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Good evening, everyone. In Moscow, it is exactly

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eight o’clock in the evening, which means that

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the program *Russia of the Future* is live on air, and

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I’m your host, Alexei Navalny, or

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the man who intimidates Moscow

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judges, as the Kremlin-controlled

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media called me this week. Please write to me

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on Twitter with the hashtag #RussiaOfTheFuture

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with your questions, wishes, complaints, reproaches,

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and praise. I’ll put them on the screen and

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comment on them and answer your questions.

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I want to begin with one piece of news—actually, two

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stories that came out right before

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the program. First,

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there was a statement from Roscosmos (Russia’s state space corporation). They have

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some ridiculous little guy there

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who is in charge of internal audit.

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As for Roscosmos, that answers the question of why

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absolutely everything has been stolen there. This

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little guy—this is the little guy you’re seeing

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on screen now. Not Rogozin—the little guy. He

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spoke earlier—put Rogozin back on the right

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screen. He was speaking on Komsomolskaya Pravda radio

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.

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And on Komsomolskaya Pravda radio, apparently

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he was asked: why is Rogozin’s

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salary so high—much higher

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than the head of NASA’s? And that figure came from

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our investigation, which came out

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last week and has already been watched by nearly 2

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million people. To that, this gentleman

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gave a truly astonishing answer: you see,

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it’s all about military and missile-related

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work.

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He said salaries at NASA are much lower because

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NASA only deals with civilian matters, whereas at

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Roscosmos, you see, there’s the robot Fyodor

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and Rogozin in camouflage uniform.

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He appears like that so often precisely because he has

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military

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missile-related responsibilities, and supposedly people like that in

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America earn ten times more.

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Which is, of course, an obvious lie. Rogozin’s salary,

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let me remind you, is almost 30 million

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rubles a year—about $330,000 USD. It is impossible to find a single

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public official, not only in

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the United States but in any country, whose

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salary would be

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30—actually, not 30, but 300

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million rubles. So, I wanted

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to say—even to say that some [__]

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from Roscosmos is lying to us. In fact,

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this gentleman from Roscosmos is a former—I

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looked it up out of curiosity, I checked

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his biography—and naturally he comes from

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the Prosecutor General’s Office. Where else could he be from?

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Such a liar, and he apparently takes everyone else for

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idiots, including, apparently, the listeners of

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Komsomolskaya Pravda radio.

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He considers them complete

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fools, because these people come out

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and just blatantly lie—absolutely shamelessly,

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without even worrying that tomorrow they’ll simply be

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caught and exposed. When you say, you know,

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the salary is higher because we have military

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missile-related work and launch vehicles

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and secrecy,

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and all sorts of classified things—so yes, of course,

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a $500,000 salary is perfectly normal.

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And in America they earn ten times more.

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Brazen little liars.

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But we’ll expose them in more detail—we’ll dig into

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this topic and find out, especially for

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the gentleman from Roscosmos, who exactly in America

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and what salaries are paid in America to those

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people who deal with military missile-related

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work—missile work, whatever you want to call it.

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They’ll dress anything up as some kind of

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mystery, with portentous

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words about secrecy

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and national defense. But the truth

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is that none of that exists.

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There’s absolutely nothing there at Roscosmos.

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There’s nothing anywhere—just some remnants

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of the Soviet military, total collapse, and

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theft. But they create a lot of smoke and mirrors.

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A lot.

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Now, the second piece of news literally

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came up 30 seconds before we went on air. I hope

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we managed to prepare the video. Actually,

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I was going to invite you to a roundtable

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that will take place tomorrow at the

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Moscow City Duma. I was planning to go there, along with

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Plakhina, Volkov, Sobol, Burov, and Zhdanov.

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Volkov, our director, was also supposed to attend.

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The reason is this roundtable, which

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was organized in the very building of the

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Moscow City Duma.

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It was organized by deputy Elena Shuvalova from the

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Communist Party—well done, thank you very much.

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An excellent deputy. The topic is specifically

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the political repression of the opposition. She

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even recorded a short video address.

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Let’s watch it. If it’s ready, please show

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us Shuvalova’s appeal, in which she

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calls on everyone to come to the roundtable.

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Dear Muscovites, I am a deputy of the Moscow

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City Duma, Elena

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Anatolyevna Shuvalova.

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I would like to inform you that on November 29 at ten

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o’clock in the morning, on my initiative, the Moscow

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City Duma will host a roundtable.

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We,

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representatives of the opposition, those people who

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were subjected to detention and repression,

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invite representatives of the authorities,

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representatives of law enforcement

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agencies, to enter into dialogue with society,

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to enter into dialogue with Muscovites,

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to enter into dialogue with those who hold a different

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position from the one currently being pursued

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by the Moscow government. And we ask you

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to respond to this invitation and come to

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this roundtable.

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And I am very concerned about the situation

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of misunderstanding that is taking shape on the

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part of those in power in relation to

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to Muscovites unhappy with what is happening, and

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so I would like them to respond

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to our invitation and take part in

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the roundtable. Right now, dialogue between

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the authorities and the opposition is absolutely necessary.

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What a nice, polite appeal.

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A dialogue between the authorities and the opposition — please come.

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Were representatives of the authorities really supposed to be there?

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It was announced that the following were supposed to come there:

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representatives of the Moscow City Duma,

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representatives of this department

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of regional security, where, as it happens,

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sit the very same crooks and thieves who

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in Moscow are supposedly responsible for

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fighting corruption, while at the same time they

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are themselves among the biggest

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corrupt officials — including the notorious Gorbенко — and

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they are also the ones who issue permits for rallies

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or ban rallies. So we

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were all planning to come, and it had all been

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agreed several weeks in advance because

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there was some large ceremonial

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hall there that they do not just hand out lightly. So,

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apparently, after — I do not know

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what happened — literally 30 seconds before

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the start of this program, look:

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this note appeared on the Moscow City Duma website.

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A little document — here it is.

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The head of the Communist Party faction (KPRF)

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withdrew the application to hold the roundtable

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that had been planned. So

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now we are going to find out what

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happened there, but

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it seems fairly obvious to me that

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the leadership of the Moscow City Duma and Moscow City Hall

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probably — especially Alexei

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Shaposhnikov

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— the one we investigated — they

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simply got scared that we would come there.

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As we know, not long ago they even

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put our people on a blacklist

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— including Lyubov Sobol — and here, apparently,

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things became truly frightening for Alexei

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Shaposhnikov, as if we were somehow going to

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storm the place or something, I do not know. We would go there and

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say some special words. Yes, we

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would of course come and say those

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special words, but it is just funny how

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cowardly all these United Russia people are. I

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do not know what they did to the Communists,

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who are also involved now, but at least

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the faction leader — we will see what he

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says, yes — but at least in this

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situation he does not look very good either.

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It is clear that he was, by the way, under some kind of

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apparently extraordinary pressure, but still,

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backing out does not look good. On the other

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hand, it is also great, you know — we will still say

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everything we wanted to say, one way

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or another.

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It is just amazing that United Russia is so

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cowardly. It is disgusting that they are even

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afraid of such a basically harmless

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event as a roundtable. They could have just come

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to this roundtable and said everything

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they keep repeating. Sobyanin today again

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spouted some nonsense about how

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you should look at what is happening in Hong Kong,

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in Barcelona — do you really want that

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here? Constantly: Hong Kong, Barcelona, Paris,

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I think Paris too — do you really want Moscow

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to be like Paris or Barcelona? No,

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we do not. We want something more like Moscow.

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That is exactly the point: unlike in Barcelona, they

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have nothing they can

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come and say to people

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who will answer them directly. The whole mode in

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which they are prepared to operate

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is limited to putting out

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statements that no one can

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respond to, because, well, because it is

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a one-way communication, like what I have

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with you right now — though, by the way, I am reading

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your questions.

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We will see how the situation develops.

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We will sort everything out now. For the moment, apparently, I

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need to apologize to the people

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who have already signed up for this roundtable

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tomorrow,

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because, well, most likely you

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will come, and you — and we — simply will not

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be let in, because they will say it has all been canceled.

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It is a great pity. The thing with which

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I wanted to begin the main part of this

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program is very sad. And with 20

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thousand people watching us live right now, to all

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20,000 of you, and everyone who will watch

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later, I want to say that the saddest

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thing announced this week,

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really showing the scale of the catastrophe,

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was a sociological survey by the Levada Center (an independent Russian polling organization)

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that asked young people

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about

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how ready they are, in general, how much

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they want to move abroad. In Russia, unfortunately, such figures have always

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been

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fairly high, because people do not

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feel they have prospects. But this time everyone

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saw a record number: it turned out that

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53 percent of young people aged 18 to 24

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are seriously thinking about moving

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abroad permanently.

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They would like to emigrate. Of course,

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not all of them will actually do it, but

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53 percent is the highest figure in

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recent years. There was also a high figure

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in 2011, as you can see, apparently against the backdrop of

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the protests and Putin’s return, but

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now it has simply risen very

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sharply. This is genuinely a majority,

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a large share of the young people you

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see on the street — or that you yourselves

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are part of — want to leave the country.

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This is not just a catastrophe — it is, of course,

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a catastrophe. In Russia, a generation is growing up

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of people to whom the country seems like an unpleasant

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place, a burdensome

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and uncomfortable place to live.

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It's awful, monstrous—of course, many of them will leave.

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A much smaller number of people have

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most simply have no opportunity

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to go anywhere—you understand, even there

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10 percent, and even 5 percent

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leaving would be a catastrophe from every angle.

