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We need to run over there.

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Understood.

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Colleagues, you have a quorum of 27 people. And

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we are opening the session.

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The first item concerns the agenda.

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Let's

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vote on whether we adopt the agenda,

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which has just been distributed, as the basis.

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I would like to propose right away, on my own behalf,

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that items 5 and 12 could be combined here,

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which concerns the budget committee. And

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in the supplementary materials these items

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have already been combined.

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Yes, agreed.

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Yes. We adopt it as the basis. Yes. Is there

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anyone who is against?

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Amendments. Amendments. More addi- more

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are possible.

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Well, excuse me, I asked the executive secretary

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to add to the agenda the issue

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of executive secretaries. Well, in that

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wording it is not here. I ask that it be

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included.

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Let's adopt it as the basis first, and then introduce

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all proposals.

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It was requested after the agenda had already been sent out to everyone

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for the meeting. Thus, at this moment

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you can introduce it and put it to

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a vote.

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So, does anyone have proposals regarding

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issues that are not reflected here

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in the agenda, or proposals

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as to whether perhaps some

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issues that we have already

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considered repeatedly at meetings of the

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Coordination Council, should perhaps be removed and postponed

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to Demography 2. And to put

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the issue to a vote for consideration

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as the third item on the agenda, and in view

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of the particular importance of the issue of adopting

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a resolution and statement by the Investigative Committee

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regarding the authorities of the city of Moscow

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concerning the events of May 6. And this resolution

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and statement were distributed yesterday to all

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members and executive secretaries.

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Look, it also wasn't possible to include it in the agenda

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in time, because, well,

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the issue was sent in.

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Are we adopting this decision, then?

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Let's make it the fourth item.

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Let's make it third.

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Let's make it third.

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Understood. The third item, then, is the issue concerning

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the statement by the Investigative Committee. Uh,

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Andrey Varov.

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I already raised this issue at the previous meeting.

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Items 4, 6, and in general

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I propose removing them, or moving them there?

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Well, I think it's a debatable issue. Let's

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put it to a vote. Is there anyone

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who wants to speak on this?

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Yes. First of all, regarding the resolution

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on Kvachkov. A new one, well, this new resolution,

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went through the human rights committee. We

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met, and the committee approved it.

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Then is the matter put to a vote, or

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does anyone else want to speak on this

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matter?

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So then, we vote afterward,

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that is, the motion reads as follows: we remove from

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the agenda the items numbered

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4, 6, and

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May I say one more thing?

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Yes.

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If I may speak, Nikolai, I

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urge you. I voted three times in favor of

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the issue of the resolution on Kvachkov. Three times

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I voted for it. But now I also

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support removing this issue from

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consideration, because it will not pass. And, well,

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there is no point in twisting everyone's arm

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any further. Are we really going to bring this up at every meeting of the Coordination Council

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? Let's do it at an

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absentee vote as much as you like, until you're blue in the face,

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but at an in-person meeting, it seems to me

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it's pointless. And, well, it's like an Italian

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strike. You had three issues of your own,

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which we did not adopt, and you brought them up

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a second time, a third time. But

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next time it will be a fourth time, a

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fifth time; that, it seems to me, is the wrong

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tactic. They still will not pass,

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so I urge you to withdraw them yourself

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please. Well, thank you for the appeal, but

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nevertheless, I believe that this

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issue should remain, because

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I emphasize once again, the resolution on

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Kvachkov is new wording, drafted by

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lawyer Mikhalkov; all of this

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took place at the group's meeting. The group

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met in the human rights

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committee, and the group approved this resolution.

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Therefore, of course, it should remain

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on the agenda and be discussed. Also,

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let's say, yesterday there was this meeting of the group

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on IT, well, the information

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group, yes, and, say, the issue of

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creating an official page and group

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on VKontakte (a Russian social network) and other social networks. It

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was discussed; true, there was no quorum, but

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as I understood it, everyone agreed that

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yes, this really does need

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to be done, so I also insisted

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that all these issues can be

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discussed. Thank you.

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So, we are putting this matter to a vote. I

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only have one question as the chair

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regarding procedure. So this is

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a procedural matter, right?

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All right. Putting it to a vote. Who is in favor

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of excluding these items from

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the agenda?

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468

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468.

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Accordingly, the motion did not pass. These

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items remain on the agenda. Who has

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What other additions are there to the agenda?

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Sergei,

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I propose removing item thirteen from

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the agenda because discussing it is obviously pointless

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in principle.

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Akimi, do you have any objections?

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Dvoy proposes removing the item from the agenda

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.

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All right. Let's put it to a vote.

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I also want to speak. First of all, the question

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of the Coordination Council's symbols is not

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unworthy of discussion, because we

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don't have any symbols. We need to decide whether

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we need them or not. If we do, then what should they be? Yes,

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that's the first point. Second, Polcha's question

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about registering

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a trademark before our opponents do,

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right? I remember it was proposed before, wasn't it?

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So right now I think the issue is quite

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serious; there is a lot to say, and

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we do have something to express. I think

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this could drag on for 10 hours, right? The issue

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is serious; the Coordination Council

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of the Russian opposition is an important matter.

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What are you talking about? What is

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behind your wish to remove

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this item? Is it no longer relevant, or

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what?

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Yes. By the pointlessness of discussing this

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issue.

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That's what you think? I also propose...

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Let's not start a debate right now.

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Andrei,

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dear colleagues, on this issue we

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have, as you know, had

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a certain exchange of views in correspondence,

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which showed that discussing this

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issue in person is necessary.

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Uh, the results of this discussion,

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naturally, cannot be predicted.

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Although I have an idea of what

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they might be, the very fact of this exchange

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of opinions shows that this issue

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deserves discussion.

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Sergei,

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I would like to draw attention to the fact that this

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item on the agenda is worded

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as follows: the issue of the CC's symbols, then

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speaker Polcha — all of that together

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forms some kind of package. This

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seems absolutely impossible to me.

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Mr. Polchvik demonstrated in the correspondence that

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he is handling this issue in a purely

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humorous — I would even say

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fantastical — vein. This kind of

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discussion is undoubtedly inappropriate here at this serious

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meeting, because

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we must not, uh, allow the possibility

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of turning this into a farce. Therefore I

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urge that this issue not be considered

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in this form, and that we, uh, find a speaker

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capable of discussing this

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issue seriously, if such a willing person

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can indeed be found. Thank you. Ah,

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all right. Let's put the matter to a vote.

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Who is in favor of removing item thirteen

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from the agenda? Let's vote.

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The motion is carried.

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Ah, now we put to a vote the adoption of

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the agenda as a whole.

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One second, excuse me. As a whole?

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What about my

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At some point you already said we should vote

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on it,

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right? Fine. No, I am against

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putting it to a vote at all, because I

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submitted it in advance. And in accordance with

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the rules, if you are referring to them, respected

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secretary, no later than

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3 days in advance you were obliged to circulate it. That is,

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the last day was the day before yesterday, if I

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remember correctly, and you sent this item out at

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8:00 p.m. yesterday. What is going on here?

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Just note that the last day

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when you were supposed to circulate the agenda

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was the day before yesterday. You sent it yesterday,

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so this is all happening late.

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What is going on? Yes, indeed.

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Ah, all right. We put to a vote the question

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of including on the agenda the issue of

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the secretary's responsibility.

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Ah, well, let's vote then.

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Who is in favor of putting the issue of the

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executive secretary on the agenda

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for the meeting? Yes, why is it being put

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to a vote now? I didn't submit it just now, I

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submitted it in advance, and it should already be

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on this agenda. So now you are

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removing this item. Why? I am not

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removing it. I do not want it

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to be voted on. I want it simply

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to be included.

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Let's vote. Listen, could

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the chair conduct the meeting, rather than you

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speaking from your seat?

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Well then, let's put it to

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a vote after all. It seems endless to me.

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Excuse me, please, since this

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issue concerns me, I will allow myself to give

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a clarification. The item was sent yesterday in

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the form of a proposed agenda addition yesterday at 7:00

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or 8:00 p.m., after the basic agenda

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had already been distributed to everyone.

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Mm-hmm. In that connection,

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I could not include it, just as

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for example Lyubov sent hers after

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we had already sent everything out. We included it

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now as an additional item. That is,

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it can be included; no one forbids that.

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I have a compromise option. I saw

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yesterday that it really was circulated

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in the evening, but there is still no draft resolution

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at all. Let's consider it under 'Miscellaneous'

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instead. Here everything

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has already been removed. Understood.

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There is still no draft resolution. If there were

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a draft resolution, I would be in favor of

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was on the agenda. No decision has been made; it can be postponed

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Is anyone opposed?

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Let’s vote to adopt

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the agenda as a whole today.

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Who is in favor of adopting the agenda for

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a vote as a whole?

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The motion is carried. We move on to

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considering the items. The first item is

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the issue of holding spring protest

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actions. The speaker is Tsarkov.

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Dear colleagues,

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the working group on organizing

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protest actions has met repeatedly

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to discuss the upcoming events.

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We are now ready to present the program

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of actions for the upcoming period, the main

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event of which will be the rally

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marking the anniversary of the events on Bolotnaya Square (site of the 2012 protest in Moscow).

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Let me tell you about the program we have developed

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step by step.

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Uh, the first event that we

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propose

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to include in this program is, um, the International

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Day of Joint Action for the Release of

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Russian political prisoners. On April 6, at

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a meeting of our working group,

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representatives of various

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public organizations were present, including

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the May 6 Committee. Therefore, we decided

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to join forces and hold in

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central Moscow on April 6 an action in support of

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political prisoners.

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Naturally, at this action, uh, the issue of

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the May 6 prisoners will be the main focus.

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We, uh, plan to organize a collection of

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letters that anyone who wishes can

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write. We will pass them on to the guys

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being held in pretrial detention centers. And, of course, anyone

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who wishes can donate money to support

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them.

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Also, uh, we are organizing

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a photo exhibition dedicated to the events on

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Bolotnaya. Uh, we are working on the script for

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a small performance. If it turns out

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to be interesting enough, we will

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stage it, and there will be a small

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theatrical presentation on

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the corresponding theme of

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support for the Bolotnaya prisoners.

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Uh, I think that

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tentatively, the venue for holding

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this event, well, of course depends

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on many factors, but we will

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try to secure approval for one of the central

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sites in Moscow, possibly

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Pushkin Square or Novopushkinsky

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Square. I suggest that for now

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we not lock this down, that is,

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regarding the venue of the event and

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the time as well not

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define them too precisely, because this is

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a Saturday, most likely around midday. That

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is, in the course of negotiations with the executive

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authorities, we will resolve these issues in working order

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as we go. The main thing is to enter into the calendar of

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events this first action, which

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will open

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this protest period leading up to May 6,

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dedicated to supporting political prisoners

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on April 6.

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Next,

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from April 7 to 30, uh, we want to dedicate each

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of those days to

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supporting a particular person

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being prosecuted in the Bolotnaya case. That is,

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one day will be dedicated to Sergei Krivov,

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another day to Ilya Glushchin,

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Nikolai Kavkazsky, and so on—to all

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the people being prosecuted in the Bolotnaya

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case. It does not matter whether that person is

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in pretrial detention, under house arrest, under

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travel restrictions, or

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forced into political emigration. We already have

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one person convicted in this case. We

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will dedicate each day

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to one person.

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On those days, we would like to make every

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effort to

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spread information

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about the specifics of the case, about outrageous episodes

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that remain unproven, about the

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fabricated evidence in the case, about

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false testimony by police officers,

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that is, overall to draw attention to

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the cases in which these guys are being convicted.

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In addition,

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of course, we will also cover

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the situation the person is facing

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in connection with being held in pretrial detention, that is,

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the conditions of confinement.

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Of course, we

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the family situation

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will also be able to show. That is, we will

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speak each day about one

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specific

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person being persecuted by the authorities.

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In addition, the working group on

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organizing the protest action is appealing to

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well-known politicians and public

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figures, primarily those who are members of the

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Opposition Coordination Council.

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with a proposal to take part

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in these days of support for the May 6

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prisoners. It will be necessary to choose

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a convenient day for you in April that

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you can devote entirely

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to supporting a particular person. You will need

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to record a video in which

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you talk about the situation with the investigation of the

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case and perhaps read out an appeal.

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And if we receive something from a person being held in

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pretrial detention, that is, to devote one

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of your days entirely to one

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of the May 6 prisoners. I think this is

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important. Uh, in many cases it would be

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appropriate to meet with parents

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and relatives. Also, Alexei has

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Polikhovich has a wedding planned in the pre-trial detention center (SIZO).

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I think people will, of course, want

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to come and offer their congratulations, so this will be

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a kind of street action as well.

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It seems to me that we’ve found a good

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balance between information campaigns

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and street activity.

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Campaign materials will be distributed,

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leaflets with information, naturally, about

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the upcoming main protest action on

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the anniversary of the events on Bolotnaya Square

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and information about the May 6 prisoners.

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Of course, this will be distributed

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um, near major metro stations, in

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places with the heaviest

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pedestrian traffic.

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Uh, before practically every major

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protest action, materials are handed out.

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This time we want

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to focus our efforts on this as well.

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So over the course of the week we will

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distribute

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materials, and we’ll be able to reach a large

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number of people. I think this will, on the whole,

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well, um, have some effect.

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So, in my view, it makes sense

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to run this kind of campaign from April 29

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through May 5.

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And the next event

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is planned—we have scheduled

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a round-the-clock solo picket on

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Manezhnaya Square from May 1 to May 5. There is

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a group of activists who approached us

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with this initiative,

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and we supported it. I,

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of course, understand that it will be quite difficult

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to stay on

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Manezhnaya Square for five days, but nevertheless such a

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picket will also attract attention; it will be

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useful. And May 1 through May 5 are holidays

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and days off. There will be many

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people out walking in central Moscow, in Alexander Garden,

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and on Manezhnaya Square, so this picket

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will be noticeable. Naturally, during the day

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materials will be handed out.

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So we supported

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this initiative and included it in the schedule

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of events.

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Now about the main spring protest action.

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protest.

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Let’s start with the date.

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During the discussion in our working group,

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we considered various possible dates

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for holding actions on the anniversary of the events

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at Bolotnaya. We looked at the period from April 27

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to May 12—practically every one of

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those days. I’m not going to give

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a characterization of each day right now. What is important

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to understand is that May 5 is Easter, which

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is preceded by Holy Week. In our view, it is not

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particularly appropriate to hold events

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on those days, and to hold

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the main protest action even earlier, at the

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end of April—for example, on April 27—

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which is a Saturday, would be far too early.

