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Good evening, dear viewers of the channel

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Navalny Live on YouTube, from our studio.

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Today it’s not Navalny, as you’ve probably

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already guessed, but Lyubov Sobol and Georgy Alburov.

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Alburov, and today we’re here together.

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You probably want to know what this

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minute of silence for Arkady Babchenko was about.

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The script is already outdated, and of course

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that changes what kind of silence we’re observing, but about

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Arkady Babchenko, we of course wanted

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to say a few words. Well, first of all,

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what happened was, of course, astonishing,

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unexpected, and of course it took us a long time

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to recover—first from what

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happened on the 29th, and we still hadn’t fully come

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to our senses before what

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happened on the 30th, when Arkady

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Babchenko came back to life—I don’t know how else

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to put it.

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I’ll explain for those who may have been out of touch

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for the past two days and haven’t opened

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social media or the news, because it seemed to me

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that everyone was talking about it. It seemed impossible

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to hide from this news—they

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completely flooded the information space. If

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your dugout has no internet, radio, or

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television, then for your benefit we’ll now

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tell you what actually happened.

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On May 29, media reports appeared saying that

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Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko

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had been killed by three shots to the back in his home.

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Supposedly, his wife found his body when he

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—and the words “killed by three shots to the back” don’t

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sound cheerful at all—supposedly his body

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was found by his wife, and then all of this was written by his

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colleague from Crimean Tatar television

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on Facebook, and this

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naturally

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caused a huge reaction. Everyone

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began expressing sympathy,

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condolences, and trying to learn

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the details of what had happened. There were

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reports that Arkady was still alive

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when he was found, but then his condition worsened and he

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died on the way to the hospital. All of this

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naturally shocked and stunned everyone

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who was familiar with his work,

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read his posts, and followed his life.

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Arkady Babchenko is a fairly well-known

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figure now in the political and

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public life of our country,

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and in Ukraine’s as well, actually. And then the

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next day there was a press

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conference at which Arkady Babchenko

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walked out alive. People had already rushed to Kyiv,

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written obituaries; many had already managed

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to order Babchenko’s books so they could

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read them; some had already downloaded and

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read them. I even read that one woman

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went to a psychotherapist and paid for an appointment

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that very day because she was so

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upset. She was later very annoyed that the money

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had been spent for nothing, because he then

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appeared alive at that press conference and

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said that this had been an operation—

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an operation by Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU)—and that it was

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necessary in order to truly

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save his life, because there had been a contract

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out on him from people who needed

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to be found, identified, and proven to be the ones

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planning this crime. So,

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as I understand it now, evidence is being gathered

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against the people who

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planned to carry out Arkady’s murder, and

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there is footage of the arrest of

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the organizer of this murder. I hope

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that a pretrial measure will be imposed on the organizer today.

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As I understand it, the main

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person who exposed this murder plot

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was the would-be hitman himself,

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who had served in eastern Ukraine,

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the man who was assigned to carry out this

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killing. He went to the SBU first,

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they eventually believed him, and he helped play the role of

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the killer and expose this whole chain. And in

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fact, some fairly strong

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statements are being made by the Ukrainian SBU, and

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some evidence has been released. There is

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video of a man counting money,

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sitting in a car and recounting cash; there is

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video of the arrest. I very much hope that

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there is much more evidence than this,

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and that for now they’re keeping it

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up their sleeve so that later,

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at the right moment, it can be published. But

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for now, all of this really does look like

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a murder was prevented, and we are all very

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glad that Arkady Babchenko is alive—

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that he stayed alive. I’m being told we have

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a short clip of the joyful

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moment when Babchenko was invited into the hall

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at the press conference. Let’s

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watch it.

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And Arkady Babchenko...

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I will... your work... and she... better package...

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...spilled... you... ruby... all that lovey-dovey stuff...

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...you’ll find out... sitting... and I’ll shoot...

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...and now they are bringing in Arkady Babchenko.

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(inaudible)

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Happy third birthday.

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Marganets.

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And now Ukrainian President Petro

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Poroshenko has assigned security to Arkady

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Babchenko, so I hope that his life

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and health now,

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and the safety of his family, are no longer under threat. According

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to the SBU, Russian special services hired

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a man to kill Babchenko for $40,000.

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According to Ukrainian media, the SBU

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has brought terrorism charges

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against the alleged organizer. Yes, today

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a man is suspected of organizing and

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acting as an intermediary in this murder plot—a man

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with the surname German. He is a Ukrainian citizen.

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He works somewhere in the defense industry, and according

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to the SBU, he was recruited by the Russian

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the special services, and they organized it together

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the assassination attempt on Babchenko

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let's move on to the next topic

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because I think we also shouldn't

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forget the other people who are still alive and

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of course, I wanted to talk on this broadcast

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about Oleg Sentsov, who since May 14 has been on

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a hunger strike—yes, it's already been more than two

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weeks since Oleg Sentsov

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began his hunger strike, and that is of course very

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impressive. It is a courageous, brave

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act. To go on hunger strike in prison is terribly

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difficult, utterly unbearable, because

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read any memoirs by

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Soviet dissidents who describe how

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a hunger strike in prison unfolds, how

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it happens

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and, even worse, forced

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feeding—forced feeding through

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the nose. All of this is real torture, and if

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a person goes that far, it means that he

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is truly prepared to part with his

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life for his convictions, for his

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innocence. And of course Sentsov should

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be immediately exchanged by Ukraine for

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Russian servicemen, or for other

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people who are also currently being held in

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Ukraine as prisoners. In fact, it's absurd

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—absurd, sad, and tragic—that

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as for Oleg Sentsov, personally I would never

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have known

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I read about his case and watched his

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statement, and it seems to me there are no

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grounds to accuse a person of

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terrorism. That is, the case that we

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have seen, which has been publicly and convincingly

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laid out online—you can

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look at what this

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criminal case against Oleg Sentsov was stitched together from

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—there is simply no solid evidence

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or basis

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These are fake pieces of evidence, trumped-up

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charges, and all of it existed only

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so that they could apparently report that

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there were terrorists, that we prevented

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a terrorist threat against

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Russia, and, you know,

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under the quota-driven system, file some kind of reports to Putin

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and

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and all of this—I've gone too far afield now

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it seems to me that now it is already necessary

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to stop and make the sensible decision

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to have Oleg Sentsov released

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along with the other people who are

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clearly suffering because of the political

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ambitions of Vladimir Putin. Yes, once again,

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a hunger strike in prison is as serious as it gets

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If a person goes on hunger strike

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in prison, it means he is ready to put

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his life at risk, it means he is ready

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to die for his convictions, and that

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of course commands the utmost respect

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Let's move on to Russian criminal cases in

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Chelyabinsk

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A criminal case has been opened against the organizers of the May 5 rally

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under the article on

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hooliganism

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No, they did not overturn cars or burn

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police vans

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and whatever else people supposedly do when committing hooliganism—they did not

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fire guns while drunk in a hotel, either

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They didn't do that either, unlike

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some former senators, by the way

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What is unfolding now in Chelyabinsk is

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completely awful

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Again, on the one hand it's almost funny, because

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it is so absurd that it is very

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hard even to believe that this is really

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happening right now before our very eyes

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that somewhere in our country right now, people

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really could be sent away for seven years

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to a real, actual prison

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for this. On the other hand, it is

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truly tragic, and we started with not

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the most cheerful news, but we cannot

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not talk about this, because in fact

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it seems to me this once again shows that

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any one of us, any one of you who can

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watch this broadcast right now, could tomorrow

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be imprisoned under the very same article. Right now

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a case has been opened simply because people

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on May 5 held a very successful and

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excellent rally in Chelyabinsk—here it is

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right before your eyes: people are walking down

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the central street, chanting, as you can see

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in an entirely peaceful manner

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as calmly as possible, with absolutely no

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violations of public order—look, whole cars with

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all their windows intact are standing nearby, no one is

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firing pistols into the air while drunk

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drunk, naked, or whatever else it is that

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people engaged in hooliganism are supposed to do. They are waving

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Russian flags—how

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patriotic that is, first of all; and how wonderful these people are

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Just look at their faces, how

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inspired they are, how strongly they feel

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their unity, and in a noble impulse to fight for

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their country, for their future and the future

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of their children, they came out onto the streets of their city

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And now, because people were shouting

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the chant 'Dubrovsky, resign!' and

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'One, two, three—Putin, leave!' I don't know of any more

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peaceful chants at a rally. Girls were chanting, 'One,

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two, three, four; one, two, three—Putin, leave!' Right now

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show us a little more, it seems to me

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and now these people are facing

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a prison term of up to seven years because

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the case was reclassified under the most

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serious part of the article: that this group of people, by

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prior conspiracy, carried out

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hooligan acts

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Hooligan acts, meaning that they were chanting

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'One, two, three—Putin

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leave!' Not 'one, two, three'

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—since when is 'Putin' obscene language? This is absurd

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Since when did 'Putin' become a swear word? They

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were chanting this completely lawful

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chant—what have we come to, that we are even discussing this?

