mr.
Chairman, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that
our rules of procedure do not in any way regulate
the existence of a written draft resolution.
Of course, this seems logical, and
it really is strange to vote for
some decision without a written
draft. However, you may still
put it to a vote, since the
rules contain nothing about the mandatory nature
of a written draft.
We have staff.
At the moment, we do have the practical ability, in
principle, to review this plan. We can
provide it later. I am simply
suggesting that perhaps the key branching points
could be put to a vote, for example,
regarding the date of the rally. There were two,
respectively, proposals: May 5 and May 6,
as I understand it.
Let us at least approve that the main
rally is planned for May 6. Who is in favor of
approving this date?
What? What?
May 6.
20% plus, separately, a proposal was made
to hold preliminary
actions in the regions on the fourth; the decision
has been adopted
the decision has been adopted, yes, and separately there was
a proposal to register actions in the regions on May 4–5
and accordingly this also becomes
a proposal
a proposal; it is simply in the same
conclusion
let's
Yes, I simply have a proposal, dear
colleagues. We are the Coordinating Council, and
since people are expecting some kind of decisions and
proposals from us, let us declare these
days, May 5–6, days of nationwide
rallies and marches under the slogan "For Freedom"
I think that this would be very
appropriate; whichever regions are able to
organize themselves will do so, and whatever issues
require our assistance, we will show how to make
such an action, which should take place, perhaps
or rather be held, in other populated
areas as well
in general, I am putting to a vote May 5 for holding
the event
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Colleagues, despite the fact that our colleague Kas
says that a written version of the decision
is not necessary, that is not entirely
accurate. Article
316 of the rules of procedure states: "The adoption of a draft
resolution as a basis means," and so
on. That is, a draft
resolution is required. The words 'draft resolution,' in my
view, imply the existence specifically
of a draft resolution in written form.
Therefore, I would consider it advisable
to print out this draft and then
vote on it.
On procedure, no more. And there was also,
you wanted to put to a vote,
yes, there was a proposal to put to a vote the holding of
actions in the regions.
Once again, we will... Let us vote.
Let's do that. In fact, I now urge everyone
not to waste time on this discussion,
because the questions that are now
going to be put to a vote
are being torn out of context, and this does not
create a complete picture of the final
action. Therefore, I propose that we proceed
as follows. Without wasting time on
printing this document and on
drafting it, adopt it as a basis and
then put the key branching questions to
a democratic vote.
How is that possible? How can this question be
put to a vote? We have not discussed it. We
have the right to discuss it. And
for example, I also believe that we generally
need to understand what it is we are actually deciding.
Simply on paper, because in my view
it is so simple and clear that otherwise
speculation will begin later. We have already voted
for this. No, no, this
question there was only adopted as a basis. And
that adoption as a basis
implied that you were speaking only about the rally
without raising the rest.
They are already printing it. Well, wait a few
minutes, they will bring it now. Well, let us
proceed as follows. The proposals
that were formulated by Pyotr
Tsarkov, we will print out, distribute, and
return to this issue later.
For now, I propose removing it from
consideration
or declaring a recess,
or removing it,
colleague, why are you shouting?
On procedure, accordingly,
yes, on procedure I wanted to say that
we are voting on a draft resolution. What is the
draft resolution? To approve everything at once?
A working group, a working group.
And we also have procedural experience.
So, excuse me, I
propose either declaring a recess and
waiting until we are given the written
version, or postponing this issue until
later today and now moving on to
consideration of the next item, and then
returning to this one when we have
a written resolution. One of these two
options needs to be chosen. Let us
vote. It will not take much time,
so everything can be printed out?
The process is already underway.
They’re already handing them out. They’re already handing them out.
Then let’s move on to the next
item. After that, we’ll return to
our plans.
And the next item is
the resolution on creating a regional
representative council
of the Russian opposition. Accordingly,
you have it as item number three.
Who from the regional development group
is presenting? We have a procedural question. Have we
voted?
considers the actions of the Moscow city authorities
in preparing and carrying out the mass
opposition rally on May 6, 2013, at
Bolotnaya Square (a square in Moscow) to have been a deliberate provocation
by officials of the Moscow city government and
the Main Directorate of the Russian Interior Ministry for the city of
Moscow against the participants in the peaceful
lawful rally, with a request
to conduct an inquiry into whether there are grounds to find
elements of a crime. If, if that is
the short version, the materials have been distributed to all members
of the Coordinating Council; I ask you to vote
for the adoption of this resolution
to personally sign the said statement, and
also to call through your social
networks
on a wide range of citizens to sign
the said statement and send it to
the investigative authorities. Thank you.
Support.
Alexei Navalny.
Yes, colleagues, in fact this
issue is essentially a continuation of our
discussion at the previous CC meeting, where we
said that on the Bolotnaya case
we need to take an offensive stance.
Now that we have the opportunity
to review the case materials, we have
all the evidence showing that what
happened at Bolotnaya Square on May 6
was a pre-planned
provocation. Here you can see the crime report
that has been prepared,
a legal document of that kind. Here
you can simply see that there are
official letters from the Moscow police, where it is directly
stated that with the organizers of the public
event, the layout plan
and deployment of forces were not coordinated,
because they were considered internal service matters.
That is, Moscow itself admits that
it first agreed on one
plan, then changed everything, and
did not warn the organizers. From our
point of view, this clearly constitutes
a crime. And once again, here we must
take an offensive stance. I
propose that today everyone sign this
crime report
and thereby formalize our
claims, and then use our legal
options in order
to demand a truly
objective investigation now or
later. But these people must be
held accountable. This is the first
step in that direction.
Thank you.
Nikolai.
I’ll say right away: of course I will sign it.
I fully support it. And,
Mikhail Shats.
I would like to add the following. A resolution
is all very well, of course, and I
fully agree with its content. But
we need to understand that if we—Alexei, you
are saying that we should choose
an offensive tactic—then it should
be a tactic not merely of adopting
a resolution, but a tactic of counter-propaganda. That
is, I mean, for example, many times
we have talked about conducting
an alternative investigation into the events of May 6.
Many times we have talked about
making documentary films, and
about the participants in those events, the injured party
and so on. In this sense,
it seems to me very important, uh,
to prepare for the upcoming trial
in the Bolotnaya case precisely from this
point of view: to bring in journalists, to bring in
documentary filmmakers, and to create some
counterarguments that will be more
audible than yet another resolution.