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That is, society still would not yet be talking

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about these events. It would be somewhat

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artificial.

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Even if we make every possible effort,

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it would still lead to the fact that

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slightly fewer people would come to the action. That is,

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in the information space we would not

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be able, uh, to conduct such a broad

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campaign. Of course, one could object that

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those who want to come will, of course, come, but

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it seems to me that we should still, uh,

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choose an acceptable date, the most

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suitable one, so that

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people could

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somehow combine attending our

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event with their own

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schedule. Therefore, in the end, after

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lengthy discussion, we came to the

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conclusion that the main spring protest action

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should take place

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on the exact day itself—that is, on May 6.

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Uh, it seems to me that this is the right

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decision.

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Uh,

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we will still have a discussion after

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my report, but nevertheless this was

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the unanimous decision of our working

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group.

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Now about the time.

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Since May 6 is a working day,

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if we want, uh,

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people

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to be able to get to the site of the action

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after work, then it should probably

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be held in the evening. That is reasonable. Holding it

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during the daytime would be worse.

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Therefore, we believe that on May 6

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the action should, uh, take place in the evening

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starting at 19:00, that is, with a 7:00 p.m. start.

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About the format.

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This will probably be the most debatable

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question, but nevertheless we also arrived at

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a unanimous opinion that

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this time, this event, the main

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event

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of the spring, should be held in the format of

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a rally without a march beforehand. I

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will try to explain why.

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First,

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unlike previous actions, this

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time we have a substantial substantive

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agenda. There is a great deal we need

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to tell people.

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Two minutes remain.

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Well, I won’t manage in two minutes—this is a report,

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so please hear me out.

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This is an important issue.

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There is a lot we need to tell people. And

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right now a public

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investigation into the events on Bolotnaya

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Square is underway. We need to tell people about its

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findings. We need to give

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the lawyers a chance to speak. We need to give

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the opportunity to speak

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to representatives, perhaps,

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to the relatives of people being held in pretrial detention centers (SIZO, remand prisons).

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This is an important issue. In other words, we effectively

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must, um, this time hold

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a full-fledged rally. It cannot be

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short; it has to be a full-fledged

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substantive, packed rally. In addition,

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in my view, we need to move away from

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certain standard formats. We have

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already used the combination of a march plus a rally four

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times last year, yes,

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it is a successful model, but nevertheless

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we need to introduce an element of novelty. For example,

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on January 13 we held a successful

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campaign, March Against Scoundrels. Uh, it

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was organized together with colleagues. In

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the course of preparing it, we received a great

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many different opinions saying that we should not

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hold marches. We needed

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to hold a mandatory rally at its

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conclusion. But nevertheless, we made

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the right decision at that moment.

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There was nothing to talk about. Everything that could be said

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had already been said.

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It was about children, about their fate. People

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came out, came out for an energetic march.

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And that was, by and large, the right

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decision. A rally would have been, well, probably,

23:09

superfluous at that moment. Now the situation is

23:11

different. Right now we have a great deal

23:13

to tell people. That is why the rally format

23:15

is appropriate. We also have to take into account

23:19

another circumstance: after

23:22

a march, 15-20%

23:24

of people do not make it to the rally. They

23:28

took part in the march, they expressed their

23:30

civic position

23:33

and then leave. In this case, five minutes are addi-

23:36

in this case. Thank you. In this

23:38

case, it seems to me that this point also

23:41

needs to be taken into account. And finally, if we

23:44

plan to hold this event on May 6

23:46

and plan to hold it in the evening,

23:50

the reason for that, as I said earlier, then

23:54

we, um, have only

23:58

a limited amount of time for it. That

24:00

is, if we start it at seven, then we

24:01

in accordance with Article 9 of the

24:04

Federal Law on assemblies,

24:07

rallies, uh,

24:10

demonstrations, marches, and picketing

24:13

No. 54-FZ, by the way, must

24:16

end it by 10:00 p.m. So we have 3

24:19

hours. That is enough time for a substantive

24:21

rally, but it is not enough time

24:23

to additionally hold, so to

24:26

speak, actions in other formats. Now

24:29

about the location of the event.

24:34

We believe that the event marking the anniversary of the events

24:36

on Bolotnaya Square should be

24:38

held on Bolotnaya Square. It is

24:42

symbolic.

24:43

Other venues are less

24:45

suitable, so, overall, it is

24:47

obvious that we should try

24:48

to obtain approval to hold this

24:50

event on Bolotnaya Square.

24:53

And we have an idea to organize a series

24:55

of one-person pickets.

24:58

that would line the route

25:01

people take from the nearest metro station to the square.

25:05

I think this is an interesting addition. So

25:07

combined with the rally, I think

25:10

it will be a good solution. Now about

25:13

the name. This is also a very important point.

25:16

During the month before the main protest action

25:19

on May 6, we will be taking to the

25:23

streets of cities

25:26

in support of political prisoners. We will

25:29

demand their release,

25:31

so the slogan “Freedom for political prisoners”

25:34

will be the most relevant and central one.

25:38

For the May 6 action, we propose a name

25:41

that includes this slogan

25:44

perhaps as its main element, but nevertheless

25:46

also allows us to formulate other

25:49

most important

25:51

political demands. We propose

25:54

approving the name For

25:57

Freedom for the May 6 action.

26:01

I think that now all we have left is

26:03

the outline, and so that a complete

26:04

picture somehow, uh, emerges, I will briefly

26:08

list all these events that

26:10

I spoke about above.

26:13

And then, probably, we will move on to

26:14

the discussion. So: April 6, the International

26:17

Day of Coordinated Action for the Release of

26:19

Russian political prisoners. An event on

26:22

one of the city's central squares,

26:23

tentatively Pushkin Square. From

26:26

April 7 to 30, days of support for those charged

26:29

in the Bolotnaya case, with the participation of

26:31

opposition leaders and well-known public

26:33

figures.

26:35

On Saturdays, April 13, 20, and 27. Walks with

26:38

white symbols in the city center, including

26:40

on Red Square.

26:42

From April 29 to May 5, distribution of

26:46

leaflets and campaign materials

26:48

with information about the May 6 action

26:52

near metro stations and in places

26:53

with the heaviest pedestrian traffic. From May 1 to

26:56

5, a round-the-clock one-person picket on

26:58

Manezhnaya Square. On May 6, chains

27:02

of one-person pickets from the metro station to

27:04

Bolotnaya Square. And the main protest

27:07

action: a rally on Bolotnaya Square from

27:10

7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. The name is For Freedom.

27:14

Thank you for your attention.

27:17

Sergei Parkhomenko has now signed up to

27:18

speak. Anyone who has questions for

27:20

the speaker, please sign up accordingly.

27:22

Now Sergei, for now.

27:26

Thank you very much.

27:28

I support everything that Pyotr, uh,

27:34

Tsarkov said. I just want to clarify some

27:36

the ideas that emerged there,

27:38

and their meaning. It seems to me that we

27:40

must be fully aware that with

27:43

these, um, our events,

27:46

dedicated to the anniversary of May 6, we must

27:50

reverse a very important, very

27:51

unpleasant trend that, unfortunately,

27:53

is characteristic of many of our fellow citizens.

27:55

They have short

27:58

and shallow memories, many of them do.

28:00

They forget quickly and easily.

28:02

Right now, 24 people, so to speak,

28:06

are being subjected, in various forms, to

28:08

repression. Most of them are simply

28:10

sitting in prison for many months. And people do not

28:13

remember this. They have thrown it out of

28:16

their minds to a large extent. And yes,

28:18

indeed, this may sound

28:22

tragic, but it takes a tremendous effort

28:24

to make them remember that

28:27

something very important is happening to them, and

28:30

that it concerns all of them. And for them, for

28:33

everyone, it will have consequences, because

28:35

this is about a collective, show-trial-style

28:38

political trial, the first in many

28:40

decades in Russia. We remember what

28:43

that looked like from Russian history.

28:45

Now we are going to see it again. I do not yet know

28:47

the exact dates, to be honest, when they

28:49

or how much longer they will drag out this

28:51

investigation, but sooner or later it

28:53

will happen.

28:55

And uh—

28:58

why hide it? I had already somehow

29:00

moved the phone away, but somehow it still

29:02

came through.

29:04

And that is why, essentially, it seems to me

29:08

that the key thing will be this

29:10

preliminary action, a long one,

29:14

a kind of long-distance run, which was mentioned by

29:16

Tsarkom Pod Rozgom: one person, one

29:19

day. And I have started talking with

29:21

various fairly well-known people,

29:24

um, journalists, writers, actors.

29:28

And the response is very good. People say:

29:30

"Yes, I will do it, I will take it on."

29:32

Let us

29:33

sorry. May I add

29:37

something else?

29:39

People say: "Yes, I will do it, give me

29:41

a person. Assign me anyone at all,

29:44

it makes no difference to me—pick whoever you want at random."

29:46

And I will do everything possible—I have simply

29:49

already had these conversations several times—

29:52

so that throughout the day people will be talking about that person."

29:54

That is where it all begins, with this

29:57

morning video. And then the person,

30:00

each individual person,

30:02

uses every opportunity that

30:04

they have. If there is somewhere to speak, they

30:06

speak. If someone is conducting an interview,

30:08

they give an interview. If there is somewhere

30:09

to write, they write. They go and stand in

30:12

a one-person picket outside the Investigative

30:14

Committee. They come up with everything they possibly

30:16

can; if they have a large audience, I do not know, on

30:18

social media or somewhere else, they

30:20

write there. They come up with everything

30:22

possible so that during

30:24

that day there is a lot of talk about that person,

30:27

so that people remember right now

30:28

who this is, what happened to them,

30:30

where they are now, and what

30:32

they are facing. I am sure that if we want to,

30:34

we will be able to find not just one person for

30:36

each of these twenty-four. We

30:37

will be able to find two or three as well. These are exactly the

30:41

people who should form the

30:44

core of our speakers on May 6. And that is precisely

30:48

why I believe it is absolutely right

30:50

that this should be a rally with a microphone

30:53

and with speeches. This is one of those cases when

30:55

there is a great deal to say and,

30:58

without a doubt, there are people to say it.

31:01

Thank you.

31:01

That is all. Yes,

31:02

well, perhaps there will be another opportunity.

31:04

For now.

31:05

Nikolai Bondarinno.

31:15

I pressed the button.

31:20

from below, the light.

31:23

It was on here. Maybe now

31:24

it will work.

31:26

Friends, naturally, everything that our colleague

31:28

Parkhomenko said is, of course, very

31:30

interesting, and naturally, we support all of it.

31:31

But it seems to me that we should not

31:33

forget the main

31:35

task altogether. This is a mass protest

31:37

event. Surely everyone has, probably,

31:38

read Sergei's appeal, yes, from Udaltsov.

31:41

So. And in fact, I already

31:43

believe—this is my principled position—that

31:45

reducing everything to just one rally

31:48

without a march, well, that is simply wrong,

31:50

yes. That is, as protest practice has shown,

31:52

people come out much more actively

31:55

and much more intensely specifically for

31:58

an action, for a march, that is, for

32:01

some kind of public action, right? A bare

32:03

rally will, by definition, draw

32:06

one and a half to two times fewer people than

32:07

a march would. Therefore, of course,

32:10

we have no right to give up the march,

32:11

I believe, right? So if we

32:13

do not settle this question now, then let us

32:15

at least adopt some kind of compromise

32:16

option, the one Sergei is proposing,

32:18

namely, at the very least, not to decide yet,

32:19

what exactly it will be, although I personally will

32:21

vote for a march, of course. That is my view.

32:23

And this is a very important question,

32:25

which simply cannot be ignored. I

32:27

believe that we need to hold a march.

32:29

A march, and a rally as well, of course.

32:32

Daniil Konstantinov,

32:34

representative of Daniil Konstantinov.

32:36

Dear colleagues,

32:38

I really like a number of the proposals, in

32:42

particular, the idea of dedicating a day to political prisoners

32:46

for them. It is a strong,

32:49

fresh, very good idea.

32:51

The only thing I would suggest we think about

32:54

a little is, uh, whether we really need

32:56

to limit ourselves only to the May 6 prisoners (those prosecuted over the Bolotnaya Square protest),

32:59

because what about our Leonid Razvozzhayev,

33:02

and what about our Daniil Konstantinov,

33:05

who are members, members

33:08

of the Coordination Council and of the group for

33:10

preparing protest actions? I really do not

33:13

understand.

33:14

The thing is that each and, probably,

33:17

probably, every person present here

33:20

has organized dozens, perhaps even hundreds

33:23

of protest actions in their life. Yes, and we

33:26

all know several things perfectly well.

33:30

First, on a Monday,

33:33

in the evening,

33:34

after work, that already sharply limits

33:38

the circle of participants in the action; no more than

33:42

half of our, so to speak,

33:45

maximum activist base will come. That is the first point. And

33:48

second,

33:50

a rally.

33:51

Fine, a rally, wonderful. Words are needed,

33:55

talk is needed. But please, believe me,

33:58

as someone who

34:01

has taken part since 1988

34:04

in all kinds of rallies. People come to

34:08

rallies today, and even yesterday, not in order

34:11

to listen to speakers. What is new there?

34:13

Speaker, add a minute.

34:17

Add what

34:18

a minute, add it. The speakers tell people nothing new.

34:21

Everyone knows; there is a list

34:26

of political prisoners, there will be placards with

34:29

them displayed. What we need, need is a march,

34:33

dynamic and energetic.

34:35

What is needed is not only a defensive but also

34:37

an offensive thrust. And I would also suggest

34:40

thinking about the march against the executioners, which

34:43

we somehow successfully, so to speak,

34:46

let drag on over the past month.

34:48

Why not combine these actions into

34:50

one? On the sixth, there absolutely must be a march

34:54

for sure. Thank you.

34:57

Alexei Sokhnen.

35:01

Actually, my colleagues have already taken part of

35:03

my thunder. I, of course, also wanted

35:05

to speak in support of the Sixth.