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A colossal loss of money,

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a colossal loss of future births, or rather

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future citizens, because they left at

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18, and then had their children somewhere

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abroad already. And as the government tells us,

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"But don't

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worry, it's being offset

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by migration." Well, of course, if your point of view is

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that for now we should just count heads

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whether they're people, sheep, or whoever—but

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then yes, of course, you can say it's all replaced by

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immigration, or that we can simply bring people in from

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Africa, and then on paper

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it will look the same: there were 100 people, and there are still

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100 people. But still,

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we want our country to develop in a more

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natural way, so to speak.

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We do have some

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inflow of migrants, an immigration inflow,

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but that does not, at the very least, not

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compensate for the fact that people are leaving here.

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People are fleeing from—if things keep going

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the way they are going now, to the point that

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the children of these migrants who are born here,

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we can already see, also fall into this

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18-to-24-year-old youth category

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who also want to leave. That is, of course,

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just an absolutely monstrous figure, and

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it's no surprise that the Kremlin immediately

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reacted—Putin immediately declared

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that the outflow of young people must be fought.

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Well, because people are basically saying, "Dude, you run

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the country in such a way that most

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young people just want to leave."

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Of course, they'll definitely now—I have no doubt—

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adopt yet another

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federal targeted program for

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retaining young people. But it's obvious why

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people are leaving: people do not want to be in some kind of

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Putinist squads; people do not want

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to live in a state that resembles

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a barracks.

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And everything Putin does really is this kind of

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thing straight out of army jokes:

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pointless, senseless,

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sometimes very funny, but more often

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an irritating, stupid barracks. Just look—

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when I was preparing for the program,

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I thought I'd talk about this and then

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see what Putin and all the others

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are offering this young generation—what solutions

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could they possibly have? It's always

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some kind of squads: Yunarmiya (the pro-Kremlin youth military movement), squads, we

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are creating—Ros... Roscosmos, sorry,

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Rostec

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are financing some kind of

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squads all over the country.

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Even in the famous

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Let me show this clip again,

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from Putin's famous speech where, on the subject of

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problems in healthcare, he proposes

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solving healthcare problems through squads

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of young people, student squads. It's 17 seconds—

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let me remind you of this famous, legendary

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remark. The idea was:

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medical students could organize

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something like student clinical

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brigades—there are construction brigades,

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there are specialized brigades, so it would be possible

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for them too to travel around the country and provide help

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to people, and support them at the level

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that, of course, they are capable of doing.

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Kostin.

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While you were watching Putin, things here have been developing in a rather

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dramatic way, because

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Ruslan Shaveddinov, who is apparently

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persona non grata at the Moscow City

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Duma, got in touch with Lyubov Shuvalova, who

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said, "I don't know anything at all. I

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submitted the application, and tomorrow I will be holding

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this event at the Moscow City

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Duma. We don't know what they're doing there—there is absolutely

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no need to cancel anything.

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Everyone, come to the round table—it is

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official." In short, I think that maybe

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by the end of the program something will become clearer,

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but in any case, all of this is very

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exciting. So anyway, these guys—

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their mindset is wired this way, Nikita:

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squads, squads, squads, squads—and they

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really think that young people,

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that the youth, damn it, dream of ending up in

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squads. And any people, including

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young people who would like to study,

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who would like to study at

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university, to do science—Shoigu, remember, proposed the famous

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"scientific companies" too,

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which are also the quintessence of idiocy.

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To say: let's draft everyone into the army,

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but fine, if you're one of those

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smart-ass types, showing off, and you don't want

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to march in formation there or you don't want to get

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punched in the face at night in the barracks, we'll make for

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you, dude,

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a scientific company, and then at night you'll be beaten up

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not by just some guy

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who came from a collective farm in

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Tambov Region, but by the same kind of nerd

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with an education who will be

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smashing your face in. At 27 seconds—27 seconds in—Shoigu

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talks about scientific companies: "We could

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think and reflect together with you on

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creating scientific... and so on. We could

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take talented young people, without removing them from these

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walls—from, so to speak, our sphere—

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the Ministry of Defense

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quite calmly

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bring them up to this level. They could

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continue carrying out, together with

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their instructors, of course, those assignments

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and that work which is needed today.

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You see? That's the mindset, guys.

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We need to think about creating scientific units.

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Companies.

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Think about abolishing conscription, damn it, when you have

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people fleeing the country, including 18-year-olds,

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because they want to go somewhere

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to escape and wait it out somewhere until they turn 27

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because they don’t want to spend a year or

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a year and a half serving in an army that seems to them

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completely pointless. So either

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make military service meaningful,

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so that no one has to build a summer house

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for some general or get punched in the face for no reason,

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just because some

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old-timer who came from, I don’t know,

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Dagestan or wherever suddenly decided

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to lie on a bed and have you rock it

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as if you were imitating a commuter train

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taking him home, or something like that.

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Let them deal with that, but they don’t want to do it.

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They want scientific units,

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medical units, construction brigades, and

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all the other stupid garbage that

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they keep forcing on them—and then everyone acts surprised: how is it that

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young people are so bad?

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“It’s the smartphones.” I think now a bunch of people say

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smartphones and video games have corrupted everyone, and

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that in their own youth they were, of course, completely different.

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Of course they would have gladly joined the Young Pioneers

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and the Komsomol (Soviet youth organizations), and gone into the army—unlike these idiots,

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who don’t want anything. People really do think like that.

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But this is no longer just

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that, you know, old-man grumbling.

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That kind of old-man grumbling exists everywhere, in

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every country. But here these are people vested with

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state authority, and they think this way,

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and they herd everyone, they try to

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force everyone into their own meaningless,

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stupid barracks—and people want to run away.

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They avoid it, and this is a path to national

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catastrophe. We have examples of countries on

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planet Earth, like Ireland, from which

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a great many people emigrated. And yes,

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the country still exists

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and exists quite well, like that same

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Ireland—but they ended up

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permanently and historically simply

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undermined.

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Their strength—their intellectual strength,

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whatever kind of strength you like—simply the number of people in

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those countries, because an enormous

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number of people just got up and left.

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Hundreds of thousands of people are leaving Russia.

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Just take each year: according to various

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sources, anywhere from 20,000 to 200,000 people

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leave. Just take their salaries

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and multiply them, and think about the fact that this

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money—they will spend it,

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earn it and spend it abroad, that’s all.

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So what kind of economic growth can there

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possibly be here? And when a young

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person thinks about the country’s prospects,

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for them now, as I said on the

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previous program, it’s actually very easy

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just to go online and understand whether

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there is any real future behind these promises or

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not.

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Will you be able to live in some great,

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truly developed country, or not?

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Unfortunately, the answer to that question already

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exists now, because, you know,

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for example, in 2019, literally in the

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next month, apparently, we were supposed to fly to

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Mars and make some amazing

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space discoveries, because that’s what

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we were very recently promised by

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Vladimir Putin. It’s just that, as usual, they

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make promises and lie, but they probably don’t think very well about the fact that

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people are watching this

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and they understand that not a damn thing—

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if this didn’t work out for you, yet

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you so actively promise and lie, then all

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your other promises will be the same kind of

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lies as Putin’s statements that

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in 2019 we would get a Mars

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and lunar program. Let’s watch one

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minute: “The youth of our great country

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have always stood out for having

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global dreams,”

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like conquering space, and

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“we will bring that back and multiply it,” promises

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Vladimir. “We will now be

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carrying out unmanned and then

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manned launches for the exploration of

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deep space, and a lunar program,

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then the exploration of Mars. The first one,

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very soon, in 2019, we are planning

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to launch toward Mars in a new mission.

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“The continuation of lunar exploration—not like

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the Soviet Union—our specialists

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will try to make landings at the poles

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because there is reason to believe

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that there may be water there. So there is plenty

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to work on. From there, perhaps, research into

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other planets in deep

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space can begin. A new conquest of space should

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become part of a major technological

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revolution—and with it, new types of energy,”

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“smart homes and cities,”

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“support for talent and a new economy,” and

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“we need to move quickly.”

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How funny and at the same time sad

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it is to look at all this: new energy,

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new homes, yet another economic

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and scientific-technological revolution. At the beginning

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he says youth has always aspired to

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space, and now Vladimir Putin promises

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a new breakthrough. Rogozin’s salary is

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the only breakthrough that has happened in

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the field of space.

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There’s not a damn thing there. Everything Putin said—

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Mars, the Moon’s poles—zero, nothing.

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Absolutely nothing. They haven’t even finished the spaceport,

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and they won’t finish anything else either.

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So yes, people are fleeing—and that’s exactly why they’re fleeing:

21:45

because there is absolutely no

21:48

trust in this government, not even the slightest. This is no longer

21:51

even just a question of trust,

21:54

but of empirical experience. Because if they

21:57

Every time there’s a rally, and every time nothing comes of it.

21:59

They couldn’t do anything.

22:00

The answer to the question of whether they’ll be able to do anything in the

22:02

future is, frankly, of course not.

22:05

It has been proven that in the future they will be able to do

22:08

nothing, which is why people all across the country sit there

22:10

and think, damn it, to hell with it,

22:12

it would be better to somehow, by some clever means,

22:14

try to get out to Barcelona,

22:17

Hong Kong, or Paris, which they keep trying so hard to

22:19

scare us with.

22:21

Sergei Sobyanin (Mayor of Moscow), so why ask me?

22:23

Daniil Burov writes: hold a roundtable

22:25

online, in a Skype conference format.

22:27

Well, listen, an online roundtable

22:29

using this channel is something we can

22:31

do. But Chastov has come in again while we were

22:35

watching—great—Marsianin, and

22:37

Ruslan Shiredinov said that

22:38

Declan Shuvalov is confirming that the roundtable will take place.

