The final episode of Alexei Navalny’s weekly program Russia of the Future before he was poisoned with Novichok. On air, Alexei talks about the events in Belarus, which he calls historic and important for Russia, and also criticizes the Russian authorities amid the protests in Khabarovsk and the conflict over Kushtau.
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Good evening, everyone. In Moscow, it is exactly

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20:00, 8 p.m., which

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means the program is live on air,

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*Russia of the Future*, and I’m your host, Alexei

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Navalny — or, this week, the man who, as

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the Belarusian border guards, as it were, left in a puddle

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— that’s what the Tsargrad TV channel called me,

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Tsargrad, which, like many other

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official media outlets, was very pleased

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that I spoke, commented, and wrote a lot

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about the Belarus agenda — and I will continue to do so.

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For the third week in a row, my mug

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is dedicated to Belarus, and it can’t really be

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dedicated to anything else, because

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the events are truly astonishing —

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fantastic, historic, regardless

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of the outcome — and they are happening

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right now. I’m very glad that some of you are watching

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my program now, when of course everyone

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wants to watch streams from Minsk

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and get the latest news from Minsk and

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other cities about what is happening there.

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I want that too.

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But, by the way, our guys from the

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studio will keep me updated, and if something

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happens, they’ll feed it in,

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and I’ll tell you about the very latest

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events taking place in that

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country. Without a doubt, that is the main topic

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of our program today, of course:

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Belarus. So much has happened,

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but we’ll try to sort it out, more or less,

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and remember — it’s important to remember — certain

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things, at least the sequence

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of what happened, because this, well,

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directly concerns us. It is very

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instructive. The questions I’m seeing — your

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questions — are all about this:

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how will this affect Russia? Can it happen

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in Russia? What would happen in that case in

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Russia? All of this is very close to us, and we will

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discuss all of it.

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Let me remind you that you can

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become sponsors of our channel, and

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we have a link below, and through that

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link today you can send not only little ducks

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but also little KamAZ trucks that

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we drew especially for those who

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want to send them. And half of all

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donations that you send today by

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buying something with Belarus-themed

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designs, we will of course send to our

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brothers and sisters in Belarus, to those — well, to those

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fundraisers where they are collecting money for

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supporting political prisoners, supporting

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the injured, supporting families, and the new

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initiative to support striking workers — to them

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we will send half of all the money. So

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go ahead, click that link,

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send little ducks, little BelAZ trucks,

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small flags, and so on. Belarus

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is, of course, dominating the information

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space. However, I saw a very

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accurate, very instructive, and

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in some sense unpleasant meme for any

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Russian politician, and certainly for

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the Russian media. Please show that meme.

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Do you have it there? Yes, there it is.

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You see, it’s that famous kind of thing, like:

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“Opposition figure…” and then, just a moment ago,

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some other opposition figure… any Russian opposition politician,

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just recently was saying:

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“Khabarovsk, Khabarovsk, Khabarovsk…”

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that Khabarovsk is the center

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of the world, the most important political event

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in Russia — which is still true, by the way — but

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everyone has already forgotten it; everyone is discussing

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nothing but Belarus, and that

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really does seem wrong. I

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will try

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to correct this mistake that everyone is making.

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Well, strictly speaking, we are not — we do not

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ever get distracted from our Russian

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agenda. I just want to remind you once again:

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yes, we should all follow

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everything that is happening there, but also remember

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that events in our own country must not

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go unnoticed, and some

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very important events, like what is

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happening around Khabarovsk and around

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KushTau, desperately need our

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attention and informational support. If

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we do not pay attention, that will not be

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very good. But I decided to begin, nevertheless,

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with the miracle vaccine, because into

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this entire dense news agenda,

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with Khabarovsk, Belarus, and various

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global events, protests in America,

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different people are trying to wedge themselves in, including

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Vladimir Putin. And he, desperately

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seeing these information clouds, seems to have thought:

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I’ll break into them, and for that

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he came up with a mega-hit. He said that Russia

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had invented a vaccine. More than that, this vaccine

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had supposedly been tested on one of Putin’s daughters. The daughter

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was not shown. As we remember, he usually

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refers to his daughters as

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“that woman doctor” and “the other woman,” and

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basically no one understands who exactly

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they are. We all know where they work,

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we’ve seen their photographs, but Putin

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still does not want to be specific. Nevertheless,

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he apparently thinks it is perfectly

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normal to lie himself, obviously, that

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this vaccine was tested on one of his daughters,

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and in general to lie about

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the vaccine. And let me brag a little:

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remember, I already

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— this was when I was still recording from home,

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it was during the active phase

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of self-isolation — I said that this complete

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failure in the fight against the coronavirus

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— and it was unquestionably a complete failure —

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of the Russian state and Russian

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medicine, they would try to compensate for it

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with falsified statistics, but everyone still

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saw that it was a failure. They will try

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and then smooth it over with statements saying that

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it was Russia that defeated the coronavirus and

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that Russia invented the cure — that is exactly what

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happened, in fact. It really wasn’t hard

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to predict. We know that Putin

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lies constantly, that he lies outrageously,

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and of course he loves to declare

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that he has supposedly outpaced everyone, every country in the world.

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And that’s exactly what happened: two seconds later, Putin

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announces the invention of a

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miracle vaccine. As far as I know,

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this morning, for the first time in

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the world, a vaccine against

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the new coronavirus infection was registered. I know

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that this vaccine, as you said, was

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made on the basis of 1S

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viral vectors, but in my view the advantage

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is that it is based on

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a human adenoviral vector, and I

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received it myself.

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And it works — it more precisely forms

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stable

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antibody and cellular immunity. That is

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also something I know very well, since one of

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my daughters got this vaccination.

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I think that in this sense she often took part in

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the experiment. The main thing, of course, is that in

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the future we can ensure the unconditional

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safety of using this vaccine and

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its effectiveness.

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I hope that won’t be the case. The idea was very

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simple: that everyone would rejoice and cry out, “My God,”

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“a triumph of Russian science,” and on top of that

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Putin’s daughter, risking herself — just imagine —

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testing it on herself, sacrificing herself, and

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there she is, almost at death’s door, but

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still, it was Russian scientists who

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invented the vaccine, the disease is retreating,

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doctors are applauding and hugging each other,

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Russia, and Vladimir

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Putin’s family personally, have saved humanity.” The idea that

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was in the heads of the Kremlin PR people

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who came up with this whole thing was, of course,

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exactly that.

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We simply ran into and overlooked one

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simple thing: the fact is that tens of

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millions of people who, since April

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— or even earlier, for some since April,

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in fact since the beginning of the year — have simply

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been endlessly reading articles about

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the coronavirus, so all of us here have

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more or less become expert epidemiologists.

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And we all know perfectly well that vaccines against

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the coronavirus are being developed in dozens of

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countries, that there are, say, 36 laboratories

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working on them, and besides that we

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also understand very well by now the stages by which these

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vaccines

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are made and developed — this is something

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that has been discussed endlessly. And so this

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Putin-style lie that Russian

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scientists invented, registered,

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tested, and are already ready to use

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the vaccine on a mass scale — it was so obviously

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false that it provoked nothing but ridicule.

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And even the World

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Health Organization, which is very, very

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loyal to Russia, said

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something like, “What are you talking about? What vaccine? What

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exactly have you invented there?” because there cannot yet be

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the so-called third stage — that is,

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the stage with mass testing,

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the third phase, in which

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large groups of people are involved. In other words,

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vaccines are the kind of thing that

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humanity makes all the time, and there is

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a very clear protocol for how to make vaccines.

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And we have been taught by bitter experience that when

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certain drugs

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are made outside this clear protocol,

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they cause a great deal of harm. Therefore, in

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principle,

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there are plenty of laboratories that can say, “Oh, we

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have developed a vaccine” — there are tons of them. But laboratories

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that have gone through all testing stages and

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published all their reports in respectable

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proper journals — there are also many of those, but

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far fewer. In Russia, none of this

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is happening. The Doctors’ Alliance released a long video

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about this. It is important, actually,

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to understand this, because, well,

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several times I was written to by representatives

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of various state-funded organizations who

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said, basically, “We’ve been told that

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everyone will be mass-vaccinated with this

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new vaccine. What should we do — get vaccinated

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or not?” On the one hand, you don’t

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want to become anti-vaxxers and

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join that sect which

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claims that vaccines are harmful. On the other hand,

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is it necessary to do this?

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The answer is, of course: absolutely not, you must not

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get vaccinated. You should do it when the vaccine is properly

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ready. At 29 seconds, the Doctors’ Alliance

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explains that no one does it this way. It is

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necessary to conduct three phases of clinical

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trials on volunteers.

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On the official website of the World

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Health Organization, only six

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companies out of 26 are currently conducting the third

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phase. Let’s find our Gamaleya Institute here.

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Look — it is stuck at only the first

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phase of clinical trials. Carrying out

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mass vaccination with an insufficiently studied

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vaccine is the same as

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conducting experiments on people who

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do not even realize what they have

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signed up for.

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Again, 4,000 people are watching us live.

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For those who have just

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joined and are indignant, asking why I’m

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not saying anything about Minsk or about

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Belarus — I will talk about it.

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That is the main topic, but we also have Russian

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news

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that we also need to discuss. And so,

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the final, let’s say, blow that already

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destroyed it

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All of this is Putin's lie about some miraculous wonder.

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Of course, the vaccine was indeed developed.

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The newspaper *Fontanka* got hold of

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the report by those very doctors who

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— the doctors and scientists who actually created it,

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who, in fact, invented this vaccine — and

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in their report, as they are supposed to,

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they clearly and dryly describe what exactly

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they came up with, what they did, and

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what research they conducted on the matter.

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It says there directly:

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there is the term “titer,” which will be used now.

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Used.

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Putin also used it in his speech.

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A protective titer is, essentially,

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the strength of the vaccine's protection. In the official

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report it says that the protective titer

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for this miracle remedy Putin talks about

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is currently unknown.

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The duration of protection is unknown.

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Clinical trials to study and assess

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its practical effectiveness have not

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been conducted — that is what the people who

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invented this vaccine honestly write.

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But Vladimir Putin couldn't care less.

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What matters to him is saying: we were the first to invent it, we

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will start vaccinating, and we

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will save humanity from the coronavirus.

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Moreover, speaking of

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vaccination, if you are being offered

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the chance to get vaccinated, you should look at

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another page of this report, which

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has been published. There, the people who

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developed the vaccine honestly write — the specialists

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acknowledge that adverse

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events, in terms of how often they occur,

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can be classified as occurring

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frequently and very frequently. In other words, they

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honestly write that there are a great many

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side effects.

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They may occur constantly, but

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everyone keeps quiet about it and speaks only in

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some kind of triumphalist tone.

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There is no doubt that Russian

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scientists will undoubtedly make a major contribution to

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the fight against the coronavirus, and our vaccines

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will be remembered as one of the inventions of the year.

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The names of the people who fought

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the coronavirus will be written into the golden records,

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and there will be many people there

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from different countries — and ours will be among them.

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But there is no need, at the cost of

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the health of our fellow citizens, who are now

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being injected with a vaccine whose

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adverse effects occur frequently

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and very frequently, to try to help Vladimir

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Putin solve his image problems.

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The claim that we were the first to invent it,

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the first to roll it out,

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and that we already have everything ready — that is complete

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nonsense, of course. It is important to understand that. 54

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thousand people are watching us, and I have

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several questions about a rather strange word

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— Kushtau — which many of you

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may not have heard of, and that is a mistake, because what

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is happening in Bashkortostan (a republic within Russia) right now is

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potentially a protest on a scale

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possibly even bigger than... well, or at

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the very least, even now...

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Few people know about it because

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first Khabarovsk (referring to the mass protests there) consumed the entire news agenda,

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and now, naturally, Belarus

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has taken over the information agenda.

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But meanwhile, over there,

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major events are taking place.

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Banzai3476, please comment

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on the situation in Bashkortostan around Mount Kushtau and

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please tell us more about it.

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About the man appointed by Putin — Khabirov.

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Radiy Khabirov is the kind of

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corrupt official who was once

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driven out of Bashkortostan, then taken in

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and embraced by the Kremlin.

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Later, the Kremlin appointed him mayor

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of one of the small towns outside Moscow.

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He was kept there as a kind of temporary placement,

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and then, once the way was cleared, he was sent back to

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Bashkortostan. A monstrously deceitful, monstrous

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and corrupt

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person, absolutely incapable

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of organizing normal work.

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That is precisely why Bashkortostan had one of the

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biggest failures, by the way, in the fight

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against the coronavirus. You remember those

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horrific hospitals that turned into

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hotspots for the spread of the coronavirus?

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That was Bashkortostan.

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The central...

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It was the central, I think,

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the Republican Hospital in Ufa, and so

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on and so forth. I have spoken about this a lot here.

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So, in Bashkortostan right now

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the following is happening: there is

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something there called the Shikhans.

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These are real standalone mountains — there are four of them.

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These mountains are remnants — and here the important thing is

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not to get it wrong, so that later people who know

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the subject do not laugh at me,

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people who really understand geology.

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It is a reef from an ancient sea, formed

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millions of years ago, when on

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the territory where Bashkortostan is now

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an ancient sea once splashed, and

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some marvelous ichthyosaurs swam there.

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That is how these reefs were formed. Now they are solitary mountains.

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And Mount Kushtau

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has, naturally, like all such mountains,

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become something people lived beside and saw as a strange

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standalone real mountain inside which

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there are remains of that ancient

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flora and fauna of those times. Naturally,

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all such mountains acquired for local

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residents a certain sacred

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significance, which is why many people call it

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a sacred mountain.

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But they are made of a kind of limestone from which

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soda ash can be extracted.

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Soda ash can be extracted in many places, but here it is simply easier.

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all of this by simply tearing apart these

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very mountains, and one of the four such mountains

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has already been leveled, and now they want to level the hill that

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So what happens in practice is this:

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there are these oligarch guys who want

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money, and these oligarch guys

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come from the Ministry of Natural Resources

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and the leadership of Bashkiria (Bashkortostan, a republic in Russia) says there

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while some Bashkirs (the indigenous Turkic people of Bashkortostan) are running around it

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shouting, “Don’t touch our mountain,” but basically

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the mountain is money, so let’s just

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dig it up and turn all of it into soda ash

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sell the soda ash, make a ton of cash

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— why do we need this mountain anyway?

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And somehow it turned out that in this story

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the local residents do not agree with framing the issue this way

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and for several months now

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there has been a fairly active standoff going on

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involving security forces

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and, naturally, some “athletes” (a common euphemism in Russia for hired muscle)

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who are brought in and start fights with those

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people who are protecting this mountain

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But what is actually happening there is a mass

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protest movement, with fairly large demonstrations. Let’s

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watch 36 seconds of what

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the latest rally in defense of Mount Kushtau looked like

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[applause]

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We are paratroopers.

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We call on everyone to defend

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our homeland, defend our environment, and

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defend this natural monument.

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This is a really big deal, I mean

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it’s a major confrontation in a republic with

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a large population, and again, it

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echoes Belarus — Bashkiria (Bashkortostan) in terms of its

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political landscape is much the same:

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completely cleared out politically, and the territory is always

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subject to totally rigged elections

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no one is ever allowed into these elections

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it’s total lawlessness on the part of the authorities, with a super-

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rich, brazen elite that

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claims it cares about

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the interests of the people, while in reality

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it is making

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huge amounts of money for certain local oligarchs, and

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right now there is a genuinely major protest underway there

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effectively on an all-Russian scale

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So first of all, people need to keep watching it

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and second, it needs support. This is

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very, very important, and even despite

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the fact that various remarkable

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events are happening in other parts

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of the country, and in Belarus in particular, I’m

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being told, people are writing that there are

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mass protests going on there, but nothing especially

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out of the ordinary is happening there yet, so

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66,000 people, stay with me

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and don’t switch over to the live feed

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directly from Minsk

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I almost forgot — a user with the nickname More

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is worried and asks what happened to your background

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Alexei, that’s the main question today

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Indeed, we updated our background. It is

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still made up of homes — the cities where

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you, my dear viewers, live — but we

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made it more three-dimensional. Great, well

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let’s put it this way: it so happened that we

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today, let’s dedicate the change of our

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background to the amazing, astonishing

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events we have seen, the events

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of the past several weeks, which

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for those watching, have practically just

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flowed one into another from the perspective of Russia

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First, Khabarovsk was astonishing, and then

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even more astonishing was what

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has been happening in Belarus. It’s incredible.

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I understand that it may seem a little

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funny that I’m dedicating the change of our

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background specifically to these events, but

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let me dedicate it to all those brave people who

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went out into the streets of cities to

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the east of us and to the west of us, and

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who powerfully surprised everyone — Khabarovsk

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has been protesting for 34 days now

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in a row

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Protest is the kind of thing that stays alive

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when people pay attention to it

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when people protest

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they walk the streets, they show both

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themselves and others by their actions, so they are not just

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expressing that protest — they are also

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desperately, desperately in need of

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informational support, especially when

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it is not in Russia’s spotlight, especially now

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when, well, I don’t even know — independent media

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independent politicians, opposition

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politicians have stopped paying attention

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because something more

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interesting has come up, fully in line with the

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meme I used to open the broadcast

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Khabarovsk has been marching for 34 days in a row — that is

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magnificent. They came out on Saturday, and they

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are still continuing to come out every

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day, although right now we are seeing

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the implementation of what was

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a fairly obvious forecast I

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talked about: they would wait until

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little by little

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public attention weakened, and as soon as

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it did weaken, several

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people were arrested and jailed for 15

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days. That’s exactly what is happening, so

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it is extremely important to keep following all of this

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Well, and in fact, what

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is happening internally is, of course, still

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fueling the protest, and

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perhaps the Kremlin’s hopes, or the hopes

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of those who would like the protests in Khabarovsk

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to stop, these protest actions

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that Governor Degtyaryov would somehow prove himself

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in some way

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make a few foolish

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moves, then make a few sensible ones and

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somehow compensate for it, have absolutely not

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come true

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In fact, Governor Furgal

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who was arrested — when he came in, he made

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two very popular decisions that

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You brought him down right away.

21:58

to the very peak of people's affection, people's love, and...

22:02

and everyone said, what a great guy, well, these were such

22:04

obvious things, but you did them, so what a

22:06

good job. First of all, he banned officials from

22:09

flying business class, and that really

22:12

had been irritating everyone, because Khabarovsk is far away

22:13

tickets are expensive, and people are forced to rely heavily

22:18

on air travel

22:19

because otherwise you can't get anywhere.

22:21

People really suffer from the fact that

22:23

tickets are expensive, and then officials say,

22:25

you know, we're also going to fly business class to

22:27

Khabarovsk. That infuriated everyone, and Furgal

22:30

canceled it and was supported for it.

22:33

And the next thing—they had this

22:35

local issue, a very strange one. Once,

22:38

the previous administration bought a yacht. I mean,

22:41

you'll see, because, well,

22:43

there's no sea nearby, apparently, but they

22:45

bought a genuinely huge personal

22:47

yacht for an enormous amount of money, and that too

22:50

naturally drove local residents

22:52

absolutely up the wall—they were

22:54

very unhappy. Furgal said, basically, I

22:57

don't understand why the administration needs

23:00

a yacht. I'll sell this yacht, and he put

23:04

it up for auction. People liked that too.

23:07

What does Degtyaryov do? He reverses

23:09

both decisions. First, he brings back

23:12

the possibility of this project to me

23:14

show me—show me first the part about

23:17

[music]

23:18

business class.

23:20

At first, fine, he cancels this

23:23

ban on using business class, and this

23:25

was explained by—I saw funny,

23:27

really funny comments from various officials

23:29

who said Degtyaryov did this because

23:31

you know, it's the only

23:33

opportunity for officials to get some sleep, well,

23:36

they work so much, they're such

23:38

hard workers, they have sleepless nights, they're out there

23:40

walking around Khabarovsk, fixing things, solving

23:43

people's problems, and then with such red

23:45

and inflamed eyes they end up on the

23:47

plane.

23:48

They get business class, a big reclining

23:51

seat, they're poured champagne, they drink it,

23:53

and then that's the only, the only

23:55

chance for them to get some sleep. So there you go—

23:58

Degtyaryov brought back their chance to sleep, which

24:01

made people in Khabarovsk very angry, and

24:03

he withdrew this yacht from auction. It had been listed,

24:07

really—well, a yacht in

24:09

Khabarovsk.

24:10

In the Russian Far East, it was a strange

24:13

exotic thing. Sure, you can

24:14

sail on the Amur River, of course, but still

24:16

it's still a rather strange, exotic

24:18

thing, so, well...

24:19

It's not as if there were huge numbers of people wanting to buy it.

24:22

You can't say there were. It could have been

24:24

moved elsewhere and resold; in that case they would have

24:26

sold it, but the officials didn't want to

24:29

sell it.

24:30

And now Degtyaryov has decided to keep it in

24:35

regional ownership, but effectively at the

24:38

disposal of himself.

24:40

Using the favorite trick of Khabarovsk

24:43

officials—and federal officials in general,

24:45

but Khabarovsk ones especially—you'll

24:47

see why in a second—they brought out children, and the children

24:51

you see, some kind of children's school there

24:53

declared that, dear

24:54

Uncle Misha, we ask that this yacht be

24:57

given to us, the kids, and we, the kids, will

25:00

sail on it along the Amur River. Oh, let's

25:03

watch this video.

