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Hello everyone, it's 8:18 p.m. in Moscow, in the studio.

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Alexei Navalny, or the man with a 1, 2, 3 percent

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approval rating, as Vladimir Putin called me

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in an interview with Austrian

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television, once again refusing to say

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my last name. I'm incredibly, incredibly glad to be

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back on the air after a month-long break.

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Every Thursday I sat there in my cell and

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sadly said, "Hello, Moscow, it's

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8:18 p.m." I missed our broadcasts terribly.

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Thank you so much.

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Many thanks to my colleagues who hosted these broadcasts.

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And huge thanks to all the viewers who

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watched them—I hope

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we'll see now that I haven't lost any

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of my live broadcasting skills. I'm

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terribly nervous and very happy to begin with

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some great news and congratulate everyone on

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the Russian national team's victory.

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5-0—absolutely amazing. I didn't watch

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the match, I was preparing for the broadcast, but I

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knew perfectly well what the score was, because

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we're sitting on the fifth floor, and after every goal

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you could hear the roar from the street—people shouting.

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That's really great. I'll drink this still

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water to the victory of the Russian

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team.

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Of course, much more

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difficult contests lie ahead, much more difficult

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matches, but still, you have to admit,

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it's great. I mean, obviously

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there was plenty to mock the Russian

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team for, to joke every time before every

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match—it was just a whole set of absolutely

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brilliant jokes, and there were—or rather,

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there weren't—I didn't meet a single

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person. But over the month I saw police officers

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or detainees, and neither group thought

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the Russian team would win even one

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match. And it's great that they did manage it.

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Just imagine what it would be like for us now

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—we'd be making sad jokes again,

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about how we'd failed again, how

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awful it all was, how hopelessly clumsy we are,

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and so on. But at least now we have

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one guaranteed great

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victory, and right now people are walking through the streets of Moscow

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chanting, "Russia! Russia!" And

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that really is very cool, very

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wonderful. Congratulations to everyone, and I wish

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our

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team to keep playing this well.

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The World Cup taking place right now

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is always, of course, a very important

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political and foreign policy

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event for any country, and it's very

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interesting to watch what's

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happening in Russia right now. Yes, this is—

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sorry, I'm smoothly moving on to less

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joyful news than our team's

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victory. For any country, it's always

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a very significant foreign policy

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event, and for Russia, of course, it's also a

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foreign policy event—a chance to show

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how great we are, to say that the boycott of

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our football celebration failed. But

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today it became clear just how much the World Cup

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was planned by the authorities and

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carried out by the authorities as, among other things,

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a domestic political event, because

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today two things happened that

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will have enormous long-term

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consequences for the whole country, for every one

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of those watching this broadcast, and both of these

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pieces of news

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were slipped in today, during the day,

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buried somewhere on pages two, three, four, five.

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And after this 5-0 victory, the news won't

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say anything about it at all.

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First of all,

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raising the retirement age. Second,

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tax increases—raising VAT by 2

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percentage points. This is very important; later

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I'll explain why it's so important. And

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notice: no discussion,

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no debate—just cheering, 5-0,

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Cheryshev, go! All of that is fine and

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great, but

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just appreciate this kind of trickery, this

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meanness, you see.

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To hide all this on the opening day of

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the World Cup in Russia, on the day when

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our national team is playing—this was all deliberately

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designed so that it wouldn't be discussed

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at all. But we will discuss it, and I

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urge all of you to discuss it too,

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to explain it to people. In fact, after

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some time, people will of course

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understand for themselves what's happening, and here it's very

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important—important for each of us—to

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explain why this happened and who

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is to blame. There are a lot of questions.

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Let me remind you that you can ask me

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questions on Twitter using the hashtag #Navalny2018.

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On this broadcast, we're continuing

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to raise money. All of it will go toward

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paying fines for those who were arrested for

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participating in the May 5 rallies in

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their cities. And we've now enabled

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Super Chat. I don't even know how this

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thing works myself—they turned it on while I

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was under arrest. In short, there's some kind of

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Super Chat. I don't know what people do with it, but

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you'll probably figure something out yourselves.

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There are a lot of questions about my

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detention center, my arrest, and a lot of

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questions because today I—well, it's not

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that it was exactly planned, although yes, I had intended

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it—I just didn't expect there to be such a

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reaction. I'll make a little

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sensation: I got out of the detention center, but

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today, with the World Cup starting, I thought I'd write a quick

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update, and I posted on Instagram about

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how I'd gotten out, and the entire

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detention center—and in fact the whole area for

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those under arrest—had been completely transformed.

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because of the World Cup, they would be

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arresting foreigners, and so there

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they redid everything. Well, I didn’t want to

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completely deceive people; I understood that once it was out,

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all sorts of outlets would start reprinting the story.

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So I basically built into the story

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what seemed to me completely obvious, and

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well, these little clues showing that this

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could never be true. For example, I

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wrote that now there was a completely different

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menu, and if the detainee wanted, a waiter would come in.

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That “waiter” was supposedly a cadet from a police academy (militsiya, the former Soviet/Russian police).

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They’re fed borscht, and

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offered a choice of dessert, including

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tiramisu. And it seemed to me that

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a Russian jail cell

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“Russian jail cell” and “tiramisu” are two phrases

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that simply cannot exist,

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in the same universe, and any person

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would of course understand immediately. Still, just in case,

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I thought maybe someone wouldn’t

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pick up on the tiramisu part.

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So I added a paragraph saying that now

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in the special detention center, specially hired

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female students from foreign-language institutes

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dressed as flight attendants

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came in to hand out

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phrasebooks in foreign languages. Then I also

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added a point saying that in every cell

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they had installed a huge LCD

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screen so detainees could watch

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football.

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Well, at that point it was already completely

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obvious that this could never be true.

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Nevertheless, a huge number of media outlets

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published the story, saying that Navalny

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had described how the special detention center had changed.

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Some absolutely

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respectable media outlets did it too. I apologize to everyone.

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Just now, on my way to the broadcast, I found

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that public radio—the main radio network in the U.S.—

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had also carried it, quoting these

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reports as if they were factual accounts.

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The opposition leader described how the Russian

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police had transformed the detention center.

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I apologize to everyone. It seemed to me

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that it was obvious, but apparently it was

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only very obvious to those who have actually been

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in a special detention center, or under arrest at all.

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Anyone who has had that kind of negative experience in jail

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understands that this could

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never happen. There is no such thing as tiramisu

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there, there cannot be, there simply cannot be

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anything like that in those interiors,

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or any girls from foreign-language

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institutes.

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Nevertheless, there were many news reports. It was all

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made up from the first word to the last.

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Fiction. There are no toilets—there are still holes in the

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floor.

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There’s no amazing food, no

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TVs, no goals and balls in the

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exercise yard, and no one is given

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gifts after being released from detention.

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That’s how I wrote it.

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Sorry, guys—everyone who believed it, well,

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that’s my own

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little funny story about the World

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Cup.

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I served 30 days—30 days, longer than 25.

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It was my longest arrest so far, and

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as I said in today’s video with you,

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which I already posted on the main

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channel, yes, there was nothing good about it, but

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again, nothing super-extremely

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terrible happened to me. And if

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that is the price that has to be paid

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for telling the truth in Russia, then

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I will pay that price. And I urge everyone

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not to be afraid of it. There is nothing so horrible in

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detention or arrest itself. What is frightening is

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what is happening to our country right now.

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What is frightening is when the retirement age

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is raised the way it is being raised.

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And of course I should also say that

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quite a few of my colleagues

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are still in detention centers—Kira Yarmysh,

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my press secretary, is still there now, with a little

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time left; she got 25 days, for the first time ever.

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Also, we had an episode when in

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Bashkiria (Bashkortostan), the head of our штаб, Lilia,

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got 30 days. Kira got 25.

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Usually women aren’t given that much time, but

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times are changing. Ruslan Shaveddinov is in the same

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detention center for 25 days, and Sergei

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Boyko, I think, got 30 days.