35:08

So I will be very brief. First,

35:11

dear friends, participants in protest

35:14

actions relate very differently to our

35:16

faces and to the arguments that

35:19

we repeat to them time after time. Therefore,

35:23

staging, so to speak, yet another

35:24

benefit performance for various political factions

35:27

is pointless. I would suggest, for

35:29

development,

35:31

that the protest actions group consider the following

35:33

idea: the rally should specifically not be

35:35

endlessly long. At it, there could be

35:38

very brief remarks by

35:40

representatives of the different groups of prisoners.

35:44

There are our prisoners there, there is

35:47

Daniil Konstantinov there, there are

35:50

they can probably be grouped somehow; 24

35:53

speakers would be far too many, but

35:55

perhaps 12 speakers. Very briefly.

35:58

Lawyers, relatives, close

36:01

comrades.

36:02

Ah, and of course, without a doubt, experience

36:05

shows that any march draws

36:08

more people than any rally. And not at all

36:10

because the people taking part in

36:12

a march can, so to speak,

36:14

only spare an hour and a half

36:16

for participation and then have to rush off somewhere.

36:18

Not at all. It is because a march as a format

36:21

offers far more opportunity for

36:23

participation than a rally as a format. All the more so

36:26

when it is a rally organized by such a broad

36:30

and multicolored, diverse coalition, in

36:33

which, as it were, not all participants

36:36

are equally appealing to everyone. Therefore, from

36:40

our side, we strongly insist

36:42

on a march after all, or at least

36:43

on not making a final decision for

36:45

now.

36:47

Thank you.

36:48

Gennady Konov

36:52

speaking. Hello. Hello.

36:56

Please give him the microphone. I ask that I be

36:59

given more time, because I

37:00

am involved in the work of this group. I,

37:02

in fact, came here specifically,

37:04

although I will soon be leaving, uh, Russia

37:07

for a short time. We came specifically

37:09

in order to discuss this issue. And

37:12

what is the problem here? Right now we are

37:14

repeating the working group's meeting.

37:16

Everyone starts putting forward some

37:18

normal, reasonable, at first glance,

37:20

ideas, but believe me, we have already

37:22

worked through, reworked, and talked through all of this.

37:25

And

37:26

a march is impossible on a Monday, because

37:28

it will be rush hour.

37:31

That means either holding it in the evening, and then

37:33

there will be the corresponding traffic,

37:35

well, maybe not quite as

37:37

heavy as on a normal working day.

37:39

It will still be between holidays, but

37:41

even so, a march is impossible; we will be

37:43

refused permission, and all of this will end in an

37:45

unauthorized action. That is the first point. I

37:47

would still like us, perhaps,

37:49

to discuss this once more in working order.

37:51

By the way, at the time we agreed

37:52

that a month was entirely

37:53

enough to prepare

37:55

a proper concert program, specifically

37:58

a politicized one, devoted, as it were,

38:00

so to speak, to the theme of a day for freedom.

38:02

Freedom is a broad concept. Therefore,

38:05

it seems to me that right now we are

38:06

we are needlessly doing what we have already done

38:08

in the working group. We are discussing new dates.

38:11

The twenty-seventh was discussed as well, correctly

38:12

as Pyotr said, the twelfth was discussed,

38:14

working days were discussed, and

38:16

the fifth, a day off, was discussed too, since it is Easter. And everything

38:19

was discussed, everything was worked through. We were unable

38:21

to propose a combination of a march and a rally, and

38:24

no one will dare accuse us of the fact that

38:26

the protest movement is fading away, that

38:28

the protest mood has burned out, and that

38:30

if we marginalize ourselves,

38:32

it will be unclear whom we represent. Therefore I

38:35

still propose that the proposal of our

38:37

working group, although I am not a member of it,

38:39

though I did take part,

38:41

be supported and refined, this scenario, so that

38:44

we can truly

38:45

hold a powerful mass event

38:48

showing that the protest mood

38:50

has not gone anywhere, that the protest has spread

38:52

deeper and wider, that it will undoubtedly

38:54

continue, as I can see now

38:57

from the prepared documents in the regions, and we

38:59

will support this.

39:01

As for the remaining details, I would suggest that our

39:03

working group refine them, and that those who would like

39:06

to join this group, those who wish

39:07

to take an active part in preparing

39:09

this extremely important

39:11

public and political event.

39:12

That is roughly it.

39:15

Colleagues, please keep your remarks shorter.

39:17

Pedrkov is next.

39:19

As for what was said about the idea that

39:22

a march in itself attracts more

39:24

people than a rally. That is, of course,

39:26

not true. We all know perfectly well that

39:28

the first rallies drew 100,000

39:30

people. They were not preceded by marches.

39:32

Let us simply, well, speak

39:34

the truth, yes. Right now, a march as a format

39:37

would rather be harmful on May 6, because

39:39

some people will not make it to the rally,

39:42

they will leave after the march. This is an objective

39:44

reality. We have encountered this before, and

39:46

it is very hard to dispute. And the energy

39:49

of the people who actually

39:52

take part in a march really

39:54

how to put it, well, creates a kind of drive

39:56

that appears. That is true. So this time let us

39:58

hold not an energetic march, but

40:00

an energetic rally. That, uh, can also

40:04

be done. We have a substantial

40:05

agenda. It seems to me that all the conditions,

40:08

given that it is May 6, in the evening, and

40:10

a working day, only allow us

40:12

to hold a rally. Let us simply, well,

40:14

not

40:16

fixate on a march. Next time

40:17

we will hold a march, but this time

40:19

let us hold a large, serious rally.

40:21

Thank you. Yevgeny Cherekova.

40:26

Colleagues, perhaps some kind of public

40:29

letter from cultural figures in support of

40:31

political prisoners? It seems to me that this

40:33

worked quite well at the time, with

40:35

the girls and Pussy Riot. And it seems to me

40:38

that this would be very

40:40

appropriate now as well. And I would discuss precisely

40:44

this kind of systematic work. Rally, march.

40:47

In general, I have always supported the idea of

40:49

marches, and I have even always supported

40:52

marches rather than rallies. But now

40:55

I urge everyone simply to act within

40:57

the framework of our own logic in the Coordination Council. We created

40:59

this group to organize the action. As I understand it,

41:00

it met five times. They discussed all

41:03

these issues thoroughly and in

41:06

full detail. Therefore I propose

41:08

that for now we take their

41:10

proposal as the basis.

41:11

And what we really need is simply

41:13

an energetic rally. It, well, should not

41:15

be a bit dull, the way ours

41:18

always end up being for objective

41:19

reasons. It is not that it is dull because

41:21

there is some villain making

41:23

rallies dull, but nevertheless ours

41:24

do turn out that way a little. So

41:26

therefore what we need rather is

41:27

to focus on having

41:29

the right, successful format, where people

41:31

who came to this rally do not

41:33

just fulfill their civic duty,

41:34

but also get enjoyment from

41:36

that shared energy. That is what we need

41:38

to focus on. And lastly, I

41:40

support our colleague Pivovarov's proposal.

41:43

I believe that, well, at a minimum, Moscow,

41:45

St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, and Novosibirsk are definitely cities where we

41:48

can hold an event on the same day.

41:50

Thank you, Ilya Yashin.

41:56

Colleagues, it seems to me there are two not-so

41:58

key turning points that emerged in the

42:00

course of the discussion. The first turning point is

42:02

the theme. The second is, in fact, the format

42:04

or Dmitry Krishfelya.

42:07

And indeed, in early May, of course,

42:09

it is impossible to move away from the topic of political

42:11

prisoners. Uh, and this should be one

42:14

of the main things to which

42:16

the main slogans are devoted, obviously. But,

42:18

perhaps, after all, it is probably not worth

42:20

narrowing things down and holding a rally devoted

42:22

exclusively to the topic of political

42:23

prisoners. Perhaps,

42:25

we should try to find a way

42:27

to broaden the theme and raise those

42:30

issues that concern people beyond

42:32

the topic of people persecuted for political

42:35

reasons. How to do that? That is a

42:37

technical question, probably, but it seems to me

42:38

that it would be the right thing to do.

42:40

As for the format, it seems to me

42:42

the question here is very simple. We either

42:44

hold the action on the sixth, in which case

42:47

we limit ourselves to a rally, or we change

42:50

the date, and then expand the format to

42:53

a march and a rally, because, well,

42:54

it is perfectly obvious that on a weekday,

42:56

on the sixth, we, uh, will not be able

42:58

to coordinate a march with the mayor's office

43:01

with the roadway closed off, and then,

43:03

most likely, we will have to go out for

43:05

an unsanctioned protest. Well, in that,

43:07

there is really nothing terrible, except

43:09

that it sharply reduces the number of

43:11

potential participants in the protest.

43:13

Therefore, we need to hold either on the fifth or

43:15

on the fourth a sanctioned

43:17

march, or on the fifth

43:19

limit ourselves to a rally. Thank you.

43:22

For example, we could simply prepare

43:23

for each of the imprisoned individuals

43:26

specific materials,

43:29

and post them simply in the blogosphere. This

43:32

would simply remind people and generally indicate

43:34

what this event is about, who

43:36

these people are, why they are considered

43:38

political prisoners, and why such a large number of people

43:40

are speaking out in their support,

43:42

because, after all, Russia is

43:44

not just Moscow; there are the regions as well. And

43:46

believe me, there are places where people have

43:48

barely heard anything about this, and even that only in the best

43:51

case from one of their neighbors, because

43:52

for the most part they watch television, where

43:54

on this subject, as you yourselves know,

43:56

they usually tell us nothing. Therefore, I

43:58

think it makes sense to use

44:02

such a mechanism for informing people

44:04

in general what this is, what it is about, and why it

44:05

is happening. Ah, Maxim Katz.

44:12

Dear colleagues, Mr.

44:14

Chairman, I would like to draw your

44:16

attention to Article 39 of our rules of procedure,

44:19

which sets out the procedure

44:22

for considering issues at meetings of the

44:24

Coordinating Council. We have gotten a little

44:25

stuck on item five, and it

44:28

has already lasted longer than the 30 minutes provided for by the rules.

44:31

And the next stage

44:33

of considering issues in accordance with

44:34

this article is adopting the decision in

44:36

principle, and then introducing amendments, uh, to

44:39

the decision adopted in principle, and then

44:41

voting on the entire decision as a whole. And

44:43

it seems to me that the fairly

44:45

large working group that

44:48

worked on this issue has very

44:49

carefully examined every aspect. And I

44:52

think that we need to adopt as a basis

44:53

precisely their proposal, because

44:55

well, otherwise, if such extensive

44:58

work is carried out, and then we

44:59

do not even adopt it in principle,

45:01

well, then certainly nothing here will work

45:04

at all. Therefore, I propose

45:05

that we move to item six of the procedure

45:07

for considering the issue and put to a vote

45:09

the adoption in principle

45:11

of the draft proposed by the working group. And

45:13

then move to item seven and

45:14

consider the proposed amendments, namely

45:16

replacing the rally with a march, and

45:18

also the other amendments that were raised here,

45:20

and then vote on the decision

45:22

as a whole.

45:26

Everyone has already spoken, so let us

45:27

move on. Our time is up. And

45:32

we are putting to a vote the adoption in

45:34

principle of the plan proposed by the working

45:37

group, and then we will consider the details.

45:39

Who is in favor of adopting as a basis the plan

45:42

proposed by the working group?

45:48

What are we voting on?

45:56

We are voting on whether to adopt in

45:58

principle the proposed plan itself.

46:01

23 votes. The decision is adopted. Now

46:04

let us vote separately on the procedure

46:06

for introducing it. Wait. But where is the draft

46:08

resolution? Is there a written draft

46:11

resolution on this issue?

46:13

There is no written draft resolution, but

46:15

everything has been outlined.

46:16

Wait a moment. How and where are we

46:18

going to introduce amendments, dear

46:20

colleagues? Where exactly are we going to put the amendments?

46:23

Do you know which ones?

46:23

Well, the key alternatives have just been outlined

46:25

just now. Let us vote on them

46:28

or put them to the assembly. That also

46:30

works.

46:31

By the way, I really do think,

46:37

please,

46:38

how can we vote while shouting from your seat

46:40

please ask for the floor.

46:43

Raise your hand,

46:46

colleagues, apparently you are right after all. So,

46:48

perhaps at this stage we should do

46:50

the following: have a group, including

46:54

representatives of those who prepared

46:55

the report and possibly some of those who

46:58

spoke just now, step aside and prepare

47:00

a draft resolution, uh, which could then

47:03

be posted for discussion by the

47:06

Coordinating Council. And we ourselves will move on to

47:08

the next issue, and then return to

47:09

this one. Without a draft resolution that

47:13

we could vote on, and into which

47:15

various proposals and

47:17

provisions could be incorporated, it really would be

47:19

difficult for us to formulate

47:21

a proposal that could then

47:24

be adopted as a decision

47:25

for inclusion in the minutes.

47:30

Dear colleagues, I do not quite

47:32

understand what resolution we are waiting for. Just now

47:35

there was a report by the working group, which

47:36

proposed a plan of specific actions.

47:39

That plan can be printed out.

47:40

So it is precisely this plan, this very thing

47:43

that Petrkov spoke about,

47:46

that should be submitted, that is what we should have.

47:51

Yes, if I may, I will finish. So, we

47:53

we should

47:55

prepare, preferably in written form,

47:57

a plan,

47:59

which we have just voted to adopt

48:00

as a basis. If there are any proposals, we can

48:03

discuss them. Something along those lines.

48:06

Thank you. On procedure, then, Mr.

48:09

Chairman, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that

48:10

our rules of procedure do not in any way regulate

48:12

the existence of a written draft resolution.

48:14

Of course, this seems logical, and

48:16

it really is strange to vote for

48:18

some decision without a written

48:20

draft. However, you may still

48:22

put it to a vote, since the

48:24

rules contain nothing about the mandatory nature

48:28

of a written draft.

48:29

We have staff.

48:30

At the moment, we do have the practical ability, in

48:32

principle, to review this plan. We can

48:33

provide it later. I am simply

48:35

suggesting that perhaps the key branching points

48:37

could be put to a vote, for example,

48:39

regarding the date of the rally. There were two,

48:41

respectively, proposals: May 5 and May 6,

48:44

as I understand it.

48:47

Let us at least approve that the main

48:49

rally is planned for May 6. Who is in favor of

48:52

approving this date?

48:57

What? What?

48:59

May 6.

