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Hello everyone. It's 8:18 p.m. in Moscow, here in the studio.

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This is Navalny Live, Alexei Navalny speaking.

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The so-called blogger, as she called me.

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The wonderful Yelena Mizulina, whom we'll

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definitely talk about today, because

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I've been following her political

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biography for a long time, and I really want to discuss it

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with you. A wonderful, wonderful

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woman. But of course, we'll start with Kemerovo.

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I want to once again thank everyone who

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made donations during our last broadcast

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to help

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those affected by the fire in the city of Kemerovo.

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We raised 500,000 rubles, as you may remember

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— those who watched the previous show know that we raised 400,000

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rubles live on air, and then

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people apparently kept watching afterward, offline,

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and kept sending money. We raised

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half a million rubles. You were all amazing.

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Well done, everyone who made that happen. Right now we're in

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a difficult process, because we need

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to decide whom to give it to. There are many different

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families, and it's not simple. We can't just

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go around randomly

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calling everyone and asking who

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needs help the most. They all

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need help desperately. We'll try,

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as delicately as possible,

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to identify one family, or two or three families,

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who are in the most severe

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financial hardship, and we'll give them the money.

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I'll publish all the receipts, that is,

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it's a delicate process, so I ask

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for your understanding that we simply couldn't

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do it properly in just a week, because

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we didn't want to bother

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the relatives with intrusive phone calls

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and

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and unpleasant questions at such a time. But

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we'll get it all done. Once again, you were all amazing,

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well done.

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Everyone who took part in this—thank you.

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Kemerovo still remains the main

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issue on the political agenda, and you

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remember that when people were discussing, after

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the fire, in the immediate following week,

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everyone was asking: so how exactly will

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punishment and accountability be carried out? What

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conclusions will be drawn from this situation? And

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many wrote—and it wasn't exactly hard to predict—that

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the people punished would be

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the scapegoats. And judging by everything, that's

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exactly what's happening. A fairly substantial

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amount of time has already passed—enough to make

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some definite conclusions.

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What we're seeing now, unfortunately, is

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precisely what you call punishing scapegoats.

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Let's just take a look now at

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the list of those who are currently

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under arrest or detained. There may

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well be other people too, probably, but

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here's what we see right now—look:

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the shopping mall manager, the technical

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director, a person from the

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company that designed the fire safety

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system, a security guard, the general

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director—these are all owners or managers there,

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from the Kemerovo Confectionery Plant.

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The only official—and you can't even call her

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a high-ranking official—

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is the former head of the inspectorate

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of the Kemerovo Region State Construction Supervision agency.

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So it's not just that there isn't a single

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general or someone with a major

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position—there aren't even people in

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mid-level positions here. It was rather

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interesting to watch how

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some media outlets

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announced that the head of the Emergency Situations Ministry (EMERCOM) in

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the Kemerovo Region was being searched. This man

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certainly deserves to have his

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activities investigated. But here's the thing:

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first they reported it and showed [__]

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— some photo supposedly showing that

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searches were underway at his place, or photos from

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his vacation—and then he himself denied it.

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The Investigative Committee said nothing.

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There was a report from Interfax, and

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it ended up being unclear whether

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the local top official was actually searched

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or not, whether he is being held

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accountable or not. But accountability

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is, of course, a matter for the investigation,

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and not everything necessarily has to

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take place in a fully

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public, maximally transparent mode. But

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I repeat: enough time has already

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passed for at least

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the basic political conclusions to be drawn.

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Obviously, the people I just

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showed you who have been arrested may very

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well deserve to be

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arrested. But still, what interests us most, it seems to me,

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is

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the punishment of those people who made this

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possible in the first place. Because, well,

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the word "absurd" always feels

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unpleasant in the context of the Kemerovo

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tragedy

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to use, but nevertheless, the authorities

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are saying this was an unauthorized building, meaning

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the Winter Cherry shopping mall, which is in

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the center of Kemerovo and practically

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the city's largest shopping mall, was an illegal construction.

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And supposedly we're not to blame—some

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woman is to blame, the former head of this

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poor State Construction Supervision office.

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Tell me, please: the mayor drove past this building

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and didn't know it was

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an unauthorized building? And Tuleyev, who sat there for 27 years

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(Aman Tuleyev, the longtime governor), he didn't know it was unauthorized either?

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And he wasn't taking bribes from the developers? And

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the deputy governor, and the deputy mayor in charge of construction,

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and this woman's superior,

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this woman from State Construction Supervision, and the current

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director of State Construction Supervision—they all didn't

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know? So it all just somehow happened by itself?

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you know

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a shopping mall that thousands of people go to

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every day

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the Emergency Situations Ministry, as we know, last year or the year before

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held some kind of

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even a conference there on fire

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safety in a building that is

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an illegally built structure. You’ve probably read that book

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*Night Watch*

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and if you haven’t read the book, then you’ve seen the film

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well, in it there was the building of the Night

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Watch, and

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an ordinary person couldn’t see it; you had to

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be an Other to be able to see it

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that kind of secret building. But in Kemerovo it was the opposite:

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ordinary people somehow

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could see that, well, standing in the middle of the city

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was a shopping mall, a huge shopping mall

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while officials drove past and didn’t notice that there

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was an illegal building there—it just didn’t exist for them. They drove by and

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saw some kind of empty space, or it seemed to them

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that there were still workshops of some

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enterprise there, because now everyone is saying with

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astonishment, my God, so

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this was an enterprise—just imagine, it was still

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officially a factory, a confectionery plant or

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whatever it was there. So, arrest the director of the confectionery

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factory, arrest the director

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of the confectionery factory—he converted

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it wrongly, improperly, criminally, he

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converted

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his workshops into a shopping mall. For years they

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went to this shopping mall, for years they

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drove past it, for years they took bribes from

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all of this, because just think about it yourselves

