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Yes, but let's just not

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block those who are still

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sitting down, so they can see.

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I am very grateful that you came.

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I’m very glad that people come to these

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meetings. I hold a lot of them. I hold

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three such meetings every weekday and

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five such meetings every weekend.

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People come, and by doing so they confirm that

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our campaign team was right when we said

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that this is the candidate’s main task.

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A candidate’s job is to come and meet

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with people. Maybe some think

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that there’s no need to go around courtyards and

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meet in groups of 80 people, and that

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all you need to do is use television to

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brainwash people. But I am absolutely

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convinced that the most important duty

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of a candidate who wants to gain

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power is this: come and talk to

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people. If you want power, then

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go to those people. No one but them will

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really help you.

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I’d like to begin by

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briefly telling you about myself, and then I’ll

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be very happy to answer any

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questions you have.

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My name is Alexei Navalny.

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Alexei Anatolyevich Navalny.

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I am 37 years old. For the past 17 years I have lived in

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the Maryino district with my wife. We now live

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as a family of four: me, my wife, and our two children. In

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that sense, we are a completely ordinary

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Moscow family. My son is 11 years old, and

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he goes to the local school. My daughter is 5

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years old, and she goes to an ordinary local kindergarten.

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By profession, I am a lawyer. I have two

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higher education degrees. I graduated from

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the law faculty of the Peoples’ Friendship University

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and also graduated from the Financial

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Academy under the Government of the Russian Federation.

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I come from a military family, and throughout my childhood

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I moved around various small military

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towns from one place to another until

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I moved to Moscow. And my parents still

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live in one of the military towns outside Moscow.

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If you’ve heard anything about my

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activities over the past few years,

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then you’ve probably heard of me

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as that controversial minority

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shareholder. Navalny sues

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Gazprom, Navalny sues

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Rosneft, Navalny demands that

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Yakunin be held accountable. Navalny

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wants to jail this one, Navalny wants

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to jail that one. Maybe you’ve heard

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that we created our Anti-Corruption Foundation (ACF),

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which works on

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monitoring public procurement. We challenged,

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successfully challenged, and got canceled

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corrupt tenders worth hundreds of, probably,

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millions of rubles. And the exact figure, if

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you count all the procurements, is 59 billion

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rubles. And I’m very often asked: “Why

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do you do all this?” Friends, could I ask this

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section over here to move a little?”

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Because I can see that over there, there are rows of people

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sitting and they can’t see anything. There, that way

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it’ll be more convenient for everyone. Thank you very much.

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And I’m very often asked: “Why

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do you do all this, and why are you always

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going after them?” Well, everyone understands that

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there is corruption everywhere, everyone steals, but you’re the only one

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who keeps going around filing complaints against everyone with the

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prosecutor’s office. The prosecutor’s office refuses, and then

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you sue the prosecutor’s office. And it’s this endless

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hunt for all sorts of

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corrupt officials. What, do you need it more than anyone else?

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Did someone personally steal something from you

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or what?”

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So I’d like to begin our meeting by

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answering exactly that question

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so that all of you understand why

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I keep going after all these Gazproms,

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Rosnefts, and government officials.

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If I can explain that to you, then you’ll probably

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also understand why I ended up here, on this stage

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in the first place.

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I truly believe that

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they stole from me personally. I simply

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calculated everything in terms of myself and my

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family.

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And it seems to me that if you now

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do the math with me,

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everything will become clear. Look,

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Russia is the number one seller of oil, gas, and

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basic processed metals. That makes up 80% of our

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economy. Unfortunately, for the most part

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we do little else. We sell

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raw materials.

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Over the past 15 years, from selling raw materials

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Russia has received $3 trillion. During

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these Putin years, that’s exactly the $3 trillion

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we received. Is that a lot or

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a little?

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A lot.

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Quite a lot.

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Quite a lot. It’s actually hard even to say

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whether that’s a lot or a little, because

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the amount is enormous. But it’s also

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hard for an individual person to grasp. I can’t

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grasp it either. I can’t imagine

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what $3 trillion really means. But there is another

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figure I can imagine very clearly.