25:06

Mikhail Vladimirovich, we are addressing you

25:09

with a very unusual request. So, who are we?

25:12

I am the director of the regional education center, I am

25:15

a student and an activist in the Russian Schoolchildren's Movement,

25:17

I am Viktor Liman, a 6th-grade

25:20

student.

25:20

I am the chair of the parents' committee.

25:23

Katseva, Pavel Krupkin. As of today,

25:26

we know that the fate of a very

25:29

interesting asset is being decided: the boat *Victoria*, and

25:33

we would very much like it not to go

25:37

to officials and not to leave Khabarovsk Krai (region)

25:39

but to go to our children. The regional education center

25:42

includes IT-Cube and Quantorium (children's technology education programs)

25:45

it is a center for gifted children from all across

25:47

Khabarovsk Krai, and it would be very

25:49

interesting for us, in our Quantorium,

25:52

and in other projects, to have such an

25:56

extraordinary, amazing vessel.

26:00

Right—a vessel, a huge luxury yacht.

26:05

Its upkeep costs 1 million

26:07

rubles (about US$11,000) .

26:08

And now it's supposedly being given to us for this

26:09

some kind of Quantorium thing, so the kids can

26:12

ride around on it. I mean, this is absolutely

26:13

fake, of course, and for every resident of Khabarovsk

26:16

it's one hundred percent obvious that this is fake

26:18

because before this they

26:21

had another scandal of a different kind where, in the end,

26:24

kids were involved too. There was a

26:26

bathhouse.

26:27

An elite bathhouse that was attached to a

26:30

sports center, and all the officials used to go there.

26:32

Mikhail Degtyaryov was saying, why do we even need

26:34

a bathhouse at all? And at some point this center

26:39

together with the bathhouse was put up for sale because

26:42

basically it's not the state's job

26:44

to maintain various centers and bathhouses. I mean,

26:46

it's rather strange that this is being kept

26:48

on the state balance sheet, so they decided

26:49

to sell it. And for that too they brought out

26:53

special children who said

26:56

along with coaches who came out and said

26:57

let's keep this facility because we,

27:00

the athletes and the athletes' children, need

27:02

to steam our bones too so that

27:04

we can score goals and hit pucks better there. Let's

27:07

watch—just a second—about sports, boxing...

27:13

I want to give a small example about

27:16

For 10 days in the city of Khabarovsk

27:18

the junior team held a training camp

27:22

of the Russian national boxing team

27:25

or rather, three members of the Russian national team,

27:26

that is, the elite of junior boxing, and for

27:29

the 10 days of this training camp in the city of

27:31

Khabarovsk, they had, as I see it, four

27:35

recovery activities, that is,

27:37

a banya (Russian steam bath), a little massage, a bit of

27:40

speed work. So why am I saying this?

27:45

Because our sports infrastructure in Khabarovsk

27:47

has gained the opportunity

27:48

to go outdoors and carry out

27:51

recovery activities at this

27:55

facility. It is simply absolutely

27:58

wonderful, and I think sport would

28:04

keep developing further and further in this direction.

28:09

"Recovery activities" sounds freaking

28:12

amazing. "Recovery activities"—I wonder what that

28:14

actually means. Well, obviously the officials there

28:16

asked

28:17

an actual athlete: "Come here, say something

28:19

so they’ll keep it in public ownership." And he

28:21

said it, and the bathhouse was kept in public ownership. It

28:23

still belongs to city hall, and in it, still,

28:25

officials keep steaming away. And here too

28:28

Degtyaryov pulled out some children who

28:30

said, "Please keep this in

28:32

public ownership, this amazing vessel," that is,

28:35

a huge yacht, and they will keep it in

28:37

public ownership because Degtyaryov already

28:39

liked the idea from the children not to sell the yacht,

28:42

and they will keep it, and people will continue

28:44

riding on it. I’ll interrupt my

28:48

story about what is happening in Khabarovsk

28:50

because we need to turn to Belarus

28:53

and to Orenburg, because it is precisely in

28:55

Orenburg—show us the photo—there

28:57

right now, unexpectedly, people came out and formed

29:00

a huge human chain in solidarity with

29:02

Belarus, with Minsk, and that is very cool.

29:04

It’s great that this is happening, and we hope

29:07

that it will happen in other

29:09

Russian cities as well. And because of that,

29:13

I’ll talk about it in more detail, of course, in the

29:16

later part of the program where I’ll be

29:18

talking about Belarus. But you can really

29:21

feel inside Russia a general

29:25

desire to help Belarusians,

29:29

that kind of desire. I mean, there was

29:32

something similar during the events in Ukraine and so on,

29:33

but there was still at least some split in

29:36

Russian

29:36

society. Now, it seems to me, there is definitely

29:39

this kind of consolidation: everyone really wants

29:42

and wishes Belarusians well, and that goodwill is

29:46

connected precisely with the movement that is now

29:47

taking place, and that is why it is so encouraging.

29:49

By the way, about Orenburg, I was asked

29:51

a question—I see it here too—whether there will ever be

29:53

Smart Voting in Orenburg. I’m not ready

29:55

to say off the top of my head right now; we have

29:58

Timofey Platonov asking there

30:01

whether there will ever be Smart Voting in

30:03

the Orenburg region.

30:04

If there are elections to the regional legislative assembly or to the

30:06

city council,

30:07

I don’t remember offhand, and I won’t lie, but of course there will be.

30:09

Of course, in all major cities

30:11

there will be Smart Voting candidates.

30:13

Register. But the main thing we see

30:15

is that in Orenburg there are definitely people who

30:17

absolutely need Smart Voting.

30:20

If they are even supporting Belarus,

30:22

then they certainly will not

30:24

oppose the liberation of Orenburg from

30:27

the United Russia occupiers, so

30:29

that’s really great—well done.

30:31

I’ll go back now, jump back,

30:34

fly across the whole country, jump

30:36

from west to east.

30:37

Khabarovsk—there, in conditions where

30:42

the media spotlights stopped being directed

30:45

at this city, as I already said, this is a kind of

30:47

slow, creeping counterrevolution: people began

30:49

to be detained, arrested, and once again

30:52

they are pushing the theme that outsiders,

30:56

some kind of sinister international forces,

30:58

are involved. And again, there is this peculiar new

31:00

thing with children: here, our grandpas got the yacht back,

31:04

the grandpas didn’t want

31:07

the state-owned bathhouse to be sold, and then there

31:09

arrived some astonishing

31:11

in Khabarovsk

31:11

female defender, absolutely wild,

31:13

quite clearly someone who was actively

31:16

shown and quoted on

31:18

the federal TV channels.

31:19

They even cobbled together a whole segment around her, and

31:22

she was saying that these are international

31:25

forces, that children are being used by sinister

31:28

protest organizers. Let’s take a look.

31:30

It’s a minute and a half, but it’s exactly the kind of

31:32

important nonsense that nevertheless

31:35

shows the Kremlin’s general idea of how

31:38

Khabarovsk is supposed to be covered.

31:41

I have a lot of questions here. Why has Putin

31:44

been silent about the situation in Khabarovsk for

31:45

a month already? Rambler users are asking.

31:47

He is not commenting at all. What can he say—that people

31:49

have risen up against me? First they kind of

31:52

send out these kinds of

31:54

auntie-type women in order to deceive

31:56

everyone at first, and only later will Putin speak.

31:57

A wild woman: in the heat and in pouring rain, in

32:00

the crowd on the streets of Khabarovsk, adults walk

32:02

together with their children, both teenagers

32:04

and little kids, in the rain.

32:06

There was such heat—how could we

32:09

know whether the child would not

32:11

need rescuing or would not be exposed

32:13

to heatstroke?

32:14

There is another threat to life and health.

32:18

According to this public figure, the danger is that in

32:19

a crowd, small children may simply not be

32:21

noticed, whether by pedestrians or

32:23

drivers. In order to keep the protest heated up, in order to attract

32:25

attention to the protest,

32:28

universal attention not only at the

32:30

Russian level, but also internationally

32:32

of course, it is possible that someone will need

32:34

victims, and those victims, first and foremost,

32:37

could be children

32:38

therefore, I would like to call on all

32:40

parents to act prudently

32:43

members of the public, clergy,

32:45

healthcare representatives, and ombudsmen are already saying

32:47

that parents themselves have seen the other

32:49

side of such mass events: children

32:51

are being used for propaganda by the organizers

32:53

of the rally. A parent

32:57

materials were used about the black-clad people when

33:01

children were simply crossing the street while a

33:04

procession was passing by; these moments were captured

33:06

and as of today, the only way to protect

33:08

their own interests and the interests of their children is through

33:10

a court ruling

33:11

those, however, who voluntarily bring children with them

33:13

according to human rights advocates, not only

33:15

violate the principles of the Convention on the Rights

33:16

of the Child, but may also face criminal

33:18

liability

33:19

because of the risk to which a minor is exposed

33:21

the most astonishing thing is that

33:25

this gathering of nomenklatura-style

33:26

crooks, this bureaucratic clique, sits there and

33:30

they call themselves not

33:31

human rights defenders, while little

33:33

pedestrians may go unnoticed

33:36

by vehicles or by protesters, I mean

33:38

it is simply disgustingly hypocritical nonsense, but

33:41

it is being said because something has to be

33:44

said, and

33:45

they need to talk about international forces

33:47

because the slogans being heard now

33:50

in Khabarovsk after thirty-four, thirty-five

33:52

thirty-four days are really

33:54

an absolutely unprecedented thing for

33:56

Russia; in fact, even by global

33:59

standards, this is quite a rare thing,

34:01

for it to go on for a whole month, and even to bring in

34:03

in a single city, literally one separate city

34:05

such momentum — that practically never happens, and

34:07

the slogans sound very radical there

34:10

and, by the way, one slogan was directly

34:13

borrowed from Belarus: 10 seconds

34:15

that was chanted at the latest rally

34:20

[music]

34:29

Putin, 2 percent — the same direct copy

34:32

lifted from “three-percent Lukashenko,” and in general

34:35

it has been very interesting to watch this

34:37

how Belarusian flags are appearing in Khabarovsk

34:39

while in Belarus, at the

34:41

protests there, Khabarovsk has been noticed many times

34:44

and the flags are this kind of, well,

34:46

really, in both places the situation at some

34:50

point looked hopeless, but in

34:52

Khabarovsk it now looks very

34:54

difficult, while three days ago, on Sunday, in

34:58

Minsk it all looked as though

35:00

there was no hope at all, not even close, and now

35:03

people are reminding each other of Nevsky

35:05

Khabarovsk — they have become sister cities there

35:08

brother cities, and another slogan that

35:11

is now the most popular

35:12

slogan at the Khabarovsk protests

35:14

and it is precisely because of it that Putin does not want

35:19

to say anything — he does not know what to say and does not even

35:21

understand from which angle to look at it

35:32

uh

35:48

[applause]

35:57

what can you even say here — how do you want

35:59

Putin to comment on this, when

36:01

there have, by the way, always been in Khabarovsk

36:03

relatively large

36:06

protest actions; when we held the first

36:08

“He Is Not Dimon to You” rally, a large march came out in Khabarovsk

36:10

there was a large column there that personally

36:13

surprised me, but here you cannot say that this is

36:17

youths or schoolchildren, because

36:19

the scale is too large, and any

36:22

person can see that these are simply the most

36:23

ordinary people, most often middle-aged

36:28

or older than middle-aged; they come out

36:29

and chant, “Putin has nothing to say in response,” and

36:33

he does not want to discuss it at all, so

36:35

he is waiting for it to die out on its own; apparently they are not

36:39

sitting in the Kremlin discussing it — “they cannot

36:41

go on forever, can they? They cannot keep

36:43

marching forever; it will become very

36:45

cold there very soon,” so they are waiting until we

36:48

stop paying attention, until in

36:50

Khabarovsk people stop marching, in order

36:53

to smother everything there. Khabarovsk,

36:55

stay strong, we are with you. Strike action — now I

36:58

am moving on to discuss Minsk, and the key thing

37:00

happening there right now is

37:02

of course the strike movement. I

37:05

have been saying for several weeks in a row that

37:08

Khabarovsk, pay attention: a strike

37:11

may seem difficult, but it really

37:14

is not a simple mechanism, but first of all

37:18

it is fairly safe for

37:19

participants, and if you set it in motion and

37:22

start doing it, then you simply grab the authorities

37:25

by the throat immediately — that is very important, and

37:29

well, at the very least this issue needs to be

37:31

studied. So, Khabarovsk, stay strong. 81

37:35

thousand people are watching us live

37:37

I

37:39

am moving on to discuss our brotherly

37:41

republic, thanks to these absolutely

37:45

truly amazing people. They will be written about

37:48

in textbooks. This is not some kind of

37:51

completely astonishing shift that

37:53

appeared out of nowhere — not even close

37:56

no, it did not appear out of nowhere

37:57

because throughout all these events there was

37:59

the largest Telegram channel in Belarus

38:02

one of the largest media outlets, one of those

38:04

openly opposition ones, but what

38:06

is happening with them now, how they have become

38:07

the de facto organizers of all this, is

38:10

absolutely astonishing. So

38:11

thanks to them, we are now in huge numbers

38:14

watching various videos from

38:16

In Belarus, just before

38:18

the program, a short little

38:21

video appeared from the town of Smorgon

38:24

that someone posted on Instagram. I want

38:26

to begin my story at the end, with this

38:29

video. I want to show it because

38:34

it answers many, many questions

38:37

— questions like whether the army will

38:39

open fire, whether victory is possible,

38:42

whether there is light at the end of the tunnel, and so on.

38:44

This video shows what it all looks like

38:46

in the small town of Smorgon, where

38:48

troops were brought in,

38:51

what the military does. Here are the troops, and here are

38:54

the protesters, and what happens when

38:56

the military meets these protesters.

38:59

Smorgon, Belarus

39:03

This is something extraordinary, really.

39:19

It is truly the best kind of thing,

39:21

the kind that brings you to tears, because it shows that

39:24

not everyone in uniform is the kind of hellish fascist

39:29

we have been watching in shock over

39:31

the past week. We did not expect to see

39:33

anything good come out of these clashes.

39:35

What happened was beyond the pale.

39:38

And this morning we saw that people in uniform

39:40

can be completely different. They say outright:

39:42

we swore an oath to this people. At last,

39:45

that phrase was spoken: we swore allegiance

39:47

not to that mustached man,

39:49

not to his evidently deranged interior minister,

39:51

not to some generals,

39:54

not to anyone else — we swore an oath to the people.

39:56

And this is obvious. They are saying in Zhodino

39:59

— where, in fact, I am simply going

40:02

to share my thoughts about what

40:04

is happening, go over the chronology, and

40:06

give you the latest news about what

40:09

is happening in Belarus, so that those

40:11

who do not watch all the streams I do

40:14

can still follow along — and in

40:16

Zhodino, which is now a very

40:18

important city,

40:21

a strike is taking place there.

40:23

BelAZ began striking there, and earlier today

40:29

the beginning of this protest was shown. Then

40:31

the Belarusian state media said:

40:33

oh, everyone has returned to work.

40:35

Why did they return? Because the mayor

40:38

of the city promised that at eight o’clock

40:40

in the evening he would come to the strikers and meet

40:45

with them in a large gathering. We were just discussing

40:47

that I would start the program at 8 p.m. and

40:50

that there probably would be no meeting.

40:52

My guess was that he would deceive them and not come.

40:53

But he came. And let us see what

40:56

the people are chanting at the most

40:59

famous enterprise in Belarus, which, by the way,

41:02

is one of the genuinely profitable

41:04

enterprises that supplies

41:07

equipment to the West as well. In other words, this is

41:10

not some failing enterprise — this is a place where workers

41:14

earn decent money and it brings profit

41:17

to its shareholders. Zhodino.

41:24

And

41:28

sky

41:35

this is

41:36

[applause]

41:39

Riot police

41:40

out of the city, and let them out — that is what the people are chanting,

41:43

the people working at BelAZ are chanting.

41:45

This is the very heart, the core of Lukashenko’s entire regime.

41:49

I will show more videos,

41:51

including some amazing ones from today

41:53

featuring labor collectives, and this is

41:55

of course a real game changer. Pasha Bulakhov

41:58

asks whether Lukashenko might hold on.

42:01

We hope not.

42:04

And today’s videos specifically from the factories

42:06

of course give the greatest

42:10

hope for that, because previously it was believed

42:12

by everyone — and above all by

42:14

Lukashenko himself, and by Russian

42:17

commentators, and the Russian authorities,

42:19

and all the others — that

42:21

I have many questions here.

42:23

About the position of the Communists — Ilya Baronov asks:

42:26

what

42:27

Alexei, how do you feel about

42:29

the fact that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation supports

42:30

Lukashenko? The CPRF issued a statement

42:34

saying that working people are for Lukashenko,

42:37

because, well, blah blah blah, the workers

42:39

and all that. Though not all Communists, by the way.

42:41

Rashkin, for example, released

42:44

an excellent statement today saying, you know, I am on

42:46

the side of the people.

42:47

If the police are beating the people, then I understand

42:49

that something is going wrong. But overall,

42:51

the CPRF is generally for Alexander Grigoryevich (Alexander Lukashenko),

42:53

because, supposedly, the working man loves him. And

42:55

why do I call this a game changer?

42:57

Because the working man is now in the city of

43:00

Zhodino

43:01

standing in the square and chanting. A real

43:04

working man — literally,

43:06

a man who was standing there at the conveyor belt,

43:08

wiped his hands,

43:11

with some oily rag, and said:

43:14

come on, guys. He walked out, and he is not chanting

43:17

‘Lukashenko’ or anything like that,

43:19

not saying ‘let’s go beat up the hipsters,’ not repeating

43:21

that nonsense which, excuse me, was once

43:25

sold to us as the truth: that workers

43:27

from Uralvagonzavod (a major Russian tank and railcar manufacturer) would come to Moscow and

43:29

clear everyone out. No — they come out and say: riot police,

43:32

out of the city, because enough of

43:34

detaining us. And let them out — that is,

43:36

release all those people who were

43:37

arrested. And earlier today, according to official Belarusian statements,

43:41

6,700 people

43:49

had been arrested and detained in Belarus. That is

43:51

a great many people, and

43:54

after all, this is a country with a population

43:55

of under 10 million. All of

43:57

Belarus is smaller than Moscow. It is as if in

43:59

Russia, imagine if they arrested

44:02

300,000 people — three hundred thousand people — in

44:06

On the scale of Russia, Belarus has just been given that.

44:08

These are arrests on such a massive scale, I mean, everyone

44:11

knows someone who has an acquaintance

44:13

or a relative who has been arrested, and that alone

44:16

of course, is very important. Alexei,

44:18

please comment on the statement

44:19

by the popular Belarusian singer Max

44:21

Korzh.

44:22

What do you think he meant, and how

44:24

do you feel about the fact that he pushed your

44:25

comment down? It seems to me he didn’t delete my

44:27

comment — it just moved

44:28

down.

44:29

And, by the way, I don’t think everyone should

44:34

pile onto Max Korzh and somehow

44:36

drag him through the mud. He just may have

44:39

phrased his thought not very successfully,

44:41

and he did call for peaceful

44:46

protests.

44:46

And that was the right thing to do. He also refers to

44:48

and talks a lot about the Armenian experience, but

44:52

the thing is,

44:53

sometimes an unfortunate choice of words in a situation

44:57

when everyone is completely on edge, furious, and everyone

44:59

is speaking from one side or another

45:01

— and that’s understandable, you have to take a side: are you for

45:03

these people or those? It seems to me that given the fact

45:06

that Korzh, right before

45:10

the election, released a song that, well,

45:13

spoke rather indirectly — and by the way, people don’t write how to stress Korzh’s name,

45:16

Max Korzh — sorry,

45:20

please.

45:22

Right before the election, he

45:24

released a song that can certainly

45:27

be interpreted as, well, a kind of support for

45:29

Tikhanovskaya and for people in general, and as fairly

45:32

anti-Lukashenko, and so I

45:34

I think that in my comment

45:38

I wrote exactly that: it was poorly

45:40

worded, that’s all. And he really

45:41

did phrase it badly. But it seems to me —

45:44

I don’t know him personally — that he’s a good

45:46

person, and most likely he is on the side of the people. I

45:48

have no doubt that his position will somehow

45:50

become completely clear. Here’s a strange

45:54

question, but still — all right, look,

45:56

Platonov asks Alexei: what do you think about

45:57

Dud’s post? And should he

45:59

go to the scene and cover

46:01

the protests? The post is excellent. Dud addressed

46:05

riot police officers, police officers,

46:08

but why should he go there and

46:11

cover the protests? That too is a rather

46:13

strange idea. He is a Russian citizen;

46:16

he can speak out. I’m also a citizen of

46:18

Russia — should I be there? I say quite

46:21

openly and without hesitation whom I

46:23

support. I transferred money and publicly

46:26

wrote about it —

46:28

for the treatment of the injured, for all these things, and

46:30

if they start raising money to support

46:32

the strikers, I will definitely send them

46:34

my own.

46:35

Those would be, in fact, Russian rubles, and

46:37

Lukashenko could say, “See, that’s where

46:38

the foreign money is.” But what is there

46:42

to do there?

