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Move along.

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Big

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from here

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president

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carts.

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A traitor will not be president.

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Put Navalny in prison.

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Shame, shame, shame—Navalny, shame.

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A great situation

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American.

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Shame on the traitors to the Motherland.

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Shame on the traitors to the Motherland

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8

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Samara.

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Departure

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They're earning their money, damn it.

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spirits.

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Motherland

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shame shame

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shame shame shame. Zhdofy,

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don't drive him around

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the situation.

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Now that's a president,

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and this man wants to be president.

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This is the kind of person who wants to be president

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including media people as well.

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Hello.

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Please,

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My name is Leonid Volkov. I am the head

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of Alexei

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Navalny's campaign headquarters, excuse me. And I will introduce

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Alexei Navalny, candidate for

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president of Russia in the 2018 election.

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Thank you very much, Leonid. Thank you

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very much, dear friends, for coming.

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I am very glad to be in Ufa, glad to see

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such a lively political life here.

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It's absolutely amazing. Today, when we were met

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at the train station, food products were flying through the air.

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Apparently, the local authorities were demonstrating

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the high standard of living in this way. And

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you can see many amazing things here.

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For example, snowdrifts as high as

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a person. The last time I saw anything like that

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was when I was little, and

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my height, generally speaking, was much

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smaller. And this is our fifth headquarters. The first

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headquarters in a national republic. For us,

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this is an important region. And we are sure that our

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program, what we are offering, is very much

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needed here. And we are the only

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political force that is actually

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offering what the residents of

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Bashkortostan need, without exception. They will not

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be allowed to participate in power. In Bashkortostan there are

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Russian nationalists, Bashkir

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nationalists, Tatar nationalists.

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They are united by one thing: all of them are

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being crushed. They have no

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political representation. Everyone

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has been strangled because there must be only one

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United Russia. There are no democrats, no

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communists, nobody—only United

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Russia. We are the only ones who

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believe that yes, let them too

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register a party, let them run in

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elections.

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My question is: what is your view of

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the declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples?

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What do you see as the ways to protect the rights

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of indigenous peoples on the territory

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of the Russian Federation? And in general, how do you

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see it—what can you say about

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the federal structure? Does it need to be

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strengthened? Or perhaps move toward a

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confederation, and so on?

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So, the solution to these problems is

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simple. We need to give everyone freedom and give

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everyone political opportunities.

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Bashkir nationalists—I started with this—and Russian

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nationalists, and

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Bashkir nationalists, and Tatar

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nationalists—they have no political

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representation at all. From

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NOD activists to you, everyone has been pushed out from everywhere.

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United Russia has devoured the entire political

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space. And of course, I share

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the values of this declaration. Of course, I

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understand that there are republics like

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Bashkortostan, and a more

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radical example is Dagestan. There are

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Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs, and not everything can be

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resolved by simply

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outvoting one another. That is precisely

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why my main idea is

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to transfer power not even to the regional

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level, but to a lower level. City mayors,

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town mayors—in this particular locality

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the majority are Bashkirs.

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That is clear. Bashkirs make up the political

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representation there. Where there are Tatars, Tatars do.

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That is how real democracy works.

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The representative body of government, which you

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call the Kurultai, should

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be formed proportionally, taking all of this into account,

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because right now it is

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formed solely with regard to

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falsification, with regard to the wishes of United

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Russia, which wants to shove someone in.

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Say you are president, and your orders

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are simply ignored, brushed

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aside.

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They get stalled for half a year, 6 months, 8

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months, a year—your actions, that is.

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So there are two, well,

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Then I will not be that kind of president.

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If my orders, issued within the scope of my powers,

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are not carried out, I will

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remove those people or put them in prison. So

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that definitely will not happen with me. That is

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the first point. The second—well,

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the water intake issue is a huge problem.

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There is a city of over a million people there, and its water

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is being poisoned. But it is even a little funny

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that you came to the headquarters of a candidate

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who is not even being registered for the election.

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And you say: "The problem is not being solved. We are to

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People appealed to you three times, and you still

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haven't solved the problem. That, by the way,

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shows, well, excuse me, perhaps a certain

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irony there, yes, let me answer that. And

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it shows that, well, there are no

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mechanisms left in a normal system.