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any inspection by the Emergency Situations Ministry, any police inspection

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lease agreements, documents confirming the right

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of ownership, permits for the right

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to trade, whatever, licenses

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for the cinema and restaurants surely existed

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were being processed, and for an alcohol license they

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had to bring in a document and show

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that we are located in such-and-such a building

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but there is no building—the building is illegal. If the building

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is unauthorized, and yet inside it there is

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massive commercial activity going on, well

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then obviously, excuse me, the regional leadership

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and the city leadership knew about it

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were taking bribes from everyone, and that’s why everything

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stayed as it was

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and none of them has been punished. And now there

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the main thing is

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the political conclusion, of course, is

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Aman Tuleyev’s resignation, which was presented

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as his voluntary resignation, although

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it is perfectly clear that it wasn’t exactly

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voluntary. Here’s a man who “voluntarily”

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resigned on April 1

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saying that with such a burden, with such a burden

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in fact, with

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this burden, he cannot, he has no moral

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right to remain governor. Let’s watch 25

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seconds from his address now

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today. I want to tell you now: I have submitted

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to the President of the Russian Federation

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a request to resign. I consider it for myself

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the correct, deliberate, the only

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right decision, because with such a

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terrible burden, to continue working in the post of

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governor is impossible

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and you know, at the moment when we were watching

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all this, I was watching and even thought, well

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after all, there is still something

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human in this man—sorry for the tautology

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he did at least say, “I can’t.” No matter whether Putin

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forced him out or something else, he came out and said

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I can’t carry on with such a burden. Fair enough. But

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then it turned out that with such a burden

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he cannot be governor, but

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he is keeping the governor’s residence for himself

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that state residence—he is keeping it

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for himself. He is also keeping the title of

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“People’s Governor,” and that title is not

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just something printed on a business card; with

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that title come money and 3

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million rubles a year (about $50,000), despite all

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that burden, which he will continue to receive

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from the Kuzbass budget

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more than that, what happened after this

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turned everything into, excuse me, simply

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some kind of disgusting farce, because

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unable to bear this monstrous burden

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Tuleyev said that he was stepping down, and we

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assumed that he had left public service, but

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it turned out that immediately, within

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a single day, he became a deputy, and the whole country

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said: how can that even be? Without

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an election? And today it became clear that

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an absolutely ingenious, in its sheer brazenness

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and nastiness, scheme had been

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carried out

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so, Tuleyev, like all the other crooked

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governors, headed the list

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of United Russia in the regional assembly; he was

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the “locomotive” candidate. Then when they

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there, you see, right now you can see the list

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so, Tuleyev headed the list

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of United Russia candidates, then they get into the assembly

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well, in Kuzbass apparently, I don’t know

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they got 99 percent or 146. He was supposed to become a

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deputy, and he officially comes in

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and says, you know, I’ve changed my mind, I don’t want

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to be a deputy. And with this obvious lie

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that everyone expected every year: I’ve changed my mind, I don’t

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want to be a deputy, I’d rather remain

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governor, and he officially declines

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the mandate. Then for several years he

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works as governor, and now it turns out

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that at some point, when under the

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burden of responsibility he decided to submit

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something there, he can come back

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and say, by the way, I’ve changed my mind

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again, please give me back my mandate

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and they hand the mandate back to him, and he becomes

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a deputy. How is that possible? This is

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essentially just mockery of the entire

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electoral system, of the whole system

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of power—you can do this several times

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you can change your mind; at the same time, you can be both

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governor and, potentially, well, that is,

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first you're a deputy, a governor,

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a potential deputy, then an actual deputy

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already elected, and at the same time a potential governor

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you decline it, become governor, and

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but after serving as governor for several years, you

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still potentially, at any moment,

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can become a deputy again. But that's

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absurd, nonsense. But still, I asked

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I read it and thought: impossible.

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If he gave it up many years ago, how can he

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possibly get the mandate back?

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I asked our lawyers, and they looked into it

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and said there had been a ruling by the

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Constitutional Court in a similar

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case, which said this was improper,

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some kind of abuse

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of the electoral system. But overall,

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legally, in Russia, this is impossible. Except, sorry,

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excuse me, it is possible simply to

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just go ahead and get a deputy's mandate. So, well,

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fine, he became a deputy. But today came the news

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that a group of United Russia members

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naturally loyal ones, announced that

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they are nominating him for the post of speaker

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of the legislative assembly. So he would, in effect,

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remain the boss of Kuzbass (a coal-mining region in Siberia),

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just having moved over from

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the governor's chair

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where he could no longer stay because of such a

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heavy burden, into the speaker's chair

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of the regional legislature, while keeping his dacha

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and now receiving a double salary. He would

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receive one as speaker of the legislative assembly and also

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continue receiving one as the 'people's governor'

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keeping everything for himself, and he would

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still remain this same

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master of Kuzbass, speeding around in his

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splendid motorcades, as you may remember.

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He didn't even come there on the day of the fire, saying

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that his motorcade would interfere with the work

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of the rescuers. You can google it on YouTube

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and see for yourself: the motorcade really is

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impressive. Nothing has changed, not even

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the person directly responsible for all this, who

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has been sitting in his post for 27 years

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— 28, even; we don't even remember anymore.

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In any case, it's been well over twenty years.

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He of course bears direct responsibility

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for the illegal construction

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for the collapse in EMERCOM (Russia's Ministry of Emergency Situations), for all of it; he bears direct

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responsibility. Nevertheless, he remains.

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There will be some kind of figurehead under him,

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a formal governor — Sergey

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Savelyev, the very same one who at the rally

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said that the people who came to the rally

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had come there for self-promotion. Let's

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watch that 15-second clip, but we need to keep

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watching those 15 seconds. Let's look again.

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Let's watch.

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So what do we have now, after

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several weeks? A few

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scapegoats; they are quite likely

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guilty, they are under arrest, and most

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likely will go to prison.