46:42

Should people — or should I — go cover a rally? No,

46:44

a person should be doing

46:46

their own work, and in that sense these

46:49

seem to me like rather strange complaints. Well,

46:51

let’s go back, rewind — it feels like

46:54

it was really a very long time ago, a week

46:58

ago, I ended the program on a kind of

47:00

sad and solemn note, saying that

47:03

Belarusians, hang in there, things are going to be

47:05

very hard, because it was clear

47:06

to everyone that they were not, of course, going to vote

47:09

for Tikhanovskaya in the official count, mostly, and we

47:12

didn’t really expect there to be such a

47:13

level of voting for her, but we understood

47:15

that Lukashenko definitely did not get anything even close

47:18

to 80 percent, after which he would

47:21

rig the election, people would take to the streets, they

47:24

had said so, and basically everyone on

47:26

Tikhanovsky’s side — Tikhanovsky himself, sitting in prison —

47:31

his whole concept was that

47:33

the election should be boycotted because

47:35

everyone was sure they would not

47:36

register anyone, and Lukashenko

47:39

tried to fool everyone and

47:40

registered Tikhanovskaya, his wife. But he

47:42

said that regardless — that is,

47:44

even if no one is asking us to — we will boycott

47:46

this election, but we will go out into the streets and we will

47:49

not recognize it. Therefore,

47:51

whether participation or boycott, in any case

47:54

the Belarusian opposition said that on the

47:56

night after the vote people would come out, and we all

47:57

understood that they would be beaten. That was, basically,

48:00

a fairly simple, banal, and

48:03

obvious forecast: people would go out, unhappy, and they would

48:05

simply be beaten on Lukashenko’s orders, and

48:07

in fact this had been made clear in advance —

48:09

the sides had effectively spelled it out. Lukashenko

48:13

said it, his interior minister

48:14

said it, I showed you the address

48:16

— the protesters said they would go out, and

48:19

knowing how militarized the Belarusian side is,

48:20

we understood that nothing good would come

48:22

of it. And in fact that is exactly

48:24

what happened. And moreover, already on

48:29

election day, around midday, across the republic

48:31

they shut down the internet so that

48:34

everything would be clear to everyone: Lukashenko’s real percentage

48:38

was so low

48:40

that he wanted no communication whatsoever

48:43

between people. He did not want these

48:45

protocols, these tally sheets, and people saw that at several

48:49

polling stations there had in fact been no

48:50

falsification. He did not want there to be

48:52

any communication at all. And for Lukashenko, as

48:54

was rightly said by

48:55

Nilov on the program, what mattered to him was

48:57

a blitzkrieg — that is, it was necessary to

49:01

act fast. They were standing ready,

49:02

at eight in the evening; from nine people would start coming out,

49:06

we’ll crush them, we’ll beat them, we’ll...

49:09

We are intimidating people; we are ready for this, Lukashenko said.

49:12

Dmitry Navosha, quite rightly, was preparing for this.

49:14

One of the best of them, the editor-in-chief

49:16

of Sports.ru, himself Belarusian, understands very well

49:19

what is going on there, and one of the best commentators

49:20

on what is happening there.

49:21

He wrote, absolutely correctly, that Lukashenko

49:23

was not preparing for an election; he was preparing for

49:25

war. He was ready to have everyone beaten

49:28

on the day after the election, to intimidate them, and

49:30

essentially that was the point. But look at the tone

49:32

he used.

49:33

He spoke at the press conference, well,

49:37

once everything had already become clear, when it was already

49:39

after the internet had been shut down.

49:40

He gave a press conference. The only

49:42

decent journalist there was from Deutsche Welle,

49:44

and he asked him the right question:

49:46

look at how brazenly Lukashenko answered then.

49:47

Why, as the sitting head

49:50

of state, do you allow such

49:51

unprecedented pressure on your

49:53

main opponent right now, Svetlana

49:55

Tikhanovskaya? “I have four main

49:58

opponents.”

49:59

“I do not consider this person my main

50:03

competitor. It was you who made her

50:06

that poor woman into the main competitor, and she

50:09

sincerely admits herself that she

50:11

does not understand where she has ended up, why she

50:13

got there, or what to do at all. So there is no need

50:17

to inflame the situation here. And you too,

50:19

Deutsche Welle,”

50:20

“No one has carried out any repressions in violation

50:24

of the law, and no one will.

50:27

Obey the law, follow

50:31

the law, and all this talk about

50:34

repression or anything else will disappear. The law, and

50:37

nothing but the law. If you break it,

50:40

we will respond. And so far we have responded mildly,”

50:43

“mildly. And honestly, I have always

50:46

held back the law enforcement agencies. There was no need

50:50

for them to go further. I told my people: they are not worth

50:53

taking any

50:56

repressive measures against. Sorry for letting you in on

51:00

that secret.”

51:01

“They are worth nothing politically.”

51:04

That is already there: we will shut off the internet,

51:07

like, the police want

51:10

to beat them, but I will tell them to beat them only a little,”

51:13

and the vilest thing in this speech

51:15

is that Lukashenko and Putin always literally

51:17

repeat this line: just

51:19

obey the law. That is, they invented

51:23

completely repressive laws, they took away

51:26

all rights, but it is still something written

51:28

on a piece of paper. They say: we wrote it

51:30

down on paper.

51:30

Obey the law, and if you do not want to,

51:34

we will crush you. And so the lesson here

51:37

for everyone, the important thing, is to stop

51:41

repeating this filth ourselves and stop listening to it. And when

51:43

others say again, “obey the law,” the answer

51:45

to that is: go to hell with

51:48

your laws. I say this as a lawyer,

51:51

you understand, because these are not laws,

51:54

they are complete filth.

51:56

The fact that they came up with them through

51:58

an illegitimate Duma (the lower house of Russia’s parliament)

51:59

or, in Belarus, through

52:01

an illegitimate Supreme Council,

52:03

does not change the fact that these absolutely repressive laws take away

52:05

rights, and then they tell us: obey the laws.

52:07

We must not obey them. If a law says

52:10

that you do not have the right

52:12

to go out into the street, then that law

52:13

simply contradicts our basic

52:16

inalienable rights. If a law

52:19

contradicts the fact that we are human beings with rights,

52:21

then it is no law at all. An unjust

52:23

law must not be obeyed. Obeying an

52:26

unjust law is precisely the most

52:28

real, genuine crime.

52:31

So, they shut down the internet, and then

52:34

a star emerged, of course — these wonderful

52:37

people. As I said at the beginning, this program is about

52:39

them; textbooks will be written about them. Three

52:41

young men — as I understand it, based in Poland —

52:43

they have a Telegram channel. It

52:45

was already large then, already one of

52:47

the biggest media outlets in Belarus, and at that time it had

52:50

400,000 subscribers. Now, I think,

52:53

it is already around 2 million. The last time I

52:55

looked, it was 1.7 million. So

52:56

it has been growing at simply colossal,

52:59

colossal speed. And in a situation

53:02

where truly everything there had been

53:05

completely wiped out — I mean, literally everything there

53:07

had been destroyed, everyone jailed, and it was unclear what

53:10

could be done — this Telegram channel, in many ways,

53:13

well, as it looked from Moscow, at least,

53:14

probably,

53:15

people who are in Minsk

53:17

may correct me or say that

53:19

events unfolded a little differently,

53:20

but unquestionably one of the organizing

53:24

roles

53:25

belonged, of course, to this Telegram channel

53:27

and this team.

53:29

They, first of all, especially starting on

53:32

Tuesday, began clearly broadcasting the message:

53:34

we go out, we declare a strike. And already

53:37

from election day itself, they

53:39

very clearly and explicitly pushed the idea:

53:41

we go out. Also because

53:43

the few official leaders

53:46

who remained

53:47

could not say this out loud.

53:49

Tikhanovskaya could not come out and say,

53:51

“Guys,”

53:52

“let’s go out into the streets,” because the very next

53:54

second her head would have been smashed

53:57

with a baton, and she herself would have been sitting in a cell

53:59

together with all the members of her campaign staff.

54:01

So she could not say it. It was

54:03

the Telegram channel that said it, and everyone

54:06

understood that, so they went out.

54:08

That, of course, was absolutely crucial.

54:11

The thing is this:

54:14

well, which happened in part

54:17

thanks to this Telegram channel,

54:20

people understood what the result there had been.

54:23

What is distinctive about Belarus, and about

54:26

this situation in particular, is that nobody knows

54:29

what the real election result actually was.

54:31

There is not a single person there—not

54:32

the Belarusian KGB, not Lukashenko,

54:36

not the observers, not those women

54:38

teachers on the election commissions—nobody

54:40

knows the election results. Nobody.

54:42

Because the polling organizations

54:43

have been destroyed, and exit polls are banned.

54:46

The elections are falsified in such a way

54:49

that there is no—as I have explained many times

54:50

about our elections—guys, you are mistaken

54:52

if you think that Putin has

54:54

something like a white folder

54:56

and a black folder, and in the white folder—or

54:59

maybe in the black one—is the fabricated

55:01

result, while in the white folder there is

55:03

the real result, and he opens it. That is not

55:06

how it works. What happens is, these teachers stuff ballots

55:08

and write down

55:09

"we have 90 percent," whatever it was supposed to be

55:12

in practice.

55:13

Nobody knows, especially in Belarus, because there

55:15

they simply rewrite these protocols, simply

55:17

rewrite them, but

55:19

therefore all our ideas about what

55:24

the real election result actually was

55:26

are based on two things. First:

55:28

the general feeling among Belarusian citizens,

55:32

who were simply asking one another

55:33

who they voted for, and all

55:35

social groups, already on the day

55:38

of voting, were telling each other they voted for

55:39

Tikhanovskaya. Well, nobody was really voting for

55:41

Lukashenko, or for that

55:43

some random girl, whatever her name was,

55:46

some local puppet candidate—nobody was going to vote for them either. And second:

55:48

nobody would have voted for them. And second:

55:52

several commissions there—literally about 80 in

55:55

the whole country—but located in completely

55:56

different places, in cities, in villages, and so

55:59

on—reported honest results.

56:02

They counted honestly, found the courage—it is genuinely

56:04

dangerous there—but they found the strength

56:07

to go outside and read out

56:10

the honest result. Let's look at one

56:12

of those commissions where, well, this really was

56:16

an honest distribution of votes:

56:18

Anna Kanopatskaya — 20 votes. Andrei Dmitriev —

56:22

24 votes.

56:23

Alexander Lukashenko — 277. 1,203...

56:32

[applause]

56:46

And the analysis of all these protocols—

56:50

again, this is not like, you know,

56:52

if in our case you just take protocols from

56:54

some district like Khamovniki (a central district of Moscow), where everywhere

56:56

there will obviously be a high level of voting for

56:59

the opposition, if we are talking about the Moscow mayoral election,

57:01

and then immediately take protocols from

57:03

Gagarinsky District—I won everywhere there—but

57:05

there were also some completely different districts

57:07

where it was not me who won, but Sobyanin.

57:10

That is how it is structured, and so, well,

57:12

it is clear that in the more modern parts of Minsk

57:14

the voting is one way, while in the villages

57:16

the voting is different. But here these

57:17

protocols are spread out, and they include

57:19

ones from villages too, and even in the villages the rough

57:24

picture is that Tikhanovskaya clearly

57:28

won in the first round, and everyone more or less

57:32

knew that Lukashenko was unpopular, but

57:35

his exact level of support was unknown. And this, of course,

57:37

this realization, this sudden revelation,

57:40

confirmed on paper, that

57:42

it turned out that in reality nobody

57:46

had actually voted for him—this was, of course,

57:48

absolutely crucial. But then, already later,

57:50

of course, the next day there came

57:53

simply documentary proof of how

57:55

the falsifications had been organized.

57:56

It is a two-minute clip, a full two minutes, but it is important

57:59

to listen to it. Vitebsk.

58:01

So, members of a commission are sitting there,

58:03

the kind that had wanted

58:05

to count honestly and go out to the people, because

58:08

Tikhanovskaya had called on people in the evening to go to

58:10

the commissions and simply keep watch,

58:13

put pressure on the commissions so that

58:15

they would count honestly. And so they

58:18

did count honestly, and then the district head came to them,

58:20

and someone recorded him, and here is

58:25

the kind of conversation he had with them. Let's

58:26

listen for two minutes.

58:29

How did you manage that? Well done, everyone still

58:37

counted everything.

58:40

And according to you, 5...? That means add some more.

58:45

Let's put it this way.

58:46

But let me say that your colleagues

58:52

counted things a little differently more often.

58:55

... honestly, I

58:57

went through every single

58:59

page of theirs, checking whether the count was correct.

59:04

Three days earlier, it was somewhere around seventy-five

59:07

percent for... whereas here you have a very

59:12

large gap, around 15.

59:16

This basically disrupts the overall picture

59:20

that had been taking shape.

59:23

Therefore I do not want

59:29

you to be the only ones who, for some

59:34

reason,

59:35

guided by who knows what—common

59:37

sense, a sense of pride,

59:40

responsibility, and so on—have broken away from

59:43

the general line. On that subject, I have for you

59:46

a very firm proposal: change

59:49

the protocol and radically change the numbers.

59:53

...

59:57

So, I am prepared to agree that for

1:00:02

Tikhanovskaya

1:00:03

a sufficient number of people in the neighborhood voted.

1:00:07

I will not even explain the reasons to you,

1:00:10

or speculate: some followed their hearts,

1:00:13

because, well...

1:00:14

Someone else was the main wallet behind all this.

1:00:17

The problem is, we have other tasks and

1:00:21

other problems that are fundamental.

1:00:25

...the population, when it comes to our

1:00:28

future, you want it to be at least

1:00:33

an interesting vision, yes, he has

1:00:35

a bright future. Did you notice? He

1:00:36

says that things need to be changed radically.

1:00:39

the votes between the third and fourth

1:00:40

candidate, and he agrees, fine, so be it.

1:00:43

He is ready to accept that Tikhanovskaya

1:00:45

will get at least something, yes, and

1:00:48

and this very word, "radically"—well now,

1:00:50

that really opens your eyes, because

1:00:54

as I already said on the program, for this

1:00:56

it is a very important part of the narrative.

1:00:57

Putin and Lukashenko, unlike everyone else, they

1:01:00

say, well yes, there were elections, but their

1:01:01

supporters, the authorities, say, well, yes,

1:01:04

there was a choice, and of course they may falsify it,

1:01:06

but you understand that he still got

1:01:08

the majority.

1:01:08

Well, sort of, probably yes—and that was what everything

1:01:12

rested on. Everyone knew that for 20 years there

1:01:15

Lukashenko would rig the election, but, like, still

1:01:18

he still got the majority anyway, right?

1:01:20

But here, no—here it is radically not the case, and in that

1:01:24

sense, of course, people took to the streets, and that

1:01:27

was it—no one drove everyone out, and all

1:01:29

the others too. That is, the main heroes, of course,

1:01:32

are those heroes, those people who came out

1:01:36

into the streets and called on everyone else to join them. That is

1:01:39

the key thing.

1:01:40

An election is great, but elections without

1:01:44

a call to go out into the streets—and Tikhanovsky

1:01:47

sitting in prison was even calling

1:01:49

for a boycott, not for people to go out into the streets—

1:01:51

that is the key point: when, in response to

1:01:54

obvious injustice, you go out

1:01:56

to defend your rights. And that is the key

1:01:58

lesson of Belarus. So right now, on

1:02:01

Instagram, the number one tennis player of the Republic of

1:02:04

Belarus in tennis,

1:02:05

Aryna Sabalenka, a 22-year-old woman, simply

1:02:09

a genuinely honest and brave person, wrote a post

1:02:12

on Instagram: "I can't believe that all of

1:02:14

this is happening in my native, peaceful

1:02:15

Belarus... revolution..."

1:02:19

...same idea, synonymous.

1:02:19

"I haven't been able to sleep for the fourth night already. I can't

1:02:21

watch the cruelty toward

1:02:23

people. Why? Please stop the

1:02:25

violence. Take care of yourselves and of my

1:02:27

loved ones, my dear Belarusians." Well, there you go.

1:02:31

A normal person, obviously. Of course, she

1:02:35

absolutely is—but she is an athlete in an

1:02:38

authoritarian state.

1:02:39

She depends on Lukashenko for everything, she

1:02:43

depends on this regime for everything, but she still wrote it,

1:02:46

she still said it—good for her.

1:02:49

Fine, maybe it was awkward, maybe her coach fell

1:02:52

to her knees and said, "Aryna, don't write this, because

1:02:54

if the revolution doesn't win, they'll

1:02:57

destroy you there, and you won't be

1:02:58

any kind of athlete anymore." But at least she

1:03:00

didn't write, "Come on, let's rip off Lukashenko's mustache,"

1:03:02

she simply wrote about the violence.

1:03:04

Anyone can write something like that, and those

1:03:07

people who started writing

1:03:10

a few days ago and are writing now—they

1:03:12

are, of course, the real heroes.

1:03:14

There is a video not from a city, but from the settlement

1:03:17

Druzhny. You really need to pay attention to it:

1:03:19

the population is 9,000 people, and about 1,000 came out into the streets.

1:03:23

This once again shows us

1:03:26

the proportion—just as he said. And this

1:03:28

crooked district head said the numbers had to be

1:03:30

changed radically. How radically?

1:03:33

Now Tikhanovskaya's—and in general

1:03:34

the broader Tikhanovskaya position—is hitting

1:03:37

Lukashenko hard. Let's watch.

1:03:45

[music]

1:03:55

[applause]

1:03:58

The population of this place is 9,000 people.

1:04:01

Of this town—but of course it

1:04:03

is called a town, with all due respect to

1:04:06

it, but really it's an urban-type settlement

1:04:07

—basically just a large village.

1:04:09

The OMON riot police are leaving the town, and this is exactly what—

1:04:13

as Kremlin political analysts love to say—

1:04:15

to put it mockingly,

1:04:17

the "deep people"—those very people, the base

1:04:21

that Lukashenko could count on.

1:04:24

But that's it now, it's all gone. You no longer have any

1:04:27

"deep people" behind you, there is

1:04:29

no base at all. So, returning

1:04:32

back to what was happening then, on

1:04:36

voting day last Sunday:

1:04:38

Lukashenko speaks, and people understand that

1:04:42

all of this is a complete lie, all propaganda.

1:04:45

They simply start preparing everyone en masse,

1:04:48

because first, all of you will be beaten, and

1:04:50

second, there is already this talk that foreigners

1:04:53

used some kind of technology—and there was this absolutely hellish

1:04:56

30-second video about it. I won't even

1:04:59

repeat it; I'll just summarize briefly.

1:05:00

A "biohacking system"—that's how it was described,

1:05:02

though in completely different terms. It's just a level of sheer madness

1:05:05

on state television:

1:05:07

they show one idiot

1:05:09

spouting his lying nonsense, and

1:05:12

a bunch of other idiots sit there watching,

1:05:15

nodding their heads. And just imagine

1:05:17

the Belarusians in the streets: the president said

1:05:20

you'll be smashed, arrested, out there in the streets,

1:05:23

there's already some kind of militarized setup,

1:05:25

the internet has been cut off, and on television

1:05:28

they are showing "biohacking." How must

1:05:31

those people have felt? "For 30 seconds, biohacking

1:05:34

was tested during the Belarusian elections.

1:05:35

It was a new, dirty but

1:05:37

high-tech

1:05:39

system involving psychographic

1:05:41

social hacking, a kind of hack on

1:05:44

the emotional level of mass consciousness

1:05:46

of people.

1:05:47

The puppet masters are now using this technology on

1:05:49

strong, stable Belarus..."

1:05:52

without any real grounds for carrying out

1:05:55

a revolution

1:05:56

to test it out, perhaps in order to

1:05:58

later sell this technology to

1:06:00

some other states, where similar

1:06:02

methods would be used

1:06:03

to try it out from—well, to what extent

1:06:06

this is really—well, it's nonsense to us, it's

1:06:09

funny, we laugh, ha-ha, because here in

1:06:11

Russia, I mean, we also have nonsense on

1:06:13

television, but this was still just too

1:06:14

much

1:06:15

But there, people were actually living in it, and so they

1:06:18

sat at home and understood that now

1:06:20

they had to go out into the streets despite all of

1:06:23

that. As I promised, the news that is just

1:06:25

coming in, I’ll be giving to you during the

1:06:27

broadcast. A video has just appeared showing how

1:06:30

the Gefest manufacturing plant in Brest has also

1:06:33

joined the strike. And those

1:06:36

people who went out into the streets that night, on that

1:06:39

crucial night, made it possible for

1:06:42

others to join them afterward

1:06:43

Brest, Gefest

1:06:44

strike in the workshop

1:06:48

[applause]

1:06:58

[applause]

1:07:03

ah

1:07:10

ah

1:07:14

[applause]

1:07:17

[music]

1:07:18

[applause]

1:07:29

workers are walking through the shop floor and chanting

1:07:33

political slogans, and you just want

1:07:35

to say: so, what do you think of that, Alexander

1:07:37

Grigoryevich Lukashenko?