Sergei Parkhomenko.
It is very unfortunate that it was Mikhail who said these
words. In his case, somehow, I feel
especially upset that he does not know that
a parallel investigation, a public
investigation into May 6, is underway; a
large commission has been created.
There is a separate group that
is collecting witness statements, video,
photos, and so on. More than 500 people have already
come forward with their testimony.
There is also a group that will receive a report on
all this collected evidence in order
to analyze it and
produce a final report with
conclusions. At the last meeting, I
urged colleagues to pay some attention
to this investigation, to read about it,
if it’s not too much trouble, to find material about it on
the internet, and somehow help
spread the word that this
process is taking place. Unfortunately, that
did not happen. Once again, I urge you
just to google it—none of us is
exempt—find the public
investigation into May 6 and talk about it,
use the opportunities that
you have. Separately, I would like to say that
19
March
Uh, at 6:00 p.m. an exhibition will open,
which is not just
an art photography exhibition dedicated to May 6,
It is the first attempt
to present to the public some of the
materials that were collected during this
investigation. I strongly recommend
and ask those who were in Moscow on the nineteenth
to come to this exhibition and
tell those who listen to you about it.
This is an extremely important thing. It is a practical
matter. It is not at all just, so to speak,
some kind of artistic impression
that one can take away from all this.
And Mikhail Artegin, please, go ahead.
Indeed, as they say, without you
we will not manage. And the buildings and so on. And
I have a question about this. Uh,
as for signing this
crime report, is this to be done as
a collective matter? Should we all
sign one sheet, or does each of
us submit it in our own name?
The idea is that we are now
signing this statement collectively
as members of the Coordinating Council, and then we appeal to
everyone. Just technically, how should this be done?
After all, the full names of the applicants would require
five pages of applicants' names. We have here
Let us print out during the break
the last page. And if the statement
is now adopted by the Coordinating
Council, then each member of the Coordinating
Council will personally sign the last page
of the statement, with signature and printed name there. And
the first page can then be prepared in
typed form later.
Aha, understood.
All right.
And Serdyukov. Well, actually,
I would like to thank the authors for the
work they have done and say that statements
in isolated individual cases about
crimes committed by the authorities and
the police have been written before, but when there were few of them,
the authorities had the ability simply to
ignore them. My two, for now, have
been ignored.
But if there are many of them, a flood of them, if people
send them in large numbers on their own behalf,
then it will be much harder for them
to ignore them. And our view
will become, well, a kind of public fact. In
this connection, I urge that if we
adopt this statement—as I hope we will—
everyone should post it on their social
media, promote this idea, so that
its implementation takes on a mass
character.
Maxim
I will not speak, Gennady Gudkov has already
said what I wanted to say.
Anton Dolgikh.
Lyubov, please remove from the
title the words "committed," because
the Code of Criminal Procedure provides for a report of
a crime. Even if it is called
a statement about a crime. And I propose
doing it this way: write to all members of the Coordinating Council that
there will be a collective appeal, and whoever
wishes may also do so individually,
because each person will need to
receive a response. That would be better—that is,
both collective and individual, and
we should call on citizens to do the same.
Ah, all right. Put to a vote is
me
Andrei.
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Still, so, here we have
a resolution and a statement on
three pages. But the three documents
that are in the attached supporting
pages have not, at least in
our section, been distributed. Uh,
since we are voting for the resolution and for
the statement with the corresponding references, then
of course, we would like to have these
documents. Especially if we
support the procedure that was just
discussed, with signatures both
collective and individual, then all
members—or at least those who sign
this document—must have a full
understanding of the entire package of documents
that we are now supporting, both
collectively and individually.
We,
unfortunately, have only one
copy, but all members of the Coordinating Council can
review all these documents. Well,
during the break we can distribute
them; all the papers are available, so that can be arranged.
I would like to note that on this issue the presenter is Lyubov Sobol, but for some reason
the one answering all our questions is
Alexei Navalny.
I asked that the rules of procedure
be observed. And as for procedure,
briefly: this is already the second time
and with all due respect to Sobol, yes,
that, in my view, at the very last moment
some resolutions are being introduced which
we of course unquestionably
support, but surely you must agree
that this resolution, these documents,
could have been prepared and sent out 2–3 days ago
so that we could at least print them out for the
meeting. No offense intended, of course,
I apologize. Mm-hmm.
And,
colleague Vandarev, thank you for the comment.
That is something for the future. And to colleague Larionov
I would like to say that, first of all, all
these materials I sent out as best I could
myself to the personal email addresses that I
know for all members of the council yesterday, together
with the attached documents. That is, there
in the PDF file were all the documents that
have just been handed to you. You could have
reviewed them, or done so a little
later. Second, I would like to note
that these documents, which we are
attaching, are not secret, and
information about them has circulated, including
in the media. And Svetlana Reiter
published part of the document that
is attached to the application in SQUR magazine. This
was all widely discussed, and so on. In other words,
the documents are not some kind of
novelty or something unique.
You misunderstood. The point is that many
documents are, of course, known and familiar,
and many of the people who are here
not only knew and read these documents,
but studied them. The consideration and adoption
of documents presupposes that these
documents are right in front of us,
distributed. Especially since there are
relevant references here, indications of these
documents in the appropriate volume. This is
simply standard procedure for such a
respected body as
Sergei, please.
I think there is one thing that
needs to be decided today. Yes,
of course.
Uh, we had already sort of raised our hands
to vote for this, the vote was then
carried out. Approval has been granted.
Yes, because it seems to me
it has been adopted. I'm telling you. Thank you. Excellent.
Is there anyone opposed?
Thus, this plan has been adopted as the
basis. All amendments and disagreements
will be finalized in the group and submitted to
Democracy 2.
I want to congratulate the coordinating council
of the Russian opposition on the already existing
successful experience of influencing civic and
political protests in the regions. We
adopted a resolution on January 20 regarding the city of
Bezhinsk in Nizhny Novgorod Region. And this
resolution, together, of course, with other
systematic protest actions,
led to the fact that on March 13 the Supreme
Court was forced to make a decision
that, well, automatically triggers the
procedure for reinstating in office
the removed Bezhinsk mayor Sopin,
a protest mayor, a mayor who
demonstratively left United Russia,
a mayor who set himself against
the current political system in
Russia. That system is now being forced
to reinstate him. In this, no small
role—far from a minor one—was played by
our January resolution. Now we are
preparing to hold protest
events in April and May. Yes. Who will
organize these very protest
events, invite a representative of the CC
to the region?