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The legality of chanting in the streets—what a horror.

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And it is an absolutely proper chant.

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Putin really is a thief, and this needs to be

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said out loud in the streets; there is therefore nothing

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criminal about it. But in Chelyabinsk,

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the Chelyabinsk authorities and police found it absolutely

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appalling. The Chelyabinsk governor really did not like it,

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he disliked it intensely, and they moved to

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open a criminal case against these

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wonderful guys, so that, apparently, they would

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walk the streets without chanting, or

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better yet, not walk the streets at all,

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but sit at home and write, "we're laying down"

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messages in blocked Telegram for business and

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other purposes. In fact, there is a wonderful

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report that they posted—a report on the

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interrogation, a scan of a police interrogation record.

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No, actually, Volkov, our colleague, posted it

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on his Twitter; you can

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take a look and read this absolutely

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masterful

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document in this case. It described, if I am not

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mistaken, that this gathering of people was supposed to proceed

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in a

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good-natured and patriotic manner, which

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is something else entirely. I have never seen more good-natured and

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patriotic gatherings of people than

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the rallies organized by our

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team, where people are so

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good-natured, so patriotic,

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so wonderful, that this colonel

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or lieutenant colonel—someone can correct me on the rank—

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this police officer ought to go there himself,

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come out to these rallies, and enjoy

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the universal good nature and the atmosphere of kindness

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and patriotism. But as of now, our

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coordinator Boris Zolotarevsky has been

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arrested for 25 days, and now these

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investigative actions are continuing, along with

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unprecedented pressure on him. At the same time, he

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was taken in for questioning immediately upon leaving

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the special detention center. You are now seeing two

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episodes: first that, and then a search.

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At the exit from the detention center, and I saw

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photos of how the police

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entered the house, and they looked like—well, imagine

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the Victory Day parade, you know, where there are

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snipers sitting somewhere up in the towers—

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all in uniform, with some hellishly

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huge rifles. So people in that kind of

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gear came rushing in, storming the

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place of a man whose entire guilt,

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from the police's point of view, basically consists

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of chanting, "One, two, three—Putin, resign!"

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So the full force

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of the Chelyabinsk police came crashing down on

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his head. Moreover, in Chelyabinsk, the headquarters was

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as far as I know, stripped of all its equipment—

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literally robbed. So the point is that

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the staff are continuing to work now

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through the headquarters, and of course it will

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keep working despite any

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unprecedented pressure that

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is being exerted against our

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regional colleagues. But probably, by the way, speaking

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of robbery, we should move on to

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a promotional segment about our store. I wanted

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to tell you about it, and now we have

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a minute for the store segment on the couch.

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At the moment, you practically cannot

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buy anything from me—well, actually, you can buy,

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but not by phone; instead, go to our

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website. A banner with the address should appear now. So,

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what should we start with? Or rather, don't ask me

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what class it is.

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This phone case—with little jokes on it—how do you even describe it properly?

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This is probably the right way to present it.

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The case with the jokes on it—I do not remember how much

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I was supposed to call it so that I could

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advertise it successfully. They gave it to me, and since

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I have been using it, I can honestly say

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I do not know how good I am at describing products,

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but I will try: it is a very good case.

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Unlike cheap AliExpress cases, the edges are sturdy,

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so if the phone falls

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somewhere, it will not get scratched, and most

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likely it will remain intact, because

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there is cushioning here to absorb the impact.

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I really, really like it.

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I have been using it for I do not know how long now,

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several weeks, and I am extremely happy with it.

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I

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would cross out from my résumé

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the line saying I can work as a remote salesperson.

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That seems to have failed. We also have in our store

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this little calendar here. This calendar was

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drawn by Alexei Navalny, by the way.

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He is due to be released at the end of June, and I

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think we will definitely go to meet

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him, and we will all be calling on people to do so. Here

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here we have

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riot police officers (OMON, Russia's special police units) drawn here, and also Mother Rus'

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depicted in barbed wire,

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a prison-camp watchtower, and 9 more

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drawings.

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There are 12 in total—one for each month.

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So yes, if you buy it, you will get

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that, and besides there are many other things in

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the store. The hoodies are great too; I

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also really like them, and I have had mine for

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a very long time, and after washing it still looks great.

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Nothing happens to it; all the printed text

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from May 2018 is still in place. I really

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like it. I really do use the things

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that we sell in our fundraising

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store, and I am genuinely pleased with them.

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I am being told that the calendar costs 666 rubles (about US$10 at the time),

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and if you buy it right now, it will still be 666 rubles, and these

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little cases too—well, these cases

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are wonderful, genuinely very high-quality,

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and they cost 800 rubles (about US$12 at the time). By the way, I will explain

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I

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before you ask why they are so

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expensive. First, why are we selling this? Well,

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first of all, why is it so expensive? The money goes toward

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the work of the Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK, founded by Alexei Navalny).

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All of this is quite transparent; all of it

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will of course appear in the financial reporting.

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It’s half a purchase, half a

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donation, really — that is,

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when you buy these items, you’re effectively

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getting some merchandise from us in return.

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From the Anti-Corruption Foundation and Alexei

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Navalny’s campaign headquarters.

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And so that in some way it would feel

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nice for you — so that you’re not just donating

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money, but also getting something in return from

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us. Of course, it’s without Alexei’s signature, without

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anything special, but still, roughly

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speaking, you’re not leaving empty-handed. But in fact,

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all of this money goes in full

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to fund the work

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of the Anti-Corruption Foundation and the headquarters

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of Alexei Navalny, to continue our

17:02

work, so that we can work even

17:05

better and on a larger scale.

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Yes, Artyom Salikhov writes: it seems to me that Oleg

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Navalny, on leaving prison,

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will be locked up for another 30 days

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for some pretext. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised

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by anything at this point.

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But the main thing is that we all must

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understand perfectly well:

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Oleg Navalny is not guilty. Oleg Navalny

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is not guilty even under the verdict itself.

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And according to the ruling of the European Court of Human

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Rights, the case against Oleg Navalny isn’t worth

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a damn. This case is politically

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motivated, and he must

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be released immediately. And all these

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years

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that he has been in prison, he

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has been there unlawfully, against common

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sense, against the law, and for all of this,

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of course, the people who did this,

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the organizers of these trials, will bear

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responsibility. There is no

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doubt about that.

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Oleg Navalny is now

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a political prisoner, because Putin’s people

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really like hostages — they really like

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putting pressure on family members. And this case with

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Alexei Navalny, when they simply

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jailed his brother precisely so that

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Alexei would stop

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carrying out his political

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activity,

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would stop defending his rights and

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freedoms, and helping other

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people living in our country do the same. But as

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we can see, that didn’t work, so

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Oleg remains in prison, but we

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hope that in the very near future he will

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be released.