22:41

I don’t know, I mean,

22:44

he’s confirming it, and if he’s confirming it, that means

22:46

there will be a roundtable in the Moscow City Duma on the topic of

22:47

the persecution of the opposition, so apparently

22:49

it will indeed take place tomorrow. Let them—some deputy there

22:52

did book the hall after all. We’ll see what comes

22:54

of all this. So, ask United Russia (the ruling political party),

22:58

I’ll definitely say something about

23:00

the sanctions. I definitely will. Alexei,

23:03

what are the plans for 2021? Isn’t it time to start

23:06

getting ready? We’re all waiting. We are preparing for

23:09

the fact that in 2021 we have

23:10

elections to the State Duma (the lower house of Russia’s parliament).

23:11

Well of course we’re preparing right now.

23:14

How many people are watching us—27,000 people live.

23:16

That is the preparation.

23:18

We’re discussing with you the fact that this

23:21

government is useless and senseless, and that we

23:23

must fight it, and specifically in

23:25

2021 our tactical

23:26

task—we’ll be doing a lot of things—

23:28

our tactical task, to put it in the right, censored

23:33

wording, is to hit

23:35

United Russia much harder than what

23:38

happened in the elections to the Moscow

23:39

City Duma—they’re just lying there squealing.

23:42

They opened it, changed it—the roundtable

23:44

should be held

23:45

all across the country. So: he fired some shots, apologized,

23:50

this is really becoming some kind of

23:52

astonishing practice in Russia, and we all

23:55

watch in amazement as, at the same time,

23:57

they open yet another—fabricate yet another—

24:00

criminal case as part of this

24:02

so-called Moscow Case (a series of criminal prosecutions after Moscow protests); today they even

24:04

arrested two or three more people. For what?

24:07

For nothing—for allegedly using some kind of violence

24:09

against the National Guard, while at the same time in

24:12

St. Petersburg

24:13

we see an astonishing story about which

24:16

the following was posted on Instagram

24:18

as a Story, and everyone is simply

24:21

admiring what kind of legality

24:24

and law and order are on display in the city on

24:26

the Neva (St. Petersburg).

24:27

Where, let me remind you, they did not authorize a single

24:30

rally, and repeatedly arrested our

24:32

coordinators.

24:32

They were fined there hundreds of thousands—up to

24:34

a million rubles.

24:35

Our coordinator was fined, but this thing

24:38

that is happening

24:39

in St. Petersburg apparently does not, does not, does not

24:41

look like any kind of problem for the local or

24:44

federal police.

25:02

So, a car is driving along, with “Nokhchi” written on it

25:05

and “Borz”—something like “Chechen wolves,” all that stuff.

25:08

A guy leans out the window and just

25:10

starts firing an automatic weapon—an automatic weapon.

25:13

Firing an automatic weapon—automatic weapons are prohibited.

25:16

Shooting in the city is prohibited, I mean,

25:19

thankfully he wasn’t, of course, shooting

25:22

at people, but still, there are just some

25:25

guys blasting away with an automatic weapon out the window. What

25:27

does the St. Petersburg police do? Well,

25:30

they posted it on Instagram as a Story.

25:32

They sit there thinking whether to like that Story

25:35

or not like it, and only after

25:37

a scandal naturally erupted on the internet

25:39

—a real scandal—

25:40

because people found it pretty unpleasant to watch.

25:42

What happened? The person apologized, but

25:44

apparently some representatives of Kadyrov (head of Chechnya)

25:46

found this 21-year-old young

25:49

man named Mansur Khasiev,

25:52

and he apologized on camera for 19 seconds:

25:55

“I, Mansur Musaevich, born in ’98,

26:00

apologize to those persons

26:05

whom I disturbed,”

26:07

“to whom I caused some kind of psychological harm.”

26:11

Well, sure, apologize to

26:16

those to whom you caused psychological trauma, but I mean,

26:18

it’s not as if all of us weren’t given

26:20

psychological trauma by someone firing into the air from an

26:22

—not from a military enlistment office, sorry—from an

26:24

automatic weapon.

26:26

I too would like them to apologize

26:28

to me. No need to apologize to me

26:29

personally—rather, the police

26:33

or rather all these people who are responsible

26:36

for public order and for combating

26:37

extremism—let them offer us

26:40

some kind of apology, or at least let us

26:42

hear some kind of reaction to

26:44

what is happening. I mean, okay, it’s clear:

26:47

Kadyrov saw the reaction on Instagram—he apparently

26:49

sits on Instagram all day—

26:51

he saw that people were discussing it.

26:53

They found this guy, apparently roughed him up a bit,

26:55

forced him to apologize, and in that Chechen-style

26:59

way, they handled it according to their own rules.

27:00

Fine—but this is still happening in

27:02

St. Petersburg, not in Chechnya, and we

27:05

proceed from the assumption that there is police there,

27:07

there are rules there, there is a Criminal Code,

27:09

there is

27:10

an Administrative Code, and the Administrative

27:12

Code prohibits shooting in the city even

27:15

if you have a permit for an assault rifle,

27:16

but this young man clearly cannot

27:18

have such a permit for an assault rifle, so

27:20

what the hell is going on?

27:22

why is it that people want at least

27:26

some sense that they are living in

27:29

a country where there is at least some

27:31

basic rule of law, and that law says

27:33

that if guys are firing an assault rifle in

27:36

the city of St. Petersburg,

27:37

then surely, at the very least, they will be found and have it taken away

27:39

from them, or at least it will be выяснится, well

27:42

but in fact, nothing happened—zero reaction whatsoever to

27:45

what is going on.

27:48

Thirty thousand people are watching us

27:50

live, and I have just been told again that

27:53

this roundtable at the Moscow City Duma (Moscow’s city parliament), which

27:55

is rapidly turning into

27:57

some kind of huge scandal in the Moscow City Duma,

27:59

is still going to take place. Who killed

28:02

Nastya Orlova? This is the saddest,

28:05

most distressing topic of today’s

28:08

broadcast.

28:09

It concerns a child who really did die,

28:12

named Nastya Orlova.

28:13

I consider Nastya Orlova to be a murdered child,

28:17

and this whole situation also

28:20

shows why people are leaving. By the way, let’s

28:23

look at the slide: when 53

28:27

percent of young people

28:28

say that they would like to leave

28:30

the country, and the number one reason

28:33

is the desire to provide their children

28:35

with a decent future abroad—

28:38

and let me remind you, these are young people aged

28:41

18 to 24.

28:43

Most of them do not even have children yet,

28:46

in most cases.

28:46

But if they do, those children are very young, and

28:50

they are already worried now, and

28:53

they have every reason to be worried

28:55

looking at what happened right in Moscow,

28:58

in Moscow.

28:59

In Moscow there is a transplant surgeon, Mikhail Kabak.

29:03

Kabak—that is his somewhat unusual

29:05

surname. He is a transplant surgeon; he performs

29:09

transplants for small children, including

29:11

children

29:12

under one year old. He got into some kind of conflict with

29:15

the Ministry of Health, and they simply fired him, and

29:18

everyone shouted, everyone was outraged, everyone

29:20

spoke out, because he performs these

29:21

operations, and children were already scheduled

29:24

for surgery with him. Naturally, the parents

29:27

started making a scandal out of it, because

29:29

when he was fired, all the children

29:32

who had been on his waiting list for

29:35

operations were discharged, and a scandal broke out. At first, everyone

29:37

was discussing it, but the Ministry of Health said no,

29:39

well, he was fired because—well, because

29:41

we are right. And not long ago, in this same

29:43

institution, by the way, they fired

29:45

an entire group of oncologists, but they were acting like

29:47

tough guys, like, we

29:49

will not give in to anyone. They fired him, but a week later

29:53

this very same Nastya Orlova,

29:56

the little girl who had been scheduled

29:59

with him and whom he was supposed to perform

30:00

a transplant on,

30:01

died because she was discharged, well,

30:04

they just washed their hands of it and told the parents to take

30:06

your child and figure out what

30:09

to do with her, where to go, what to do at night with her.

30:10

Parents cannot perform a transplant.

30:11

The person who could do it was fired; he may

30:14

want to do it, but he is not going to perform

30:16

a transplant in his own apartment. The girl

30:18

died, and these hypocritical bastards from

30:22

the Ministry of Health, after that, now

30:24

Skvortsova said that they were immediately

30:27

reinstating him. Then they

30:29

said that they were immediately

30:31

reinstating him and even promoting him

30:33

to a higher position. Just recently, damn it, a week ago,

30:36

they were saying he was, basically, the worst person on

30:37

earth, they were throwing him out, they were absolutely

30:40

right about everything. Then a child died, they got scared,

30:43

and started reinstating him. But that is not all.

30:45

We are helping the Doctors’ Alliance, and

30:48

the Doctors’ Alliance tells me that they

30:50

say the level of brazenness and hypocrisy of these

30:54

people is unbelievable: on television and everywhere else they say

30:57

that they have reinstated this man.