Who will collect signatures for
the appeal
that we have just voted on, yes,
thanks to our colleague Soba. I assure you that
these tasks cannot be solved through Facebook, through
the internet—we will not solve them
we will not. In the regions, at pickets, statements like these
statements
we will collect, well, at least as many,
and in some regions even more than
through internet resources.
And for all this, to organize this kind of
work, we now need, as badly as air,
regional CC offices.
And the last thing I still wanted
to emphasize, yes, is that in essence the
proposed resolution is simply
a mechanism for forming these regional
branches. Right now there is neither time nor
opportunity; I assure you that in the regions
there is no need to hold elections to these
regional committees. They need to be
formed by delegation,
by granting authority from those
organizations that are represented in the CC,
to their people who are in the regions.
That's all. Thank you for your attention.
Alexei.
Yes, colleagues, I took part in the working
group in which this
document was discussed, and I think that overall it can be
supported. I would draw your attention
to
the point that says the CC
rejects the artificial
formation of regional representative offices,
because while the need
to form such coordinating
bodies is understandable, on the other hand
there is a very important danger that in many
regions there are in reality
already established coalitions—political,
social, protest coalitions—for
which often
a representative of this region in the CC or
some part of the CC is, so to speak, more
of an evil than a good or an ally. And so
to create structures that will
actually oppose the existing
activists or split this activist base
in half is extremely dangerous. Gennady Kov.
Dear colleagues, I would simply like
to draw your attention to the fact that we are making
a decision somewhat
without looking at our political
statement. In the political statement, I
simply took part in its preparation and
editing, it is stated that we do not
centralize
protest activity, and that the issue
of forming similar structures is,
by and large, an initiative for the regions themselves.
In order not to introduce this
resolution into the ruling right now, I
I suggest adopting it, perhaps as the
basis, but making sure to specify that
the representative office of the Coordination
Council is specifically a representative office
of that Moscow Coordination Council
for interaction with regional
associations, if and when they emerge.
Why Moscow? Because, because in
our political declaration, which
we, well, which we
adopted, it clearly states that
the Coordination Council renounces
any kind of—I don’t remember the exact wording
offhand, I don’t have it in front of me—monopolization and centralization
of the protest movement. Therefore, we need
to distinguish between these two concepts. I believe
that, in general, a representative office
of the CC is a positive thing. Through these
representative offices, we can share experience,
exchange opinions,
information, and so on and so forth.
But this cannot replace, and must not
replace, in accordance with our
political declaration, the possibility
of creating similar coordination
councils at the initiative of the regions. These
two concepts simply need to be separated,
and this must be added to the resolution
that we are now about to
vote on. Thank you. Andrei Pivovarov.
I actually voted against this
resolution in the group. It seems to me
that delegating authority outside the framework
of elections will create exactly the problems
that our colleague Akhnin was talking about. That is, in
St. Petersburg, if we delegate authority to anyone,
we will simply end up with
another two or three groups. It seems to
me that we can work perfectly well within
the regional group, within
the framework of the entire CC’s work with the regions. And for that
there is no need to delegate or single out any
representatives, in my view.
A colleague was talking about collecting
signatures—I may be mistaken, but it seems to me
we can work directly with the people
who are doing this and organize
the work that way as well. But by singling someone out, by appointing
someone as a representative, we are going against
ourselves, because we were not, so to speak, elected
to appoint anyone, and we do not need the authority
to appoint someone in a region. Therefore,
I voted against it.
Alexei Navalnych,
thank you. Colleagues, I would support
our colleague Pivovarov. It seems to me this is
the wrong system, one in which the CC
would now begin issuing licenses for
being the opposition in a given region to one
person or another. It is clear that here,
no matter how hard we try to be
objective, there are still personal
relationships between CC members and certain people in
the regions, who are either good or
bad. There is a long history of bad
and good relations. What is most
remarkable about our CC? People may
criticize what they like and do not like about it,
but it was definitely elected. And here
everyone is here by virtue of the fact that they were
elected by others. And it seems to me that this is
the only possible principle
for forming CCs in the regions. For example,
right now in Zhukovsky
the process is underway. Without any guidance
from us, they simply went ahead and will elect their own CC,
and it will be legitimate; it does not need anything from us. And
most importantly, it will be recognized by the residents
of Zhukovsky—not by some opposition,
not by any organizations, but by the residents
of Zhukovsky. That is the most important thing. We
recently had a meeting of our group on
electronic democracy. Alexei was there too.
And right now elections are already underway
in Zhukovsky. And preparations are underway
for the possibility that elections may be
held in Yekaterinburg. And everyone,
of course, would very much like elections
to take place in St. Petersburg, but the situation there is, of course, very
complicated, and these elections
cannot be imposed from Moscow, because
in St. Petersburg the opposition figures hate each other so much
that, well—but still,
this is something we should strive for.
It seems to me that the task of the regional group
is rather to resolve this issue somehow,
to come up with such proposals
under which, for example, in
St. Petersburg such elections could take place. But
I repeat: this issue should be resolved only through elections.
Thank you.
Ilya Konstantinov.
Dear colleagues, I think that between
the different points of view expressed
here, there is actually no contradiction.
The point is that our Coordination
Council is not, first of all, a Moscow one.
because it was elected not only in
Moscow, and it includes representatives not only from
Moscow. That is the first thing I wanted
to note. And the second, and most important, point is that
we should not exaggerate our own
importance and think that if here in the
Coordination Council we assign some Ivan Doe
to organize protest activity in
some backwater town,
then Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov, who lives on
the next street over in that same town, will
hang himself over it. He will not hang himself over
that. If somewhere elections to a Coordination Council
are held without regard to the recommendations
of the
Central Coordination Council,
more power to them. But if someone locally,
in some town or village, says:
"Guys, I want to take part in the work.
There are only one, two, three of us here,
and we’re all bruised and battered—why shouldn’t he...
help? Why not support it with our
authority? I think these two
positions—grassroots self-organization and assistance
from the Central Coordinating Council
do not exclude one another at all.
Thank you.
Sergei Davidovich.
