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Good evening, everyone. It is exactly 8:00 p.m. in Moscow,

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which means that live on air is

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the program *Russia of the Future*, and I am its host,

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Alexei Navalny, or,

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as I was called this week, a host on the Karusel TV channel

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— not by Kremlin

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propagandists, but by a rather funny

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Twitter account.

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ИА Panorama is a kind of amusing

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pseudo-media outlet that publishes

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fake news.

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This week they wrote that I

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would be hosting on the Karusel channel, where I would

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tell children how to survive in a country

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of police lawlessness. Panorama

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regularly publishes this kind of

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news, and it is very funny to see that every

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time, some state

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propagandists fall for these stories and

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at first very eagerly

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spread them around, saying something ridiculous,

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claiming, “There you go, the liberals are at it again,” and

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“spreading fake news.” In my previous

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programs, I spoke a lot about

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all these constitutional amendments and so on.

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We discussed how no one

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understands what to do with this, and no one

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really understands what it is, and it is very important for me

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to know your opinion. This week we

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sent out a fairly large mailing to our lists

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to find out what you think about

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this topic, whether you understand at all what is

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going on there. Personally, I honestly

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do not really understand it myself, to be honest.

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There is a link in the description of this video. If

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you follow it, there will be no spam or anything like that,

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and if you simply confirm your email

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so there is no spam,

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there will be a survey there that will take

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two minutes, because I want to better

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understand what the audience of this

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program thinks about what is happening, about the process, and about various

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personal matters, including your attitudes

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toward certain politicians. So I would be

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grateful if, after this—or while you are watching

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the program, or even while listening—you

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could fill out this

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survey. Let me remind you that our

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donation system still seems to be working, so

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there is also a link there

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if you would like to support us, please follow

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that link. You can send me questions

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on Twitter with the hashtag #RussiaOfTheFuture, and I

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will try to answer them as

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usual.

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I’ll start with this: I just remembered

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how Panorama wrote that I

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would tell children how to survive amid this

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police lawlessness. I’ll begin simply with one

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story—not even specifically about police

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lawlessness, but in general about a kind of

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lawlessness overall, another spit in the

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face, something I do not even know how to describe.

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You have probably heard about the tragedy that

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occurred during the demolition of the Sports and

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Concert Complex in St. Petersburg.

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In St. Petersburg there is a huge

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sports and concert complex,

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a city landmark. It was built

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for the 1980 Olympics, and it was even

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considered for recognition as a historical monument

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because of its unique beams or structural elements.

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It is known throughout the city and across the country,

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a major sports venue.

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It is very large, and now they are demolishing it so that

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Timchenko can build something there again.

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Timchenko is Putin’s friend—everyone knows that, and everyone understands

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that

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Timchenko, a crook who has been friends with Putin

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since the 1980s, and who

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for a long time was the main seller of

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Russian oil abroad—in other words,

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one of Putin’s money men—first

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made money together with Putin from oil and

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essentially stole money, because from

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every barrel of our oil

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he profited, and now he is being handed

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enormous construction contracts. He

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has nothing to do with construction, but

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nevertheless he gets these

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contracts so that he and Putin can

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once again make money off them. And while they were dismantling all this,

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a tragedy occurred: a worker was working without

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safety gear. Well, of course, people

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want to maximize their profit, and to

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maximize profit, they need to

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cut costs, including spending

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on safety, and

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a worker fell and died. It was even

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captured on video by

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the photographer Serebryakov, who is quite well known, by the way.

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He has photographed me several times,

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actually. Let’s watch it—31

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seconds.

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Well, as you can see, all of this is of course

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monstrous from the standpoint of tragedy: a person died.

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And it is even more monstrous from the standpoint

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that no

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obvious safety measures

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were taken. Moreover, the people who were

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cutting that beam and sitting there

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did not have the slightest idea how

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this demolition was supposed to be carried out, because

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clearly all of this happened

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not according to plan.

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And yes, one could say that during demolition

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rules were broken, that such things happen. But I decided to talk about it tonight

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because

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the reaction—more precisely, the reaction of the St. Petersburg

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authorities—was simply absolutely

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fantastic. When everyone was outraged

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and began saying, “What on earth are you

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doing there? What kind of madness is this? A person has died,”

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the authorities of St. Petersburg—the governor

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of St. Petersburg and Smolny (the city administration)—said

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that, you know, they were not aware at all who

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was doing it; they do not know who was carrying out the demolition.

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The Petersburg Sports and Concert Complex (SKK) and this isn't exactly straightforward.

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They said

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it and didn't even laugh, and they expect us to

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believe it. But almost no one will believe it.

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But they really, in all seriousness, think

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that this is an explanation, because it's obvious

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that in a normal situation they should

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say: yes, this was done by a structure connected

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to Mr. Timchenko.

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Therefore, an investigation will now be carried out.

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A criminal case will obviously be opened.

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There was obviously a violation of safety regulations, and

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the company should have its license revoked; possibly

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the contractor needs to be replaced. In any case,

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work needs to stop for a while, and

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this contractor will obviously incur some

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losses, because everything has to be done

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properly. But this is Timchenko, so of course they can't

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say: you know, yes, something terrible

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happened there, and the license needs to be

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revoked. These are incompetent people,

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idiot engineers. But since it's a friend of

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Putin's, we'll just look into all of this.

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They can't say that, so they

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thought about it and then said: actually, we don't

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know who's doing it. But what is it, really? It's just

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only the largest sports

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venue with 25,000 seats in the second-largest

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city in Russia,

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a federal city. Someone is demolishing it,

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who the hell knows. Something like

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someone was digging there—I don't know who's demolishing it.

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And that's simply how everything happens

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in Russia in 2020. You can simply

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judge the sheer degree of contempt

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for public opinion, and the degree

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of willingness not even just to tell some

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ordinary lie—the daily lies of our authorities are

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just background noise by now—but this kind of lie is really

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completely absurd. How can they not

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know who is demolishing this massive facility,

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the largest sports venue in the entire

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country? They said: we don't know, that's it, moving on.

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Nothing more to comment on.

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And yes, apparently anything

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can burn down,

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collapse, and so on. If something

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burned down somewhere and it belonged to some

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businessman, they'd crush him—I don't know,

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ruin him, jail him. But if it's Timchenko,

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then suddenly we have no idea what happened, everything is

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just wonderful, and

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of course this once again confirms that we were

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right when we were going after that fugitive,

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that disgusting crook who became

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governor of St. Petersburg. Before his

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election, we urged people to vote against

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him. And once again I want to draw the attention

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not only of St. Petersburg residents but of the whole country

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to the fact that he must be fought—he is a real

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enemy.

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A scoundrel, a liar, a man who simply

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mocks all of us, mocks

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common sense. If you have any

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questions, send them to me with the hashtag #RussiaOfTheFuture.

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I'll answer them. But we started

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talking about St. Petersburg, and there,

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along with this outrageous story,

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another piece of news came out,

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extraordinary, simply remarkable.

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There are all kinds of news—good and bad—but in

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St. Petersburg, something happened

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that seems completely out of another world,

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the kind of news that simply cannot

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happen in Russia, and especially cannot

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happen in St. Petersburg.

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Because in St. Petersburg, suddenly,

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a court, right there in an official ruling,

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said that, you know, in the Chyornaya Rechka district

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there had been massive

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election fraud—fraud in favor of

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United Russia—and the entire election

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campaign was doing it for United Russia. And

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when I first saw this court

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ruling, I thought: this must be some new fake news.

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It couldn't be real. But the ruling is absolutely fair.

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You remember how the elections were conducted there

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in St. Petersburg—the municipal campaign.

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Not a single candidate was allowed in; it was

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complete lawlessness. People were beaten,

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literally physically assaulted by random thugs,

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commission offices were packed so that not

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a single decent candidate could submit

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their documents. In other words, everything was done

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so that the only candidates would be

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from United Russia, and only United

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Russia would win. And then some kind of—I don't know—

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eclipse, magnetic waves or something—hit the court,

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and somehow a judge, completely unexpectedly, the court

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took these documents and said it like it is.

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He said: you know, it says right there

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in the ruling that the only

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registered candidates were

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the only registered candidates were

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twenty candidates nominated

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by the political party United Russia.

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And this election commission—look below—

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committed unlawful actions,

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made unlawful decisions aimed

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at securing the election of a specific group

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of deputies. In other words, the whole country has been doing this

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for 20 years. The entire Putin system has rested on

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exactly this for 20 years:

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unlawful actions so that there would be

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an election result they wanted.

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Unlawful actions aimed

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at electing a specific group of deputies.

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And wow, that's written прямо there in a court ruling.

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That's really something. I mean, I don't know,

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maybe there will be an appeal and all that,

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it's an extraordinary ruling, but I certainly

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applaud this brave and honest

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judge—the only one of his kind in the whole country—

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who wrote

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things as they are and truly ruled according to the law.

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We'll see what happens next, but

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generally speaking, this ruling should lead to

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some kind of consequences.