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The political leaders, both at the

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regional level and at the national level — because, overall,

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I repeat, EMERCOM is responsible for all of this —

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they all remained in their positions, all of them

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stayed right where they were. More than that,

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the Kemerovo authorities, after recovering from

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that brief shock when the spotlight of the whole country

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was turned on them, they

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returned to their usual state

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of organized lawlessness, and it even seems to me

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that they have gone further than they did before.

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Because an absolutely fantastic

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case — well, yesterday it seemed fantastic,

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but today it has turned into a

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completely realistic incident — happened at

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Kemerovo airport, where Mikhail Svetov, a

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fairly well-known

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political activist and libertarian, arrived.

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He travels around cities and towns giving lectures

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on libertarianism, and in particular he

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went to Kemerovo simply to deliver a long-

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scheduled lecture.

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Well, they must have checked the database there and thought, aha,

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some guy is flying in from Moscow who has

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a lot of followers on Twitter,

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so he must be coming here to say something bad about us.

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So, at Kemerovo airport,

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when he landed, he was surrounded by

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a group of plainclothes men who said

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they were miners. Behind them stood

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some police officers. They beat him,

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stuffed him back onto an empty plane and

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sent him back to Moscow. Let's listen to 27

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seconds from Svetov himself.

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So, I have just arrived in

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Kemerovo.

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About 15 people just forcibly

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dragged me into a room and held me there for 40 minutes,

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tore my shirt,

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and forcibly shoved me onto the next flight back to Moscow.

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What is this — Somalia? The Central

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African Republic? Afghanistan?

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Some tribal zone? How can this happen in

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a city — not even in the North Caucasus, but in a

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regional capital?

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A person arrives — you've been to an airport,

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there is security everywhere, police, cameras

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hanging all over the place.

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And then some people simply walk up to this person,

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some thugs — even in the 1990s, something like this

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would have been hard to imagine. These thugs

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grab him, lock him up, and then drag him

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onto a plane and say: that's it, fly back.

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How can this be possible? It can only be possible

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because, of course, it was organized by the local

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police. Of course it was organized by the local

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FSB (Russia's security service), because otherwise it

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couldn't happen. This is an airport — a high-security

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zone, an area with special measures to combat

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terrorism and various threats.

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It’s impossible to do otherwise—there is a person

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there making statements, writing on Twitter

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posting videos, causing a scandal—and nothing

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happens in response.

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You can send it to Moscow: zero attention, zero

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people punished. Everything is the same. This

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Kuzbass, Kemerovo mafia—gangster

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instead of being broken up and

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purged after this enormous tragedy,

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when dozens of people lost their lives

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and the whole country watched in horror

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at it—this mafia feels even

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better, even safer, because now

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they can hide behind all these

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stories about how it was supposedly CIA agents

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spreading information about the dead, and

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so on. They’re simply using this to

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protect their own mafia-style

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interests even more strongly. I’m speaking about all this

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so passionately because

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during the election campaign, I

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went to Kemerovo twice,

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spoke twice in Kemerovo,

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and spoke once in Novokuznetsk. It’s a

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great region. I’m very grateful to the people

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who came to the meetings.

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It’s an excellent region, full of

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wonderful people. There I

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was convinced—I saw that I received

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tremendous support, and I’m very

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grateful to everyone. So somehow I

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want to do something good for these people,

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because when I came,

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for example, to Novokuznetsk,

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there was a rally at the same time—mine and the city mayor’s.

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The mayor of Novokuznetsk, who supposedly got 90 percent there—

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well, our rally was bigger than the mayor’s.

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That’s why I’m fighting for the residents

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of Kemerovo Region, as if they were my own. I

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was in the city of Kemerovo and saw that it is

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one of the most devastated cities

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I’ve ever seen. Novokuznetsk is

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a little better, but Kemerovo is just

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a nightmare—ruined shacks right in the

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city center. And of course it’s simply

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infuriating that this

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mafia has spent 27 years claiming that they

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have achieved something, when in fact they’ve simply

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destroyed the entire region.

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There, 70 percent of sources—from drinking water sources—

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are contaminated. The environmental situation there is monstrous,

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there is poverty,

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there is terrible healthcare.

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In the program where I gave the statistics

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in detail for Kemerovo Region,

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it was among the worst by almost every indicator

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in its category—one of the worst in Russia.

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The standard of living there is awful, the

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life expectancy is awful—everything is bad. And this

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mafia, instead of as a result of these

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tragic events getting what they deserve,

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has only grown stronger. And now they’ll also

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steal more money—funds will now be allocated for

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fire safety, and all that

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money will be stolen together with our

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wonderful federal EMERCOM (Russia’s Ministry of Emergency Situations), where,

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I repeat, no one has been punished, not a single

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resignation has happened. They haven’t even

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acknowledged the obvious: that something in this country

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is seriously wrong with fire safety.

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Even now it’s practically pouring out of every

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crack. After all, we

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naturally started paying closer

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attention to news about

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fires. We saw that in Moscow, at the

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shopping center

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Persey for Children, you understand, there was a fire and

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once again one person died.

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A toy store in Tyumen—let’s

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watch 20 seconds of it burning.

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How can this be in a country where we

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spend 160 billion rubles annually on

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fire safety? Let’s show the footage from Tyumen.

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Let’s take a look at the clip.

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But

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of course,

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this isn’t just a fire—it’s a massive blaze.

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And this is happening all across the country. It

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happens more here than almost anywhere else.