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In any case, we will not stop doing what we do.

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Hello to Ufa as well — and in the comments they’re also

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sending greetings. And people are writing: Navalny,

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how many more episodes of the 2017 show will there be without

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Alexei Navalny? How many more — two?

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I think no, there will be one more

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episode, because he gets out — we’ll tell you.

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He gets out on the morning of June 14 from the special detention center.

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As for the detention diaries, I visited him today.

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I’ll pass along all your greetings to him.

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He listens to Echo of Moscow radio and gets some

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bits of news, and he was also very surprised

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by the case involving Arkady Babchenko.

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But of course, not all of the information

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reaches him in full.

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But he’s upbeat and cheerful, and he’s learning Python — yes, learning

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Python. I visited him several times, and all those

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times our conversations mostly revolved

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around Python. I brought him four

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books — I bought them especially for him — on

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Python, and he’s been reading them avidly, and

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it seems to be going well. He’s very

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engaged in it. It’s great that a person is ready

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to discover some new skills, new knowledge

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for himself. From one of the books he even

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seems likely, once he gets out, he’ll be able to

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write his own blog on the internet.

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Can you imagine — he wanted to learn programming.

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Well, since I’m also into Python,

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you understand that something has to be done, and that

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you should bring Alexei something so he can understand it

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better. So you teach him, basically. Well, I just

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comment and answer his questions, and

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even the last time — or rather, the time before last —

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I came to see him and brought

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some Python exercises that had been prepared for him,

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and

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when I came back, he took the sheet

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of paper with the problems on it,

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solved them, and even wrote a program. It seems to me

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that this piece of paper will someday

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have some value in the future.

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He scored 52 points or something like that — I haven’t checked yet.

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Bags.

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A viewer writes:

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It’s a shame that once again Alexei will spend his birthday

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locked up.

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Indeed, June 4 is Alexei

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Navalny’s birthday, and he will spend

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it locked up, unfortunately. Our colleague Nikolai

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Lyaskin recently had his birthday

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as well, and he too spent it locked up.

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And

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he was in the same special detention center, by the way,

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as Alexei Navalny. Unfortunately, they can’t see each other

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because they’re in different cells. As

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political prisoners, they are kept

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separately. But today, with Kolya, in my view,

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something close to a legal miracle happened:

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today, on appeal, his term

20:58

of administrative arrest was reduced to ten days.

21:00

He had been given fifteen days; now it’s

21:01

ten. That means he will be released

21:04

very soon, literally in the next few days,

21:07

not in five. I think he’ll be free on June 2.

21:11

As I recall, he had originally been supposed to get out

21:12

on June 7.

21:14

We’ll see how things go with

21:16

Nikolai Lyaskin. I think he’ll come up with

21:19

something to tell you, and it will make a wonderful

21:22

special detention center story. Today there were also appeals

21:23

for Kira Yarmysh and Ruslan as well.

21:27

the court left his sentence unchanged

21:30

things didn’t go that way, and it was left without

21:31

changes

21:32

Ruslan is serving 30 days; 25 days is

21:35

first of all illegal, and second, awful

21:39

terribly hard. I myself have never been held

21:42

in a special detention center, which is why from time to time

21:45

you get offended and people look at me sideways

21:46

my colleagues do, but nevertheless I

21:49

understand perfectly well that there, first of all,

21:52

it’s boring, and second, in the summer the unsanitary conditions

21:54

are made worse by the hot water being turned off

21:55

even a fork or instant noodles like Doshirak (a popular Russian instant ramen brand) can become a problem for you

21:58

the conditions really are very bad

22:00

25 or 30 days is very, very bad

22:03

really uncomfortable, I mean

22:06

you’re allowed one hour of walking a day

22:09

but the rest of the time you’re lying there crammed in with

22:11

a large number of other people. I know that

22:14

there were 10 people in Ruslan’s cell

22:16

and all those who were locked up with

22:18

Ruslan were people who had already

22:21

served time before in a penal colony, that is, people

22:23

who had been caught either for drunk driving

22:25

so they already had a certain kind of experience

22:28

and baggage

22:29

or people who are required to report regularly

22:32

people who aren’t in prison but are supposed to

22:35

check in at their place of residence and if they don’t

22:36

they can also be jailed for a number of days, so

22:39

it’s, let’s say, a specific kind of company, but at the same time

22:42

as Ruslan said, everyone respects political prisoners

22:44

because when I wrote

22:48

that phrase, that everyone respects political prisoners

22:50

someone replied to me on Twitter

22:52

and even retweeted it, because he wrote

22:54

to me that back in 1991

22:55

he thought the very concept of political prisoners in our

22:57

country would disappear, but he was mistaken. Never

23:00

say never

23:01

and indeed, now we do have them; we are living

23:04

in Russia, where there are political

23:05

prisoners under criminal charges and under

23:07

administrative charges as well

23:10

according to Ruslan, on the contrary, everyone

23:12

keeps asking about politics; he’s already tired

23:14

of talking about the Anti-Corruption Foundation’s investigations

23:17

to his cellmates, and by the way, we have

23:20

video greetings from him and from Nikolai as well

23:22

let’s watch what Ruslan

23:24

had to tell us in the middle of all this

23:25

for our program

23:26

Hello everyone, we’re at the Moscow City Court

23:29

today, where Kira and others are having their appeals heard

23:31

we’re here together with our

23:33

colleagues

23:35

the hearing would not have taken place if we

23:36

hadn’t come, but they left everything

23:39

unchanged, so basically

23:42

that’s it

23:43

no

23:44

we got five days, and everything was left

23:46

unchanged. Keep working. And do you want

23:50

a funny thing about this video?