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long-term consequences, because, well,

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in practice, this should mean that

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the next step should be the opening of

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a criminal case against a group of people who

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were part of an organized criminal group

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that carried out these illegal actions

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of course, all these people should be put in prison

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not just fined, because they did not merely

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violate election law

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they are outright thugs and criminals from

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a legal standpoint, we know that

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they are thugs and criminals, but now there is

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a court ruling that directly

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shows that they all need to be jailed

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the next thing I wanted to discuss, you

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will be surprised, I wanted to discuss news about

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Ukraine, because today I saw

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a fight between Ukrainian lawmakers. You know that

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I try to talk as little as possible about

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Ukraine, because absolutely every

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TV channel covers it, but this news really

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surprised me. Today I watched a fight

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in the Ukrainian parliament. In principle, this is

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not good when there is a fight in parliament

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but I do not see anything especially extraordinary

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in it. I do not think that a fight in parliament

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shows, let's say,

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the underdevelopment of democratic institutions

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after all, even in advanced democratic

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countries, fights certainly happen, but

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it is simply about what the fight there was over

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the pro-Russian deputies were fighting with

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everyone else because

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the pro-Russian, pro-Putin, effectively

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lawmakers, who are funded, let's

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be honest, through Russia, through

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Putin, were fighting with other lawmakers

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because of their opposition to the land law

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let's watch a few seconds of the fight

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in the Ukrainian parliament

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and this video is being actively shown on various

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channels. Have no doubt that it will be

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shown on all sorts of propaganda

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programs with a tone of, there you go, look,

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first of all, look at how

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things there are really, frankly speaking, not

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very presentable, and second, that these are

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pro-Russian deputies opposing

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the predatory land law. This whole

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mess is happening because of the law on

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land, and so the majority in the Rada (Ukraine's parliament)

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is voting for this law, it

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supports it, while the pro-Putin deputies

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oppose it and say that

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they are doing it to protect the people

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well, I decided to depart from my rule

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of saying nothing about Ukraine on my

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program, because the degree of

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dishonesty of these people is astonishing. In

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Russia, there is such a law, and the pro-Putin

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deputies in the Ukrainian Rada are fighting and

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shouting themselves hoarse against a law that exists in

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Russia and was signed by Vladimir

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Putin. The laws differ somewhat there, yes,

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but in essence, they adopted it here, Putin

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adopted it in Russia, such a law is needed in

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that sense. In that sense, this is not some kind of

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crime. One can talk about

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certain procedural specifics, or

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one can talk about how the level of

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corruption in Ukraine is such that this

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law will be implemented in such a way that

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everything will be stolen. But in Ukraine, as in Russia,

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in Ukraine in fact to an even greater

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extent, they still pocket everything. In that

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sense, it is an extremely corrupt country

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more corrupt than Russia

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but really, this is Putinist

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propaganda

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it simultaneously says what a

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wonderful law Putin adopted, and says

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that

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what wonderful pro-Putin deputies

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there are in Ukraine, who are not allowing through

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the predatory land law. It is just, I mean,

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there are people

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you know the expression "to change shoes in midair"

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they are practically changing clothes in midair; their

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trajectory of movement is not always

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even clear, you cannot even tell what shoes they had on

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to begin with, because this whole

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procedure is just an endless

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changing of shoes in midair, and in that sense

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it is simply amazing, this close coordination between our

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propagandists and the pro-Putin deputies in

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Ukraine, who on any issue simply

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give completely opposite

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answers, and this joint effort

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is simply astonishing, just

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astonishing. You watch it and cannot

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look away. 30,000 people are watching us

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live. Let's also talk about

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propagandists, because the thing that

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drove me into a kind of mini

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hysteria, I watched this video and

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laughed my head off

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very, very loudly, because you remember

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that in the previous program I told you

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about the strike that was organized

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by the Doctors' Alliance trade union in

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Sverdlovsk Region, and there is an absolutely

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monstrous situation there. Under the previous video

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I saw that one of the most liked

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of your comments was that

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"I watched this video from a hospital and

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cried." It really is hard

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to watch these

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women earning 11,000 rubles (about 120 USD)

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working in a hospital, and they are crying, they have

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a hospital that is simply falling apart

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they work in the laundry, and they have to do everything

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in cold water. It is all monstrous

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and all of it is horribly sad

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here you can see these sheets that

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I showed you: they wrap a corpse in them, and then

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...is simply handed over to sick people.

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This was Yekaterinburg propaganda's response to it.

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This was their response to everything. Let me show you.

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A video that was shown on the main

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regional TV channel in

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the Sverdlovsk Region, in Yekaterinburg. There is

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a chief

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propagandist there named Sheremet, and just imagine—

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Sheremet is basically a local, local

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Vladimir Solovyov (a prominent pro-Kremlin TV host), only even dumber and

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more brazen than Vladimir Solovyov. Let's

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look at what they said in response

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to the strike by people who live in

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the same region as them. They showed people there

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who don't want to work for 11,000 rubles a month

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(about $120 / €110), crying and saying, 'Fix our hospital.'

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And this is how the regional propaganda responded:

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In a town beginning with 'Bogu'—that is, in

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Bogdanovich—into the local central

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district hospital,

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a gang of provocateurs brazenly burst in broad daylight,

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a group of provocateurs directed by

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Navalny's associates, led by the head

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of the Doctors' Alliance trade union, the aggressive

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blonde Anastasia Vasilyeva.

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First of all, they barged into the office

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of the chief doctor and rudely began

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insisting that, it turns out, the hospital

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was already in the middle of a full-blown doctors' strike.

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They behave very arrogantly,

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raise their voices in an overbearing way, and think

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they own the place. Therefore this is

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a very dangerous organization that

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practically undermines the reputation of our

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institution.

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But as we've said before, and will say again: even in

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the well-fed breeding ground of the USA, the standard of living

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of ordinary people has not risen since the 1950s, while in

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Russia, people have never lived so well-fed

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as they do under Putin and United Russia. Anyone who wants

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to argue, write in or call us.

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It's easier to destroy than to build. Hey, provocateur, what have you

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gone and wrecked before running off to Canada? We in Russia

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still have to live here. They're saying this to the very same people

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who are right there, somewhere just

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I don't know, a few

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kilometers away, earning 11,000 rubles ($120 / €110), and telling them: 'But in

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America, the standard of living hasn't risen since

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the 1950s.' It's an attitude as if these

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people had crawled out of a cave or something. Any

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nurse in the Sverdlovsk Region knows

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that her colleague in America earns, when converted

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into Russian money, no less than

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200,000 rubles a month

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(about $2,200 / €2,000). That would be the very lowest-paid nurse; more likely

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it's much more. And it's just like in

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my Soviet childhood, when from

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the television they would say: 'Boy, Alexei,

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be glad you were born to work in

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the Soviet country, because in America

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you'd be working in some mine,

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some uranium mine or something like that.'

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That whole line about the so-called rotting

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capitalism, where people are dying of hunger, while in

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our Soviet country

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everything is wonderful, despite the fact that you're standing in

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line for milk for 40 minutes.

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But now it's 2020, and there's

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the internet, and still these scoundrels are

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telling us point-blank that in the USA,

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of course, the standard of living has been stuck in the 1950s,

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while in Russia people have never lived

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more prosperously than under Putin. Want

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to argue? As they say, get in touch with

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us. Seriously—you earn 11,000 rubles a month. Want

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to argue that you've never lived so

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well-fed? And separately, what's astonishing is this:

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I looked at the St. Petersburg штаб (headquarters/office),

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and naturally they were outraged too. And, well, the

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local journalists were outraged—in fact,

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the whole local community was, because everyone

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understands perfectly well that this crook,

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Sheremet, and this whole regional television outfit,

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is such a deeply loss-making operation. In

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2018 it posted a net

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loss of 14 million rubles (about $150,000 / €140,000). It

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is financed with regional budget money, which

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means money is taken from this woman earning 11,000 rubles

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to pay these

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people—if you can even call them that—

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who tell her that never before

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has she lived so richly. What's more, until

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recently this was simply such a

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really—well, a perfect example—until

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recently this television channel

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was owned

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jointly by the regional government and

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an offshore company from the British Virgin

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Islands. I mean, and then the share of those

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offshore companies was transferred to

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an oligarch,

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to a firm belonging to the structures of the oligarch

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Vekselberg. It's all mixed together—everything.

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Regional money, which has effectively been

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stolen from unfortunate people; offshore companies;

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some kind of oligarchic, oligarchic

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firm—so the whole mafia of bloodsuckers,

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starting with these journalists and ending with

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Vekselberg, the oligarchs, and regional

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officials, are parasitizing on this

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television channel and talking about

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the 'aggressive blonde,'

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Navalny's provocateurs who dare

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to demand some additional

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pay. It's just absolutely

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fantastic. I

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would of course like for people in

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Yekaterinburg—they all know this situation there—

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we just wanted to draw attention to it once

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again, and say a few choice words

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to those people who, in such an brazen

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way,

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mock and humiliate others. It's just that when we

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watch this, it looks—I would even say—

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I laughed when I saw it—like a kind of

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completely parodic report. But

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it's not even a parody report—this is actually

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real, and that's genuinely how they interpret things.