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The city's residents would simply have already

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elected a bloc of deputies that would have banned

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this construction. The best president

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for you will be me, because I am

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the only one who will give you the chance

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to work in peace. Thank you very much,

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dear friends. I am very glad. I

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hope that, as far as possible,

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I have answered your questions fully. Thank you

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very much.

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Sometime in May, we will begin training

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observers. If by June all of this

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has melted, then we will also begin street campaigning

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as well, if it gets, well, uh, drier,

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yes, a little cleaner, if that

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ever happens. Well, if not, then we'll have to do it

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anyway. So. That is, don't expect, you know,

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that tomorrow, so to speak, all across

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Ufa there will be Navalny leaflets everywhere. And that

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isn't necessary. A campaign has its own

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dramatic arc, yes, it should reach

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its peak in December, when we

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will be seeking the candidate's registration,

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and then in March, when we will be going into the election

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itself.

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But gradually, relying on the small

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modest resources of our headquarters, we will get this

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machine up and running, get to know everyone,

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figure out with each person how to work, how best

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to make use of your desire

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to help us, for which we are tremendously

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grateful. And little by little,

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little by little we'll finish building it, and the machine will start moving. That

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is, just so you understand. Now

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look,

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it's very cramped in here for you, cramped for us too, stuffy

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and so on, but that's because, well, this is a

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people's headquarters, created with people's

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money. In terms of our finances, yesterday we

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received 24,800,000 rubles. More than 20,000

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people. That means the average

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donation was 1,000 rubles, and the median was 500

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rubles. For some people, that is by no means

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spare money—far from it.

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So, okay, we didn't rent

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a big, huge, beautiful hall

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to hold the opening there. We

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invited you to the headquarters. Even if it's

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interesting here, we wanted you to see that this is a

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working headquarters. There will always be

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three or four people working here,

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who are paid a salary so that they can

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work here permanently, so that each

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of you who isn't paid a salary can

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still, at any moment, on any

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day when you have a free minute,

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come by, talk, get an assignment,

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pick up leaflets, and so on. So this is

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purely a workspace,

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maybe not a hangout spot, but rather

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a place for work. We hope you'll remember this address

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and come here when

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you have the time, the opportunity, and the desire

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to help. And the headquarters will do

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everything so that you can help, and so that it

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moves our common cause forward. And

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we have already printed a certain

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amount of materials, again with

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people's money, right? That is, literally

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someone sends 30 rubles or 50 rubles. And

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say, a car sticker is nice, but

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it's expensive—it costs about 150 rubles,

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I think. So sometimes that's the money

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of three people. Please treat them

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seriously. Really. Yes. These are not

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souvenirs, friends—these are things people

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donated money for. So if you take

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a car sticker, please put it on your car and

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drive around with it. If you take leaflets,

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please hand them out. Well, maybe

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that sounds a little harsh, but we also

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want to focus specifically on work and

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on making the most productive use

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of all these very modest

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resources that we have. That is,

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our headquarters is about work, and of course it is

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about a real, honest election

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campaign, the way it should be, when

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ordinary people, like those of you here, all kinds of

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different people, go out and tell other

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people about their candidate, about the ideas

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they believe in. Alexei Navalny.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much, dear friends. I am very

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glad to be here with you. Today I was simply

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given an absolutely fantastic welcome at the

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train station. You probably saw my post. At

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8:00 in the morning, you step out of your compartment

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like that—yes, at 8:00 in the morning, after pulling

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into the platform. It's dark. And on the platform there is literally

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a guy with a sign saying, "U.S. State Department agent"

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of the United States. Not even "Navalny, U.S. State Department agent,"

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just "U.S. State Department agent." There stands

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a guy with an American flag.