49:09

20% plus, separately, a proposal was made

49:12

to hold preliminary

49:14

actions in the regions on the fourth; the decision

49:17

has been adopted

49:17

the decision has been adopted, yes, and separately there was

49:19

a proposal to register actions in the regions on May 4–5

49:21

and accordingly this also becomes

49:23

a proposal

49:25

a proposal; it is simply in the same

49:28

conclusion

49:29

let's

49:30

Yes, I simply have a proposal, dear

49:31

colleagues. We are the Coordinating Council, and

49:34

since people are expecting some kind of decisions and

49:36

proposals from us, let us declare these

49:38

days, May 5–6, days of nationwide

49:42

rallies and marches under the slogan "For Freedom"

49:45

I think that this would be very

49:47

appropriate; whichever regions are able to

49:49

organize themselves will do so, and whatever issues

49:50

require our assistance, we will show how to make

49:53

such an action, which should take place, perhaps

49:55

or rather be held, in other populated

49:57

areas as well

49:59

in general, I am putting to a vote May 5 for holding

50:00

the event

50:05

[music]

50:07

Colleagues, despite the fact that our colleague Kas

50:09

says that a written version of the decision

50:12

is not necessary, that is not entirely

50:15

accurate. Article

50:17

316 of the rules of procedure states: "The adoption of a draft

50:20

resolution as a basis means," and so

50:21

on. That is, a draft

50:23

resolution is required. The words 'draft resolution,' in my

50:25

view, imply the existence specifically

50:27

of a draft resolution in written form.

50:28

Therefore, I would consider it advisable

50:30

to print out this draft and then

50:31

vote on it.

50:34

On procedure, no more. And there was also,

50:39

you wanted to put to a vote,

50:40

yes, there was a proposal to put to a vote the holding of

50:42

actions in the regions.

50:46

Once again, we will... Let us vote.

50:49

Let's do that. In fact, I now urge everyone

50:52

not to waste time on this discussion,

50:54

because the questions that are now

50:56

going to be put to a vote

50:58

are being torn out of context, and this does not

50:59

create a complete picture of the final

51:02

action. Therefore, I propose that we proceed

51:04

as follows. Without wasting time on

51:06

printing this document and on

51:07

drafting it, adopt it as a basis and

51:11

then put the key branching questions to

51:14

a democratic vote.

51:17

How is that possible? How can this question be

51:19

put to a vote? We have not discussed it. We

51:22

have the right to discuss it. And

51:24

for example, I also believe that we generally

51:26

need to understand what it is we are actually deciding.

51:28

Simply on paper, because in my view

51:30

it is so simple and clear that otherwise

51:33

speculation will begin later. We have already voted

51:35

for this. No, no, this

51:37

question there was only adopted as a basis. And

51:40

that adoption as a basis

51:41

implied that you were speaking only about the rally

51:43

without raising the rest.

51:45

They are already printing it. Well, wait a few

51:47

minutes, they will bring it now. Well, let us

51:50

proceed as follows. The proposals

51:52

that were formulated by Pyotr

51:54

Tsarkov, we will print out, distribute, and

51:56

return to this issue later.

51:58

For now, I propose removing it from

52:00

consideration

52:01

or declaring a recess,

52:04

or removing it,

52:06

colleague, why are you shouting?

52:07

On procedure, accordingly,

52:10

yes, on procedure I wanted to say that

52:11

we are voting on a draft resolution. What is the

52:13

draft resolution? To approve everything at once?

52:16

A working group, a working group.

52:18

And we also have procedural experience.

52:20

So, excuse me, I

52:22

propose either declaring a recess and

52:24

waiting until we are given the written

52:25

version, or postponing this issue until

52:28

later today and now moving on to

52:30

consideration of the next item, and then

52:31

returning to this one when we have

52:33

a written resolution. One of these two

52:35

options needs to be chosen. Let us

52:36

vote. It will not take much time,

52:38

so everything can be printed out?

52:39

The process is already underway.

52:40

They’re already handing them out. They’re already handing them out.

52:42

Then let’s move on to the next

52:43

item. After that, we’ll return to

52:46

our plans.

52:49

And the next item is

52:52

the resolution on creating a regional

52:53

representative council

52:55

of the Russian opposition. Accordingly,

52:58

you have it as item number three.

53:02

Who from the regional development group

53:04

is presenting? We have a procedural question. Have we

53:07

voted?

53:11

considers the actions of the Moscow city authorities

53:12

in preparing and carrying out the mass

53:14

opposition rally on May 6, 2013, at

53:17

Bolotnaya Square (a square in Moscow) to have been a deliberate provocation

53:19

by officials of the Moscow city government and

53:21

the Main Directorate of the Russian Interior Ministry for the city of

53:23

Moscow against the participants in the peaceful

53:25

lawful rally, with a request

53:26

to conduct an inquiry into whether there are grounds to find

53:28

elements of a crime. If, if that is

53:30

the short version, the materials have been distributed to all members

53:33

of the Coordinating Council; I ask you to vote

53:35

for the adoption of this resolution

53:37

to personally sign the said statement, and

53:39

also to call through your social

53:41

networks

53:43

on a wide range of citizens to sign

53:45

the said statement and send it to

53:46

the investigative authorities. Thank you.

53:48

Support.

53:50

Alexei Navalny.

53:52

Yes, colleagues, in fact this

53:54

issue is essentially a continuation of our

53:56

discussion at the previous CC meeting, where we

53:58

said that on the Bolotnaya case

54:00

we need to take an offensive stance.

54:01

Now that we have the opportunity

54:03

to review the case materials, we have

54:06

all the evidence showing that what

54:09

happened at Bolotnaya Square on May 6

54:11

was a pre-planned

54:13

provocation. Here you can see the crime report

54:15

that has been prepared,

54:17

a legal document of that kind. Here

54:19

you can simply see that there are

54:22

official letters from the Moscow police, where it is directly

54:24

stated that with the organizers of the public

54:26

event, the layout plan

54:28

and deployment of forces were not coordinated,

54:30

because they were considered internal service matters.

54:32

That is, Moscow itself admits that

54:34

it first agreed on one

54:36

plan, then changed everything, and

54:38

did not warn the organizers. From our

54:40

point of view, this clearly constitutes

54:42

a crime. And once again, here we must

54:45

take an offensive stance. I

54:47

propose that today everyone sign this

54:49

crime report

54:51

and thereby formalize our

54:54

claims, and then use our legal

54:55

options in order

54:57

to demand a truly

54:59

objective investigation now or

55:01

later. But these people must be

55:03

held accountable. This is the first

55:05

step in that direction.

55:05

Thank you.

55:08

Nikolai.

55:11

I’ll say right away: of course I will sign it.

55:12

I fully support it. And,

55:14

Mikhail Shats.

55:16

I would like to add the following. A resolution

55:18

is all very well, of course, and I

55:20

fully agree with its content. But

55:22

we need to understand that if we—Alexei, you

55:24

are saying that we should choose

55:28

an offensive tactic—then it should

55:29

be a tactic not merely of adopting

55:31

a resolution, but a tactic of counter-propaganda. That

55:34

is, I mean, for example, many times

55:36

we have talked about conducting

55:38

an alternative investigation into the events of May 6.

55:41

Many times we have talked about

55:43

making documentary films, and

55:45

about the participants in those events, the injured party

55:48

and so on. In this sense,

55:50

it seems to me very important, uh,

55:52

to prepare for the upcoming trial

55:55

in the Bolotnaya case precisely from this

55:57

point of view: to bring in journalists, to bring in

56:00

documentary filmmakers, and to create some

56:03

counterarguments that will be more

56:07

audible than yet another resolution.

56:10

Sergei Parkhomenko.

56:16

It is very unfortunate that it was Mikhail who said these

56:20

words. In his case, somehow, I feel

56:22

especially upset that he does not know that

56:24

a parallel investigation, a public

56:26

investigation into May 6, is underway; a

56:29

large commission has been created.

56:31

There is a separate group that

56:33

is collecting witness statements, video,

56:36

photos, and so on. More than 500 people have already

56:39

come forward with their testimony.

56:41

There is also a group that will receive a report on

56:45

all this collected evidence in order

56:48

to analyze it and

56:51

produce a final report with

56:54

conclusions. At the last meeting, I

56:56

urged colleagues to pay some attention

56:58

to this investigation, to read about it,

57:01

if it’s not too much trouble, to find material about it on

57:02

the internet, and somehow help

57:04

spread the word that this

57:06

process is taking place. Unfortunately, that

57:08

did not happen. Once again, I urge you

57:11

just to google it—none of us is

57:13

exempt—find the public

57:14

investigation into May 6 and talk about it,

57:16

use the opportunities that

57:18

you have. Separately, I would like to say that

57:19

19

57:21

March

57:22

Uh, at 6:00 p.m. an exhibition will open,

57:25

which is not just

57:26

an art photography exhibition dedicated to May 6,

57:28

It is the first attempt

57:30

to present to the public some of the

57:32

materials that were collected during this

57:34

investigation. I strongly recommend

57:37

and ask those who were in Moscow on the nineteenth

57:39

to come to this exhibition and

57:44

tell those who listen to you about it.

57:47

This is an extremely important thing. It is a practical

57:49

matter. It is not at all just, so to speak,

57:51

some kind of artistic impression

57:53

that one can take away from all this.

57:57

And Mikhail Artegin, please, go ahead.

57:59

Indeed, as they say, without you

58:01

we will not manage. And the buildings and so on. And

58:05

I have a question about this. Uh,

58:07

as for signing this

58:10

crime report, is this to be done as

58:13

a collective matter? Should we all

58:14

sign one sheet, or does each of

58:16

us submit it in our own name?

58:21

The idea is that we are now

58:22

signing this statement collectively

58:23

as members of the Coordinating Council, and then we appeal to

58:26

everyone. Just technically, how should this be done?

58:28

After all, the full names of the applicants would require

58:31

five pages of applicants' names. We have here

58:35

Let us print out during the break

58:36

the last page. And if the statement

58:39

is now adopted by the Coordinating

58:41

Council, then each member of the Coordinating

58:42

Council will personally sign the last page

58:44

of the statement, with signature and printed name there. And

58:47

the first page can then be prepared in

58:49

typed form later.

58:51

Aha, understood.

58:52

All right.

58:53

And Serdyukov. Well, actually,

58:57

I would like to thank the authors for the

58:59

work they have done and say that statements

59:02

in isolated individual cases about

59:04

crimes committed by the authorities and

59:06

the police have been written before, but when there were few of them,

59:09

the authorities had the ability simply to

59:11

ignore them. My two, for now, have

59:12

been ignored.

59:14

But if there are many of them, a flood of them, if people

59:17

send them in large numbers on their own behalf,

59:19

then it will be much harder for them

59:21

to ignore them. And our view

59:23

will become, well, a kind of public fact. In

59:26

this connection, I urge that if we

59:28

adopt this statement—as I hope we will—

59:30

everyone should post it on their social

59:32

media, promote this idea, so that

59:35

its implementation takes on a mass

59:37

character.

59:39

Maxim

59:42

I will not speak, Gennady Gudkov has already

59:45

said what I wanted to say.

59:48

Anton Dolgikh.

59:53

Lyubov, please remove from the

59:55

title the words "committed," because

59:57

the Code of Criminal Procedure provides for a report of

59:58

a crime. Even if it is called

1:00:00

a statement about a crime. And I propose

1:00:03

doing it this way: write to all members of the Coordinating Council that

1:00:05

there will be a collective appeal, and whoever

1:00:08

wishes may also do so individually,

1:00:09

because each person will need to

1:00:11

receive a response. That would be better—that is,

1:00:13

both collective and individual, and

1:00:15

we should call on citizens to do the same.

1:00:18

Ah, all right. Put to a vote is

1:00:21

me

1:00:22

Andrei.

1:00:24

[music]

1:00:28

Still, so, here we have

1:00:32

a resolution and a statement on

1:00:35

three pages. But the three documents

1:00:37

that are in the attached supporting

1:00:39

pages have not, at least in

1:00:41

our section, been distributed. Uh,

1:00:45

since we are voting for the resolution and for

1:00:48

the statement with the corresponding references, then

1:00:51

of course, we would like to have these

1:00:52

documents. Especially if we

1:00:55

support the procedure that was just

1:00:57

discussed, with signatures both

1:00:59

collective and individual, then all

1:01:03

members—or at least those who sign

1:01:05

this document—must have a full

1:01:07

understanding of the entire package of documents

1:01:10

that we are now supporting, both

1:01:12

collectively and individually.

1:01:15

We,

1:01:16

unfortunately, have only one

1:01:17

copy, but all members of the Coordinating Council can

1:01:19

review all these documents. Well,

1:01:21

during the break we can distribute

1:01:23

them; all the papers are available, so that can be arranged.

1:01:25

I would like to note that on this issue the presenter is Lyubov Sobol, but for some reason

1:01:26

the one answering all our questions is

1:01:28

Alexei Navalny.

1:01:29

I asked that the rules of procedure

1:01:32

be observed. And as for procedure,

1:01:34

briefly: this is already the second time

1:01:37

and with all due respect to Sobol, yes,

1:01:39

that, in my view, at the very last moment

1:01:41

some resolutions are being introduced which

1:01:43

we of course unquestionably

1:01:44

support, but surely you must agree

1:01:47

that this resolution, these documents,

1:01:48

could have been prepared and sent out 2–3 days ago

1:01:50

so that we could at least print them out for the

1:01:51

meeting. No offense intended, of course,

1:01:53

I apologize. Mm-hmm.

1:01:55

And,

1:01:58

colleague Vandarev, thank you for the comment.

1:01:59

That is something for the future. And to colleague Larionov

1:02:02

I would like to say that, first of all, all

1:02:04

these materials I sent out as best I could

1:02:06

myself to the personal email addresses that I

1:02:09

know for all members of the council yesterday, together

1:02:12

with the attached documents. That is, there

1:02:14

in the PDF file were all the documents that

1:02:16

have just been handed to you. You could have

1:02:17

reviewed them, or done so a little

1:02:19

later. Second, I would like to note

1:02:21

that these documents, which we are

1:02:23

attaching, are not secret, and

1:02:26

information about them has circulated, including

1:02:28

in the media. And Svetlana Reiter

1:02:30

published part of the document that

1:02:32

is attached to the application in SQUR magazine. This

1:02:35

was all widely discussed, and so on. In other words,

1:02:36

the documents are not some kind of

1:02:38

novelty or something unique.