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He is also still serving time now. In

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Irkutsk, Sergei Bespalov is in jail; the head

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of our headquarters in Krasnoyarsk was just released today; in

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Krasnoyarsk, Daniil Markin...

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In St. Petersburg, our unfortunate

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Denis Mikhailov, who is simply the head

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of our St. Petersburg headquarters, walks outside

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and they grab him and lock him up for 30 days. But in

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St. Petersburg

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and with the local authorities, we will wage

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a fierce struggle, because this is

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a gang of crooks and thieves, and the local

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police—

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they have effectively declared war on

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our headquarters. But we accept the fight; they’ll

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have a lot to answer for, and we will deal closely with the St. Petersburg

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officials and the St. Petersburg police

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and everyone else quite

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intensively. So to all these

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people who are still locked up, I send them

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a virtual greeting. Of course they can’t

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hear me—naturally, they have no access to

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the internet. They’re doing great, and many

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thanks to everyone who took part in the protests

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on the fifth, and who also went through

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these unpleasant moments involving

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detentions. I can see the first

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donations coming in—2,018 rubles have arrived

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2,018 rubles have come in to pay the fines.

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As for the World Cup, just to close this

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topic: many people think the opposition is against

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the World Cup, or that I am against the World Cup.

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the world against it being held in

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Russia because of the costs and all that.

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No, I’m not against the FIFA World Cup

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and I’m not against it being held in

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Russia. It’s great that Russia is hosting this

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football celebration. The only thing I don’t

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understand is why it absolutely has to

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cost you and me $14 billion

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when presumably we would have played just as well against

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Saudi Arabia even

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if the total cost had come to

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say, $8 billion, or

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$6 billion, or $10 billion, but

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some more reasonable amount. I’m

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looking, for example, at the cost of this old

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sporting event in other countries, and I

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see figures like this: in 2002, $4 billion; in 2006,

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$2.9 billion; in 2010, three and a

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half billion dollars was the cost of

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the FIFA World Cup in

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2014. In Brazil, the World Cup

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also cost a very

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high amount—$14 billion, slightly

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cheaper than ours, which is the most expensive.

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But in Brazil, afterward there was a

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massive scandal, because the whole

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country came out—really, the whole country

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took to the streets and said: you stole a large

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part of that money. And as a result of those

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unrest, the government ended up resigning.

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The government resigned.

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The president resigned too, and even in

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Brazil this was one of the few

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World Cups where the head of state

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did not speak at the opening ceremony. Now,

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today Putin spoke, and many people

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were indignant: why is Putin speaking? But he

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was supposed to speak—that’s the tradition.

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The head of state speaks at the

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World Cup. In Brazil, that didn’t happen.

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They just released doves there, because

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well, it was impossible

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for anyone

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to speak in a situation where the whole country

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was going crazy. Just imagine:

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Brazil, where everyone is obsessed with football, and

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all those football-mad people

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were coming out into the streets by the hundreds of thousands against

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the FIFA World Cup because of

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corruption, because of theft.

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I would like the World Cup

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to be held for some reasonable amount of money,

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and for the remaining money saved

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to be directed elsewhere.

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For example, if we need the tournament for

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tourism growth,

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just imagine how great it would be if

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we did everything, say, for a huge but still

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much lower amount—$8 billion,

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and then another $6 billion

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could be used to make two regions—Kaliningrad and

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Nizhny Novgorod Region—

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ideal from the standpoint of

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tourism, investing several billion in each

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and simply lifting those regions up,

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giving them new development, making it so

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that hundreds of thousands of

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tourists would go there because the airports are great,

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renovated, and there are attractions,

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leisure options, and everything else. But we

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didn’t do that. Instead, we have

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the same thing again. I’m already so tired of every

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time talking about construction—I’ve already

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told you all about Rotenberg and

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Timchenko, but

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still, what else is there to say?

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Rotenberg and Timchenko made

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tens of billions of rubles here

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—“made” meaning, really, stole,

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because the official amount of

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money they earned in profit is

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relatively

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small—well, not small, but we

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know that looking at the cost of this

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construction, we understand perfectly well that

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a significant part of it was simply

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stolen, and these people became fabulously rich

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off the FIFA World Cup.

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That’s what I’m against, and I will never

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agree with the idea that if you want a championship,

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you have to accept whatever comes with it.

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Like the saying goes: if you like sledding, you have to haul the sled too.

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And Rotenberg and the kind of “sled” that

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comes by default with any construction project

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in Russia—send that to hell.

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With or without your Rotenberg, could you

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hold something at all? Besides, well,

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of course, on some things I’m not a big

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expert. In football, I don’t claim to be one.

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Yes, people have laughed at me many times

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when they asked me who I support

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and I said Spartak. In fact,

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I do support Spartak because I consider it

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a real Moscow team, but honestly

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I don’t know much about the internal

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life of Spartak

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or anything else. Yes, I’m not very

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interested in football, but even to me it’s not

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clear, and I really want an answer

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to the question: why did we build a 45,000-seat

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stadium in the city of Saransk?

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I’ve been there—it’s a good city, good people, but

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what possible use is a 45,000-seat stadium there, even

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considering that when people start criticizing

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Mutko and everyone else, they say, well, why the

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hell did they build, in Saransk, a small city,

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a 45,000-seat stadium? They say, well,

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we’ll rebuild it later, reduce it, and it

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will have 30,000 seats. Fine—but if I don’t

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understand this stuff, I go online and look up

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where in Russia we consistently get 30,000 people at

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football matches.

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And I see that Zenit can do that,

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but even Spartak and CSKA can’t

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boast those kinds of regular numbers—

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30,000 in the stadium. So I understand that

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30,000 is an enormous, colossal

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capacity for a stadium, even in a city

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In a city of over a million people, what do I do next?

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Not being much of a football expert, I go to

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the specialized website Sports.ru

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and look at the attendance figures.

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For football matches in the city of Saransk,

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where we slapped together this fancy stadium for

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many

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billions, I see that in 2015 and 2016

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the average attendance was 6,026

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people, and in the 2016–17 season, after three matches,

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the average attendance was

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3,762 people—ten times less

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than what they’ve built now can hold.

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Sure, the assumption is, of course,

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that this cool new stadium will become

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a driver of growth, that it can be used for

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other sports.

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But tell me, what sports in Saransk

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I’m not criticizing Saransk right now,

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I’m just saying it’s still a relatively small

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city. What sports, other than literally handing out

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money from a helicopter, could attract 30,000

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people in Saransk? None.

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And even in Moscow, almost none can.

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And yet they built it. And I don’t—

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I don’t have an answer, and no one has an answer to

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the question of what the hell this is for. Maintaining

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this stadium will cost colossal

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amounts of money. Maintaining this stadium will eat up

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the entire budget of the city of Saransk. They’ll need

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federal subsidies so it doesn’t

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fall apart.

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They’ll have to come up with special programs,

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and, for all I know, they’ll start dragging in soldiers or

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police officers by force so they

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sit in those empty stands. At the same time,

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in Krasnodar, where there’s a magnificent stadium

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built with private money—this

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stadium, just type “beautiful stadium

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in Russia” into Google and you’ll see photos of

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Krasnodar’s. I myself would really like to

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go see that stadium—everyone praises it.

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There’s also some amazing park in front of it.

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Galitsky, the former owner of Magnit (a major Russian retail chain), built all of it.

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He built it himself; he’s obsessed with football.

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There’s also the Krasnodar youth academy, by the way.

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And again, if we look at

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the numbers, it ranks third in Russia for

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attendance. So there is a new

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great stadium that holds a lot of people,

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but it wasn’t included in the World Cup program.

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Why? Because they needed

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to build a new stadium, because

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construction is an opportunity for old hands like

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Rotenberg, Timchenko, and the rest to steal

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many, many billions from us. And I really

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don’t see any problem with both

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celebrating the Russian national team’s victories

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and enjoying football in general,

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enjoying the World Cup, supporting

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the idea of the World Cup being held in Russia,

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and at the same time being outraged by corruption. That’s

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exactly how it should be. A true patriot of Russia, I

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believe, should act that way.