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the truth for our money to all of us, everyone who

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wants a pay raise should be fired, and

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aggressive blondes

22:41

we have never lived so richly, but that

22:44

is exactly the reason why we are all living

22:46

poorer and poorer, why we are in

22:48

poverty, and why people are earning 11

22:52

thousand rubles because we agree to listen to

22:54

these lies

22:54

in a normal situation, people would now be out on the streets of

22:56

Yekaterinburg and

22:58

would say: we demand the dismissal of

22:59

all those scoundrels who

23:01

dared to say such things. We

23:03

demand they be thrown out to hell

23:04

more or less. We demand higher

23:06

wages, the governor’s dismissal. As long as we tolerate

23:09

this, this is what happens. So let’s

23:11

look at the questions. 34,000 people are

23:14

watching live. Let me remind you that on

23:16

Twitter, with the hashtag #RussiaOfTheFuture, you can

23:17

ask questions. Grigory asks:

23:19

Grigory Rakov: tell us about the problems with

23:21

uranium mining in Kurgan Region

23:23

the head of the Kurgan штаб (regional political office) spoke about it

23:25

the head of the Doctors’ Alliance. Well, you can go

23:29

I won’t go into detail or get sidetracked

23:31

simply because right now I don’t know

23:33

the material well enough to

23:35

talk about it, but you can go to

23:37

the website of our штаб (regional office) in Kurgan

23:38

it really is a major problem there

23:40

Kurgan Region is one of the poorest

23:42

regions and one of the most troubled

23:45

environmentally, and not only

23:48

there really, this affects

23:49

people are being poisoned, and this is a very serious

23:51

problem

23:53

Fyodor Hill Fischer asks me

23:56

tell us what you think about the evacuation of our

23:57

fellow citizens from Wuhan to the city of Tyumen, and

24:00

in Tyumen we have many people who are for it

24:02

and even more who are against it. Thank you, I

24:05

will definitely talk about it. I have

24:06

it in the plan, I’ll talk about it a bit later

24:08

it made a big

24:09

impression on me. By the way,

24:12

thanks for writing, I didn’t know that

24:14

there are apparently some people in Tyumen

24:16

who are against this, and those who are in favor, and

24:19

the ones most opposed are those unfortunate

24:21

people who were brought to Tyumen. With all

24:24

due respect to Tyumen, those same people

24:27

had been promised they would be taken to the Moscow

24:28

Region, and instead they were dropped somewhere in Tyumen

24:29

we’ll definitely talk about it. Channel One

24:32

is blaring that the U.S. is infecting China with

24:34

the coronavirus. My coworkers

24:36

and pensioners believe it. I just can’t—I

24:39

wanted to show you this video, but Channel One

24:41

will get us banned. In fact,

24:43

there is now basically an entire section in

24:47

Channel One’s news that

24:48

is called “Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories.” Well,

24:51

they use that phrase, “conspiracy theories,”

24:54

and then go on to spout complete nonsense

24:56

I mean, it’s just lies about how

24:58

the U.S. invented the coronavirus, that inside the corona-

25:01

virus there is the AIDS virus, I mean

25:03

they tell the most outrageous

25:06

tall tales, again invented under

25:10

the slogan, under the label of “conspiracy theories,” as if

25:13

they aren’t real—but they are presented as real news

25:16

they look like real news, with

25:17

a real news anchor, and this is happening

25:19

on actual news broadcasts. And all of this is done

25:22

so that pensioners will believe it and

25:23

discuss endless nonsense instead of

25:27

discussing, in particular,

25:31

the state of Russian healthcare

25:34

let me talk a little about

25:38

write your questions, I’ll answer them, and

25:41

in the meantime I’ll tell you about the “years torn out”

25:43

that Vladimir Solovyov is promising

25:45

to arrange for our lawyer, Aleksandr

25:48

Golovach. And in general, they’ve got this whole

25:50

funny little confrontation going on between

25:54

Golovach and him on Twitter, I mean

25:56

between Golovach and Solovyov, which

25:59

however is now developing the way

26:02

any confrontation between any

26:05

person and Vladimir Solovyov develops

26:08

it consists of Solovyov

26:09

simply banning Golovach. The thing is

26:12

that, as you know—I talked about this—

26:15

some time ago Solovyov

26:18

made a film in which he simply glorifies

26:21

Benito Mussolini, and

26:23

he writes various texts where he basically says

26:25

what a wonderful man

26:27

Mussolini was, and in this

26:29

activity of glorifying Mussolini

26:30

he is actively supported by our mighty channel

26:34

Russia Today, by Margarita Simonyan, and

26:37

strictly speaking, what RT

26:39

does there with state money

26:40

receiving 22 billion rubles in subsidies annually

26:43

looks strange. But okay, if Vladimir

26:46

Solovyov likes Mussolini, that’s fine

26:49

you can tell in general by his whole

26:50

clothes, by his whole look, those

26:53

collars and all that, that he clearly

26:55

likes that sort of thing. But basically

26:58

he works as a Russian analogue of Goebbels

27:00

though Goebbels was at least some kind of

27:02

high-ranking figure; Solovyov works

27:04

as the Russian analogue of the people who

27:06

served under Goebbels and spread that deadly

27:09

Russian propaganda. In other words, he lies all

27:11

the time, so in principle it’s clear why

27:13

Solovyov

27:14

has a soft spot for fascists, and all these people

27:17

who lie endlessly. So he believes in it and

27:20

keeps pouring it on. In the end

27:22

it’s his personal opinion: Solovyov likes

27:26

fascists and fascist propaganda. But

27:29

at the same time, as you know, in Russia we have

27:31

an entire ongoing story about how

27:34

a huge one about what it means

27:37

that everyone who disagrees with some official

27:40

interpretation

27:42

in the official wording, basically what

27:44

these propagandists say, people like

27:46

Solovyov on Russian TV channels, is what

27:50

gets written in textbooks, and all sorts of people like that

27:53

all these people need to be jailed

27:55

a special criminal statute was invented here, as

27:59

you may remember, there was this episode

28:01

with the coordinator of our

28:03

our headquarters in Volgograd, they opened

28:05

a criminal case

28:06

because they made a photomontage of the famous

28:10

The Motherland Calls statue, with its face smeared

28:13

green, because in Volgograd I was attacked

28:15

with brilliant green antiseptic, and they opened a criminal

28:17

case for desecrating the statue, even though it was

28:20

just an image, and across the country they are opening

28:23

criminal cases against people who

28:24

said something the wrong way or thought the wrong

28:26

thing

28:27

about the Great Patriotic War (the Soviet term for the Eastern Front of World War II), and

28:29

our lawyer, Alexandra Golovach, and, well,

28:31

basically decided to do a mirror-image

28:34

version of it: if you, the Kremlin,

28:37

have made up all this nonsense

28:39

and at the same time your propagandist

28:42

is praising Mussolini, then let’s

28:45

use your

28:46

official idiotic criminal statute and

28:50

charge Solovyov and Simonyan with

28:53

rehabilitating Nazism. Let’s watch 40 seconds

28:55

of Golovach’s video and see who

28:57

Benito Mussolini was

28:58

A coward? No,

29:00

a very brave man, an athlete, a murderer,

29:05

an antisemite, a brute. Here it’s no longer about what

29:09

is written about him showing that he supposedly

29:11

treated women very respectfully, but

29:13

perhaps among such clearly pronounced

29:15

shortcomings, that would be the last one he had

29:17

On January 7 of this year, Solovyov

29:21

retweeted on his Telegram channel a very

29:23

frank post by a Russia Today columnist

29:26

Igor Molotov: “Vladimir Solovyov made

29:28

a very necessary film, necessary above all

29:31

because here the Duce is considered a maniac and

29:33

people do not understand that fascism and bastardized

29:36

Nazism

29:36

are different things. Mussolini was a brilliant

29:39

man who gave the world a third path, along which

29:41

Russia is partly traveling today

29:46

Mussolini was a brilliant man

29:49

who set in motion the path that

29:51

Russia is following at the beginning

29:52

And then they say: who was Mussolini?

29:56

An antisemite, a fascist, a Nazi thug? Of course not

29:59

Just replace Mussolini with

30:02

someone else — Bandera, for example

30:05

whom Solovyov talks about endlessly

30:08

or anyone else, Hitler. Who was Hitler?

30:10

A fascist [__] and a Nazi, but then

30:13

he built roads and started a brilliant

30:15

path. Who was Bandera? An antisemite

30:18

who organized pogroms? No, of course not

30:20

of course, he was brilliant, blah blah blah blah

30:22

blah — substitute any word with any

30:26

other surname. Solovyov’s film

30:29

is simply a justification of fascism

30:32

that is guaranteed to fall under a criminal statute, and in

30:34

that sense Golovach was absolutely right

30:37

to say: if you invented this statute

30:38

then go ahead and jail your own mouthpiece under it

30:41

under that statute

30:41

And Solovyov, of course, absolutely lost it

30:45

and immediately banned Golovach

30:48

and now on his program — why did I decide

30:52

to show this? What struck me was the very

30:54

expression: “we’ll give him torn-out

30:57

years”

30:58

Yes, that’s great — apparently it’ll be a new

31:01

meme, “to give someone torn-out years.” Let’s

31:02

watch how, on his morning show,

31:06

Solovyov gets outraged by what

31:08

was written by a person who understands nothing

31:10

about history and nothing about jurisprudence

31:12

and the point is that what he wrote contains an element

31:15

of false denunciation and slander, so

31:18

we’ll see, maybe we really will give him some torn-out

31:20

years. But the funny part is something else: he suddenly discovered

31:23

a film from 2013 — so he’s also

31:26

slow, too.

31:28

You see, in 2013 it was possible to justify

31:32

Nazism, but now, of course, with the

31:34

anniversary

31:35

75th anniversary of Victory, you can’t do that anymore

31:37

anymore. And so Vladimir Solovyov

31:39

interestingly enough, is trying to thread the needle

31:41

saying: now I’m different. Interesting

31:44

By the way, take a look at the investigation

31:46

on our own channel, Navalny Live

31:47

Golovach’s investigation — there’s a substantial

31:51

really great section there, apparently the one

31:54

that Solovyov is most outraged by

31:56

but which he keeps quiet about

31:58

it’s about Solovyov’s family and Sberbank

32:00

It turned out there that Solovyov’s wife

32:03

works at Sberbank, Solovyov’s son shoots

32:06

ads for Sberbank — so basically

32:09

the entire Solovyov family is feeding off

32:12

a state-owned bank, apparently in

32:15

exchange for some kind of PR

32:17

services, or I don’t know what exactly he does for them

32:20

That raises a big

32:22

question

32:24

for German Gref: why is he feeding this

32:27

whole gang? And I think we, and Golovach himself,

32:32

will keep working on this further

32:34

If you work at Sberbank and know something

32:36

about this family, write to us at

32:38

Black Box — google “Black Box” and you’ll find it right away

32:40

because it seems to me that it’s important

32:44

to talk about how this

32:46

man with a residence permit in Italy

32:48

and houses in Italy

32:50

who shouted that he would send his son

32:52

to Syria

32:55

But he didn't send him to Syria.