23:51

Araslanov recorded it before they

23:54

announced the ruling, and in it he says

23:56

that they left these jail days unchanged

23:58

because in fact the whole case is sewn

24:00

with white thread, meaning it’s completely obvious and fabricated

24:02

it was completely obvious. I went to court today

24:04

I was at Kira’s hearing today

24:06

and at the hearings for Ruslan and Nikolai as well

24:09

and I wasn’t skipping work

24:12

the judge was just unbelievable, and I went there because

24:14

they were discussing the rally of May 5 in Moscow

24:18

and whether that rally had been authorized, and I could

24:20

show the court, as a witness, that

24:22

the rally was approved, because when we

24:24

received the official document

24:26

confirming the authorization of the rally, that happened

24:28

only on May 10, so

24:30

at that time the rally was not

24:32

unauthorized and was not

24:33

unapproved. But the judge didn’t even

24:35

hear me out. I spent all that time

24:37

sitting in the hallway, and the judge simply did not

24:40

bother to hear my testimony

24:44

nor did he bother at all

24:46

to grant any motions

24:48

from the defense side; they repeatedly filed

24:51

motions to call a witness, motions regarding

24:53

the inclusion of documents, and so on, and

24:56

all of those motions were denied, and

25:00

more than that, the judges there were so

25:02

how should I put it

25:05

on our broadcast, but they were so

25:08

unfair that they even

25:11

threw journalists out of there

25:13

in batches just because they picked up

25:15

their phones. It was really hardcore there

25:19

at the hearing

25:21

the session was held in office number 6

25:24

I wrote that it seems to me

25:26

that maybe every office in this court should

25:29

be renamed after that room number

25:31

because justice is certainly nowhere to be found there

25:33

yes, of course. I was at

25:37

Alexei Navalny’s appeal, and there

25:41

really, if you have the chance to go to court

25:43

to attend a trial involving

25:44

a political case, if they’re considering

25:46

someone’s arrest over a rally, someone’s arrest over

25:48

some repost or something like that, go

25:52

without fail. Just set aside one day

25:55

and you will understand that this

25:58

lawlessness, this crime

26:03

of the authorities that is happening right now

26:05

is much closer than you think

26:08

it’s a very sobering experience. If you have

26:10

some acquaintance who thinks

26:12

that, well, not everything is bad, that there are

26:15

some reasonable judges there, that there are

26:17

some officials who maybe are

26:19

decent people

26:20

please, just take them to one

26:22

such trial or appeal hearing, and they will

26:24

guaranteed

26:26

be in for a real roller coaster

26:29

the impression, because at first he comes in

26:31

so when I came in, although I perfectly well

26:33

understand what is happening there, still

26:35

it is quite interesting at first

26:36

so, the judge speaks with Navalny and says

26:40

well yes, yes, right, show the video

26:44

let's see what happened there, yes, yes, well

26:47

you can hear, right, that you seem to be chanting something

26:49

and then they just grab you and detain you

26:51

wow, well, that really is something

26:54

what a horror, just look at what they are doing

26:57

they beat you, grab you, and the judge, it seems,

26:59

seems good-natured and loyal, even

27:01

at first starts discussing things quite reasonably

27:04

the video, asking Alexei about what happened there

27:06

then leaves to make a decision and after

27:08

half an hour comes back with the ruling and says

27:10

leave it unchanged, there are no grounds not to

27:13

trust the police officers, and even if

27:17

someone might have gotten the impression

27:19

that this judge is reasonable, that this judge

27:21

would somehow follow the law and

27:23

act according to conscience and honor, all of that

27:27

all of that collapses, and definitely bring

27:30

your friends, and come to these court hearings yourselves

27:32

it is very engaging and enlightening

27:35

your rose-colored glasses disappear immediately, and all this

27:38

this whole façade

27:40

falls away before your eyes. And let's also look at

27:42

the video Nikolai Lyaskin recorded for us, this is

27:44

you managed to record it after they pulled you away from the bailiffs

27:47

you literally recorded this video address

27:49

they were recording me without my... Hello everyone

27:52

sending you my greetings and all kinds of rays

27:58

of joy and indignation from the Moscow City Court

28:02

the appeal is underway right now, the judge has not yet

28:05

issued a decision, but I think everything here is

28:07

obvious: they will leave it unchanged

28:10

leave it unchanged, strange... what outraged me most

28:12

of course was those 25 days

28:16

in detention, and also this tweet that we

28:19

made without any other

28:22

interaction with the mayor's office, but this is

28:24

an outrage, judicial lawlessness, and therefore

28:26

of course judicial reform is one of the

28:28

first things that must happen in the Beautiful

28:31

Russia of the Future

28:32

many people ask how I am doing

28:35

everything is bearable, everything is fine, the staff

28:37

treat me normally, nothing terrible

28:40

the really bad thing is that I am isolated from you

28:42

but I am reading books, and I always urge you not

28:46

to get used to the lawlessness that

28:48

is going on. We should not, over a tweet, and people should not

28:51

be subjected to administrative arrest or any

28:54

other punishment at all. In my case there is

28:57

forgery involving two police reports with the signatures

29:00

of witnesses, which were written up without me present

29:03

for that, for falsifying documents

29:05

of course responsibility should be borne

29:06

by the police officers and the people whom they

29:09

call on

29:10

to sign falsified documents

29:12

but in any case, huge greetings to all of you

29:15

the viewers and everyone watching, I will never get tired of

29:19

saying it

29:19

leave likes, share clips from the broadcast

29:22

subscribe to the channel and also to

29:24

the Navalny Live app, you are all doing great

29:27

well done, it somehow really

29:31

... 2018 ... Anyway, now for some good news

29:35

good news from Yekaterinburg

29:37

where, unexpectedly, a volunteer won his case and received

29:40

16 rubles in compensation for unlawful

29:43

detention while handing out leaflets. He should not have been detained at all

29:45

but the fact that he

29:47

won in a Russian court and even received

29:48

compensation is, of course, astonishing; I cannot recall

29:52

anything like it. Moscow is a separate story, of course

29:55

all the courts there have been completely purged, and in

29:58

Moscow, yes, not only in political

30:01

cases, and in general, justice

30:03

is probably hard to achieve. If the case is about

30:06

some property division in a divorce, then

30:07

perhaps a judge can still somehow

30:08

make a fair decision there

30:10

calculate it correctly, I hope, using

30:12

a calculator

30:12

but if you are up against the state

30:15

then in Moscow the case is doomed in advance, and

30:17

it is not even worth wasting time and nerves, and

30:20

if possible, you should litigate at least

30:21

in commercial court, because there the judges are still

30:23

more or less professional

30:25

some decisions can still get through. In

30:27

Moscow courts it is completely

30:29

useless. And just recently my mother-in-law

30:32

told me about a case where she was litigating over

30:34

a land plot

30:36

and she said that they did not just indirectly but directly

30:38

told her, basically, let's settle it

30:43

... he said that when I come in

30:46

I was told outright in response that

30:49

do not list it in the register, because we have an

30:51

unofficial instruction that all these decisions

30:53

will simply be denied for sure; at most, indicate

30:56

him at least as a third party there so that he

30:58

appears somewhere, because he has no direct relation

31:00

to the case, so there is no need to list him as a defendant. And of course

31:02

many thanks to the judge for his honesty

31:04

well, that is how Russian

31:06

justice works. The honest part is that they

31:08

said what kind of decision they would issue

31:09

an honest decision... I mean

31:13

what I am saying is that right now, unfortunately

31:16

our Russian judicial

31:19

system is not something you should rely on, even if you

31:20

do not take part in rallies

31:22

still, unfortunately, you are unlikely

31:24

to achieve even some semblance of justice

31:26

some statistics for May 5: detained

31:28

and subjected to arrest, that is, given

31:30

various jail terms, were 22

31:34

people; 11 staff members received fines

31:36

that is only for the headquarters: twenty-

31:40

two staff members were arrested, and 11 were fined

31:43

and overall during the May 5 protest there were

31:46

1,351 people detained in total, just imagine

31:52

this crowd, and how much time

31:55

the police wasted pointlessly on

31:57

detaining all of them, processing the paperwork,

31:58

and drawing up reports.

31:59

Then there were all those court hearings,

32:01

to take stock of the real heroes,

32:04

to count the honest people in our country

32:06

who suffer for the truth, for their

32:08

views, for their political beliefs.

32:09

But again, we and our colleagues from the

32:15

Anti-Corruption Foundation

32:16

naturally help everyone who was detained. We

32:19

file complaints, we go to court, we

32:21

continue to fight for justice, and we will

32:24

keep doing so all the way to the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights), if necessary.

32:26

All complaints about all unlawful detentions

32:28

will, of course, be vindicated by the European

32:29

Court of Human Rights once the cases make it there.

32:31

After appeals in the Russian courts, we will

32:33

seek justice, compensation, and

32:36

protection for our people. And here someone writes:

32:38

tell us about the news

32:39

in quotes: “Russia has been ordered to pay €2

32:42

billion for human rights violations.” I

32:44

take it this is the total amount for all

32:46

the years during which Russia has been subject to rulings.

32:49

Those €2 billion are for the entire

32:52

period Russia has paid citizens who

32:54

suffered from actions by the authorities

32:56

that were unlawful. This could include torture,

32:59

and kidnappings in Chechnya, it could be torture

33:02

in police custody, it could also be unlawful

33:03

detentions—in other words, this is the

33:04

overall sum for all human rights

33:08

violations that made it to the court. And by the way,

33:12

my colleagues are reminding me that we are

33:15

still collecting donations for

33:17

paying fines,

33:19

and we even have a banner for it—we’ll probably

33:23

see it on screen in a moment. You can also

33:28

take part, and of course this

33:30

money goes only toward paying the unlawful

33:32

fines people received for

33:34

coming out to the squares of their cities on May 5.

33:37

Please send in your questions; we

33:39

will try to answer them and discuss whatever

33:43

interests you. Your feedback is very

33:45

important to us. I also wanted to discuss a news story

33:49

that I was told we absolutely had to cover

33:51

on today’s broadcast. And who would have thought

33:55

the answer would come from the court bailiffs?