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He should ask our government

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questions: the World Cup is great, but

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let’s figure out why

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this happened. Let me remind you that with

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the hashtag #Navalny2018, you can

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ask me questions. Go ahead, I’ll

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answer them, and then we’ll move on to the next topic.

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So, I see people are asking me—right now we have

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1,500 people watching the stream.

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They’re asking whether there will be a list

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of the books I’ve read. Yes, there will be a list

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of the books I’ve read. This time I actually

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wrote everything down and added a short review,

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because last time I let everyone down and

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never made the reading list.

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I got through a lot. Some books were

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complete trash, some were very

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good and I’d like to recommend them.

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So yes, there will definitely be

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a post like that on my blog. Makar asks:

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“Hello from the headquarters in

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Cheboksary—we’re watching

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together with the volunteers. Hello to everyone.

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We’re getting ready for the weekend.” Yes, we

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really are currently organizing

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a nationwide campaign, and our headquarters across

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the country will be carrying out this weekend

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an action through RosYama (an anti-pothole civic service), that is, we

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through our RosYama service will be

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documenting road surface problems, because

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again, the World Cup is great, but

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we mustn’t forget that roads in many of Russia’s

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major cities are destroyed,

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and we need to draw attention to that. Our

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RosYama service does exactly that: it lets you

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file complaints about damage to road surfaces,

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because this isn’t just a pothole in the

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road—incidentally, it’s actually

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a legal violation over which the traffic police (GIBDD)

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are supposed to draw up a report. Vorobyov asks

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me—this just flashed by on the screen—

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what I think about the detention

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of a British LGBT activist who was standing

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in a one-person protest. I think it’s

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complete idiocy. I saw the photos—

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there was this man standing there with a sign

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about LGBT activists.

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You should treat it as a one-person protest:

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you read it, say “good for him,”

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or say “not good for him, we don’t

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agree,” and move on. He has every

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right to stand there with that sign.

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He isn’t bothering anyone, absolutely no one.

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So his detention is an obvious

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violation of rights. Is it normal that—also in

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the same question— is it normal that in

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Russia, human rights are being defended by

22:55

foreigners? First of all, it’s not only

22:57

foreigners—Russian citizens, too,

23:00

speak out on this issue.

23:02

By the way, today, to show the difference

23:04

between a Russian citizen and a foreigner—I don’t remember

23:07

the name, unfortunately—at lunchtime today, a man came out

23:11

with a sign near a monument.

23:14

So, Zhukov insisted on Manezhnaya Square (a central square in Moscow).

23:16

He was given 15 days of administrative arrest for a solo picket, but

23:20

foreigners were detained for the same thing, as I understand it,

23:22

and they’ll be released, but where foreigners were involved,

23:25

they just scolded them, while our guy got 15 days — but that is

23:27

obviously, of course, obviously unlawful

23:29

actions.

23:30

So, the next topic — and if it weren’t for

23:34

the triumphant, fantastic victory

23:36

of Russia over the Saudi Arabia national team,

23:38

this would undoubtedly, it seems to me, today be

23:41

the number one topic, despite the fact that it was

23:45

completely undeservedly overlooked

23:48

by many people. I see that economists, people

23:50

who understand this stuff, are writing about it,

23:51

they’re talking about it a lot, but ordinary people haven’t

23:55

really grasped it: VAT was raised from 18% to 20%.

24:01

Let’s listen to what

24:03

Dmitry Medvedev said when announcing that it would be

24:06

increased. I want to stress once again

24:09

that during these presidential elections

24:12

the Russian government, including

24:13

Medvedev, repeatedly said that

24:15

there were absolutely no plans to increase the tax

24:17

burden. Nevertheless, today, deliberately,

24:20

on a day when this would not really be

24:21

discussed, they raised it. Here is what

24:23

Medvedev said: the rate of the tax on

24:26

value added will be changed.

24:28

The basic VAT rate is currently 18%.

24:31

It is proposed to make it 20%.

24:35

So that this burden does not fall on people,

24:40

all VAT benefits

24:43

for essential socially significant

24:46

goods and key services will be

24:50

preserved.

24:50

These are reduced rates for

24:52

food,

24:54

children’s goods, medical goods, and

24:56

zero rates for domestic

24:59

interregional air travel.

25:02

And so an ordinary

25:06

normal person looks at this — someone who is not

25:08

a tax specialist, not

25:10

an economist — and thinks: well, what kind of

25:13

nonsense is this VAT thing?

25:15

I don’t pay any VAT. I’ve never

25:17

seen myself paying any VAT. That’s something

25:20

for legal entities, some kind of

25:22

VAT offsets, accounting tricks, whatever.

25:25

It doesn’t concern me at all. Some

25:27

factories will pay it, the average person thinks.

25:30

And then — it was 18%, now it’s 20% — also

25:35

some kind of nonsense. It was 18 kopecks, now it’s

25:38

20 kopecks, or it was 18 rubles,

25:40

now it’s 20 rubles — doesn’t affect me at all,

25:44

the average person thinks. Besides, as

25:46

Medvedev also said, the reduced VAT rate

25:49

for food and children’s goods will remain

25:52

as it is, no one will touch it, absolutely nothing

25:54

will change. Well,

25:57

it will change, of course, absolutely for sure. I’m

26:01

not going to go

26:02

into a long discussion now about the economic

26:05

nature of VAT. Vladimir Milov, in his

26:08

program today, talked about it,

26:10

and there will be a lot more said on this subject, a lot will

26:11

be written. The nature of VAT, the properties of this tax,

26:14

are such that

26:16

all goods will become 2% more expensive,

26:20

guaranteed. But let’s say you don’t

26:24

believe me — let’s believe this very

26:27

Russian government today.

26:29

The Russian government gave two figures.

26:32

This 2% VAT increase

26:35

— just two percent — will bring the Russian budget

26:37

first, they said, 2 trillion rubles,

26:42

according to the government’s estimate, and then

26:44

Finance Minister Siluanov gave the lowest

26:47

figure: 600 billion rubles. That is,

26:52

from 2 trillion

26:53

down to 600 billion. Let’s not even

26:55

discuss the 2 trillion, although I

26:57

think it will most likely be 2

26:59

trillion. Let’s discuss 600 billion. At the same time,

27:03

we understand that VAT is included in the price of the

27:06

final product, so those 600

27:08

billion will be paid by us, by you and me. 600

27:11

billion is 4,000 rubles from each of

27:15

us. So I guarantee you this is

27:20

inevitable: this year you will spend

27:24

4,000 rubles more, and next year you

27:28

will spend more too, because they say, well,

27:32

we only raised it a little.

27:33

And this is not my assumption — once again,

27:36

Medvedev said the tax would be raised, and

27:40

Siluanov said this is how much we will receive

27:43

as a result of implementing this

27:46

tax increase. In other words, we will pay more. You

27:48

will pay at least 4,000

27:51

rubles more. Is 4,000 rubles a year a lot

27:54

or a little?

27:55

The average salary in Russia,

27:57

according to official data, is 36,000

28:00

rubles. In reality, of course, it is

28:02

lower, but officially it is 36,000

28:04

rubles. So 4,000

28:07

— if we take annual income — is

28:10

almost 1% of annual income. One

28:13

percent of your annual income you will have

28:15

to pay — just like that. Notice:

28:17

there has been no public discussion at all. I mean,

28:20

a tax increase — that’s a big deal.

28:22

The right and the left should be battling over this.

28:25

There should be debate in the State

28:28

Duma, the Union of Industrialists and

28:31

Entrepreneurs should be saying one thing, experts

28:34

another, and the Communists should

28:36

come out — in theory, the Communists should

28:38

support higher taxes, while United

28:40

Russia, which by the way claims that

28:43

it is a right-wing party and defends

28:46

the interests of business, ought to be

28:47

against this tax. But there is nothing at all,

28:50

no discussion whatsoever.