32:58

He sent him to Sberbank to make money at

33:00

the state-owned bank, a lot, a lot, a lot of

33:02

money. It's quite a curious story.

33:05

You have to admit, 40,000 people are watching us

33:07

live. Timofey Platonov asks:

33:09

"Alexei, what's going on with Ruslan? What

33:12

news is there about Ruslan?" The news is rather

33:16

interesting. Ruslan and our lawyers—

33:20

we have filed a lawsuit against the Ministry of Defense

33:21

because, quite obviously,

33:23

Ruslan, an employee of BK, was apparently

33:26

abducted and taken to Novaya Zemlya (a remote Russian Arctic archipelago). There, they are not

33:28

respecting his basic rights; they are not allowing him

33:30

even to send letters or receive letters.

33:32

They won't allow parcels either. And to make matters worse,

33:34

he was taken from home, and his family can't

33:36

even send him warm clothes or any kind of

33:38

supplies. Of course he has some army-issued things, but

33:39

still, somehow they need to send the guy

33:41

wool socks. But they can't do that

33:43

because no

33:46

correspondence reaches him. And the court ruled that

33:50

the detainee should be brought to

33:52

Arkhangelsk, where today's

33:53

court hearing took place. Our lawyer went there today,

33:56

and press secretary Kira Yarmysh went as well.

33:58

But the detainee was not brought to

34:01

the hearing from Novaya Zemlya.

34:03

So, as before, there is still

34:06

no contact with them. We are trying to achieve that, and

34:08

again, if you happen to be on Novaya Zemlya

34:10

and something like this has happened to you, and you're watching

34:12

this program, get in touch with us somehow

34:14

and tell us

34:17

what is happening. Nikolai Bayev asks

34:20

me: "Alexei, who do you think gave up

34:21

the creators of the Telegram channel *Cello Case*?"

34:24

There is such a channel, *Cello Case*.

34:27

A very funny channel—well, I mean, they kind of

34:30

they write, of course, not always very funnily,

34:32

but they insult all officials.

34:34

I mean, if they write something about

34:37

Peskov, for example, the intro will be something unusual like:

34:39

"serial pedophile, pervert"—

34:42

"Peskov did this and that," and all of it

34:44

is supplied with various hyperlinks. And this

34:47

channel undoubtedly irritated

34:49

our authorities very strongly, and I can absolutely believe

34:52

the story that they wrote something about

34:55

Mishustin, and

34:57

Mishustin begged the FSB. We know that they

35:00

are very sensitive about

35:03

truthful information about themselves. He begged the FSB

35:06

to do something about this channel.

35:09

Some people have been detained, and it is still not very

35:11

clear whether these people really ran

35:13

the *Cello Case* channel.

35:15

As I understand it, the Telegram channel is still

35:17

there now, and all the posts are still in it. You

35:19

can go there, but it is not being updated

35:21

because, whoever these people were, their

35:24

SIM cards were taken away, or they were simply intimidated and

35:27

told, "We know who you are,

35:29

so if you write anything else,

35:31

we'll kill you." In short, something happened to them,

35:33

but for now it is unclear who these people are.

35:35

Of course, I do not always agree with

35:37

the editorial policy of *Cello Case*.

35:39

It seems to me they were involved in

35:45

some kind of commercial activity around it. Well,

35:46

for example, they went after

35:48

Kostin very aggressively and wrote about Kostin and Asker-zadeh

35:51

a long time ago, but then at some

35:53

point, when Asker-zadeh began buying up

35:56

blocks in all the media, *Cello Case*

35:58

for some reason stopped writing—specifically, about our

36:00

investigations.

36:01

They did not write a single word, and that

36:04

really seemed like some kind of sign that

36:06

either they had been intimidated or they had been paid.

36:08

I don't know, and I won't make false accusations, but

36:11

overall the channel was good. I want to send

36:14

them my regards, express my support, and hope

36:16

that they won't be swallowed up, that they won't be turned into

36:18

yet another Potupchik-style channel

36:21

that spreads lies like that.

36:25

Dmitry Kharitonov asks me:

36:27

"Alexei, have you seen that interview with Alena

36:29

Vodonaeva? What do you think?"

36:30

I have read a lot about this interview.

36:32

About how Alena Vodonaeva was telling

36:35

the blunt truth. I will definitely watch it; for now

36:37

I haven't yet. She certainly criticizes our authorities

36:41

quite fiercely.

36:42

And, very importantly, she is not afraid. As for

36:46

all sorts of Instagram divas and the like,

36:48

we'll talk about them at the end of our program.

36:49

But Vodonaeva is great, at least

36:52

because she is not afraid to express her

36:54

opinion, whatever it may be, and is not afraid

36:58

to criticize our supreme

37:00

commander-in-chief, who this

37:03

week, well, just

37:06

—I had been waiting for this, waiting, though honestly

37:10

I did not really expect it to happen for the 15th

37:13

time, because everyone has already laughed at the phrase

37:16

"there's no time to waste."

37:18

Everyone, absolutely everyone, has laughed at it already.

37:21

He has said it publicly at least

37:26

on television—not just that we must get down

37:29

to work and that there is no time

37:31

to waste—at least 14 times. Let's

37:34

first take a look

37:35

at a roundup of how Putin talks about there being no time

37:38

to waste throughout his

37:40

presidency, many, many times. Without

37:43

wasting time, I would like

37:45

the deputies, including those elected

37:47

for the first time, to get to work as quickly as possible, without delay.

37:50

I very much count on

37:52

everyone understanding that this

37:56

initial stage is over and, without

37:58

any further delay, getting down to

38:00

joint work. You know this well,

38:02

so I very much ask you, without delay, not to

38:05

drag your feet and to get to work.

38:08

There is a great deal of work to be done in this area.

38:11

In any case, we need to act without

38:12

any delay, as quickly as possible, the speaker says,

38:14

without any so-called "warming up." We still have

38:17

a lot of hard work ahead of us.

38:19

There is no time for warming up, we have no

38:23

time for warming up, as I already said.

38:24

A lot of time for warming up will not

38:27

be needed; there is simply no reserve of time for warming up

38:29

for any further dithering and coordination.

38:32

There isn't any. This has long since turned into a meme—a meme

38:37

about how they don't do a damn thing, they only

38:40

say one thing after another, and behind the words

38:42

"there's no time for warming up," nothing

38:44

happens. In other words, the words are spoken, and then

38:46

nothing happens, and a year later there's a new

38:49

meeting, and the person speaking says nothing was done:

38:50

"Guys, we need to get moving, there's no time for

38:52

warming up, no time for warming up." The ministers nod,

38:55

after which they disperse again and

38:57

go back to their own business—building

38:58

their dachas (country houses). And then there's a new government, and everything

39:01

starts over again: no time for warming up.

39:04

Putin comes out and repeats his own

39:06

now truly legendary phrase: "Therefore, I believe

39:09

that the current lineup has absolutely no

39:14

not even one minute to warm up—simply

39:16

no right to do so." That's exactly what I mean.

39:19

The best part is that at that moment

39:21

the camera shows Siluanov

39:23

—you know, Siluanov, who has been sitting in this

39:26

government for years, and by now he has

39:29

heard this "warming up" line 14 times, and still he

39:32

hasn't done a damn thing. And in general, all of this—

39:34

they're trying to build a new

39:37

legend for us: that government failed,

39:39

sure, the old government failed,

39:41

but now new people have come in.

39:43

Mishustin has arrived, and now, you could say, they can once again

39:46

claim there's no time for warming up.

39:47

And supposedly they'll finally start working. But that's

39:50

nonsense: it's the same people sitting there. Out of

39:53

the 22 members of the government, 12

39:57

key figures remained. In other words, it's all the same

39:59

people under Mishustin's leadership,

40:02

and he too has been in this government

40:05

and in public service for 22 years already.

40:09

And now these same old

40:11

pointless idlers, who are

40:13

pointless idlers not because

40:15

I'm calling them that on my program,

40:17

but because we have 20 years of experience

40:20

watching them. You know, if you spend 20 years

40:22

observing monkeys in a zoo, and

40:25

you see that the monkeys lie around lazily, eating

40:30

bananas, and one of them periodically says

40:32

something like, "There's no time for warming up," or

40:34

whatever it is she's saying there in

40:36

monkey language, while all the others just

40:38

kind of nod their heads and keep

40:40

lying there—if after 20 years we've figured that out,

40:42

I mean, if we know enough about the monkeys

40:44

to write a book about

40:46

them—then when one of the monkeys

40:48

says something resembling words about

40:50

warming up, the other monkeys do nothing.

40:52

And here it's exactly the same.

40:55

It was just so funny to watch

40:57

Siluanov and all the others when

40:59

they hear, "There's no time for warming up, guys,"

41:03

and think, sure, we've heard this for the 15th time, and

41:06

nothing will happen except this

41:08

—nothing except

41:10

nothing at all beyond that.

41:12

What's funny is that Putin keeps saying it.