1:07:38

Where are your 80 percent? They made it up. I

1:07:41

was arguing with our guys, and I said that

1:07:43

they’d give Tikhanovskaya 15, and there were different

1:07:47

bets, including one bet that they’d give her 6

1:07:49

percent, or maybe 7 percent

1:07:51

I mean, I roughly

1:07:53

estimated it, and thought he’d award himself

1:07:55

a very high number, but surely he’d have enough conscience

1:07:58

to at least show that she had

1:07:59

substantial support. No, there’s no conscience

1:08:01

there at all, and that’s why Tikhanovskaya was

1:08:04

given such a tiny number, and that’s why people were so

1:08:07

outraged. But then, further and further across

1:08:10

Belarus, people began coming out into the streets

1:08:11

just as, broadly speaking, we all understood would happen, just as

1:08:14

had been stated. Let’s say the main news

1:08:17

was that there was very high activity in

1:08:20

small towns, and in some

1:08:24

ways it was even easier to protest there, because

1:08:26

by that time, absolutely all

1:08:28

the riot police forces and everything else had been

1:08:30

pulled into Minsk. In small towns,

1:08:32

in relatively modest-sized cities—not

1:08:36

the very biggest ones—if we’re talking about

1:08:39

the march in Brest, 10 seconds of which took place

1:08:41

on the night after the election

1:08:53

Well, the city of Brest—you all know it, it’s a large

1:08:56

city. But here’s video from the city of Molodechno

1:08:58

which, to be honest, I don’t know much about as a city

1:09:00

Molodechno

1:09:00

but judging by the fact that I don’t know it,

1:09:02

it’s a small town. Nevertheless, there too, people

1:09:05

came out into the streets at night

1:09:08

[music]

1:09:22

So, without any doubt, already

1:09:24

immediately after the election, on the night after the election,

1:09:27

a mass movement began. Again, I won’t

1:09:30

tire of repeating: this was under conditions of real

1:09:33

fear. Here, before every

1:09:36

rally, we hear the same thing, right?

1:09:38

We announce a rally, and then somewhere

1:09:40

they arrest me the day before, or while I’m on my way out,

1:09:43

and before that the police start saying:

1:09:46

the police will use all measures against those unlawfully

1:09:50

assembled; the police will harshly

1:09:52

suppress violations

1:09:54

But even so, they say there will be beatings there

1:09:56

in Belarus—and it was stated quite directly

1:09:59

at the presidential level

1:10:01

that they would simply crush you there, beat you all senseless

1:10:04

And what’s more, in Belarus

1:10:06

it is known that people were killed there

1:10:09

that opposition figures disappeared there, and

1:10:12

later Lukashenko’s henchmen, when they

1:10:16

left and emigrated to Germany, gave

1:10:18

interviews and described in great detail

1:10:20

how they had taken part in the murders of political

1:10:22

opponents. So there, it is a major thing

1:10:24

to go out to a demonstration in the city of Pinsk

1:10:29

Here are 15 seconds of that nighttime footage from Pinsk

1:10:30

after the election

1:10:32

[applause]

1:10:48

And now Locker Men writes to me: show

1:10:52

the footage from Belarus—obviously, show

1:10:54

the footage of the savage beatings of people by riot police, and in

1:10:56

Belarus they’ve already seen it, while you perhaps

1:10:58

haven’t. I think many people here have seen it too

1:11:00

many

1:11:01

But then this is exactly what began, meaning

1:11:05

the situation was clear: people said they would go

1:11:08

into the streets, and Lukashenko and his whole gang

1:11:10

said, all right then, you came out—well, we’re surprised,

1:11:11

of course, that people came out in small towns; we’re

1:11:14

surprised that so many came out in Minsk, but

1:11:16

no problem—our rubber batons

1:11:20

won’t wear out anytime soon, and our

1:11:24

rubber bullets—we are ready to use them

1:11:26

immediately. That too was a kind of

1:11:29

revelation, you know. After all, firing

1:11:31

rubber bullets is

1:11:34

a serious matter; it rarely happens in

1:11:38

Moscow—over all this time, maybe only an isolated

1:11:41

case of using such

1:11:42

weapons. But even where they are used often,

1:11:44

it is still considered an emergency measure. In

1:11:47

Belarus, they simply

1:11:48

started right away with exactly this kind of

1:11:52

mass beatings and the use of rubber

1:11:54

bullets—50 seconds

1:11:56

of what was happening immediately after the election

1:12:15

[music]

1:12:38

[music]

1:12:43

Ah.

1:12:45

we get around it.

1:12:50

These were completely performative,

1:12:53

punitive actions. I wrote about this for you,

1:12:55

but on this subject, in a long post on

1:12:57

Instagram. But I'll repeat: these are important

1:13:00

points. People very often asked, well,

1:13:03

like, why did Lukashenko do this?

1:13:04

This madness wouldn't appeal to anyone, when

1:13:06

they ran into a café there and started

1:13:10

rushing in, dragging people out—it was obvious

1:13:12

that there was a camera in the café, or someone

1:13:13

was standing there with a phone. All of this would be filmed and

1:13:15

uploaded to the internet. But thanks to brave

1:13:18

people there, it would leak out somewhere anyway.

1:13:19

No one would like this. 37 seconds.

1:13:21

Let's watch the footage from the café.

1:13:38

him, along with his equipment, just to take him away.

1:13:53

Not yet, not at all.

1:14:03

They were dragging people out from everywhere, from shopping malls,

1:14:05

there was a person—you saw it there somehow.

1:14:07

Well, first of all, they pulled him out of the café and simply

1:14:10

led him away. But then, when they ended up

1:14:12

in these detention centers—in Belarus, the system

1:14:15

of law enforcement is set up so that, unlike here,

1:14:16

as usual, the authorities took them to the police station; at the

1:14:18

station you spent the night, then they took you to court,

1:14:20

and from court to a special detention facility—they have these

1:14:22

centers.

1:14:23

Well, like holding cells and various temporary

1:14:25

detention centers before trial.

1:14:27

The most notorious of them is, well,

1:14:29

Okrestina, which became infamous this time

1:14:33

because people living in neighboring buildings,

1:14:35

people who happened to be nearby,

1:14:40

could simply hear the screams from the beatings—that is,

1:14:43

people were being beaten and tortured. And they weren't even

1:14:46

forced to keep quiet about it, like, 'don't talk about this.'

1:14:49

No—they were doing it almost with pleasure,

1:14:52

showing it off and doing it demonstratively. Here, at the

1:14:55

police station—let's take a look. People are being taken to the

1:14:58

station, how they beat them and drive them out into the street, and

1:15:03

the OMON riot police beat them, line them up against the wall in the street, and

1:15:25

they kill them there—they really kill them.

1:15:28

And all of this was filmed. And actually,

1:15:32

with Lukashenko—coming back to the question we're discussing—

1:15:34

100,000 people watched this live.

1:15:35

We're discussing the question of why, why he

1:15:38

would do this—because it was truly bestial

1:15:40

cruelty, and no one would like it. I mean,

1:15:42

even if you're pro-Lukashenko,

1:15:44

all that 'Batka' (Daddy, a nickname for Lukashenko) stuff and so on—yeah, like, you

1:15:47

still just see people being beaten,

1:15:49

clubbed with batons, beaten to death, shot,

1:15:52

for no clear reason. No one would like that.

1:15:54

Simply for humanitarian reasons.

1:15:56

But Lukashenko did it. It was

1:15:58

a matter of principle, and next to the word

1:16:00

'blitzkrieg,' the key point was that it was important for him

1:16:04

to crush it on the very first night,

1:16:06

so that there would simply be nothing left. And in this

1:16:08

there was an absolutely rational

1:16:11

calculation: Belarus has a lot of OMON riot police, there are

1:16:15

internal troops, the army, and so on. But still,

1:16:17

how many people can you actually detain?

1:16:20

They simply understood that if

1:16:23

80 percent voted for Tikhanovskaya,

1:16:25

or 60 percent—whatever her real margin of victory was in

1:16:27

the first round—if there was a real mass

1:16:29

movement,

1:16:30

you couldn't disperse all of them. This OMON force,

1:16:32

plus the internal troops—maybe around 20

1:16:34

thousand people, twenty thousand people.

1:16:37

If they're working around the clock, divide that by

1:16:39

three shifts.

1:16:39

So that they could at least get some rest

1:16:41

every other day, that means across all cities—and

1:16:43

in small towns, too, where 10,000

1:16:46

people came out—how are you going to disperse everyone? Well, they

1:16:50

can't all work at once; they get tired, and

1:16:53

they understood very well that, first of all,

1:16:57

after 3–4 days, all these OMON officers, no matter how

1:17:01

brutalized they might be, would have no

1:17:03

strength left. I don't believe they were somehow

1:17:05

turned into beasts by being given

1:17:07

lots of pills, because that's nonsense,

1:17:08

and the claim that they were supposedly given methamphetamine

1:17:11

is also a complete lie.

1:17:13

I mean, in any case, regardless

1:17:16

of the degree of their brutality, after

1:17:18

three days they wouldn't have the strength to keep

1:17:20

running around.

1:17:20

Besides, as I've said many times about

1:17:23

Russian protests: yes, they detain

1:17:25

us, but don't be too afraid of these detentions. Because

1:17:28

once they've detained people—how many can they

1:17:29

detain? A thousand? After that they

1:17:31

start releasing everyone in Moscow. Once it's more than

1:17:34

a thousand people, they stop detaining anyone—not

1:17:36

because they feel sorry for people, but because there's nowhere

1:17:38

left to put them.

1:17:39

Because every police station is already full of people

1:17:42

sitting there, because there are so many detainees,

1:17:43

and so many relatives of theirs,

1:17:45

that it becomes impossible to deal with all of it.

1:17:49

In Belarus, they were cramming

1:17:51

30 people into a cell meant for eight, but

1:17:54

even so, there's still a limit to how many you can

1:17:57

stuff in. That's exactly why the day before yesterday and

1:18:00

yesterday they already stopped detaining people and dragging them

1:18:04

off anywhere.

1:18:04

And they understood that either we

1:18:08

terrorize

1:18:09

people with horror so they don't come out—that

1:18:12

works. You allow videos like this to be released,

1:18:16

videos of someone being beaten, and so

1:18:19

a person who's getting ready to go into the city

1:18:21

thinks, 'Maybe I'll go protest'—and in front of him, here

1:18:24

here, a mother falls to her knees, and here

1:18:26

here, a wife falls to her knees, and there

1:18:29

the children are crying, 'Don't go, they'll kill you.'

1:18:32

Well, you can see these videos—go online

1:18:34

and watch them. Look—they beat people there,

1:18:36

smash cars, and don't drive anywhere, absolutely don't,

1:18:40

and you say, 'I'll just go

1:18:43

stand in the courtyard,' and then they show videos

1:18:46

of how these

1:18:48

degenerates, like Uruk-hai, in helmets come into the courtyard.

1:18:53

they force one person to his knees, and then

1:18:55

one of them runs up and, well, you saw it on

1:18:58

I’m not going to show you that video

1:18:59

I don’t want a hundred thousand people

1:19:01

to watch it. Believe me, that video exists

1:19:04

if you haven’t seen it yourselves: he runs up and hits

1:19:06

him in the back. He’s just kneeling there, and

1:19:08

then they hit him in the head, he falls, and they keep beating him

1:19:11

with batons in courtyards — that’s what was happening

1:19:13

and people come out, shouting something from

1:19:15

their balconies, and they fire at them

1:19:17

through the windows with their, their rubber

1:19:19

bullets, and

1:19:21

it was an absolutely performative thing, it

1:19:24

was done so that on the first day

1:19:26

everyone would be terrified, to create that kind of horror

1:19:31

so that, basically, no one else would

1:19:33

come out, because they understood that for four or five

1:19:37

days of protests across all the cities, they wouldn’t

1:19:40

hold out, and there was nothing they could

1:19:41

do about it, because any authoritarian

1:19:43

regime — whether Putin’s or Lukashenko’s — any of them is

1:19:47

like a bloated toad

1:19:49

a power structure sustained solely by

1:19:53

everyone thinking the toad is very formidable

1:19:55

There’s that great poem about the cockroach

1:19:58

remember how the cockroach frightened all the animals

1:20:01

and then a sparrow flew in and

1:20:03

ate the cockroach, because that’s exactly how it works

1:20:05

it’s set up. We just sit there thinking

1:20:07

what can we possibly do against Putin, I mean

1:20:09

what can anyone do against him — and it was the same there

1:20:11

for 26 years Belarusians were told: where do you think you’re going against

1:20:14

Lukashenko?

1:20:14

He’s popular, they kept saying, but where

1:20:17

can you go against Lukashenko? He’s popular and

1:20:19

he won’t joke around with you. And then they said

1:20:21

well, basically, they’ll crush you, like all those

1:20:23

Russian propagandists saying they’d stuff you in a barrel and

1:20:26

this is no joke, it’s not like

1:20:28

liberal Moscow, where OMON (Russian riot police) only

1:20:30

hits you in the face with a baton once

1:20:33

there, like, three people will beat you in the

1:20:35

face with batons for many, many minutes in a row

1:20:38

and then they’ll take you to a detention center

1:20:41

or to a holding facility, and without any concern for

1:20:43

the cameras, they’ll keep pounding you. And so they

1:20:45

used all of this to intimidate people, just terrorized

1:20:48

them, because, you see, in reality

1:20:50

they can’t keep doing it for long, but

1:20:53

of course it looked

1:20:55

truly shocking — 31 seconds of how, right there

1:20:58

on the streets, they demonstratively knock people

1:20:59

down

1:21:27

Mom

1:21:33

Yes, but this is still that same video

1:21:36

where a man forces him onto

1:21:38

his knees and then beats him — there, you can see it

1:21:39

there, that’s a mother there, and a child

1:21:41

is saying something to her, and of course that child

1:21:43

I mean, people really were just

1:21:46

afraid to leave their apartments, and the people

1:21:48

who did go out at night, and then

1:21:52

especially on the key, decisive night

1:21:54

which, of course, was the night from Monday to

1:21:56

Tuesday

1:21:56

when it was no longer just frightening, but

1:22:00

it was already clear what kind of nightmare it would be when you

1:22:02

went out, and you understood that you’d come back

1:22:05

covered in bruises, with holes from those rubber

1:22:07

bullets, understanding that it would be just

1:22:09

some kind of horror. You’ve already seen two videos

1:22:13

that were also circulating fairly widely

1:22:16

showing how

1:22:17

soldiers were also demonstratively being issued

1:22:20

live ammunition. Why? So that on

1:22:23

the first night they beat you,

1:22:25

and on the second night they’ll simply

1:22:27

shoot you — that was exactly the message

1:22:29

Let’s show this video about live

1:22:31

ammunition. There’s a lot of swearing in it, so there will be

1:22:34

a lot of blanked-out bits — we’ve

1:22:36

bleeped it out

1:22:42

They’re being issued live ammunition, damn it, and

1:22:47

the guys are ready

1:22:52

[music]

1:22:54

g

1:22:57

the boys here are loaded up

1:23:00

and by evening

1:23:04

too

1:23:04

[music]

1:23:11

This is a good psychological exercise

1:23:13

for everyone who is now giving advice

1:23:16

to Belarusians or speculating about things — just

1:23:19

put yourselves in the place of people

1:23:21

who saw all that brutal beating

1:23:24

of those people

1:23:25

and then saw videos of how

1:23:27

soldiers were being handed live ammunition

1:23:29

and still went out into the streets — and of course that

1:23:31

was an absolutely extraordinary display of heroism

1:23:35

real, genuine heroism, that they

1:23:38

did that. Separately, there was this whole

1:23:43

kind of Lukashenko-era nightmare,

1:23:45

this monstrous idea that they needed to beat

1:23:48

drivers, or just, like, attack

1:23:50

passing cars, and it seems to me that this

1:23:53

was also done, unquestionably, by design as

1:23:56

an intimidation tactic. Everyone understood that this

1:23:58

would be filmed, and the message there was precisely

1:24:01

that we are so completely

1:24:02

out of control here that we’ll just

1:24:06

drag people out of their cars

1:24:07

smash up and wreck the car. If you’re not

1:24:10

afraid of ending up with a bruise or a hole

1:24:13

from a rubber bullet, then we’ll just

1:24:15

trash your car. Arresting people

1:24:18

and attacking motorists — that

1:24:21

became something of a trademark of the Lukash

1:24:24

enko regime

1:24:26

So now let’s watch

1:24:28

a minute and a half of them smashing cars

1:24:33

[applause]

1:24:34

[music]

1:24:41

The thugs had full run of the place, and they act like

1:24:44

someone got into the car, yes, to hide — I

1:24:50

understand how they ‘solve the issue,’ in the end, I know

1:24:53

damn you all — when they beat you, I guarantee it

1:24:58

That speaks for them — you beat them several times.

1:25:06

Often it's just a mess in the head, yeah, aimed at some old man.

1:25:12

the old man in the cap

1:25:16

even though you're a smart girl

1:25:23

That's clear.

1:25:26

This is how people are provoking our...

1:25:28

The old man with the arrows went home — I would...

1:25:35

the police are in pursuit

1:25:36

There are bandits here — go wash up, you pair of viruses.

1:25:45

[music]

1:25:46

[applause]

1:25:49

[music]

1:25:52

They lick.

1:25:53

[music]

1:26:00

Well, I mean, it's all about being demonstrative.

1:26:03

An old man is riding along in a cap and shorts, and then he gets hit.

1:26:06

They smashed his mirror, the bastards — I mean, somewhere...

1:26:09

So, his own little darling, his car, and there they...

1:26:11

they're polishing off your broken mirror — a big deal.

1:26:14

For him, it's an absolutely serious matter...

1:26:16

Not to mention that it's sheer madness.

1:26:18

A police officer confronting someone like that...

1:26:20

A typical gopnik (street thug) — even a gopnik would never do that.

1:26:22

Two hooligans might do something like that, and...

1:26:24

it was just openly, demonstratively done.

1:26:26

They smashed the mirror first, and then beat him up badly too.

1:26:28

And right in front of everyone, they led him away somewhere.

1:26:30

Just right there, in front of everyone — it's absolutely...

1:26:34

monstrous. Right now on Pushkinskaya Street in Minsk,

1:26:35

103,000 people are able to...

1:26:38

watching us live. I won't... I will show you...

1:26:40

I will show you everything that's happening — the most

1:26:41

interesting thing is the enormous number of people, and

1:26:43

you see, now you can already compare then and

1:26:46

now.

1:26:47

First of all, there are no longer enough police forces.

1:26:50

Second, of course, this is already

1:26:52

a turning point. And if a day and a half ago, at

1:26:57

night — especially on the night from Monday

1:26:58

to Tuesday —

1:27:00

OMON riot police were firing these rubber

1:27:02

bullets simply at apartments, at windows

1:27:04

from which people were shouting at them, now already

1:27:06

people

1:27:07

are hanging out — give me 6 seconds, let's look.

1:27:09

Flags — these sort of semi-banned

1:27:12

flags are being hung from balconies and windows.

1:27:15

[applause]

1:27:22

So this is what's happening in Minsk

1:27:24

right now. I want to show you

1:27:27

a short video clip where a girl from

1:27:31

Minsk describes it very accurately. I

1:27:34

thought exactly the same thing: Lukashenko, he

1:27:38

yes, he wasn't dispersing a rally, he wasn't dispersing

1:27:41

a demonstration — he was simply, literally

1:27:43

beating people demonstratively. That was the whole point.

1:27:45

The point was precisely just to beat them, and the

1:27:49

order was this: no need to come in

1:27:51

and push them back, and force them out, and

1:27:53

block them — just go and beat

1:27:57

all those, all those who don't like my

1:28:00

regime. Let's listen to this girl in

1:28:07

Minsk: they dragged a man out of his car because

1:28:13

he had simply honked at them, and they beat him.

1:28:16

Or simply a car, as if it were the most terrible of...

1:28:20

A woman was covering the man. This does not look like

1:28:25

the dispersal of a protest — this is genocide against peaceful

1:28:29

citizens.

1:28:29

My friends are being held there simply because

1:28:32

they were walking down the street, not bothering anyone.

1:28:35

This must not happen. We can make this

1:28:37

a peaceful process now.

1:28:42

Indeed, very often we simply see

1:28:44

such absurd acts of intimidation

1:28:46

and terror. Here's the video I wanted

1:28:48

to show: there, a Yandex Taxi car somehow

1:28:51

didn't please them, and they just

1:28:53

like a real group of Uruk-hai (orc warriors from *The Lord of the Rings*), to the horror of everyone

1:28:56

riding past in a minibus, attack

1:28:59

the Yandex Taxi. Let's watch — 43

1:29:01

seconds.

1:29:03

[music]

1:29:10

[music]

1:29:17

[music]

1:29:23

The level of... this is...

1:29:27

my connection.

1:29:31

This hadn't happened here before.

1:29:34

We're alive and well.

1:29:47

You see, even aesthetically, this is...

1:29:50

it's made to look like some kind of shooting gallery — like death squads.

1:29:52

No identifying insignia, no faces visible.

1:29:54

No — I mean, just look at what they're doing, even visually.

1:29:57

When you show a person this

1:29:59

image, it would never occur to anyone

1:30:03

that these are police officers. Of course, these are

1:30:05

just some kind of guys, you know,

1:30:08

and on camera it looks like some kind of movie —

1:30:10

bandits, movie villains.

1:30:12

But this is what was happening on a mass scale in

1:30:14

the streets of Belarus. There were cases where

1:30:17

situations when

1:30:19

police officers lowered their shields, especially in

1:30:21

smaller towns, thereby showing

1:30:23

that they were, well, with the people, and

1:30:25

at that moment they received very strong

1:30:27

support from the people, great visible

1:30:28

relief from people who could see that they had

1:30:30

finally lowered their shields. One moment — 22

1:30:34

seconds, let's watch.