33:59

Today they literally stopped me there,

34:01

grabbed me by the button, and said: when

34:04

we were just talking in the courthouse corridor about how

34:05

I’d be hosting the broadcast today together with

34:07

Georgy, and that today we’d be discussing

34:09

various news stories,

34:10

they said, “Do you know what you need to talk about?”

34:12

I said, “What?” They said:

34:15

“Gasoline.”

34:16

“Have you seen how much gasoline costs? Yesterday I

34:18

filled up for one amount, and

34:20

today it’s the same amount for much less, and they’ve

34:23

completely lost it”—and then came the profanity,

34:25

which we won’t repeat on our broadcast.

34:27

But the bailiffs, too, have quite an opinion of our

34:30

president and government, who

34:32

have raised gasoline prices. In fact,

34:35

right now I really think that everyone

34:36

connected in some way with

34:38

transportation—

34:39

freight or passenger transport—as well as people who

34:41

simply own cars, could not have failed to

34:43

notice the price increase, the sharp increase

34:44

in gasoline prices. The average price of AI-95 gasoline

34:48

in Russia has risen to 43 rubles 60 kopecks

34:52

per liter

34:53

whereas in June of last year, according to

34:55

Rosstat (Russia’s federal statistics agency), it was still

34:56

39.9 rubles. So

34:58

that is, a clearly noticeable increase.

35:00

Naturally, this cannot help but

35:02

affect not only people who

35:03

own cars. Even if you’re a pedestrian,

35:05

you will still notice this rise in

35:08

gasoline prices, because

35:10

you buy food in stores—and how do

35:12

those goods get delivered there? They’re transported

35:14

by vehicle.

35:15

And vehicles use gasoline, and gasoline

35:17

has become more expensive. You can trace this through

35:19

many things, of course.

35:21

And this gasoline price hike, it seems to us,

35:23

is hitting literally everyone. And just now I

35:25

even saw online—we probably won’t show it here,

35:27

but you can google it yourselves—a whole lot,

35:29

just a huge number of flash-mob videos

35:32

where men

35:33

well, in male voices, apparently, film

35:36

videos at gas pumps and

35:40

say everything they think about

35:42

the price hike, the president, corruption

35:45

in the country, and so on. Because really,

35:46

all of this, of course, comes down to corruption.

35:48

Right now, after the May decrees (major presidential policy directives), there is a new

35:51

task: by any means possible

35:54

to squeeze money out of the population, and so

35:58

now the screws are really being tightened. You’ve

36:00

probably heard about the VAT increase, about rising prices,

36:02

about the proposed increase in the retirement

36:04

age, and now this gasoline issue.

36:06

Of course, there will be more sad news like this,

36:08

news that will hit our

36:10

fellow citizens in the wallet.

36:12

More of it, yes. And you’re talking about the population

36:16

that is suffering. But there are people who

36:18

are suffering more than others—for example, Roman

36:21

Abramovich,

36:22

Oleg Deripaska. Oleg Deripaska is suffering so much

36:24

that he has called for electricity prices to be raised

36:27

so that, despite the sanctions, he would still

36:31

be left with as much money as he had before

36:34

the sanctions. It’s astonishing arrogance, of course. I

36:36

didn’t think people could be that brazen.

36:38

And we also wanted to discuss Roman Abramovich.

36:41

If we have time, we definitely will.

36:44

After we listen to comments from

36:46

Mikhail, an expert in the oil and gas sector.

36:48

They got through to Krutikhin there and

36:50

asked him: how long can this go on, where is it headed,

36:54

why is it getting more expensive, how much more will it rise, and

36:56

who is to blame for all this. Predicting it is

36:59

very difficult. This is about how, for a moment,

37:01

that is, quite significantly affects the price

37:03

of gasoline, since taxes and levies account for

37:08

the cost of gasoline. It comes to roughly six

37:11

and a half to seven rubles per liter,

37:16

or, of course, in the total price

37:21

it makes up about 65 percent overall.

37:26

The rest is made up of the producer’s costs,

37:29

as well as transport and refining costs, and some

37:32

minimal margin. If taxes continue

37:35

to rise,

37:36

then prices will inevitably go up too. But since

37:40

the government

37:42

is still firmly determined

37:45

to collect more for its own coffers

37:51

and is increasing the burden, I believe, this year,

37:54

they planned two increases

37:58

in gasoline excise taxes, and those measures

38:02

did have an effect — they pushed gasoline prices upward

38:05

already after the first increase in January, and

38:07

they kept rising after that. Now, in government circles,

38:10

they say they are considering

38:12

possibly making some reduction

38:16

in the excise tax, but apparently that has not

38:20

helped oil producers or refiners

38:24

much.

38:25

Prices will almost certainly keep rising, and we

38:28

can see that overall — I’m losing my train of thought here —

38:33

a component of this is

38:35

oil refining.

38:36

In other words, the refining margin right now

38:39

is already negative. If large

38:42

companies can somehow

38:43

offset losses from refining with

38:46

profits from exporting crude oil, for example,

38:49

then small companies, which are forced

38:52

to buy gasoline and diesel fuel either on the exchange or

38:56

directly from refineries,

38:59

do not have that luxury, and apparently

39:03

they are the ones who will be raising prices.

39:06

All right then, and now let’s move on to

39:10

Abramovich, because Zhora

39:12

will never forgive us if, on this

39:14

broadcast, we don’t discuss what is happening with him right now.

39:15

You’ve probably seen it in the news —

39:17

some truly remarkable things are going on

39:20

right now.

39:21

He did not get a UK visa, where he

39:24

naturally lives and where he

39:25

has been moving all his assets.

39:26

He also did not get a visa to Switzerland; he was

39:29

refused citizenship there, so

39:31

he went to Israel and obtained citizenship.

39:33

Strangely enough, for some reason he did not

39:35

go to Russia.

39:37

Even though, of course, he has a great deal

39:39

connecting him to Russia. As for Abramovich,

39:42

no matter how much Abramovich tries to present himself as an honest

39:46

businessman independent of the authorities,

39:48

he is absolutely nothing of the sort.

39:50

Abramovich is flesh of the flesh of the current

39:53

regime; it raised him, and even now he

39:56

simply pays off people

40:00

who are in power. This has been

40:01

proven many times over; there are many stories

40:03

about Abramovich simply handing over

40:05

yachts, millions of dollars, and in return

40:10

naturally he was able to keep accumulating

40:12

his wealth.

40:13

But among the most outrageous

40:15

cases, one can recall, for example,

40:18

something more recent — remember Shuvalov’s house

40:21

that is surrounded by houses without windows, you know,

40:26

the one where windowless buildings were constructed so that

40:28

there would be no view? Abramovich — or rather, his company —

40:30

was involved in building that project. There is also

40:33

a wonderful story involving Shuvalov

40:34

and Abramovich. Anyone who has long followed

40:37

the investigations of the Anti-Corruption Foundation (founded by Alexei Navalny)

40:39

or has simply followed Shuvalov or

40:42

Abramovich knows it perfectly well.

40:45

Not recently exactly, but a number of

40:48

years ago, a huge sum of money

40:51

suddenly appeared in Shuvalov’s asset declaration —

40:53

an enormous amount.

40:54

Tens of millions of dollars. He was

40:56

asked, “Shuvalov, where on earth did you get

40:58

that kind of money?” And Shuvalov replied, you know,

41:01

“Well, back when I was not yet in

41:04

government service and was working as a lawyer, I helped

41:08

Abramovich privatize Sibneft, if I remember correctly,

41:11

and for that Abramovich gave me

41:13

an option for half a percent of Sibneft.

41:17

So I exercised that option and

41:19

what do you think? No, those $50 million

41:22

that he received from

41:24

that option — he did not put them in a bank, but

41:27

loaned them out.