1:02:41

You misunderstood. The point is that many

1:02:44

documents are, of course, known and familiar,

1:02:46

and many of the people who are here

1:02:49

not only knew and read these documents,

1:02:50

but studied them. The consideration and adoption

1:02:53

of documents presupposes that these

1:02:55

documents are right in front of us,

1:02:57

distributed. Especially since there are

1:02:58

relevant references here, indications of these

1:03:01

documents in the appropriate volume. This is

1:03:03

simply standard procedure for such a

1:03:05

respected body as

1:03:09

Sergei, please.

1:03:10

I think there is one thing that

1:03:11

needs to be decided today. Yes,

1:03:13

of course.

1:03:14

Uh, we had already sort of raised our hands

1:03:16

to vote for this, the vote was then

1:03:18

carried out. Approval has been granted.

1:03:22

Yes, because it seems to me

1:03:24

it has been adopted. I'm telling you. Thank you. Excellent.

1:03:27

Is there anyone opposed?

1:03:30

Thus, this plan has been adopted as the

1:03:32

basis. All amendments and disagreements

1:03:35

will be finalized in the group and submitted to

1:03:37

Democracy 2.

1:03:38

I want to congratulate the coordinating council

1:03:41

of the Russian opposition on the already existing

1:03:45

successful experience of influencing civic and

1:03:49

political protests in the regions. We

1:03:51

adopted a resolution on January 20 regarding the city of

1:03:54

Bezhinsk in Nizhny Novgorod Region. And this

1:03:56

resolution, together, of course, with other

1:03:59

systematic protest actions,

1:04:01

led to the fact that on March 13 the Supreme

1:04:04

Court was forced to make a decision

1:04:07

that, well, automatically triggers the

1:04:09

procedure for reinstating in office

1:04:12

the removed Bezhinsk mayor Sopin,

1:04:14

a protest mayor, a mayor who

1:04:16

demonstratively left United Russia,

1:04:19

a mayor who set himself against

1:04:21

the current political system in

1:04:24

Russia. That system is now being forced

1:04:27

to reinstate him. In this, no small

1:04:30

role—far from a minor one—was played by

1:04:32

our January resolution. Now we are

1:04:35

preparing to hold protest

1:04:37

events in April and May. Yes. Who will

1:04:41

organize these very protest

1:04:43

events, invite a representative of the CC

1:04:46

to the region?

1:04:47

Who will collect signatures for

1:04:50

the appeal

1:04:52

that we have just voted on, yes,

1:04:54

thanks to our colleague Soba. I assure you that

1:04:58

these tasks cannot be solved through Facebook, through

1:05:02

the internet—we will not solve them

1:05:04

we will not. In the regions, at pickets, statements like these

1:05:09

statements

1:05:10

we will collect, well, at least as many,

1:05:13

and in some regions even more than

1:05:15

through internet resources.

1:05:17

And for all this, to organize this kind of

1:05:20

work, we now need, as badly as air,

1:05:23

regional CC offices.

1:05:27

And the last thing I still wanted

1:05:28

to emphasize, yes, is that in essence the

1:05:30

proposed resolution is simply

1:05:32

a mechanism for forming these regional

1:05:34

branches. Right now there is neither time nor

1:05:37

opportunity; I assure you that in the regions

1:05:39

there is no need to hold elections to these

1:05:42

regional committees. They need to be

1:05:45

formed by delegation,

1:05:48

by granting authority from those

1:05:53

organizations that are represented in the CC,

1:05:55

to their people who are in the regions.

1:05:57

That's all. Thank you for your attention.

1:06:00

Alexei.

1:06:03

Yes, colleagues, I took part in the working

1:06:05

group in which this

1:06:07

document was discussed, and I think that overall it can be

1:06:08

supported. I would draw your attention

1:06:11

to

1:06:12

the point that says the CC

1:06:15

rejects the artificial

1:06:17

formation of regional representative offices,

1:06:19

because while the need

1:06:22

to form such coordinating

1:06:24

bodies is understandable, on the other hand

1:06:26

there is a very important danger that in many

1:06:29

regions there are in reality

1:06:30

already established coalitions—political,

1:06:32

social, protest coalitions—for

1:06:36

which often

1:06:39

a representative of this region in the CC or

1:06:42

some part of the CC is, so to speak, more

1:06:45

of an evil than a good or an ally. And so

1:06:49

to create structures that will

1:06:50

actually oppose the existing

1:06:53

activists or split this activist base

1:06:56

in half is extremely dangerous. Gennady Kov.

1:07:02

Dear colleagues, I would simply like

1:07:04

to draw your attention to the fact that we are making

1:07:06

a decision somewhat

1:07:08

without looking at our political

1:07:10

statement. In the political statement, I

1:07:13

simply took part in its preparation and

1:07:14

editing, it is stated that we do not

1:07:17

centralize

1:07:18

protest activity, and that the issue

1:07:22

of forming similar structures is,

1:07:24

by and large, an initiative for the regions themselves.

1:07:27

In order not to introduce this

1:07:30

resolution into the ruling right now, I

1:07:32

I suggest adopting it, perhaps as the

1:07:33

basis, but making sure to specify that

1:07:36

the representative office of the Coordination

1:07:38

Council is specifically a representative office

1:07:40

of that Moscow Coordination Council

1:07:42

for interaction with regional

1:07:44

associations, if and when they emerge.

1:07:46

Why Moscow? Because, because in

1:07:48

our political declaration, which

1:07:50

we, well, which we

1:07:52

adopted, it clearly states that

1:07:53

the Coordination Council renounces

1:07:55

any kind of—I don’t remember the exact wording

1:07:57

offhand, I don’t have it in front of me—monopolization and centralization

1:07:59

of the protest movement. Therefore, we need

1:08:01

to distinguish between these two concepts. I believe

1:08:03

that, in general, a representative office

1:08:06

of the CC is a positive thing. Through these

1:08:09

representative offices, we can share experience,

1:08:10

exchange opinions,

1:08:12

information, and so on and so forth.

1:08:14

But this cannot replace, and must not

1:08:16

replace, in accordance with our

1:08:18

political declaration, the possibility

1:08:20

of creating similar coordination

1:08:22

councils at the initiative of the regions. These

1:08:24

two concepts simply need to be separated,

1:08:26

and this must be added to the resolution

1:08:28

that we are now about to

1:08:30

vote on. Thank you. Andrei Pivovarov.

1:08:36

I actually voted against this

1:08:37

resolution in the group. It seems to me

1:08:39

that delegating authority outside the framework

1:08:41

of elections will create exactly the problems

1:08:43

that our colleague Akhnin was talking about. That is, in

1:08:45

St. Petersburg, if we delegate authority to anyone,

1:08:47

we will simply end up with

1:08:49

another two or three groups. It seems to

1:08:50

me that we can work perfectly well within

1:08:52

the regional group, within

1:08:54

the framework of the entire CC’s work with the regions. And for that

1:08:56

there is no need to delegate or single out any

1:08:57

representatives, in my view.

1:08:59

A colleague was talking about collecting

1:09:01

signatures—I may be mistaken, but it seems to me

1:09:02

we can work directly with the people

1:09:04

who are doing this and organize

1:09:06

the work that way as well. But by singling someone out, by appointing

1:09:09

someone as a representative, we are going against

1:09:11

ourselves, because we were not, so to speak, elected

1:09:13

to appoint anyone, and we do not need the authority

1:09:14

to appoint someone in a region. Therefore,

1:09:16

I voted against it.

1:09:18

Alexei Navalnych,

1:09:20

thank you. Colleagues, I would support

1:09:23

our colleague Pivovarov. It seems to me this is

1:09:24

the wrong system, one in which the CC

1:09:26

would now begin issuing licenses for

1:09:28

being the opposition in a given region to one

1:09:30

person or another. It is clear that here,

1:09:33

no matter how hard we try to be

1:09:34

objective, there are still personal

1:09:36

relationships between CC members and certain people in

1:09:38

the regions, who are either good or

1:09:39

bad. There is a long history of bad

1:09:42

and good relations. What is most

1:09:44

remarkable about our CC? People may

1:09:46

criticize what they like and do not like about it,

1:09:48

but it was definitely elected. And here

1:09:50

everyone is here by virtue of the fact that they were

1:09:52

elected by others. And it seems to me that this is

1:09:53

the only possible principle

1:09:56

for forming CCs in the regions. For example,

1:09:57

right now in Zhukovsky

1:09:59

the process is underway. Without any guidance

1:10:00

from us, they simply went ahead and will elect their own CC,

1:10:04

and it will be legitimate; it does not need anything from us. And

1:10:06

most importantly, it will be recognized by the residents

1:10:08

of Zhukovsky—not by some opposition,

1:10:10

not by any organizations, but by the residents

1:10:12

of Zhukovsky. That is the most important thing. We

1:10:14

recently had a meeting of our group on

1:10:17

electronic democracy. Alexei was there too.

1:10:18

And right now elections are already underway

1:10:22

in Zhukovsky. And preparations are underway

1:10:26

for the possibility that elections may be

1:10:27

held in Yekaterinburg. And everyone,

1:10:29

of course, would very much like elections

1:10:31

to take place in St. Petersburg, but the situation there is, of course, very

1:10:33

complicated, and these elections

1:10:35

cannot be imposed from Moscow, because

1:10:37

in St. Petersburg the opposition figures hate each other so much

1:10:38

that, well—but still,

1:10:41

this is something we should strive for.

1:10:42

It seems to me that the task of the regional group

1:10:44

is rather to resolve this issue somehow,

1:10:46

to come up with such proposals

1:10:49

under which, for example, in

1:10:52

St. Petersburg such elections could take place. But

1:10:54

I repeat: this issue should be resolved only through elections.

1:10:56

Thank you.

1:10:57

Ilya Konstantinov.

1:10:59

Dear colleagues, I think that between

1:11:02

the different points of view expressed

1:11:04

here, there is actually no contradiction.

1:11:07

The point is that our Coordination

1:11:10

Council is not, first of all, a Moscow one.

1:11:12

because it was elected not only in

1:11:15

Moscow, and it includes representatives not only from

1:11:17

Moscow. That is the first thing I wanted

1:11:19

to note. And the second, and most important, point is that

1:11:22

we should not exaggerate our own

1:11:25

importance and think that if here in the

1:11:27

Coordination Council we assign some Ivan Doe

1:11:31

to organize protest activity in

1:11:34

some backwater town,

1:11:37

then Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov, who lives on

1:11:39

the next street over in that same town, will

1:11:41

hang himself over it. He will not hang himself over

1:11:44

that. If somewhere elections to a Coordination Council

1:11:47

are held without regard to the recommendations

1:11:51

of the

1:11:53

Central Coordination Council,

1:11:55

more power to them. But if someone locally,

1:12:00

in some town or village, says:

1:12:02

"Guys, I want to take part in the work.

1:12:05

There are only one, two, three of us here,

1:12:08

and we’re all bruised and battered—why shouldn’t he...

1:12:11

help? Why not support it with our

1:12:14

authority? I think these two

1:12:17

positions—grassroots self-organization and assistance

1:12:21

from the Central Coordinating Council

1:12:24

do not exclude one another at all.

1:12:26

Thank you.

1:12:28

Sergei Davidovich.

1:12:30

Dear colleagues,

1:12:32

dear colleagues, I generally agree

1:12:34

with the doubts that have been expressed

1:12:36

about this kind of interventionist format

1:12:39

of the proposed statement, this imposition of

1:12:43

opposition organizational structures from

1:12:47

Moscow, which is, generally speaking, both unrealistic and

1:12:48

replaces the institution already proposed, but

1:12:50

on the other hand, it is obvious that ties with

1:12:53

the regions

1:12:54

are, well, not good enough, the issues facing

1:12:57

the regions are not fully understood, and by the efforts

1:12:59

of the regional group alone,

1:13:01

which in any case is, well, located there in

1:13:03

a specific place in Moscow or St. Petersburg, that is,

1:13:04

its members cannot cover with their

1:13:08

view everything. Uh, that is impossible

1:13:10

to do. Therefore, there is a sensible element

1:13:13

connected with formalizing communication with

1:13:15

each of the regions, it seems to me, in this

1:13:17

draft. I would suggest to the authors

1:13:19

perhaps reworking it so that

1:13:21

uh, well, such missions, such links,

1:13:24

so to speak, yes, also a direct and clear channel

1:13:26

of communication, an eye, so to speak, of the Coordinating Council, uh, from among

1:13:29

those who wish to create one locally—then

1:13:32

that would serve the goals of further

1:13:35

development. Ilya Yashin,

1:13:41

colleagues, I propose voting against

1:13:43

this resolution. It seems to me that, uh, we

1:13:46

should encourage, if these are elections in

1:13:48

the regions. And if so far not a single

1:13:50

coordinating council has appeared in the regions,

1:13:52

then, uh, people are not yet ready. We must

1:13:56

avoid, uh, attempts to impose, through a

1:13:59

top-down vertical scheme, any kind of

1:14:02

formats, because we will only sow

1:14:03

conflicts. We will not solve the

1:14:05

tasks we declare; instead, we will

1:14:08

generate multiple conflicts, we will

1:14:11

draw reproaches against ourselves and pit

1:14:14

representatives of different opposition

1:14:16

groups in the regions against one another. We need to help people

1:14:19

organize elections, we need to help

1:14:21

people organize some kind of, I don't

1:14:23

know, forums, but we cannot propose

1:14:25

a format, uh, devised in Moscow.

1:14:28

Therefore, it seems to me that the resolution is rather

1:14:30

counterproductive.

1:14:33

Andrei Valery.

1:14:37

Dear colleagues, quite a number of

1:14:40

colleagues have already expressed, generally speaking, the idea

1:14:42

that I also wanted to mention.