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Last time I cited the number of people killed in

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fires since the catastrophe, the tragedy at

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Winter Cherry (the Zimnyaya Vishnya mall in Kemerovo). This time the figures look

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absolutely monstrous. If we take

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Russia’s annual statistics for deaths in

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fires, then simply

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extrapolating for the period since

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the Winter Cherry fire, in Russia

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450 people have died in fires. We simply

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don’t notice it. If, God forbid, it

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happens in one place, we all see it,

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especially if people start writing

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text messages saying, “We’re dying, we’re dying,

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help us.” But when here one

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person dies in Moscow in a shopping-center fire,

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there one person dies, and all across the

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country people are overcome by smoke, suffocate,

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we are worse than Africa—I said this in the

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last program,

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I’m saying it now, and every time we

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discuss the work of EMERCOM, when we discuss

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the work of rescue services, we need to say this:

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we are worse than Africa,

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worse than any European country,

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worse than in Ukraine,

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worse than everyone else. And these people sit in

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their posts and keep skimming enormous,

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staggering sums—tens of billions

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of rubles every year—puffing themselves up,

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covering their chests with medals, and

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nothing changes from the standpoint of

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fire safety. We see no light at the end of the tunnel.

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Go right now, simply

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to the official statistics site,

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to EMERCOM’s official website, and you

23:08

will see that fire-related mortality in

23:10

Russia is not decreasing. This has failed, it

23:13

has failed, and no one has been punished for it.

23:17

I should say: let me answer.

23:21

A few tweets about them—I thought, why not.

23:24

Will you talk about the fire here in Moscow, and also in

23:26

St. Petersburg there were several fires too, writes in

23:28

the account Overkill, our regular viewer. Well,

23:31

look, it's impossible to talk about every fire.

23:34

They happen across the country constantly.

23:36

Almost 10,000 fires a year, 30 people

23:40

every day—it's just that we wouldn't have paid

23:43

attention to another shopping mall fire

23:45

in Moscow if it weren't for Zimnyaya Vishnya (the Winter Cherry mall fire in Kemerovo).

23:47

But this happens every single blessed day. Show me

23:50

a few more tweets—let me do it this way.

23:52

Anastasia writes: fire is the topic. Ru...

23:54

Tuleyev, cancellation of elections, Excel... I didn't manage

23:56

to read it all. In Kazan they want to build

23:59

a waste incineration plant. The local population

24:01

is against it. How do you make the authorities listen

24:02

to us? Listen—protest, hold rallies.

24:05

In today's Russia, nothing except

24:08

rallies works, and even rallies

24:10

barely work—you need to gather a lot of people.

24:12

Tuleyev resigned. That was

24:14

a pseudo-resignation by Tuleyev, but at least it

24:17

happened.

24:17

And it happened solely because a rally was held.

24:19

If furious residents hadn't come out

24:21

with cameras onto the central square, then even

24:23

Tuleyev's resignation wouldn't have happened—whatever they say there.

24:25

About the working title—I'm being asked: we have

24:29

a party congress on May 19, and as you know, our

24:33

names keep getting stolen. We had

24:34

a party with the name People's

24:36

Alliance.

24:37

That name was stolen. Their mechanism for theft

24:39

is very simple: they take one of their own

24:41

Kremlin parties and simply

24:42

rename it as our party, stealing

24:44

all the symbols and everything else along with it.

24:46

Then the same thing happened with our Party of Progress.

24:49

We tried several times

24:51

to register it, and we were refused.

24:53

And then they stole that name too, stole all

24:55

the symbols, so we've scheduled the congress for

24:57

May 19. Once again, we will

25:00

demand registration of our party,

25:02

because we know that our party

25:04

is the largest mass party in the country. But so that

25:06

they don't steal from us before the congress, we literally

25:09

wrote down the working title as just that:

25:11

we submitted a paper to the Ministry of Justice saying

25:13

Party Congress, quotation marks open, Working

25:15

Title, quotation marks close. At the actual

25:18

congress, at the last moment, we'll come up with some

25:20

new name. Honestly, as of

25:22

today, there is no name yet, because

25:24

well, it no longer matters that much what

25:26

the name will be.

25:28

That's more of a technicality. The main thing is that

25:29

we have a party.

25:32

In essence—I'm being asked by Ovan:

25:35

why in today's video did you compare

25:36

regional ratings with nationwide ones?

25:39

A lot of people didn't understand that. I released a video today—

25:42

a ratings video today, sorry.

25:44

Right now, in the previous program... I'm getting tongue-tied again.

25:46

And I wrote—well, a lot of people wrote,

25:48

there were lots of comments: Alexei, you're starting

25:49

to slur your words. That's absolutely true.

25:52

I am slurring my words. I really need a vacation.

25:55

I am planning to finally take one when

25:57

I can, for about 10 days. In this program,

26:00

I'm just trying to speak more slowly

26:02

so I trip over my words less.

26:03

I really did release a video with a very

26:05

simple idea: no one should be frightened by

26:07

Putin's huge 76 percent ratings.

26:09

It's simply complete nonsense. Take any

26:12

governor in Russia and you'll see that

26:15

his rating is even higher.

26:16

And yes, in that video I compare

26:18

Putin's rating with governors' ratings.

26:21

Of course, a governor's rating

26:23

in the most recent election is within

26:25

his own region, but essentially that changes nothing.

26:27

If propagandists tell us

26:30

that Putin is the top man, the coolest,

26:32

then he should have the highest ratings

26:34

everywhere. And naturally, take

26:35

any governor and ask him who's more

26:38

popular—you or Putin?

26:41

Of course: Vladimir Vladimirovich is the most

26:43

popular.

