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Hello everyone. It's 8:00 p.m. in Moscow, and you're watching live

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the program *Russia of the Future*.

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Its host is Alexei Navalny, or, as one

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of the Kremlin's propaganda outlets once called me, a man

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who will stop at nothing.

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In a way, that was probably

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partly true today, because

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today I really did something

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I'm a little embarrassed

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to admit on air:

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I watched all three and a half hours

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of Putin's press conference. We were streaming it,

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and I knew you'd be asking me

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about it.

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By the way, send in your questions with the hashtag

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hashtag

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#RussiaOfTheFuture on Twitter, and I'll

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try to answer them. So yes,

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I watched all three and a half hours, honestly,

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from beginning to end, and it really was

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quite a spectacle, of course.

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First of all, what was striking wasn't even

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just the usual spectacle of

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bootlickers from all over the country gathering together,

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but a battle of bootlickers. You had the usual

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federal-level bootlickers who flatter

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Putin 24/7

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going head-to-head with regional bootlickers

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who had come specially

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from Vladivostok, Yaroslavl, from all over

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the country. They come there in order to

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say something like,

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basically, to compete over who loves

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Vladimir Vladimirovich more. Let's watch a few

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seconds of a typical question—19 seconds

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from Putin's press conference.

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In one of your appearances at

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a previous press conference, you said

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something interesting: that you are

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a collector, and that you collect emotions,

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and that this is your wealth as the leader

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of the country. So in that

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emotional sense, what kind of year was this?

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What do you consider the main event

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of the year?

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Vladimir Vladimirovich, collecting emotions...

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Well then, tell us: emotionally, for you...

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And separately, I just want to note this

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guy, Kondratyev, the correspondent—I've been seeing him

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since school.

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Literally since school. I was a schoolboy, and he

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was hosting some program there—Channel One, big news, whatever it was called then.

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Back then there wasn't much else besides

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the big news broadcasts. He was a correspondent in

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Germany, then he was...

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Then I became a student, then I got

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married, had children, and now I host this

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program—and once again I see this guy

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standing there, gazing up ingratiatingly,

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asking some little question like that,

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so that Putin can say, yes,

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emotionally this year was

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difficult, but still very joyful, we...

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Something like that. So what was notable about this

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conference? Probably, first of all,

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the fact that it wasn't notable

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at all. He convened it in order

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to answer questions—but he didn't answer any.

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I even wrote on my cup: 'Did not answer.'

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Because usually after

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a press conference—and during it too—

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Twitter periodically explodes,

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people start posting, then

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articles come out and everyone discusses it. That's because

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Putin stages these events

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in order to throw out some

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interesting tidbit—maybe

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announce a foreign policy initiative,

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name some new enemy, or tell

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some especially juicy joke about

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a grandmother, a pillow, or a mother-in-law,

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so that some of our fellow citizens will still think,

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'Wow, what a man of the people.' Or

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very often, someone supposedly asks him a tough

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question—some specially selected

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female journalist asks ten difficult questions in a row,

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sharp questions on painful, pressing topics,

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and then he picks one of them,

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answers it, and that's that—as if the issue

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has been addressed, like, well, Putin was asked about it.

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This time there was none of that at all.

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I mean, there was the traditional

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flood of lies, the same things repeated

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over and over that he's said many times before, and there was

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nothing even to latch onto—no

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funny trash, no

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new insults, no new gimmicks, no memes,

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nothing at all. I don't know—when a man has been

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in power for twenty years, he can no longer produce

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any improvement—neither improvement

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in people's lives nor in the quality of the country itself.

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But he used to at least produce

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some side effect of interest; now even that is gone.

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Just emptiness—an absolutely empty

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press conference. And I don't think that's

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just my opinion. From what I saw,

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journalists discussing it also found nothing

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particularly interesting. Traditionally,

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the same Ukrainian journalist

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asked a sharp question about Ukraine, and Putin

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basically told him, 'You're all idiots.'

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There was a question about Lev Ponomaryov (a Russian human rights activist),

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and he said, 'Serves him right, he's in jail because he called

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for rallies.' But even that lacked any real

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harshness.

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There was nothing like, 'Saakashvili is running around the streets'

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or anything of that sort.

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In that sense, he wasn't even trying to act tough,

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or play the hard man.

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Of course, that was connected to the fact that

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there really weren't any proper questions.

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We tried to ask one,

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and our wonderful Dmitry Nizovtsev

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got accredited, and the equally wonderful

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camera crew went there too. Let's

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watch a few seconds of Dima

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arriving there with questions and a placard.

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about the gold in Vo...

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Well, nothing worked out. One more thing:

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they approved our poster, and then they came up to us

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they approached us and said, "Unfold it, show us your

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poster." They looked at it closely, and the person wasn't

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even looking at our second poster.

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And then they went off to clarify something about us.

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This man here—

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Do you want to take the poster? Why are you

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taking it away without giving any explanation?

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There are plenty of posters here, and you're

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taking mine specifically.

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You know perfectly well that these posters

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are a genre of their own. You have to

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write something eye-catching to attract

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attention, so Putin looks over and maybe suddenly

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gives you a chance to ask a question.

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The funniest poster this time

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had a half-naked Putin on it

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from that famous photo shoot in Khakassia (a Russian republic in Siberia), and it

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said: "Putin, what a pike—just my type,"

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I think. A journalist from Khakassia, apparently,

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was holding that poster, but she wasn't given the chance

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to ask a question.

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As for Nizovtsev, he had planned

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to ask about the gold in Vo... Well, we don't really...

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It's not that we thought we had somehow fooled anyone high up;

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we knew perfectly well that Nizovtsev hadn't fooled the system.

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He had been arrested live on air

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and jailed before, so of course we

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knew he was on all the relevant lists,

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which is exactly why they let him in.

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But very pointedly, they confiscated posters only from him—

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the only person at the entire

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press conference.

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They took his posters, and then of course they didn't

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give him a chance to ask a question. And by the way,

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I should note that Roman

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Dobrokhotov, a journalist from *The Insider*,

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wasn't allowed in at all to the

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press conference.

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So Roma ended up being treated like a journalistic outcast.

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There were several moments in this

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press conference that, well,

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personally for me,

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stirred up some emotions.

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So I just want

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to share with you, I guess, my

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feelings—my outrage, first and foremost.

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First of all, it's the question about

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the bridge over the Lena River. Even if it

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seems like some minor issue to you,

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it's actually very important. Let's

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take a look—here's a brief background.

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To explain the situation: the city of

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Yakutsk

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is the largest city in Russia

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—a major city with a population of 311,000—

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that is not connected

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by rail. In fact, you can't get there

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by regular rail or road transport at all,

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and during the period when

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the river is freezing or thawing,

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you can't get there at all.

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There are hovercraft and

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various boats, but in any case it's a major

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problem.

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A longstanding problem. And then a journalist from

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Yakutia asks Putin: "Could a bridge across

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the Lena River become a symbol of developing

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the Asian part of the territory of the Russian

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Federation?

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I'd like to ask: should we expect this bridge,

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and if so, when? Because

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we really need it. Thank you."

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"A symbol is always good. It's always

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some kind of completed stage

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of work and an opportunity for further

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movement forward. In that sense, the Crimean

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Bridge is both. I agree with you: it is both

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a symbol of Crimea's reunification with Russia

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and an opportunity for the development of

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the peninsula.

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"Precisely the opportunities for development—those are

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very important. But the same applies

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to the bridge over the Lena River. You said it

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should be tied to development—well, that

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needs to be calculated precisely."

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The man has been in power for almost 20 years, and he's asked

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a question about a bridge over the Lena, and he goes on at length

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about Crimea and then says, "We need to

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calculate it." Dude, then calculate it!

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You've been sitting in power for 20 years and

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you're acting like, "Well yes, we need to run the numbers."

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Let's look at what Putin was saying

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two years earlier with the governor and

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—clip, 24 seconds.