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If I take those $3 trillion

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and divide them among every citizen

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of the Russian Federation, then we find out

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that for each and every one of us, from

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infants to hundred-year-old seniors,

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the share comes to 640,000 rubles. That is the share

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each of us has in the oil wealth

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that was extracted and sold: 640,000 rubles.

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And I took a calculator and worked out that

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for my family of four

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that comes to 2.5 million rubles.

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And I go after Gazprom, Rosneft, and

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the Russian government because I want

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an answer to the question: where are my 2.5

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million rubles

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Well, yes, you can't collect them in cash at a teller's window

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in cash. You can't just come in and

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say: "Give me my share of the

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oil and gas in cash right now."

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You can't do that. But then I at least want to understand

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where that money was spent. It was supposed to be

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spent for the benefit of me and my family, and

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for the benefit of you and your families. If we

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calculate 640,000 rubles for each person, the total

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will be enormous.

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There is no answer. I can see people of the older

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generation sitting here. You remember

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how in Soviet times, in the era of

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Brezhnev, the Soviet Union also received

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a lot of money from selling oil and gas.

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A huge amount of money—less than

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now, but still a lot. Where

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those Brezhnev-era

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petrodollars were spent, we know. We can

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argue about whether they were spent wisely or

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not, but we can definitely

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see the results. We can just stand up,

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look around, and we'll see the remnants

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of those Brezhnev-era petrodollars.

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Entire residential districts were built with that

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money, where apartments, by the way,

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were given out free of charge. There were built

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huge factories,

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giant plants were built across the

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country, Soviet science was created. And

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these research institutes (NII, Soviet scientific research institutes), which are now

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being rented out, are located all across

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Moscow and throughout the country.

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Railways, ordinary roads.

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The army. We maintained an enormous

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army, supported it, built it, armed it.

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We subsidized the countries of the socialist

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bloc around the world—half of Africa,

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half of Asia, half of Latin

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America. We know where that money

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went.

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But where have Putin's petrodollars gone,

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the ones that belong to us? A question for everyone

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gathered here. Who knows—who can

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name for me even one major

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industrial enterprise built in

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Russia over the last 15 years?

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I ask this question at every meeting.

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Every single one. This is already my thirty-

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fourth meeting like this with voters.

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And at not a single meeting has anyone

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named one for me. Well, because no such

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enterprise exists.

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I want to see where the railways are,

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built with Putin's money—or rather,

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with our money, received during Putin's

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time in office.

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I know the statistics showing that Russia

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builds as much railway in a year

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as China builds in a week. Even though

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China has neither oil nor gas.

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Show me my—our—modern

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space industry. All I see is

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a rocket that takes off and then

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crashes. Show me the science.

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The science that we are funding with those 3

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trillion dollars we received.

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There is nothing. All I see is the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAN),

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whose purpose seems to be to take away from those

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elderly academicians their real estate.

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Where is the infrastructure, where is the healthcare,

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where is the education that belongs to me, to my

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children, and to you. That is why I believe that I was

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personally robbed by all these people. I mean,

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I can see this list of billionaires in Russia.

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I see the statistics: in 2000, do you know

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how many officially recognized dollar

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billionaires there were in Russia? Six. And now

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do you know how many there are? 121.

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The main record that Russia has set

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is the rate of growth in the number of dollar

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billionaires.

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The main record Russia is setting

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is that all the houses in London

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worth more than a million pounds

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are being bought by Russian officials. Am I supposed to

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be proud of that? No. I believe that

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I was personally robbed. It's as if

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I were riding on a trolleybus and had

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my 640,000 rubles—my share of the oil

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rent—in my pocket, and someone stuck a hand into my pocket and

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pulled it out. They took it from my family, and from you, and from all of

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you as well. That is why I will never

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leave Gazprom alone, nor

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Rosneft, nor Transneft, nor this whole

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other group of people

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that simply took the 3 trillion dollars received

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from the sale of our natural resources

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for themselves. And here, at this

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point, I am addressing you now as

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a candidate for mayor of Moscow who wants

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to earn your support. I want to earn

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your support. I want you to vote

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for me.