26:44

It is precisely from Vladimir Vladimirovich, our

26:46

tsar-emperor, that all power flows, and that is

26:51

in fact true. Putin is the foundation of this

26:54

corrupt system of power; it is a personalist

26:55

regime of Vladimir Putin. I'm simply

26:59

comparing him with governors' ratings to

27:00

show once again that these governors—you

27:03

know yourselves—are most often complete

27:05

[__], and nobody even knows

27:07

who they are. How many do we have now—two,

27:09

I think, governors who are just former

27:12

Putin bodyguards—and they all get 80

27:14

percent. A person shows up,

27:16

runs for governor, and he has never

27:18

lived a single day in that region,

27:20

and gets 85 percent. That's why I say:

27:23

don't pay attention to these

27:26

ratings, to these numbers. They mean

27:28

nothing. They mean only one thing: that lies,

27:31

propaganda, and falsification work very

27:34

well. So

27:36

that's exactly how I'll treat them. As for what's coming next—

27:38

there will be new investigations, but

27:40

investigations take time. We

27:41

are working on them; it's a fairly

27:44

complicated process.

27:45

So, I was just talking about

27:48

the party, and there are a lot of questions about what

27:52

will happen to our future structure—this

27:54

structure that we created during

27:57

the election campaign. That is our main

27:59

achievement: we created it, they created...

28:01

created.

28:03

Even though I'm speaking slowly, I'm still

28:04

getting tongue-tied—creating a real...

28:07

a nationwide political network

28:10

an active one that can actually do things

28:12

various things for you, not just some

28:14

names

28:15

a regional branch in Kazan—we know

28:18

that in Kazan there is a functioning

28:20

regional branch that can

28:22

carry out an investigation, can

28:23

organize a rally, can hold

28:25

a party event—that is, it can

28:28

engage in political activity

28:30

We had offices like that all across the country

28:34

—eighty-four of them. Now we

28:36

should show you a little graphic: it was

28:39

and now it is this: 83 offices—well, 83 after all

28:41

including the volunteer-funded ones, we now have

28:46

45 offices left. Why? Because

28:50

we simply cannot maintain 83. It is

28:53

very expensive. During the election period

28:57

for that short stretch of a year and a half, we

28:59

were doing this, we were gathering, raising a lot of

29:01

money. Remember, on every broadcast I

29:04

was raising money, we were sending out mailings

29:05

about money. We will continue to do

29:07

that, but we understand that that much money

29:09

to maintain all of them and manage them

29:12

as an organization—83, 84—several of those

29:16

83 offices, we were funding more than 70 of them, and

29:21

several offices were so-called

29:23

people’s offices, when people finance

29:27

all of it themselves

29:28

But now, having realistically assessed

29:31

our capabilities, we have gone through a very

29:34

painful and, of course, difficult process of

29:37

downsizing

29:38

Everywhere there are wonderful people, everywhere people

29:40

are doing great work. We want to keep everyone

29:42

we want to preserve it all. Besides, in some

29:45

places—but in general, take Kemerovo Region, for example

29:47

(a federal subject of Russia)

29:47

we had two offices, in Kemerovo and in

29:50

Novokuznetsk, because they are two large cities

29:51

one of the regions where there is no clearly defined

29:55

capital—Kemerovo and Novokuznetsk are roughly

29:57

the same size. But within one

29:59

region, we can no longer keep 2

30:00

offices, so we kept the one in Kemerovo and closed

30:02

the one in Novokuznetsk, even though the Novokuznetsk office worked

30:04

wonderfully. And so this is the difficult path

30:07

we are taking. But we will preserve most of the structure—45

30:11

offices. Among these

30:13

offices, several volunteer-funded ones remain—that is, people

30:15

said: don’t cut us. If there is no

30:18

money, we will raise the money ourselves

30:20

we will chip in, but we will keep the office, and

30:22

therefore most of our structure

30:25

will remain, and we will use it

30:27

together with you for political struggle

30:30

for work. This is not my structure, not

30:33

some personal structure, and not a party structure

30:35

—the working title is: it is your structure

30:38

your structure, and we

30:40

we will all coordinate together and

30:42

try

30:44

to learn how to work with it, because until

30:47

now, unfortunately, in Russia there has not been

30:50

a single example of a political

30:54

party or movement being able to create

30:56

and maintain a real regional

30:58

political structure. More often than not, it is

31:00

a regional branch that does nothing

31:01

and merely exists on paper

31:03

That is not interesting to us, and it is not interesting to you

31:05

either. You are not going to give money for that

31:07

We want this structure

31:09

to work effectively

31:12

to report back to you, and for you to continue

31:14

supporting it. This is all something that

31:16

from scratch

31:17

all of us will have to invent, and then

31:20

make happen. And we will figure it out, and then

31:23

we will do it—I have no doubt about that

31:26

Kasper 985: will the trips

31:29

around the country continue? Yes, trips around

31:31

the country will continue, though not as often, of course, as they did

31:34

before. But this is one of the most

31:36

wonderful and amazing things

31:38

I have done, and I will continue. Besides, this is

31:40

part of a politician’s job. If a

31:43

politician claims that he is

31:45

a federal-level politician, if he claims

31:48

that he influences the situation in the country, wants

31:52

to influence the situation in the country, understands what

31:54

is happening in the country, then he must travel—and I

31:55

will, of course, continue doing that. Now, about

31:59

the Magomedov brothers

32:02

a great many questions have come in about why they were

32:05

arrested. People read the press, and the press

32:09

is writing some astonishing nonsense—that this is

32:12

an attack on Dvorkovich, that this is a weakening of

32:15

Medvedev’s group, that this means some

32:18

people have defeated others, and I have received

32:22

quite a lot of questions, because those

32:26

who follow our work closely

32:27

know that we have been paying close attention to the

32:29

Magomedov brothers. We did

32:31

an investigation into Dmitry Peskov, and in

32:34

that investigation the

32:36

Magomedov brothers

32:38

showed up in a big way, so

32:41

we have been watching them closely, and of course I

32:45

have been following very carefully what

32:49

is happening to them now

32:50

They ended up in a SIZO (pre-trial detention center), and there were some interesting