Dear colleagues,
dear colleagues, I generally agree
with the doubts that have been expressed
about this kind of interventionist format
of the proposed statement, this imposition of
opposition organizational structures from
Moscow, which is, generally speaking, both unrealistic and
replaces the institution already proposed, but
on the other hand, it is obvious that ties with
the regions
are, well, not good enough, the issues facing
the regions are not fully understood, and by the efforts
of the regional group alone,
which in any case is, well, located there in
a specific place in Moscow or St. Petersburg, that is,
its members cannot cover with their
view everything. Uh, that is impossible
to do. Therefore, there is a sensible element
connected with formalizing communication with
each of the regions, it seems to me, in this
draft. I would suggest to the authors
perhaps reworking it so that
uh, well, such missions, such links,
so to speak, yes, also a direct and clear channel
of communication, an eye, so to speak, of the Coordinating Council, uh, from among
those who wish to create one locally—then
that would serve the goals of further
development. Ilya Yashin,
colleagues, I propose voting against
this resolution. It seems to me that, uh, we
should encourage, if these are elections in
the regions. And if so far not a single
coordinating council has appeared in the regions,
then, uh, people are not yet ready. We must
avoid, uh, attempts to impose, through a
top-down vertical scheme, any kind of
formats, because we will only sow
conflicts. We will not solve the
tasks we declare; instead, we will
generate multiple conflicts, we will
draw reproaches against ourselves and pit
representatives of different opposition
groups in the regions against one another. We need to help people
organize elections, we need to help
people organize some kind of, I don't
know, forums, but we cannot propose
a format, uh, devised in Moscow.
Therefore, it seems to me that the resolution is rather
counterproductive.
Andrei Valery.
Dear colleagues, quite a number of
colleagues have already expressed, generally speaking, the idea
that I also wanted to mention.
In our unfortunate country, there are very many
different vertical power structures—security,
legislative, presidential, and so on. Now we
currently run the risk of creating a vertical chain
of coordinating councils, which, in my
view, is definitely something we should not do. And
here, in this draft resolution,
unless I am mistaken, I believe the word
"elections" does not appear even once, unless I am
mistaken. All of us here
on the Coordinating Council found ourselves here
because we were elected, elected by our
voters. And in general, the Coordinating Council itself
has its own kind of
well,
forerunner, namely
the rallies and mass demonstrations of December
2011 and then the beginning of
2012, which demanded
elections—and not just elections, but
fair elections. Uh, therefore,
well, we should continue to develop
uh, our own electoral procedures,
so that there can be no complaints against us
regarding how we ourselves
were elected. And we certainly must not
impose on anyone
procedures that exclude elections, let alone
fair elections. Therefore, from the point
of view of the actions of the Coordinating
Council, we could, with the help of our
regional group, provide assistance in
organizing the relevant elections in
the regions. Therefore, I would suggest that
those who proposed this resolution should not
put it to a vote now, because
it will not pass, but instead rework it
accordingly so that
there is, uh, proper room here for
electoral procedures and assistance from
our Coordinating Council in
organizing them.
And I wanted to take the floor briefly.
It is just that we really are holding
elections to the People's Council. And I would like
to note two things. First, holding
elections is a very important test.
It shows whether a regional branch is at all
viable. And second, it
solves our important strategic task
of building up a base of supporters of the
Coordinating Council, which increases the legitimacy
of our system of electronic democracy. And
now I simply propose that the representative,
Artyom, take the floor for a final word, yes, and decide
whether to put the resolution forward or not, and then
vote, if necessary.
I also have something to say.
Well, time is already limited.
Under our rules, for the debate
10 minutes are allotted, and that time has already expired.
Russky.
Dear colleagues, thank you to everyone who
has expressed an opinion. The opinions are clear,
the opinions are well grounded, yes, but I would simply very much
ask all of you, colleagues, to read carefully
the documents that
are submitted for the CCO meeting, because
that this resolution’s content, precisely,
actually reconciles these outwardly
opposing points of view. Please note
what it begins with: to begin
forming a representative body in
regions where there has been positive experience
of jointly holding public
events.
Where such experience exists—and we have it in
the Nizhny Novgorod Region—there we
can now form a regional
branch of the Coordination Council according to the model
proposed in this resolution, that is,
through delegation. Elections there right now
would only complicate things; there is no need. It would waste time. It would
only inflame protests, contradictions,
and squabbles.
I do not need that in Nizhny Novgorod.
And where there is no such
cooperation, as was rightly said,
we should refrain from artificially
forming regional committees and
consider and think through what should be done there and how.
Finally,
elections are by no means
excluded from this resolution. It proposes resolving the issue of
involving in the work of forming
regional representative bodies
members of regional electoral
commissions and, where necessary, jointly with
the Central Election Commission. There is
an opportunity in some places to hold elections, in Belgorod for example.
Let’s hold elections in Zhukovsky, in
Yekaterinburg, in St. Petersburg.
This resolution specifically provides for
different options, but we are simply asking that you not
close off the possibility of quickly and
effectively forming representation
of the forces in the regions, where a lengthy,
difficult, drawn-out election procedure
is simply unnecessary. Therefore, dear
colleagues, I insist that this
resolution be put to a vote now.
Accordingly, the resolution is put to
a vote.
Those in favor of adopting it in the form in which
it was presented?
Clause 39 of our rules of procedure
provides first for adoption as a
basis, then amendments, and then
adoption as a whole. That means that now we
are voting to adopt as a basis what
the working group or the rapporteur proposed.
So, we are voting on adoption as a basis.
Who is in favor of adopting this
statement as a basis?
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12 votes. The motion is not adopted.
How many people do we have left now?
23, at least according to the registration list. That is,
under what is the quorum being maintained? Check the
registration.
No, from that point of view we do not want to
take a break. All right, let us move on to
the next item. Resolution
on Klyachkov... rapporteur Bangarila.
Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov was
arrested on December 23, 2010, on the
day after the Judicial Panel
for Criminal Cases of the Supreme
Court of the Russian Federation approved
the acquittal issued by the Moscow
Regional Court for Kvachkov, Yashin, Naidenov
and Ronov in the criminal case opened
over the attempted assassination of RAO UES head
Chubais. A new criminal case was
opened by the Main Investigative Directorate
Nikolai, may I read it? Everyone has read it already, after all.
Still, no—actually, it is my right
to read it out if I want. No, the proposal is
not to read it.