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I want you to tell others about

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me. I came here to persuade you.

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I am telling you that I am standing here

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first and foremost because I am the most

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ordinary, simple Muscovite, living

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in an ordinary building, the life of an ordinary

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Moscow family. And all the problems I am

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talking about here are not even problems that

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you experience—they are my problems.

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These are my problems. I want to solve the problems

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my family has faced.

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I am talking to you here about housing and utilities services. Not

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because I know that this issue

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worries you. It worries

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me. For my apartment in a

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panel apartment block, I get a bill for 9,500

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rubles. It's outrageous. And I

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understand that I am not receiving services worth

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that amount. I understand that the tariff

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keeps rising. I want to become the mayor who

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will finally conduct an audit of housing and utilities tariffs,

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so that we can finally understand why we

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are paying so much. Why does Mosvodokanal

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the state-owned company made

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a profit of 3 billion rubles in 2011,

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and in 2012 they still

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raised the water tariff? They operate at a

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net profit. Our company operates

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with a net profit of 3 billion, and the tariff still

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keeps going up. I want to conduct an audit,

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so that everyone can see it—you can see it, and I can

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see it too.

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The things that happen

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when tariffs are set are astonishing. Did you know,

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for example, that when last year you

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paid for electricity and heating in your

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home, you were also paying for sponsorship support to

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United Russia (the ruling political party) in the amount of 200 million rubles. Mosenergo

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transferred them a donation of 200 million

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rubles, building it into the tariff.

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They justify it, they come to City Hall,

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and say: "Here are our urgent expenses,

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without which we cannot survive."

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And there is a line item there: "Support for United Russia

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200 million rubles."

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I want to become the mayor who will carry out

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an audit of this tariff and expose,

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once and for all, all these nonexistent

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investment components, these construction projects

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that exist only on paper, which they include there, but in

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reality no one ever carries out. I do not want

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to pay for that. I am sure you do not

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want to pay for it either. The example I

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give at every rally is about the head of the district administration in my area,

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from Maryino. You may have

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seen how a month ago he was removed from

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office. He was removed because his

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wife—you probably saw it on television—while in

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an SUV, ran into pedestrians.

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The pedestrians filmed the whole thing. There was

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a scandal, and the district head was fired. That SUV,

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remember? It was a Range Rover with

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the license plate 999.

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And this man, the district head,

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has spent his whole life in municipal service. He

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was head of the district administration in Nekrasovka,

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then in Lyublino, then in my

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district, Maryino. His whole life in

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municipal service. He has a decent

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salary, but by his official level of

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income, he should, generally speaking, be worse off than

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me. But he openly lives the life

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of a dollar millionaire, without any

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embarrassment before me, or all the residents

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of the district, or anyone. And I do not want to pay for

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through my 9,500-ruble utility bill his

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millionaire lifestyle. That is why I want to become

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the mayor who will put a stop to all this. I came here

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to your district and climbed onto this

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stage.

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Because, just like you, I go to

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an ordinary city clinic. And my

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wife goes to an ordinary city

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clinic

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or to a children's clinic when she

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takes the children. And just like you, I can be

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shown a TVC (Moscow city television channel) report a million times,

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with the triumphant, beaming Sergei

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Semyonovich Sobyanin telling us that we have

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this wonderful electronic appointment system.

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Come to this electronic registration desk and

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you will get to see a doctor right away. Well, that is

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nonsense. I have gone to an ordinary clinic, I do not

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live on Rublyovka (an elite, wealthy area outside Moscow). You are all nodding

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your heads, because everyone knows this. We, we

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go to ordinary clinics,

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but we cannot get in to see a doctor. And do you know

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by how much

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more funding for healthcare any

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resident of Moscow receives compared with

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any other Russian? By how much more

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is allocated to a Muscovite, by what percentage more

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is allocated to a Muscovite than to any

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other person? Who knows?

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By 70.

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By 70%? Any other ideas?