32:55

media reports saying that they

32:57

got there and were surprised—how could it be

33:00

that there is no hot water here? There was this article

33:02

in *Moskovsky Komsomolets* (a Russian newspaper), where

33:04

a correspondent spoke with Magomedov, and

33:07

they said: how can this be, there is no hot water

33:08

and showers only once a week, and there is also no

33:11

gym. Well, I am not saying this

33:13

out of gloating—I am not going

33:18

to gloat over people who

33:20

have ended up in the inhuman conditions of our prisons

33:22

but one simply wants to say this

33:25

to the Magomedov brothers: and when

33:28

other people were being thrown in jail, everyone stayed silent

33:31

that was normal, and in that sense I have

33:33

this universal Ildar

33:35

Dadin formula. When I once wrote a post on

33:38

this topic,

33:38

when Ildar Dadin, arrested for

33:42

holding one-person pickets, was tortured

33:45

in a prison in Karelia, everyone

33:50

kept silent. And so now, to people like the

33:53

Magomedov brothers, who kept silent when

33:56

Dadin was being tortured, we should give exactly

33:58

as much sympathy as they

34:00

once gave him. Well, that’s a kind of

34:02

Old Testament principle of revenge. Several

34:05

smart people wrote to me saying you can’t

34:07

say that, it’s wrong, but nevertheless

34:09

34:10

I still stick to this

34:13

concept. I feel sorry for the Magomedov brothers

34:17

exactly as much as I felt sorry

34:19

for the absolutely innocent Ildar Dadin.

34:21

That is, for example, zero percent. So,

34:24

anyway, you remember we released a series of

34:28

investigations about the remarkable liar

34:32

Dmitry Peskov, and one of those episodes

34:34

was devoted to his wonderful trip

34:36

on the yacht *Maltese Falcon*

34:40

— renting that yacht, the largest

34:42

sailing yacht in the world, cost 26

34:47

million rubles a week at the time when he

34:49

used it.

34:50

And we said then, and continue

34:53

to say now, that it was precisely the

34:54

Magomedov brothers who chartered this yacht for

34:56

Peskov. In this way, they were paying him

34:59

a bribe. When we released the investigation

35:02

about Peskov’s son, a British citizen,

35:05

who had been living in the UK and, after coming

35:07

here, turned into a member of Russia’s

35:09

golden youth, there too

35:11

the same Magomedov brothers appeared in our findings.

35:14

The Magomedovs. Let’s watch 30 — actually,

35:17

37 — seconds from that investigation of ours,

35:18

so you remember what I’m talking

35:20

about. Already on Facebook we can see that Choles

35:23

calls himself the creative director at

35:25

the company Fight Nights. They organize

35:28

fights, various shows, and competitions. This

35:31

doesn’t surprise us at all. He

35:33

really can work there as

35:35

creative director, lord

35:37

of fights, ruler of the ring — whatever he wants.

35:40

After all, this whole spectacle is sponsored by

35:43

Peskov’s friend, businessman Ziyavudin Magomedov,

35:46

the very same Magomedov who, as we

35:49

claimed two years ago, paid for

35:51

Peskov and Navka’s honeymoon on the

35:54

largest and most luxurious sailing yacht in the world,

35:56

*Maltese Falcon*.

35:58

In other words, the crooks, the Magomedov brothers,

36:01

were bribers, paying off everyone in sight —

36:04

Peskov in particular.

36:06

They provided favors, gave bribes, delivered cash,

36:10

and hoped that things would go very

36:12

well for them. So the question is:

36:15

what suddenly happened to them

36:17

that was so important that even these bribes

36:19

to Peskov didn’t work? I can tell you — I

36:23

think I understand what happened to them.

36:25

I can tell you my version, and

36:27

I’m sure it’s quite close to the truth and

36:32

to what really happened. In fact, this

36:34

has nothing to do with Medvedev or

36:35

Dvorkovich.

36:38

The thread is connected to the Novorossiysk

36:40

Commercial Sea Port. If you go now

36:43

to this company’s website, you

36:45

will see a very recently

36:46

published company report.

36:52

There is an interesting line in it:

36:55

on April 5 there was an attempt to hold

36:58

a shareholders’ meeting, and it was disrupted,

37:00

and it was disrupted precisely by

37:02

shareholders connected to Magomedov. Let me

37:04

show you one slide from that report. You

37:08

can see it here —

37:10

there’s a lot of stuff and it’s not clear

37:12

what it all means, but in this

37:14

little rectangle at the top, the shareholder

37:16

structure, it says NMTP — that is

37:21

Novorossiysk Commercial Sea Port.

37:23

And if you look at the little boxes

37:26

on the right, you will see

37:27

a box labeled LLC PTP. And that is

37:32

essentially the whole problem for the

37:34

Magomedov brothers.

37:35

And to explain it, as much as possible,

37:38

without any complicated

37:40

legal explanations, let me explain

37:42

it all with duckies. There are two

37:45

little ducks. Look: what are the

37:49

Magomedov brothers known for, what did they make their money on?

37:52

In the town of Primorsk — God knows where that is,

37:55

it’s nowhere near Novorossiysk, it’s on

37:58

the shore of the Gulf of Finland — they bought

38:01

a useless piece of land that was worth nothing.

38:05

Then they contributed this piece of land

38:09

to the share capital of that very

38:13

— and what was written there as PTP is

38:15

Primorsk Trading

38:17

Port. Let this duck be

38:20

the Primorsk Trading Port. They contributed

38:22

this land, which was worth nothing, and

38:24

received 50 percent. Everything else

38:27

was provided by Transneft, and Transneft

38:29

also gave the Magomedovs the contract for

38:32

the construction of this

38:34

trading port. Even then they stole

38:37

a huge amount of money from the construction and got

38:41

50 percent of a very valuable and impressive

38:44

enterprise for nothing. This was still under the

38:46

previous head of Transneft,

38:48

the one — those of you who have followed

38:51

my work for a long time probably remember him.

38:53

I had that big, loud

38:54

investigation into Transneft called

38:57

“Theft in Transneft” (a play on words in Russian).