28:52

That means each of us will pay at least

28:54

4,000 rubles, and most likely much

28:56

more — remember, up to 2 trillion rubles.

28:59

The upper estimate will be much higher.

29:02

paid

29:03

But we see no public

29:05

discussion. This was the fourth news item on the day of the opening

29:08

of the World Cup, so this is a very important

29:11

issue. They have already even said that

29:14

inflation will rise because of the increase

29:17

in pension—sorry, because of the

29:20

increase in VAT, that is, inflation

29:23

is rising, and we will pay 4,000 rubles more

29:26

and the overall economic

29:30

impact on our incomes, on our

29:32

situation, will be quite

29:34

substantial. And the poorer you are, excuse me,

29:39

the more significant that impact will be,

29:42

because, again, the nature of VAT is such

29:44

that poor citizens suffer from its

29:48

increase first and foremost.

29:49

The smaller your salary already is, the smaller

29:52

your family income is,

29:53

the more you—specifically you and your family—

29:58

will pay as a result of the VAT increase. What irritates me

30:02

is that no one is saying this.

30:04

Somehow, that is just how politics is arranged in

30:07

this country: no one discusses it, no one

30:11

discusses it. Well, I don't know—I devoted my

30:13

internet program to it, people said a lot on

30:15

the radio, something was said in the newspapers,

30:17

they wrote about it, but nowhere else. We have

30:20

a whole bunch of state TV channels,

30:23

billions of rubles are spent on them, yet on something that

30:26

will affect tens of millions, there is absolutely no

30:29

discussion at all. But we should be having this

30:31

discussion, and people need to have it

30:34

explained to them that when, following the rise in the price of

30:36

gasoline, gasoline gets more expensive because of VAT,

30:39

so will food products. And all that is a lie, what

30:42

Medvedev says—that food prices have

30:45

0% VAT or 10% VAT and therefore it will not

30:47

be affected. It will be affected, because that is simply how it

30:51

works: it is present everywhere, in every

30:53

product, and food will become more expensive. When

30:55

food gets more expensive, your grandmother

30:57

who voted for Putin will come and say,

30:59

"Grandson, somehow, well, bread

31:03

has gone up, cabbage, carrots..."

31:06

You need to explain to your grandmothers that

31:09

"Dear Grandma, this is specifically Medvedev and

31:13

Putin.

31:14

Despite what they promised, they made it so

31:17

that this year you, Grandma, lost

31:20

4,000 rubles

31:21

and got approximately zero in return,

31:26

except, dear Grandma, a stadium

31:29

30

31:31

and a quest in the city of Saransk. It is not easy

31:34

to explain, I agree. It is some kind of

31:37

construction that is not entirely obvious, but

31:39

please explain this to your grandmothers. It is

31:43

very important and will have very large

31:46

consequences. Well, since I am on this topic, I

31:51

see a question—"Cheburek..." wow, how do you

31:53

come up with these names? They are asking me specifically:

31:56

Ilya Yashin has submitted documents to Mosgorizbirkom (the Moscow City Election Commission).

31:57

Will there be support for Yashin?

31:59

Will Navalny's team help collect

32:01

signatures? Well, it is probably no secret to anyone

32:04

that we certainly support

32:06

Yashin. We supported the primaries.

32:08

The primaries did not take place. Dmitry Gudkov

32:11

was afraid to take part in them, despite the fact

32:13

that, as far as I know—I did not see those appeals myself,

32:15

I was under arrest—but I did read

32:18

newspaper articles about how Yashin appealed to

32:20

Gudkov, and Gudkov refused. We support him.

32:23

In the end, there will be support from us for him.

32:25

For him, from us. Well, right now, as I understand it,

32:28

he is still in a difficult situation. I

32:32

will talk about it in more detail a little later, when

32:35

I speak about the Moscow elections. But

32:37

Yashin does have a difficult situation after all.

32:39

He wanted some kind of unifying arrangement,

32:40

he wanted primaries.

32:42

His idea of taking part in the mayoral election was based on that,

32:45

because he would go to the primaries,

32:46

win the primaries,

32:48

but that arrangement, by and large, does not exist. Still,

32:50

we will see what decision he ultimately makes, but we

32:53

will of course support him, not only

32:57

because Yashin is an excellent

32:58

and decent person who is often unfairly criticized,

33:00

simply...

33:01

Yashin's interests coincide with ours.

33:04

We also wanted primaries,

33:06

we also wanted and still want a common united arrangement.

33:11

We will all die before reaching

33:15

retirement age. Well, rather,

33:17

of course, with the increase, all of us

33:20

will die before reaching retirement

33:24

age. But while I was sitting here, they brought me

33:27

a great statement,

33:30

from the Russian Confederation of Labour,

33:31

the largest independent trade union in Russia.

33:34

They put out a very good statement

33:35

about raising the retirement age

33:37

even before it was announced today

33:40

officially. And there is statistics there, and

33:44

it is statistics that everyone should know.

33:48

Remember this, please: 40

33:51

percent of men in Russia do not live to

33:56

retirement age. Twenty percent of women

34:00

currently living in Russia will not live

34:04

to retirement age. So this

34:09

decision is also astonishing, unbelievable.

34:12

The decision has been finalized, and today, on the

34:16

day the FIFA World Cup opened, a decision

34:20

was made that completely contradicts everything

34:23

Putin has been saying for 18 years, and how

34:26

categorically he said it. If you

34:29

remember, then on almost every

34:33

Direct Line with the President (Putin's annual televised Q&A), these

34:36

sorts of things they like to do,

34:37

he was always asked questions about

34:39

raising the retirement age. The setup

34:41

was always the same: they would say, "Well, Vladimir

34:46

Vladimirovich, there are these evil, evil

34:49

liberals in the government, Kudrin and

34:52

all the other scoundrels, those people..."

34:55

They want to raise the retirement age. What do you

34:57

think about that? And after all, he kept

35:00

saying all the time: no, I will never do that

35:04

as long as I am presi-

35:06

dent, this will not happen. No exaggeration—I

35:09

showed this clip in my video

35:11

today. Let's watch it here once again

35:13

and keep watching it until we're

35:15

blue in the face.

35:16

And let's show everyone this—one of

35:21

Putin's many statements—word for word, and

35:24

keep bringing it back up. Let's watch: "I am against raising

35:29

the retirement age, and as long as I am

35:33

president, such a decision will not be

35:35

made.

35:35

And in general, I believe that we have no

35:38

need to raise the age for

35:41

retirement."

35:43

Look at that—what a tough man,

35:46

true to his word: "I am against raising

35:49

the retirement age. As long as I am president,

35:51

this will not happen." And all the elderly women go,

35:53

"Oh my God, what a fine fellow, thank you, it's so

35:57

wonderful that our president Vladimir

36:00

Putin is like this." And now they went into the elections

36:02

thinking that too, saying, well, Putin has

36:05

been in power for 18 years, and for all 18 years

36:09

he has said the same thing: I am against raising

36:11

the retirement age, and he will never raise it.

36:13

And a month after the inauguration

36:16

had passed,

36:18

the World Cup flags were raised, the fireworks

36:22

went off, and then very quietly, very quietly, they announced: well,

36:26

the retirement age is being raised. And at that,

36:28

they chose the harshest possible scenario for raising

36:32

the retirement age. There were many

36:34

transitional options

36:35

where it would go up by six months, and then by another

36:38

six months—they wanted to stretch this out over

36:40

several years, and as far as I

36:43

understand, that was the preferred approach:

36:46

to spread it over several years so people wouldn't

36:48

get outraged.

36:49

Because, again, 40 percent

36:51

of men currently alive will not live long enough,

36:53

and they most likely know that they will not

36:55

make it.

36:56

And to put it bluntly, guys, in effect

36:58

they were told: you'll work until you die

37:00

and you'll never receive a pension. Forty

37:03

percent—if ten people are watching us

37:05

right now,

37:06

then for four of them, no

37:09

pension is coming. You work your whole life, and a pen-

37:12

sion—you won't get one.