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Yegor Borisov met in Moscow with

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Vladimir Putin. The head of the republic and

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the country's president discussed the construction

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of a bridge over the Lena. Borisov noted

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the need to include funding

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for the bridge crossing project in the draft

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federal targeted program for the development

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of Russia's transport system. The head of Yakutia

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explained that the bridge was among the key

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priority projects. It was a long report, and at the end of it

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—a long report—and at the end of it

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Putin says, "Well, in general, I

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support the construction of a bridge across

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the Lena River." Well, obviously—he had to

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support it. That's 300,000 people, about 30%

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of Yakutia's residents, and they are completely

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cut off. He supported it two years ago, and

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now, two years later, he says, yes,

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it needs to be calculated. And the point is that here we

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see from this example that Putin simply

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says things, but in the bigger picture

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he couldn't care less. Governors come to him

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and say, "Vladimir

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Vladimirovich, do you know how people over there

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have to get around? Let's take a look—here are

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35 seconds from 2014. A striking video of how

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our fellow citizens, in the 21st century,

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make their way to the city of Yakutsk, a major

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city, the capital of a federal subject (region).

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It’s freezing, there’s a huge crowd, and hovercraft are arriving

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to carry people across. A ticket costs 1,000

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rubles (about US$10–15), and people are storming these hovercraft. But that

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was several years ago, and before the program I just

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went and googled

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what the latest achievement was in the area of

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crossing the Lena River, and I found

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a report from November of this year. You can

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check it later—it’s still up on the

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official

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official Rossiya 24 channel. Let’s watch

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35 seconds of how wonderfully

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the crossing over the Lena is organized now.

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Just look at this.

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This is the latest video on the

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official channel of Russian

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state television. By the way, it’s called “A New Ice Crossing Has Been Established,”

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“A New Ice Crossing Has Been Established.”

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It’s not called “Total Trash, Horror, and

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Nightmare in Yakutia.” It’s called “A New

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Crossing Has Been Established.” So, the point is,

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everyone clearly knows about this problem.

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It’s Yakutia’s main problem. This

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bridge has been discussed an endless number of

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times, and the governor comes to him and

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says, “Come on, let’s finally build the bridge.

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After all, we have diamonds and gold here,

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we seem to contribute something—maybe we could

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get a bridge built somehow?”

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So that in winter we don’t have to

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cross through water and all that.” And it’s always, “Yes, yes, yes,

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I support it,” and then it just vanishes

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from his mind, as if

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nothing happened. And then two years later

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they ask him again about the bridge to Yakutsk,

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and he says, “Well, we probably need to calculate it.”

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You’ve got the Construction Ministry, headed by Mutko,

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you’ve got a bunch of officials,

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builders—you hand out a hundred medals a month

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to some “honored builder” or other.

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You’ve got design institutes, you’ve got the Rotenbergs (powerful Russian businessmen close to the Kremlin),

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who love building bridges. Do the math. No—

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well, because, basically, because they just

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don’t want to. Because: to hell with you.

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That’s why. That’s Vladimir Putin’s answer.

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And this whole situation with the bridge over the Lena

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really perfectly shows

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that they proceed from the assumption that,

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basically, the general public couldn’t care

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less. They don’t know anything, and only

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some especially curious people will go online

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and look up what the problem is with

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this bridge and with Yakutia. And to hell with them.

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In two years everyone’s forgotten, so we’ll just

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say some things during the live

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call-in show, at this press conference, on the live line—

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but it doesn’t mean anything. It

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costs nothing. It has absolutely no

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significance whatsoever, because it has nothing

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to do with real life. And that’s it—his whole

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answer is just

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endless bullshit.

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He had this phrase there,

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“positive trends everywhere.”

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Positive trends? He’s been sitting there for 20 years and hasn’t

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done a damn thing. He lost all the oil money

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and says we have positive

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trends. There was also this great

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line: “Well, we had an economic

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crisis, and we were forced to spend our

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oil money to support the population.”

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Forced to—as if some unfortunate thing happened,

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some unpleasant accident. There was oil money,

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and of course they would’ve liked to keep it for themselves, but

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instead they were forced to spend it on

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supporting the population.

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I also really liked the moment about

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Brilev. I was wondering whether they’d let Brilev in

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to this press conference, because after all

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we proved that he’s a British citizen,

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a British subject, and he confirmed it all, so

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it seemed a bit strange.

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And they endlessly milk patriotism,

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endlessly going on again about how

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Britain is the enemy. Putin clearly

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said that the Skripal case

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is being used by Britain to attack Russia—that is,

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Britain is carrying out an attack on Russia. And so,

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who gets to question Putin? A British citizen,

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Brilev, at this press conference. 39

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seconds.

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And in this connection, I can’t help but pass on

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my heartfelt thanks for being allowed to ask, and in this

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connection I can’t help asking you about

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the current state of affairs in

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Russian-British relations.

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Let’s start boldly, as it were. After

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the G20 summit, Theresa May said she didn’t know

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whether she had met with you or not, but you

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did meet with her after all. How do you

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assess these relations? And another

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interesting question: do you see how

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Brexit might affect Russia? Will it

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affect it? Thank you.

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As for meetings—at events like

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the G20, there are very

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many meetings; you can’t even list them all.

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That’s just how it is.

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So it’s this kind of schizophrenia: up stands a

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British journalist

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representing Russian television and asks

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this kind of question—like, who exactly are you

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talking to? A British journalist

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is asking a question about Britain. But the best part

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didn’t even happen at the

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press conference. The best part

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happened on Twitter. Anyone who isn’t following it

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should, because they’re basically

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trolling us with this Brilev thing.

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And it became clear that they invited him

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and decided to have a laugh at all of us, because

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what you’re seeing right now, here

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in this photo, is the official

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Twitter account of the President of Russia, which immediately

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after Brilev’s question—well, everyone there started...

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Naturally, they laugh — ha-ha, Brilev.

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He asks about Britain — ha-ha-ha, right?

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It’s just that the president of Russia

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puts up a photo of Brilev, like,

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and as if to say, “So what? You decided again — why don’t you go to hell,”

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to hell. That’s why the response from these

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wonderful people was to laugh at us.

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But considering Peskov, all the children

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are foreign citizens; Putin’s children are there too,

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his daughter lives — or used to live — there, lives in

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the Netherlands; it’s generally unclear what’s going on with

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them. They all have these strange

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citizenships.

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So that’s how they sneer at us.

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They show Brilev, and they must have discussed it among

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themselves, like, “Let’s make a little joke — they’ll

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all go crazy over there.”

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They came up with it: “We’ll give him the floor, and he’ll

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ask a question about Britain, and then we’ll also

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slam it onto Twitter afterward.” I mean,

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it’s a kind of trolling art. Another important

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point, and no jokes now, is the

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statistics that were announced in

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support of the claim that life in Russia

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is very good, and that every year life gets

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better. If it seems to you that you go

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to the store and your salary is enough for fewer and

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fewer products,

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well, then something must be wrong with you. But in

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reality, everything is very good. Putin usually

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dumps a huge amount of statistics on

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this subject. Let’s show you this strange heap of

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all of it now — all of this,

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numbers, numbers, numbers, for ten this, several that.

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Then for the first time...

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17 percent, the forecast for global development

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for 2018.

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Industrial production grew at a more

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rapid pace.

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Compared with last year, when it was 2.1

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percent, for January through October of the current year, yes.

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Let’s say 2.9 by the end of the year, while these

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percentages in manufacturing industries

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are growing even faster — by 3.2 percent.

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For... well, never mind.

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Investment in fixed capital amounted to 4

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point-something percent, and retail turnover

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and market trade volume were up 2.6

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percent. I can’t make my way through this anymore.

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This demand is, of course, noticeable; it is

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a positive factor. After a long

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break, a slight

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but still positive trend has been recorded.

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In real terms, Russians’...

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According to the latest data, the population’s

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will amount to... You see, the guy has

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a special sheet of paper on which it says

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there is proof that we have started living

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better, and he just reads out these numbers,

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talks and talks and talks, while everyone sits there and

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understands that these numbers mean

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nothing. Well, because — not only that —

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Vladimir Milov spoke about this in great detail.

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Vladimir Milov, who commented on this

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press conference, seemed to me to have

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commented on it very well in his program.

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He talked about it there. The thing is that

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Putin’s numbers are official lies. This

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isn’t our assumption that he’s just

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making it all up — it is officially

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a lie. In particular, even Russian

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statistical agencies, which of course

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fudge the numbers, were recently forced to admit

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that, for example, in agriculture they

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had said that growth in agriculture

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was 30 percent, and then

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it turned out that all of it was simply

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a statistical error, and the figures were reduced

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severalfold. In other words, they simply

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crossed out, literally,

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tens of millions of tons of agricultural products

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that had been added on paper, and all these indicators

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had to be revised. The same

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situation applies to industrial production.