38:58

It was devoted precisely to this

39:00

scheme, and this was one of the frauds.

39:04

One major fraudulent scheme was precisely this:

39:06

the theft of a huge amount of money from Transneft, together with

39:09

Magomed, involving the Primorsk commercial port.

39:14

Then Novorossiysk

39:17

Commercial Sea Port appears.

39:19

The main troubled enterprise, at

39:22

some point, came in and bought

39:24

the Primorsk port for 2.5

39:26

billion rubles, which they borrowed from

39:28

Sberbank. The money that the

39:32

shareholders of this scheme received, they then paid back here,

39:35

and it turned out that they essentially got it for nothing,

39:40

because it came to them for free. They

39:43

continue to own it because

39:45

subsidiaries of Novorossiysk

39:47

port received a significant stake in this.

39:50

That.

39:51

But in the Novorossiysk Commercial Sea

39:53

Port, that is, they invested zero, but as a result

39:57

of purely legal manipulations, they ended up owning

40:00

enormous, enormous assets

40:03

worth many billions of rubles.

40:04

If we bring back that slide now and

40:07

look at it again, we can see that

40:10

it even lists the dividends by year

40:13

that were paid out by the enterprise

40:15

Novorossiysk Commercial Sea Port.

40:17

You can see they were paying out billions of rubles

40:19

to shareholders.

40:20

And among those shareholders were

40:21

the Magomedov brothers, who received a lot

40:25

of money from it. In other words, they got

40:29

this enterprise for nothing and were drawing

40:32

large amounts of money from it, and all of this was also

40:34

financed through Sberbank loans.

40:36

And as I understand it, right now

40:40

events developed in such a way that

40:42

they said to Transneft: Transneft, you should

40:44

buy our stake here, in this

40:47

port, and accordingly, at this

40:49

point, for some huge,

40:50

gigantic, colossal amount of money. Transneft

40:53

said, well, we don't want to. Then they

40:56

simply went ahead and disrupted

40:57

the shareholders' meeting of Novorossiysk

40:59

Commercial Sea Port, after which

41:01

Tokarev ran to Putin and said, well,

41:03

those people of yours there,

41:06

your people, because of course all these

41:10

machinations around buying the stake, all of that

41:12

happened under Putin, and it could not have

41:15

happened without Putin's knowledge.

41:17

His FSB (Federal Security Service) people there, all sorts of overseers,

41:21

former colleagues, and everyone else, of course

41:23

knew everything. They were getting some

41:26

share of it. But then Tokarev came and said,

41:29

sure, the Magomedovs are paying your

41:31

press secretary, and paying someone else too,

41:33

but right now they're getting too bold and trying

41:36

to rip something away from us by sheer lawlessness.

41:37

After that, Putin said, all right, I

41:40

authorize you to devour the Magomedov brothers.

41:41

There was a meeting with Tokarev, and

41:45

Tokarev, the head of Transneft,

41:47

met him in the morning or afternoon, and by evening they had already all been

41:50

arrested. So what we are observing

41:52

is simply one group of corrupt officials and crooks

41:55

devouring another group of corrupt officials and crooks.

41:58

This has no

42:00

grand political consequences.

42:02

It just means Peskov will have to find someone else

42:05

next time to pay for

42:08

his Maltese Falcon yacht, or buy something, or

42:11

place his son in some other

42:13

company.

42:14

A certain number of officials have lost

42:18

this cow that was giving them

42:21

wonderful sweet milk, but overall

42:24

this has no grand, highly

42:28

significant political consequences.

42:31

The material base is shrinking, there is less money

42:33

in the country, and so they are

42:35

devouring one another.

42:35

Overall, though, it is still one big

42:38

process of robbing you and me. In the

42:41

end, if Sberbank financed

42:44

all these deals, and Sberbank is a

42:47

state bank, then who ultimately paid

42:49

for all of this? We did. If money was stolen

42:51

from the state and from Transneft for these

42:54

schemes, then who paid for it all? We did.

42:56

You and I, the viewers of this channel, teachers,

43:00

doctors, everyone — we paid for all of it.

43:05

That means we paid for Peskov's

43:07

yacht, we paid the salary of Peskov's

43:09

son through these Magomedovs. As I understand it,

43:12

now they will be forced to hand over this

43:14

Novorossiysk port. They may

43:16

be released, or they may not be released,

43:18

but that is not important. In any case, their

43:21

families, this whole mafia, will still keep

43:23

many, many millions of dollars. Those

43:27

millions of dollars will be

43:28

redistributed a little internally, but you and I

43:30

still won't get anything. We won't see

43:33

the money, we won't see hospitals, we won't see

43:35

roads, we won't see anything good. And this

43:39

is happening in part because the people

43:44

do not participate in governing the state,

43:45

and last week we

43:47

once again saw

43:49

a truly striking example of this,

43:51

because in Yekaterinburg

43:53

one of the country's largest cities,

43:56

despite a very impressive

43:58

demonstration organized by the city's mayor,

44:01

Yevgeny Roizman — good for him

44:03

for doing that — our штаб (campaign headquarters) was involved there too.

44:05

Thousands of people took part, many thousands

44:07

came out to this rally. In this regard,

44:09

I of course saw comments, the usual kind,

44:12

the traditional Kremlin-style ones: oh come on,

44:14

Yekaterinburg has a population of 1.5 million,

44:16

and only a few thousand came out — that's

44:18

nonsense. No, it isn't nonsense, because you have to

44:20

compare it with other rallies, and this one

44:22

was definitely one of the largest in

44:25

recent years, and we know perfectly well

44:30

It’s clear that even according to polls

44:34

by sociological services close to the Kremlin

44:36

or oriented toward the Kremlin

44:39

people—we can see this. This issue, it seems to me,

44:43

is simply, in general—though it isn’t written here

44:44

—65 percent of people

44:47

in a nationwide poll said that

44:51

city mayors should be elected through direct

44:54

elections. We constantly conduct such

44:56

surveys.