37:12

That's what they told them, and

37:14

[music]

37:16

obviously they won't like that, so

37:18

that's why all this was done so briskly, precisely

37:20

on these days. And this is an absolutely outrageous

37:26

violation,

37:26

and it is a completely senseless and harmful

37:31

measure. Of course, some people will

37:33

say: that's populism, what you're saying.

37:36

The retirement age needs to be raised, and

37:40

United Russia (the ruling political party) will tell you that now, and already

37:42

look—even the

37:45

human rights ombudsman

37:46

has issued a statement saying how

37:49

right it is—she supports raising

37:52

the retirement age because it

37:55

apparently has a positive effect on the state of

37:57

human rights. Kudrin today—this is our

38:00

wonderful systemic liberal, Alexei

38:04

Kudrin—declared what a proper,

38:07

good measure this is, and that as a result people's

38:10

pensions will increase. Yet when we look

38:13

at the adopted decision, it says that

38:16

pensions will be increased, the retirement

38:19

age will be raised—but by what mechanism will

38:22

pensions increase?

38:22

From these documents, absolutely nothing

38:25

is clear. Something about

38:28

1,000 rubles a year (about US$11 a year)—1,000 rubles a year, as we

38:31

just discussed, while in the course of

38:33

the VAT increase we will spend far

38:35

more. So for now it's not clear how

38:38

pensions are supposed to rise.

38:41

But it is completely obvious that they have already

38:43

raised it—the reason for raising the retirement age is very

38:47

simple: the state has no money, and they

38:52

say so directly. The issue here is not

38:55

unemployment, or

38:57

whether there are many jobs, or whether we

39:00

need new labor resources, or any

39:02

other such reasons.

39:04

It's not as if the whole country is full of energetic retirees

39:06

who don't know what to do, going

39:09

out into the streets and doing—what's it called—

39:11

Swedish walking or Nordic walking

39:13

with poles, walking around like that.

39:14

You can't get away from them, these retirees,

39:17

they won't let you walk down the sidewalk, so

39:19

let's raise the retirement age and make them

39:21

go work. No, those are not the reasons being

39:24

given. There is only one reason: there isn't enough money. We

39:28

need to collect more money, so let's

39:30

pay out fewer pensions. That's also a raising of

39:32

the retirement age: we simply

39:34

won't pay pensions to several million people.

39:36

That's all. But if that's the case, then

39:40

let's save money by fighting corruption,

39:43

which is exactly what I talked about during my

39:46

election campaign. Guys, if there isn't enough

39:48

money in the budget, then by your own estimates

39:51

1 to 1.5 trillion rubles a year (about US$11-17 billion a year)

39:54

is stolen through public procurement alone. Let's

39:57

save money there. Let's look at what

40:00

crazy expenses we have, like these

40:03

projects costing two or even several times more than

40:06

they should—stadiums, for example, or enormous budgets for

40:09

state television, and so on

40:11

and so forth. If there is no money,

40:13

then let's look for it—but let's not make it so that

40:16

40 percent of men do not live long enough to reach

40:19

that pension. That cannot be done, it is

40:22

impossible. Besides, let's honestly

40:24

say—especially, probably, this will be

40:27

It’s obvious to older people there,

40:29

where are they supposed to find a job at 55?

40:35

A 55-year-old woman in Russia will not find

40:38

a job anywhere, ever.

40:41

Let’s be realistic, really

40:45

and face reality head-on.

40:46

Sorry for the tautology, but in fact

40:49

go right now, don’t wait,

40:53

listen to me, go to any job search website

40:58

to prove me wrong, and

41:01

look — everywhere it will say up to

41:03

40, everywhere it will say “up to 40 years old.” For

41:06

these people whose retirement age

41:09

has been raised to 65, and to 63 for women, there is nowhere

41:13

for them to get hired. The idea here is very simple:

41:16

it is simply about not paying them

41:20

a pension, that’s all. They cannot work.

41:23

Besides, I was asked a lot about this

41:27

during the election campaign, and we

41:29

will talk about it a lot, a great deal, precisely

41:32

because everyone got scared and is staying silent,

41:35

even the Communists. Look at the trade unions

41:37

— apart from the KTR (Confederation of Labor of Russia), everyone is silent. So we

41:40

will of course speak about it a lot, and

41:42

the Anti-Corruption Foundation, our party

41:44

Russia of the Future, our headquarters, will become

41:47

probably the main political force

41:49

that will oppose this

41:51

decision. And we have a great deal on this subject —

41:54

figures, all kinds of data.

41:56

But the healthcare system is such that

41:59

by the age of 60, people are already disabled — 30 percent

42:02

of them are disabled, they cannot work.

42:04

When Kudrin and all the others say, well,

42:08

65 years old — they imagine some kind of

42:11

these

42:11

sprightly people who work with them

42:14

in neighboring offices, with huge

42:16

salaries, an excellent standard of living,

42:19

great healthcare, low

42:23

stress levels, low alcohol consumption

42:26

or at least moderate

42:27

alcohol use. But these are people living in cities, with

42:31

higher education — everything is great for them, well

42:33

yes, they live to 75.

42:36

No question about it. But whether we like it or not,

42:41

our country is mostly made up of

42:46

very different people who live in it,

42:48

and for various reasons, historical

42:51

reasons,

42:52

if we are talking about 60-year-olds, they do not

42:55

have a good education, they have never

42:58

received in their lives

43:00

proper healthcare, they do not

43:04

eat very well, they very often

43:06

abuse them

43:08

alcohol, and life for them

43:11

is not exactly

43:12

let’s say, much less

43:15

cheerful than it is for Alexei Leonidovich

43:19

Kudrin. Not because — I just said

43:22

that they abuse

43:24

alcoholic drinks — not because they

43:25

abuse them

43:26

as a cause; very often the relationship is the other way around, and

43:28

they began abusing

43:30

alcohol because, well, life is like that. You

43:32

live in a city, even

43:35

in a regional capital, and your salary at work

43:38

is no more than 30,000 to 35,000 rubles a month (about $330–$385),

43:41

you can go work at a factory with hazardous

43:43

working conditions, even up to age 55,

43:46

and make 35,000–40,000 rubles (about $385–$440), but

43:48

if you want to work in normal

43:50

conditions, then fine — work for 22,000 rubles (about $240). That

43:53

is Russia.

43:56

And in this Russia, to raise the retirement

43:59

age now — we will not accept it, we will

44:03

oppose it however we can. So

44:08

you too, please — I know that my

44:12

program and my videos are watched by younger

44:17

people, and please do not

44:20

think that this somehow does not

44:23

concern you at all. It does concern you, it

44:25

will affect you, it will affect your

44:28

parents too. You see, the thing is,

44:30

it is all very tightly interconnected. If the government

44:35

deprives several million people of their pensions,

44:38

that means it will affect your

44:41

salary, your salary prospects,

44:43

your small business, medium-sized business, any business at all.

44:46

These things are interconnected. So they

44:50

are hitting you with measures like this — hitting

44:53

you specifically. And when

44:56

we hear all this talk that

44:58

United Russia (the ruling political party) will be pushing, saying,

45:00

“we will create a more balanced

45:03

pension system” — no.

45:05

The priorities should be different. I am

45:08

sure that if, in your city,

45:11

you look for the Pension Fund building, it

45:14

will be the most beautiful, the fanciest,

45:17

the most glass-covered building in your city.

45:19

Let’s at least sort out the Pension Fund’s spending

45:22

first, and only then

45:25

talk about raising the retirement age. I say this

45:27

as the head of the organization that released

45:29

an investigation into the apartment of the head

45:32

of the Pension Fund. I don’t remember anymore

45:34

how much it cost there on Patriarch’s Ponds (an elite neighborhood in Moscow),

45:36

something like a billion — no, half a billion

45:38

rubles a few years ago — but some kind of

45:41

100-room apartment that the head

45:43

of the Pension Fund, Drozdov, obtained

45:45

from who knows where, bought it or somehow

45:47

acquired it. So there have to be priorities.