41:29

And according to Shuvalov, do you know to whom

41:31

he loaned them? To Alisher Usmanov — because that is

41:34

exactly the kind of person who so desperately needs

41:36

loans from Shuvalov. It may have turned out to be

41:41

quite a successful deal, because

41:43

he lent Usmanov $50

41:48

million and got back $118

41:51

million literally in

41:54

a very short

41:56

period of time. And you certainly will never

41:58

manage to put money in a bank or lend

42:01

it to someone at an interest rate like that.

42:03

And those $118 million,

42:05

which came from some very

42:07

murky loan that itself came from a very

42:10

murky Sibneft option — according to

42:14

Shuvalov, that is precisely what allowed him to buy

42:16

that legendary castle in Austria,

42:20

that legendary apartment in London, and in general

42:22

to live like some completely deranged

42:26

Arab prince — I don’t know what else

42:29

to call him.

42:30

Abramovich is also the man who

42:32

gave the yacht *Olympia* to Vladimir Putin. About this

42:36

wrote people who were directly

42:37

witnesses to that process.

42:39

They moved this yacht to Sochi, where it

42:43

remains to this day, and Putin

42:45

periodically uses this yacht there at sea.

42:47

Everything is simply blocked off by FSO officers (Russia’s Federal Protective Service), and

42:49

Putin sails on it to his residence

42:52

in Praskoveyevka. What else can be said about Abramovich?

42:58

What is really there, in fact?

43:00

There are too many details to go into.

43:02

I mean, just so you understand: if

43:06

Abramovich is being stripped of his British visa, that

43:08

does not mean that all Russian

43:10

businesspeople

43:11

are being denied British visas. No, this is an excellent

43:14

signal to all the people who pay bribes,

43:15

to the authorities who feed off this

43:18

power, who live off the favors

43:20

that this government grants them.

43:21

It says: guys, your money is not welcome here, and

43:24

that is absolutely right. I mean, listen,

43:26

if thieves broke into your apartment,

43:28

if people came in and made

43:30

a complete mess of it, and then people showed up with

43:32

money that they had stolen from

43:34

someone else—sure, of course they

43:36

paid you, but still, why would you want in

43:39

your country money that

43:42

was obtained through corruption? Why would you want

43:44

these criminals in your country? They are of no use

43:46

to anyone, and it is great that Abramovich

43:48

has run into this—I can only support it.

43:53

So, now

43:54

let’s move on to Georgy Reutov, because I can see

43:57

that, honestly, I do not even really want to talk

44:00

about it at length, because it seems to me that everyone

44:02

can already see that the oligarchy is now

44:05

tearing our country apart piece by piece and

44:07

dragging it abroad. This is not being done by

44:09

the opposition, and it is not being done by journalists. It is

44:12

being done by very specific people—people

44:14

who are fed by the authorities and are close

44:16

to Vladimir Putin. And now it is perfectly

44:19

clear that Abramovich went to

44:21

Russia, where his

44:22

business is, where he earns

44:25

money, while he went to Israel in order

44:27

to live in warmth and comfort.

44:31

Just so you understand: for both the oligarchs and

44:34

the authorities, Russia is a way

44:38

to make money, while the place to spend that money

44:41

and build a life for themselves

44:42

is not here. For them, Europe

44:45

and the United Kingdom are the places where they

44:49

plan to live someday, where they plan

44:51

for their children to live—and their children are already

44:53

living there now. And when this castle of theirs,

44:58

which has now turned out to be a house of cards,

45:03

starts collapsing literally

45:06

from the slightest breeze, for them it is, of course,

45:08

a shock, because they invested millions and

45:11

millions of dollars. They hoped to spend

45:14

a significant part of their

45:16

lives there. They hoped they could buy everyone off

45:18

and that with their money

45:20

they would get investor visas and everything

45:22

would be smoothed over across Europe with cash, while those

45:25

European politicians would be

45:27

so cynical that they would not

45:29

ask questions or sniff around

45:31

about where that money came from. But now, as far as I

45:34

understand, a process has been launched in the United Kingdom

45:36

after the poisoning of Skripal

45:38

to review these

45:40

investor visas and to begin

45:42

asking questions

45:43

of the people investing money: what

45:45

kind of money is it, and how was it

45:47

obtained? Right now, as far as I

45:49

understand, there is a review of the investor

45:51

visa of Abramovich.

45:52

And that is why he has run into difficulties. In

45:54

fact, Abramovich makes

45:56

his money in Russia, and yes, it really does smell bad.

45:58

He has construction

46:02

and development projects in Russia, and his

46:04

metallurgical company Evraz has a great many

46:07

interests there. When we did an investigation

46:10

in

46:11

2015 into Moscow’s garbage—where it

46:15

was being taken, and which companies were handling it—

46:17

Abramovich’s trail showed up there too.

46:19

So, even back in 2015, he

46:21

had a great many business interests in Russia. And of course,

46:24

he does not connect his life with Russia

46:26

at all. What the United Kingdom is doing

46:28

to stop the flow

46:31

of dirty money into the country

46:33

deserves enormous respect. They have now

46:35

done several very impressive things

46:37

that I wish Russia would do as well.

46:38

For example, there is a register

46:42

company beneficial owners.

46:43

What is a beneficial owner? A company’s beneficial owner may

46:45

be a shareholder, but that shareholder may well

46:47

be just a nominal figurehead who simply

46:49

signs documents.

46:50

If you go to a bank or

46:53

to a government office,

46:54

they ask you:

46:56

who is the company’s beneficial owner, who is the real

46:58

owner of the company? And the United Kingdom maintains

47:02

an open register

47:04

of the beneficial owners of companies

47:06

registered in the UK. That means

47:08

that even now you can literally go to the website

47:11

of the British registry, called Companies

47:12

House, and download the full dataset on

47:16

company beneficial owners.

47:17

They went even further: they published a complete

47:20

register, a full list of commercial and

47:23

residential real estate owned

47:26

by offshore entities and legal persons. In other words,

47:29

roughly speaking, if one of those

47:31

Russian crooks—or not crooks, just

47:34

ordinary people—has some company

47:36

in the UK that owns

47:37

real estate in the UK, then you can simply

47:39

match up the two databases,

47:41

both of them open and published by the British authorities.

47:43

The government says you will be able to search

47:46

for property this way, and they want to go

47:48

even further: they want to publish not just

47:50

a list of foreign companies, mostly

47:53

various offshore firms that own

47:54

property in the UK, but they

47:56

also want to publish a list of the beneficial owners

47:59

of those companies. Then, of course, that will be the end for everyone,

48:01

and all the crooks who

48:03

hid behind these companies in order to

48:05

buy British property — all of them

48:07

will float to the surface like fish...

48:10

You know what the reason is?

48:12

Compare that.

48:13

Well, I don't even know anymore. Georgy, that was excellent.

48:16

Simply the best. But since we're talking

48:17

about Abramovich, and airtime is running short,

48:20

we should probably also talk

48:21

about Usmanov.

48:22

Because Usmanov has essentially now

48:25

taken all of Russian sport into his own hands.

48:27

Including esports — even esports,

48:33

where some people will tell you that

48:37

esports isn't really sport, but

48:39

sport really has now ended up

48:41

effectively under Usmanov's control,

48:43

because he has placed his own people

48:46

in key positions. For those who don't know,

48:48

Alisher Usmanov

48:50

in addition to everything else, is also

48:53

the president of the International Fencing Federation.

48:56

The current sports minister is

48:58

Pavel Anatolyevich Kolobkov,

49:00

an Olympic champion and an Honored Master of Sport in fencing.