41:15

I mean, maybe you could imagine

41:18

that he doesn't know about

41:20

the existence of this meme.

41:21

As is well known, Putin doesn't use

41:23

the internet, and the internet is brought to him

41:24

printed out—maybe, I don't know. Maybe

41:26

Peskov (Putin's press secretary) is setting him up in a funny way, and they themselves

41:29

are waiting for this phrase. Medvedev used to have

41:31

this thing where he would fall asleep everywhere, and

41:33

everyone would always wait for him to close

41:35

his eyes so they could take a screenshot and write,

41:36

"Ha ha, Medvedev fell asleep again, fell asleep at

41:39

the meeting." So with Putin, the government members themselves

41:42

are basically playing bingo and saying,

41:44

"What are the odds the old man says something today about

41:45

warming up? Ha ha, let's see." That's about the 15th time.

41:48

He's said it.

41:48

But overall, all of this is of course really

41:51

sad, because

41:53

it illustrates that in reality, apart from

41:56

empty talk and ritual repetition of the same

41:58

thing over and over, there is simply nothing else.

42:00

Nothing is happening, and nothing will happen

42:04

except

42:05

for mutual encouragement, like, "Come on, guys,

42:07

let's go, there's no time for warming up,

42:10

no time for warming up." Apart from that,

42:13

there is absolute emptiness: no ideas,

42:16

no plans, no road maps. Or rather,

42:18

all of that did exist—it was there, it was

42:20

approved in 2008, 2009, 2010.

42:24

It was called Program 2020, and it completely

42:26

failed. And now the same people, slightly

42:29

reshuffled, are sitting there telling each other

42:31

that they don't have

42:33

any time for warming up.

42:34

And this kind of absurdity,

42:40

this absurd discussion, the absurdity of the context and everything around it,

42:43

of course reached one of its peaks this very week.

42:47

It somehow showed one of

42:49

its high points, its culmination.

42:51

It was Putin's meeting with people in

42:53

Cherepovets, and it looked quite something.

42:59

Obviously, the president—the president of Russia—

43:02

of a country at war, needs security measures.

43:05

In that sense, I'm fine with it.

43:06

When, you know, at the start of

43:09

some summit, he goes to the bathroom and

43:12

six bodyguards go with him—well, he isn't supposed

43:14

to wander around alone somewhere; he's

43:15

the president.

43:16

When Trump goes to the bathroom, or Obama did, with

43:18

26 security guards around him—basically,

43:21

he is the president of a huge country at war.

43:24

countries, and there are many people in the world who

43:27

want to kill him, or do something to him,

43:30

so he has to be protected. Well, if you have to be

43:33

protected, and it is very important for you to hold this

43:37

meeting with people, then bring them through

43:39

some checkpoint somewhere, and don’t pretend that you

43:43

just happened to run into people. But again,

43:45

they bring Putin the internet in printed form,

43:48

so they still live in

43:49

a reality where they think, let’s stage

43:52

some kind of choreographed meeting and say that

43:54

Putin just happened, purely by chance, to stop the car

43:57

he was just driving by, saw that people were standing there, some men

44:00

and told the driver, all right, driver,

44:03

please stop the car, I’m going to

44:05

get out now and talk to the people. They stop

44:07

the car, and then he goes and talks to the people.

44:09

Let’s see how all this was shown

44:11

on television.

44:13

[applause]

44:20

[music]

44:30

Just random people outside a Dixy grocery store (a Russian discount supermarket chain).

44:32

Well, it’s kind of strange that they’re

44:35

standing behind that little barrier,

44:36

waiting for you. But then, when we saw video from

44:40

another angle, it became clear that this

44:43

“chance encounter” had been prepared for a very long time.

44:45

Let’s watch 37 seconds of what this video

44:48

actually looked like.

45:29

Putin’s “chance encounter” with the people was

45:32

basically a military operation: a cordon,

45:35

FSO barriers, checkpoints, a sniper sitting on the roof

45:39

in advance, watching how Putin would

45:42

meet with the people. Why the hell—this is

45:45

the question for Putin—why is this necessary, and whom are they

45:48

trying to fool this way?

45:50

That’s first of all. Second, it really

45:52

shows the full extent of the alienation. People often

45:56

have to say that people supposedly love

45:59

to say this sort of thing: that Putin, of course,

46:01

is supposedly out of touch with ordinary people, but this

46:03

really shows just how out of touch he is

46:05

with the people. It’s a well-known thing that any

46:09

big boss interacts with whom? “I

46:11

know how ordinary people live—I talk to my driver,”

46:13

he says. He talks to his driver, his secretary,

46:16

someone else around him; sometimes he

46:18

meets a cleaner in the hallway.

46:20

He says, “So, Galina, how are things

46:22

going?” “Fine, Vladimir Vladimirovich (Putin’s first name and patronymic, a formal Russian mode of address),

46:23

everything’s fine. They raised my pension recently,”

46:26

“there was an indexation.” And that is what his

46:30

experience of communicating with people is made up of. If for 20 years

46:33

all the “people” you see are

46:36

specially prepared grandmothers, every

46:38

other one carefully vetted,

46:40

behind a fence, under watch, under the sights

46:44

of a sniper, waiting for several hours

46:46

for you to stop and supposedly

46:48

talk to them by chance—yet he himself can see it all.

46:50

Surely Putin notices the sniper too,

46:53

notices the people, notices all of this,

46:56

that everything is cordoned off, and he understands that he is taking part in

46:58

this whole farce. And yet,

47:00

this farce is being fed to us on the one hand,

47:03

but I am absolutely sure that he

47:05

functions within it himself, so they really

47:07

are completely cut off from the people. And all these

47:09

reports—I opened my program with

47:11

a TASS report,

47:13

and a report from Yekaterinburg television, saying that

47:14

since the 1950s everything in America has been going downhill,

47:17

the people are getting poorer, while under Putin

47:19

people live well. He really, over these

47:22

20 years, has come to believe that everyone lives well

47:24

only because of him, while the whole world is collapsing

47:27

around him. In the end, if day after day you see only

47:29

people who

47:32

are happy and cheerful and

47:35

everything is wonderful for them, and they wish you

47:38

success, then of course you start to think that’s really how it is.

47:41

These are serious people, after all.

47:42

You met them on the street. Sure, in blogs

47:45

some people grumble, and some

47:47

journalist occasionally says something, but most likely

47:48

the Americans paid them all, of course.

47:51

“When you meet people on the street—I talked

47:55

to the people,” Putin tells

47:56

his ministers, before saying

47:58

the phrase “there’s no time to waste”; “I was

48:00

talking to people, and they explained to me

48:02

that pensions are fine,”

48:04

“now we need to adopt in the Constitution

48:06

a decision about some kind of

48:07

indexation, but everything is fine. I’ve

48:10

seen the people, I know. And those who are unhappy are

48:14

unhappy for some particular reason.”

48:16

And that reason, of course, must be connected to the fact that

48:18

someone paid them or bribed them.

48:21

So please instruct the FSB (Russia’s Federal Security Service)

48:23

to check how things really are arranged,

48:25

because, well, it can’t possibly be

48:27

that everyone is perfectly happy and only some

48:30

small group is dissatisfied—they must be dissatisfied

48:32

for some reason. This is really deeply rooted

48:34

in his mind, including because of such

48:37

staged meetings. And I often talk about how

48:42

some things like this,

48:43

symbolic and ritualized as they may be,

48:45

lead to a kind of extreme degradation

48:47

of the state. Just imagine: the entire machine

48:49

of lies is already functioning in a way that is

48:52

almost like North Korea.

48:54

They rounded up people, positioned snipers,

48:57

set up the television crews, and these camera operators

49:00

are standing in the cold, shifting from one foot to the other,

49:02

because in a moment there will be a false

49:05

report about how Putin met with

49:07

the people. They know it, he knows it, the people

49:10

standing there know it and understand that they are going to

49:13

pretend to be random passersby. It is simply

49:15

this enormous whole structure

49:18

of lies, which of course distorts everything.

49:21

And after that, these people working in

49:25

television will of course lie about anything

49:26

at all, because, well, because they have already

49:28

taken part in something completely

49:30

absurd—a staged lie, almost comedic in nature.

49:32

Of course, all these "artists" are employees

49:34

of the special services. What honest service can we

49:37

expect from them if they take part in such a

49:40

grand, mega-scale lie?

49:42

Every, every, every day, and without

49:45

a written order. But in principle, it would have been possible,

49:47

probably no one would have killed Putin. But if

49:49

he had simply, by chance, suddenly, without

49:52

preparation—terrorists, after all, do not know that

49:54

he will get out of the car, walk into a Dixy (a Russian discount grocery chain), and go

49:56

chat with ordinary people.

49:58

He will never, ever do that, because

50:01

in reality, people there would not

50:03

rush at him with their fists—they would say something like,

50:05

"Our salaries are 11,000 rubles a month (about $120)," and that is exactly what he

50:08

does not want to hear. And so

50:10

he pretends as if no one is

50:12

telling him that, and as if no one ever will. And in that

50:15

there is, of course, a grand metaphysical

50:19

problem of constant deterioration—

50:21

a samsara-like worsening, the deterioration of the situation in Russia is

50:24

connected with this as well. No,

50:27

someone asks me whether, in response to

50:28

lawsuits for insult, one can file suits for

50:31

defamation. You can, but they can only be considered

50:34

in theory—no one will actually do it, because lawsuits

50:36

for insult against you will be filed

50:38

by officials, while defamation suits will be filed

50:41

by you against officials,

50:43

and you will definitely lose them—unless

50:46

there happens to be a judge like the one in

50:48

St. Petersburg, who issued the ruling I

50:50

mentioned at the beginning of the program. Andrei

50:52

asks me: the Finance Ministry and the Central Bank

50:54

are preparing a law, by analogy, on pensions—13

50:56

percent. What do you think about that?