45:51

And among those priorities, among the possible

45:54

courses of action,

45:56

raising the retirement age may be one option, but

45:58

it is far down the list.

45:59

First, let’s optimize Pension Fund spending.

46:03

Then let’s

46:06

try to reduce corruption. Then

46:08

let’s look at where we have unnecessary

46:10

government spending. Then let’s try

46:13

to make it possible for entrepreneurs to bring

46:16

their taxes out of the shadow economy, and help them do it,

46:19

and so on and so forth — and only then.

46:22

If nothing works, then we’ll start thinking about

46:25

raising the retirement age. Right now,

46:27

to raise it would be a direct

46:28

crime against citizens, without any

46:31

exaggeration. So please, guys,

46:33

help us spread the word about this, talk

46:36

about it. Alexei asks me

46:39

when the trips around the cities will resume. Kurgan

46:41

is still hoping for a meeting. Once again

46:44

I apologize to Kurgan.

46:45

It’s the only city I planned to visit

46:47

twice.

46:49

There were authorized rallies there, and

46:51

our volunteers were working there, but I didn’t make it

46:54

either the first or the second time. I really

46:56

want to get there, but the trips

46:58

around the cities will resume. You can see how

47:00

everything is set up now: you can’t even get out of

47:04

a special detention center. Over the last 12

47:08

months—if we don’t count by calendar years

47:13

but just take the last 12 calendar months—

47:16

I spent 75 days

47:19

under arrest in a special detention center,

47:21

which comes out to every fifth day. That’s a lot,

47:24

and it really, really affects my plans

47:28

because after serving 30 days,

47:29

I’ve got a whole bunch of plans that need to be

47:31

started

47:34

and finished here, and with the headquarters too.

47:36

I’d also like to go somewhere with my family,

47:38

take care of some things. All of that

47:43

has an impact, but I’m trying to do what I can and

47:45

I’ll keep doing it, especially with things like this

47:47

going on. “How did you celebrate your birthday?”

47:49

Elena asks me. I had

47:52

a cellmate—a great guy, by the way,

47:54

a very well-read person, even more

47:57

well-read than I am, and we really

48:00

spent 10 days together, just the two of us in the cell

48:02

for 10 days, because I was in a non-smoking cell.

48:04

Most of the people who end up

48:07

in the special detention center are smokers, so

48:10

there usually aren’t many people

48:13

in the non-smoking cells. Though by the end of my detention,

48:15

there were already four people in our five-

48:18

person cell. So yes, he was a very good,

48:21

wonderful person to end up with.

48:24

Very well-read. Our cell really

48:26

felt like a literary salon, and

48:28

it was all, “Have you read this? What do you think?”

48:32

“Well, this is what I think.” “Have you watched…”

48:34

“Did you manage to get through Joyce’s *Ulysses*? I couldn’t,”

48:38

I just couldn’t handle it.

48:38

“What about you?”

48:41

Those were the kinds of conversations we had—very

48:43

pleasant, really wonderful. It’s always

48:45

nice when an interesting person

48:46

ends up in a cell with you. So

48:48

I invited him to celebrate my birthday with me.

48:51

My wife brought me a care package—

48:54

well, some permitted food items,

48:57

cookies and things like that. We poured some tea,

49:01

clinked our cups of tea, and

49:03

he made a toast and wished me a happy birthday.

49:06

So yes, I celebrated it well—very well, in fact.

49:09

I know people came to the detention center

49:11

to congratulate me—many thanks to them.

49:13

A few people were even detained there,

49:14

in fact.

49:16

And now I’ve turned on my phone and I see lots

49:19

and lots of birthday messages. Thank you

49:22

very much. It’s a good place to celebrate

49:25

one birthday in your life—one is enough,

49:27

you don’t need more than that. Once, for contrast,

49:32

for a change of scenery, is very полезно.

49:33

Actually, I’ve said many times before,

49:36

and I’ll say it again: I would recommend that every person

49:39

end up under arrest once

49:41

for a short period—not for long,

49:44

10 days, 15 days at most—

49:47

in order to reassess many things in

49:51

life. It’s a great,

49:53

useful exercise: to be under arrest once.

49:55

But be careful not

49:58

to overdo it, because 15 days is

50:00

fine,

50:01

a year is bad, two years is bad, and beyond that it gets really

50:05

bad. So, Alexei asks:

50:09

“When is your brother getting out?” Well, speaking

50:11

of 30 days—I’m telling you these stories here

50:14

about 30 days of arrest, but he

50:16

has already been locked up for almost three and a half years.

50:21

He’s supposed to be released at the end of June.

50:23

My brother Oleg is currently in a PKT (cell-type facility within a prison),

50:26

but somehow

50:30

we all very much hope that he really will

50:31

be released at the end of the month, and that finally I’ll

50:35

see him again. He’ll return to his family,

50:37

to his two children, his wife,

50:39

his friends, and the rest of our relatives.

50:42

We’re all waiting for him very much. And by the way,

50:44

I’ve just gotten out, and they handed me a letter from him.

50:46

He sends his greetings to all of you as well.

50:48

Arkady Babchenko.

50:50

Well, I don’t know whether you’re interested in

50:53

discussing this. It seems to me that

50:55

Arkady Babchenko has already been discussed from every

50:58

possible angle.

50:58

And it was impossible not to discuss it,

51:01

of course. It was an absolutely shocking

51:03

story—personally, a shocking

51:05

story. I turned on the radio in the cell in the morning

51:08

and they were saying that someone had been killed,

51:11

some Arkady Barchenko or something, and I thought,

51:14

some nonsense journalists had made up

51:15

again.

51:16

Some Barchenko—who even is that?

51:19

And then they said “Arkady,” and I realized

51:21

it was Babchenko. I was just in

51:23

complete shock. I sat there on my bunk

51:28

and remembered how, at an FBK (Anti-Corruption Foundation) meeting,

51:31

I had talked about how, when he had just

51:33

emigrated to Ukraine,

51:34

saying that he was being threatened here, I

51:37

said, “What nonsense—he made it up and left,” and

51:39

of course no one was threatening him; who here

51:40

would even need him? Then he was killed. I simply

51:46

could not believe what was happening.

51:48

terrible and monstrous crimes, but also

51:51

we were all in shock, and then, by the way, I was saying

51:53

now I’ll watch Channel One with you, I

51:55

I read it, of course, I’ll watch it, you

51:58

the first time he saw it in the millions, and I

52:01

I’ve read this 100,000 times in newspapers, this

52:04

this is the episode when they brought him out at the

52:06

press conference, I asked them to turn on

52:08

the program, let’s watch it, there are a few

52:10

seconds of it, how, how it was a deep accompli—

52:14

and Arkady Babchenko

52:17

and I’ll be your work, I’m here for amusement, what

52:22

rules, and you, his homeland, your all that

52:26

you’ll find out in Syria, so they repeat after this

52:29

act, and they will bring in Arkady Babchenko

52:31

zero 3, happy birthday

52:34

[music]

52:37

Arkady, to the studio

52:39

[music]

52:50

honestly, this is the first time I’m watching the clip with

52:55

of course, well, I was sitting there, it was on the radio

52:57

some Echo of Moscow (a Russian radio station) program was playing in the background