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Four times as much. Four times

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as much is allocated for every person sitting

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here as for any other

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citizen of Russia. For every person,

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everyone standing here, and every Muscovite,

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the amount allocated for outpatient clinic

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care

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is 20,000 rubles a year. So for my family

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of four, that is 80,000 rubles.

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That is a huge amount of money. And I am simply

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curious. Please raise your hands,

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those of you who went to your local

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clinic in the past year.

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I see. Some of you did. And who did not go to your

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local clinic? Aha. Let me tell you,

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my friends, 20,000 rubles was also written off for each of you

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as well.

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I want to become the mayor who will direct these enormous

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funds that are already being allocated toward making sure

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that, at long last, general practitioners,

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internists, and the doctors

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Muscovites need in 90% of cases are actually hired.

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Just tell me this: is it easy to get an

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ultrasound in an ordinary clinic?

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You all tell me: "No, go

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to any metro station, and there is

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one of Sobyanin's little campaign booths there, and under

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Sobyanin's achievements, the first thing listed

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is: 'Bought 1,200 ultrasound machines

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for Muscovites.' It gives the impression that he personally went out

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and bought us 1,200 ultrasound machines. But I

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know that it is impossible to get an ultrasound. We

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are all forced to go to private, paid

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ultrasound providers, because getting one at a clinic

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is extremely difficult.

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I want to become the mayor who will make sure that the enormous

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amounts of money allocated for equipment

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are not spent on buying

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that equipment at twice the price, but instead

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on making it possible

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to actually get an ultrasound. Because sometimes an ultrasound is needed by

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my wife, my children, and me.

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And apparently, as I get older, I will need ultrasounds more often,

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like any other

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person. This is about caring for a normal life.

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I am standing here before you because

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the issue of migration does not simply

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concern me,

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it has become part of my life. Because

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when I was preparing for this meeting with you, I

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looked at what people here are writing about

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migration issues, all these outcries. Here you have

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that former state farm right here,

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what is it called?

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Teplichny

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Teplich,

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where an illegal migrant camp has been located for two years

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of migrants,

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and I looked into its history carefully

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several times orders were issued

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stating that it had to be

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shut down, that all of it was illegal,

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and yet it is still there.

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Funny thing, right? At the Matveyevsky

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market, what happened? Dagestanis

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beat up a police officer. In response,

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the Moscow government created

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a concentration camp where 200

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Vietnamese people are being held.

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What is that supposed to be? Please, go to

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that Teplichny place. I invite Sobyanin as well,

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and everyone else to my district, Maryino,

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to take a walk in my Maryinsky Park after

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9:00 p.m. Then he will understand why

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the women living in my building are afraid

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to go outside in the evening.

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And then he will learn that for me this

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crime statistics are not just numbers

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on a sheet of paper. I know because I personally know

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several people, several women, from whom

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these migrants snatched handbags.

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And I know it very well.

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Why do migrants come here? I want

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to become mayor because I know that

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migrants come here not because

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there are jobs here, but because people profit

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off them. So let us simply

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take a quick poll. Who knows how much

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their district janitor earns? Who has

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asked a janitor what his salary is?

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10.

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10

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7

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7

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21

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4, 21

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10

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10

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And how much is he allocated for that?

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15

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12

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Here is the interesting part. If all of us

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read together the interview with

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Sobyanin's deputy Biryukov, who

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is precisely responsible for this area, or

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simply look at the official standard, which I

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have looked at. The current official

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pay standard for janitors tells us

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that there are no janitors in Moscow

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who earn less than 30,000 rubles.

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Yes, the funny thing is that any real, live

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janitors we

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speak to give us figures like 10, 15,

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8, 4, 5. My janitor told me 18.

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And this is the kind of secret all

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Muscovites know: these migrants are brought here

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in order to keep them virtually as slaves

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30 people to a basement. Because

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each of them, out of his salary,

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kicks back 10,000-15,000 rubles every month.

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And this is a colossal—just imagine it—

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river of cash. It is hundreds

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of millions of rubles that simply every

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month flow like a huge, full river.