Ah, thank you, I will read it out, because the words
So, the criminal case was opened by the Main
Investigative Directorate of the FSB of Russia under
Article 30—well, preparation for an armed
mutiny, involving persons in assisting
terrorist activity, despite the fact
that the materials of the criminal case
contain no evidence that
Kvachkov had a real opportunity
to carry out the actions imputed to him,
despite the fact that there was no indication
of armament and no indication
of large numbers, which are
mandatory for classifying an act under
Article 279, a panel of three professional
judges of the Moscow City Court
handed down a guilty verdict against Kvachkov
sentencing Kvachkov to thirteen years
of imprisonment in a maximum-security penal colony, with
one year of restricted freedom. In his
closing statement, Kvachkov pointed out that
he had been engaged in scholarly work,
developing a concept for separating special
operations forces into a separate branch
of the armed forces, and had also written a scholarly work on
the idea that in the event of war, conducting
guerrilla operations on the territory
of the Russian Federation would be the most
effective way of fighting
intervening forces. The main evidence
against Kvachkov consists of more than 80 hours
of audio recordings of Kvachkov’s conversations with
his acquaintances in the kitchen of his
apartment, where political
problems were discussed, along with the unlawfulness of the ruling
political regime and its
illegitimacy. During the trial, prosecution witnesses
en masse
retracted the testimony that had been
obtained by FSB investigators through coercive methods
of Russia. After witness
Vasilyev spoke about torture, representatives were
barred from entering the courtroom
for members of the media. Journalists
were allowed into the proceedings only at the stage
of closing arguments and the pronouncement of the verdict. In
it, Kvachkov substantiated his thesis that
The people have the right to revolt. This
thesis is not original. This
principle is enshrined in the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights. In its verdict
in Kvachkov's case, the Moscow City Court stated
that the highest form of self-determination
of the Russian people is the right
to participate in a referendum, calling the reference
by KChKO to the direct text of the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights unlawful and contrary
to the Constitution of the Russian Federation,
describing it as a political program.
To charge a person under Article 279, it must
be established which specific
actions aimed at the violent
overthrow or alteration of the constitutional
order were committed by the accused. At present
Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov
is a political prisoner, because
he was convicted under Article 279 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
The wording of this article refers to
actions aimed at the violent overthrow and
alteration of the existing constitutional
order of the Russian Federation. Despite the fact
that Kvachkov in fact did not
have the ability to overturn the political
regime, but actively criticized it,
the existing
punitive law-enforcement system
considered him dangerous. In relation to him there was
a criminal case opened and
Colonel Kvachkov, retired military intelligence officer, was sentenced
to 13 years, which given his advanced
age is effectively equivalent to a life
sentence. The Coordinating Council of
the Opposition calls on
the Russian and international
public to pay special attention
to the case of Colonel Kvachkov and his
associates and will seek
the restoration of legality and justice
for those wrongfully convicted.
This resolution was considered at
a meeting of the human rights group
in the presence of Chirikova and Kaskharov. A quorum
was present, and, well, five people; I was
instructed to correct the technical
things there, yes, that is, well, just
to place the commas, which I, in fact,
did; the text remained unchanged. But now
at this moment
Sakhn has proposed inserting
the final, uh, final... Yes, all right.
Yes. So, uh, therefore I want to tell you, uh,
only one thing: no matter how anyone may feel
about Colonel Kvachkov, yes, I
also have quite a lot of
political disagreements here, but to pass
by this case of arbitrariness, when
a person is in effect being sentenced to
death, because it is clear that with
our maximum-security prisons, after 13 years
Vladimir Vasilyevich, if he comes out at all,
will only come out to the cemetery, yes, and he is 65 years old.
Therefore I would like to propose
that the Coordinating Council of the Opposition, uh,
support this resolution, and thereby
show that we
defend all political prisoners,
regardless of their political
views. Thank you.
Sergei Davidi.
Esteemed colleagues, then I, excuse me, I
was mistaken: there really were five people
present at the meeting. However,
uh, there are, uh, a number of
comments on the proposed resolution. Uh,
first, uh, one way or another, it
was essentially drafted by the lawyer
of the respected Kvachkov, given that
it is still clear that this person is
controversial,
and attitudes toward his political views and
activities vary greatly in society.
We must approach very carefully
all statements concerning
the violations, uh, that took place in
relation to him; they unquestionably did occur. And
to rely only on the lawyer's position
would not be entirely correct. In this
connection, it would be entirely natural, uh,
to compare these positions with the actual
text of the verdict and determine these
violations from it. But despite
the request that was sent in advance
to the respected author, uh, the text
was sent only yesterday evening.
Naturally, there was no opportunity to carry out this
work overnight.
To eliminate all these shortcomings at a
plenary session, I believe, is
impossible.
Alexei Sakhne.
Yes, colleagues,
I am precisely one of those people who
cannot be suspected of any political
closeness to Colonel Kvachkov. And yet
nevertheless, of course, I cannot but acknowledge
that the case against Kvachkov is politically
motivated. It is political
reprisal. It seems to me that the main
difficulty with this resolution lies
in the fact that, having identified
the presence of political motivation in
the case, we should not take responsibility
for what are, in my view, the odious
views of Mr. Kvachkov himself.
Therefore there is a proposal, first:
to set out the final paragraph in
the following wording: "Without sharing the views
and beliefs of Colonel Kvachkov, the CCO
recognizes him as a political prisoner, since
he was convicted under the article," and so on. I
think such an amendment would remove, would remove
this misunderstanding, and we would then
for example not have to explain to our activists
why we are
supporting an obvious anti-Semite and
that of an extreme nationalist there. Conduct,
until we have adopted it as a basis.
I believe that with such an amendment, if
there is, so to speak, the consent of the authors
of the resolution and of the country that
is putting it forward, it can be adopted as a basis and
those additional amendments can be introduced that
colleague Davidis spoke about.
Yes, I agree. The amendment, yes,
concerns conduct, Maksim?
Yes, conduct. I would like to draw your attention,
Mr. Chair, to the fact that discussion
of amendments can take place only after
a decision has been made to adopt it as a basis. And so that we do not
waste time, if discussion of amendments
begins, I suggest that you
well, point out to the speaker
that this is not the time for that, and
continue the discussion on the current
matter. Gennadykov.