1:30:35

[applause]

1:30:37

[music]

1:30:41

[applause]

1:30:57

103,000 people are watching live

1:30:59

the latest news about what is

1:31:01

happening in Belarus. Zhodino

1:31:03

is a very important city — BelAZ, the giant dump truck manufacturer, is located there.

1:31:05

And there's a strike there, at this absolutely symbolic

1:31:08

enterprise for the republic. I already

1:31:11

showed you a video of how the mayor of the city of

1:31:14

Zhodino

1:31:15

did, to be fair, keep his promise and came

1:31:17

to meet people, and was met with chants of

1:31:19

"OMON, go away" and "Release the people."

1:31:22

The mayor fled. And now, a little over an hour later, the information is this:

1:31:26

the mayor ran away, but the people

1:31:28

stayed. Let's see what it looks like

1:31:29

now. You'll recognize the slogan, yes: one for

1:31:45

all and all for one — and it shows how, well...

1:31:47

How closely related Russia under

1:31:52

the leadership of such a villain and

1:31:56

Belarus under the leadership of a villain

1:31:58

It’s just that in Belarus, the villain is of course also

1:32:00

well, very, very insane in that sense.

1:32:03

Belarus seemed like the more hopeless

1:32:10

state in terms of a real struggle

1:32:12

by the people for freedom, but that really is true, that’s

1:32:15

yes, let’s say it as it is: all of us

1:32:19

understood it, we just didn’t say those words

1:32:21

beforehand.

1:32:22

Because you can’t say things like that

1:32:24

to those who are going to take to the streets anyway.

1:32:26

The idea was basically: if you

1:32:28

go out, they’ll go out, and all of them there

1:32:30

will be beaten, battered, and nothing will change,

1:32:32

because this man is simply ready

1:32:35

to devour the whole country and everyone in it, but

1:32:38

he won’t give up what’s his. We won’t

1:32:41

say too much too early, but still,

1:32:42

a lot of things are similar, things are changing, and

1:32:46

to wrap up this little overview: on the first day,

1:32:51

everyone was beaten, and on that first day there began

1:32:53

the preparations for the beatings on day two. That was

1:32:55

the key day, from Monday into Tuesday.

1:32:59

Lukashenko spoke, and he

1:33:02

very clearly started saying that, well,

1:33:05

it was all about the unemployed,

1:33:07

everyone who has no job, and therefore everyone who

1:33:09

walks the streets: go get to work.

1:33:12

Get off the streets, and no fake

1:33:14

employment certificates—we’ll track every one of you down. And, well,

1:33:17

still demonstrating that same

1:33:19

beast-like determination that everyone will suffer

1:33:22

who simply walks the streets.

1:33:23

3 minutes, 3 seconds.

1:33:25

that he’ll make life miserable for all of you, all those who

1:33:29

want to work, who strive to work,

1:33:32

must have jobs and, accordingly,

1:33:36

wages.

1:33:37

Everyone who is not working today must be

1:33:44

looked into; they must be offered work.

1:33:48

The core of all these so-called

1:33:52

protesters are people with criminal records

1:33:55

and the unemployed today. They have no jobs and

1:34:00

are wandering the streets and avenues.

1:34:03

So I am asking nicely and warning

1:34:07

everyone who doesn’t have a job to get one,

1:34:11

and I want to warn some of our

1:34:14

our

1:34:16

so-called, to put it mildly, bourgeois citizens

1:34:20

God forbid anyone should issue

1:34:23

fake employment certificates to anyone. Everything

1:34:27

must be honest and proper. That was

1:34:33

that was Monday. Today is Thursday. 104

1:34:37

thousand people are watching live, and

1:34:39

now this news has come in that

1:34:40

really shows perfectly that you

1:34:43

bastards puffed yourselves up and said you would crush

1:34:46

everyone.

1:34:47

But you failed to crush them, and now

1:34:49

everyone who spread information, who

1:34:52

went out into the streets, achieved this

1:34:54

news. So far there isn’t much video yet,

1:34:57

just the text: Belarus’s interior minister

1:34:58

Yury Karayev, a truly deranged

1:35:01

guy—I showed him to you on the previous

1:35:03

program—who, with that smug face of his,

1:35:05

said: we will carry out any task, it may be hard for us

1:35:08

physically, but we’ll crush them all.

1:35:10

I’m quoting him.

1:35:12

I take responsibility and apologize for

1:35:14

the injuries to random people at the protests

1:35:16

who got caught up in it. So, well,

1:35:20

of course, he cannot admit there that

1:35:23

this is simply a gang of thugs

1:35:25

and that he, like a thug, was directing other

1:35:27

thugs, but still

1:35:29

the fact that they’re now talking about injuries

1:35:32

means the authorities understood

1:35:35

that a few more videos like these, with these

1:35:39

beatings, this torment, these

1:35:42

tortures,

1:35:42

and people would really start hanging them, you know.

1:35:45

It’s a partisan land, after all. I mean, it simply

1:35:48

changed everyone’s attitude, yes.

1:35:52

No one wants this anymore. After all, it had all been sold

1:35:54

under the banner of “stability”: we’re for Lukashenko

1:35:57

because of stability. But when your

1:35:59

stability, you know, exists amid

1:36:01

the screams of detained people, whose cries

1:36:05

can be heard in the neighboring building next to the police

1:36:08

station, that is no stability at all.

1:36:11

No one wants that kind of stability, and

1:36:12

that’s why, of course, this

1:36:14

Belarusian minister is already there

1:36:18

apologizing. Why? Because in

1:36:21

some place called Serebryanka, a name

1:36:24

you’ve probably never heard before, this many

1:36:26

people are standing by the roadside right

1:36:28

now. Let’s watch video from Serebryanka.

1:36:31

[music]

1:36:41

[applause]

1:36:43

This is already happening on a mass scale, in every

1:36:46

city, in every populated place

1:36:47

across Belarus. Today I also saw—someone

1:36:50

sent it to me in the last hour before the broadcast—

1:36:52

someone cheerfully posted a photo:

1:36:55

a village—I won’t lie, I don’t remember the

1:36:58

name—89 residents, and something like 20

1:37:02

people came out onto the road like this,

1:37:03

waving flowers, holding up flags, and

1:37:09

passing cars are honking at them. This is

1:37:11

a truly mass movement.

1:37:14

There are a lot of questions and criticism about Tikhanovskaya,

1:37:17

and this absolutely needs to be discussed

1:37:19

because precisely on the question of

1:37:21

Tikhanovskaya, from what I’ve seen, opinions

1:37:24

among Belarusians and Russians—well, Russian citizens—

1:37:28

have shifted

1:37:30

and split. And it seems to me that the comments

1:37:33

that are being voiced so much in Russia

1:37:35

are absolutely unfair and

1:37:37

wrong, often downright stupid, and I want

1:37:41

to say this because it concerns the fact that

1:37:43

Tikhanovskaya is now in

1:37:45

Lithuania, and many are saying: she fled—how could that be?

1:37:49

She abandoned her people and ran away.

1:37:53

And that’s why, to my surprise,

1:37:57

it’s being commented on this way. I also wanted to speak on

1:37:58

this matter. First, let me start with

1:38:03

the way events unfolded. Lukashenko understands

1:38:05

that they are going to lose. People are being beaten, and he says

1:38:07

that they will continue beating Tsikhanouskaya

1:38:09

and everyone else. He says this at a time when

1:38:11

she had not yet disappeared at the Central Election Commission, and he calls

1:38:14

them “little sheep.” Twenty seconds later, we hear about puppet masters.

1:38:19

One of the lines of attack is that these puppet masters are in the Czech Republic.

1:38:22

Today, supposedly, the Czech Republic is already running our

1:38:25

joint campaign headquarters, where, excuse me,

1:38:28

these “little sheep” are sitting, understanding nothing about

1:38:31

what is wanted from them.

1:38:32

I ordered this information to be released to the media

1:38:34

so that you could see

1:38:36

what they want.

1:38:39

That’s the picture.

1:38:41

Andrei Fadin asks me why

1:38:44

opposition leader Tsikhanouskaya left

1:38:46

Belarus and did not stay with the people until

1:38:48

the end. Pasha Malakhov asks: Alexei, how do you

1:38:50

comment briefly on the interrogations and the sudden

1:38:52

disappearance of Tsikhanouskaya? On Tuesday, Tsikhanouskaya

1:38:54

went to the Central Election Commission and went inside,

1:38:57

then disappeared for several hours. No one could

1:39:00

find her. Later, it was apparently reported that

1:39:01

she had in fact left the building, and the next

1:39:04

morning it emerged that she was in Lithuania.

1:39:06

And naturally, the Russian media in particular

1:39:09

started savoring the story: she ran away. And all this

1:39:12

—at the beginning I mentioned this absurd thing—

1:39:14

this very week they were calling me

1:39:17

“Alexei Navalny, who was put in a puddle” by the

1:39:19

Belarusian border guards, because

1:39:22

I had supported Tsikhanouskaya.

1:39:24

Naturally, the border guards were spreading

1:39:26

videos supposedly showing that she had fled.

1:39:29

Everyone was relishing it. To my surprise, as I

1:39:32

already said, many otherwise reasonable people in

1:39:34

Russia also started saying: ah, she ran away

1:39:36

and abandoned her people. But Tsikhanouskaya

1:39:40

has shown herself to be one of the heroes of this whole story.

1:39:44

Not only her—all the women, to a great extent.

1:39:46

In fact, it’s an astonishing thing.

1:39:49

As for the events in Belarus, we do not know how

1:39:51

they will end, but they are already

1:39:52

historic, and today in particular is a new,

1:39:55

obvious turning point.

1:39:57

A great day in the history of Belarus, and

1:40:00

the defining feature of this day and of all these

1:40:02

extraordinary events was, of course, the role

1:40:05

of women—the enormous role women played

1:40:08

in this entire story.

1:40:10

Specifically, those three women, and specifically

1:40:12

Tsikhanouskaya personally, as well as those who

1:40:15

came out yesterday and today to these

1:40:17

peaceful rallies—the women who were there

1:40:19

rising up,

1:40:20

forming chains like that, protecting everyone

1:40:24

else and speaking out against violence.

1:40:26

I wrote about this on Twitter today:

1:40:28

perhaps this was a revolution

1:40:29

that will one day be called

1:40:32

the revolution made by women.

1:40:35

There was an interesting exchange: people write,

1:40:38

basically, “What about the men? The men are the ones being beaten

1:40:40

and jailed.” That is absolutely true, that is exactly

1:40:43

how it is. In fact, the price has been paid

1:40:45

and is still being paid by people

1:40:48

whose ribs are being broken, who are sitting in

1:40:51

these detention centers,

1:40:52

in cells meant for six people but holding 30

1:40:55

people, who are being beaten; there are dead

1:40:57

and maimed people there, unquestionably. But the

1:41:02

distinctive feature of what happened is that

1:41:06

women, precisely as women—not just

1:41:09

as part of the crowd like everyone else—

1:41:11

Yes, people make revolutions; if one happens,

1:41:13

it is made by people—both

1:41:15

men and women—but here women as

1:41:20

women played a truly

1:41:22

important role, demonstrating: you may

1:41:25

jail all our husbands—and they did jail them,

1:41:28

they are still in jail, and we do not understand

1:41:30

what has happened to them—but they did this.

1:41:32

And Tsikhanouskaya is an accidental person in politics,

1:41:35

a teacher, a housewife. You cannot

1:41:37

imagine it. Guys, I have held many

1:41:40

meetings with voters and large rallies

1:41:43

and all that, and

1:41:46

believe me, it is a very great

1:41:50

stress, even for someone who wants

1:41:52

to do it and knows how to do it. It is hard.

1:41:57

On all those trips, she was holding three

1:41:59

rallies a day. I have done that too.

1:42:03

When I was in Moscow, I held 35 rallies

1:42:05

a day across the regions, covering several

1:42:07

cities.

1:42:07

It is the kind of work after which you simply

1:42:11

want to lie low quietly for a week

1:42:14

so that no one bothers you. But I

1:42:17

am still a politician, and I want to do it, and

1:42:19

this is my profession. I had a team that

1:42:21

helped me, a large structure. Tsikhanouskaya and

1:42:24

all the others found themselves

1:42:26

thrown into all of this without money, without

1:42:29

a proper team, just a large number of volunteers.

1:42:31

She did not know what to say, she did not

1:42:33

understand things fully, she was terribly afraid that something

1:42:36

would happen—that she might say something wrong, blurt something out, and then

1:42:38

it would all be quoted against her.

1:42:40

Endless provocations, pressure, the police—

1:42:43

you understand that your result

1:42:46

will never be announced as the true

1:42:48

result. You understand that your husband,

1:42:51

who is sitting in prison and whose situation is unclear,

1:42:53

has already called everyone into the streets.

1:42:56

They will come out, they will be beaten, and most

1:43:00

likely you will be jailed for it. In Belarus,

1:43:03

there were also threats being spread, like

1:43:04

“we’ll take away”

1:43:05

“the children.” They do that. She is a woman who, like

1:43:09

everyone else, fulfilled her role as a symbol,

1:43:14

as a unifying figure,

1:43:18

by 146 percent.

1:43:22

Then the following happened to her, and

1:43:24

she was taken into the Central Election Commission—well, I saw that too.

1:43:26

Comments: why on earth did she go to the Central Election Commission?

1:43:28

Why did she go to the Central Election Commission at all?

1:43:30

But just imagine how this works.

1:43:33

If I were going somewhere like that, you know, I’d go with lawyers,

1:43:35

or with a support group, and then suddenly—bang—

1:43:36

I find myself alone. I also went into

1:43:39

Russia’s election commission offices to submit documents, but when you

1:43:41

arrive and hand them over, once you’ve crossed that threshold, you’re

1:43:42

not allowed any further—and then, suddenly,

1:43:44

the door shuts, the guards close it, and that’s it.

1:43:47

You’re alone, and they won’t even let your lawyer in.

1:43:49

As for the fact that she went in and then, after some time,

1:43:53

came out, ended up in Lithuania,

1:43:54

and released the following video address,

1:43:57

which, for some reason, deeply

1:43:59

outraged many people. Let’s watch it—37

1:44:01

seconds. “Dear citizens of the Republic of

1:44:04

Belarus,

1:44:05

I, Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, thank you for

1:44:08

taking part in the election of the head of state.

1:44:11

The people of Belarus have made their choice.

1:44:14

With gratitude and warmth, I appeal

1:44:16

to all the citizens who supported

1:44:19

me all this time.

1:44:21

People of Belarus, I call on you to show prudence and

1:44:25

respect for the law. I do not want bloodshed or

1:44:28

violence.

1:44:29

I ask you not to confront the police,

1:44:32

not to go out into the squares, so as not to put

1:44:34

your lives in danger. Take care of yourselves and

1:44:38

your loved ones.”

1:44:39

And this video started being circulated by various

1:44:43

pro-government Belarusian channels,

1:44:46

and it spread everywhere. And notably,

1:44:48

in Belarus, nobody particularly condemned it.

1:44:50

Well, who would? Everyone there understands perfectly well

1:44:52

how the country works. But over here,

1:44:54

that night it started:

1:44:55

“What she did was wrong, she left…” But then

1:44:59

it became clear fairly quickly that, obviously,

1:45:02

this video was not recorded in Lithuania, in safety;

1:45:03

it was recorded in

1:45:06

the Central Election Commission,

1:45:07

more precisely, in the office of the chief official there.

1:45:10

That video was made there—

1:45:13

it’s obvious she was reading from a piece of paper.

1:45:15

I mean, there

1:45:16

they matched up the sofa and

1:45:18

the blinds on the windows—it was clear.

1:45:20

So, guys, just imagine

1:45:23

a person—a woman—who never

1:45:27

wanted to be involved in politics, but did

1:45:29

all of this anyway: she traveled to rallies, she

1:45:32

spoke publicly, she gave interviews.

1:45:34

Come on—try giving even one interview yourself,

1:45:37

with tricky questions being thrown at you.

1:45:39

She went through all of that, and then she found herself alone.

1:45:42

Imagine it: she walks in, and there are

1:45:43

all these ghouls and Uruk-hai (orc-like villains from *The Lord of the Rings*),

1:45:45

these witches from the election commission; her husband is in

1:45:49

prison. What did they do to her there, that she ended up

1:45:52

reading from a sheet of paper like that? Do you have even

1:45:55

the slightest doubt that they could, for example,

1:45:58

have shown her a video of her husband being beaten, or a video

1:46:02

of her husband with, say,

1:46:05

a gun held to his temple,

1:46:06

or something like that? Do you really doubt

1:46:09

that they were capable of doing that?

1:46:12

These people—Lukashenko and his Interior Ministry—were beating

1:46:15

people in plain sight, on the streets of Minsk.

1:46:19

In detention centers and special holding facilities,

1:46:22

they force people into stress positions, simply beat them and

1:46:24

torture them. Do you have the slightest doubt

1:46:28

that they could, for example, have beaten

1:46:31

Tikhanovsky nearly to death, or

1:46:33

tortured him? I hope that didn’t happen, but

1:46:36

they could have forced him to record a video message to

1:46:38

his wife, saying, basically, “Read whatever they want.”

1:46:41

Do you have any doubt that they

1:46:43

told her: “You will read this, and after that

1:46:46

you get out of here to Lithuania and keep quiet. And if

1:46:50

you say even one word, your husband is

1:46:52

finished.” I have no doubt that’s exactly what happened, judging

1:46:55

by the fact that she is clearly in a state of

1:46:57

shock right now and staying silent. I do not doubt for

1:46:59

a single second that this is what happened, because

1:47:02

listen—if they were simply

1:47:04

actually

1:47:04

beating people, with several dead, as I

1:47:07

already said earlier—Belarus has long

1:47:10

been known for the fact that

1:47:12

several political

1:47:14

opponents disappeared, and there are already public

1:47:17

statements and interviews saying they were killed.

1:47:18

There are people who said they

1:47:20

took part in those killings

1:47:22

on Lukashenko’s orders.

1:47:23

Do you think they would stop short of

1:47:26

having the news come out the next day, on

1:47:28

Tuesday, saying, you know,

1:47:30

“Tikhanovsky died of a heart attack”

1:47:31

or “hanged himself, having realized the terrible things

1:47:35

he had done against the Belarusian people, and

1:47:37

took his own life”?

1:47:38

Do you have any doubt? I’m not even talking yet

1:47:40

about the fact that she went in alone, and they could have told her:

1:47:43

“Right now we’ll deal with you here ourselves—

1:47:45

nobody will know. Either you go to Lithuania now,

1:47:48

or you go to a cell right now, where we’ll do

1:47:51

terrible things to you, and we’ll take your children away.”

1:47:53

Besides, all the staffers

1:47:55

from her campaign headquarters were effectively being held hostage there,

1:47:59

along with close associates.

1:48:01

You’re standing there with no real alternative in front of you:

1:48:03

you know, either you read from the paper and then

1:48:06

get out to Lithuania and keep quiet, or

1:48:08

you sit in prison right now. We won’t even touch you,

1:48:11

but you’ll simply hear, from behind the

1:48:14

wall, your campaign staff screaming

1:48:16

as we shock them with electricity and tell them

1:48:19

we’re doing it because you,

1:48:20

Tikhanovskaya, refused to record

1:48:22

just one little statement. Of course she recorded it.

1:48:26

She was dealing with monstrous fascists,

1:48:29

the vilest, most deceitful people on earth.

1:48:32

Of course she recorded that address and

1:48:35

she left. But she is, as it were, finished—

1:48:38

and he remains the sitting president.

1:48:39

the elected president of the Republic of Belarus

1:48:42

second, she is a symbol of resistance

1:48:45

as a symbol, all of this works perfectly well from

1:48:47

Lithuania, and there is nothing for her to do in Belarus right now, and

1:48:50

and her physical presence there would make

1:48:55

her husband's situation, I believe, even more dangerous

1:48:57

so let's leave aside these beautiful

1:49:00

phrases about why she isn't there with her people

1:49:02

yes, she is with her people, she is with her

1:49:05

people, it's just that circumstances and life

1:49:07

can be different, can be difficult, and in

1:49:10

some situations it is absolutely right

1:49:12

to record an address like that; she played her

1:49:15

role brilliantly. Those who saw that

1:49:18

address simply went out into the streets even

1:49:21

more, because it was obvious what had been done to

1:49:24

her, because it was clear, so to speak,

1:49:26

what kind of authorities you are dealing with, and

1:49:28

that was very important, and simply, on

1:49:31

her face, everything was written there, and, by the

1:49:33

way, the current behavior

1:49:35

also confirms it perfectly. Belarusians

1:49:38

know how their authorities are structured, and they all

1:49:40

understood it absolutely correctly. Let's

1:49:42

understand it too and not make demands of people

1:49:45

or reproach them for something unnecessary

1:49:46

she is absolutely a hero, and all the women—I do not

1:49:49

insist on this despite the fact

1:49:51

that I see such indignation from some

1:49:54

part of the men over something or other there

1:49:57

you know, like, calling people feminists

1:50:00

whether you switch on feminism or not, but

1:50:03

the outstanding political role of women

1:50:06

in Belarus in this revolution is obvious

1:50:10

and unquestionably heroic, just like that of the whole people

1:50:13

of course, everyone did this, but women

1:50:16

did it in such a way that they broke the spine

1:50:20

of this—well, that means we have

1:50:22

video from, from, from the settlement—show me

1:50:25

once again, I couldn't at first

1:50:29

pronounce it correctly—yes, Machulishchi, I

1:50:33

hope I'm saying it correctly, population 8,000

1:50:35

people. The latest news from Belarus

1:50:37

the adventures of a special forces officer in the settlement of

1:50:40

Machulishchi, population 8,000

1:50:44

[applause]

1:50:49

[music]

1:50:50

[applause]

1:50:52

[music]

1:50:56

[applause]

1:50:59

[music]

1:51:00

[applause]

1:51:12

uh

1:51:13

[applause]

1:51:23

uh

1:51:24

[applause]

1:51:33

107,000 people are watching us live

1:51:36

on air. That was the settlement of Machulishchi, 8,000

1:51:39

people, and essentially what happened was

1:51:42

this kind of symbolic action

1:51:43

which is now very popular in the

1:51:45

republic, and in fact it is very important

1:51:47

everyone talks about, well, a split among the elites, a split among the elites

1:51:50

and that is exactly how a split among the elites happens: when

1:51:52

there is a demonstrative, even if on a

1:51:54

small scale, at the grassroots level, shift

1:51:57

of loyalty in the right direction, that is,

1:52:00

these people, these special forces officers, were showing that we

1:52:03

serve the people, and if our uniform has become

1:52:07

a symbol of fighting against the people, then it is better

1:52:09

to throw this uniform away. This is very important, and

1:52:12

it is happening in the streets right now

1:52:15

Russia's reaction is very interesting

1:52:18

after all, it is not only us

1:52:20

107,000 people, and then however many more

1:52:23

watching with bated breath and wondering what

1:52:26

exactly is happening there

1:52:27

the Kremlin is watching too, obviously talking to

1:52:30

Lukashenko and not understanding what to do. There are also

1:52:32

a great many questions about whether

1:52:36

Artem... Alexei...