30:59

They can see the public outcry—for example,

31:00

my Instagram is simply flooded with

31:03

messages from

31:06

all kinds of mothers writing,

31:08

"Alexei, cover this situation," because

31:11

parents feel this very acutely. Any

31:13

person who has a small child

31:14

more or less goes out of their mind looking at

31:18

this situation. They tracked it and found that

31:21

hundreds of thousands of young mothers—and not only

31:23

young mothers—are outraged. They

31:25

reinstated him, but at the same time they

31:27

actually reinstated him at only 0.25 of a full-time position

31:29

and gave him this whole list

31:32

of documents that he is supposed

31:34

to fill out and submit in order to be

31:37

taken back into the very same job from which

31:39

he was just fired. So de facto they are

31:41

reinstating him in this tricky

31:43

way so as not to really reinstate him. For this

31:46

to happen—not even for justice to be done, but simply

31:48

for the guy to be allowed to keep his job—

31:50

for the guy to stay employed,

31:53

a transplant surgeon had to lose a

31:55

little patient, and now I am interested in

31:58

who is going to bear responsibility

32:01

for this death. Because this is effectively

32:03

murder. Or, well, let us

32:06

not call it murder—let us call it

32:08

abandonment in danger; there is such an

32:11

article in the Criminal Code. She

32:13

was on the waiting list for a transplant, she

32:14

was discharged home, and she died. They had no right

32:17

to do that. She died because of the fault

32:21

of specific Ministry of Health officials, and these

32:24

Health Ministry officials should not just

32:26

reinstate the doctor — they should

32:28

be removed from their posts; there should

32:30

be a criminal case opened. There must be

32:31

some consequences for this.

32:33

But no — they think, well, basically, let’s

32:35

just wait it out as usual, people will make noise

32:38

on the internet and then forget. We must not

32:41

forget this.

32:41

And that is exactly why our country

32:44

has no prospects right now under this regime.

32:47

No prospects at all. That is exactly why people

32:48

are fleeing. Because everyone sits there and

32:51

thinks: can we even have a child if

32:53

God forbid they get sick and we bring them

32:55

in for treatment — and then you’re standing there in this

32:57

line.

32:58

You have to travel to Moscow specially,

33:00

because you need Moscow — nowhere in the regions can this kind of

33:02

operation be done. You come to Moscow,

33:04

you send the child there, and you yourself somehow

33:07

have to rent an apartment, apparently, because you can’t even

33:09

just leave a seven-month-old

33:11

baby there and keep watch. And then

33:14

they simply discharge them, hand the child back to you,

33:16

and the child dies in your arms. Who

33:19

dreams of living in a country like that?

33:21

In a country like that, unfortunately, in our country right now

33:24

no one dreams of living anymore. More than half

33:26

want to leave for exactly this reason.

33:28

And these doctors now — by the way, from

33:31

this institute — are already holding a nationwide action on the 30th.

33:34

A nationwide protest. Let’s take a look.

33:36

Do you remember I showed you the first

33:39

video from these medical workers, these oncologists, who

33:42

who, by the way, were also involved in

33:43

pediatric organ transplants there? They

33:46

were fired, and we all thought that a

33:48

huge scandal was building, that this

33:50

would have some kind of happy ending, that they would be reinstated.

33:51

No such luck — not a single one was reinstated, and

33:54

now they are recording another appeal.

33:55

Let’s watch 45 seconds of it. But

33:58

right now we are once again forced to turn to

34:00

you for help. We are not giving up, and we understand

34:03

that our unique institution must

34:04

be revived and must continue its

34:06

work. Therefore, we call on everyone

34:09

to support us, and we are organizing a

34:10

sanctioned mass protest. We

34:13

are counting very much on your support.

34:15

After all, cancer is an extremely serious disease

34:17

that can affect anyone, and the fact that even

34:20

the most basic demands for fair

34:22

pay for medical workers were not met

34:24

shows that

34:25

the leadership does not value children’s health

34:27

or preserving this unique team as much as

34:29

it values its own ambitions and some

34:31

goals that are unclear to us. We call on everyone —

34:33

medical workers and patients,

34:35

all people who care — to unite. We

34:37

protest against the devaluation of

34:39

unique doctors and the ignoring of their

34:41

demands, the demands of parents, medical workers,

34:43

and all citizens of our country. You can

34:47

go to the Doctors’ Alliance website and to the Doctors’ Alliance YouTube

34:49

channel and look there for

34:51

the exact

34:51

information. Different doctors there have simply

34:54

started doing all this — oncologists,

34:55

and now others have joined them,

34:57

including transplant specialists and various

34:59

patients who are not receiving medication in

35:02

Perm, for example. This is not an isolated case.

35:04

There are oncologists in Sochi, palliative

35:07

care workers — they are doing this across the whole country. But I

35:08

just want to say that you really should

35:11

think about what is happening in the country. Guys,

35:12

people are recording videos on YouTube saying,

35:15

“We have no one else to turn to. We are once again

35:18

asking you for help.” They are making YouTube

35:20

videos simply so they can say to some

35:23

people on the internet: “Guys,

35:25

help us, doctors.” If doctors of this kind

35:28

need help, then what, in general,

35:30

is happening? Who in this country

35:32

has any protection at all, any protection whatsoever?

35:35

The only ones with protection are these strange people with

35:37

assault rifles who shoot from windows.

35:39

So if you are a doctor or a medical worker at all,

35:42

or a nurse, support the Doctors’ Alliance.

35:45

I think this is an absolutely right action. That is,

35:47

until doctors start

35:49

taking to the streets and

35:50

defending their rights there, including by

35:54

some of the most

35:56

aggressive methods, I would even say — but

35:59

what other methods can there be when

36:00

these children are dying?

36:01

What else is there left to do? Blocking a road already

36:04

doesn’t even look like an aggressive method against the

36:07

background of firing a doctor while their

36:09

patients are dying. So, for our part,

36:11

just as we have supported the Doctors’ Alliance,

36:13

we will continue to support it in any way we can —

36:15

with legal assistance,

36:17

support,

36:19

media support, and so on. Viktor Medved

36:20

asks: “Alexei, what’s happening with the lawsuits

36:22

against us?” In a remarkable way,

36:25

everyone is winning everything against us, so we

36:27

apparently owe just many, many

36:29

millions to everyone in the world.

36:30

Probably quite soon all of this will move

36:33

to the stage where

36:34

bailiffs will be running around endlessly, demanding

36:37

from us, essentially,

36:42

the money we are supposed to pay

36:43

to the police,

36:44

Mosgortrans (Moscow public transport), the Armenia restaurant,

36:47

Putin, Prigozhin, and everyone else. So

36:52

Konstantin writes to me that he is a former

36:54

law enforcement officer and asks whether

36:56

I have heard about the tragedy of the young woman

36:58

investigator in Sochi.

36:59

And he writes that he knows that people

37:02

their lives, if I’m not mistaken, there, I think...

37:04

There really was a situation where

37:06

some young woman, a police officer,

37:09

was raped by her colleagues, and she took her own life

37:11

by suicide, but

37:14

I think I've read about four such stories in the media, and unfortunately

37:19

this is just another example

37:21

— another tragic example of how in

37:24

Russia, on the one hand, the police have become

37:26

an absolutely useless institution that

37:28

helps no one, and on the other hand, within it

37:30

the police officers themselves are just as much

37:33

victims of this idiotic system. They

37:36

work extremely hard, but do a great deal of

37:38

meaningless work endlessly

37:40

— pointless paperwork nobody needs.

37:43

The atmosphere in these workplaces is such that, well,

37:46

when truly serious

37:48

crimes happen there — say, they rape a colleague

37:50

at the police department —

37:51

then what can you expect from Sochi

37:53

or Krasnodar? I keep talking about this all the time; no

37:56

other region comes up as often in my

37:58

program — except maybe Ryashchaya (unclear proper name) even more often.

38:00

Krasnodar Krai is a zone of banditry.

38:03

Everything that happens in Kuban (a region in southern Russia) is just

38:06

lawlessness. There is absolutely no rule of law there at all.

38:08

Now let's talk about

38:12

the lucky ones. It seems like

38:13

the main theme we've landed on is that people

38:15

want to leave the country. But even

38:18

the marvelous, amazing lucky ones,

38:21

the beneficiaries of all the pain caused by what is happening

38:23

in our country, also want to leave — or at least

38:27

they get very anxious

38:29

when someone hints that soon they

38:31

may no longer be able to escape from this wonderful,

38:34

beautiful Russia, where they so enthusiastically

38:35

support

38:36

Vladimir Putin. One example is the oligarch

38:39

Deripaska — Oleg Deripaska, the well-known

38:41

billionaire. He

38:44

made his money by pulling aluminum out of

38:47

Russian soil and selling it

38:50

abroad, and that is how he became

38:52

a billionaire. In effect, he

38:55

profits from the fact that electricity in Russia is very

38:56

cheap, and because in

39:00

the cost structure of aluminum, electricity

39:02

is the biggest component. So, well, that's just how it happened:

39:04

electricity in Siberia is cheap,

39:07

and it would seem that this ought to make

39:11

all of us a little richer, but

39:13

the one who mainly gets richer from it is

39:15

Oleg Deripaska.

39:16

And despite the fact that he is an official

39:18

billionaire — what does a guy like that do?

39:21

A man who adores Vladimir Putin and has given

39:23

a billion interviews

39:24

about what a wonderful president Vladimir

39:26

Putin is — of course he immediately runs off

39:28

to get a passport from another country. In

39:31

particular, Deripaska — both he and his family —

39:33

received Cypriot passports. There is

39:36

a so-called golden passport procedure there:

39:38

you invest money in the Cypriot economy,

39:40

and of course you're not stupid, you're not going to

39:42

invest it in Irkutsk or

39:44

Krasnoyarsk — you invest it in Cyprus,

39:47

and you get those passports. And in Cyprus

39:51

there are also political forces

39:52

that are not very happy with this situation.

39:54

They say: why the hell are we giving our Cypriot

39:56

passports to Russian crooks and gangsters?