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He talks about GDP growth, industrial

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production.

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And the Gaidar Institute, which works for

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the government and is actually a fairly loyal

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establishment organization,

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also officially says that all of this

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is manipulation of statistics. They take

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the official figures, and even with those

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there is cheating. You can verify them — it’s all

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lies. And in the end Putin really

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said the main thing: after a long

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break, real

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disposable incomes of the population

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have increased. Translated into plain language, that means

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that your salary really has gone up —

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not just nominally, but so that, taking

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inflation into account, you can buy more things

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than before. And at that moment,

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naturally, the whole country says, “What?”

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“Come on now, uh-huh, enough with the

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fairy tales.” And they really are fairy tales, because

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he said they had grown a little,

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but even

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official statistics already refute that and

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say that real disposable incomes

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actually decreased by 0

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point one — one tenth

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of a percent. So even officially

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we have been getting poorer for the fifth year in a row. Our wages,

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our ability to buy things,

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is declining when inflation is taken into account, and that inflation

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is nowhere near

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the official 4 percent. Everyone has been getting poorer

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quite significantly. And there sits a man

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telling and telling and telling

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all these endless lies about

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statistics. The last thing that seemed really

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important to me — and I’ll end on

23:27

this point about Putin’s press conference —

23:29

was a journalist from Primorye (Russia’s Far East region).

23:32

He really put on a master class there

23:34

in regional bootlicking. Basically, he

23:36

sort of presented Putin with a complaint

23:38

about the pension reform, in a long, long, long-winded way.

23:41

Putin was speaking, but at the end of each...

23:44

he offered New Year greetings and said...

23:46

perhaps as the key point, so to speak, in

23:50

this press conference. Let's take 39 seconds.

23:52

A journalist from Primorye (Russia's Pacific coastal region) congratulated

23:57

him on the New Year after all and wished him

24:00

strength, creative success, and all the rest, and

24:04

finally, the very last thing I want

24:06

to say. Guys, here Mr. Pin...

24:09

you see, said that thousands

24:11

come in there, but only

24:12

this information came through. Guys, I want to

24:14

I really want, bypassing all my own

24:18

requests that journalists want to

24:19

snatch.

24:20

I want to voice the most important

24:22

question: Vladimir Vladimirovich, please help.

24:24

There is

24:25

Vladislav Shestakov, three years old, he is ill.

24:27

From the Irkutsk region, from Cheremkhovo.

24:29

He simply needs to be transferred to Moscow

24:32

People have raised the money.

24:33

Please help with that.

24:35

And I have a question for this journalist from Primorye

24:39

and to all the other

24:41

journalists, and really to everyone:

24:43

good Lord, do you really not have enough sense

24:45

to understand the elementary connection between

24:49

the fact that he has been sitting there for 20 years, and you still

24:52

fawn over him: 'Happy New Year, I wish you'

24:54

health, happiness, and another 30 years

24:57

in power.' And by the way, here, before

24:59

the whole country at this press conference,

25:01

the only possible way to help

25:04

Vladislav Shestakov from Irkutsk

25:07

is to ask you, the president of the country,

25:10

to bring him to Moscow. There is no other

25:13

way. And Vlad Shestakov—I don't know,

25:17

if things get worse for him there or if something

25:19

bad happens to him while we, in this

25:22

manual mode, before the eyes of the whole country, are

25:26

already collecting money for him—then we will have to admit that

25:28

free healthcare simply does not work.

25:31

If in the Irkutsk region

25:33

money was raised for Vladislav Shestakov, but

25:35

it still wasn't enough, you see, even for a ticket—he needs

25:37

to be transferred to Moscow to undergo

25:38

surgery—well, please understand

25:41

this simple connection, for heaven's sake:

25:43

Vladislav Shestakov cannot receive

25:46

treatment in the Irkutsk region,

25:50

which is, after all, an industrially developed and wealthy

25:53

region, because Putin is in power,

25:55

because he destroyed

25:58

healthcare, because together with

26:00

his friends and relatives he stole

26:03

the money with which Vladislav Shestakov

26:07

at three years old should officially

26:11

and free of charge be treated first in the Irkutsk

26:14

region, and then, if that was not possible,

26:16

he should have been transferred

26:18

to Moscow at the expense of the insurance system,

26:21

from public budgets, because his mom and

26:23

dad

26:25

Vladislav Shestakov's parents work and pay

26:28

taxes, and in any case they are entitled to

26:31

some share of the oil pumped out of

26:35

the ground; they are entitled to some share

26:38

of the hydropower—that is, those very

26:40

Siberian rivers that in the Irkutsk

26:42

region

26:43

generate enormous amounts of

26:45

electricity—they belong, among others, to

26:47

Vladislav Shestakov's mother and father too, but

26:49

for some reason they get nothing, while everything

26:52

goes to our collective wonderful

26:54

Timchenkos and Rotenbergs. And well, did you see

26:58

Putin's face when he was asked that question?

27:00

Of course he did not like that whole

27:02

topic; obviously he did not like it. But

27:06

that is in fact the quintessence

27:09

of this entire system. And that gives me a nice

27:13

good

27:14

bridge to our next topic: the main thing

27:17

that happened this week was precisely in

27:19

Primorye, where that journalist came from, though

27:21

who

27:21

who was probably driven by

27:24

some noble idea that

27:26

this three-year-old Shestakov needed help.

27:29

He came from Primorye, and in Primorye

27:32

there occurred

27:34

remarkable things that explain, among

27:37

other things, why there was no money in

27:38

Primorye. In fact, many people

27:40

are disappointed and write to me: in your last

27:42

program you urged everyone to

27:44

vote against Kozhemyako, but he won in the first

27:46

round. But no—in Primorye everything

27:48

turned out great, because on the one

27:50

hand, this acting

27:53

governor Oleg Kozhemyako

27:55

did win in the first round, but we already have

27:58

a huge amount of evidence now,

28:02

including mathematical proof, that in fact he

28:03

lost the first round. So this cannot

28:08

be called a victory, because although

28:11

he became governor, nevertheless we

28:14

saw that Putin and Kozhemyako

28:19

and United Russia suffered a defeat in Primorye,

28:22

because they had built

28:25

a setup in which they removed all

28:27

the candidates, and Oleg Kozhemyako ran

28:29

an 'opposition' campaign; absolutely all the media

28:34

were pushing for him. I saw ads—

28:36

Odnoklassniki (a Russian social network) was running his ads, those very

28:38

same Odnoklassniki that, for example, always tells us

28:40

'political advertising? No,'

28:42

'no, it's prohibited on our platform.'

28:44

And yet there they were flooding it with

28:47

ads for Kozhemyako. Nevertheless,

28:49

people in Primorye came to the polls

28:53

and despite the fact that all the other

28:55

candidates were basically spoilers imposed from above, and

28:57

the LDPR candidate who came second had, in the previous

29:00

recent election, supported

29:02

the United Russia candidate, the people of Primorye came and said: no,

29:07

this Kozhemyako will not win in the first round.