1:14:45

In our unfortunate country, there are very many

1:14:46

different vertical power structures—security,

1:14:49

legislative, presidential, and so on. Now we

1:14:51

currently run the risk of creating a vertical chain

1:14:53

of coordinating councils, which, in my

1:14:55

view, is definitely something we should not do. And

1:14:58

here, in this draft resolution,

1:15:00

unless I am mistaken, I believe the word

1:15:02

"elections" does not appear even once, unless I am

1:15:05

mistaken. All of us here

1:15:09

on the Coordinating Council found ourselves here

1:15:10

because we were elected, elected by our

1:15:11

voters. And in general, the Coordinating Council itself

1:15:14

has its own kind of

1:15:16

well,

1:15:18

forerunner, namely

1:15:21

the rallies and mass demonstrations of December

1:15:23

2011 and then the beginning of

1:15:25

2012, which demanded

1:15:27

elections—and not just elections, but

1:15:29

fair elections. Uh, therefore,

1:15:33

well, we should continue to develop

1:15:36

uh, our own electoral procedures,

1:15:38

so that there can be no complaints against us

1:15:41

regarding how we ourselves

1:15:43

were elected. And we certainly must not

1:15:46

impose on anyone

1:15:48

procedures that exclude elections, let alone

1:15:49

fair elections. Therefore, from the point

1:15:52

of view of the actions of the Coordinating

1:15:55

Council, we could, with the help of our

1:15:57

regional group, provide assistance in

1:16:00

organizing the relevant elections in

1:16:01

the regions. Therefore, I would suggest that

1:16:05

those who proposed this resolution should not

1:16:07

put it to a vote now, because

1:16:08

it will not pass, but instead rework it

1:16:11

accordingly so that

1:16:12

there is, uh, proper room here for

1:16:16

electoral procedures and assistance from

1:16:19

our Coordinating Council in

1:16:21

organizing them.

1:16:24

And I wanted to take the floor briefly.

1:16:25

It is just that we really are holding

1:16:27

elections to the People's Council. And I would like

1:16:29

to note two things. First, holding

1:16:30

elections is a very important test.

1:16:31

It shows whether a regional branch is at all

1:16:33

viable. And second, it

1:16:35

solves our important strategic task

1:16:37

of building up a base of supporters of the

1:16:40

Coordinating Council, which increases the legitimacy

1:16:42

of our system of electronic democracy. And

1:16:44

now I simply propose that the representative,

1:16:46

Artyom, take the floor for a final word, yes, and decide

1:16:48

whether to put the resolution forward or not, and then

1:16:49

vote, if necessary.

1:16:52

I also have something to say.

1:16:53

Well, time is already limited.

1:16:57

Under our rules, for the debate

1:17:01

10 minutes are allotted, and that time has already expired.

1:17:04

Russky.

1:17:05

Dear colleagues, thank you to everyone who

1:17:06

has expressed an opinion. The opinions are clear,

1:17:10

the opinions are well grounded, yes, but I would simply very much

1:17:13

ask all of you, colleagues, to read carefully

1:17:16

the documents that

1:17:18

are submitted for the CCO meeting, because

1:17:22

that this resolution’s content, precisely,

1:17:26

actually reconciles these outwardly

1:17:30

opposing points of view. Please note

1:17:31

what it begins with: to begin

1:17:34

forming a representative body in

1:17:36

regions where there has been positive experience

1:17:38

of jointly holding public

1:17:40

events.

1:17:41

Where such experience exists—and we have it in

1:17:43

the Nizhny Novgorod Region—there we

1:17:46

can now form a regional

1:17:48

branch of the Coordination Council according to the model

1:17:50

proposed in this resolution, that is,

1:17:53

through delegation. Elections there right now

1:17:56

would only complicate things; there is no need. It would waste time. It would

1:17:59

only inflame protests, contradictions,

1:18:02

and squabbles.

1:18:04

I do not need that in Nizhny Novgorod.

1:18:07

And where there is no such

1:18:09

cooperation, as was rightly said,

1:18:11

we should refrain from artificially

1:18:13

forming regional committees and

1:18:15

consider and think through what should be done there and how.

1:18:18

Finally,

1:18:20

elections are by no means

1:18:25

excluded from this resolution. It proposes resolving the issue of

1:18:28

involving in the work of forming

1:18:31

regional representative bodies

1:18:32

members of regional electoral

1:18:34

commissions and, where necessary, jointly with

1:18:37

the Central Election Commission. There is

1:18:39

an opportunity in some places to hold elections, in Belgorod for example.

1:18:42

Let’s hold elections in Zhukovsky, in

1:18:44

Yekaterinburg, in St. Petersburg.

1:18:47

This resolution specifically provides for

1:18:50

different options, but we are simply asking that you not

1:18:52

close off the possibility of quickly and

1:18:55

effectively forming representation

1:18:57

of the forces in the regions, where a lengthy,

1:19:00

difficult, drawn-out election procedure

1:19:02

is simply unnecessary. Therefore, dear

1:19:05

colleagues, I insist that this

1:19:08

resolution be put to a vote now.

1:19:12

Accordingly, the resolution is put to

1:19:13

a vote.

1:19:14

Those in favor of adopting it in the form in which

1:19:16

it was presented?

1:19:19

Clause 39 of our rules of procedure

1:19:21

provides first for adoption as a

1:19:22

basis, then amendments, and then

1:19:25

adoption as a whole. That means that now we

1:19:27

are voting to adopt as a basis what

1:19:29

the working group or the rapporteur proposed.

1:19:32

So, we are voting on adoption as a basis.

1:19:34

Who is in favor of adopting this

1:19:36

statement as a basis?

1:19:41

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1:19:47

12 votes. The motion is not adopted.

1:19:55

How many people do we have left now?

1:19:57

23, at least according to the registration list. That is,

1:19:59

under what is the quorum being maintained? Check the

1:20:05

registration.

1:20:05

No, from that point of view we do not want to

1:20:07

take a break. All right, let us move on to

1:20:09

the next item. Resolution

1:20:11

on Klyachkov... rapporteur Bangarila.

1:20:23

Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov was

1:20:24

arrested on December 23, 2010, on the

1:20:27

day after the Judicial Panel

1:20:29

for Criminal Cases of the Supreme

1:20:30

Court of the Russian Federation approved

1:20:32

the acquittal issued by the Moscow

1:20:34

Regional Court for Kvachkov, Yashin, Naidenov

1:20:36

and Ronov in the criminal case opened

1:20:38

over the attempted assassination of RAO UES head

1:20:40

Chubais. A new criminal case was

1:20:41

opened by the Main Investigative Directorate

1:20:43

Nikolai, may I read it? Everyone has read it already, after all.

1:20:45

Still, no—actually, it is my right

1:20:47

to read it out if I want. No, the proposal is

1:20:49

not to read it.

1:20:50

Ah, thank you, I will read it out, because the words

1:20:54

So, the criminal case was opened by the Main

1:20:56

Investigative Directorate of the FSB of Russia under

1:20:58

Article 30—well, preparation for an armed

1:21:01

mutiny, involving persons in assisting

1:21:02

terrorist activity, despite the fact

1:21:04

that the materials of the criminal case

1:21:05

contain no evidence that

1:21:07

Kvachkov had a real opportunity

1:21:08

to carry out the actions imputed to him,

1:21:10

despite the fact that there was no indication

1:21:12

of armament and no indication

1:21:13

of large numbers, which are

1:21:14

mandatory for classifying an act under

1:21:16

Article 279, a panel of three professional

1:21:18

judges of the Moscow City Court

1:21:20

handed down a guilty verdict against Kvachkov

1:21:22

sentencing Kvachkov to thirteen years

1:21:24

of imprisonment in a maximum-security penal colony, with

1:21:26

one year of restricted freedom. In his

1:21:27

closing statement, Kvachkov pointed out that

1:21:29

he had been engaged in scholarly work,

1:21:31

developing a concept for separating special

1:21:33

operations forces into a separate branch

1:21:35

of the armed forces, and had also written a scholarly work on

1:21:37

the idea that in the event of war, conducting

1:21:39

guerrilla operations on the territory

1:21:40

of the Russian Federation would be the most

1:21:42

effective way of fighting

1:21:43

intervening forces. The main evidence

1:21:45

against Kvachkov consists of more than 80 hours

1:21:47

of audio recordings of Kvachkov’s conversations with

1:21:49

his acquaintances in the kitchen of his

1:21:51

apartment, where political

1:21:53

problems were discussed, along with the unlawfulness of the ruling

1:21:55

political regime and its

1:21:56

illegitimacy. During the trial, prosecution witnesses

1:21:58

en masse

1:22:00

retracted the testimony that had been

1:22:02

obtained by FSB investigators through coercive methods

1:22:04

of Russia. After witness

1:22:06

Vasilyev spoke about torture, representatives were

1:22:08

barred from entering the courtroom

1:22:10

for members of the media. Journalists

1:22:13

were allowed into the proceedings only at the stage

1:22:15

of closing arguments and the pronouncement of the verdict. In

1:22:18

it, Kvachkov substantiated his thesis that

1:22:20

The people have the right to revolt. This

1:22:22

thesis is not original. This

1:22:23

principle is enshrined in the Universal

1:22:26

Declaration of Human Rights. In its verdict

1:22:28

in Kvachkov's case, the Moscow City Court stated

1:22:30

that the highest form of self-determination

1:22:32

of the Russian people is the right

1:22:34

to participate in a referendum, calling the reference

1:22:36

by KChKO to the direct text of the Universal Declaration of Human

1:22:38

Rights unlawful and contrary

1:22:40

to the Constitution of the Russian Federation,

1:22:41

describing it as a political program.

1:22:44

To charge a person under Article 279, it must

1:22:46

be established which specific

1:22:48

actions aimed at the violent

1:22:50

overthrow or alteration of the constitutional

1:22:51

order were committed by the accused. At present

1:22:53

Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov

1:22:55

is a political prisoner, because

1:22:57

he was convicted under Article 279 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

1:23:01

The wording of this article refers to

1:23:02

actions aimed at the violent overthrow and

1:23:05

alteration of the existing constitutional

1:23:07

order of the Russian Federation. Despite the fact

1:23:08

that Kvachkov in fact did not

1:23:10

have the ability to overturn the political

1:23:11

regime, but actively criticized it,

1:23:14

the existing

1:23:14

punitive law-enforcement system

1:23:16

considered him dangerous. In relation to him there was

1:23:18

a criminal case opened and

1:23:20

Colonel Kvachkov, retired military intelligence officer, was sentenced

1:23:22

to 13 years, which given his advanced

1:23:24

age is effectively equivalent to a life

1:23:26

sentence. The Coordinating Council of

1:23:29

the Opposition calls on

1:23:31

the Russian and international

1:23:32

public to pay special attention

1:23:33

to the case of Colonel Kvachkov and his

1:23:35

associates and will seek

1:23:37

the restoration of legality and justice

1:23:39

for those wrongfully convicted.

1:23:41

This resolution was considered at

1:23:44

a meeting of the human rights group

1:23:45

in the presence of Chirikova and Kaskharov. A quorum

1:23:48

was present, and, well, five people; I was

1:23:51

instructed to correct the technical

1:23:53

things there, yes, that is, well, just

1:23:55

to place the commas, which I, in fact,

1:23:56

did; the text remained unchanged. But now

1:23:58

at this moment

1:24:00

Sakhn has proposed inserting

1:24:03

the final, uh, final... Yes, all right.

1:24:06

Yes. So, uh, therefore I want to tell you, uh,

1:24:09

only one thing: no matter how anyone may feel

1:24:11

about Colonel Kvachkov, yes, I

1:24:13

also have quite a lot of

1:24:14

political disagreements here, but to pass

1:24:17

by this case of arbitrariness, when

1:24:20

a person is in effect being sentenced to

1:24:21

death, because it is clear that with

1:24:23

our maximum-security prisons, after 13 years

1:24:26

Vladimir Vasilyevich, if he comes out at all,

1:24:28

will only come out to the cemetery, yes, and he is 65 years old.

1:24:30

Therefore I would like to propose

1:24:33

that the Coordinating Council of the Opposition, uh,

1:24:35

support this resolution, and thereby

1:24:39

show that we

1:24:41

defend all political prisoners,

1:24:43

regardless of their political

1:24:45

views. Thank you.

1:24:46

Sergei Davidi.

1:24:49

Esteemed colleagues, then I, excuse me, I

1:24:52

was mistaken: there really were five people

1:24:55

present at the meeting. However,

1:24:58

uh, there are, uh, a number of

1:25:03

comments on the proposed resolution. Uh,

1:25:06

first, uh, one way or another, it

1:25:10

was essentially drafted by the lawyer

1:25:12

of the respected Kvachkov, given that

1:25:15

it is still clear that this person is

1:25:17

controversial,

1:25:18

and attitudes toward his political views and

1:25:20

activities vary greatly in society.

1:25:23

We must approach very carefully

1:25:26

all statements concerning

1:25:28

the violations, uh, that took place in

1:25:31

relation to him; they unquestionably did occur. And

1:25:33

to rely only on the lawyer's position

1:25:34

would not be entirely correct. In this

1:25:36

connection, it would be entirely natural, uh,

1:25:40

to compare these positions with the actual

1:25:42

text of the verdict and determine these

1:25:44

violations from it. But despite

1:25:46

the request that was sent in advance

1:25:48

to the respected author, uh, the text

1:25:51

was sent only yesterday evening.

1:25:53

Naturally, there was no opportunity to carry out this

1:25:54

work overnight.

1:25:58

To eliminate all these shortcomings at a

1:26:00

plenary session, I believe, is

1:26:02

impossible.

1:26:04

Alexei Sakhne.

1:26:07

Yes, colleagues,

1:26:08

I am precisely one of those people who

1:26:10

cannot be suspected of any political

1:26:13

closeness to Colonel Kvachkov. And yet

1:26:14

nevertheless, of course, I cannot but acknowledge

1:26:17

that the case against Kvachkov is politically

1:26:19

motivated. It is political

1:26:20

reprisal. It seems to me that the main

1:26:23

difficulty with this resolution lies

1:26:26

in the fact that, having identified

1:26:29

the presence of political motivation in

1:26:32

the case, we should not take responsibility

1:26:34

for what are, in my view, the odious

1:26:36

views of Mr. Kvachkov himself.

1:26:38

Therefore there is a proposal, first:

1:26:41

to set out the final paragraph in

1:26:43

the following wording: "Without sharing the views

1:26:46

and beliefs of Colonel Kvachkov, the CCO

1:26:50

recognizes him as a political prisoner, since

1:26:52

he was convicted under the article," and so on. I

1:26:54

think such an amendment would remove, would remove

1:26:58

this misunderstanding, and we would then

1:27:01

for example not have to explain to our activists

1:27:03

why we are

1:27:04

supporting an obvious anti-Semite and

1:27:07

that of an extreme nationalist there. Conduct,

1:27:10

until we have adopted it as a basis.