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Along the route: the management company, the housing service,

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the district administration, the prefecture, the police precinct,

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the migration service, and so on, and so

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forth. I want to become the mayor who will

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change this, because I do not want

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migrant-related crime and

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so on. This is my problem, one that I

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personally face. I do not live like Sobyanin behind

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a fence on Rublyovka (an elite area outside Moscow), with reports brought

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to me. No,

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this is part of my life. I am standing here

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before you because I follow the budget

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process very

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closely, I watch carefully how

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money is spent in Moscow. I know the size

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of the Moscow city budget. Who can

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tell me what Moscow's annual budget is?

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1.6—1.6 trillion rubles. Moscow's budget

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is smaller only than the budgets of

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New York and Shanghai. All of us sitting and

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standing here must understand one

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important thing: we live in one of

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the richest cities in the world.

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And the richest cities of Europe and America

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simply cannot even come close

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to comparing with Moscow in terms of

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wealth. With the money we already

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have right now,

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Muscovites could already have good

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healthcare, quality

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education,

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roads where traffic jams are being successfully

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fought,

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a small number of migrants on the streets

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and all the other things that residents

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of major cities around the world enjoy.

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They have all of that there; they have problems too, but

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they deal with them successfully. And I am standing here

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before you because I have written

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a program that was prepared for me by the best

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specialists, based on the experience of

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how other cities successfully solved

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all these problems. We can solve them all,

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and we have the money

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to solve these problems. You know,

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if I were standing here

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running for mayor of Kostroma,

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and all of you were residents of Kostroma, you would say to me:

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"Navalny, here you are

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you're running for office, and we demand that you

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build us another outpatient clinic." And I would tell you

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— my dear residents of Kostroma — there is no money

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in our budget. You won't be getting

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a clinic, and I won't make easy

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promises that can't be kept. But I'm

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running for mayor of Moscow. So I tell you

20:27

— my dear Muscovites — in our

20:29

budget there is more than enough money for everything.

20:35

We have everything we need to live normally in

20:37

Moscow: we have a city, we have

20:40

infrastructure, we have a very

20:42

highly educated population that

20:44

is capable of managing all of it. We have

20:46

everything. The only thing we lack is faith in ourselves. For some reason

20:49

we've simply decided that

20:52

nothing can be changed. At every

20:53

meeting, someone comes up to me,

20:55

shrugs, and says: "Well,

20:57

all of this is true. We know all this.

20:59

Everything you've said is already known.

21:01

But nothing can be changed."

21:04

But why can't it be changed? I came here

21:07

because I believe it can

21:09

be changed. But why have we accepted

21:11

that there is this system of power

21:14

that robs us, insults us,

21:16

simply despises us,

21:18

and we just say, well, fine, that's the

21:21

way things are. Show me — I don't know —

21:24

is there an army standing here guarding us? No, I

21:27

think there's maybe one police officer somewhere here

21:28

keeping watch over us, and that's all. Meanwhile, here

21:31

through your own district runs this

21:32

North-Western Chord (a major Moscow highway project), right? Yes.

21:35

Yes.

21:35

And everyone says about this whole North-Western Chord

21:37

in unison that it costs 83 billion rubles. And

21:40

all transport experts tell

21:42

us that, first, from a transport

21:44

standpoint it's fairly pointless,

21:46

and second, it costs twice as much

21:48

as it should. Its original

21:50

estimate was 30 billion rubles, and now it has risen to

21:52

83.

21:54

But we all know that in the construction of

21:56

the North-Western Chord, this one project,

21:58

enough money will be stolen to pay for

22:01

the construction of additional outpatient clinics

22:03

and schools — not just in the

22:04

North-Western District, but across

22:06

all of Moscow. We know all this, we

22:09

understand all this. We shrug and say:

22:11

"Well, nothing can be changed." That's the course of

22:12

things. But why is that the way things are? Are we

22:15

the stupidest? The most cursed,

22:18

the most pointless inhabitants of the planet,

22:20

or what? No — I'm standing here because

22:24

I believe that here is the source of power:

22:28

people choose the authorities. And mayors are

22:30

chosen by people — not the Central Election Commission,

22:33

not television, not Churov (former head of Russia's Central Election Commission). People choose.