Yes, dear colleagues, Dmitry Gudkov and I
will now be forced
to leave. We came here specifically to
show that we are with you, to show all
of our progressive public. Well,
I would like to say the following now.
Thank you. Thank you. Right. And I would like
to speak to the substance of the matter: Alexei
Navalny did not support me in vain
back then on the idea of forming some kind of
committee that would coordinate the work
before the council. We do need to adopt a resolution,
but not one like this. This
should be a memorandum. It should be
a memorandum, some kind of conclusion by some
commission of ours or, perhaps,
a lawyer. And what we can and
should have adopted is a resolution stating that
we condemn excessive harshness, that we
consider the evidence presented, in
general, by and large,
unconvincing. Of course, we are sending
a colonel to certain death, whatever
his views may have been, however much we
agreed with him or not. And that is the kind of
thing we need, at the very least, at minimum
we need an editorial group that
would prepare such resolutions. We cannot
take responsibility for the details
of the case, for certain specific facts there
of the evidence presented, the evidence rejected.
But our political
position should, in some part,
be one that really speaks precisely
to that, but would not take upon itself
responsibility for everything that,
say, precedes it there in
the last paragraph. Dear comrades, I have
a very earnest request and proposal
to consider the possibility of creating such a
group or some body that would
prepare for the organizing council, for
meetings precisely in this kind of framework for
resolutions. Because if we drag this out
now, adopt it as a basis, then
amendments—we are not adopting a bill
here; we must respond quickly and efficiently
to the political situation, but
in this form—please understand me correctly
and believe me—it cannot be adopted in this
form. We need to do something about this,
because there should be a decision there that
the Coordinating Council, add
a minute, heard it, discussed it there,
resolved to take note of it, taking into account
that certain arguments there are convincing,
certain others unconvincing, such-and-such a
position correct, such-and-such a
position incorrect. The investigation acted, acted
in this way or that; or, say, there are clearly visible
signs of commissioned actions by the investigation,
and clear indications there of some kind of provocation.
And the very conclusion there, so to speak, uh,
or rather, the sentence handed to Kvachkov, of course,
is excessively harsh and does not reflect
the danger of the act there, or the absence
of danger in what was done. That is what should have been
written. And we need to prepare that. I would
first of all like to support what
was just said by colleague Kov
regarding the document. A document may
contain some substantive
part describing what happened, but
the main part is, of course, our
attitude toward those actions,
that were carried out; in the proposed
document, this is literally addressed only in the
last sentence of the last paragraph.
Of course, the proportions should be different.
That is the first point. The second is much
more important, because I have heard from
several members of the Coordinating Council already
about the need for the Coordinating Council to express
our
attitude toward the views or opinions of anyone
whatsoever. But the Coordinating Council, in
principle, cannot express its
attitude toward anyone’s views,
just as neither a
political body nor a legal body can do so.
If we have any right—and such a right,
at least, we are trying to assume—
it is the right to speak regarding
actions: the actions of the authorities, the actions
of individual people. And every person has
the right to hold whatever views he holds,
even if we absolutely do not
agree with them, as is also the case for me with
regard, for example,
to the person we are discussing now. But it is not
our business, therefore, to express our
opinion regarding those views. And the
proposal,
that has just been voiced by a whole
number of members of the Coordinating Council,
is extremely dangerous. And
historical experience shows that as soon as
people begin determining which
which views are correct and which
views are incorrect, then in that way
we begin to adopt a totalitarian
approach to determining which
views alone receive
support. This is a very dangerous path.
Therefore, the general proposal is
to revise this document,
which now, of course, looks
much better than the previous
documents on changing the proportion
between the descriptive part and the operative part, and in
any case avoid any assessments
of views and opinions, both now and in any
future resolutions. Indirectly
the previous speaker stole
half my bread from me, because I was just about to
say a simple thing. Indeed,
as soon as the KS begins to talk at length
about which views are
acceptable and which are unacceptable, we
will quite quickly fall out precisely on
that basis. Here we need to stand on a purely
human rights position, it seems to me, and
judge only whether the actions of the authorities are lawful
or unlawful.
However, I admit that sometimes
we encounter situations where we
are defending a person whose views are
quite alien to a large number of
people. And, for example, to be honest,
much of what Klochkov says there
doesn't resonate with me either. However, one could probably
make amendments along the lines of, regardless
of one's attitude toward the views of this or that
person. That is, without saying
that they are right or wrong, but
instead placing ourselves outside his political
position. I think this would in no way
harm our objectivity. Now,
I can say only one thing. This
document is, in my
view, fairly neutral and
deserves to be taken as the
basis and refined in committee. It seems to me
that this is the only correct
path. Thank you for your attention. Let's proceed.
I would also like to speak. I
managed to read this draft, despite
the fact that it was sent out yesterday. And
indeed, my experience dealing with
law enforcement agencies suggests that
in this case, torture was indeed
used. And from the way they
deny this in the reasoning section of the verdict,
it is clear that torture did take place.
Therefore, this case is, of course,
politically motivated. Therefore, I
believe that despite the fact that Klochkov's views
probably contradict mine the most here,
I propose that
the resolution can be adopted as a basis
and, accordingly, all the amendments that
need to be made
will be formulated and put to a second vote. And
I propose adopting as a basis the resolution
by Pochkov. Who is in favor?
19 votes. The motion did not pass.
Do you propose moving on to the next item?
20 votes, even taking Gazaryan into account, in any
case there are not twenty.
Let's take a break. What? Yes.
Let's hear the report of the budget
committee and then take a break.
Again,
perhaps once more
it can be brought back for reconsideration.
The decision is adopted.
Colleagues, all right, let's take a 10-
minute break. Understood.
While everyone is dispersing here and saying goodbye,
then we'll come back and continue.
He stepped out.
Where is he? Press it.
Here, look,
you removed it. Yes, this too.
Well, that's a damaged package. You see, they
are standing there. And they
I see.
Colleagues, I propose we begin our
meeting.
Dear colleagues,
the budget committee presents for your consideration
three reports. The first is the
traditional one on members' contributions. At present
we have a balance of around 300,000. Before
the meeting, I also received contributions
from the Debt group and from Adagamov
of 15,000 each.
And in terms of expenses for this previous
meeting, that balance
will apparently decrease by about 200,000.
Again, if there are any
inaccuracies, there are two reports. These are statements
for the accounts opened by Olga Romanova
specifically for the KS in Sberbank and
a Yandex wallet.