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I actually thought to myself, what does this

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look like from the outside? Like, imagine someone in the

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next railcar just traveling along. He arrives

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at the platform and thinks:

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"Good grief, it turns out

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our overseas masters are here." But this

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a little bit, on the one hand, shows

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the idiocy

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of this government; it shows that, well,

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they have absolutely nothing to say in response to us, nothing

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to say against us. But it also shows, in

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fact, how few of them there really are. Look,

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look, what day is it today? We are

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marking a sad date. Five years ago

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Putin was elected president of Russia. Five

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years ago, for the third time, uh, he became

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the absolute de facto ruler

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of the country. For five years he has been ruling, he

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he has built things in such a way that he has completely strangled all

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politics here. Not just here—everywhere. And what

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can he put up against us? Well,

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these guys right here. And I had no problem

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inviting them today to a debate, to a, uh, to a

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press conference. They say the same

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things I do, but then they add:

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"Well, Putin is good."

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There. This is an important thing that I already

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noticed about Bashkiria (Bashkortostan) at the

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press conference, based on the fact that

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we spoke with a lot of people there. Here

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people are unhappy with absolutely everything. Here, people are very

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deeply unhappy—the Bashkir

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nationalists, the Tatar nationalists, and

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the Russian nationalists. And all of them have been

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crushed. None of them are being allowed to live in peace.

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People here are unhappy with the mayor, unhappy

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with the governor, unhappy that

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Bashneft was taken away. And, broadly speaking, everyone

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is unhappy for perfectly valid reasons.

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And I want to tell you that our campaign

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here in Ufa and Bashkiria (Bashkortostan) has enormous

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potential, because, well, we can do more than just

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channel discontent,

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bring everyone who is unhappy over to us—and we are the only ones who

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actually have substantive answers,

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and in fact we are the only ones who are not

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afraid. But everyone understands that

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ProBashneft is just some kind of

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nonsense. But neither the Communists nor the LDPR—no one

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can say that, because they are

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afraid of Sechin. But we can say directly

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to all residents: this is, really,

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stupid. They took a company that had

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problems, but was still better, and handed it over

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to a very bad company that has 3

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trillion in debt. We can say with complete certainty

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that we are for political

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competition. We are not bothered at all by

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Bashkir, Tatar, or Russian

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nationalists in elections. Let everyone run.

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We are not afraid of that. They all are. Their

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mechanism of action is, uh, the center, uh,

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which comes in, grabs everyone, turns on

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some kind of lists, and presses and suffocates everyone. We

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are not afraid of a free press; we answer

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any questions. We are the only ones, in

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fact,

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the only real political force. I say

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"we" because this is not my election

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campaign. Then whose is it?

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That’s the problem with livestreams. You all

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are streaming, damn it, and people in other

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cities can already see what I’m saying, and then

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I don’t even know what to say anymore, because

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it has to be something new. It’s hard, right? This is our

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election campaign. It’s not like

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Alexei Navalny has

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four points written down. Whether it’s four points or 44

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points, they are points all of us share and

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which, in fact, everyone here

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shares too, because everyone is unhappy with what

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is happening. I’ve already said many times

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about this, uh, about the snow higher than

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human height. Well, of course,

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because I’m talking to you and I

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can see it; there was a press conference, I can see it.

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But honestly, for God’s sake, damn it, this is a city

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in an oil-producing republic, and here they simply do not

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clear the snow. You could ski down

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that mountain that you can literally see from the window.

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And when the city’s mayor says, "I don’t have

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the money to remove the snow from

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the streets," then the question is: what other

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city has money at all? And where, exactly,

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does the money go if an oil-producing

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republic in an oil-producing country

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cannot clear snow from its streets? That means

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everything is broken. And in fact, everything

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is broken. And everyone understands that everything

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in public administration is broken, from

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housing and utilities services to foreign policy.

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Nothing works, not a damn thing. All of this

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is simply replaced with, well, like,

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they took Palmyra once, then something else,

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well, they need something to report on television,

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so they say: "We took Palmyra again, and

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it’s an anniversary, the seventh taking of Palmyra, and

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everything else." In essence, there is nothing.

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There is nothing. Total emptiness. Yes, they

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can block information,

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but only up to a point. Who watched our

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investigation about Medvedev? Everyone.

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4 million.