50:57

I do not know anything about it.

51:00

Perhaps Vladimir Milov spoke about it on his program,

51:03

but I would have difficulty right now

51:07

saying anything that I am one hundred

51:09

percent sure of. Someone asked me about the evacuation,

51:14

and if we can bring that person's question up again later,

51:16

the listener from Tyumen asked me visually—

51:19

asked me what I think about the evacuation

51:23

that took place. It really

51:25

was discussed, and it does deserve

51:30

discussion, because it was, of course,

51:33

also something like

51:36

a bizarre act of state propaganda

51:38

that turned into a fact of collective

51:41

humiliation for our country. Here, Fyodor...

51:43

Alexei, I will repeat the question once again:

51:45

tell us what you think about the evacuation

51:47

of our fellow citizens from Wuhan to the city of Tyumen.

51:49

I am from Tyumen myself. There are many of us here who support it,

51:51

and even more who are against it. Thank you. I

51:54

think it was a real disgrace and

51:57

humiliation. What happened was this: there are citizens

52:02

of Russia in China, specifically in Wuhan,

52:05

and some of them voluntarily said,

52:08

"Evacuate us." They said they wanted to be taken out

52:10

to Tyumen and to the Moscow region.

52:12

Many countries were evacuating people from

52:16

China—that is normal. And so our

52:18

fellow citizens saw that, for example,

52:21

the Americans were taking people out of China, and it

52:24

looked a certain way.

52:26

There are many different photos

52:28

showing how evacuations happen.

52:31

Take the Germans, for example—let us look.

52:33

Show us what the evacuation

52:35

of the Germans looked like. Well, the Germans—usually

52:38

they sent regular passenger planes, after all.

52:40

It is important to understand: they were not evacuating

52:42

sick people. They were not necessarily sick.

52:45

These were simply people

52:48

who were in an area where they could

52:50

become infected, and they were sent on ordinary

52:52

planes. These people were transported under the supervision

52:54

of medical staff. They were treated like

52:57

human beings, not like people who, you know, had just

53:00

been bitten by a zombie and therefore

53:02

would, in about 5 to 7 minutes,

53:04

turn into a zombie and had to be restrained

53:08

in advance, while the person could still say,

53:09

"Sorry, Petya or John, you understand

53:13

what is about to happen to you, so now I am going to

53:15

tie you to the seat so that when this

53:17

happens and you start screaming, saying a stake has been

53:19

driven through your heart..." And John, in tears,

53:22

says, "Yes, kill me, brother, because

53:25

in an hour I will become a zombie." There was nothing like that. They were

53:29

just people. They were not sick, and most

53:31

of them were not sick. That is how the Germans were transported.

53:33

That is how the French were transported. Show us

53:35

how the French were taken out—the French were transported like this too.

53:38

The same thing. You see? Doctors, an ordinary

53:41

passenger plane. The Turks were transported the same way.

53:43

Show us the people from

53:46

Turkey. And citizens of Kazakhstan were taken out like this too.

53:49

They were evacuated in much the same way,

53:52

again on a regular passenger plane. But

53:54

they sat wearing masks. These were normal,

53:56

ordinary people. They would be brought in, checked, and if

53:59

necessary, maybe placed in quarantine. Well,

54:02

they were treated like human beings, and that

54:04

is logical. So what the hell happened in Russia?

54:07

First of all, some kind of

54:09

completely vile PR stunt was staged. It was announced:

54:14

"We are evacuating everyone. This is very important." And

54:17

suddenly, to bring them back, we send not just

54:20

a plane—it was not even that many people.

54:21

You just needed to send a plane.

54:23

There are plenty of planes in the country, [__], judging by the fact

54:26

that all sorts of people fly around on them—

54:29

askers, Svetlanas, Medvedevs—every minister,

54:32

officially, if we look at state procurement records,

54:34

takes a plane for any little thing, just

54:37

to fly from city to city. So there was no

54:39

problem chartering one and sending it, as

54:41

all the other countries did—

54:43

an ordinary plane to bring these people back.

54:45

It is quite a long flight. They are flying, they

54:47

need to be fed, they want to go to

54:49

the bathroom.

54:50

They want to sit in a seat and look out

54:52

the window, like people do on airplanes. But no, damn it,

54:55

we sent a military transport aircraft for them.

54:58

an Aerospace Forces plane, and over all of this

55:01

Shoigu (Russia’s defense minister) will be shamelessly promoting himself

55:03

some other people, and they were flying, but

55:06

seriously, what was this—even Kotovsk, this base

55:09

some kind of flying spectacle was staged, show

55:12

how our people were flown—it’s no wonder that

55:15

one of the most popular comparisons

55:18

for this flight was with the way

55:23

dogs are transported

55:25

Deputy Prime Minister Shuvalov—we did

55:28

an investigation into this too, yes, he transports dogs to

55:31

shows on a private jet

55:34

that costs several million

55:36

dollars, while here, again, these are people

55:40

just ordinary people, basically

55:44

most likely not sick, but still, just look

55:47

at the photos: they were transported on a

55:49

cargo plane, and they waited

55:51

and later said in interviews that there was no

55:53

toilet there; instead, on the plane they had set up

55:56

tents, and inside the tents there were buckets

56:00

tell me, please—even Onishchenko (Russia’s former chief sanitary official), of all people,

56:03

as fanatical as he is, said that from the

56:05

sanitary point of view, this was

56:07

monstrous. So, 50 people are flying, and possibly

56:11

one of them is sick, but the task, presumably,

56:15

should logically be to make sure they don’t

56:16

infect one another. But if instead of

56:19

a normal toilet we set up a tent, and in the

56:22

tent we put a bucket, and for several

56:25

hours of flight they have to use that bucket in the

56:27

tent, then that is probably, quite literally,

56:30

creating the conditions

56:33

where, if one person is sick, they will

56:35

infect everyone else there. What

56:37

happens next? They are told, “We are taking you

56:40

to Moscow, to the Moscow region,”

56:45

and then suddenly—well, because they’re, you know,

56:48

basically zombies—if you warn them in advance, they’ll

56:51

start tearing their clothes off and

56:53

smashing the windows—so they are taken

56:56

to the Tyumen region. So there was no money for

56:59

a proper plane, but there was money to

57:02

put them in a boarding house

57:04

and, within a day, equip that boarding house

57:06

with a bunch of surveillance cameras and set up a double

57:09

cordon of Rosgvardiya (Russia’s National Guard), and then proudly announce

57:12

it: “You know, we put up a double

57:15

barrier—no zombie will fly out or run away.”

57:19

You were asking me who is for it and who is

57:21

against it. Viewer from Tyumen, don’t worry,

57:24

dear viewer from Tyumen: not one of these

57:26

supposed terrifying mutants

57:29

they brought in will smash a window or

57:32

make it to you and bite you, because on the

57:34

way, either the first Rosgvardiya cordon

57:37

or the second fearsome Rosgvardiya cordon

57:39

will shoot them. Honestly, what kind of

57:42

idiocy is this? These are ordinary

57:45

people, yes, they need to be placed in quarantine

57:47

People get sick with coronavirus and

57:49

recover; the death rate is relatively high

57:53

relatively high for this

57:55

disease, but it’s not something like one hundred

57:57

percent, or 90, or even 10 percent

58:00

of the people who get sick dying. These are

58:02

ordinary people, and they deserve normal

58:04

humane treatment. What kind of

58:06

absurdity is this?

58:07

Well, it’s like they chose Tyumen in case

58:10

they break out and start biting people, and

58:14

the residents of Tyumen and their whole families get infected,

58:17

then we’ll basically be able, without major

58:19

losses, to drop a damn atomic

58:21

bomb there and burn them all, like they show in movies

58:23

—there are vast, snow-covered

58:28

open spaces there, which will prevent

58:30

any surviving zombies and the virus floating through

58:33

the air from reaching any densely

58:36

populated areas. Seriously,

58:37

at the same time, there are things that make this situation

58:41

—two things happening that make

58:43

the situation completely hellishly comical

58:47

and idiotic. You know that at the same time as

58:51

the double Rosgvardiya perimeter, with

58:55

surveillance cameras and so on, they are still

58:58

selling stays there. How is that possible—someone

59:01

I mean, they placed these people in a

59:03

guarded sanatorium, right? But there

59:05

they didn’t take up all the rooms, and the sanatorium

59:08

is operating as usual. Journalists from

59:10

Open Media simply called and

59:13

asked whether this was the same sanatorium

59:16

and whether you could come there just by buying

59:17

a stay for 1,500 rubles (about $16)

59:19

Let’s listen. “Hello, could you

59:23

please tell me, is your weekend offer

59:25

valid? I’d like to book a room.”

59:29

“Yes, you can book a stay. Which one would you like?”

59:33

“A regular one or a treatment package?”

59:40

“A single room. There’ll be just one person—well, me.”

59:45

“I’ll be alone. Is it possible for this weekend?”

59:51

“Just one question: I heard that at the

59:55

sanatorium in Tyumen they brought in

59:58

people evacuated from China. Isn’t that the place

1:00:08

where the people from China were taken?”

1:00:09

“I’d like to be sure it’s safe.”

1:00:15

“The patients are in another building.”

1:00:27

“I was already planning to come.” “You’re not just…”

1:00:30

They simply didn’t want to answer the question. “Booked, thank you.”