1:27:13

I believe that with such an amendment, if

1:27:15

there is, so to speak, the consent of the authors

1:27:17

of the resolution and of the country that

1:27:19

is putting it forward, it can be adopted as a basis and

1:27:21

those additional amendments can be introduced that

1:27:23

colleague Davidis spoke about.

1:27:25

Yes, I agree. The amendment, yes,

1:27:27

concerns conduct, Maksim?

1:27:28

Yes, conduct. I would like to draw your attention,

1:27:30

Mr. Chair, to the fact that discussion

1:27:31

of amendments can take place only after

1:27:33

a decision has been made to adopt it as a basis. And so that we do not

1:27:35

waste time, if discussion of amendments

1:27:37

begins, I suggest that you

1:27:39

well, point out to the speaker

1:27:41

that this is not the time for that, and

1:27:44

continue the discussion on the current

1:27:46

matter. Gennadykov.

1:27:49

Yes, dear colleagues, Dmitry Gudkov and I

1:27:52

will now be forced

1:27:53

to leave. We came here specifically to

1:27:55

show that we are with you, to show all

1:27:58

of our progressive public. Well,

1:28:00

I would like to say the following now.

1:28:04

Thank you. Thank you. Right. And I would like

1:28:08

to speak to the substance of the matter: Alexei

1:28:10

Navalny did not support me in vain

1:28:12

back then on the idea of forming some kind of

1:28:15

committee that would coordinate the work

1:28:17

before the council. We do need to adopt a resolution,

1:28:21

but not one like this. This

1:28:23

should be a memorandum. It should be

1:28:25

a memorandum, some kind of conclusion by some

1:28:27

commission of ours or, perhaps,

1:28:28

a lawyer. And what we can and

1:28:30

should have adopted is a resolution stating that

1:28:32

we condemn excessive harshness, that we

1:28:35

consider the evidence presented, in

1:28:36

general, by and large,

1:28:37

unconvincing. Of course, we are sending

1:28:39

a colonel to certain death, whatever

1:28:41

his views may have been, however much we

1:28:43

agreed with him or not. And that is the kind of

1:28:46

thing we need, at the very least, at minimum

1:28:47

we need an editorial group that

1:28:49

would prepare such resolutions. We cannot

1:28:52

take responsibility for the details

1:28:54

of the case, for certain specific facts there

1:28:57

of the evidence presented, the evidence rejected.

1:28:59

But our political

1:29:01

position should, in some part,

1:29:04

be one that really speaks precisely

1:29:05

to that, but would not take upon itself

1:29:07

responsibility for everything that,

1:29:09

say, precedes it there in

1:29:11

the last paragraph. Dear comrades, I have

1:29:13

a very earnest request and proposal

1:29:15

to consider the possibility of creating such a

1:29:18

group or some body that would

1:29:20

prepare for the organizing council, for

1:29:22

meetings precisely in this kind of framework for

1:29:24

resolutions. Because if we drag this out

1:29:27

now, adopt it as a basis, then

1:29:28

amendments—we are not adopting a bill

1:29:31

here; we must respond quickly and efficiently

1:29:32

to the political situation, but

1:29:35

in this form—please understand me correctly

1:29:38

and believe me—it cannot be adopted in this

1:29:40

form. We need to do something about this,

1:29:43

because there should be a decision there that

1:29:44

the Coordinating Council, add

1:29:45

a minute, heard it, discussed it there,

1:29:48

resolved to take note of it, taking into account

1:29:51

that certain arguments there are convincing,

1:29:53

certain others unconvincing, such-and-such a

1:29:55

position correct, such-and-such a

1:29:56

position incorrect. The investigation acted, acted

1:29:57

in this way or that; or, say, there are clearly visible

1:30:00

signs of commissioned actions by the investigation,

1:30:02

and clear indications there of some kind of provocation.

1:30:05

And the very conclusion there, so to speak, uh,

1:30:08

or rather, the sentence handed to Kvachkov, of course,

1:30:10

is excessively harsh and does not reflect

1:30:12

the danger of the act there, or the absence

1:30:14

of danger in what was done. That is what should have been

1:30:16

written. And we need to prepare that. I would

1:30:19

first of all like to support what

1:30:20

was just said by colleague Kov

1:30:23

regarding the document. A document may

1:30:26

contain some substantive

1:30:27

part describing what happened, but

1:30:29

the main part is, of course, our

1:30:31

attitude toward those actions,

1:30:33

that were carried out; in the proposed

1:30:36

document, this is literally addressed only in the

1:30:38

last sentence of the last paragraph.

1:30:41

Of course, the proportions should be different.

1:30:43

That is the first point. The second is much

1:30:45

more important, because I have heard from

1:30:47

several members of the Coordinating Council already

1:30:49

about the need for the Coordinating Council to express

1:30:52

our

1:30:54

attitude toward the views or opinions of anyone

1:30:57

whatsoever. But the Coordinating Council, in

1:30:59

principle, cannot express its

1:31:02

attitude toward anyone’s views,

1:31:04

just as neither a

1:31:05

political body nor a legal body can do so.

1:31:08

If we have any right—and such a right,

1:31:10

at least, we are trying to assume—

1:31:12

it is the right to speak regarding

1:31:15

actions: the actions of the authorities, the actions

1:31:17

of individual people. And every person has

1:31:20

the right to hold whatever views he holds,

1:31:21

even if we absolutely do not

1:31:23

agree with them, as is also the case for me with

1:31:25

regard, for example,

1:31:27

to the person we are discussing now. But it is not

1:31:30

our business, therefore, to express our

1:31:32

opinion regarding those views. And the

1:31:35

proposal,

1:31:36

that has just been voiced by a whole

1:31:38

number of members of the Coordinating Council,

1:31:40

is extremely dangerous. And

1:31:43

historical experience shows that as soon as

1:31:45

people begin determining which

1:31:47

which views are correct and which

1:31:48

views are incorrect, then in that way

1:31:50

we begin to adopt a totalitarian

1:31:53

approach to determining which

1:31:55

views alone receive

1:31:57

support. This is a very dangerous path.

1:31:59

Therefore, the general proposal is

1:32:01

to revise this document,

1:32:04

which now, of course, looks

1:32:06

much better than the previous

1:32:07

documents on changing the proportion

1:32:10

between the descriptive part and the operative part, and in

1:32:14

any case avoid any assessments

1:32:16

of views and opinions, both now and in any

1:32:18

future resolutions. Indirectly

1:32:22

the previous speaker stole

1:32:24

half my bread from me, because I was just about to

1:32:26

say a simple thing. Indeed,

1:32:31

as soon as the KS begins to talk at length

1:32:35

about which views are

1:32:37

acceptable and which are unacceptable, we

1:32:39

will quite quickly fall out precisely on

1:32:41

that basis. Here we need to stand on a purely

1:32:43

human rights position, it seems to me, and

1:32:45

judge only whether the actions of the authorities are lawful

1:32:48

or unlawful.

1:32:50

However, I admit that sometimes

1:32:53

we encounter situations where we

1:32:56

are defending a person whose views are

1:32:57

quite alien to a large number of

1:32:59

people. And, for example, to be honest,

1:33:01

much of what Klochkov says there

1:33:03

doesn't resonate with me either. However, one could probably

1:33:06

make amendments along the lines of, regardless

1:33:10

of one's attitude toward the views of this or that

1:33:12

person. That is, without saying

1:33:14

that they are right or wrong, but

1:33:16

instead placing ourselves outside his political

1:33:19

position. I think this would in no way

1:33:22

harm our objectivity. Now,

1:33:24

I can say only one thing. This

1:33:26

document is, in my

1:33:29

view, fairly neutral and

1:33:30

deserves to be taken as the

1:33:32

basis and refined in committee. It seems to me

1:33:35

that this is the only correct

1:33:36

path. Thank you for your attention. Let's proceed.

1:33:38

I would also like to speak. I

1:33:41

managed to read this draft, despite

1:33:43

the fact that it was sent out yesterday. And

1:33:45

indeed, my experience dealing with

1:33:46

law enforcement agencies suggests that

1:33:48

in this case, torture was indeed

1:33:50

used. And from the way they

1:33:52

deny this in the reasoning section of the verdict,

1:33:55

it is clear that torture did take place.

1:33:57

Therefore, this case is, of course,

1:33:59

politically motivated. Therefore, I

1:34:01

believe that despite the fact that Klochkov's views

1:34:02

probably contradict mine the most here,

1:34:04

I propose that

1:34:07

the resolution can be adopted as a basis

1:34:11

and, accordingly, all the amendments that

1:34:14

need to be made

1:34:16

will be formulated and put to a second vote. And

1:34:19

I propose adopting as a basis the resolution

1:34:22

by Pochkov. Who is in favor?

1:34:38

19 votes. The motion did not pass.

1:34:46

Do you propose moving on to the next item?

1:34:49

20 votes, even taking Gazaryan into account, in any

1:34:51

case there are not twenty.

1:34:53

Let's take a break. What? Yes.

1:34:55

Let's hear the report of the budget

1:34:57

committee and then take a break.

1:34:59

Again,

1:35:00

perhaps once more

1:35:03

it can be brought back for reconsideration.

1:35:09

The decision is adopted.

1:35:16

Colleagues, all right, let's take a 10-

1:35:18

minute break. Understood.

1:35:19

While everyone is dispersing here and saying goodbye,

1:35:21

then we'll come back and continue.

1:35:57

He stepped out.

1:36:12

Where is he? Press it.

1:36:17

Here, look,

1:36:19

you removed it. Yes, this too.

1:36:20

Well, that's a damaged package. You see, they

1:36:23

are standing there. And they

1:36:43

I see.

1:36:45

Colleagues, I propose we begin our

1:36:47

meeting.

1:36:53

Dear colleagues,

1:36:55

the budget committee presents for your consideration

1:36:58

three reports. The first is the

1:37:00

traditional one on members' contributions. At present

1:37:04

we have a balance of around 300,000. Before

1:37:07

the meeting, I also received contributions

1:37:11

from the Debt group and from Adagamov

1:37:13

of 15,000 each.

1:37:15

And in terms of expenses for this previous

1:37:17

meeting, that balance

1:37:20

will apparently decrease by about 200,000.

1:37:24

Again, if there are any

1:37:26

inaccuracies, there are two reports. These are statements

1:37:29

for the accounts opened by Olga Romanova

1:37:33

specifically for the KS in Sberbank and

1:37:36

a Yandex wallet.

1:37:37

In the correspondence among KS members in recent days

1:37:40

there were questions. There is a small flow

1:37:44

of donations from non-KS members. All these

1:37:46

figures are contained in these reports. In

1:37:48

principle, the system is working. I think

1:37:51

there is no need to change anything in that respect.

1:37:56

Does anyone have any questions?

1:38:05

Your conduct,

1:38:06

yes?

1:38:10

I simply want to ask all colleagues

1:38:12

while we are all still here,

1:38:14

to please sign the statement that we

1:38:16

have just unanimously adopted and approved.

1:38:18

During the break, everyone was given the fourth

1:38:22

fourth page

1:38:24

of this statement. Please put on it

1:38:26

uh,

1:38:28

your initials,

1:38:30

surname, signature, and date.

1:38:33

Everyone

1:38:36

was additionally given a sheet.

1:38:37

conduct as well. Well, I would like to draw your

1:38:39

attention to the fact that this was a statement not

1:38:40

about conduct, but on another item on the agenda

1:38:42

for the day. And I still suggest we return to

1:38:45

considering the budget issue, take

1:38:46

note of it, and then we can

1:38:48

come back to considering

1:38:50

this issue. But not like this.

1:38:53

Come on. Right now we have 23

1:38:54

people standing. Yes,

1:38:56

those who, based on the information

1:38:58

that was handed out, and who managed to

1:38:59

read it, can on the first page

1:39:02

write their surname, patronymic, and home

1:39:04

address. Yes, this is necessary for

1:39:06

submitting the application. On the last page

1:39:08

write your surname, first name, patronymic, and the date,

1:39:10

then sign it.

1:39:12

Is that all correct? Yes.

1:39:13

Yes, that's all correct. Yes, on the first page

1:39:15

it was handed out earlier and is located at the bottom of

1:39:18

the materials that were distributed

1:39:19

for the meeting.

1:39:21

Can't hear anything.

1:39:25

I repeat once again, everyone has a statement

1:39:27

to the Investigative Committee.

1:39:29

In order for it to launch the procedure,

1:39:31

those of you who have had time to

1:39:33

review it, and who have enough information

1:39:35

to make a decision, need to write

1:39:37

your surname, first name, patronymic, and home

1:39:38

address on the first page. And

1:39:40

in addition, everyone was given one more

1:39:42

sheet, which is the final page of

1:39:43

this statement. There you should write your surname,

1:39:46

first name, patronymic, add your signature and the date.

1:39:49

digit

1:39:51

that is, well, those who are ready to do this now

1:39:54

should do so.

1:39:55

Accordingly, Nikolai Bondarik arrived,

1:39:57

we have taken the budget under advisement, if

1:39:59

there are, yes, that is, the budget committee

1:40:01

has reported on the money that was collected in cash

1:40:02

by members of the Coordination Council and has not

1:40:05

reported on the money that

1:40:06

comes in cashlessly to the Yandex wallet and to

1:40:09

the account at Sberbank. And the only

1:40:12

question—once the answer is given, the issue is

1:40:14

completely settled.

1:40:20

And the wallet—apparently Olga's wallet—

1:40:22

Romanova's wallet at the rally and the open collection

1:40:26

on December 18, 2011, has nothing to do with the Coordination Council

1:40:29

of the opposition.

1:40:32

For example, money was collected into that wallet

1:40:35

for the event in 2013

1:40:38

which was organized and held by

1:40:40

civic activists.

1:40:44

Friends, yes, here I want to immediately express

1:40:47

my gratitude to Olga Kordovsova and Igor

1:40:50

Chekasov, activists from St. Petersburg,

1:40:52

who contributed their, so to speak,

1:40:54

intellectual effort. So, in response

1:40:56

to the authorities' actions, I propose a plan

1:40:58

of concrete measures aimed

1:41:00

directly and specifically at fighting

1:41:01

the regime. We need to understand that for Politburo 2.0

1:41:04

our country is a source of personal

1:41:05

enrichment. Everything not directly connected

1:41:07

with exporting raw materials and

1:41:09

servicing the elite, they view as

1:41:11

non-core assets subject to

1:41:12

disposal. We need to understand that the authorities

1:41:14

keep public-sector workers at the minimum level, below which

1:41:16

mass unrest would begin again.