In the correspondence among KS members in recent days
there were questions. There is a small flow
of donations from non-KS members. All these
figures are contained in these reports. In
principle, the system is working. I think
there is no need to change anything in that respect.
Does anyone have any questions?
Your conduct,
yes?
I simply want to ask all colleagues
while we are all still here,
to please sign the statement that we
have just unanimously adopted and approved.
During the break, everyone was given the fourth
fourth page
of this statement. Please put on it
uh,
your initials,
surname, signature, and date.
Everyone
was additionally given a sheet.
conduct as well. Well, I would like to draw your
attention to the fact that this was a statement not
about conduct, but on another item on the agenda
for the day. And I still suggest we return to
considering the budget issue, take
note of it, and then we can
come back to considering
this issue. But not like this.
Come on. Right now we have 23
people standing. Yes,
those who, based on the information
that was handed out, and who managed to
read it, can on the first page
write their surname, patronymic, and home
address. Yes, this is necessary for
submitting the application. On the last page
write your surname, first name, patronymic, and the date,
then sign it.
Is that all correct? Yes.
Yes, that's all correct. Yes, on the first page
it was handed out earlier and is located at the bottom of
the materials that were distributed
for the meeting.
Can't hear anything.
I repeat once again, everyone has a statement
to the Investigative Committee.
In order for it to launch the procedure,
those of you who have had time to
review it, and who have enough information
to make a decision, need to write
your surname, first name, patronymic, and home
address on the first page. And
in addition, everyone was given one more
sheet, which is the final page of
this statement. There you should write your surname,
first name, patronymic, add your signature and the date.
digit
that is, well, those who are ready to do this now
should do so.
Accordingly, Nikolai Bondarik arrived,
we have taken the budget under advisement, if
there are, yes, that is, the budget committee
has reported on the money that was collected in cash
by members of the Coordination Council and has not
reported on the money that
comes in cashlessly to the Yandex wallet and to
the account at Sberbank. And the only
question—once the answer is given, the issue is
completely settled.
And the wallet—apparently Olga's wallet—
Romanova's wallet at the rally and the open collection
on December 18, 2011, has nothing to do with the Coordination Council
of the opposition.
For example, money was collected into that wallet
for the event in 2013
which was organized and held by
civic activists.
Friends, yes, here I want to immediately express
my gratitude to Olga Kordovsova and Igor
Chekasov, activists from St. Petersburg,
who contributed their, so to speak,
intellectual effort. So, in response
to the authorities' actions, I propose a plan
of concrete measures aimed
directly and specifically at fighting
the regime. We need to understand that for Politburo 2.0
our country is a source of personal
enrichment. Everything not directly connected
with exporting raw materials and
servicing the elite, they view as
non-core assets subject to
disposal. We need to understand that the authorities
keep public-sector workers at the minimum level, below which
mass unrest would begin again.
That minimum will not be lowered,
because the authorities are interested in
stability. What will be reduced is the amount of
profit that Politburo 2.0
extracts from the occupied country.
Most importantly, this is a moral choice
for every citizen. It declares: "We do not
feed Putin. In war, every small
battle brings a great victory closer. Every one of our
seemingly small steps, just like
a small battle. These points do not require
sacrifices or hardship from our fellow citizens.
On the contrary, they help them preserve their
money, health, time, and energy. Boycott and
profit. So, first, it is proposed to
boycott Sberbank, VTB, and other
banks under direct
state control. A boycott of
Alfa-Bank as belonging to member of
Politburo 2.0, Fridman; mass
simultaneous closure of accounts and
bank cards, as well as mass
simultaneous non-payment by citizens of
motor vehicle taxes. Specific safety guidance is available
on the website of the Federation
of Russian Car Owners and on other
resources. From this point, for now, I have
excluded, that is, non-payment of other
taxes, because here, naturally,
legal consultation is needed.
will want to come to this Olympics
and be fleeced once again; yes, everyone knows
what the level of service is, and the level of service
in Sochi, yes, so I propose that
people simply not take part in this during that period.
Not participate in anything.
Again, again, a boycott is
fun, a boycott is effective, yes,
a boycott is completely safe, yes. We
simply do not go there. We watch
sports for free there, I don't know, at home
on television. And further, yes, from this
point, in coordination with Okhneny, I
removed the point about, well, ethnic
groups, because that caused them
serious irritation. Well, that is
not the main thing. The main thing is a boycott of this
Olympics. And we will not give our children
to Putin. Here is the fifth point: a boycott
of military conscription. Since Putin generously
grants Russian citizenship to all residents
of Central Asia and the South Caucasus, then let him
recruit there people who like scrubbing toilets
with toothbrushes and building imperial
Those who want to acquire military
skills can enlist for contract
service. Another point is promoting the purchase
of goods online from abroad.
We save money, paying for the same product
one and a half to two times less. So,
accordingly, we are, in a sense, undermining
the economic efficiency of this
state machine. Right. And the seventh
point, again, is that we do not pay Putin VAT and
taxes. And the eleventh point, I foresee, will
perhaps cause some
disagreements here, but nevertheless, the base in
Ulyanovsk. I believe it is beneath the dignity of
a great power to have on its
territory a base belonging to a military bloc of which it
is not a member. We are not in NATO,
therefore we should not have
NATO bases on our territory. We do not
help the United States in the genocide of Afghans. We do not
want to participate, even indirectly, in someone else’s
war. We do not want to provide our
territory for drug trafficking.
The Opposition Coordination Council demands
the withdrawal of the NATO base from Ulyanovsk. That is the kind of
point I propose we discuss as well. Although
I foresee some objections, I can
say that at least citizens,
our compatriots, will see that we are, in
general, not grant-suckers, yes, and we are
not grant-eaters. We are people, we are Russians, we are
citizens of this country, interested first and foremost
in our own country, not in whether
someone in the West likes us or
doesn’t. Frankly, I do not care whether I am liked
in the West or not. What matters is that
we are liked here, by our
voters, by our people. And
no mechanisms have been proposed for their
actual implementation. Well, there are points
that cause confusion there, such as
the boycott of migrants and their market stalls.