39:59

Maybe we should stop

40:00

doing that. And a process began under which

40:03

some people had

40:06

their investment-based citizenship revoked. And then

40:07

a report appeared saying that 26

40:10

people, including Deripaska and his family,

40:12

had their Cypriot citizenship taken away. So it would seem

40:18

— or rather, you would think — that a guy who

40:21

so demonstratively adores and flatters Putin

40:24

over and over again, endlessly,

40:26

what should he say when a

40:28

report appears in the Cypriot press saying that

40:30

this happened? He ought to say: well, to hell with

40:33

them, to hell with their

40:34

damn Cypriot citizenship,

40:36

everything is great here in Russia, I love

40:39

Russia so much I can hardly stand it, everything is wonderful. But no — they

40:42

put out a press release saying that none of this

40:45

is true,

40:47

that Oleg Deripaska remains

40:51

a citizen of Cyprus, and of course all of this is

40:54

the doing of the United States.

40:55

And to commit such an utterly unthinkable

40:59

outrage against Oleg Deripaska — to deprive

41:02

him of his Cypriot civil rights,

41:03

his citizenship —

41:04

could only be done by those

41:06

sadists, those Gestapo types from the U.S. State Department, because

41:10

really, just admit it,

41:11

what an unimaginable crime: depriving an oligarch's entire family

41:14

of the ability to travel to

41:16

the European Union visa-free, and in general

41:19

to move around the world and enjoy their

41:22

billions. That really is, well,

41:23

a crime against humanity. So of course

41:25

of course

41:26

Deripaska says: oh no, nothing

41:27

of the sort is happening. But I just want

41:29

to remind you, my friends, who is it that endlessly

41:33

keeps saving Deripaska — us, or Cyprus,

41:37

or the United States? Because there he is,

41:40

wanting to be a citizen there, wanting to go there, and he

41:42

worries about what the State Department said or

41:44

what Cyprus told him. But in 2008, it was

41:48

Vnesheconombank (a Russian state development bank) that rescued him and gave him

41:50

crisis assistance in the form of a loan for four

41:54

and a half billion dollars. That was at the very

41:57

height of the 2008 crisis, remember?

41:59

All across the country, people with foreign-currency

42:00

mortgages were running around crying, "My God, we can't

42:03

pay for our apartments now." Back then

42:05

people were literally dropping to their knees and crying — they had simply

42:08

bought apartments,

42:09

then the dollar exchange rate changed, and nobody

42:11

helped them then. But Oleg Deripaska — we did.

42:14

We shelled out money in 2011—$1.5 billion.

42:17

Billion dollars. And Harry—

42:19

we financed him.

42:21

Try going out and buying a washing machine on credit,

42:25

and then asking to refinance it.

42:26

You won’t get anything. But Oleg

42:28

Deripaska—we financed him, and then

42:33

we financed this whole

42:35

huge loan for him—$9.5

42:36

billion.

42:37

Then in 2014 he took out loans from

42:41

Sberbank and rolled them over; at the beginning of this

42:43

year he again simply asked for help from

42:45

the state.

42:46

30 billion rubles (about $470 million), and he’ll get it—and I have no

42:50

doubt about that. So, essentially, Deripaska’s

42:53

business model is that he

42:55

is constantly getting some kind of

42:56

state support,

42:58

runs his business extremely inefficiently, and

43:01

does so because he knows that sooner or later

43:02

the state will throw money at him and give him cheap

43:04

loans—or just outright non-repayable money

43:06

that can be endlessly finan—

43:08

endlessly refinanced, and we keep swallowing it. And he’s so eager to get to Cyprus, and

43:10

he’s obsessed with it, and he’s so desperate to get to Cyprus, and

43:13

it all looks, well, just

43:15

strange. But once again it underlines that even

43:17

those people who, damn it, have

43:19

everything they have handed to them—everything he has was given to him by

43:22

Putin and the Putin regime; United Russia (the ruling political party)

43:25

made Deripaska rich, and even he

43:28

is desperately, with all his might,

43:31

trying to flee our country. That gives you something to

43:34

think about.

43:38

Let’s take a look at what questions

43:40

have come in. There are 33,000 people

43:42

watching live. I can see people asking

43:46

mostly about this roundtable

43:47

at the Moscow City Duma. Guys, I really don’t know

43:49

what’s going on. I really don’t. I know

43:51

that there’s a request from a deputy who wants

43:53

to hold a roundtable on parole issues—

43:55

and positions on them. We were invited there,

43:57

and apparently passes were arranged for all of us,

43:59

but the faction leader

44:02

refused to use that hall. So what exactly

44:04

is happening there? Some very funny things,

44:07

I think Sobyanin (Moscow’s mayor) is calling everyone

44:09

and squeaking in a thin voice: ‘Cancel it!

44:10

Ban it! Don’t let anyone in!’ Well, we’ll see.

44:14

There were also a lot of questions about all this and about

44:17

this latest

44:19

doping scandal, and it really is

44:22

very important because, as was rightly

44:26

written, on the one hand there’s a huge article

44:28

about it on Sports.ru—go

44:31

read it.

44:32

It’s important for everyone to know and understand this because

44:35

in the long term it will have a major impact on

44:38

Russian sport and on Russia’s image. It will

44:40

be discussed endlessly, and the gist

44:42

of the article is that Russia once again tried to

44:45

deceive everyone, Russia was caught again, and we

44:48

were disgraced, and for that we got, well,

44:51

basically everything is written there correctly.

44:53

I just want to say—well, why ‘we’?

44:54

I’m part of Russia, and you are part

44:56

of Russia too—33,000 people are watching live,

44:58

and I think not one of those 33,000

45:01

people watching this live has ever mixed anything into a sample

45:03

or cheated in any way. So this is not

45:06

‘Russia was caught’—it’s Putin who once again

45:09

tried to cheat and rig the system, and

45:13

once again he was caught and had his face rubbed in it.

45:17

But unfortunately, the ones who will pay for

45:20

it are us and Russian athletes.

45:22

So what happened? Let’s take a look.

45:24

First, Mutko says that

45:27

the doping problem

45:28

is really a problem for the whole world, not

45:30

just a problem of the Russian

45:32

state. In fact, in that very

45:34

statement, in that hypocrisy of his, lies

45:37

a large part of our problem. Mutko says

45:40

that this is not only Russia’s problem;

45:43

doping is a problem for all of world

45:46

sport. It’s not just a problem in track and

45:48

field; it’s a problem in other sports too.

45:50

These are problems that already

45:53

concern everyone. It’s not a tragedy for us

45:58

if we’re not allowed in; for the country, well, if

46:02

some number of us don’t go, then so be it.

46:04

We’ve long since stopped

46:07

politicizing Olympic results here.

46:08

For us there are now other

46:11

tasks and values. But the question is different:

46:15

what will this give world athletics?

46:20

That’s their main narrative; they always

46:24

say this to everyone, and of course they’re

46:27

repeating it now too: everyone uses doping,

46:29

everyone does. ‘Just look—what about

46:31

the Norwegians? They’re all asthmatics,’

46:33

they like to point fingers: these people

46:35

use it, those people use it—so why

46:37

are only we punished?’ The only difference

46:40

is that over there, some specific

46:43

athlete—I don’t know,

46:45

Johansson or Smith or someone else—he

46:48

may use it or may not.

46:50

If he does use it, he gets

46:52

caught and disqualified. That’s his problem

46:54

and his coach’s problem. Here, all of this was carried out at

46:58

the state level. Russia is being punished

47:01

not because our athletes use

47:03

doping—that would have been the athletes’ problem.

47:05

They’d be disqualified, and that would be that. But we

47:07

are all being punished collectively and

47:09

thrown out of top-level sport because

47:11

it was state policy.

47:13

Let me remind you of the chronology of events before

47:16

the Sochi Olympics.

47:18

All those miserable hacks, together with Mutko,

47:20

got together and did the math, and saw that

47:23

despite the fact that they had poured in

47:25

an enormous amount of money—and stolen a lot of it—

47:28

we still weren’t going to win many medals, and we

47:30

would end up, I don’t know, in 4th, 5th, 6th, or 8th place.

47:34

overall in the Olympic medal standings and

47:38

well, basically, that’s just not cool in

47:41

the Olympics, after sinking at least $50 billion into it

47:42

dollars at a minimum, absolutely

47:45

fantastically valuable to him. So he said, I

47:46

want first place. And all these

47:49

people around him nodded and said, well, we know

47:51

a way to do that, you know, just, well,

47:55

probably with pharmacology for everyone

47:57

to make it work. Let’s just be better than

48:00

everyone else.

48:00

And we’ll simply move it to the state

48:02

level, after which the Federal Security Service

48:05

and the state as a whole

48:09

were engaged in cheating with doping

48:13

at the Sochi Olympics. This was not done by

48:15

the athletes—that’s the issue. It was done by

48:17

the state. Putin did it. It was done by

48:19

Mutko.

48:20

It was specifically carried out by FSB operatives, as we

48:22

now know from all these materials.

48:25

They were working in the actual

48:26

doping laboratory, drilling a hole in

48:29

the wall.

48:29

They passed urine sample tubes through it; a special

48:32

FSB officer handled all of that. In other words,

48:34

it was a total disgrace, and we were punished for it.

48:36

And then they said, well, that is to say,

48:39

why is all of this still

48:40

continuing now? They said there had to be

48:44

an investigation: give us all the

48:46

materials.

48:47

Give us all the documents because we

48:49

don’t trust this, this your

48:51

RUSADA, the Russian anti-doping agency there

48:53

that is supposedly monitoring those athletes. We’ll

48:55

check all of this ourselves. To which our people

48:57

said, sure, yes, we’ve started an investigation

48:59

too. But then, what lawlessness—all the materials

49:02

were taken by the Investigative Committee

49:03

and at the Investigative Committee everything disappeared.