49:02

And just recently, a new lineup was formed

49:06

for the new composition

49:07

of the Russian Olympic Committee. Previously,

49:10

it was headed by Zhukov, the same man who

49:12

we could probably talk about at length as well,

49:14

but now that position has been taken by

49:15

Pozdnyakov, a four-time Olympic

49:18

champion in fencing, 44 years old,

49:21

who is also connected with the same

49:23

federation headed by Alisher

49:25

Usmanov. They say that it was he who was

49:27

the lobbyist — Alisher Usmanov

49:28

who pushed Pozdnyakov into this post. And in effect,

49:31

to put it briefly, the Olympic Committee

49:34

of Russia

49:35

is more involved in a kind of diplomatic

49:37

function, while the Sports Ministry handles

49:39

its own budget and the allocation of funds

49:41

for sport. And these two key positions

49:43

are now occupied by Usmanov's people.

49:46

So in effect, he is the

49:48

ultimate beneficiary, the owner, of this whole

49:50

sports story in Russia — of an entire country.

49:52

Yes, and why did you back off there?

49:55

Usmanov owns the famous estate in

49:59

Znamenskoye on Rublyovka (an elite residential area outside Moscow), in the Moscow

50:00

region. And by the way, Usmanov's wife

50:02

is Irina Viner, who is also very close to

50:06

the world of sport, to put it mildly.

50:09

He really is taking it under his control — he is taking under

50:10

his control, and moreover not only that.

50:12

He is taking control with the obvious

50:13

approval of Vladimir Putin, because there are also

50:16

other notable

50:17

members of the new Russian Olympic Committee,

50:19

including oligarch Gennady Timchenko,

50:22

who, I don't know whether he has ever been involved in sport

50:24

personally or professionally,

50:26

Roger, you probably know.

50:27

Timchenko? Gennady Timchenko — how close

50:31

is he to sport? No, I can't recall

50:34

any athletic achievements of his. Yes, he didn't

50:37

do judo together with Arkady and

50:41

Putin; he knew him through a different

50:43

channel. And Vladimir Kozhin, the former

50:46

head of the presidential administration's affairs office,

50:49

now an adviser to the president,

50:52

on military-technical

50:53

cooperation, is also a person who, judging

50:56

by appearances, to be honest, doesn't exactly look like

50:58

someone very close to sport, yet he too has joined

51:00

the Russian Olympic Committee. Clearly these are people

51:03

who are very good friends from the inner

51:05

circle of Vladimir Putin, who

51:07

have now been placed in the Olympic

51:08

Committee, apparently in order to

51:10

control the situation regarding the admission of

51:12

the national team to the next Olympics, the doping

51:15

scandal, to keep everything under control and

51:16

report directly to the boss.

51:18

Right, so what else do we still need to discuss today?

51:22

Baklanova, the main news, the biggest

51:25

headline: the 150th anniversary

51:28

Gazelle van has crashed into the bridge

51:30

In St. Petersburg there is a bridge that says

51:32

"A Gazelle won't fit through." In other words, this is

51:34

a special bridge — I follow this

51:36

story, and it gives me incredible joy.

51:39

The number of views — or whatever you call it

51:41

on your internet. For those who

51:46

don't know, Kolya, by the way, didn't know about this

51:48

bridge. There are masses of videos about it. It's been

51:50

famous for about five years already.

51:52

So yes, and among them

51:55

a huge number of times there have been

51:56

incidents recorded there.

51:58

In St. Petersburg there is a bridge that says

52:00

"A Gazelle won't fit through," and it's not just

52:03

written there for nothing — every time a Gazelle tries

52:05

to go through, and with remarkable

52:10

regularity, news appears

52:12

that yet another Gazelle has had its roof sliced off

52:14

under this bridge. And just the other day, it was the 150th

52:17

Gazelle. There was even a photo online

52:19

of a person who brought a cake to the site

52:22

with a candle marked 150

52:24

and celebrated the occasion. Yes, if you have

52:28

any other good news, be sure

52:29

to send it in. I have another excellent piece of news:

52:31

Russian Railways plans by 2025

52:35

to phase out gravity toilets.

52:38

These gravity toilets —

52:41

it feels like such an innovation, with

52:43

nanotechnology and all that, something absolutely remarkable.

52:45

A truly unique thing from *Interstellar*, aaa, actually.

52:47

It’s actually a vacuum toilet, and these are ordinary

52:49

toilets, and, excuse me, it’s basically just a hole

52:51

that can take quite a beating... you dug through the ice there.

52:54

These are old-school, the most old-school kind.

52:57

That’s what toilets in Russian trains are like, and that’s it.

52:58

Gravity, sure — but only in 2025.

53:03

When even the thousandth Gazelle van won’t make it across those

53:06

bridges, Russian Railways will refuse — there’s nothing left to protect in the floors.

53:10

At least somewhere, someone is writing something good.

53:13

A good comment in the chat. And as for Mish (possibly a person’s nickname), let him

53:15

just stay over there and mind his own business, and not

53:17

stick his nose into Russia anymore.

53:18

Why does he keep meddling in Russia, and where are

53:20

we supposed to earn money so we can spend it

53:22

on ourselves? He learned to push in, and he’ll keep

53:25

interfering in Russia, taking our

53:30

wealth and dragging it off in different

53:33

directions, the old way, to different countries and

53:35

by different means, as long as Vladimir

53:38

Putin is in power.

53:38

Unfortunately, nothing will change. What do you

53:43

think about the new program for tracking down

53:45

holding-company networks by *Novaya Gazeta* (an independent Russian newspaper), if anyone

53:48

hasn’t seen it — they put out something that looks

53:50

absolutely amazing. I saw it,

53:53

I’d seen them write about it a little before, but this

53:54

is an insanely powerful piece of work. They took

53:56

data on state procurement by state-owned

53:59

companies, they used the register of legal

54:03

entities,

54:04

they used the shareholder register of joint-stock

54:07

companies, and they built the following map:

54:09

they took these state contracts and traced from them

54:13

the links to companies, and it turned out that

54:16

a fairly large number of state contracts —

54:20

worth hundreds of billions of rubles (billions of U.S. dollars) for

54:22

each of the state companies, for Russian Railways, Gazprom, and

54:25

so on — hundreds of billions were going

54:27

to people connected to one another,

54:29

who shared common companies.

54:31

Roughly speaking, there were 10 to 20 people

54:34

linked to one another,

54:36

sharing companies that were not really independent,

54:38

with the same phone number, located at the same

54:39

address — and they were getting contracts worth hundreds

54:42

of billions of rubles. And now this

54:45

fairly large body of data, so far,

54:46

I think covering around 20 such holdings, *Novaya Gazeta*

54:49

has published as a huge resource for

54:51

investigation. It seems to me many people simply

54:54

weren’t ready to grasp the scale

54:55

of what had happened, because literally in

54:59

a single publication, *Novaya Gazeta* wrote

55:01

about how trillions of rubles

55:03

are flowing to people connected to one another.

55:06

There are separate groups that supply

55:08

Gazprom, separate groups that supply Russian Railways, and all

55:11

of these groups were outlined quite clearly,

55:13

like distinct clusters. All these people

55:15

were identified, and that’s already a substantial achievement.

55:17

I hope they release it publicly, but for now

55:20

you can read it on the *Novaya Gazeta* website — it’s

55:21

excellent material, an excellent techno-

55:24

logical, high-tech investigation.

55:26

We can take questions from the chat now, and in the meantime

55:29

I’ll talk about what investigations like this usually

55:31

lead to.

55:32

As someone who investigates cartels, I

55:35

can say that this really is

55:36

a major piece of work, a major achievement

55:38

by the journalists at *Novaya Gazeta*, but unfortunately

55:40

I’m overcome by very pessimistic

55:43

feelings when I think about how

55:45

all this will end, what it will lead to.

55:47

Most likely, the companies will remain untouched.

55:49

I mean, what will it lead to? Contractors

55:51

who collude with one another and

55:53

form a cartel — will they be convicted, will they go to prison?