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A little over 4 million. That means that here

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in Bashkiria (Bashkortostan), well, 200,000 or

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300,000 people watched it. I’m sure

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that our audience retention rate there

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will be 70%. That is, most

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of those people watched for about 30 minutes. They know

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quite a lot. If they watched for 30

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minutes in front of a screen, that means it

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concerns them. Yes, they block everything. But we

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can see that we are able to get this

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information across. And in fact, an important

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part of what I want to say before

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I move on to answering questions,

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is this: you should not think of this regime as a stone

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wall. It is not a wall at all. It is not even

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a Styrofoam wall. It is some kind of

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nonexistent thing. I can tell you

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that the most powerful,

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best-organized political force

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existing in the Republic of Bashkiria (Bashkortostan),

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a genuinely political force, not, not some

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derivative of the administration, but

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a real ideological and political force—well,

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it is gathered here, because

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150 or 200 people united

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by a single idea they truly believe in,

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can do absolutely anything. We

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can get any ideas across, we can talk about anything,

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we can overcome any censorship. And

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it is important to believe in your own efforts, because

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in fact, once they crushed and

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cleared everything out, it actually became fairly

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easy for us to act. Sure, there will be problems, you will come

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Say "Navalny" to some people, and they'll say:

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"He stole timber, he's an American agent." But people

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can be persuaded otherwise.

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The truth is that all

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political change is made by 1%

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of the active population. I see them right in front of

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me. Everyone else, whatever they may be

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like—well, you all talk with

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your parents, your neighbors. And at every

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meeting people come up to me and say, "I

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like you so much, but my mom can't stand you

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at all." No matter how much your mother may dislike

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me or us, she will listen to you,

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because you are close to her, and you will always

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be able to change her mind, because you have

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an active civic stance, just as that 1% of the active

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population always changes everyone's minds. Right

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now it's the anniversary of the February Revolution

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(in Russia, 1917), look. Now people are posting great

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news items from a hundred years ago from

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Telegram channels and all the rest.

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Look at the headlines from the regions.

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Nobody even understood what was happening

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in St. Petersburg. People generally knew nothing

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about the revolution, basically, because

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that 1% of the active population,

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which wanted to do something—well,

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whether for good or ill is a separate

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discussion—they did it, and they

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forced everyone else to change. And we will make

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everyone change too, if we work,

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if we really put in the effort. Because another

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truth is that no one has ever

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really run election campaigns.

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No one has ever run real presidential election campaigns in

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Russia, because the format of presidential elections has always

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been a result known in advance.

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Fake

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sparring partners and approved topics

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for presidential debates. Do we need that kind of

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campaign? No.

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No.

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We will impose our own agenda. We

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will say what we want. We will

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do what we want, hand out our own

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leaflets, choose our own methods of

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door-to-door canvassing and so on.

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We control all of that completely. And

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again, our problem won't be that

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we hit a wall, but that there will be

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a vacuum. And we'll understand, basically,

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how easy it is to do, but how much needs to

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be done. I hope that relying on you,

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relying on our wonderful

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campaign manager, Liliya, whom we are

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proud of—and as I already said, there was

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a really funny incident involving her,

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she used to work at Deloitte, you've probably read

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about her. And Deloitte was constantly being picketed by NOD

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(National Liberation Movement, a pro-Kremlin group). And now she has come

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to work here, and NOD is picketing her again.

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Apparently Liliya is some kind of big

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problem for them, because they are attached to her

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and keep following her around. But, uh, this is a person

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who came here to work,

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and in her example we see that someone

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came from a Big Four company,

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giving up a big salary and

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certain career prospects. The future is ours,

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because they don't have a single person like that.

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Not one person who

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would work for them for free—there is

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none at all. Zero, literally

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zero, despite the fact that they have

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Putin, whatever ideology, Crimea, all that

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Ukraine stuff, imperial conquest—lots of

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people in front of the TV say, "Yes,

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yes, yes, we support it." But when it comes to

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working for free, nobody will do anything

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for them. But we will do it for ourselves,

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for our own cause. That's why I believe in victory. I

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think Ufa is a wonderful region. I

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look at you, and I see that here we will

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build a real headquarters. Great job, everyone. Thank you

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very much. I'm ready to answer questions.