49:07

Some files vanished, these ones were erased, and

49:10

here the sample tubes and everything, everything somehow

49:12

disappeared, and now nothing can be checked anymore.

49:15

And Putin sits there all cheerful and

49:17

happy and says, you know, it just

49:18

turned out that everything disappeared, and he smiles and

49:21

thinks that’s it, and the Europeans too

49:23

will shrug and say, oh well, to hell with it,

49:25

it’s gone, but we understand—sit down, let’s

49:28

pat each other on the back, because you all do this too,

49:29

but as I said in one of

49:32

my programs years ago, I cited a country

49:34

as an example—Albania—and that’s not how it

49:36

works, because there too there are

49:38

athletes who also dream of

49:41

medals, and in countries all over the world

49:43

there are also just guys

49:45

who, well, basically don’t agree with that. They

49:47

have the same kind of political

49:49

pressure inside their own countries. They also

49:51

spend money on sports. They also have

49:54

a huge number of difficulties and problems

49:56

with doping.

49:57

But somehow they catch their own athletes and

50:01

disqualify them and throw them out. But, basically,

50:03

they fight for medals—that’s a big

50:05

and complicated process—and then they see that

50:06

Putin is like, overnight, just telling everyone there,

50:08

like, now we’ll all juice up, toss out the samples,

50:11

deceive all of you, and take

50:13

the gold medals. Ha-ha, great, guys,

50:15

do you like that scheme? No, we don’t

50:17

like that scheme. And now, for the

50:19

second time, they’re cheating again, now with

50:22

the involvement of the Investigative Committee, and

50:24

again laughing in everyone’s face and saying, basically,

50:26

you do understand that I outplayed all of you, right?

50:29

That kind of crap

50:30

doesn’t appeal to anyone. What is happening with

50:32

doping in Russia appeals to no one anywhere in

50:35

the world, because these are not isolated excesses;

50:37

this is state policy. No one will accept

50:41

a system in which, well, maybe something

50:43

might be happening under the table, when

50:45

the president is organizing falsification and

50:48

mass doping at

50:51

the Olympics. That’s something beyond the pale.

50:53

Let’s recall, we had

50:55

just such a situation that

50:58

perfectly illustrates

51:00

the country’s doping problem. In Irkutsk

51:02

there was a competition, and there

51:06

doping officers unexpectedly arrived. No one

51:09

knew they were coming there. Right there

51:11

at the track-and-field

51:13

competition

51:14

36 people withdrew from the competition. That is,

51:18

they found out doping control had arrived and said,

51:21

I think I’d rather not take part in

51:24

the competition and submit to doping control.

51:25

And I won’t, I won’t, no one will, and

51:27

36 people withdrew. This is state

51:30

policy. And if we hope—well, Putin hopes

51:34

that he can keep, like,

51:36

outplaying everyone like this and everyone will

51:38

stay silent—that’s not going to happen. We really will be

51:40

thrown out of all this sport.

51:42

And Mutko says, well, okay,

51:44

they kicked us out, fine, we’ll just be without a couple of

51:46

medals. It’s not that—we’ll simply be without a couple of

51:49

medals.

51:50

There are many, many people who have spent their whole lives

51:53

on running or

51:55

jumping, wrecked their health over it. They won’t

51:57

just fail to get those medals—they

52:00

won’t even have a chance to compete

52:02

for those medals. And by that point everyone

52:04

in charge no longer cares about any of it, again and again.

52:10

That is exactly why people leave, because

52:14

people do not want to live in this

52:16

endless grab-and-steal system (a reference to Putin’s phrase 'tsap-tsarap,' meaning to snatch things).

52:19

Putin, quite astonishingly, recently

52:22

said that this is basically their whole politics:

52:23

you know, we just snatch things here and there, and with

52:26

doping too—stole here, cheated there,

52:28

fudged things here, rigged the elections

52:30

there. It’s all incredibly blatant, but we

52:32

So, like, we'll look over everyone and

52:34

with such a charming smile

52:37

smile for 17 seconds about this "grab-and-snatch" thing so as

52:39

to remind you what it looks like, well,

52:42

let's wait until the Americans

52:44

spend money on new technologies for

52:48

extracting shale oil, and then from them

52:50

and drones too—we'll see whether we

52:53

are even interested in that today or not

52:55

So, either

52:56

we'll just go in and buy it—well, we'll see.

53:00

Invent it here, steal it there—the audience

53:03

laughs—but it's exactly the same thing

53:06

with this doping scandal. Right, like, what, we were somehow

53:08

helping everyone, and we just, we just

53:11

brought the FSB (Russia's security service) into it, and got everyone involved

53:14

and then the Investigative Committee (Russia's main federal investigative body) accidentally

53:15

destroyed all the evidence—grab-and-snatch—and

53:18

and now even Fetisov—you know, I have

53:20

not the slightest sympathy

53:23

for the former famous Russian and

53:25

Soviet hockey player Fetisov,

53:27

but even he says about this situation

53:29

literally—being a United Russia party member and

53:32

quite a character besides—he says that we are

53:36

the most

53:37

disgraced country in the history of world

53:39

sport. Even our hockey players—well, because

53:42

they're athletes, they understand

53:44

that this is beyond any, well,

53:49

beyond the usual situations where, well, someone might

53:51

look away or fail to notice, but

53:54

when the state deliberately

53:56

falsifies things for years, and then, trying

53:59

to cover it all up, falsifies everything again—well,

54:02

we really are the most disgraced country, but

54:04

I just want to say once again

54:06

that it isn't we who disgraced ourselves, but Putin

54:09

who disgraced himself, and United Russia, within which

54:12

this Fetisov sits—they are the ones who brought shame on themselves

54:14

the fraudsters, and we want nothing

54:16

to do with it, and really, quite simply,

54:19

again, in the Beautiful Russia of the Future

54:21

someone will have to deal with all the filth

54:23

that Putin, Mutko, and all the other

54:25

crooks have done, but we'll have to deal with it.

54:26

Good evening. 24 asks:

54:29

"Alexei, are questions for the

54:31

live broadcast censored or not?" Good evening, my dear, no,

54:34

they are not censored, and in particular your sharp

54:36

and shocking question about censorship—I have just

54:39

answered it. Andrei Kalach asks: if

54:43

Irina Rodnina is a U.S. citizen,

54:44

did she really have the right to become, and then serve as, a

54:46

State Duma deputy? She did not, as I understand it. As for

54:49

Irina Rodnina, her daughter has

54:51

U.S. citizenship; maybe Rodnina herself does too,

54:53

I don't know. But listen, if we take

54:56

our high-ranking United Russia officials, their

54:58

relatives, members of the State Duma,

55:00

members of the Federation Council,

55:02

there will be about 30 percent of people with foreign

55:04

citizenship, because first and foremost they all

55:07

being wealthy people, rush first

55:09

to get themselves a foreign passport, and

55:11

then they run

55:12

back and pass laws under which we

55:16

are foreign agents. And this week we

55:18

simply had

55:21

an absolutely spectacular

55:24

reply—well, not even a reply, you could say,

55:26

we received an absolutely spectacular

55:28

document. You know that the Anti-Corruption

55:29

Foundation was declared a foreign agent,

55:32

and this whole operation of declaring

55:34

people foreign agents—well, it's simply

55:35

a fraudulent scheme. United Russia itself,

55:38

Putin, his special services, I don't know who else there,

55:40

the same FSB types who were swapping

55:42

samples in the doping case,

55:44

they funneled some amount of

55:48

money to us through some Spanish acquaintances of theirs,

55:49

and all of it looks so

55:51

ridiculous that we will, of course, immediately

55:53

expose all of it. And we were declared

55:55

a foreign agent. We wrote—we first

55:57

filed suit; in court the Justice Ministry came and brought

56:01

some document, didn't show it to us, and

56:03

said, "Here, look, Your Honor, here,

56:05

it was on the basis of this that we declared them

56:07

a foreign agent, but we won't let them

56:08

copy it or even look at it."

56:11

The court upheld it, so they won against us.

56:14

But after that we wrote a letter and signed

56:16

a request: "Guys, you declared us

56:19

a foreign agent, so please give us

56:22

the grounds on which you declared us

56:25

a foreign agent, with specific

56:27

points—like a menu. We want to

56:28

correct them. If you think that we

56:30

received foreign money, we'll return it.

56:32

Just show us what amounts and where you

56:34

found them." And we received—attention please—

56:37

an absolutely delightful reply

56:39

which says that this document was provided to the Ministry

56:42

by certain state

56:45

authorities, and it doesn't even

56:47

say who. And then at the bottom we see that this

56:49

document is marked "For Official Use Only,"

56:52

and therefore we cannot give it to you.

56:55

So, we declare you

56:58

foreign agents, but the grounds on

57:01

which we declared you

57:02

foreign agents are secret, so we won't

57:04

give them to you, which means you won't be able to

57:06

appeal it.

57:06

And that means you become forever

57:09

foreign agents—we have declared you so

57:11

already,

57:11

but you don't even understand why and do not

57:13

have the right to know, because it's secret.

57:15

What happened? Another grab-and-snatch, just

57:18

another petty fraud by these

57:21

Putin people, these United Russia types, all the rest. As

57:25

I often say on the program,

57:27

I still expected at least some

57:28

greater elegance from them. But these guys are just

57:31

so utterly crude.

57:32

and when they’re backed into a corner

57:34

they say, well, you falsified everything,

57:35

No, no—there’s a document about you, but it

57:37

is classified, we won’t give it to you.