1:00:36

I mean, it’s just absolutely astonishing

1:00:39

—they stage this nationwide clown show:

1:00:41

military plane, Tyumen, double security cordon,

1:00:45

surveillance cameras, not a single zombie will get through, not a single one will

1:00:48

jump out—but if you want to come there

1:00:50

for 1,500 rubles (about $16),

1:00:52

a single room at the Atlantik Hotel or at the

1:00:55

sanatorium

1:00:56

Gradostroitel will be booked for you. We are a

1:00:58

rehabilitation center—come on over.”

1:01:00

That is all of Russia, and the entire Putin-era

1:01:03

system of governance, right there in this

1:01:05

fully expressed: super-mega

1:01:09

idiocy costing enormous amounts of money

1:01:12

security, of course, made up of idle National Guard

1:01:15

troops—please, come to our

1:01:17

sanatorium, and then go back home

1:01:19

—come with your children to our sanatorium.

1:01:22

you'll have a wonderful rest at our rehabilitation center

1:01:24

center together with these—he said two things before that

1:01:27

which simply makes the situation and

1:01:29

dietary—you will be able to without any problem

1:01:31

talk to our people who

1:01:33

were evacuated, and Russia remains one of

1:01:37

the few countries, and in my opinion almost

1:01:38

the only country in Europe in which

1:01:41

that continues, without any real problems,

1:01:44

air traffic with China. It is, sort of,

1:01:46

restricted—some flights have been canceled there, but

1:01:49

there are still nearly 10 flights a day

1:01:50

British Airways is arriving

1:01:52

and then on the second day they stopped flights

1:01:55

Lufthansa stopped flights

1:01:57

Air France stopped flying, and only

1:02:00

Russia's Aeroflot keeps banging out flights from

1:02:03

China. But then those who

1:02:05

fly here are not even taken

1:02:08

first to Tyumen, to a sanatorium, and kept

1:02:10

there for three weeks, and only then sent on

1:02:12

Right now, the easiest way for a Chinese traveler

1:02:15

to get to Europe is through Moscow, and they

1:02:18

are all flying through Moscow, and the probability

1:02:21

and—there's nothing terrible about it, no need to

1:02:24

burn these Chinese people with a flamethrower as soon as

1:02:26

they come down the stairs from the plane, but the probability

1:02:28

that, of course, some sick people

1:02:32

infected with coronavirus have flown in

1:02:37

are flying in, or are right now wandering somewhere

1:02:39

through the halls of Sheremetyevo Airport, is of course

1:02:42

an order of magnitude higher than the probability that

1:02:45

someone among these

1:02:46

private individuals in that sanatorium box

1:02:48

at Gradostroitel near Tyumen is sick. I mean,

1:02:51

it's just—well, first of all, security theater

1:02:54

as is well known, this kind of thing

1:02:56

is something the Russian authorities are very close to

1:02:58

when there are lots of measures

1:02:59

for security and they make absolutely no

1:03:01

sense—this is a typical example of

1:03:04

security theater, but also the embodiment of extreme

1:03:06

idiocy. Flights continue, while to the boarding house

1:03:10

Gradostroitel we put a lot of

1:03:13

our citizens—140 people

1:03:14

we will, deliberately and ritualistically,

1:03:17

treat them like cattle: first

1:03:20

we haul them in a cattle truck, then

1:03:22

lock them up somewhere, then announce that we are

1:03:24

guarding them because they are zombies, and

1:03:27

supposedly—well, Chinese people, Chinese people are flying

1:03:29

they keep flying, and of course we are not going to

1:03:33

treat them that way because they

1:03:34

pay money. So of course, for what is happening,

1:03:39

for this, for what is going on, for this

1:03:41

idiocy

1:03:42

half of all those people should be fired

1:03:44

those people—the person who

1:03:47

came up with this whole PR campaign simply

1:03:48

really ought to be jailed. But they are feeding

1:03:51

people this stuff. There was a question right at the beginning

1:03:53

of the program about why Channel One (Russia's main state TV channel)

1:03:55

is telling stories that Americans

1:03:57

invented the coronavirus and that inside it there is

1:03:59

AIDS, and so on. Well, because

1:04:01

they don't want people discussing these real

1:04:03

things, so that they don't discuss—do you know what I

1:04:07

saw? Something absolutely incredible. They found

1:04:09

in what region was it—Zabaykalsky Krai (a region in eastern Russia)

1:04:10

they have a health minister there

1:04:12

named Valery Kozhevnikov. That is,

1:04:15

the health minister of a region that

1:04:19

is in the east, and where, accordingly, we

1:04:22

believe there is an elevated

1:04:26

elevated probability that Chinese people

1:04:28

who are sick came to Baikal and are traveling, and every

1:04:32

time they are turned into zombies. One would assume that

1:04:35

the health minister would have at least

1:04:36

in his hospitals at minimum

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the latest equipment, at least for

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the minister. And then we watch the video

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give us the photo—no, we even have video of it

1:04:45

34 seconds

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the guy literally came to visit—on board there

1:04:49

were people sick with coronavirus, and he

1:04:51

was wearing ski goggles. Literally, the guy—the minister

1:04:54

of health—there was nothing there, well

1:04:57

nothing more appropriate, more

1:05:00

medical, so he just put on

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ski goggles. Let's watch

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a few seconds

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everything is fine at work, no issues, stay calm

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stay composed

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passage

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Are you laughing? And they really showed this

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on television in order to calm

1:05:45

the public, like, everything is under control. And

1:05:47

the public sees that he is wearing

1:05:49

some kind of cutting-edge medical

1:05:51

equipment, maybe some kind of device

1:05:53

that scans a person

1:05:54

some sort of X-ray—no, it's a ski

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goggle that the minister put on because

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in all of Zabaykalsky Krai there is no more

1:06:03

appropriate medical equipment

1:06:05

but in order to keep the public from

1:06:07

freaking out at the very idea that in

1:06:11

an entire federal subject (region), the minister, in order

1:06:13

to stage some kind of

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pathetic, incomprehensible PR stunt, while our

1:06:17

population cannot find something

1:06:20

resembling what a doctor ought to wear, and

1:06:23

instead he wears ski goggles—well, that is exactly

1:06:25

why they invent all sorts of nonsense on

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Channel One. Of course it's much better

1:06:29

to speculate whether or not the Americans

1:06:32

invented this coronavirus than to think

1:06:34

about where all the money is that

1:06:36

over all these years was invested in

1:06:39

Russian healthcare. I mean

1:06:40

all of this really is, of course,

1:06:43

quite something. And in Tatarstan, by the way,

1:06:47

they've already arranged it with me—there was

1:06:50

a very, very funny story there, and

1:06:52

its development

1:06:53

happened literally right before

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On our program, our штаб (Navalny campaign office) reported

1:06:58

that today it released an investigation into this

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brazen woman who works as

1:07:04

the Minister of Culture

1:07:07

of Tatarstan (a republic within Russia) — this lady, the culture minister.

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So naturally, she treats

1:07:12

cultural sites as if they were her own property.

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There is, in Kazan,

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a contemporary art gallery that

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is state-owned, a government-run

1:07:23

gallery. People called there

1:07:25

and asked whether it could be rented out

1:07:27

for private events, and no — it cannot be rented

1:07:29

for private purposes.

1:07:30

It is a state gallery.

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But then suddenly it was closed

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for one year — sorry, for one day — and

1:07:37

there was a notice saying it would be

1:07:39

closed to visitors for technical

1:07:41

reasons. It turned out that what was happening there was

1:07:43

of course, the wedding of the minister’s daughter.

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The culture minister’s daughter — well, it has to be something more stylish than

1:07:49

a restaurant, right? You have to impress the guests.

1:07:52

So no problem — just go ahead and

1:07:54

say, “Come on, it’s just a museum.”

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“Please close it for one day, we’ll hold

1:07:58

the wedding there.” Let’s watch 16 seconds of what

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this wonderful wedding looked like.

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Well, it is cool, isn’t it? Really

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beautiful — a wedding people will remember.

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Let other ordinary people

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do theirs at the registry office (ZAGS, the state civil registry office) or in a restaurant somewhere,

1:08:29

or rent some banquet hall, but we

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will do it right in the gallery, with paintings hanging there — really

1:08:34

everything looks great, and she walks in and it all

1:08:37

looks so lovely, and the minister stands there beaming.

1:08:40

And outside there is a sign: closed for

1:08:43

technical reasons. Want to rent

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this hall? No chance for you. Let’s hear a call with

1:08:48

the question of whether other people — you or

1:08:51

me — can celebrate, hold a wedding, celebrate

1:08:53

a wedding anniversary. Let’s listen.

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Hello, I

1:08:59

would like to ask whether your museum

1:09:02

offers any kind of rental

1:09:05

of the gallery for an event.

1:09:11

Unfortunately, no, it does not, you understand.

1:09:16

Unfortunately, no. But that makes sense — this is

1:09:18

a state-owned gallery; how could it

1:09:20

be rented out for weddings or for

1:09:22

something else? You know, someone toasting the newlyweds

1:09:24

and splashing red wine onto

1:09:26

a painting — whether it is worth a lot or a little,

1:09:29

it does not matter. It is a state

1:09:31

gallery. Obviously there are certain

1:09:33

restrictions. But what is funny is how events developed

1:09:36

and the crafty behavior of Tatarstan’s officials,

1:09:39

who are, well, very

1:09:41

particular kinds of crooks, who think that

1:09:43

if they twist things cleverly enough,

1:09:46

they can get away with it. And now Irada Ayupova

1:09:50

is at the center of a huge scandal.