53:00

they interrupt the broadcast, and then strange

53:03

news comes from Kyiv

53:05

Arkady Babchenko survived, and a few

53:08

seconds later

53:08

strange news comes in: Arkady

53:10

Babchenko—an explosion, and a few seconds later

53:12

again the broadcast says that Babchenko is taking

53:15

part in a press conference, so I mean

53:22

once again, sorry—you all went through this

53:24

a few weeks ago, all of this was

53:26

discussed, I’m sure, on Twitter and everywhere, I

53:29

it was especially much discussed, well

53:32

what can I say, it’s foolish, and even

53:37

to say that I’m glad Babchenko is alive

53:38

of course I’m glad Babchenko is alive, but I can’t

53:42

say that this story looks

53:43

very good; putting myself in the place of

53:47

Babchenko—by the way, I was followed for

53:50

some time, and these were such

53:52

obvious Chechen guys when they were tailing me

53:55

when police surveillance tails you

53:57

or the FSB (Russian security service), you can’t tell—they’re people who

53:59

at least try to hide, and it’s funny, they

54:01

change the license plates on their cars, whereas for

54:03

several months I was followed—it was

54:07

2012, I think—for several

54:12

months, it seems to me it was in 2012

54:13

they were just driving foreign cars

54:15

these shaggy-haired guys with distinctive

54:18

Beatles-style haircuts were driving around

54:22

not really hiding, BMWs and Audis and all

54:26

that sort of thing—it’s pretty unpleasant, and I

54:30

put myself in Babchenko’s place: some

54:31

representatives of the security services come to me and

54:33

say, listen, we have information that you

54:36

have been targeted, they want to kill you, and now

54:39

you have to cooperate with us if you don’t

54:42

want to get whacked, and on the one hand

54:48

there is a simple axiom

54:49

you must never trust representatives

54:51

of the security services, because they constantly, endlessly

54:55

lie—it’s part of their job. I’m not even

54:58

trying to offend

55:01

security service officers or insult them

55:02

and statistically get punished for some notes

55:05

about their activities

55:06

it’s simply a fact: disinformation, that is

55:09

lies and deceit, are their main tools

55:14

in their work, always. But of course, maybe

55:18

they’re lying—but what if they aren’t? So

55:22

the fact that, in principle,

55:23

Babchenko agreed to take part with them in

55:27

this operational game, this operational

55:29

experiment—that was the right thing. Another

55:33

matter is that

55:36

well, the way it was done, of course, all of it was not

55:39

very elegant, probably

55:40

it was staged with these theatrical effects

55:42

when Babchenko’s—I was shown

55:44

a printout—before this supposed death of his

55:47

he writes a post about his second

55:50

birthday, about how you never flew away on that

55:53

helicopter, the helicopter crashed, understanding that

55:56

tomorrow everyone would be writing, if you survive, that

55:59

Arkady wrote this before his death, we can see how

56:02

he felt—and then this appearance at the

56:04

press conference. But it’s obvious that these

56:08

dramatic devices, these theatrical

56:11

effects

56:12

probably played an even

56:17

bigger role in this than everything else. When

56:19

all this happened, we expected that there would be

56:23

some kind of explanation, some account of it, and that there would be

56:26

actual evidence

56:28

as you understand, I’m not a big

56:31

fan of the Russian security services—ask

56:33

me whether I believe that the Russian

56:36

security services carry out killings abroad

56:38

—one hundred percent. And do I believe

56:41

they killed Skripal? One hundred percent

56:43

that’s so. Do I believe they carry out

56:46

killings in Ukraine? Well, it’s kind of

56:48

pointless even to deny it. Voronenkov (Denis Voronenkov, a Russian ex-MP killed in Kyiv)

56:51

I absolutely do not rule it out, and I think

56:54

the Russian

56:56

security services were most likely involved

56:56

but what they showed us rather suggests

57:01

that you simply can’t trust anyone

57:04

you can’t trust the FSB for a second, but even less

57:09

can you trust this

57:12

SBU (Security Service of Ukraine), given that half of its

57:14

employees are undoubtedly some kind of

57:16

recruited FSB agents—well, that too

57:19

is just how history turned out. The fact that

57:21

they showed some chubby guy

57:24

who says, I

57:27

was both the client and also took part in

57:30

the operational game, and then this one—I

57:33

read an interview with this

57:35

alleged killer, who was also

57:38

part of this operational

57:40

experiment

57:41

well, ha-ha, hee-hee—none of this looks

57:45

serious or convincing at all

57:48

not in the least like some kind of mastermind, he

57:51

Putin—let’s carry out something brutal too

57:54

As a thought experiment, let's say we want

57:57

to kill Arkady Babchenko. We, as FSB officers,

58:00

want to kill Babchenko.

58:02

And do it in such a way that the blame falls on

58:05

some Ukrainians there, on Right Sector (a Ukrainian far-right nationalist group).

58:07

Well, we'd probably start by

58:11

recruiting, through some front people,

58:13

a crime boss who would

58:17

enter into some kind of relationship with Right

58:19

Sector. Right Sector would come in, or

58:21

this person would simply say: Arkady

58:24

Babchenko, you're writing posts there and

58:26

money is needed, and the price of a life there,

58:28

let's say, is $30,000. And then

58:31

two weeks later he would say: I've changed my mind,

58:33

give me back my thirty thousand dollars. But

58:35

Babchenko—well, not being a fool—would have long since

58:36

spent it. And then he would go and hire

58:39

some thugs and say: well, he doesn't want

58:41

to return the $30,000. They

58:42

would kill him, the murder would be solved, and

58:46

it would turn out that Arkady Babchenko was killed over

58:48

$30,000, some Right Sector people

58:50

and so on and so forth, Ukrainian crime.

58:52

And we'd be rubbing our hands with satisfaction, supposedly. But

58:56

would we really sit down and compile a list of

59:00

30 or 60 victims and hand it over

59:03

to some terribly strange, unhinged

59:06

fat guy who's somewhere out there

59:08

working, who then passed it on to someone else, and

59:11

then all of Ukraine

59:13

already knows who's supposedly killing whom?

59:16

Have you seen that cartoon, *The Italian Job*,

59:18

where a guy is walking along and

59:22

someone asks, Antonio, where are you going? I'm going to rob a bank.

59:24

To Roberto. Fine, I'll come with you. And so

59:27

he keeps walking, and gradually the whole town

59:29

knows that he's off to rob a bank.

59:31

Everyone supports him: Antonio, good for you,

59:33

you're going to rob a bank. That's what this is like.

59:35

This murder case is a very strange thing.

59:37

So once again,

59:39

I absolutely understand why Babchenko

59:42

cooperated with the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine); he had no

59:45

other option. But the fact that you cannot

59:50

believe a single word from the SBU, just as

59:53

you cannot believe a single word from the FSB,

59:56

is an absolute fact, and I don't think

1:00:01

that can be questioned. What we have now,

1:00:03

unfortunately, as a result,

1:00:05

is nothing good. Babchenko is alive, he stayed alive,

1:00:08

and that's the best part. But afterward,

1:00:12

what do we have? No links to the Kremlin were proven.

1:00:15

But next time, God forbid,

1:00:17

someone really is shot, and then for five days

1:00:21

instead of discussing how they were killed,

1:00:23

there will be jokes and snide comments about how

1:00:25

let's wait a bit—maybe he's actually alive

1:00:27

after all. That's exactly how it will be, you'll

1:00:30

see. That's why I'm very,

1:00:36

let's say, disappointed by the behavior of the authorities

1:00:39

in Ukraine, who staged this kind of

1:00:42

clown show, despite the fact that they undoubtedly

1:00:45

have sufficient grounds

1:00:47

to carry out this kind of work. All right, we're already

1:00:50

short on time; there are 1,200 people watching in 2018.

1:00:53

Still, I should say something

1:00:55

about the Moscow mayoral election, because

1:00:58

it was one of the two stories I was following.

1:01:02

First there was the tragic,

1:01:05

then strange story with Babchenko, and

1:01:07

then this completely surreal

1:01:11

story, really, with the nomination of a candidate

1:01:14

for the mayoral election by the Yabloko party (a Russian liberal political party).

1:01:17

Because hardly anyone

1:01:20

wrote about it in the newspapers; there was only a little about it. People

1:01:23

came to me defending it, and I was saying at night,

1:01:25

well, there are primaries going on there,

1:01:29

there's a contest between Mitrokhin and Yakubovich, and

1:01:32

Mitrokhin will win. Then bang—they tell me

1:01:37

Yakubovich won the primaries. Then Yakubovich,

1:01:40

who, if I'm not mistaken, is the head of the Tarsky district,

1:01:42

refuses to make use of his victory. What the hell?

1:01:45

Why did you run then? What was the point of any of this?