1:52:39

our authorities will start cracking down even harder

1:52:41

after watching the protests in

1:52:42

Belarus

1:52:43

I mean, whether they will receive more powers

1:52:45

whether they will expand the National Guard (Rosgvardiya). It is clear that

1:52:47

for Putin, one of the main conclusions will be

1:52:50

that under no circumstances should you allow

1:52:52

candidates into elections. I have often

1:52:54

talked about Tikhanovskaya, and precisely on the question of

1:52:56

elections or no elections, boycott

1:53:00

or no boycott, before registration

1:53:04

Tikhanovskaya's position, and Tikhanovsky's

1:53:06

position, and that of the absolute majority of other people,

1:53:07

was that we would not go to these elections, we

1:53:09

would not participate in them, despite the fact

1:53:11

that there were three formal candidates

1:53:12

Tikhanovskaya appeared there, and she

1:53:15

turned the elections into actual elections, and she

1:53:17

turned all of this into a campaign, but

1:53:19

remove from this great structure

1:53:22

her and Sviatlana Tikhanovskaya, and everything else

1:53:24

falls apart, and no one already

1:53:28

knows whether everything that happened later

1:53:31

would have happened if people had come out as

1:53:34

the finale of a boycott campaign, as had originally

1:53:36

been planned—no one now

1:53:38

knows. But we

1:53:40

have seen very clearly here that a candidate,

1:53:44

a real honest candidate, makes

1:53:47

a campaign nationwide and political

1:53:50

rather than just some kind of... if it had been some nobody there

1:53:52

then people would not have

1:53:54

come out, and no one would have emotionally

1:53:58

reacted to all of this at all. There was

1:54:00

a candidate, and that is exactly why all this happened

1:54:01

therefore the main thing Putin wrote in his

1:54:04

little notebook as point number one, and circled in bold, was

1:54:08

no candidates at all. Allowing candidates

1:54:12

is the main instrument, and here I will

1:54:18

allow myself to say a phrase that I have

1:54:21

been saying for the last two years, even longer

1:54:24

I said that, guys, our main

1:54:26

political demand should be

1:54:28

the admission of all candidates to elections, because

1:54:31

that is the main working instrument. There, in

1:54:32

her notes, it says: under no circumstances let anyone

1:54:34

in. In ours, it should be written:

1:54:37

to demand the registration of candidates in

1:54:39

the elections, because as long as

1:54:42

we are willing to accept, in elections, a candidate like

1:54:44

Sobchak or someone else, well,

1:54:47

nothing works out, because people are taking to the streets

1:54:49

not for Tikhanovskaya at the ballot box,

1:54:51

or in the streets, but for everything—for that broader, generalized

1:54:54

collective cause. Even if they bring in the wonderful

1:54:56

Grigory Yavlinsky, whom I

1:54:57

have a good opinion of, still

1:54:59

those kinds of candidates are not enough.

1:55:01

That is a very, very important point, and

1:55:03

so now, of course, Russia—both the people and

1:55:07

the authorities—is watching all this very closely,

1:55:09

and it is very interesting that the Kremlin

1:55:11

clearly

1:55:12

doesn’t really understand which

1:55:14

strategy to choose.

1:55:15

At first they thought, as these types often do,

1:55:17

that people there might make a bit of noise, but basically

1:55:20

he wouldn’t mess around, he would simply

1:55:22

crush everyone, wipe them out, and so,

1:55:26

everything would stay as it is. But still,

1:55:28

since he seemed to show some hostility,

1:55:30

we’ll treat this cautiously.

1:55:33

And there is even, in fact, a kind of

1:55:37

split among the propagandists.

1:55:39

On some federal TV channels,

1:55:42

they praise Lukashenko and talk about what a

1:55:44

great, smart idea it is. We do not, of course, condone

1:55:46

police violence,

1:55:47

but it certainly works, so

1:55:49

Alexander Grigoryevich did well to disperse

1:55:51

that whole gang. That’s one

1:55:53

part of the propagandists, led by

1:55:55

Skabeyeva. Twenty seconds—let’s take another look

1:55:59

at how, when Belarusian OMON (riot police) are criticized for

1:56:02

their brutality, they also say:

1:56:05

“Take note: in Kyiv they failed to disperse

1:56:07

the crowd, and the Maidan (the 2013–2014 protest movement in Ukraine) began—began and has not

1:56:09

ended for six years running, whereas

1:56:11

here they cut it off in practically three days. We

1:56:13

naturally do not support police

1:56:15

lawlessness, but it is clear that this tactic, this scheme,

1:56:17

works. It is, of course, very important

1:56:22

not to allow a Maidan—another Maidan in

1:56:25

Minsk.” That is the main refrain in everything

1:56:28

they say. And then there is the truly deranged stuff,

1:56:30

starting with Skabeyeva and ending with

1:56:33

people who are completely off the rails, but also in United

1:56:36

Russia—a very ridiculous deputy, Fyodorov, from

1:56:39

the movement—well, a United Russia deputy, Fyodorov—

1:56:40

who says that everything

1:56:43

happening in Belarus is, of course,

1:56:45

staged, and there is no blood there at all.

1:56:48

Where you think you see blood,

1:56:50

look closely—there is not a single dead person, and all

1:56:54

those who were supposedly injured—there were even

1:56:58

some shots of them smearing something on themselves

1:57:00

in an alley and then running out. In other words, it is

1:57:02

all fake, all a performance. Everything

1:57:04

they show us on television, including from

1:57:07

Belarus, is just a show, simply

1:57:09

a show.”

1:57:10

“A movie—with fake blood, costumes, all that. Sharon Stone

1:57:14

likes acting in films like that. There are movies like that,

1:57:17

but the reality there is completely

1:57:18

different, and we simply do not know the real situation

1:57:22

there, deep down, and we do not see it because

1:57:24

the information space is not ours. And anyway, once again,

1:57:26

there are no options with Belarus:

1:57:28

either it is a fatherland within

1:57:31

the framework of a Union State with Russia,

1:57:32

or it is the liquidation of the Belarusian people

1:57:35

for the purpose of cleansing this territory of

1:57:38

undesirable elements after

1:57:40

its annexation by foreign occupiers.”

1:57:43

That is already entering a hot phase.

1:57:46

So, especially for that lunatic from United

1:57:49

Russia, let’s show what is happening right now

1:57:51

in the settlement of Ivenets. This is a

1:57:54

settlement with a population of 4,000—in other words,

1:57:57

literally a large village.

1:57:59

If Deputy Fyodorov and his colleagues from

1:58:02

United Russia think that all this is

1:58:03

staged, then, you know, that would require a pretty large

1:58:06

film crew to organize

1:58:09

these mass scenes in absolutely every

1:58:12

population center in Belarus, including

1:58:15

the settlement of Ivenets. Let’s watch.

1:58:18

[music]

1:58:21

[applause]

1:58:25

[music]

1:58:26

and

1:58:45

do you want to?

1:58:46

[music]

1:58:53

4,000 people live in the settlement. This is probably

1:58:56

the largest number of people gathered in one place at one time

1:58:58

in the entire history of this settlement. But

1:59:00

this means that these grassroots movements

1:59:01

108,000 people are watching us on Max by.

1:59:04

Alexei, Max by asks me: why, in your

1:59:07

view,

1:59:08

did Lukashenko force Tikhanovsky and his team to emigrate?

1:59:10

Why doesn’t his inner circle understand

1:59:12

that the protest is not

1:59:14

for Svetlana,

1:59:15

but against him? There was a very clear

1:59:20

calculation in this. First of all, in their

1:59:24

scenario—mad as it was—you have to understand, this is a man

1:59:28

who has been in power for 26 years, surrounded by equally

1:59:30

fanatical idiots. You saw that

1:59:32

interior minister—it’s just

1:59:34

these are very often abnormal people,

1:59:38

completely detached from reality, and

1:59:41

for 26 years they have been operating in a totally

1:59:43

warped system, with hellish toadies around them, and who have

1:59:45

their own enforcers at their disposal. So

1:59:47

in their conception, they beat everyone up,

1:59:50

and then they take the leader

1:59:52

who is supposedly directing everything. They jailed one,

1:59:54

then they take another woman,

1:59:56

Tikhanovskaya, and force her to record on

1:59:59

paper, “I call on no one

2:00:02

to go out and protest,” so some people

2:00:04

will stop protesting. And then they

2:00:07

send her abroad, and everywhere they will write their

2:00:09

little articles saying that she ran away and abandoned us.

2:00:12

She stirred up this mess among her own people.

2:00:14

And now you and others have to deal with the consequences.

2:00:17

So she herself called people out into the streets,

2:00:19

then left for safe Europe, while here,

2:00:22

look, people are being shot at,

2:00:24

hit with rubber bullets and beaten with batons.

2:00:26

It was a bad idea, of course, simply

2:00:28

to try to demotivate people who

2:00:32

by saying, well, your leader has left, your leader

2:00:35

has betrayed you, so you should leave the streets, but

2:00:37

that no longer worked, because everyone

2:00:39

understood perfectly well that the leader, the leader in the sense of

2:00:42

it seems to me,

2:00:43

the organizational leader, of course, is

2:00:45

more likely no one than any of the existing

2:00:50

politicians. Continuing on Russia, well then,

2:00:52

what we have here is not schizophrenia, it's

2:00:55

a deliberate split: on the one hand,

2:00:58

some part of the Russian, sort of pro-

2:01:00

Putin side says Lukashenko is doing

2:01:02

the right thing, while on the other hand, through the mouth

2:01:05

of people like our Italian friend,

2:01:08

Vladimir Solovyov,

2:01:10

they address Lukashenko. Listen carefully

2:01:11

for a full two minutes, and I'll play it for you. This isn't

2:01:15

just a funny video of how Solovyov

2:01:18

suddenly changed his tune and is scolding Lukashenko. Through Solovyov,

2:01:21

a set of political demands is effectively being voiced

2:01:24

to Lukashenko,

2:01:27

basically: if you want people to be friendly to you

2:01:30

and support you,

2:01:31

then behave this way and do these things.

2:01:34

Vladimir Solovyov, who obviously

2:01:35

is not saying this on his own, is singing the Kremlin's

2:01:38

tune.

2:01:39

I'll repeat once again so there are no

2:01:42

illusions:

2:01:43

I cannot support Lukashenko. I do not

2:01:48

support the position of the Communist

2:01:50

Party of the Russian Federation, which

2:01:51

believes that what is happening now in

2:01:53

Belarus is

2:01:54

a forceful seizure of power, because

2:01:57

Lukashenko—well, no, Lukashenko is not

2:02:01

behaving like an ally of our country.

2:02:03

Lukashenko is not even remotely trying to be one.

2:02:06

Lukashenko detained our people.

2:02:09

Lukashenko's rhetoric

2:02:11

is extremely anti-Russian; Lukashenko's approach to

2:02:15

our country is basically: give, give, give. But he

2:02:19

claims to be an ally, as if he loves us so much.

2:02:23

At the same time, he still has not recognized

2:02:27

the obvious facts.

2:02:27

He did not recognize Crimea, and he behaves

2:02:31

as if everything is just a bargaining process. I do not think that

2:02:35

the Russian Federation

2:02:37

—this is my view, at least for now—

2:02:39

until our citizens are returned to us and until they

2:02:42

start treating our country with respect.

2:02:44

Listen to what is being said there.

2:02:46

He went crawling to Ukraine, trying to make official

2:02:50

overtures, practically trying to kiss them on the mouth,

2:02:51

and they basically told him to get lost,

2:02:54

flat out.

2:02:56

It's not even Zelenskyy talking to him; he ended up

2:03:00

with Poroshenko. Poroshenko is lecturing him,

2:03:04

Poroshenko,

2:03:05

whom nobody wants—a thief, a killer, a bloody

2:03:10

monster—and Poroshenko is the one teaching him,

2:03:14

a man who was kicked out of the presidency,

2:03:17

thrown out with a boot to the backside, so to speak.

2:03:21

In his own country,

2:03:22

an oligarch is teaching Lukashenko about democracy and how

2:03:28

people ought to live, and Lukashenko is practically groveling

2:03:31

before them, putting on this whole performance.

2:03:33

And with Zelenskyy too—so what, did that help him at all?

2:03:39

Not in the slightest.

2:03:41

Waldemar really tore into him there,

2:03:45

but he actually said important

2:03:48

things, because that is exactly how it sounded, like

2:03:50

you didn't listen to us, you were talking

2:03:53

to Zelenskyy, what exactly were you trying to pull here

2:03:55

with all these people? Well, now you're getting it. Don't

2:03:57

do that. If you want to be liked, do

2:04:01

what we told you to do. That's very important.

2:04:03

This is where the political demands come from:

2:04:04

don't be friends with them, recognize what you were told to recognize,

2:04:07

and generally behave yourself, because

2:04:09

you may be a so-called brotherly state, but still

2:04:12

you've been showing a bit too much defiance,

2:04:13

showing off far too much.

2:04:14

And now the people are waiting for you, and you

2:04:18

have to decide:

2:04:18

either they will devour you, or come to us

2:04:22

and we'll help you. The only big

2:04:24

question is this: a lot of people have asked me too,

2:04:27

will Putin help Lukashenko, and so on?

2:04:29

But how exactly can Putin help Lukashenko right now?

2:04:33

What—send in troops, take 20,000

2:04:36

National Guard troops and fly them

2:04:38

to Minsk?

2:04:38

Technically, that's probably possible.

2:04:43

It's probably even possible to deploy that

2:04:45

National Guard force so that it, I don't know, would

2:04:47

beat up and disperse 20,000 people there

2:04:49

—everyone.

2:04:50

Or shoot them. Well, if they start shooting,

2:04:52

their own forces can do that too, if they begin using

2:04:54

live weapons; there will be nothing to be done.

2:04:55

Everyone will have to scatter. But what can

2:04:59

Putin actually do right now? That's a big

2:05:01

question. And by the way, the latest

2:05:04

news is very important: while this program

2:05:07

was coming out, several important developments happened.

2:05:09

The head of the Council of the Republic

2:05:11

—we can show this—the head of the Council of the Republic

2:05:13

(the local parliament, that is),

2:05:16

Natalya Kochanova, said that the authorities do not

2:05:18

want fighting or war, and addressed

2:05:20

Belarusians, saying: "The president has heard

2:05:23

the views of labor collectives and has

2:05:25

ordered a review of all cases

2:05:27

of detentions that took place in recent

2:05:29

days, and intensive work is now underway in

2:05:32

that direction. As of this evening,

2:05:33

more than a thousand people have been released

2:05:36

on the condition that they do not participate in

2:05:37

unauthorized events."

2:05:39

The adults were released into the custody of their parents against signed acknowledgments.

2:05:41

By their parents—well, you see, they’re still kind of

2:05:44

still trying, just a little, to puff themselves up,

2:05:47

to act important, calling the unauthorized

2:05:51

rallies that—but they’ve already moved on to beatings.

2:05:55

Move the hockey aside—but supposedly they knew nothing.

2:05:58

Alexander Grigoryevich (a patronymic form referring to Alexander Lukashenko) is outraged, he—

2:06:01

you know, was simply distracted at that moment, he

2:06:04

was reading an interesting book and had no idea

2:06:07

what was happening in the republic. Of course, he gave no

2:06:09

orders, naturally.

2:06:11

And now the minister—108,000 people, she

2:06:14

is watching, but those who joined later already

2:06:16

heard the interior minister had already stated

2:06:18

that their chief ghoul there, the main one

2:06:20

after Lukashenko, said that he was taking

2:06:22

responsibility for the beatings.

2:06:24

The head of parliament says Alexander Igor—

2:06:26

still knew nothing, then heard about the labor

2:06:28

collectives and gave instructions. You see how

2:06:31

softly they’ve laid it out, because, as I already

2:06:34

said, they realized that a couple more videos of

2:06:37

beatings and people would simply start hanging them. That’s

2:06:42

an important point. And here the question becomes:

2:06:45

so how exactly can Putin help

2:06:49

Lukashenko now?

2:06:49

To paraphrase Vladimir Solovyov (a Russian TV host) from

2:06:51

the previous video, where he said, well,

2:06:53

“Did Lukashenko help you? And your Zelenskyy—”

2:06:56

so to speak—well then, has Lukashenko

2:06:57

been helped by your Putin? Now, a bit about

2:07:01

the conspiracy theories that

2:07:03

they’ll move troops in, annex

2:07:05

Belarus, seize this, seize that—it seems to me

2:07:08

that all of this

2:07:11

is simply unrealistic for a number of reasons. First of

2:07:13

all, it’s a large country of 10 million people

2:07:16

with a fairly large army, and

2:07:19

generally speaking, how that army would behave in

2:07:22

the event of, I don’t know, the arrival or deployment

2:07:25

of Russian troops—that is, is a

2:07:29

war between Russia and Belarus possible? The answer is no. Well, yes, in

2:07:34

2013, if you asked anyone whether a war was possible

2:07:36

between Russia and Ukraine, they also

2:07:38

would have said, “Are you crazy? Of course not.” So

2:07:41

getting involved is possible, but a real

2:07:45

military confrontation with a country of 10 million

2:07:48

in the center of Europe, bordering

2:07:50

EU states—well, it seems to me that

2:07:55

even the most reckless guys in

2:07:57

the Kremlin can hardly imagine that.

2:07:58

Second, there’s a specific factor here after all:

2:08:00

Ukraine and Belarus

2:08:02

are two very different things, unquestionably.

2:08:06

Every time people talk about Ukraine—

2:08:08

“a brotherly people,” Belarus “a brotherly people”—and

2:08:10

these are the stereotypes people are used to repeating.

2:08:13

But still, let’s honestly

2:08:15

admit that in the case of Ukraine there is

2:08:18

this constant opposition—let’s call it

2:08:22

Western Ukraine, a kind of

2:08:25

“Banderites” (a loaded term in Russian discourse for Ukrainian nationalists) who look to the West,

2:08:27

speak a language we don’t understand, we don’t

2:08:30

understand them, and therefore we don’t

2:08:31

like them.” Yes, that exists, and along with it there is

2:08:34

also, it seems to me, a fairly

2:08:37

noticeable, unquestionably existing

2:08:39

everyday level of chauvinism toward

2:08:42

Ukrainians. There are “our Ukrainians”

2:08:44

in the east, and “not our Ukraine” in

2:08:46

the west; in Kyiv it’s all mixed together, and

2:08:49

there are those there who don’t want to, who talk about the Right Sector (a Ukrainian nationalist group),

2:08:50

and if we want to teach someone something—well, that is,

2:08:53

they’re sort of dissatisfied, and in principle

2:08:56

you can whip some people up

2:08:59

against Ukrainians. But to whip people up against

2:09:02

Belarusians? Seriously? I mean, yes, all I ever

2:09:05

hear about Belarus is that someone starts

2:09:07

joking about potatoes, breaks into a smile, and

2:09:09

says, “Come on, they’re our brothers,”

2:09:11

we have a Union State with them (the Russia-Belarus supranational framework),

2:09:14

and when you leave and enter, at the little booth

2:09:17

it doesn’t say

2:09:19

“Entry to Russia.”

2:09:20

It says, “For citizens of the Union

2:09:22

State of Russia and Belarus.” That’s

2:09:26

not just some cliché. And most importantly,

2:09:28

there is no people considered more brotherly.

2:09:30

And if they say, “Look, they’re running around there,”

2:09:32

“fighting the police,” and then some

2:09:35

federal TV viewers are sitting there and being

2:09:38

told, “This is another Maidan (the Ukrainian protest movement associated with the 2013–2014 revolution),”

2:09:39

well, you can’t show people there

2:09:42

speaking some alien language

2:09:45

—not to mention that Belarusian,

2:09:47

of course, but generally speaking everyone

2:09:49

speaks Russian there.