1:41:18

That minimum will not be lowered,

1:41:20

because the authorities are interested in

1:41:21

stability. What will be reduced is the amount of

1:41:23

profit that Politburo 2.0

1:41:24

extracts from the occupied country.

1:41:26

Most importantly, this is a moral choice

1:41:28

for every citizen. It declares: "We do not

1:41:30

feed Putin. In war, every small

1:41:32

battle brings a great victory closer. Every one of our

1:41:35

seemingly small steps, just like

1:41:36

a small battle. These points do not require

1:41:38

sacrifices or hardship from our fellow citizens.

1:41:41

On the contrary, they help them preserve their

1:41:43

money, health, time, and energy. Boycott and

1:41:46

profit. So, first, it is proposed to

1:41:49

boycott Sberbank, VTB, and other

1:41:52

banks under direct

1:41:53

state control. A boycott of

1:41:55

Alfa-Bank as belonging to member of

1:41:57

Politburo 2.0, Fridman; mass

1:41:58

simultaneous closure of accounts and

1:42:00

bank cards, as well as mass

1:42:02

simultaneous non-payment by citizens of

1:42:04

motor vehicle taxes. Specific safety guidance is available

1:42:06

on the website of the Federation

1:42:08

of Russian Car Owners and on other

1:42:09

resources. From this point, for now, I have

1:42:11

excluded, that is, non-payment of other

1:42:13

taxes, because here, naturally,

1:42:16

legal consultation is needed.

1:42:19

will want to come to this Olympics

1:42:20

and be fleeced once again; yes, everyone knows

1:42:22

what the level of service is, and the level of service

1:42:24

in Sochi, yes, so I propose that

1:42:26

people simply not take part in this during that period.

1:42:28

Not participate in anything.

1:42:33

Again, again, a boycott is

1:42:34

fun, a boycott is effective, yes,

1:42:37

a boycott is completely safe, yes. We

1:42:38

simply do not go there. We watch

1:42:40

sports for free there, I don't know, at home

1:42:42

on television. And further, yes, from this

1:42:46

point, in coordination with Okhneny, I

1:42:53

removed the point about, well, ethnic

1:42:56

groups, because that caused them

1:42:58

serious irritation. Well, that is

1:42:59

not the main thing. The main thing is a boycott of this

1:43:01

Olympics. And we will not give our children

1:43:03

to Putin. Here is the fifth point: a boycott

1:43:05

of military conscription. Since Putin generously

1:43:07

grants Russian citizenship to all residents

1:43:09

of Central Asia and the South Caucasus, then let him

1:43:10

recruit there people who like scrubbing toilets

1:43:12

with toothbrushes and building imperial

1:43:14

Those who want to acquire military

1:43:16

skills can enlist for contract

1:43:18

service. Another point is promoting the purchase

1:43:21

of goods online from abroad.

1:43:24

We save money, paying for the same product

1:43:25

one and a half to two times less. So,

1:43:27

accordingly, we are, in a sense, undermining

1:43:29

the economic efficiency of this

1:43:31

state machine. Right. And the seventh

1:43:34

point, again, is that we do not pay Putin VAT and

1:43:36

taxes. And the eleventh point, I foresee, will

1:43:39

perhaps cause some

1:43:41

disagreements here, but nevertheless, the base in

1:43:43

Ulyanovsk. I believe it is beneath the dignity of

1:43:47

a great power to have on its

1:43:48

territory a base belonging to a military bloc of which it

1:43:51

is not a member. We are not in NATO,

1:43:54

therefore we should not have

1:43:56

NATO bases on our territory. We do not

1:43:58

help the United States in the genocide of Afghans. We do not

1:44:01

want to participate, even indirectly, in someone else’s

1:44:03

war. We do not want to provide our

1:44:05

territory for drug trafficking.

1:44:07

The Opposition Coordination Council demands

1:44:09

the withdrawal of the NATO base from Ulyanovsk. That is the kind of

1:44:11

point I propose we discuss as well. Although

1:44:14

I foresee some objections, I can

1:44:16

say that at least citizens,

1:44:20

our compatriots, will see that we are, in

1:44:22

general, not grant-suckers, yes, and we are

1:44:24

not grant-eaters. We are people, we are Russians, we are

1:44:27

citizens of this country, interested first and foremost

1:44:29

in our own country, not in whether

1:44:32

someone in the West likes us or

1:44:33

doesn’t. Frankly, I do not care whether I am liked

1:44:35

in the West or not. What matters is that

1:44:37

we are liked here, by our

1:44:39

voters, by our people. And

1:44:41

no mechanisms have been proposed for their

1:44:44

actual implementation. Well, there are points

1:44:47

that cause confusion there, such as

1:44:49

the boycott of migrants and their market stalls.

1:44:53

For my part, I proposed

1:44:54

focusing on the last point,

1:44:56

which, it seems to me, lies

1:44:58

within the realm of reality. To try

1:45:02

to organize the existing

1:45:04

protest activists horizontally in at least

1:45:06

two or three major cities—we really

1:45:09

can do that. And we, as the Left Front, have

1:45:12

tried to work on this. And some success

1:45:15

was even achieved, relatively speaking, along

1:45:16

this path. If the Coordination Council, with its

1:45:19

media and other resources,

1:45:20

joined in, it would be a very

1:45:22

big step. Everything else, it seems to me,

1:45:24

is just wishful thinking and simply,

1:45:28

should be taken under advisement and not discussed until

1:45:32

a proposal is made regarding the method of

1:45:34

implementation. Thank you.

1:45:36

One speech in defense of this

1:45:39

resolution.

1:45:41

Ah, Ilya, by the way,

1:45:42

dear colleagues, I, uh, want to draw

1:45:46

your attention to the fact that we all interact

1:45:48

with people. Apart from

1:45:51

our Coordination Council, each of us has

1:45:53

broad horizontal networks of

1:45:56

communication. I can assure you of that. Wait,

1:45:59

do not interrupt. I did not interrupt you.

1:46:01

Of all the points that

1:46:04

of all

1:46:07

I call the members to order, please do not

1:46:09

speak out in

1:46:10

what kind of educational institution did you even study at

1:46:13

microphone.

1:46:15

I want to draw attention to one point

1:46:18

from the rather long list that was

1:46:22

mentioned.

1:46:24

It is a hunger strike in support of political

1:46:26

prisoners. You can joke about it. Fine.

1:46:30

About who fasted for how long. I can tell

1:46:33

those present that I, for example, once

1:46:35

in Lefortovo (a Moscow prison) went on hunger strike for 12 days, three

1:46:38

of them without water. I am ready to do it again.

1:46:41

The rules of procedure contain Article 45 on absentee

1:46:44

voting. In it there is a final,

1:46:45

there is no text of the rules right now. There is

1:46:46

a final sentence, which reads

1:46:48

as follows: After approval

1:46:50

of the final version of the Coordination Council’s rules of procedure,

1:46:52

absentee voting may not be used for

1:46:54

questions concerning amendments to the rules of procedure

1:46:57

of the Coordination Council. Accordingly, the ambiguity arose

1:47:00

because of the word “final.” And

1:47:02

indeed, any issue can be discussed

1:47:05

only if that

1:47:06

issue is on the agenda; this one is not.

1:47:08

Second, when an issue is on the agenda

1:47:11

and we have voted to consider it, after that

1:47:14

the procedure described in

1:47:16

the rules is followed: the presenter speaks, then

1:47:18

the question is: “You can do this yourself, or

1:47:20

someone from the council, someone else, can

1:47:23

speak with a different opinion on the matter;

1:47:25

time limits may be announced, after which

1:47:27

the vote takes place.”

1:47:31

I propose removing this issue from

1:47:34

consideration as unprepared.

1:47:36

Thank you. On personal motions.

1:47:38

Which issue? Yours.

1:47:40

Yours.

1:47:41

And what exactly here is unprepared?

1:47:42

It is not on the agenda. That is the issue. I know what

1:47:45

this is about, so I ask for

1:47:47

review.

1:47:48

order, please. Colleagues, may I? We

1:47:51

spend a lot of time every time on

1:47:55

electing the chair. If we elect one,

1:47:57

and vest him with authority, then let

1:47:58

him conduct the meeting himself and put forward, if he

1:48:00

has the right to put even some

1:48:03

exotic questions to an advisory

1:48:04

vote, to an advisory vote

1:48:06

for consideration before the session. Thank you.

1:48:09

Then we will not need, as many

1:48:11

are calling for, to expel hecklers and

1:48:14

to burn out this, as it were, with a hot iron.

1:48:16

A great many worthy people were left out.

1:48:18

People who did not get through, perhaps

1:48:19

because of the meme-makers or something else, but they

1:48:21

did not make it. In this way, we would simply

1:48:23

bring them into the work, at least with the right

1:48:24

to an advisory vote. And at most, we would

1:48:27

expand representation, and that would be better

1:48:29

for all of us. Thank you.

1:48:32

Konstantin Grov,

1:48:34

I support this proposal both for the

1:48:37

reasons that have already been stated, and

1:48:39

for the following one as well. We all understand perfectly well

1:48:41

that the first composition of the Coordinating Council, uh, was, in

1:48:45

general, to a significant extent, if I may

1:48:47

use the word, accidental.

1:48:49

First of all,

1:48:51

granting decisive voting powers

1:48:54

to members—that is, candidates for the

1:48:56

Coordinating Council who were not elected

1:48:58

in the election does not correspond either to the spirit or

1:49:01

to the meaning of it. I revised it, taking into account the wishes

1:49:04

of our respected colleagues, both the wording and

1:49:06

the substance, so that

1:49:09

it would be broader, so to speak,

1:49:13

and the specialized group's freedom of action would be

1:49:16

greater than had been envisaged by the previous

1:49:18

version. Uh, what we are talking about is this:

1:49:21

yes, yesterday there was a meeting of some of the

1:49:24

participants in the information policy

1:49:26

group, consisting of Mr. Parkhomenko,

1:49:29

Bondarik, uh,

1:49:32

Detko,

1:49:34

and me, and accordingly we

1:49:36

all agreed on the need, uh,

1:49:39

to support such an initiative

1:49:42

to create this, uh, beginning of work on

1:49:45

this material. You may call it

1:49:47

the main one, or you may not—that is

1:49:48

not important—which would answer

1:49:50

the key questions of wavering citizens

1:49:53

who, judging by the polls,

1:49:54

are already disappointed in the regime, do not trust it,

1:49:57

and do not see it as representing their

1:49:58

interests. And one more issue that we

1:50:00

discussed concerned, uh, preparations

1:50:03

for protest actions, yes, and as the

1:50:05

information group we considered

1:50:06

what forms of campaigning could

1:50:08

be used there. And one of the methods

1:50:11

that had not previously been used, yes,

1:50:12

is a kind of visual presence on

1:50:14

the street. That is, in almost any European

1:50:16

city, you immediately see that politics

1:50:18

is present there, because you can see many

1:50:20

political posters. In Russia, this

1:50:21

does not exist. And not only because our

1:50:23

country is different, but because major resources

1:50:25

are thrown into suppressing it.

1:50:27

The allotted meeting time is 4 hours.

1:50:30

If, uh, we want to extend the meeting by

1:50:33

another hour, then we need

1:50:36

to hold a vote on that. Right now it is exactly

1:50:38

4 hours since we began the meeting

1:50:41

here. Well, without the chair, our

1:50:45

meeting started at 12:25. Let us

1:50:48

I think wrap up within another 10 minutes

1:50:49

with what remains.

1:50:50

There are still formal issues left, of course,

1:50:52

right? And

1:50:55

accordingly, who wants to speak on

1:50:56

the resolution? Ilya Konstantinov.

1:50:58

Dear colleagues, this is a very serious

1:51:00

matter. Let us not really

1:51:02

turn it into a parody. I propose

1:51:04

that we instruct the working group on preparing,

1:51:07

so to speak, protest actions

1:51:09

to examine the possibility

1:51:12

of preparing and carrying out a serious

1:51:14

solidarity hunger strike, if that is

1:51:16

possible. This needs to be carefully

1:51:18

prepared for; let us assign it to the working group,

1:51:21

and at the next meeting let them

1:51:23

report to us, so to speak, on how

1:51:25

feasible this idea is. Thank you.

1:51:28

Accordingly, this resolution

1:51:30

is put to a vote. Who is in favor of its

1:51:31

adoption? In Konstantinov's form, or in that form.

1:51:36

It seems to me that the candidacy proposed

1:51:38

by our colleague Yelfond solves this problem

1:51:43

and is, in my opinion, a worthy one.

1:51:45

Our colleague is one of the most

1:51:47

active members of the Coordinating Council.

1:51:50

Only today, for some reason, he is not

1:51:51

taking part. But in general he is quite

1:51:54

active, so it is a good

1:51:55

candidate, and it seems to me that we could

1:51:58

support him.

1:52:00

Well,

1:52:02

regarding the fact that you do not—why do you not

1:52:06

want to listen to the person who, who

1:52:09

invited her? Please explain.

1:52:11

So, you may turn off the microphone

1:52:12

as much as you like. Your empty seats,

1:52:14

which remain empty—you yourselves will turn into

1:52:16

nobodies.

1:52:18

Thank you.

1:52:23

Last question. Is there anything under miscellaneous

1:52:25

that could be discussed?

1:52:26

You

1:52:27

Oh, you

1:52:30

the question of the executive secretary,

1:52:31

which Anton introduced.

1:52:37

And what exactly is the proposal?

1:52:43

Dear colleagues, dear colleagues, I

1:52:45

would still

1:52:47

ask you to pay attention to the fact that

1:52:50

a vote of this kind

1:52:52

should not be included.

1:52:55

All right, all right, if you will allow us your

1:52:58

microphone

1:53:02

we will work through this issue; if Andrei

1:53:04

Nikolaevich is right, then the relevant

1:53:08

questions are not

1:53:08

No, wait, what do you mean by 'work through it'?

1:53:11

A moment ago you said quite definitely that in any case

1:53:13

people have already left by now. Let us

1:53:15

close the meeting and

1:53:18

no one has checked it with you, as far as it

1:53:20

is correct. Maybe Maxim Kas has

1:53:22

a different point of view. I'm tired.

1:53:25

That's it, the session is now closed.

1:53:27

Thank you to everyone who

1:53:28

I ask everyone for a statement.

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