29:09

and most of them voted

29:10

against him, and Putin had to rig the count

29:14

and in Primorye (a region in Russia’s Far East), you can clearly see that ballot stuffing took place

29:16

and in Gorny, you can already clearly see where

29:19

they stuffed ballots, how they did it, and at which

29:22

polling stations. Just look at this table

29:24

you can see it plainly: they were evening out

29:28

the percentages for different candidates, not just

29:31

for Kozhemyako

29:31

the probability that our

29:34

result would randomly come out with figures like that

29:36

is something like one in a trillion

29:39

quite a lot has already been written on this subject

29:42

there is not the slightest doubt, so once again I’m returning

29:45

to the topic I already raised

29:50

about our Smart Voting, and I’m going to

29:51

talk about it a lot, a lot. This is another example

29:54

of why it works, and an explanation of why

29:56

they blocked our Smart Voting

30:00

they blocked it, blocked it because by now

30:03

United Russia candidates can no longer win

30:06

well, here they did, yes, of course

30:09

falsify the results. He got 46, and they

30:11

stuffed roughly 170,000 votes in there

30:13

to boost his total, but even so

30:16

this still has to be done manually, and it is extremely

30:18

difficult to do for all districts, for all

30:21

elections. In Moscow, there will be elections to the

30:24

Moscow City Duma, and there will be 45 single-member

30:27

districts. In fact, that’s not very many

30:29

people needed

30:30

if we all simultaneously and in a coordinated way

30:35

vote, if we agree on whom

30:37

to vote for in order to defeat United Russia candidates

30:40

we will deprive them of their majority, and in other

30:42

cities and regions where elections are held, we

30:44

can deprive them of their majority. That’s why they

30:46

got so scared. So, friends,

30:48

be sure to take part in Smart

30:51

Voting — register

30:53

If it is blocked, we will find a technical

30:55

solution, but for now use a VPN

30:57

register, because they are already

30:59

look, they have several

31:02

factors on their side: Putin’s support

31:03

guarantees victory for them

31:05

administrative resources, lots of advertising, and so on

31:09

and so on, all of it. And none of these factors

31:11

will work — only through falsification

31:13

only through falsification can they

31:16

win. So the situation is really

31:19

shaking the authorities, and that is very

31:22

important. Well then, since I’ve already started talking

31:25

about this

31:26

I’ll say a few words about how

31:28

they blocked it, because this concerns not only

31:30

us, but everyone

31:33

with websites on the internet, because we saw

31:36

that the state has declared a major war

31:40

on the internet. It consists in the fact that they

31:45

really are going to block everything

31:48

completely arbitrarily. They told us

31:50

that we had personal data on

31:52

the website, and we simply took that personal

31:54

data and removed it all. When we went to court, in

31:57

court Roskomnadzor (Russia’s media and internet regulator) said, you know,

31:58

they have Google Analytics trackers on their websites

32:01

and Yandex.Metrica, and that too

32:03

is the collection of personal data, and all of it is stored on

32:05

servers in California, therefore

32:07

it should be blocked — and it was blocked

32:10

but the thing is that afterward several

32:12

people — there’s this wonderful guy

32:14

Alexander Litrifonov — it hadn’t even occurred to me

32:17

I wrote a post: guys, the same thing is also

32:19

on all their websites. How can they

32:20

block ours? He simply went onto the website

32:23

of United Russia, and there were the same trackers there

32:26

then onto Roskomnadzor’s own website

32:28

and there were the same trackers there too

32:30

he had already filed several complaints: come on then

32:31

now block them too, if Navalny’s

32:33

was blocked on these same grounds. But

32:35

today Putin, at a press conference,

32:36

also spoke about this, and he was

32:40

asked whether it was really necessary to

32:41

punish people so harshly for posts and so

32:44

on. He answered differently than before

32:47

because previously he would answer along the lines of

32:49

well yes, these are excesses by local officials

32:51

probably, freedom of opinion is necessary, it should exist

32:54

but this time he said

32:55

roughly the following, more or less quoting accurately

32:57

if the law is being broken, it is the same everywhere

33:00

what difference does it make where they

33:02

break the law — on the street or on the internet

33:06

it’s the same thing. To tweet, or out on the street

33:09

someone stabbed someone with a knife

33:10

or on the internet someone clicked like or made a post

33:13

wrote something bad about, say, the authorities

33:15

saying they are bad — that too is a criminal act

33:19

so even from this change in rhetoric

33:22

we can see that

33:25

there is going to be a major offensive, and we will

33:28

certainly survive it. And one of the reasons why it is necessary

33:31

to take part in voting is that if they are

33:33

attacking the internet, then the internet should

33:35

also

33:35

strike back. We’ll talk more about the internet today

33:38

but for now let’s talk about

33:40

clones; before we get to the clowns and the circus

33:43

let me answer a few questions

33:46

so, Andrei is asking me precisely about

33:48

this. The elections in Primorye clearly

33:50

showed that this government will not hand over even a piece

33:52

of power honestly, especially since for them all of this

33:54

is a matter of survival. Without a fight, no, they will not

33:56

give it up. Well of course, yes, Andrei, they will not

33:59

give it up without a fight, but it would be naive

34:01

to assume that these people would give up

34:04

not only power, but also the

34:07

hundreds of billions of rubles attached to it — tens of

34:10

billions of dollars. But there will be a fight, and

34:13

we need to give them that fight. It consists of

34:16

a multifront offensive. I’m not

34:18

saying that only participation

34:20

in elections and Smart Voting alone will bring them down

34:23

no, it has to be a combination of different things

34:25

One element is fighting them at

34:28

the elections through Smart Voting.

34:29

Because no other form of participation in

34:31

elections works anymore—rallies,

34:34

spreading information—well, in other words,

34:36

these are complex things, and this is a fight

34:38

that we will put up,

34:40

and a fight that they will sooner or later

34:42

lose. From that press conference, it was

34:44

clear that, well, they have nothing left to say.

34:46

They will lose, and all you need to do is

34:47

get involved. People very often tell me,

34:49

“Why are you pushing voting on us? Let’s

34:52

do something else.” But honestly,

34:54

guys, taking part in Smart

34:56

Voting takes one day a year—you’re not

34:59

exactly overworking yourselves.

35:00

If, on top of that, in addition

35:03

to some other action, you also

35:05

take part in Smart Voting, then

35:06

please do participate. Vladimir

35:08

asks what will happen if Russia

35:10

abandons the dollar. That will not happen.

35:11

No one is going to abandon the dollar, even

35:14

in Soviet times dollars circulated here

35:17

in limited quantities, and

35:19

even if he said so today, it is simply

35:20

impossible. Russia is now so tightly connected to

35:23

the international system that it is impossible

35:25

to abandon the dollar, and it will not

35:27

be abandoned—first and foremost, Russia’s Finance Ministry

35:30

and the state banks will not abandon it. In fact,

35:33

Putin himself and his friends do not keep anything in rubles.

35:35

Do you think their money is held in rubles? Well,

35:36

of course not. They will not abandon the dollar; that is not

35:39

going to happen. Next.

35:42

Adalin asks me: greetings.

35:45

Do you condemn participation in the HRC

35:47

—meaning the Human Rights Council?

35:49

Obviously, the discussion is about whether some people

35:51

joined Putin’s Human Rights Council

35:53

and whether we should shame and attack them.

35:55

No, we should neither shame nor attack them. It’s not

35:58

that I condemn it—well, except for the truly disgusting

36:00

crooks who are there. Yes, I condemn them, but

36:03

I condemned them before this too. That is, I

36:05

condemn them because they are disgusting crooks.

36:06

Some people, like Ekaterina Shulman,

36:09

decent people, joined it, and I do not condemn that.

36:12

It is probably useless, and joining

36:14

will of course change nothing there; they

36:18

will help no one, everyone will feel awkward, they

36:20

will talk about small deeds—well, okay.

36:22

They will not do any particular harm either—well, one could

36:25

say the harm is that it legitimizes the

36:27

system.

36:28

But really, on the whole, nothing especially

36:31

terrible will happen. They joined the council—so what?

36:34

Pavel Chikov, I think, is still

36:36

there. He’s a great guy; he

36:38

really does a lot of legal work

36:41

together with his wonderful

36:44

organization Agora. He’s at least doing something.

36:46

Is there any benefit from it?

36:48

Zero. Well, he does it, and he does it—fine.

36:52

We just should not spend too much time

36:55

on this. That is, there is no need

36:57

to single them out for criticism,

36:58

but there is also absolutely no reason

37:00

to praise them for these

37:03

appointments. So, Unicorn Geralt—well,

37:05

of course, when we have a question

37:07

from someone with the nickname

37:10

Unicorn Geralt, we should soon make

37:13

a unicorn the logo of our program.

37:15

Geralt, it is entirely logical to assume that

37:17

the authorities will try as much as possible

37:19

to restrict freedom of speech on the internet, and

37:21

what will we do then? Unicorn—well,

37:24

come on, of course the authorities will try

37:26

to restrict freedom of speech on the internet. Haven’t I

37:28

been telling you this for the tenth

37:31

program in a row about blocked

37:32

websites? They will keep restricting it all. What will we

37:35

do? Well, we will keep working. We

37:37

will use VPNs, we will install things, we

37:40

will use other

37:42

methods. Where did this program come from?