2:09:50

And even when they speak Belarusian,

2:09:51

you can still understand what they’re saying, and in

2:09:54

that sense

2:09:54

there is absolutely none of that level

2:09:57

of xenophobia toward Belarusians.

2:09:59

There’s none at all, and no desire to conquer them either. I mean,

2:10:02

who would do that to a Union State partner?

2:10:03

It would be like annexing Oryol Oblast (a region of Russia),

2:10:05

in the mind of even an

2:10:07

imperially minded person. I mean, if

2:10:10

we’ve already created a Union State

2:10:12

with them, then what exactly is there to seize,

2:10:14

and why? In that sense, any kind of

2:10:17

intervention looks, frankly, to me

2:10:20

completely unrealistic, and it’s unlikely to be

2:10:22

supported by society. So it’s unlikely

2:10:27

that Putin can really help Lukashenko much right now.

2:10:31

My guess is that he

2:10:33

is simply calculating the options right now:

2:10:36

that Lukashenko will be discarded, and then the Kremlin

2:10:40

will start doing what it is very

2:10:41

good at doing—namely,

2:10:43

stirring things up, basically. I mean,

2:10:45

the country is small, and they’re roughly

2:10:47

estimating how much money they’d need

2:10:50

to buy off

2:10:51

all the politicians, all the mass media,

2:10:53

bring in their own oligarchs,

2:10:55

take part in privatization, and simply

2:10:58

turn Belarus into some kind of trash heap,

2:11:00

like, you know, the way they talk about Ukraine—

2:11:03

So it turns into some kind of endless...

2:11:05

struggle: all politicians are corrupt, all media outlets are

2:11:07

bought and paid for.

2:11:08

And most likely, I think the Kremlin's Plan B

2:11:11

is to take Grigory...

2:11:13

to evacuate some portion of the police officers,

2:11:16

to pull them out as well, and once again we will have to

2:11:17

have Russian taxpayers support

2:11:19

police officers. On the other hand, we are already supporting

2:11:21

a whole lot of Ukrainian police officers,

2:11:23

and now we'll also have to support a whole lot of

2:11:24

Belarusian police officers who committed

2:11:27

crimes against their own people,

2:11:28

who will come here. And the broader idea going forward

2:11:31

is simply not to let Belarus become

2:11:35

a functioning state, first and foremost through

2:11:37

bribing politicians, through bribing the media, because

2:11:40

it's obvious that any transition period

2:11:43

will be very difficult. Even if we imagine

2:11:46

some ideal, rosy scenario,

2:11:51

a rosy scenario where Lukashenko steps down or simply

2:11:54

announces a new election and says, "Guys, I

2:11:56

realized I was wrong, I'm calling new

2:11:57

elections," and then in those elections

2:12:00

Tikhanovsky, Babariko, and Tsepkalo at a minimum take part,

2:12:05

and there are also veteran opposition figures there,

2:12:07

and others come in from abroad,

2:12:10

and can you imagine what

2:12:13

will start there? I mean, the right thing will start:

2:12:15

real politics will begin,

2:12:17

competition for votes. But then everyone will say, "Look,

2:12:19

the opposition used to be united, and now look

2:12:23

it's fallen apart and now they're all fighting

2:12:25

among themselves." I've said this many times

2:12:27

and I'll say it again: people who say

2:12:30

the phrase

2:12:31

"the opposition figures are fighting among themselves"

2:12:33

are idiots. It's very important to understand this, and under no

2:12:36

circumstances should this

2:12:38

stupidity be repeated.

2:12:39

It is politicians' job to argue

2:12:42

with each other. They are not soulmates; right now they have temporarily

2:12:45

united around

2:12:47

Tikhanovskaya, and that worked great, but

2:12:50

if there are new elections, each of them will run

2:12:53

independently. Babariko will have a lot of money,

2:12:55

while Tikhanovsky probably won't,

2:12:58

because he doesn't have any money; he

2:12:59

has only just gotten out of prison. Meanwhile, Tsepkalo

2:13:01

has international connections, and each of them

2:13:03

has their own platform, and naturally they will

2:13:05

start competing. And this is where we're already

2:13:07

looking far

2:13:09

ahead, and really dividing the skin

2:13:12

of the bear before it's been killed; of course we are

2:13:14

dividing the skin of someone else's unkilled bear,

2:13:16

a Belarusian one. But we simply must not

2:13:24

get drawn into this whining discussion: "Oh, they've all

2:13:27

fallen out, and look,

2:13:29

the opposition has split and started fighting

2:13:32

among themselves." There is no such monolithic

2:13:34

thing as "the opposition"—these are different

2:13:37

people with different views. Right now they

2:13:39

have come forward and

2:13:41

in this situation, in the only possible

2:13:43

proper and natural way, the main

2:13:46

opposition figure

2:13:46

is the one who organized all the protests, and

2:13:51

but what happens next will be

2:13:53

a very complicated process, and that difficult

2:13:56

process of building a normal

2:13:58

state can very easily be

2:14:01

torpedoed if you are a rich,

2:14:04

corrupt, malicious, and deceitful neighbor,

2:14:08

and Putin's Russia

2:14:10

—though the Kremlin is not Russia, but the Kremlin is

2:14:15

certainly such a neighbor. Now, on the latest

2:14:19

news coming in—show us

2:14:20

the photo of the order from Belshina, one of the, you know,

2:14:24

largest enterprises, Belshina in the city of

2:14:26

Bobruisk, is going on strike, and

2:14:29

this is already an appeal from the trade union committee.

2:14:33

That is, we have seen many

2:14:35

I want to talk about this in detail now,

2:14:37

because it seems to me that the most

2:14:39

important thing happening right now

2:14:42

is that this is no longer just workers making statements—this is

2:14:45

an appeal from a trade union committee. You yourselves

2:14:47

understand that all trade union committees

2:14:49

in Russia, and even more so in Belarus, were

2:14:51

completely under the authorities' control.

2:14:53

And now they themselves are already going on strike.

2:14:55

Why did I myself at the start of the program sing praises

2:14:59

to the Nexta channel, even though I don't

2:15:03

know a single person there personally,

2:15:05

and it's just some young people? They took

2:15:09

it upon themselves starting on Tuesday. I even

2:15:12

wanted to show that post which

2:15:14

I think was historic in their

2:15:16

Telegram channel—please show it,

2:15:17

let's take a look at it—where they very

2:15:19

clearly, for the first time, formulated what

2:15:21

needed to be done. It came out on Monday, yes,

2:15:25

when

2:15:26

it was the night after the election, everyone was stunned,

2:15:29

dispersed, beaten down, and there were no people

2:15:32

who could clearly formulate, well,

2:15:35

there was no leader who could

2:15:37

say it. Nexta took that role upon itself, probably

2:15:42

along with other channels; I simply know less

2:15:43

about this than those who live

2:15:45

in Belarus, but from here it seems to me that

2:15:48

that is roughly how it happened. It took on

2:15:49

a leadership function and declared it. This is

2:15:51

also a very important thing. There is also a lot of

2:15:53

talk about a supposedly leaderless protest,

2:15:55

about the scope of a leaderless protest,

2:15:57

about how a protest worked without a leader—

2:15:58

that's all nonsense.

2:15:59

There is never such a thing as a leaderless

2:16:01

protest, period. Someone still

2:16:03

has to formulate some kind of message.

2:16:05

The only question is that it does not necessarily have to be one

2:16:06

person, and here it was some three young guys

2:16:09

sitting in Poland. And basically it was clear what needed to be done:

2:16:12

it was basically clear what needed to be done.

2:16:14

You either had to go out into the streets or surrender, but

2:16:17

they simply made use of the information...

2:16:19

They told the outlets this clearly, so that’s how it is.

2:16:21

Guys, we’re doing this—and everyone started doing it.

2:16:24

And after that, they did the most

2:16:28

right thing, it seems to me, in this

2:16:31

situation in Belarus: after everyone had been beaten, they called on people

2:16:34

They said: we go out at night

2:16:36

to protest, and during the day—go out at night

2:16:39

to demonstrate. The way they phrased it was exactly right,

2:16:40

because we don’t just need to

2:16:42

stop working—we need to declare

2:16:44

a strike. And there was a very clear and

2:16:47

unambiguous call for an indefinite strike. When I

2:16:50

read that, I was thrilled, because

2:16:53

I’ve been talking for several weeks about a strike in

2:16:56

Khabarovsk (a city in Russia’s Far East)

2:16:58

as an important mechanism, and in Belarus

2:17:00

especially against the backdrop of

2:17:01

the beatings, it’s an incredibly powerful tool

2:17:07

that is relatively safe

2:17:10

and even quite safe, I’d say.

2:17:12

A strike is the kind of thing where they’re not

2:17:14

shooting at you, but you strangle the regime

2:17:16

even faster. That’s exactly why—just now I quoted

2:17:19

the statement by the speaker of parliament,

2:17:21

and ours says he listened

2:17:23

to labor collectives, because it’s one thing when

2:17:25

people are running through the streets.

2:17:27

Of course, that frightens them most of all, but they

2:17:29

have this attitude: we don’t

2:17:31

pay attention to that, and with these people

2:17:33

we speak differently.

2:17:35

It’s another matter when workers from BelAZ (the Belarusian heavy truck manufacturer) come out and

2:17:38

say: we’re joining the strike. When

2:17:40

no one had officially declared it, that was actually a bold

2:17:42

step. And it wasn’t at all obvious that

2:17:44

it would work, because when we look at

2:17:47

our experience with strikes, there were some

2:17:49

in the early 1990s, and before that all the way back to 1916

2:17:54

or 1905. As for foreign parallels,

2:17:57

you can recall the strikes

2:18:00

during

2:18:02

what was it called—May, well, in short,

2:18:05

the events of 1968 in France,

2:18:09

that whole front, that anti-

2:18:12

de Gaulle movement—strikes went on there

2:18:15

for many, many days, until

2:18:19

those rebellious anti-Gaullist forces

2:18:21

succeeded, succeeded in getting

2:18:23

de Gaulle to call early elections. So this

2:18:25

took many, many days—you should think of it as

2:18:27

a marathon, a difficult strike movement

2:18:30

that took a long time to build momentum. Then, of course, there was

2:18:33

the Polish

2:18:35

Solidarity strike movement, but that was a long time ago too. And

2:18:38

the last probably successful political

2:18:40

strike of this kind that people still

2:18:43

remember was in Yugoslavia, when Milošević

2:18:46

was being overthrown. It took six days

2:18:49

of the main mine being on strike before

2:18:51

Milošević agreed to meet the demands

2:18:54

and step down as well, after the election, and Koštunica

2:18:56

came to power, basically.

2:18:58

So this call in Belarus to urge

2:19:00

strikes

2:19:01

was absolutely the right thing to do, a very

2:19:04

brave move, but a very non-obvious one,

2:19:08

because in Belarus everything is tightly controlled, plus

2:19:11

a huge number—the majority—of

2:19:14

enterprises are in state

2:19:15

ownership. There are many private companies too,

2:19:17

but they’re unprofitable. In other words, everything is totally

2:19:19

dependent on the state. And it’s one thing

2:19:22

to organize a strike at a private

2:19:24

enterprise, and another thing entirely at a

2:19:26

state-owned one that is under absolute control.

2:19:27

And

2:19:28

it worked. That’s the most

2:19:31

astonishing thing, and to me it completely

2:19:33

changes everything that happened there, it seems to me.

2:19:38

And as far as I followed it, the first to join

2:19:41

and openly declare it was the Zhabinka

2:19:44

sugar factory, and of course those

2:19:47

people who were the first to say it—because

2:19:50

that’s how a strike works—it’s very

2:19:52

frightening to be the first, the first to say

2:19:55

“I’m striking,” just as an individual

2:19:57

worker, because what if they don’t

2:20:00

say it too—those behind you, your colleagues—and

2:20:02

they simply fire you alone, and you’ll look like a fool.

2:20:04

You said “I’m striking,” they fired you, and no

2:20:07

strike happened. And it’s just as hard for an

2:20:08

enterprise to say: we’re first. Well, the

2:20:11

sugar factory

2:20:12

announced a strike, thugs came to you,

2:20:15

beat you with batons, drove off, and everyone

2:20:17

else laughed at you—ha ha, the strikers.

2:20:19

And those people really are

2:20:23

simply incredible.

2:20:25

The Zhabinka sugar factory, which, as I understand it,

2:20:27

is where the strike movement began,

2:20:30

the movement that has already forced—we can say that now—

2:20:33

Lukashenko to begin

2:20:36

negotiations with the protesters.

2:20:44

Knowledge.

2:20:54

da di da

2:20:57

Almost simultaneously with it, the Vekovsk

2:20:59

sugar factory, the electrical engineering

2:21:01

Kozlov Electrotechnical Plant,

2:21:02

from there—10 seconds of how it all began,

2:21:04

because it’s important to see: these people

2:21:07

are ordinary workers in hard hats and coveralls,

2:21:10

they

2:21:10

but the real heroes, of course, the real super-

2:21:13

heroes, are those who went out into the streets.

2:21:15

Superheroic people like Tikhanovsky (Sergei Tikhanovsky, Belarusian opposition figure),

2:21:17

who have been sitting there for a long time already, in those

2:21:19

detention centers, and they were the ones who started all this. And without those

2:21:22

Tikhanovsky videos and those first trips,

2:21:24

apparently none of this would have happened at all. But

2:21:27

the people who were first to declare a strike are

2:21:29

also absolutely heroes, of course, and to me

2:21:32

Kozlov.

2:21:44

And then what happened was what actually always happens when

2:21:47

one brave person, then a second brave person,

2:21:50

and we know, broadly speaking, that

2:21:52

the strike movement, the trade union movement,

2:21:54

it—it almost always, more often than not,

2:21:59

wins. So—don’t ask, just watch the video.

2:22:02

The video about the dismissal is ready now.

2:22:03

I’ll write that later, but for now I’ll finish talking about the strike

2:22:06

movement. It always wins, it

2:22:08

forces the authorities to meet demands.

2:22:11

It always works, but being the first

2:22:14

is very scary. But once there are already some

2:22:15

first examples, everyone sees: well, there they are, at

2:22:17

their sugar factory, they declared one.

2:22:20

Nobody ate them alive, nobody killed them, and

2:22:23

it becomes clear: what can you really do to them at night?

2:22:25

What can you do to them? Sure, you can bring in

2:22:27

OMON (riot police), but you still can’t force them to work,

2:22:31

you just can’t. So they declared a strike, and

2:22:33

they did.

2:22:33

They’re not blocking the road or anything, they’re just

2:22:36

there in the factory yard, and

2:22:38

then it started, one after another.

2:22:40

Then something happened that, to me, was also very

2:22:42

symbolic.

2:22:43

As often happens, one person

2:22:47

does something brilliant, and it really

2:22:49

changes the situation. At the Khimvolokno plant

2:22:51

this happened: there was a meeting, so

2:22:54

they were announcing a strike, the plant managers were sitting there,

2:22:58

the workers were sitting there, and someone—some

2:23:00

great guy, older already judging by

2:23:05

his voice—did something that later

2:23:07

happened at absolutely every factory, and

2:23:10

it was incredibly inspiring. And I’m sure

2:23:12

this is what worked: when Lukashenko

2:23:15

and his people, his ministers, and everyone else,

2:23:18

the police, saw these videos, they

2:23:21

understood that, well, maybe they

2:23:24

hadn’t completely lost yet, there was still a long

2:23:26

story ahead, but they definitely had not

2:23:28

won already. When someone at the

2:23:30

Khimvolokno plant said: all right, let’s see who

2:23:32

voted for Tikhanovskaya—everyone stand up.

2:23:35

A legendary, historic 47 seconds.

2:23:44

[music]

2:23:50

This is it.

2:23:51

[applause]

2:23:55

[music]

2:24:10

[applause]

2:24:18

There it is, you see. By now we’ve already

2:24:21

seen lots of videos from different factories, and they’re

2:24:23

all great, but back then this really was

2:24:25

something else: there they were, ordinary workers,

2:24:27

standing there in their work uniforms, and Lukashenko always

2:24:29

said, “They’re mine.”

2:24:30

And now they stand up and shout, “We voted

2:24:33

for Tikhanovskaya,” and what can you do about that?

2:24:36

How can you counter that? You can’t, because

2:24:39

it’s obvious nobody paid them, nobody

2:24:41

is pulling their strings—what U.S. State Department?

2:24:46

They’re not oriented toward any foreign

2:24:47

countries, they don’t know foreign languages, they’re just ordinary

2:24:50

normal working people, and all of them

2:24:52

voted for Tikhanovskaya. That, of course,

2:24:54

was important—a very important thing. That’s exactly why,

2:24:56

by the way, that’s why there

2:24:57

But as I understand it—and correct me

2:24:59

if I’m wrong, people who live in Belarus—maybe

2:25:01

I’m missing some of the finer details here,

2:25:04

but it was exactly there, after these first

2:25:07

videos, that even the regional head of internal affairs (police) came.

2:25:10

And there, too, a couple of

2:25:15

exactly the same things happened.

2:25:16

There was this kind of spontaneous vote.

2:25:19

A spontaneous vote—let’s watch 23 seconds.

2:25:21

It’s very interesting: so a police officer with

2:25:23

some kind of police leadership

2:25:24

came there, and they decided to play this

2:25:27

game too: who voted for whom for president?

2:25:32

Lukashenko.

2:25:47

[applause]

2:25:54

There, you see? The police chief was

2:25:57

sent over to the factory, because at the factory

2:25:59

a big plant had started making trouble, so they sent

2:26:02

a police officer to sort things out

2:26:03

with them, but the same thing happened there too. He

2:26:06

simply realized just how much of a

2:26:07

minority he was in, and as that police officer was leaving

2:26:11

he said that he was offering

2:26:13

an apology for the fact that police had beaten

2:26:18

factory workers without justification, and that

2:26:20

it would not happen again, and that they would not detain

2:26:22

anyone, because you can’t push against that.

2:26:24

These are the kind of men who

2:26:27

can break through anyone themselves, so messing with

2:26:31

them is obviously not a good idea. Next, this

2:26:32

was also, of course, very important.

2:26:36

[music]

2:26:37

Events at BelAZ also mattered, because it is an absolutely

2:26:40

symbolic place, as I already

2:26:43

said. It’s a profitable enterprise. In

2:26:46

Belarus there are many automotive enterprises—some

2:26:48

operate at a loss, some are profitable. BelAZ is

2:26:49

without question a profitable, functioning

2:26:51

enterprise that supplies products to

2:26:53

the West. Seven seconds: the workers simply

2:26:55

come out of the workshops—there are many of us.

2:27:06

This was always presented as

2:27:10

BelAZ: look, Alexander Lukashenko

2:27:14

with his supposedly remarkable, remarkable

2:27:17

Belarusian socialism had created this, and there he

2:27:20

had this model enterprise.

2:27:21

It was supposedly socialism,

2:27:23

but also a great enterprise operating at

2:27:25

an international level.

2:27:26

And then it turns out that everyone there is against him.

2:27:28

That was very important. That’s why

2:27:30

the mayor came to BelAZ right away. I

2:27:34

already showed you at the beginning of the program

2:27:36

how events developed, how he came there and

2:27:39

they were chanting at him there too, “Take OMON away” (riot police),

2:27:41

but it was also important that he came

2:27:44

there immediately, as soon as some number of people

2:27:47

from several workshops—it was obviously not all of BelAZ, of course—

2:27:49

came out. There are, I think, 6,000 or maybe 11,000 people working there.

2:27:52

Clearly not everyone came out, but

2:27:54

as soon as they saw that workers were coming out,

2:27:57

the mayor immediately drove over and spoke

2:28:00

with them at the factory gate: “Here are our bosses.”

2:28:04

Just look at the picture we have here.

2:28:06

Don’t be shy now.

2:28:10

Raise your hand for Lukashenko again, you know,

2:28:15

raise your hands, don’t be shy, nobody...