57:40

So with these people, we, just as before,

57:43

having already been labeled a “foreign agent,”

57:45

will simply fight even more actively against

57:49

this United Russia and this Putin regime,

57:51

because they really are utterly vile,

57:55

shameless people who are not embarrassed for a second,

57:57

people who have simply sunk to

58:00

the very lowest level—they still

58:03

cannot give us the document on the basis of which we were

58:06

declared a “foreign agent,” and

58:09

at the same time, meanwhile,

58:11

the United Russia congress was, of course, the most

58:13

important political event,

58:16

that happened this week—very

58:18

important, in fact, because it shows

58:20

what they are going to do and what

58:23

we need to do in preparation for 2021.

58:26

There were many, many different rumors about

58:29

how Putin would now drag his party of

58:31

power into the 2021 elections.

58:33

They need to win again and control

58:35

the State Duma. How do you do that when

58:37

everyone hates United Russia?

58:39

It loses in Moscow; it suffered

58:41

a significant defeat there, even considering

58:44

that they did not allow a single

58:45

independent candidate onto the ballot, falsified the election,

58:49

and still a whole bunch of independent

58:52

deputies got into the Moscow City Duma. And, well, different people

58:56

proposed different solutions, up to and including

58:58

dissolving United Russia altogether,

59:00

rebranding it, and so on. Then the United Russia congress took place,

59:02

and it became clear from it that

59:05

nothing will change. They decided, exactly

59:08

as in 2011,

59:10

and then in 2016, to simply steamroll us

59:13

with that same United Russia

59:16

once again. And now they have announced again

59:19

—you know, like in zombie movies,

59:21

when they say, “It’s alive!”

59:22

It’s the same thing here: they gathered on

59:24

stage and said, nothing of the sort,

59:26

our United Russia is the greatest, we

59:29

are going with it again, and Putin

59:32

—let’s take a quick look at the way

59:35

he said that in 2020, during his

59:37

presidency: you know, guys, we need to

59:39

earn people’s trust. You are the ruling

59:41

party. For 20 years we have needed to win

59:44

people’s trust. We cannot ignore

59:46

their problems. Just think about it for

59:47

a second: according to Putin, United Russia is the largest

59:51

and leading political party in the country, and

59:54

it earned that status because

59:57

it always put the protection of

1:00:01

citizens’ interests first. The main thing in the work of a

1:00:03

party is to be with the people, to know in detail

1:00:05

people’s demands, their needs and problems, and

1:00:09

to respond to them so that people

1:00:12

feel positive changes in their

1:00:14

lives.

1:00:15

To help, to explain, to protect. I repeat:

1:00:18

the main benchmark for the party’s work

1:00:20

is people’s opinion about the current

1:00:22

situation, about the pace of positive

1:00:25

changes in all spheres that determine

1:00:27

a person’s quality of life.

1:00:29

The status of the ruling party, the party of power,

1:00:32

does not consist in celebrating, but in

1:00:36

serving—

1:00:37

serving the people of Russia, not in

1:00:42

showing off, but in serving. And then

1:00:44

all these thick-faced people with stolen

1:00:47

mandates sitting in the hall start applauding wildly,

1:00:51

because, at the same time,

1:00:53

you understand, they really are in a

1:00:56

kind of hopeless situation. So let’s just

1:00:58

imagine:

1:00:59

what is Putin supposed to do—merge

1:01:02

United Russia with his All-Russia People’s Front?

1:01:04

You could imagine that, but it would add nothing. Create

1:01:07

another party? It would be even worse. They

1:01:09

have no good moves at all, and that is why

1:01:11

now, in 2020, they have gone back

1:01:15

to their same old routine

1:01:17

about “people’s trust,” and now

1:01:20

you’ll see: over the next two years we

1:01:22

will see a constant attempt to artificially boost

1:01:24

United Russia’s ratings. They will

1:01:26

show up,

1:01:26

they will help some old woman get running water,

1:01:30

they will help some old man carry buckets

1:01:33

to his house, they will travel to

1:01:35

remote villages and give a little girl

1:01:37

a kitten, even though what she really needs is a school bus

1:01:40

to take her to school. But they will solve no

1:01:42

substantive problems at all.

1:01:45

In fact,

1:01:45

what I want to say is that the attempt

1:01:47

to revive United Russia is excellent

1:01:50

news for us, because, as Vladimir Vladimirovich

1:01:53

Putin quite correctly said,

1:01:55

the national leader of the Russian Federation,

1:01:57

the main measure is people’s trust

1:02:01

and people’s opinion. And people’s opinion

1:02:03

of United Russia right now is basically:

1:02:06

to hell with United Russia. And we

1:02:09

will very actively

1:02:12

support people in that opinion, including

1:02:15

through Smart Voting,

1:02:16

through everything we can do

1:02:19

on YouTube and so on. I very much hope that

1:02:21

you will take part in these campaigns,

1:02:23

because 10 years ago they could repair

1:02:27

some old woman’s water pump and say,

1:02:29

“Grandma, we’ll build you a road,

1:02:32

bring you fiber-optic internet, and build for

1:02:34

you not just some new

1:02:37

gas heater, but even a base on Mars.” But

1:02:41

now they can’t even lie that brazenly

1:02:44

anymore.

1:02:44

Because that old woman will remember that

1:02:47

they already promised all this 10 years ago,

1:02:50

and they sat down, thought it over, and decided that was it.

1:02:53

So yes, they really should run with United Russia (the ruling Russian political party) — that's possible.

1:02:55

We say: excellent, come on over here, and we will...

1:02:58

...we will simply tear your United Russia apart, and...

1:03:00

It was very amusing to listen to

1:03:03

Medvedev's speech at this, at this

1:03:06

United Russia congress, where he says that

1:03:07

I think no one should be ashamed of our

1:03:09

party at all. Let's take a look at what

1:03:12

Medvedev is proposing — not to be ashamed. Those

1:03:15

who are ashamed can leave. In twenty-

1:03:17

one, we will face elections to the

1:03:20

State Duma (the lower house of Russia's parliament).

1:03:21

Our goal

1:03:22

as before is to win honestly, confidently,

1:03:29

and decisively. We continue to care for

1:03:32

those who need special attention

1:03:35

from the state: pensioners, people with disabilities.

1:03:38

I believe that United Russia candidates

1:03:41

should be proud of their party

1:03:44

affiliation.

1:03:45

And if someone is ashamed to be in our

1:03:50

ranks, it's better to leave the party and free up

1:03:53

space for those who believe in the party's future. This is

1:03:58

just absurd, and they applaud.

1:04:00

Not one of these people — the governors

1:04:04

sitting there in the front rows — not a single one

1:04:06

of them ran as a United Russia candidate, right?

1:04:08

Right now, in the key regions, here

1:04:11

just now — let's look at Sobyanin,

1:04:13

who explains why he is not running from

1:04:15

United Russia: I will be nominated by the party

1:04:19

of Muscovites, by collecting signatures.

1:04:23

I believe this is right, because

1:04:26

the office of mayor is to a greater extent

1:04:28

administrative rather than political, and it should

1:04:32

take into account the mood, opinions,

1:04:35

proposals,

1:04:36

of Muscovites of all political views, and

1:04:40

of course

1:04:42

collecting tens of thousands of signatures

1:04:45

is a good opportunity to hear

1:04:48

the wishes and

1:04:50

instructions of Muscovites. Well, let's not leave out

1:04:54

Sobyanin either — with his United Russia, he clearly

1:04:56

showed here that he is not just not ashamed — he does not

1:04:58

want it, and does not believe in the future of your

1:05:00

wonderful party. A moment ago there was Beglov,

1:05:03

one of the founders of United Russia,

1:05:06

who also speaks and says

1:05:08

exactly the same thing: what United Russia?

1:05:11

Guys, no, there is no United Russia, no way.

1:05:13

There is no United Russia here — I am running on behalf of the people of St. Petersburg, Beglov says.

1:05:16

One must rise above political ambitions, therefore

1:05:21

I decided to run not from any party, but

1:05:24

simply as an independent candidate, in order to be

1:05:27

independent of one set of views or another.

1:05:30

But I am ready for cooperation, and I very much

1:05:32

ask political parties, city residents, and

1:05:35

public organizations to provide their

1:05:37

proposals,

1:05:38

because right now my team and I

1:05:40

are beginning to formulate our program of

1:05:42

action for the coming years, and it is very

1:05:45

important and interesting for us to take all opinions into account. There you go,

1:05:49

just now they were not running from United Russia.

1:05:52

They recoil from it, and they will keep

1:05:54

avoiding it in the future too. But at the same time the hall

1:05:57

applauds: yes, yes, of course, we need to

1:05:59

run only from United Russia — wonderful.

1:06:01

Please, do run from United Russia. It will be

1:06:04

much easier for us to destroy all of you

1:06:07

and trample you precisely in exactly that

1:06:09

way. That is how these

1:06:12

disgusting

1:06:13

worst people should be dealt with. This whole

1:06:15

United Russia congress is truly the worst

1:06:17

kind of people — simply revolting. Every other one is

1:06:20

a crook, a thief, or simply a traitor, a

1:06:22

scoundrel.

1:06:23

By the way, the percentage there of

1:06:24

foreign passports — foreign, I mean,

1:06:26

foreign citizenships — would simply be

1:06:29

off the charts. Every other person there is

1:06:31

a foreign citizen, and at the same time all of them

1:06:33

talk about what great patriots they are. And

1:06:35

the only reason to be in United Russia is

1:06:38

one thing: because if you have

1:06:40

— if you're running, no, not because of United Russia —

1:06:43

but if you do have a party

1:06:44

membership card, then first of all you can steal

1:06:48

as much

1:06:48

as you want, and secondly you will receive

1:06:50

all kinds of state perks

1:06:53

that, for example, others with the same

1:06:56

status — people just like you, say,

1:06:57

deputies of the State Duma or the Moscow City Duma — would not get.