37:44

This program

37:46

came from the fact that they block websites on

37:48

the internet, and we decided simply to make

37:52

a program like this on YouTube because

37:55

for now YouTube is hard to block.

37:57

They can block all of YouTube,

37:59

but my channel specifically

38:00

they cannot block yet. So that is what

38:03

we will do, dear Unicorn—we will

38:05

keep inventing

38:06

different things. We will send each other

38:08

videos and notes in messengers.

38:11

Still, about the circus and the clowns—that

38:16

was a very important topic last

38:19

week.

38:22

Putin has not only a Human Rights Council,

38:23

which we discussed today, but also some kind of

38:25

council—I do not even know how to describe it—of

38:26

theater figures, artists, and other

38:28

rather pointless people

38:30

whose main activity is that once a year

38:34

they gather and, again, fawn over Putin,

38:37

bow to him obsequiously, and

38:39

beg for money for their theater or

38:44

for themselves personally—well, for their organization.

38:47

They will, of course, steal most of that money,

38:49

and no one will do anything about it

38:51

because they go there begging

38:53

and flattering Putin and all that. And it was

38:57

important—the key moment there was the move

39:02

made by the famous—I do not even

39:05

know how to put it correctly—

39:08

our famous director Edgard Zapashny (a well-known Russian circus performer and animal trainer),

39:11

who

39:12

told Putin—and Putin even agreed—that

39:15

we should basically start clearing out

39:18

foreign circuses so that our

39:20

plain old Russian circus can develop. This

39:23

matters because it concerns not only the circus.

39:24

Let’s watch a few seconds of it.

39:27

It takes 1 minute and 4 seconds.

39:29

Forgive me for criticizing my

39:34

Canadian colleagues—someone might see in this

39:35

a fight for market share, or sense

39:38

that. Absolutely not. Mr. Gutseriev

39:41

announced that in 2019, Skolkovo (a Moscow innovation hub)

39:45

would open a permanent venue

39:48

for a Canadian circus.

39:50

I believe this is unacceptable. I believe

39:53

it is wrong. No one is stopping them

39:55

from coming here on temporary tours.

39:56

They have already been coming here for more than ten years,

40:00

coming here regularly.

40:00

But this will definitely have a negative impact, and not

40:03

only on the Russian circus industry, but on

40:05

Russian sports as well. And here we are,

40:07

at a time when Canada is very actively

40:10

imposing sanctions against us, and

40:12

suddenly, for some reason, we become

40:13

welcoming to Cirque du Soleil from that country

40:16

on a permanent basis. Which is exactly what

40:18

Andrei Sergeich was talking about: this is, in essence,

40:21

a fight for the market. That is true, and

40:23

to throw the gates wide open like that—well,

40:27

I don't know. Of course, the audience wants

40:30

to see it, but I am most likely on your

40:33

side.

40:34

You know, it gives the impression that everything in

40:37

Russia exists for Eduard Zapashny

40:39

and to fill his circus with spectators.

40:43

Because, I don't know, apparently people are not going

40:46

to his circus if he is so afraid of

40:48

competition. As you know, I am a rather

40:50

simple-minded person, so I immediately

40:51

go and look at the declaration, yes, and there, respected sir,

40:55

sure, he may train his

40:57

tigers brilliantly, do whatever he does with them, and risk

41:00

having them bite his leg off, and tell them,

41:02

"And the tigers sat at my feet and looked into my eyes,"

41:04

and all that—but I look it up and

41:07

see that Eduard Zapashny receives from

41:09

the state budget, as a director, 10 million rubles

41:12

a year. Well, perhaps someone

41:16

that famous should perhaps be paid even more,

41:18

but still, man, that's 10

41:21

million rubles a year (about 100,000 USD). We're already

41:23

paying you, you already have a circus—leave us

41:26

alone. Let that Canadian

41:29

circus come, or a Chinese circus, or whatever circus

41:31

wants to come and build a venue. And can I

41:34

then choose for myself whether to go to Zapashny's

41:38

circus

41:38

or Cirque du Soleil? I went once in my life

41:41

to

41:43

[music]

41:44

a Cirque du Soleil performance, and it really

41:48

was impressive. Probably one of the

41:52

reasons I brought it up is because

41:53

it stuck with me—I had been to Cirque

41:55

du Soleil, and it was really something, really very cool.

41:59

Again, I am not trying to say that

42:02

our circus performers are somehow bad or don't do anything,

42:05

but we are in favor of competition, after all.

42:09

We are for the visitors, for these

42:12

children—let them choose. If they like

42:14

going to the circus, they can first go to Cirque

42:16

du Soleil,

42:17

and then go to Zapashny's, or

42:19

vice versa. But here there is simply an

42:21

element

42:22

not of competition, as they discuss with Putin,

42:25

but rather an element of some kind of

42:27

cult of personality: yes, we are supposed to gear the whole country

42:30

toward making sure Zapashny does his dangerous

42:33

thing with tigers—not even mentioning

42:34

that there is a separate question of whether we even need

42:38

circuses with animals at all.

42:41

There are many videos on YouTube on this

42:43

topic, and they are all quite unpleasant. I am not

42:46

going to show them to you—you already

42:48

know how animals are trained, what kind of

42:51

cages they live in, and what happens to them

42:55

in the circus. It is, well, a whole series

43:02

of horrific torture and sadism to which

43:05

these unfortunate animals are subjected

43:07

so that they will jump somewhere in the proper

43:09

way,

43:10

or give a paw, or juggle

43:12

something, or so that a bear rides a bicycle.

43:14

If you do not beat that bear

43:16

in the kidneys with an iron rod, it will not

43:19

ride a bicycle. And the thing is that

43:21

children's joy

43:23

is built precisely in this way:

43:25

the animals are terrorized, they ride

43:27

bicycles, someone applauds, Eduard Zapashny

43:29

gets 10 million rubles. I am not sure

43:32

that this is the right state of affairs in

43:34

Russia right now. Finally, I congratulate you all:

43:36

after 10 years of lengthy discussions, we

43:40

have passed—thank God—a law

43:42

on cruelty to animals.

43:45

It is called the law on responsible treatment of

43:47

animals. Well, they did ban petting

43:49

zoos, but by and large

43:51

ordinary zoos should also, of course, be

43:55

banned. Well, I mean—not zoos,

43:57

but these circuses, at least.

43:59

I assume that Mr. Zapashny

44:02

will watch my program and, in an angry

44:04

fit, write me a response

44:07

on Instagram or wherever, and say, "We do not

44:10

torment our tigers, we feed them

44:12

a portion of meat,"

44:12

Then install webcams there so that everyone

44:15

who wants to can see, or so that animal rights activists

44:19

can have unrestricted access at

44:23

any moment to the places where the

44:25

animals are kept, and at the times when these

44:28

training sessions

44:30

or drills or whatever take place, because

44:33

everything we have seen, including footage

44:36

from hidden cameras of animal training in

44:39

the circus, is a monstrous spectacle that,

44:43

once a person has seen it, they will never again

44:47

take joy in any circus with

44:49

animals. Therefore, before

44:52

Mr. Zapashny starts showing off like that,

44:55

So the idea is: let's just ban everything.

44:57

Let him first answer these important

45:00

questions—not only from animal rights activists, but also from

45:02

any normal person: are you training

45:04

your tigers, or are you torturing them? And

45:06

by the way, from there he goes on to

45:09

launch into a real flight of fancy.

45:13

And on this same subject he says,

45:16

"Why don't we open a branch of the Louvre, a branch of

45:19

La Scala here in Russia?" As if

45:21

that would be bad, and that it would destroy

45:23

the Hermitage. That it would reduce the number of people

45:26

who go to our theaters and our museums.

45:28

And then, quoting that logic: "Let's

45:31

slowly destroy everything that is ours

45:35

—everything Russian."

45:36

So he equated his tiger circus

45:40

and made it essentially identical,

45:43

forgive me, to everything Russian. As if everything Russian for us is

45:46

Eduard Zapashny, his tiger,

45:49

his 10 million rubles, and Vladimir Putin

45:52

who agrees with him. What the hell?