For my part, I proposed
focusing on the last point,
which, it seems to me, lies
within the realm of reality. To try
to organize the existing
protest activists horizontally in at least
two or three major cities—we really
can do that. And we, as the Left Front, have
tried to work on this. And some success
was even achieved, relatively speaking, along
this path. If the Coordination Council, with its
media and other resources,
joined in, it would be a very
big step. Everything else, it seems to me,
is just wishful thinking and simply,
should be taken under advisement and not discussed until
a proposal is made regarding the method of
implementation. Thank you.
One speech in defense of this
resolution.
Ah, Ilya, by the way,
dear colleagues, I, uh, want to draw
your attention to the fact that we all interact
with people. Apart from
our Coordination Council, each of us has
broad horizontal networks of
communication. I can assure you of that. Wait,
do not interrupt. I did not interrupt you.
Of all the points that
of all
I call the members to order, please do not
speak out in
what kind of educational institution did you even study at
microphone.
I want to draw attention to one point
from the rather long list that was
mentioned.
It is a hunger strike in support of political
prisoners. You can joke about it. Fine.
About who fasted for how long. I can tell
those present that I, for example, once
in Lefortovo (a Moscow prison) went on hunger strike for 12 days, three
of them without water. I am ready to do it again.
The rules of procedure contain Article 45 on absentee
voting. In it there is a final,
there is no text of the rules right now. There is
a final sentence, which reads
as follows: After approval
of the final version of the Coordination Council’s rules of procedure,
absentee voting may not be used for
questions concerning amendments to the rules of procedure
of the Coordination Council. Accordingly, the ambiguity arose
because of the word “final.” And
indeed, any issue can be discussed
only if that
issue is on the agenda; this one is not.
Second, when an issue is on the agenda
and we have voted to consider it, after that
the procedure described in
the rules is followed: the presenter speaks, then
the question is: “You can do this yourself, or
someone from the council, someone else, can
speak with a different opinion on the matter;
time limits may be announced, after which
the vote takes place.”
I propose removing this issue from
consideration as unprepared.
Thank you. On personal motions.
Which issue? Yours.
Yours.
And what exactly here is unprepared?
It is not on the agenda. That is the issue. I know what
this is about, so I ask for
review.
order, please. Colleagues, may I? We
spend a lot of time every time on
electing the chair. If we elect one,
and vest him with authority, then let
him conduct the meeting himself and put forward, if he
has the right to put even some
exotic questions to an advisory
vote, to an advisory vote
for consideration before the session. Thank you.
Then we will not need, as many
are calling for, to expel hecklers and
to burn out this, as it were, with a hot iron.
A great many worthy people were left out.
People who did not get through, perhaps
because of the meme-makers or something else, but they
did not make it. In this way, we would simply
bring them into the work, at least with the right
to an advisory vote. And at most, we would
expand representation, and that would be better
for all of us. Thank you.
Konstantin Grov,
I support this proposal both for the
reasons that have already been stated, and
for the following one as well. We all understand perfectly well
that the first composition of the Coordinating Council, uh, was, in
general, to a significant extent, if I may
use the word, accidental.
First of all,
granting decisive voting powers
to members—that is, candidates for the
Coordinating Council who were not elected
in the election does not correspond either to the spirit or
to the meaning of it. I revised it, taking into account the wishes
of our respected colleagues, both the wording and
the substance, so that
it would be broader, so to speak,
and the specialized group's freedom of action would be
greater than had been envisaged by the previous
version. Uh, what we are talking about is this:
yes, yesterday there was a meeting of some of the
participants in the information policy
group, consisting of Mr. Parkhomenko,
Bondarik, uh,
Detko,
and me, and accordingly we
all agreed on the need, uh,
to support such an initiative
to create this, uh, beginning of work on
this material. You may call it
the main one, or you may not—that is
not important—which would answer
the key questions of wavering citizens
who, judging by the polls,
are already disappointed in the regime, do not trust it,
and do not see it as representing their
interests. And one more issue that we
discussed concerned, uh, preparations
for protest actions, yes, and as the
information group we considered
what forms of campaigning could
be used there. And one of the methods
that had not previously been used, yes,
is a kind of visual presence on
the street. That is, in almost any European
city, you immediately see that politics
is present there, because you can see many
political posters. In Russia, this
does not exist. And not only because our
country is different, but because major resources
are thrown into suppressing it.
The allotted meeting time is 4 hours.
If, uh, we want to extend the meeting by
another hour, then we need
to hold a vote on that. Right now it is exactly
4 hours since we began the meeting
here. Well, without the chair, our
meeting started at 12:25. Let us
I think wrap up within another 10 minutes
with what remains.
There are still formal issues left, of course,
right? And
accordingly, who wants to speak on
the resolution? Ilya Konstantinov.
Dear colleagues, this is a very serious
matter. Let us not really
turn it into a parody. I propose
that we instruct the working group on preparing,
so to speak, protest actions
to examine the possibility
of preparing and carrying out a serious
solidarity hunger strike, if that is
possible. This needs to be carefully
prepared for; let us assign it to the working group,
and at the next meeting let them
report to us, so to speak, on how
feasible this idea is. Thank you.
Accordingly, this resolution
is put to a vote. Who is in favor of its
adoption? In Konstantinov's form, or in that form.
It seems to me that the candidacy proposed
by our colleague Yelfond solves this problem
and is, in my opinion, a worthy one.
Our colleague is one of the most
active members of the Coordinating Council.
Only today, for some reason, he is not
taking part. But in general he is quite
active, so it is a good
candidate, and it seems to me that we could
support him.
Well,
regarding the fact that you do not—why do you not
want to listen to the person who, who
invited her? Please explain.
So, you may turn off the microphone
as much as you like. Your empty seats,
which remain empty—you yourselves will turn into
nobodies.
Thank you.
Last question. Is there anything under miscellaneous
that could be discussed?
You
Oh, you
the question of the executive secretary,
which Anton introduced.
And what exactly is the proposal?
Dear colleagues, dear colleagues, I
would still
ask you to pay attention to the fact that
a vote of this kind
should not be included.
All right, all right, if you will allow us your
microphone
we will work through this issue; if Andrei
Nikolaevich is right, then the relevant
questions are not
No, wait, what do you mean by 'work through it'?
A moment ago you said quite definitely that in any case
people have already left by now. Let us
close the meeting and
no one has checked it with you, as far as it
is correct. Maybe Maxim Kas has
a different point of view. I'm tired.
That's it, the session is now closed.
Thank you to everyone who
I ask everyone for a statement.
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