1:06:59

But you will, because you are a United Russia member.

1:07:02

A really excellent investigation has come out

1:07:03

from our Moscow team, which I will

1:07:05

show you — 1 minute 18 seconds. It turned out that

1:07:09

there is, apparently, a secret settlement

1:07:12

where special elite

1:07:16

cottages have been set aside, where all

1:07:18

expenses are paid — communism built for the chosen ones.

1:07:20

At the Moscow City Duma, only those from United

1:07:23

Russia get this, while people from other factions

1:07:25

don't even — well, let's watch a clip.

1:07:27

Here, cars are driving out of the gates of the Moscow City Duma.

1:07:30

These are the cars of United Russia members Kostya Belkovy and

1:07:32

Guseva, and other deputies' Audis.

1:07:34

Many of them are heading toward

1:07:36

Odintsovo, to a luxurious cottage community.

1:07:38

But they do not drive into it; instead, they go onto

1:07:41

the adjacent territory behind a tall

1:07:42

fence. Before us is Paulus Lake. Here

1:07:45

that very Nazi

1:07:47

general was held prisoner.

1:07:48

And also, farther on, there was a dacha of the head of the NKVD (the Soviet secret police),

1:07:51

Genrikh Yagoda. It is a historic place and

1:07:53

a beautiful view, but that is not what interests us — rather,

1:07:55

those rows of townhouses. This is the territory

1:07:58

of the former lakeside retreat. A few

1:08:00

of the houses stand right on the shore, while

1:08:02

the rest are a little farther from the water, among

1:08:04

the trees: brown roofs,

1:08:06

asphalt paths between tall

1:08:08

trees, a serene view, and a huge fence

1:08:10

all around. From below, everything looks pretty good too.

1:08:13

Here is one of the most brazen members of United Russia (the Kremlin-backed ruling party).

1:08:15

Semennikov is skateboarding here.

1:08:19

And what have you heard about official housing for

1:08:22

deputies? I know for a fact that he

1:08:26

hands out these dachas (country houses).

1:08:30

I know Anastasia Vladimirovna Rabkova,

1:08:35

and I know that in order to get one,

1:08:39

you have to go to her. I was, so to speak,

1:08:42

advised: why don't you go and see Rabkova,

1:08:44

talk to her, and then perhaps she will make

1:08:50

such a decision about granting it. 38,000

1:08:54

people are watching us live.

1:08:55

Go to the Moscow штаб (campaign headquarters) website

1:08:58

and watch this investigation in full there.

1:08:59

It's genuinely great. I mean, they

1:09:01

— I'll say it again — have built communism for themselves there.

1:09:02

They even pay for dry cleaning for all these people.

1:09:05

It's all paid through state procurement at the expense of

1:09:08

the Moscow budget. They were given cottages, and

1:09:11

they guard their little

1:09:13

happiness.

1:09:14

This little United Russia pocket of happiness is

1:09:16

really remarkable. We will use all these materials

1:09:18

in order to

1:09:20

destroy their disgusting party. But

1:09:23

to wrap up my program, I want to say

1:09:25

that in some sense they are striking

1:09:26

back. We are constantly making

1:09:29

flyover videos, showing the luxurious lives of all sorts of

1:09:33

these United Russia people. They really don't

1:09:35

like it, and they want to do the same too. Well,

1:09:36

it's rather pointless to fly over

1:09:38

my apartment in Maryino (a Moscow district), or

1:09:41

my parents' dacha, because if

1:09:43

you see that flyover, you'll vote for me

1:09:45

even more enthusiastically.

1:09:46

But United Russia has found itself new servants.

1:09:50

And this week, really, how can we

1:09:53

on the internet outdo United Russia? So United

1:09:56

Russia, using all of state

1:09:57

television and propaganda,

1:09:59

went after its two main enemies:

1:10:02

Sofia Rotaru and Natalya Vetlitskaya.

1:10:06

We saw them absolutely raging,

1:10:10

shouting,

1:10:11

wailing and lamenting, and they even hired their

1:10:14

journalists to fly over

1:10:18

Natalya Vetlitskaya's house outside Moscow.

1:10:21

Let's watch this shocking

1:10:23

report. You can go and see it yourselves.

1:10:27

Look, this is a singer who moved to

1:10:31

Spain and was slinging mud at Russia

1:10:35

from Spain, and now she's come back and started

1:10:38

doing a concert tour across Russia. And

1:10:40

if she's doing a concert tour across

1:10:42

Russia,

1:10:43

then she should be praising our authorities. She

1:10:46

should love Vladimir Vladimirovich

1:10:48

Putin. She should be right here together with

1:10:50

everyone else. Look — Valeriya, who else is there,

1:10:53

Prigozhin, Gazmanov — they're all standing there

1:10:55

fawning over us. So why isn't Vetlitskaya

1:10:58

kissing up too? But let's not argue about that now.

1:11:00

Let's simply admire this wonderful

1:11:04

article they published: "Natasha

1:11:06

Vetlitskaya returns to Russia with a new

1:11:09

program, with which she will go on

1:11:11

tour. For 10 years she wrote from Spain

1:11:13

vile things about Russia and its people,

1:11:14

but now she's toned it down a little and

1:11:17

will now shamelessly take

1:11:19

money from those she smeared with mud."

1:11:22

As for Natalya Vetlitskaya — the cameraman's enemy,

1:11:25

there is just... And by the way, I would also

1:11:27

note: not only did they show

1:11:30

her dacha, but the Rossiya 24 TV channel also did

1:11:33

a shocking investigation claiming that

1:11:35

singer Vetlitskaya lives near Patriarch's Ponds

1:11:37

and has country real estate worth

1:11:40

1 billion rubles (about US$11 million). This is what is commonly

1:11:41

called a dacha. They found that Natalya Vetlitskaya has

1:11:44

an apartment closer to the center, at Patriarch's Ponds.

1:11:46

At Patriarch's Ponds...

1:11:48

The value of the home is estimated at 500

1:11:50

million rubles (about US$5.5 million).

1:11:51

Perhaps the rumors that the singer has been broke since the 1990s

1:11:53

are greatly exaggerated.

1:11:55

But isn't it wonderful? They too

1:11:59

sat there agonizing: my God, who should we film,

1:12:01

whose house should we fly over,

1:12:02

whose palace should we shove in people's faces?

1:12:04

And they found one:

1:12:06

Natalya Vetlitskaya. It's absolutely

1:12:08

delightful. Let it stay that way.

1:12:12

Let the people of our country see that

1:12:17

the enemy of the authorities is Natalya Vetlitskaya,

1:12:20

who has never really been — I mean, I wouldn't exactly

1:12:22

call myself a great defender of Natalya

1:12:24

Vetlitskaya, and she probably has no need of my

1:12:26

legal services — but good Lord, they've found

1:12:28

someone to pick on. She has never been

1:12:31

an official, she was nobody in government, and she still isn't

1:12:33

someone who receives money from us. She

1:12:36

just had some kind of eventful personal life.

1:12:39

There were probably some people who

1:12:40

helped her buy all these

1:12:41

lovely mansions

1:12:42

or wherever she lives. But in any case,

1:12:45

it doesn't really seem connected to the idea that

1:12:48

Natalya Vetlitskaya somehow stole from you,

1:12:51

or from me, or from anyone else. She simply

1:12:54

sings her songs and writes things

1:12:56

on social media. And yet United Russia

1:12:58

came down on her. Wonderful. Well then,

1:13:01

let it be that way.

1:13:02

And there was a question here at the very beginning:

1:13:04

are we preparing — are we preparing for 2021?

1:13:07

Yes, we are. We are building a system

1:13:10

under which, on completely clear

1:13:15

grounds and with evidence, we will

1:13:19

target this party and specific individuals

1:13:21

and destroy them morally, plain and simple,

1:13:23

morally and in PR terms.

1:13:26

But in response, they have nothing on us,

1:13:28

so they'll go running after Natalya Vetlitskaya.

1:13:30

All I can do is sympathize with her, and with Sofia

1:13:32

Rotaru, who will apparently have to endure

1:13:35

quite a few unpleasant moments.

1:13:38

So this will be their small contribution to

1:13:41

the fight against the disgusting

1:13:42

United Russia party. Thank you very much

1:13:44

to everyone who watched our program. Tomorrow

1:13:46

there will be some kind of unclear, strange thing

1:13:48

again. Now, I see questions about a roundtable

1:13:50

at the Moscow City Duma (Moscow city parliament)

1:13:51

I don’t know what will happen; the application has been submitted

1:13:54

the deputy who is organizing this roundtable

1:13:56

is confirming that it will take place

1:13:58

Ilya Yashin, Sobol, Burov

1:14:01

Zhdanov, and others. A representative, Vladimir

1:14:05

Milov, as well as representatives of the Anti-Corruption Foundation

1:14:06

will be there. Well, we’ll go to the Moscow City Duma

1:14:08

and try to take part in this

1:14:10

roundtable. After all, under the law

1:14:12

we, as citizens of Russia, absolutely have

1:14:14

the right to sit down with opposition deputies

1:14:16

and discuss something. I hope

1:14:18

while I have the chance, I’d like to invite Alexei

1:14:21

Shaposhnikov, the chairman of the Moscow

1:14:23

City Duma, to come as well and speak

1:14:25

there on behalf of United Russia. Let him

1:14:27

speak there and tell us why this

1:14:29

party, as Medvedev said, will

1:14:31

keep winning

1:14:31

because it is used to winning. It will be very

1:14:34

interesting. Thank you very much

1:14:36

see you on Thursday

1:14:53

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