45:54

If in Moscow or St. Petersburg

45:56

a branch of the Louvre, La Scala, and

46:00

so on were to open, everyone would be happy—first and foremost,

46:03

I assure you, the visitors of

46:05

the Mariinsky or the Hermitage, and everyone else,

46:08

any cultured person. That would be

46:09

great if it opened. All, all

46:12

circus lovers would be delighted if

46:15

both the Zapashnys and Cirque

46:17

du Soleil and everyone else could coexist. But what we see is

46:22

that this mindset will always dominate.

46:25

Now there are certain people who have simply latched onto

46:28

the state budget—people like Nikita

46:29

Mikhalkov (the Russian filmmaker).

46:31

For them, the sign that you're a patriot and somehow

46:34

have special rights is that budget money

46:35

starts flowing to you. And immediately you

46:37

puff yourself up and say, "I am everything

46:39

Russian—don't you dare destroy me.

46:42

Support me." And this will keep going

46:44

further and further—you'll see, it will just

46:46

keep developing, developing, and developing.

46:49

I've received a lot of questions about

46:51

paid parking. It's such a

46:53

toxic topic: opponents of paid

46:55

parking all come running in and start arguing, and here

46:59

there really is something to discuss, because I believe

47:01

that by now we can already see

47:04

the final fiasco and failure of the entire

47:07

strategy of Moscow City Hall. All that nonsense about

47:09

how this is a modern city, and about paid

47:11

parking—

47:12

that it would somehow save something or

47:13

help with anything—because essentially

47:18

all of the Moscow government's measures to fight

47:20

traffic jams boiled down to paid parking.

47:24

We were told: look, people park

47:26

like idiots. That's true—people do park

47:28

everywhere, including on sidewalks.

47:30

That's true. They're idiots, they block parking and

47:33

park on sidewalks. Now we'll really hit

47:35

them in the wallet, and the situation will improve. But

47:37

they hit them—and then hit them again on top of that.

47:39

And they did it in such a way that, frankly, we ought

47:43

to hit back at them, excuse me. Even

47:46

if you're a supporter of paid

47:48

parking—I support paid parking

47:50

in general. In any normal

47:52

city in the world, downtown has paid

47:54

parking; you can't avoid restricting

47:57

cars in the center, and paid

47:59

parking should be used there. But if, before an election—you are

48:02

politicians, after all, officials—you declare

48:04

—look, on December 26 of last year,

48:06

Maxim Liksutov, our old favorite, about whom

48:09

we have done many

48:12

reports and investigations, and it has been shown

48:14

that he is a monstrous corrupt official, one of the

48:16

biggest corrupt figures

48:17

in the country—said that paid parking in 2018

48:21

would not become more expensive.

48:22

On August 1 of this year, he repeated

48:26

it, looking all of us in the eye before the

48:30

Moscow mayoral election. Everyone

48:32

was asking, because Sobyanin was running

48:33

his campaign, and he said:

48:35

"No tariff increase is planned in 2018.

48:38

Paid parking will not get more expensive." And then—bang—

48:41

it went up to 380 rubles.

48:47

Let's compare 380 rubles with other

48:48

cities.

48:49

And here we see the chart, and we see

48:52

that yes, London is even more expensive—but this is

48:55

when converted

48:57

into a single currency, into euros. In

49:01

London it's five and a half; Moscow is at

49:03

the level of Amsterdam, and more expensive than Paris,

49:05

more expensive than all the other European

49:08

cities, including expensive ones like

49:11

Luxembourg.

49:15

Well, okay.

49:16

Still, that number can't just

49:19

come out of nowhere. You can't just say,

49:21

"Let's make it a hundred thousand million billion."

49:23

Why not, then? There had to be some kind of

49:26

justification, assuming they didn't just pull

49:28

the number out of thin air. If what you really need is

49:31

to make sure cars simply don't

49:33

come there, then just ban parking

49:35

in those places—Neglinnaya Street, for example.

49:37

Ban parking there. But you won't do that,

49:39

because the Central Bank's cars are parked there,

49:42

the Prosecutor General's Office cars are parked there. They

49:44

don't care about any of that. Instead, on these small

49:48

sections where ordinary people can park,

49:49

they slap on 380 rubles—that's more expensive than anywhere else. Well,

49:52

come on, guys, you have to admit it's reasonable

49:54

to compare that with average salaries.

49:56

If the average salary in London is 340,000

50:00

rubles, and the average salary in

50:03

Amsterdam, where parking costs about the same as

50:05

in Moscow, is 280,000 rubles, while in

50:09

Moscow the average salary is 82,000 rubles

50:12

—and that's obviously a lie, too, because

50:15

the real average salary in Moscow is of course

50:16

lower. There has to be some kind of

50:19

Any sense of proportion at all—where are you even getting this from?

50:21

Who are these numbers even for, then?

50:23

There is such a city as Moscow—you just can't ignore it.

50:26

With these parking prices, what exactly were you trying to achieve?

50:27

To make it so that people would come there

50:31

only for a short time, or take the metro instead?

50:33

But instead, you're just setting a completely insane

50:35

price that basically no one can afford,

50:37

that no one can afford at all, and

50:40

most importantly, these measures haven't led to anything

50:43

at all.

50:44

We're looking at the latest international

50:48

study, which shows how much time

50:50

residents of each major city

50:54

spend in traffic jams, and we saw that

50:55

Moscow

50:56

is in first place by a fairly wide

51:00

margin. So it hasn't led to anything.

51:03

Your paid parking system—you can say all you want

51:05

that without paid parking

51:07

things would be worse, and maybe they would be worse, but

51:10

paid parking is just one element, one of

51:14

many things, and not the most important one when it comes to

51:16

fighting traffic. I'll give you a simple example

51:18

and just tell you what I think about it.

51:21

Here's another example I see all the time from

51:23

my window. I work at our Anti-Corruption Foundation

51:25

near Avtozavodskaya metro station.

51:27

We're based in an office center, and my window

51:30

in that office center looks directly out

51:33

onto a huge building under construction—some kind of

51:36

16-story building, pretty ugly,

51:40

a black rectangular block

51:42

that the hell knows why they built here—who even needs it

51:45

here? But I wasn't too lazy, so

51:48

because look—here you've got

51:50

the business center where we are, a shopping center,

51:53

residential buildings—everything here is packed with cars,

51:56

there's paid parking, there are already traffic jams,

51:58

and now they want this too. Avtozavodskaya isn't even the city center, and yet

52:00

they've started this. I go to the website of this

52:03

complex—it's a luxury development, and there

52:06

each apartment costs 160 million rubles (about US$1.7 million),

52:08

there are 232 apartments in total, and parking spaces

52:12

for only 80 cars. Come on, we're

52:16

reasonable people—we understand that in

52:17

a luxury building where each apartment costs

52:20

60 million rubles (about US$650,000), it's impossible not to realize

52:21

who is buying these apartments. In every

52:24

apartment there will be two cars, and more likely

52:26

three cars—and they're building only 80

52:29

parking spaces. They are simply

52:31

guaranteeing that around

52:34

this building there will be another 500 cars.

52:36

And then add the drivers, the deliveries,

52:39

the movers, all of that.

52:41

You can make parking there

52:45

700 rubles an hour, 800 rubles an hour

52:48

—whatever you want—it won't solve any

52:50

problem, because the real problem is

52:52

that the Moscow city government, Sobyanin (Moscow's mayor), and

52:56

his officials are still approving, for bribes,

52:59

the construction of gigantic

53:01

developments that attract traffic.

53:04

But you don't have to build a six-story building there—

53:06

build a four-story one, build five-story ones.

53:09

Instead, they keep putting up

53:11

shopping centers of unimaginable size,

53:13

office centers of unimaginable size,

53:16

and these buildings too—and there's another trick to it.

53:18

I go to the website, and they're selling

53:20

apartments—well, 'apartments'—then you open

53:23

the documentation and see that it's not actually a residential building.

53:26

I mean, it's an obvious scam.

53:29

You see, they just call it not an

53:30

apartment but 'apartments' because

53:33

they couldn't get it approved under the technical

53:35

requirements. So in essence, what we're seeing is a huge

53:37

illegal construction project where they're throwing up

53:39

their damn flats.