1:01:47

What new

1:01:50

circumstances could there possibly be? An hour earlier

1:01:52

you were saying: go ahead, support me,

1:01:54

I'm running for mayor. And now you're saying: I'm not ready.

1:01:58

Then he said that he had been

1:02:01

forced by the Yabloko party or something like that.

1:02:02

He stepped aside in favor of Mitrokhin. Mitrokhin

1:02:04

came in second, so obviously he should be nominated.

1:02:06

But the Yabloko party no longer wants

1:02:09

to nominate Mitrokhin; it wants to nominate Rusakova.

1:02:11

Fine—by the way, she's also an excellent candidate, just like

1:02:14

Mitrokhin. I like Mitrokhin, and Rusakova is

1:02:16

excellent too. But for some reason, the one

1:02:19

who came fourth in the primaries

1:02:21

is then approved by them at the Moscow conference.

1:02:23

They approve Rusakova, even though Mitrokhin wants it, and well—

1:02:27

that is, I understand that this is, on the one hand,

1:02:30

the life of insects,

1:02:32

and I think most of the people

1:02:34

watching this broadcast aren't interested

1:02:35

in politics; they don't even know about these

1:02:37

twists and turns. However you look at it, nobody cares.

1:02:39

But I do follow it,

1:02:42

because first of all it's the Yabloko party,

1:02:44

and second, whenever I go anywhere, people come to me

1:02:46

all the time with questions: let's unite,

1:02:48

and it's assumed that I

1:02:50

am supposed to unite, including with

1:02:52

the Yabloko party. So guys, tell me please,

1:02:54

how exactly can I unite with them?

1:02:55

I'm in favor of primaries, I want

1:02:59

primaries all the time.

1:03:00

But these people, first of all, held them inside

1:03:03

the party. In all these primaries,

1:03:06

fewer than 1,500 people took part in

1:03:08

a city of 10 million. And on top of that, damn it,

1:03:11

the winner withdrew, then the runner-up wasn't

1:03:15

approved, then they approved the fourth-place finisher, then didn't approve her either.

1:03:18

They did everything possible to drive

1:03:22

voters away from themselves. And of course we'll hear:

1:03:26

Alexei, give up your personal

1:03:29

ambitions, your egoism, your

1:03:33

narcissism, as Dmitry Peskov says

1:03:35

— Navalny is such a pathological narcissist, and...

1:03:37

Join forces with the Yabloko party? But they...

1:03:39

Democrats? What kind of democrats are they? I...

1:03:43

have a very good attitude toward them. I don't know Yakubovich,

1:03:45

he didn't seem very decent. He made

1:03:48

the right statements when there was one of

1:03:50

the rallies in support of us, but he really disappointed

1:03:51

me with his behavior. I know Mitrokhin

1:03:53

very well — he, he, he is a good man. I know Rusakova

1:03:56

fairly well too, she's excellent. But overall, this

1:03:59

structure...

1:04:00

What kind of democrats are they? How can anyone

1:04:02

join forces with them if they publicly tell their own

1:04:06

voters who took part in the primaries

1:04:08

to just go to hell,

1:04:12

that you're nobody to us, we don't care

1:04:15

about the result, and whatever you voted for — well,

1:04:17

if I join forces with them, then that means I too

1:04:21

am telling everyone to go to hell.

1:04:23

Those people will never support me. Why

1:04:25

would I need that? That's why I don't want

1:04:28

to unite — not with them, not with some

1:04:29

PARNAS either, which hasn't even nominated anyone at all,

1:04:32

and with Yavlinsky's people saying, basically, 'we're not going to

1:04:34

nominate anyone,' and with, pardon me,

1:04:39

God forgive me, Ksenia Sobchak.

1:04:42

Because they stay silent about the pension

1:04:45

age, they stay silent about VAT,

1:04:48

they supposedly want to take part in the mayoral election, but even then

1:04:50

they're participating in such a way that it looks

1:04:52

ridiculous. It only turns

1:04:56

voters away from us, and what mattered was

1:04:58

simply taking part.

1:04:59

Well, at one time, according to the official

1:05:01

figures, I got 27 percent;

1:05:03

in practice I got 30 percent. It would be possible

1:05:06

to come out strongly now and talk about

1:05:10

the Moscow mayoral election. But, sorry,

1:05:12

that once again I have to tell you the same

1:05:15

thing — it's basically a copy of what I

1:05:18

said during the presidential election. September 9 is the election,

1:05:22

and today is June 14. Which

1:05:27

of the candidates is actually fighting Moscow's mayor,

1:05:31

Sergei Sobyanin? Yashin, as I see it.

1:05:35

He's the only one who is. Who else? All the others

1:05:37

are doing God knows what.

1:05:39

I see one person. He's not in an easy position,

1:05:43

but he criticizes the authorities substantively,

1:05:45

he criticizes them on specific points, he

1:05:47

calls for primaries for a united

1:05:49

democratic candidate. So I see that he is the kind of

1:05:51

candidate who, despite being in the most difficult

1:05:53

position — he doesn't even have his own party, and

1:05:55

so on — while all these others do have parties,

1:05:58

registered or unregistered, money,

1:05:59

clearly more of everything — and they never do a damn thing.

1:06:02

Most importantly, they don't say a word against

1:06:05

Sobyanin, even though there's plenty to criticize him for.

1:06:08

You have to admit, criticizing Sobyanin — Sergei

1:06:11

Semyonovich — is exactly what they should be doing.

1:06:13

So, a huge number of

1:06:16

questions came in about the Moscow mayoral election.

1:06:17

What can I say, guys? Well, simply this:

1:06:20

since there will be no second round, you

1:06:23

need to go vote for

1:06:26

someone against Sobyanin, because no matter

1:06:28

who you vote for, if it's not for

1:06:30

Sobyanin, you lower his result. But

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honestly, right now, from what

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I see happening, there is no

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real fight at all, except Yashin. If he

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gets registered, then of course I will

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actively support his

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campaign. If he doesn't get registered, well,

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okay then. I can't be more active

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than the Moscow mayoral candidates themselves. They are silent,

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they do nothing. I very much hope, and

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that's partly why I'm speaking rather harshly

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about them right now — in order to

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push them toward some kind of active

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work. Right now, after all, no one is

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stopping you. Sure, there's the municipal filter and

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so on, but no one is stopping you from making videos

1:07:16

against Sobyanin, exposing

1:07:18

his corruption, speaking out on this

1:07:20

issue, I don't know, latching onto those

1:07:23

curbs of his that another

1:07:25

6 billion rubles effectively went into

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through procurement, looking at what's

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happening with metro construction,

1:07:32

looking into and analyzing how

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all these programs like *My Street* have actually worked.

1:07:37

Do that — that's what a candidate's job is.

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But again, nobody does a damn thing.

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Of course, that makes it look as though

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I'm constantly criticizing everyone

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because I think I'm the greatest,

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that our team is the greatest, that we in Russia

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of the Future, in the Party of Russia of the Future, are the greatest,

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and everyone else is stupid. Well, that's

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how it is — we are the best.

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Because we work. We simply

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do actual work. Look, I wasn't around for a month,

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and videos were still coming out, investigations were still being

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produced.

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Across the whole country, the campaign with sails is

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underway right now. We work, and that's why

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we are the best. You're the best for watching

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these broadcasts. Thank you very much. I've already gone

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a little over time. One more

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topic I haven't touched on but absolutely must

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mention: of course, I've written about it,

1:08:23

but I want to say once again that I support

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Oleg Sentsov's hunger strike. He must be

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released immediately.

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He is literally at death's door, and

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it cannot be otherwise. Believe

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me, when you're starving in a prison cell, it's

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a completely different experience. Probably each of

1:08:42

you has tried not eating for a day or two

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at home, refusing food. But

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believe me, in a cell it's completely

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different. So Sentsov is now alone

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in his suffering, and he is dying, and we all must

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demand

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the immediate release of him and other

1:09:02

political prisoners, both Ukrainian and

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Russian. Thank you very much for watching

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this broadcast. See you next week.

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for now

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