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Question.

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your own business. Do you want to do something about

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Grigory Alexeyevich Yavlinsky? No.

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Neither do I. I have a normal attitude toward him.

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He's a good person. I have no desire,

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I don't know, to quarrel with him or even

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comment on him at all. But the problem

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with Russian politics is that nobody does a

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damn thing. They've gotten used to doing nothing

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for years. And people who actually do things

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seem strange to them. Many of them

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really think I'm

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crazy.

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Because I travel to different regions, do things,

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conduct investigations. Well, nobody

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used to do that. We somehow lived without

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doing it. And this guy does it, so

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there must be something wrong with him. Well, maybe

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there's something wrong with all of us, since we

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have gathered here in order to

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work. So we'll keep working, and

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we'll send Grigory Alexeyevich

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our warm regards. Next question.

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Just like that. Yes, go ahead with the next question.

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You're quite a brave person. It's just,

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there could be some very, very harsh

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pressure. They could make something up,

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put you in prison, or there could be

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pressure?

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Yes, there will be pressure. They could make something up.

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How do you feel about this

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administrative pressure? And aren't you

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afraid of some kind of reprisal?

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Well, I mean, I'm not—I'm not an idiot,

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right? I do have a sense of

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self-preservation. I don't get the slightest

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pleasure from

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dwelling on the thought that

20:38

something could happen to someone. I'm

20:40

a normal person, but at the same time I

20:42

chose this path voluntarily. I believe

20:45

that what I'm doing is right. And I understand perfectly well

20:48

that any person who

20:49

engages in independent politics can

20:51

well, end up in some kind of, in some

20:56

difficult situation. At the same time, with ninety

20:58

nine point nine repeating percent of people,

21:01

this never happens. I asked

21:03

this question in Samara. I’ll ask it here too. Who has ever had

21:04

at least an administrative arrest?

21:08

There were fewer in the audience. There, please,

21:10

in our... in Samara there was one hand. There you go. And

21:13

nevertheless, the proportion of about

21:15

90% probably holds. So,

21:18

just think about what is at stake for

21:21

them. There’s this guy sitting there, he has

21:24

these “charitable” functions, and they send him

21:25

70 billion rubles. They bought this,

21:28

bought that. A lot of things didn’t even make it into

21:30

our investigation, or the startups he

21:31

was buying. I just threw a lot of it out,

21:33

because there was too much. This

21:34

film would have been two hours long. Anything he

21:36

wants, he just points at it. People go and

21:39

buy it through some “charitable” fund. The same

21:41

goes for Putin: in the 21st century, an absolute

21:45

monarch

21:47

of the largest country in the world. Well, who

21:49

would voluntarily give up that kind of power?

21:51

So naturally, a great deal is

21:54

at stake for them. But, well, the truth on our side is

21:57

that regimes like this have always fallen. They are

22:00

doomed; they are simply historically

22:03

doomed. That is, even if we do

22:05

nothing, they will still

22:07

collapse. It’s just that we want them to

22:09

fall sooner. We don’t want all of

22:11

this to collapse during our children’s or

22:13

grandchildren’s lifetimes. We want it now, because our

22:15

lives are happening now, and our country is

22:18

ours right now. But of course, they

22:20

resist.

22:22

Of course, different things can happen, but

22:24

our problem is that my mom comes to visit me with bananas

22:26

and says health is more important,

22:29

Then I read that there were 30

22:31

Black Hundreds types (ultranationalist reactionaries) there, and I think, “Oh, come on,

22:33

next time.” Then I say, “Well, I

22:36

follow him, hello

22:37

photographer.”

22:39

And he posted a photo of Luma there. Well,

22:42

the store. I immediately realized you were on

22:44

the radio station Echo of Moscow. I went there so that

22:46

I could meet you, but you were already

22:49

gone. Uh, of course, so probably your

22:51

security took me for some kind of weirdo. Anyway,

22:54

that was just by way of introduction.

22:57

And the question is a little off topic.

23:00

Which political figures from

23:04

world history, from the past, are for you

23:05

an example? I’m studying to become a

23:09

teacher myself, so I wanted to ask.