53:41

They call all of it 'apartments'; they just

53:43

carried suitcases of money to various

53:45

people and are condemning this little area around

53:49

Avtozavodskaya metro station

53:50

to decades of sharply worsening

53:54

traffic conditions. This

53:56

is happening everywhere. It happens

53:58

constantly. So as long as

54:00

the Moscow city government is filled with

54:02

bribe-takers, as long as crooks remain there who

54:05

approve the construction of these huge, unnecessary,

54:08

high-rise, ugly developments,

54:12

until that changes, there will be no

54:15

real, effective fight against

54:17

traffic jams. You can hire McKinsey,

54:19

someone from Amsterdam, I don't know, or any

54:21

other foreign consultants you like.

54:23

You can run whatever

54:27

super PR campaigns you want, telling everyone how

54:29

everything here

54:31

is great and fixed—it won't help as long as

54:34

the people sitting there keep taking bribes.

54:37

So once again: there will be elections in

54:40

September for the Moscow City Duma—let's make sure

54:42

United Russia loses, including over this

54:44

parking nonsense. Let's register

54:47

and vote out every single one of these

54:50

bastards who feed us lies

54:53

about fighting traffic jams while continuing

54:56

to build more buildings. Well, obviously

54:58

they're building a 16-story building because

55:01

you can make 20 million on it,

55:03

whereas on a four-story one you can make 2

55:05

million. So why make 2 million

55:07

if you can make 23 million,

55:09

take some of it to Sobyanin (Moscow's mayor) or

55:11

to some of his

55:12

people, and everything will work out for you.

55:14

And if there are traffic jams there—

55:16

who cares.

55:17

We all live abroad anyway, basically.

55:19

All neighbors of Sergey Brilyov (a Russian TV presenter) are in London.

55:21

That's it. That's how the system works. So

55:24

for all these things,

55:27

they need to be crushed. Let's talk—there isn't much

55:28

time left—about me, me...

55:30

the Russian-Ukrainian scandal, Katsyv and I

55:32

accidentally started it with one tweet, one...

55:34

I was just swarmed there by a huge wave of outrage,

55:36

by a huge number of Ukrainians, because

55:38

I wrote a tweet—well, I’ll show you what the tweet said.

55:40

It said: on Saturday, this happened—

55:42

today an event of historic

55:44

magnitude will take place: the council in Kyiv will complete the schism

55:47

and the creation of a national church in Ukraine; the Russian Orthodox Church

55:49

will lose up to half of its active parishes. Everything

55:51

that had been built over centuries was destroyed

55:53

by Putin and his idiots in four years.

55:55

Putin is an enemy of the Russian world (the idea of a shared Russian cultural sphere). That’s what it means.

56:00

Well, since I apparently didn’t explain it clearly enough,

56:03

to all the Ukrainians—

56:04

there were some, like we have here, [ __ ] there

56:06

and even more of them [ __ ], and they were

56:08

basically all going crazy,

56:09

saying, “What is this supposed to mean? They won’t let us

56:12

create our own church?” Of course,

56:17

it’s my fault—if nobody understood my tweet,

56:19

or rather, if everyone understood it that way, then I

56:21

must have phrased it badly. I’ll try

56:24

to develop my point, because in fact

56:25

this is important from the standpoint of Russian and

56:27

Ukrainian relations, and Russia’s

56:29

relations with other

56:31

countries in general. I absolutely believe that every

56:35

country has every right to create

56:37

whatever church it wants. It’s actually

56:41

ridiculous to think that Moscow could somehow

56:45

forbid Ukraine, or, I don’t know, Armenia

56:49

or Georgia,

56:50

from creating their own churches. That

56:53

is just as absurd as, basically, this

56:56

degenerate discussion on Russian

56:58

TV channels about whether Ukrainians even exist.

57:00

If there is such a thing as

57:01

a Ukrainian nation—open Russia’s census.

57:05

We have several thousand

57:08

elves and some number of dwarves listed there.

57:10

Nationality is self-identification.

57:12

If you want to be an elf, you’re an elf. If you want to be

57:15

a dwarf, you’re a dwarf. If you want to be Russian—what

57:17

exactly “Russian” means isn’t all that clear either.

57:19

In the 18th century, vast territories were

57:22

populated by Mordvins, Chud peoples, and so on,

57:25

and now everyone there is Russian.

57:26

Well, that’s how a nation works: it simply absorbs

57:29

people, and now that is called “Russian.” So

57:32

likewise now,

57:33

there is a huge territory where

57:35

tens of millions of people live, and they are Ukrainians.

57:37

They want a Ukrainian church—then let them have

57:39

their own Ukrainian church.

57:41

Register it however you want—it’s your

57:43

absolute right. What I was talking about was something else:

57:46

Putin keeps running around with this “Russian

57:49

world” idea.

57:50

He wanted the Russian Orthodox Church, among other things,

57:55

to serve as an instrument of influence,

57:57

a form of soft power. And generally speaking,

58:00

there’s nothing inherently wrong with that. Obviously, language,

58:03

cultural ties, including religious

58:06

ties, are a very powerful instrument of influence—

58:08

influence not in a negative sense, but

58:10

in a positive one as well.

58:12

It means we can be on the same wavelength with large groups of other

58:14

people, think similarly,

58:17

and reach agreements about things.

58:19

That helps.

58:20

And Putin is an enemy of the Russian world because he

58:23

destroyed all of that with his stupidity,

58:25

with his idiocy, with his war. All that

58:28

we got as a result of Putin’s

58:31

so-called brilliant geopolitics is a very

58:34

large, aggressive state that is negatively disposed toward us—

58:36

Ukraine, a huge country,

58:39

a huge state with a huge population,

58:40

which will now always vote

58:42

against us, will always get worked up,

58:45

go crazy, and jump on any tweet, and which

58:49

now, simply on principle, will

58:51

defend its own church and its own religion

58:53

in opposition to us. But

58:58

none of this belonged to Putin. This was

59:01

something people built

59:02

over hundreds of years. People paid with their lives; there were

59:08

major wars, there were—well, there was

59:10

suffering and torment, a whole history spanning

59:15

centuries, a history hundreds of years long,

59:17

all leading to the fact that, well,

59:20

within the Orthodox churches, we had

59:23

the largest Orthodox Church of all.

59:26

And now it’s gone. And now, because of Putin,

59:29

that blockhead, it’s over—this glorious

59:32

centuries-long history has ended. Because

59:35

the truth is that it

59:37

in Ukraine,

59:39

a larger share of the population lives in

59:41

rural areas, and accordingly there is a higher

59:44

level of everyday religiosity

59:46

among the population—people simply go to

59:47

church more often. That’s why I wrote that these

59:49

are “live” parishes. In Russia there are plenty of formal

59:52

parishes where nobody goes, where there are no parishioners,

59:54

but in Ukraine, in that sense,

59:56

the situation is different. And all of this is gone, all of this

59:59

we have lost. And it’s fairly hard for me to

1:00:01

blame

1:00:02

the Ukrainians, because for an Orthodox

1:00:04

person—I know many criticize me

1:00:06

for this, because they think it’s normal and that

1:00:08

a democratic politician should

1:00:10

necessarily be an atheist. I used to be

1:00:12

an atheist.

1:00:12

Now I am Orthodox, and I have

1:00:17

some kind of personal, including new,

1:00:19

religious, so to speak, crisis of some kind.

1:00:21

Because I don’t really believe—honestly,

1:00:23

I’ll tell you frankly—I don’t believe that the leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church

1:00:26

believe in God, judging by what they do.

1:00:29

I just can’t believe it. I see a board meeting of the

1:00:32

Ministry of Defense, and there sits Patriarch

1:00:35

Kirill—what are you doing there? There are so many

1:00:40

problems in the country. There’s that boy—what’s his name—

1:00:43

Vladislav Shestakov from Irkutsk,

1:00:46

who can’t get from Irkutsk to Moscow for

1:00:48

treatment. Please, deal with that

1:00:50

boy. No—instead, you have to sit at a ministry board meeting.

1:00:53

the Ministry of Defense, because here you’ve really got

1:00:54

some kind of shoulder boards under your cassock.

1:00:56

This is probably the first time I’ve spoken this harshly

1:00:59

about

1:01:01

the Russian Orthodox Church, but honestly there’s no other way. I talk

1:01:06

to many people there who

1:01:08

kind of correct me, someone like me,

1:01:09

a superficial Soviet-style Orthodox believer.