1:09:52

She is now looking for some way

1:09:55

to make everyone leave her alone, specifically to make

1:09:57

our штаб (Navalny campaign office) back off, because they think like this:

1:10:01

the Navalny штаб (campaign office)

1:10:02

is blowing up the scandal. They, of course, in

1:10:05

Tatarstan control absolutely all

1:10:07

media, and they need our штаб (campaign office) to stop

1:10:09

writing about it. So when we once again

1:10:11

called them, they said in complete seriousness:

1:10:13

“Do you know that, like, the minister

1:10:16

and Navalny have already settled everything just fine?”

1:10:18

Let’s listen to the audio from the reception office.

1:10:22

Good afternoon, this is the website of the штаб (campaign office)

1:10:24

calling — I spoke with you

1:10:26

some time ago.

1:10:27

Yes, regarding Irada Ayupova.

1:10:32

From the reception office: “And the Navalny штаб (campaign office)

1:10:41

didn’t tell you, Vladislav, that the minister has already

1:10:45

spoken directly herself?” “Directly with whom?”

1:10:52

“With him.” “With whom — with Navalny?”

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“So the minister personally spoke with

1:11:02

Alexei himself?” “All right, so she did.”

1:11:09

Thank you very much. Goodbye.”

1:11:14

Our colleague was genuinely taken aback. I mean, they

1:11:17

apparently think this kind of obvious

1:11:20

scam will work — they are simply trying

1:11:22

to say: the bosses have already

1:11:24

talked among themselves and sorted everything out, so

1:11:27

you can stop sending out

1:11:29

press releases. Your Navalny has already said

1:11:31

it is all fine, like maybe I too can have some kind of

1:11:33

silver or golden wedding anniversary in the contemporary art gallery,

1:11:35

and they will let me in there.

1:11:37

So, to clear everything up, I

1:11:40

officially state that I have not spoken with

1:11:41

Irada Ayupova, and I believe that

1:11:44

she should of course be removed from office

1:11:45

for her rudeness, for her lies, and for

1:11:48

abusing her official position.

1:11:50

I mean, really — you are a minister. What, there was no

1:11:52

way to rent some banquet

1:11:54

hall or restaurant for your daughter? The money — any

1:11:57

minister in Tatarstan has plenty of it, I am sure.

1:11:59

There is so much money there,

1:12:02

an ocean of money, and against the backdrop of

1:12:06

all that, to go even further and simply

1:12:09

close a gallery for your daughter’s wedding —

1:12:10

of course an official cannot

1:12:12

do that. In principle, for something

1:12:16

similar, they recently removed

1:12:19

and forced the governor of Chuvashia (a republic within Russia) to resign.

1:12:22

But here, of course, the people are much more

1:12:24

resourceful — in Tatarstan, the

1:12:27

mafia-like system is so entrenched that even a minister

1:12:29

will not be given up so easily. It will be very

1:12:31

interesting to see whether

1:12:33

United Russia (the ruling political party) will be just as outraged, and whether

1:12:35

everyone else will be outraged too. I

1:12:37

simply urge all residents of Tatarstan

1:12:40

to pay attention to this and simply

1:12:42

tell their friends, neighbors,

1:12:44

and acquaintances about how their

1:12:47

minister behaves. Forty-seven thousand people are watching us

1:12:49

live right now. I remind you that on our

1:12:51

There’s a little link to a survey in the description, and I’d really

1:12:55

like to know your view, your

1:13:00

attitude, your opinion about

1:13:01

the political process that is currently

1:13:03

going on—this whole constitution, these amendments.

1:13:04

Do you understand what’s happening, what it is?

1:13:07

Or do you not understand it? Because in order

1:13:09

to work out

1:13:10

some kind of strategy for action and call on you

1:13:12

to do something more specific, I

1:13:15

would like to better understand what you

1:13:17

think about it. So please go there—there’s

1:13:21

no catch, you don’t have to pay for anything,

1:13:23

you just need to confirm your email so that it

1:13:25

isn’t spam, click the link, and it will take two minutes

1:13:27

to complete the survey. Wrapping up the topic,

1:13:31

I’ll finish the program with this whole

1:13:34

story about the constitution. Last time I said in

1:13:36

my previous program

1:13:39

that soon we would see funny things—we

1:13:42

would see Instagram influencers and

1:13:46

all sorts of very ridiculous people

1:13:50

who are generally far removed from politics

1:13:52

start promoting Putin’s

1:13:55

constitutional amendments, because ads had been published everywhere

1:13:58

saying that

1:14:00

PR people were simply offering money

1:14:04

to tell people something about

1:14:07

the constitution, about how important these amendments are.

1:14:09

And, well, I’m fine with Instagram

1:14:13

influencers, but I just expected—I didn’t

1:14:15

expect something quite this absurd. I

1:14:17

thought there would be some—they were sending this offer to

1:14:19

people like, say,

1:14:22

Wylsacom (a popular Russian tech blogger), tech bloggers in general,

1:14:25

reviewers of various gadgets—well, that is,

1:14:27

to some seemingly normal guys

1:14:30

who could also say something about politics

1:14:31

if they sold out for money. Wylsacom, in particular,

1:14:34

didn’t sell out—he’s

1:14:36

a normal, smart person.

1:14:37

I thought there would be people like that—not stupid,

1:14:40

but willing to sell out—and they would agree to

1:14:42

say something. I had prepared myself, and prepared

1:14:46

you as well, that we would expose people like that

1:14:49

and humiliate them. But there’s no need even to humiliate

1:14:53

anyone, because what is happening in

1:14:55

practice is such a ridiculously hellish

1:15:00

show factory. Apparently they don’t have enough

1:15:03

people who are more or less

1:15:07

popular and can string two

1:15:09

words together, so they’ve already moved on to this kind of

1:15:11

Instagram blogger. And we have nothing against them either—these

1:15:13

you know,

1:15:15

very similar girls. They have

1:15:19

the same little noses and sharp cheekbones, they have

1:15:21

the same plump lips after

1:15:23

cosmetic procedures, these kinds of cheekbones,

1:15:25

all the same—they all look very, very similar.

1:15:29

They all have around two million

1:15:31

Instagram followers, mostly

1:15:33

bought, but somehow I thought it would

1:15:35

be absolutely hilarious if they

1:15:38

started buying them. But I figured they probably wouldn’t

1:15:41

buy them, because, well, they wouldn’t

1:15:42

give us that much pleasure.

1:15:44

But they really did bring in these

1:15:46

young women. I have nothing against their little noses

1:15:49

and those inflated lips—it’s all

1:15:51

fine. Every person has the right

1:15:55

to do whatever they want with their appearance. But

1:15:57

when they’re not just taking money

1:16:00

to advertise manicures, when they

1:16:01

start advertising Putin, it’s simply

1:16:05

hilarious. I’ll tell you this girl’s name now.

1:16:07

I just—I saw it, excuse me please—

1:16:13

it’s Liza Shatilova.

1:16:18

And I clicked through—well, she’s a completely

1:16:22

typical Instagram influencer, and her

1:16:25

announcement about how she was going to make a video

1:16:28

about how wonderful Putin is, asking the people something—

1:16:31

he’s just marvelous. Let’s

1:16:33

take a look: “Tomorrow I’ll be filming a new

1:16:36

blog where one of the topics will be the laws

1:16:39

of the Russian Federation—yes, it would be nice to know them better.

1:16:42

I think many of you understand what I mean.

1:16:44

By the way, I recently discussed it with my dad—he’s

1:16:48

into politics and understands all of this.

1:16:50

Right now a very important issue is the amendments

1:16:52

to the Constitution proposed by the president. He wants to make

1:16:54

it more people-oriented, so that people more often

1:16:56

take part in deciding many issues—healthcare,

1:16:58

education, and so on. But that does not mean

1:17:01

that the president will be elected again

1:17:03

for another term—that will be decided separately. Do you

1:17:06

think people should participate in such

1:17:09

issues, or should everything still

1:17:11

be decided at the state level, or

1:17:13

should we be making decisions? Well, isn’t that

1:17:17

just delightful? People should decide whether they can

1:17:20

participate in such issues, or whether everything

1:17:22

should be decided at the state

1:17:22

level.”

1:17:24

Magnificent. I urged—and I urge—you

1:17:27

all simply to record these, save them,

1:17:30

collect videos like this, send

1:17:33

them to me, show them to everyone, because

1:17:35

this is magnificent.

1:17:37

It is the best possible advertisement for just how

1:17:41

unconstitutional, stupid, and corruptly

1:17:45

our authorities act—you simply couldn’t invent

1:17:47

anything better. They are literally pulling money out of

1:17:50

the budget to pay people like this,

1:17:52

these wonderful, marvelous Liza Shatilovas,

1:17:55

so that they can spread this cute little nonsense

1:17:59

about how, come on, let’s decide these

1:18:02

little issues in a state-approved way. These are

1:18:05

Putin’s best friends.

1:18:07

Putin and his constitutional amendments

1:18:10

will be lobbied through precisely by people like

1:18:13

Liza Shatilova, and someday, in

1:18:16

a few years, you know—there was the

1:18:17

Brezhnev Constitution (the Soviet constitution associated with Leonid Brezhnev); this will be the blogger

1:18:20

constitution. What Putin adopts will

1:18:23

not be the Putin Constitution, but

1:18:25

the Constitution of Liza Shatilova and her

1:18:28

Instagram influencer friends. Thank you very much

1:18:30

to everyone who watched our program.

1:18:31

Please be sure to complete the survey below.

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We’ll see you at the link next

1:18:35

Thursday. Bye.

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