23:11

Damn,

23:11

Those are brutal questions. I get asked that a lot, and I always

23:13

freeze up. Well, well, I can’t really,

23:15

it’s hard for me to name some

23:19

specific political figure. There are

23:20

a lot of great ones. Right now, any people

23:23

who are at the top of American or

23:25

European politics are people

23:27

who made it through

23:28

intense competition. Starting with Trump

23:30

and Hillary Clinton, and now what we’re seeing in

23:32

France—interesting processes are

23:35

happening there. All these people are truly

23:37

outstanding, because under conditions of

23:39

competition they make it to the top. It’s not

23:41

like Putin, whom Yeltsin simply

23:43

picked from a list and said:

23:45

“Well, this one seems like a kind of normal

23:48

guy.” And then appointed him president. These are

23:50

people who came through it all—they

23:52

just fought their way there and made it. That is,

23:55

of course, remarkable. I read

23:57

books, I follow them. And we try

23:59

to use some of the methods, I don’t know, that

24:02

might be possible, and

24:05

applicable. Although today, with

24:06

Volkov, after discussing how those

24:08

eggs were thrown at the headquarters in the north or whatever,

24:10

Obama didn’t write about that in his books.

24:14

But there are many wonderful people, and I follow

24:15

all of them. I can’t single out

24:18

just one. But as for your

24:20

kind words at the beginning,

24:22

we’ll take a photo and hug

24:24

only at the end, so I don’t get distracted.

24:27

Alexei, you talk a lot about

24:29

domestic policy. What is your vision of

24:30

our country’s foreign policy? How would you

24:32

build relations with America,

24:34

with the European Union?

24:35

Relations with America and the European Union do not

24:38

really need to be especially

24:39

constructed. Right now they are being shaped

24:41

in what way? We agreed to be

24:44

a raw-materials appendage. This has

24:46

a very practical implementation.

24:48

In reality, the share of oil revenues in

24:51

the federal budget is growing, and has grown

24:53

since Soviet times. Europe looks

24:55

at this and says, “All right, if

24:57

they are willing to be a raw-materials appendage,

24:58

let them be one.” Over the last two-plus years,

25:01

against the backdrop of economic problems—for three years—we have

25:03

started trying to scare them. “Now we’re going to start

25:04

a war in Europe.” And in effect, we did.

25:07

We’ll do this, we’ll do that—all just to

25:09

shift the agenda.

25:11

Russia does not need this.

25:14

Russia’s policy overall, including

25:17

foreign policy, in my view, should be

25:19

about directing resources toward

25:21

solving problems. First we clear this

25:24

snow, then we rebuild Palmyra. In other words,

25:27

in that order.

25:29

The foreign-policy goal is to

25:31

become Europe’s leading country. That

25:34

is possible, I believe. And the size of the

25:37

population, the level of education,

25:40

the abundance of natural resources, and everything else

25:41

everything else tells us that this is

25:43

a realistic goal: to become one of

25:46

the leading—possibly, in time the leading—

25:48

countries in Europe. That is our goal: for

25:50

people to become wealthier, and for us to gain our

25:53

economic strength by simply

25:56

becoming rich. Because as long as

25:58

the average salary in Ufa is 30,000

26:02

rubles, I mean, what are we even talking about? Who are we going to

26:04

scare? We can’t maintain an army.

26:07

Trump, whom Putin had practically been praying to, came in

26:09

and said he would allocate

26:11

what was it, $500 billion

26:13

extra. Well, of course, a brazillion

26:16

dollars. An enormous sum. Something

26:18

unimaginable even in the Russian

26:20

budget. Who exactly can we compete with there?

26:22

The only place we can compete is on the TV programs of

26:24

that Kiselyov and Margarita Simonyan,

26:27

who tell us fairy tales about how

26:28

our Admiral Kuznetsov, with its smoking

26:30

stack, frightened all of Europe. In reality,

26:33

power, including foreign economic

26:35

power, is a function of economic

26:38

strength inside the country and, ultimately,

26:40

a function of wages. When everyone here

26:42

is earning as much as people do in

26:43

Germany, then we’ll be truly formidable.