22:36

This whole gang entrenched at the top

22:39

doesn't rule everyone through fear, but simply through

22:41

passivity. Because we

22:43

shrug our shoulders and think: "Well, nothing

22:45

can be changed." Everything can be changed. I

22:47

don't have the opportunity to appear on television.

22:48

I don't have the opportunity to plaster billboards everywhere.

22:51

But somehow you made it here.

22:53

I did let you know about my

22:55

presence. I announced it in my

22:57

program. And the persuasive, campaigning

22:59

ability of each one of you is

23:00

tremendous.

23:02

I believe that through you, through meetings like these,

23:04

I will speak with hundreds of thousands,

23:07

with millions of Muscovites. And in order to

23:09

elect the mayor of Moscow, we need 1.5 million

23:12

people. Moscow has a population of 15 million,

23:15

with 8 million voters. And in order to

23:18

elect a mayor, taking turnout into account, you need 1.5

23:19

million people. There are 1.5 million people in

23:23

Moscow who know everything and understand everything.

23:25

Each of those one and a half million could stand here

23:27

with me and say

23:28

exactly the same things.

23:30

Our task is simply to reach those

23:32

one and a half million. I am absolutely certain

23:37

that, relying on you, through you, I

23:39

will speak to hundreds of thousands. If we

23:41

cast off this stupor,

23:44

if we finally understand that on the

23:45

North-Western Chord they are stealing not just

23:47

billions, but our billions — they are depriving

23:50

us of clinics and schools, they are depriving us of

23:54

roads without traffic jams — then we can change

23:56

everything. We simply need to realize our

23:58

strength. We will realize it, without fail. And I

24:01

am absolutely certain that with your help we

24:03

will put pressure on the authorities. We will force them

24:05

to change, and we will make sure that the authorities in

24:07

Moscow are worthy of its wonderful

24:09

residents. Thank you very much. I'm ready to answer

24:11

your questions.

24:13

Please. Thank you. Thank you. I'm very

24:15

pleased. All right, you're asking that, and I'll

24:17

repeat it for everyone afterward. So, I,

24:21

well, I've been fighting this for 19 years. This

24:24

North-Western... according to all their

24:27

documents, they took my apartment away from me

24:30

illegally, and my children were minors.

24:34

Uh, so they privatized it, and they

24:37

had me thrown into a psych ward, you know. No,

24:40

Well, the question is about the housing waiting list. I

24:42

understand.

24:43

No, not about the queue, but the thing is that

24:46

I'm on list number twenty-nine.

24:49

And I went to Churov, and they told me,

24:52

"Don't eat, don't drink, save up 3

24:55

rubles at a time and buy yourself a little house outside Moscow." So

24:59

that's how it was — I went to everyone. And, uh,

25:02

Natalia Alexeevna, I understand. Natalia

25:03

Alexeevna has a question. I'll answer

25:05

now. Thank you. The question is that she

25:09

has the right to receive an apartment.

25:11

Natalia Alexeevna, there are just a lot of us here,

25:12

a lot of people. If I spend too long listening

25:13

the question, then I’ll say it. And Sobyanin sent me,

25:16

well, the president sent me, well,

25:19

a letter to Sobyanin so that he would look into it, and

25:21

Sobyanin wrote back to me: "Why don’t you go to another

25:24

city of mine and look for housing there."

25:27

Sobyanin told Natalia Alexeyevna,

25:29

when she asked for the housing she is entitled to under

25:31

the law, that she should go to

25:33

another city and look for housing there. Am I

25:35

quoting that correctly?

25:36

Yes.

25:37

Well, listen, you recently read

25:40

Sobyanin’s statement saying that we would

25:41

build wonderful towns for

25:43

pensioners beyond the Urals and in the Russian Far

25:44

East.