2:28:18

knows nothing

2:28:23

[applause]

2:28:25

there's your answer to those percentages

2:28:29

of the presidency—so there you have the real truth

2:28:34

the truth that the people rose up against

2:28:37

honestly, honestly, you can see it all—well, the people

2:28:50

rose up, honestly, we voted—so what

2:28:52

what more do you want, and now there's nothing you can

2:28:54

do about it

2:28:55

the latest news about what's happening

2:28:57

Malinovka

2:28:58

*Wedding in Malinovka* (a famous Soviet musical comedy)—everyone knows it

2:29:00

it's become a household name for a locality

2:29:01

but this is the real Malinovka, in Belarus

2:29:04

a small settlement—you can see what's happening there in the video

2:29:05

it's simply that now, already at night,

2:29:08

people are still, in effect, standing there

2:29:10

with balloons by the roadside, and cars are amazingly

2:29:12

honking—Malinovka

2:29:14

[music]

2:29:14

[applause]

2:29:18

[music]

2:29:25

ah, and this

2:29:29

continuing on what seems to me to be the main

2:29:31

story—the story with these strikes, and

2:29:33

this whole scenario of who voted for whom

2:29:35

was repeated everywhere, and of course it

2:29:37

worked brilliantly everywhere, and it makes

2:29:39

just an enormous impression on all the

2:29:43

local authorities and so on, because

2:29:44

say, in some city, the mayor gathers there

2:29:47

with the police chief, and they're discussing, like,

2:29:49

how right now we'll break it up, we'll round people up

2:29:51

and where we'll keep the detainees, but

2:29:52

after this, they can no longer do that

2:29:55

because the mayor says, basically,

2:29:57

hold on, where exactly? Everything here will come to a stop

2:30:00

right now—none of them will work

2:30:02

and tomorrow they'll get even angrier and they'll come

2:30:05

and they'll burn my

2:30:08

district administration building to the ground, right here because of you

2:30:10

and they'll hang the police chief on the fence

2:30:12

do you want that? I don't

2:30:14

and the police chief is in the same position—very

2:30:17

interesting—there was a construction plant

2:30:19

a major construction enterprise, I

2:30:21

don't remember exactly what it's called, I won't lie

2:30:23

but it was one of the large construction enterprises

2:30:24

44 seconds

2:30:28

[music]

2:30:28

[applause]

2:30:49

you can see what an uncomfortable situation

2:30:52

an official immediately ends up in—there's

2:30:55

nothing he can do if you have an enterprise there

2:30:57

a town-forming enterprise, I mean, you

2:30:58

really understand there are thousands of people at

2:31:01

that enterprise, and if they go on strike then

2:31:03

there's nothing you can do about it

2:31:06

besides, again, those enterprises

2:31:08

are inside secured areas

2:31:10

and if you try to storm them, they can simply

2:31:13

beat everyone to hell—well, all sorts of things

2:31:15

can happen there, and we've seen

2:31:18

history knows that when people tried

2:31:21

to suppress by force

2:31:23

strikes at enterprises specifically, it was

2:31:26

very difficult and fraught with all kinds of

2:31:29

consequences, because the workers at that

2:31:31

enterprise, having—I don't know—simply

2:31:33

knowledge of the plant, its mechanisms, in my

2:31:36

view, the fenced-off territory, and so on, they

2:31:37

can resist quite fiercely

2:31:39

so nobody wants to let it get to that

2:31:41

and it seems to me that this

2:31:44

has already become a step toward the next thing

2:31:47

all political analysts endlessly tell us

2:31:49

about a split among the elites, and in Belarus the elite

2:31:54

seemed completely monolithic, yes—like

2:31:57

there it is, that mafia sitting there, it's been there for 26 years

2:31:59

repeating all this nonsense, loving Lukashenko

2:32:02

because he gives them lots of money, and they're ready

2:32:05

to kill, to shoot anyone for him—but then

2:32:08

the people who came out on the night after the election

2:32:11

especially those who came out from Monday

2:32:13

into Tuesday, then the women in the streets, in

2:32:17

those chains, lining up in human chains

2:32:19

speaking out against the violence, and then

2:32:21

the striking enterprises

2:32:23

they, of course, immediately widened

2:32:27

this crack, starting at the grassroots level

2:32:29

and

2:32:30

one of the symbolic things as well

2:32:33

that is now happening on a mass scale

2:32:35

first one person, then a second

2:32:38

person—Russian propagandists, take note,

2:32:40

were laughing, saying these special forces officers

2:32:41

weren't real

2:32:42

one of them had supposedly been in Germany, and another

2:32:45

had the wrong cockade—but now it's already

2:32:47

an absolutely mass phenomenon: statements from various

2:32:51

security officers saying they're throwing away their uniforms

2:32:53

because they don't want to be part of

2:32:56

those who are waging war against the people. Here's a short compilation

2:32:59

a short clip of a special forces officer in which he

2:33:01

throws away his uniform

2:33:17

I'm ashamed of you, so-called

2:33:20

brothers—come to your senses

2:33:22

Long live Belarus. Greetings to everyone from the Belarusian

2:33:29

special forces brotherhood of Belarus—it no longer exists

2:33:37

no, guys

2:33:38

this is already a disgrace

2:33:49

of the Republic of Belarus

2:33:50

I took an oath to protect my

2:33:52

people, and I am ashamed of the kind of

2:33:54

lawlessness now coming from the security

2:33:56

structures, and especially the internal troops, and

2:33:58

I was once proud to keep this

2:34:00

uniform as a memory of the oath I gave

2:34:02

to my people, but that oath has been

2:34:04

betrayed. I no longer need this uniform

2:34:07

and at first it seemed to them that they were somehow in between

2:34:15

Lukashenko and all these people. I

2:34:18

even feel a little personal

2:34:20

responsibility for police captain Gora

2:34:22

Yemelyanov, who wrote on Instagram

2:34:25

a post saying that he had posted his

2:34:26

ID

2:34:27

and wrote that he was leaving the police

2:34:30

that he should, he really should be

2:34:32

with his people, and he posted

2:34:34

these confirmations proving that he was

2:34:36

indeed a police officer, and I said: 400 likes

2:34:40

and of course people noticed right away

2:34:42

I posted it everywhere and said,

2:34:44

guys, let's support him — 400 likes

2:34:47

we need a million—well, I don't remember exactly, but he

2:34:49

got, if not hundreds of thousands,

2:34:50

of likes. Then they arrested him, they

2:34:53

summoned him supposedly to process some

2:34:56

documents, and as soon as he walked

2:34:58

into the building, they detained him there for

2:35:00

allegedly taking part in unauthorized

2:35:03

events. Basically, like: oh, so you decided

2:35:05

to step out of this whole mutual cover-up,

2:35:08

so we'll detain you. But then there was

2:35:10

this idea that they wouldn't be able to jail

2:35:12

everyone who refused to do it. But that

2:35:16

didn't last long, because again,

2:35:18

police officers and military personnel are just

2:35:20

ordinary, normal people, just

2:35:23

normal people, and they see what's

2:35:25

happening: they beat someone there, beat up a neighbor,

2:35:27

they see cars being smashed up,

2:35:31

some old man's mirror got broken, and so

2:35:33

on. They don't want to be part of this. They

2:35:35

are leaving en masse. This local police officer did too

2:35:38

because, after all, he talks every

2:35:41

day with the people around him, and in the end he

2:35:43

records a one-minute video, also understanding

2:35:45

that he could be jailed for it. That's why it's so

2:35:48

scary and hard to be the first, but still he

2:35:50

records it and posts it. Here's an excerpt

2:35:52

from the local police officer who was one of the

2:35:53

first. My name is Ivan Nikolaevich Golos

2:35:56

and I am

2:35:57

an employee of the internal affairs bodies

2:35:59

serving as a local police

2:36:00

inspector

2:36:01

Colleagues, we swore with you to protect

2:36:04

the Belarusian people, but instead we

2:36:06

have left them at the mercy of just one man

2:36:08

who violently seized this

2:36:11

power and now does not have the courage to

2:36:13

stop the bloodshed

2:36:14

by returning power to the people. Colleagues, I

2:36:17

call on you to stop this violence and not

2:36:21

point weapons at peaceful, unarmed

2:36:23

citizens. I, Ivan Nikolaevich Golos, in 2015

2:36:28

swore allegiance to the Republic of

2:36:30

Belarus and its people. I am not resigning from the

2:36:33

internal affairs bodies

2:36:34

but I do not intend to carry out criminal orders

2:36:36

Svetlana Georgievna Tikhanovskaya,

2:36:39

you are my lawfully elected president, and at

2:36:42

this moment I am awaiting your orders on

2:36:44

protecting the Republic of Belarus and its citizens

2:36:46

Colleagues,

2:36:47

I urge you to stand with the people

2:36:53

So this

2:36:56

officer, in principle, acted exactly

2:36:59

as he was told to by

2:37:00

his conscience, the law, and his oath

2:37:03

At first, of course, they laughed at these

2:37:05

videos: haha, some fool, now we'll

2:37:07

find him and crush him. But then one, two, three, four — after that

2:37:12

it became a process that can't be stopped

2:37:14

and this process, of course,

2:37:16

is happening because it's clear that everyone

2:37:19

can already see where this is going, and more and more people are

2:37:21

joining in — and it's no longer just

2:37:24

special forces or police officers, but officials too, and

2:37:27

an official from the presidential administration, moreover

2:37:29

a fairly high-ranking one

2:37:31

namely Artyom Proskolovich, deputy

2:37:34

head of the department for legislation in

2:37:38

law enforcement and military affairs

2:37:39

of the Main State Legal Directorate

2:37:41

of the Presidential Administration

2:37:42

of the President, writes: I no longer

2:37:45

consider it possible

2:37:46

to remain a lawyer in public service

2:37:50

And another person, one of the heads

2:37:53

of the investment department of the Minsk City Executive Committee

2:37:57

in Belarus, still retains, so to speak,

2:38:00

the dignity to record a video address. That is,

2:38:01

in terms of status, this is basically

2:38:03

comparable

2:38:04

to a deputy minister in the Moscow city government

2:38:06

recording a video address saying that he

2:38:07

does not want to be part of all this

2:38:11

Eternal memory and

2:38:16

the Kingdom of Heaven to those who were killed

2:38:22

I hope Belarus will rise above this filth

2:38:29

Peace, love, freedom, and remember:

2:38:35

good always triumphs over evil

2:38:40

Thank you for your attention

2:38:43

I hope that all those responsible

2:38:48

will answer for what they have done

2:38:50

Long live Belarus

2:38:56

You understand, an official from the Minsk City Executive Committee

2:38:58

comes out and says: good always defeats

2:39:01

evil. Long live Belarus

2:39:02

This is important, and the feeling it creates

2:39:05

spreads instantly

2:39:06

instantly — that this can be done, that it's no longer

2:39:09

frightening, and that's the most important thing, right

2:39:11

And now even the military, who were brought in to intimidate people,

2:39:14

the very same military who were issued

2:39:18

live ammunition, were posting videos

2:39:20

saying: guys, we have live rounds, so

2:39:22

don't mess with us. And then, in a 13-second clip showing these

2:39:26

conscript soldiers being transported, you can see what signs

2:39:28

they are making to the protesters

2:39:31

[music]

2:39:39

[music]

2:39:42

[applause]

2:39:46

So yes, this is already just

2:39:49

a process that cannot be stopped

2:39:52

Of course, different things can

2:39:54

happen; politics rises and falls

2:39:56

In fact, on Monday evening

2:39:59

it seemed that everything had been crushed

2:40:02

that the attempt was over

2:40:04

that the Belarusian revolution had ended, and that we would see only

2:40:08

mass arrests of people, mass

2:40:10

repression — that the regime would simply become a hundred times

2:40:12

Worse still, three hours later, deep into the night there,

2:40:16

in the dead of night from Monday into Tuesday,

2:40:18

it became clear that no, people had not given up.

2:40:21

They would hold out through those three days, and they had already

2:40:23

developed some coordination, and everything

2:40:25

changed. Tomorrow it may change again,

2:40:27

and Lukashenko may somehow do something there,

2:40:29

may start something. He is, of course, a very cunning man, and

2:40:32

without a doubt, politically speaking,

2:40:34

he simply, almost instinctively,

2:40:37

senses what needs to be done, so

2:40:38

he will try to turn the situation around. But in

2:40:40

any case, you can't unmake this—

2:40:43

you can't put the minced meat back through the grinder; this can never be changed now.

2:40:45

No one will ever again believe that he truly has

2:40:48

real support behind him,

2:40:49

that the army is loyal to him, that he truly has

2:40:52

the mass support of a loyal police force, that

2:40:55

the people supposedly love him,

2:40:57

that workers' collectives support him. Even

2:40:59

if tomorrow he suddenly decides to

2:41:01

drown everything in blood, and these little soldiers

2:41:03

who are hesitating now do in fact start

2:41:05

shooting at the people, and power thus returns,

2:41:07

still, the situation that existed

2:41:11

a week ago, last Thursday,

2:41:14

will never come back.

2:41:16

And that is, of course, very important. Today, a very

2:41:19

remarkable group joined the protest: the Minsk

2:41:21

Philharmonic. Here are 48 seconds of people there—

2:41:24

employees of a flagship institution, also a state-run

2:41:26

organization, one hundred percent dependent on

2:41:30

the authorities. I mean, my God—and on top of that,

2:41:32

they won't find another job, you understand. If you

2:41:34

work at some factory, you might

2:41:35

move to another factory. But if you

2:41:37

work at the philharmonic, where are you

2:41:39

supposed to go work? And yet,

2:41:42

they still came out. 48 seconds.

2:41:47

[applause]

2:41:51

[music]

2:41:51

[applause]

2:41:57

[music]

2:42:00

and

2:42:02

[music]

2:42:05

uh

2:42:10

It says: "They stole from me."

2:42:11

[music]

2:42:14

[applause]

2:42:20

[music]

2:42:25

[applause]

2:42:26

[music]

2:42:29

[applause]

2:42:33

You're quite rightly reminding me here that I

2:42:36

am commenting on all this in a rather

2:42:38

optimistic tone, as if

2:42:40

everyone has already won. But Artyom, for example—Vazhenkov,

2:42:44

a former lawyer

2:42:45

from our Tver headquarters, an employee of

2:42:47

Open Russia (a Russian civic movement). He went there, and I was reminded—

2:42:50

Artur Bavrin writes: our

2:42:52

comrade Artyom Vazhenkov, formerly of the

2:42:54

Tver headquarters, is right now being held

2:42:56

hostage by Lukashenko. We ask for

2:42:57

maximum publicity for his immediate

2:42:59

release. Absolutely—do it. I'm speaking as if

2:43:01

victory is just around the corner,

2:43:03

and as if everyone will be released, but

2:43:05

Vazhenkov was arrested and accused there of

2:43:08

being one of the organizers of the protests,

2:43:11

and clearly they are trying to make him and several others

2:43:14

the centerpiece of a case claiming

2:43:17

that they are the organizers of everything

2:43:19

that is happening there, and to jail them for

2:43:21

some completely insane

2:43:23

terms. Of course, we demand the release

2:43:25

of him, and indeed of all the people who

2:43:27

are currently detained, regardless of their

2:43:30

gender, nationality, or citizenship. All of them

2:43:32

must be released. I hope that

2:43:35

the strike movement, by the way,

2:43:37

which has made as its first demand

2:43:41

[music]

2:43:42

the release of all political prisoners,

2:43:44

will achieve this in the coming days, I hope.

2:43:46

But still, we need to remember that for now

2:43:48

this has not yet happened. And very importantly, doctors

2:43:52

have joined the action in an organized way.

2:43:54

They had taken part before, and they were beaten.

2:43:58

There are many videos showing doctors who

2:44:01

came simply to provide help to everyone,

2:44:03

being detained there, arrested, beaten down

2:44:06

just like the others. But nevertheless, they

2:44:07

were organized and today already took part in

2:44:09

these actions. 29 seconds of doctors.

2:44:17

[music]

2:44:27

with, uh,

2:44:28

[music]

2:44:32

[applause]

2:44:42

It's great that key, broadly

2:44:45

recognizable public figures in Belarus have started

2:44:48

speaking out publicly about this. You know,

2:44:50

of course, the name Darya Domracheva—probably the

2:44:52

most famous Belarusian

2:44:54

athlete—also said that she

2:44:56

demands an end to the violence in the streets.

2:44:57

This is very important. Right now, of course, the voice

2:45:00

of every person—any well-known

2:45:04

Belarusian, even moderately well-known—

2:45:07

rappers are speaking out too; honestly, good for them,

2:45:09

because this matters a lot. Because those

2:45:12

kinds of opinion leaders—well,

2:45:14

forgive the simplification—

2:45:17

I mean the people who have lots of

2:45:19

followers on Instagram,

2:45:21

people watch them, read them, and they

2:45:23

are literally changing public opinion

2:45:26

in real time online. It is very telling that while

2:45:29

lower-level police officers have so far

2:45:32

been followed by TV people,

2:45:35

who, especially in an authoritarian

2:45:38

state—let's say it plainly—are

2:45:40

effectively politicians

2:45:41

of a fairly high rank, especially

2:45:44

the well-known ones. They are part of the regime,

2:45:47

an essential part of the regime—its propaganda. And

2:45:50

there is Vladimir Burko, who on Belarusian TV

2:45:52

for a long time hosted a program about the army, and

2:45:55

is, in a sense, one of them

2:45:57

a public face of the Belarusian army, but this

2:46:00

lavishes praise on it in every possible way

2:46:01

he outright resigned, and along with him he effectively took

2:46:04

at least 13 people with him. He recorded

2:46:06

a video address. Let's watch it. He

2:46:07

it's very important, and it appeared, I think,

2:46:10

the day before yesterday or yesterday even, so

2:46:13

he did this at an early stage, which

2:46:15

is important. Hello everyone, my name is Vladimir

2:46:18

Burko. I am a presenter and, until

2:46:21

recently, the host of the military

2:46:23

program *Arsenal* on the Belarus 1 TV channel.

2:46:25

I'll start with the main thing right away: I am no longer

2:46:28

the host of this TV project. I left of my own accord, not

2:46:31

without complications. In fact, I unofficially

2:46:34

was the public media face of the Ministry of Defense

2:46:37

of the Republic of Belarus. I hosted

2:46:39

a program whose creation involved

2:46:41

a large team of amazing

2:46:43

people, professionals, each of whom

2:46:45

I will definitely hug when I see them, and I

2:46:47

am sure they will return the gesture.

2:46:50

Never, not even in my worst nightmare,

2:46:54

could I have imagined or thought

2:46:56

that the soldiers and equipment I

2:46:58

spoke about could be used

2:47:00

against their own people, against peaceful

2:47:03

civilians, against women, and God forbid,

2:47:06

against children.

2:47:08

There it is: a real face from television.

2:47:11

A real presenter with a real voice.

2:47:13

A presenter like that saying something like this—

2:47:15

it really gives the impression that

2:47:17

you're watching an official TV broadcast, but

2:47:19

he is saying, in that same official voice,

2:47:21

things that are absolutely right, and

2:47:24

that changes the situation, and it's genuinely

2:47:27

great. Even Jared Leto, by the way,

2:47:30

responded today—he turned out to be a very receptive person, and

2:47:32

that was absolutely the right approach. There was this idea:

2:47:36

Belarusians who spontaneously organized themselves online

2:47:39

were basically making coordinated runs

2:47:41

at various celebrities—Elon Musk,

2:47:42

they wrote to him today, and he even replied somehow, I

2:47:45

mean. They were just showing up everywhere and saying,

2:47:47

"Guys, support us, because this

2:47:49

is very important right now."

2:47:50

The peculiarity of this moment is that there are many

2:47:52

international events happening, and indeed

2:47:54

the global media are talking relatively little about Belarus

2:47:56

at the moment.

2:47:57

Soon, it seems to me, they will be talking

2:47:59

about it a lot, because the situation here is changing.

2:48:01

So they kept coming and writing

2:48:03

to all kinds of celebrities, and those celebrities

2:48:05

did offer support. Jared Leto, for example,

2:48:08

even posted a special photo

2:48:10

and wrote, "I stand with Belarus," on his

2:48:12

Instagram. A lot of people saw it.

2:48:14

It may seem small, but it is from such small things that

2:48:16

this is built—this political work,

2:48:19

the kind of work every person should be doing.

2:48:23

When we see that an entire nation has set about

2:48:26

this political work, they have achieved

2:48:28

success. I very much hope that Belarus

2:48:32

will succeed too. It really

2:48:34

may sound like a cliché—"a brotherly people"—but truly the closest of brotherly

2:48:38

peoples, and people who suffered under a yoke

2:48:42

even worse than the one Putin and United Russia

2:48:46

have now established in Russia.

2:48:47

So, of course,

2:48:48

any success they achieve will also be our

2:48:52

great success—and simply our

2:48:54

pure, sincere joy.

2:48:58

For our Belarusian brothers and sisters, all those people

2:49:00

who are making whatever contribution they can—

2:49:03

through strikes, through spreading information,

2:49:05

through going out into the streets when they are afraid—they

2:49:09

are simply real heroes, and we

2:49:12

must treat them that way. Those

2:49:13

women who ran Tikhanovskaya's election

2:49:17

campaign, those who were imprisoned

2:49:19

long before the election—Babariko and

2:49:22

Tikhanovsky—these are simply among the most important

2:49:25

people, and each of them made a contribution to

2:49:30

today's historic day.

2:49:33

To close the program, I want

2:49:36

to show one last photograph, a photograph that

2:49:38

appeared from Minsk: a projection

2:49:40

onto a building of a symbol that, well,

2:49:44

had effectively been semi-banned just a couple of

2:49:47

days ago. It is the coat of arms from the previous

2:49:50

constitution, which Lukashenko actively

2:49:52

fought and continues to fight against, and in general his

2:49:53

regime was in many ways a struggle against

2:49:56

everything that had been adopted earlier, when

2:49:59

Belarus became an independent state.

2:50:01

And now something like that can appear on the

2:50:04

streets of Minsk, and basically there is no one left

2:50:06

to run over and beat the people who

2:50:09

made that projection.

2:50:10

That's wonderful. All of us have touched

2:50:14

a historic moment. Wow, amazing—*Žyvie Belarus!* ("Long live Belarus!" in Belarusian)

2:50:16

We wish everyone success, but don't

2:50:19

forget Khabarovsk, don't forget something

2:50:20

else—don't forget what still lies ahead for us

2:50:23

to do, all this work. So let's

2:50:26

start doing it. It begins with

2:50:28

registering for smart voting. Thank you all very much.

2:50:31

See you on Thursday. Bye.

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