1:01:11

These are genuinely devout, church-going people, and they also

1:01:14

feel a great deal of irritation. But all

1:01:15

these stories about the watch—remember

1:01:19

that famous photograph, where right here on

1:01:20

the wrist there’s a watch,

1:01:21

or rather, the watch appeared in the reflection, even though it wasn’t actually there—

1:01:23

and then all this stuff with the Ministry of Defense,

1:01:26

this kind of super-aggressive

1:01:29

rhetoric, these statements—

1:01:33

well, this sort of super-... The Russian Orthodox Church has always

1:01:36

been tied to the state, of course, it has always

1:01:38

been connected to the state, it is

1:01:40

basically, well, effectively a ministry.

1:01:43

But damn it, there has to be some limit, because

1:01:46

then why the hell is the president of the country,

1:01:49

the president of a secular state,

1:01:51

—let’s watch 50 seconds of how he

1:01:54

so passionately answered a question about

1:01:56

this: the Ukrainian church was formed,

1:01:59

and the Ukrainian church is supposedly

1:02:01

a branch of Istanbul. Let’s

1:02:04

watch. Orthodoxy—what

1:02:07

is happening in Orthodoxy right now is

1:02:09

simply—

1:02:12

it’s beyond comprehension. It is direct interference

1:02:15

by the state in church and religious

1:02:18

life. Nothing like this has happened since

1:02:21

the days of the Soviet Union.

1:02:23

Unfortunately, in Ukraine right now

1:02:25

what’s happening is that they created this united

1:02:29

schismatic church of the Istanbul

1:02:34

parish. I like that—if there’s a Moscow parish,

1:02:39

then apparently there’ll be an Istanbul parish. I think

1:02:42

this was all planned out, and besides

1:02:43

that, of course, there were prompts from Washington.

1:02:47

So the Secretary called about this

1:02:49

issue in Kyiv and discussed the topic. But this

1:02:52

is absolutely outrageous.

1:02:55

An Istanbul parish, a prompt from

1:02:57

Washington—and already someone in the audience

1:02:58

is applauding: yes, yes, yes, well done, thank you. I’ve

1:03:02

said this many times, many times, and

1:03:04

I’ll repeat it, because it really drives

1:03:05

me up the wall as an Orthodox believer:

1:03:08

a KGB man

1:03:10

and Communist Party member has become our chief

1:03:13

Orthodox Christian and is now going to

1:03:15

teach all of us. He studied scientific atheism,

1:03:18

they went off together on student construction brigades (Soviet work camps),

1:03:22

and lived in a warehouse built from the remains of

1:03:26

blown-up churches, and told everyone

1:03:29

that religion was the opium of the people.

1:03:31

Listen, I myself, in the school library,

1:03:33

used to get little anti-religious booklets.

1:03:35

I would go to Ukraine, by the way, to visit my

1:03:37

grandmother, who was very religious, and I’d tell her

1:03:40

things like, “Look, Grandma, the Turin

1:03:41

Shroud—scientists have proved that it’s

1:03:43

a fake.”

1:03:45

And my grandmother would say... I used to pester her

1:03:47

with stories about how God doesn’t exist.

1:03:50

But it’s simply disgusting and revolting to me

1:03:54

that our leading Orthodox voices have become

1:03:57

these party functionaries, all these CPSU members,

1:04:01

the very people who blew up churches,

1:04:04

who destroyed priests,

1:04:06

who squeezed Orthodoxy out of public life—and now they

1:04:08

are going to teach us how to love our homeland

1:04:13

and how to believe in God. The last

1:04:14

topic I want to touch on concerns all of us,

1:04:17

and me in particular, because

1:04:19

this is also one of those bills

1:04:23

that obviously arose under the influence of

1:04:25

our activities—our rallies,

1:04:28

the investigations we publish.

1:04:30

This brings us back to the internet in Russia.

1:04:32

They are introducing deep packet

1:04:35

inspection of internet traffic, which will allow them

1:04:39

to analyze traffic and, in general,

1:04:40

block everything completely.

1:04:42

And they want to spend 20 billion rubles on this

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—that is, for those

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who don’t want to get into all the

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deep technical details,

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the idea is very simple. Right now, if they need

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to block my blog, they write to the providers:

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“Block navalny

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dot com.”

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But when they buy this equipment for 20

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billion—naturally, they’ll steal 11 billion of it;

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that’s one of the main purposes of

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this whole thing—they’ll do it

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differently. When you try to go to

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navalny.com, that site sends you

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a specific kind of traffic, like a fingerprint.

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They’ll be able to analyze

1:05:18

the traffic and see: oh, this guy went to

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navalny.com, even if you can’t see it directly.

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They’ll dig deep into your traffic,

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figure out that you went somewhere you weren’t supposed to,

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and they’ll block all of it. And 20

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billion, guys, 20 billion—

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one moment they’re telling Putin

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“Let’s get the boy treated,” and

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“let’s transport him to Moscow,” and the next

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moment it’s 20 billion. 20 billion is

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five annual budgets of the city of Pskov. Have you been to

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Pskov?

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It needs

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—like all other Russian cities, with the exception

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of Moscow. Our country is

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falling apart. That bridge over the Lena River

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the mayor talked about—for 20 billion rubles

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you probably can’t build the whole bridge,

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but still, surely you could at least

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provide some subsidies for those

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little ferries so people wouldn’t have to pay

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thousands of rubles, and so on and so forth.

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We have plenty of places where money could be invested, in that

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sense. Well, take the recent case...

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Valentina Matviyenko's exchange at the Federation Council (the upper house of Russia's parliament)

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She was discussing how, you know, we have

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a huge number of schools where the toilets

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are outside, and there isn't enough money. Let's

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try to deal with it by 2020. Putin—

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38 seconds from Valentina Matviyenko: We have

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only three regions where this problem

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has not yet been resolved. One region is the Republic of

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Buryatia, and they promised that by the new

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school year they will have no schools with

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cold toilets. But two regions, unfortunately,

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are still not managing to address

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the situation, and by the end of the year they will not have

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solved this problem. And of course, one school

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differs from another, and the cost of insulating

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a school toilet varies. But even so,

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this is not like building a spaceport.

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That's right, it's not a spaceport construction project.

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Buryatia was mentioned here.

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It's cold in Buryatia in winter. I can just

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imagine my own children, including a schoolchild,

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wanting to go to the toilet.

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He has to go outside in -25°C (-13°F) and walk to

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an outdoor toilet, which is obviously

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cold. Let's not even discuss what it

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looks like inside. And yet you spend 20

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billion rubles just to

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block my website and block

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videos and block various other

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information resources where Putin is criticized.

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That is exactly what's happening. All school toilets

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in Russia could be made

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heated, and toilets in all hospitals could be fixed.

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There would be no outdoor toilets in hospitals or in other

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institutions if we spent on this

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20 billion rubles. The same United Russia (the ruling political party),

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when discussing an increase in child benefits,

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tells us there is no money.

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Let's hear Tamara Pletnyova for 46 seconds.

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She explains that it would be nice, of course, but we do not have

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money for children in Russia. This bill

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is very complicated, although at first glance

1:08:24

it seems simple: let's just raise

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the payment.

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up to the age of three, and that's it. But when we looked at

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how much money this would require—two hundred

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thirty-six point eight

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billion rubles would be needed for all of this.

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And these are regional payments, at that.

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The idea is simply wonderful. I voted for it,

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you understand that.

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But the main issue is still

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the funds. That's why, as of today, they are not available,

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and

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the committee decided to reject this

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bill.

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You see, the idea is wonderful, but

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there's no money. Fine, say 200 billion is needed,

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but 10 percent of that amount—20

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billion—we are spending on something completely unclear,

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for what exactly. There are already blocks in place, Roskomnadzor (Russia's media and internet regulator)

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is already doing it, but apparently that's not enough.

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Let's spend another 20 billion. Just waste it

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on nothing. And in the Beautiful Russia of the Future

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all the people who voted for this and

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supported it, and who in one way or another will

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help allocate

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20 billion for internet blocking, we will

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send them out into the street, give them hammers and

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nails, and they will

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be insulating school toilets all across

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the country. Thank you very much for

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watching. See you in a week.

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