26:44

Yes,

26:45

thank you.

26:46

Ah, Alexei. I’d also like to ask a question in a positive

26:48

vein: when you become

26:51

president,

26:52

you do a great many

26:55

investigations, and those investigations

26:57

sound quite, quite

26:59

convincing. And at the same time, these

27:01

investigations concern a huge

27:03

number of people who hold

27:05

senior positions in many government agencies.

27:07

And you say that these people, who

27:11

according to the investigations—and I think

27:13

you really are convincing here—

27:15

are criminals, because they

27:16

steal money, so accordingly

27:18

they will stop holding their positions, since they are

27:20

criminals, because they are criminals,

27:22

right?

27:23

The state system in Russia

27:25

is very large. That means there are

27:27

an absolutely gigantic

27:28

number of people who steal, who

27:31

will be removed. So this

27:33

large resulting vacuum of people

27:35

who are supposed to

27:35

where will you find decent officials?

27:37

How exactly do you want—do you plan

27:39

to solve this problem? Where will you find them?

27:41

Will there even be enough of them? Are you planning

27:43

to somehow reduce the state

27:45

system? In other words, you’ve removed what was there—

27:47

what will you put in its place?

27:48

Okay, I understand the question. Ah, a good

27:50

question.

27:52

Well, it keeps coming up in various

27:54

forms. And ultimately it all

27:55

comes down to this: it’s thieves everywhere. You

27:57

drive out one bunch of thieves, and another bunch of thieves

27:59

will replace them. And we supposedly have no other people. But

28:03

in fact, we do have other people.

28:05

First, we will, of course, jail

28:08

the main thieves. Second,

28:10

when the people at the head of the state

28:12

are people sending different signals,

28:14

people who actually live by

28:17

the law, those below them will simply

28:20

work differently. People get used

28:22

to anything. If right now an official, say,

28:25

in the Ufa city administration, sees those

28:27

Medvedev 70 billion, then of course

28:29

he sure as hell isn’t going to clear the snow and

28:31

will pocket the money, because that’s

28:32

how it’s done, because that’s what everyone does. But

28:35

if the top of the state apparatus

28:37

starts working differently, the whole country

28:39

will change. And we’ve seen this many times in the history of

28:42

humanity. Take the Chinese.

28:44

People like to say that among the Chinese

28:46

corruption is in their blood. Well, there are Chinese

28:48

in Hong Kong too. And there you have some Chinese in

28:51

Hong Kong with practically no

28:53

corruption, while other Chinese just across the border

28:55

in China have a lot of corruption. Why?

28:58

Because the government is different. The same goes for

28:59

Singapore: Asians live there too, and there are also many

29:03

stories told about them, saying they’re

29:04

prone to corruption. But nevertheless, in

29:06

Singapore there is practically no corruption.

29:08

Finland, a former part of a European empire,

29:11

where a bunch of drinkers live, very much like

29:13

us.

29:17

And there’s no corruption. Zero corruption.

29:19

Despite all the other problems, and so

29:20

on and so forth. So society

29:23

does change. It’s precisely this 1%

29:25

of the active population that must force

29:28

society to change. It will change fairly quickly.

29:29

But again, there’s the well-worn

29:32

example of Georgia. Most of us are

29:34

young and don’t remember the Soviet Union. But

29:36

in the Soviet Union, a Georgian police officer

29:39

or a Georgian prosecutor was

29:40

the embodiment of corruption. Simply

29:42

the embodiment, the symbol of corruption. Nevertheless,

29:45

in a fairly short period of time they

29:47

managed, at least at the street level among patrol

29:49

police, to stop taking

29:52

bribes on the roads. And this didn’t happen over the course

29:54

of a generation’s lifetime,

29:56

it happened in five years. And in Russia this

29:58

will happen too. Russians will

30:01

act the same way—Russians, Bashkirs, Tatars,

30:04

excuse me, everyone will live the same way

30:07

they already do in Canada, when they go there,

30:10

I mean, the same way they live in

30:11

the Baltics, the way they live in other

30:13

countries: without corruption, the way it should be.

30:15

We will achieve that.

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