25:46

Well, it’s funny, yes, a funny thing, but it

25:48

simply illustrates how much they

25:49

despise everyone, if they can make

25:52

statements like that, after which they

25:54

should get zero votes, but they are not

25:57

embarrassed at all. And as for the issue

25:59

of apartments, housing allocations, and

26:01

waiting lists, which I’m asked about at

26:03

every meeting—this is actually very simple.

26:07

Tell me, can any of you

26:09

go online or to some

26:12

library, look up the list, and

26:13

see the queue? Who is first in line,

26:15

who is second, who is third? Can that be

26:17

done right now?

26:18

No,

26:18

no.

26:20

I want to become the mayor who does

26:22

one simple thing.

26:24

Publish the entire list, so there is a list

26:27

of everyone waiting, from first to last,

26:30

a list of beneficiaries, a list of

26:32

super-priority beneficiaries. And so that everyone can

26:34

see it and monitor it, because

26:36

we buy a huge amount of housing

26:38

for beneficiaries. Only somehow all these

26:40

beneficiaries turn out to be

26:42

city hall employees. Here, at a preferential

26:46

price, you know, TV host

26:47

Vladimir Solovyov bought, as a beneficiary,

26:50

an apartment for 3 million rubles (about 30,000 USD), even though it was worth

26:52

30 million rubles (about 300,000 USD). Our TV host Andrei

26:54

Malakhov received an apartment on

26:56

Kropotkinskaya. That’s how this government works:

26:59

for some reason TV presenters, as beneficiaries,

27:01

get apartments even though they have their own

27:03

money. But you, Natalia Alexeyevna,

27:05

are being told to go to another city. And I

27:07

would be told the same thing if I had

27:09

the right to receive housing. That’s what they tell

27:11

everyone. So I want to become the mayor

27:13

who simply makes this transparent.

27:15

Just let everyone see it, and then no one will be able

27:17

to shove anyone into the line. It seems like

27:19

an elementary measure, but it’s an obvious one. Yes,

27:21

just publish the waiting list—but no one

27:23

does it. And do you know why they don’t? Well,

27:25

just go, quite simply,

27:27

for example, to the city

27:30

election commission’s website and look at

27:32

the list of candidates’ assets there. You’ll see mine,

27:34

for example. I have

27:36

a 78-square-meter apartment in Maryino. You’ll see my wife’s

27:40

car, some VAZ-2108,

27:43

which I bought back in 1996

27:45

and which is still listed under my name

27:46

because I sold it by power of attorney.

27:48

It’s all there. Look into me and my

27:50

property, and then go to the section for

27:52

Sobyanin, and you’ll see that, remarkably,

27:56

Sergei Semyonovich Sobyanin’s minor daughter

27:58

owns

28:00

an apartment of 308 square meters. I’ve

28:04

never even seen an apartment like that.

28:06

Explain to me how a person

28:09

who has been in public service since 2001 could

28:13

buy an apartment in the city center on

28:14

Rochdelskaya Street measuring 308 square meters.

28:19

If he came from Tyumen, an important

28:20

official arriving from Tyumen, then he should have been

28:22

given official housing, which perhaps

28:25

he might later be able to privatize.

28:27

Not his daughter—he himself. But I think

28:31

everyone here has dealt with housing

28:32

problems. Remind me, please,

28:34

what is the housing standard per person?

28:35

How many square meters?

28:36

18.

28:37

You all said it in unison. Eighteen. So how many

28:40

family members does Sergei Semyonovich

28:42

Sobyanin have, if he got an apartment of 308

28:44

square meters? That’s why the waiting list is opaque.

28:48

Because they give apartments to themselves.

28:51

That’s all. I want to become the mayor who

28:53

does one elementary, obvious, and very

28:54

simple thing. It could be done tomorrow:

28:56

just open up the waiting list, and then it will be clear

28:58

who is actually in line and who are these dubious

29:01

daughters with these mysterious 308-square-meter apartments.

29:03

Next question.

29:05

Please,

29:05

please tell me, for a year now we’ve been going

29:08

to rallies over this chord road (major arterial highway project). And now

29:10

they’ve already started building it. You say

29:12

that a huge amount of money has already been allocated. If

29:15

you become mayor, I have two questions. Will you

29:17

be able to stop this construction?