55:55

Maybe, but I don’t know. I don’t know a single

55:59

case in Russia — or rather, it’s not just that I don’t know one,

56:02

I know there hasn’t been a single case in Russia

56:05

opened under Article 178 of the Criminal Code

56:08

of the Russian Federation, which states

56:11

that restricting

56:14

competition illegally, excluding participants

56:16

from tenders, and so on, is not permitted. In other words,

56:18

the article is about restricting competition, and it

56:19

says that for restricting or eliminating

56:23

competition, there is a possible prison

56:25

sentence — and yet there hasn’t been a single

56:28

case under that article. I don’t know of any.

56:30

No matter how much I looked through law-enforcement

56:33

statistics, however much I tried to find one, I

56:34

didn’t find a single case like that, and

56:37

that’s why I think that unfortunately

56:40

these cases will come to nothing. But

56:42

of course, transparency and public information

56:45

do make life harder for some people.

56:47

What *Novaya Gazeta* is doing is vitally important; we’re doing it too,

56:49

we’ll keep doing it, and we’ll keep pushing for

56:51

accountability, of course. Unfortunately, even

56:54

lately the antimonopoly service seems to have

56:56

gone down the wrong path, in the opposite direction.

56:59

There used to be at least some sense of justice, but it has gone

57:01

a bit the other way, because if

57:03

earlier I had

57:04

little hope in the police,

57:07

still the courts at least

57:09

would sometimes side with the service and impose at least

57:11

minimal administrative fines

57:12

for violations, whereas now very often

57:15

things have started breaking down and the service just

57:18

seems to let people off everywhere,

57:20

people involved in these huge cartels

57:22

worth billions of rubles. But listen, if we’ve started talking

57:24

about state procurement, state companies, and so

57:27

on, let me mention something remarkable.

57:29

I was talking about a closed report, but there are

57:32

excerpts in the media, and the general contents have been described there.

57:34

It’s a report by Alexander K., who was

57:37

recognized as Russia’s best investment

57:39

analyst in 2016. The report

57:43

by this man, who is now, after

57:44

this report, being fired from Sberbank (Russia’s largest state-owned bank),

57:46

said the following:

57:49

They’re pushing him out, and more than that, his

57:51

supervisor too — in short, this person had better...

57:55

A Russian investment analyst wrote

57:57

the following: that the real

58:00

beneficiaries

58:02

of Gazprom are neither the Russian

58:04

government nor the Russian state budget,

58:06

but Gazprom’s contractors, who receive

58:09

huge, completely unjustified,

58:12

meaningless and unnecessary contracts from

58:15

Gazprom.

58:16

Gazprom, for example, orders pipes for

58:19

hundreds of billions of rubles

58:21

for things that, first, are not needed and, second, cost far

58:24

more than market rates. Instead of this money

58:26

going to the budget in the form of dividends, it

58:29

is siphoned off as overpayment.

58:31

It goes to the people who work as contractors for

58:33

Gazprom. And who are Gazprom’s contractors in our country?

58:35

Well,

58:39

those working for Gazprom are friends

58:42

of Putin, and Viktor

58:43

— Putin’s friends and people close to him.

58:47

Among Putin’s friends and associates,

58:48

I simply don’t think there are such

58:50

naive people left who are still prepared to

58:53

wonder who that might be. Yes, it is

58:57

the Rotenbergs and Timchenko, old friends

59:01

of Putin, who own companies

59:02

engaged in construction and

59:04

various other kinds of work,

59:06

carrying out these contracts for Gazprom. These people

59:08

are in fact, as it was

59:09

written in the Sberbank report, people who

59:13

are effectively the beneficiaries

59:16

of Gazprom. That is the essence of it.

59:18

But listen, this is no secret, and

59:20

it had long been obvious to everyone already. The fact that it

59:22

was finally put down on paper is great, and the person

59:26

was not afraid to write it. And this

59:28

was the professional opinion of an excellent

59:30

analyst. It was his job to write

59:32

things like that, because he is paid

59:34

to give shareholders a sound

59:38

assessment, a sober and objective analysis

59:41

of what is happening in the company. Because of this,

59:42

he has now been fired. Before that, he had published

59:44

a report on Gazprom, and before that

59:46

he had published a report on Rosneft, and

59:48

the situation in both cases is actually dire.

59:50

In fact, both Gazprom and Rosneft are

59:52

companies of enormous importance to Russia. These are

59:55

not just some private companies

59:57

built from scratch; they are tied to the welfare of

1:00:00

all the residents of our country. We,

1:00:04

as citizens, have the right to know these

1:00:07

results. But in the end, reports like these

1:00:09

do not even lead to any scrutiny of the Rotenbergs

1:00:14

and Timchenko. But unfortunately, now we do not have that

1:00:16

right, and they also want to deprive us of the right

1:00:18

even to learn about it officially, which

1:00:20

of course

1:00:21

means that those who actually do

1:00:23

their job duties

1:00:25

are being fired. I very much hope, I

1:00:28

wish him the soonest possible new employment.

1:00:30

To Alexander and to his superior, Kudrin

1:00:33

(Alexei Kudrin), because for

1:00:37

your work—yes, specialists like that

1:00:41

are worth their weight in gold. By the way, I remember that

1:00:43

Alexander Fek actually

1:00:45

was recognized as Russia’s best

1:00:47

investment analyst in 2016.

1:00:51

I’ll say right away: the best people are simply

1:00:55

punished for their professional

1:00:57

qualities. It is just negative selection,

1:00:58

negative selection, and probably now

1:01:01

the people remaining at Sberbank are those who

1:01:03

will be ready to write whatever is required and whatever

1:01:05

is demanded. There was real value in

1:01:07

the product that was being made

1:01:09

by Sberbank; judging by everything,

1:01:11

if this is how it ended, then it was

1:01:14

fairly objective material

1:01:15

that was very useful for people

1:01:17

who invest in Russian

1:01:18

companies. Now the quality of that product

1:01:22

after this scandal, in the eyes

1:01:24

of shareholders and subscribers to this

1:01:27

product, has fallen. Because if before

1:01:29

they were receiving

1:01:31

what turned out to be fairly good and

1:01:33

objective material,

1:01:35

then after this they will be receiving

1:01:36

censored material. It is one thing when

1:01:39

you simply buy a newspaper and see

1:01:40

censorship there—well, that is kind of obvious to you.

1:01:42

Yes, there is censorship in newspapers; that surprises no one.

1:01:44

But if you are paying for a product on which

1:01:47

your financial well-being, your

1:01:49

investment portfolio, depends,

1:01:50

on which it depends whether you make money

1:01:53

this year or not,

1:01:54

and when you see that this product has become

1:01:57

worse simply because Putin’s friends did not like it,

1:01:59

then of course you will

1:02:00

refuse it; naturally, it will no longer be

1:02:04

of interest to you, and it will no longer serve your needs.

1:02:06

In this sense, of course, Sberbank itself

1:02:09

—this Sberbank division—has

1:02:10

lost a great deal of its value.

1:02:13

We could go on down the list for a long time

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of state companies and oligarchs about whom

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Georgy has something to say, but our time

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has come to an end. Just one final

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comment from one of our listeners:

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“It’s a stupid bridge. They need to put up a proper sign

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and a height-restriction bar before the bridge,

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as they should. I’m sure

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the person who wrote that the bridge is stupid was one of the drivers

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of some

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Gazelle van.”

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Number 103. Unfortunately, the good jokes

1:02:44

have run out, and the bad ones have too, and our airtime

1:02:46

has come to an end along with them. We

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will try to tell you about the main news

1:02:53

of this week, standing in for the irreplaceable

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Alexei Navalny, who is currently

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serving time in a special detention facility

1:03:01

under administrative arrest.

1:03:02

together with Ruslan, wider than the united one, at Kira Yar

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mice by Nikolai Baskov

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and and our other colleagues, others

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with allies and volunteers, they are now

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being illegally subjected to political

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repression. Sending big greetings to the Anti-Corruption Foundation

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and the headquarters to continue

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their work as always. Watch the channel

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Navalny Live and subscribe to our channel

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turn on notifications; they tell the truth here

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see you all at some

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next fillet, bye, meeting

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