29:19

Probably not. And one more

29:22

question related to these events.

29:25

It’s very easy to fight this

29:27

migration by shutting down all the markets. But you

29:29

understand that Moscow can’t function without

29:31

markets. Today I went to Vykhino,

29:34

to the Vykhino market, where pensioners have always

29:36

bought everything at the lowest possible prices

29:38

all this time. So if you become

29:40

mayor, what will your policy be on

29:42

this?

29:42

Question number one. Thank you very much.

29:44

Excellent question. Question number one: what

29:45

to do about the chord road? The chord road is being built. So

29:47

if you become mayor, what will you do with

29:48

The chord? Question number two. So what would you

29:50

do about migrants? We’re all

29:51

unhappy. What will we do? Let’s start with

29:53

the chord. The markets and migrants.

29:54

Well, the markets. And that’s connected to

29:56

migrants.

29:58

With the chord, as with any other

30:01

construction project. The chord is not

30:03

the be-all and end-all. It’s

30:05

just very expensive, so people cite it as

30:07

an example, right? With the chord, we all know,

30:08

30 billion rubles will be stolen. There’s the Southern Rookada, which

30:12

costs 10 billion rubles. And everyone says that

30:14

it too is twice as expensive as it should be. On the Southern

30:16

Rookada, someone will pocket 5 billion

30:18

rubles.

30:20

The mayor’s job is to make sure the biggest

30:23

construction projects are approved or not approved

30:25

only after proper calculations are done. That seems

30:28

elementary, obvious even, right.

30:31

But if you take the issue of Vedomosti (a Russian business newspaper) from the day before yesterday

30:33

and read there

30:35

Sobyanin’s interview, he is asked:

30:37

"Sergei Semyonovich, what is your greatest

30:39

achievement?" And he answers: "My

30:42

very great achievement is that in

30:44

Moscow we launched three of the most

30:47

expensive construction projects in the world."

30:50

"We’re building roads." And it was very hard for us to do that

30:52

because there is no

30:54

strategy, no plan, no calculations.

30:57

I’m not joking, go read it. I’m not twisting

30:59

his words. He literally said: "I want to be the kind of

31:02

mayor who, before spending

31:04

38 or 83 billion rubles on something, will first make

31:08

a strategy, calculations, and a plan. That’s it.

31:11

The mayor’s job is to make sure that

31:13

the contractors are normal, legitimate

31:15

construction companies. Who is our

31:16

main road construction contractor

31:18

in Moscow right now? Who knows?

31:19

Rotenberg.

31:20

Rotenberg.

31:21

Rotenberg is one of those people from Putin’s circle—his judo coach

31:24

from the Soviet era.

31:25

Back in Soviet times he was a judo coach, and now he is our

31:27

main road builder in Moscow. And who, remind me,

31:29

please,

31:31

is the main contractor for metro construction

31:32

in Moscow right now?

31:33

Timchenko.

31:34

Timchenko? You know everything without me. He lives...

31:37

Timchenko,

31:38

the very same guy I’m constantly

31:39

suing, the main trader of Russian

31:42

oil. He gave up Russia,

31:43

a Finnish citizen, he gave up

31:46

Russian citizenship. A citizen

31:47

of Finland, living in Switzerland and

31:50

through his Swiss offshore

31:51

company selling Russian oil and

31:53

becoming an official billionaire with

31:55

a huge amount of money, he is now

31:57

building the metro for us. And, amazingly,

32:00

it also costs twice as much as it

32:01

should. So my task as

32:03

mayor is to make sure construction

32:05

projects are properly justified, that first

32:08

everything is calculated, then those who want

32:09

to criticize can criticize, and we understand

32:12

what the real cost should be. Then

32:14

we hire a real, proper

32:15

contractor, not Timchenko and Rotenberg,

32:17

who win these tenders with no real

32:19

competition at all. And only then do we start

32:21

spending money. That’s all. Well, in other words, nothing complicated...

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