44:56

Government sociological services

44:59

conduct such polls, everyone conducts them, and

45:01

they consistently show one thing:

45:04

the country’s residents, the people of the Russian Federation,

45:09

demand direct mayoral elections, and that is not

45:13

happening. In that sense, we see—well,

45:16

yes, communists usually use this kind of

45:18

language, but there’s no other way to put it—the most

45:19

blatantly anti-people policy of Vladimir

45:23

Putin and the United Russia party, because

45:25

they are acting directly against the will of the people. In

45:29

Kazan, this has happened many, many times,

45:32

and that is exactly how it happens.

45:35

What’s interesting is that in today’s, in

45:38

the modern political system, when

45:40

everything is completely squeezed shut and nothing can

45:42

be done,

45:42

the struggle for direct mayoral elections,

45:45

for direct elections of mayors, is turning into

45:47

one of the main political slogans and

45:50

political demands. We saw in

45:52

Yekaterinburg one of the largest

45:53

rallies take place, and despite that

45:57

rally, the very next day

45:59

United Russia voted to abolish

46:00

mayoral elections. Interestingly, for example, in

46:03

Magadan, what is happening there now—

46:06

the movement for elections for the mayor of Magadan—has become

46:10

the opposition’s main issue.

46:12

It’s striking how ferociously,

46:15

how brutally they are trying to crush

46:17

this movement there.

46:20

A completely

46:21

fantastic situation occurred, even by

46:23

Russian standards. If you

46:26

google these reports, you’ll see

46:29

what happened there in more detail.

46:31

It’s written about there. One peculiarity of Magadan is that we

46:35

looked into this a bit because

46:36

we wanted to take part in the elections to the Magadan

46:39

regional legislative assembly; Georgy Alburov even went

46:40

there. The internet there was very slow until

46:43

recently, and it still remains

46:44

an isolated region. There are very

46:46

popular internal chat groups there. There are

46:48

regions like that—for example, Yakutia (Sakha Republic)—where

46:50

people sit in WhatsApp and take any

46:53

information and simply forward it to one

46:54

another from phone to phone. And in Magadan

46:56

it’s exactly the same: large

46:59

group chats are very popular, with hundreds of

47:01

people in them. And in one of these chats, someone

47:02

insulted the mayor of Magadan. Unfortunately, I can’t

47:06

find exactly how

47:08

the insult was worded, because

47:11

I would very gladly repeat it to that

47:13

person before a much

47:15

larger audience, that insult, because

47:18

47:19

do you know what they did over it?

47:22

Over that insult, they opened a criminal case.

47:24

So, someone in a chat wrote that the mayor

47:26

of Magadan was an idiot—used a different word, but

47:29

they have that right. If you’re a politician, then please,

47:32

go look at my comments—they call me

47:34

all sorts of names. If you’re a politician, then you

47:37

automatically give people the right to write

47:40

various things about you—that you’re an idiot,

47:44

a fool, whatever. If someone spreads some

47:46

actual slander about you, that’s a different matter, but

47:48

just insulting you? That’s normal. People

47:51

insult politicians; that’s part of the rules of the game.

47:53

But the mayor of Magadan apparently can’t just let it go,

47:55

so they opened a case.

47:57

And they started confiscating phones from people

48:01

who were in that chat—actual,

48:04

real searches began to be carried out at

48:07

people’s homes. They came and said: we’ve opened

48:08

a criminal case; the mayor of Magadan was called

48:10

an idiot, so we’re conducting a search of your home

48:13

and taking your phone. Naturally, people

48:15

were in shock. This is an unprecedented situation.

48:17

And in fact, that’s exactly what happened, and the coordinator

48:21

of our штаб (campaign office/headquarters) in Magadan, Yablokova Arina,

48:24

said that over several days, from several people

48:25

they took phones. This really is some kind of

48:28

horrific investigation, a sensational

48:30

investigation of the century—and this is in Magadan, with

48:32

all its problems, with its level of

48:35

crime. And they are seriously

48:36

investigating who exactly insulted the mayor there

48:39

in that chat, and who exactly there is demanding

48:41

the return of direct mayoral elections. This is a

48:45

sign of the times: even when people

48:48

are demanding something absolutely basic, something

48:51

that the overwhelming majority of people clearly support,

48:54

these bastards

48:56

run after them, trying to take away

48:57

their phones, trying to suppress them, trying

48:59

to crush them, trying to eliminate even

49:02

these poor little chats where someone

49:03

is simply discussing how it would be good, in general,

49:06

to hold a rally for the return of direct

49:10

elections for the mayor of Magadan. So, my friends,

49:13

across our entire huge

49:16

beautiful Russia—not the Russia of the future,

49:18

but the Russia of today—

49:19

direct mayoral elections are still in place, actually,

49:22

how many regional capitals do you think still have them?

49:24

In 7.

49:26

Though we also added Moscow and

49:27

St. Petersburg—but Moscow and

49:29

St. Petersburg are separate; they are

49:30

separate federal subjects, but in essence

49:32

that leaves only Abakan, Anadyr,

49:34

Kemerovo, Novosibirsk, Tomsk, and Khabarovsk,

49:37

and Yakutsk.

49:37

These are the cities where direct elections still exist.

49:41

the mayor—that is, it's impossible, we don't elect anyone.

49:44

In our country, gubernatorial

49:47

elections can't really be called elections. There is

49:49

a municipal filter, and that way

49:51

it is simply controlled one hundred percent who

49:53

will be allowed to participate.

49:54

At least mayoral elections offered some

49:58

opportunity to engage in politics there.

50:00

United Russia is getting rid of that. Why? Because

50:03

they lost mayoral elections one after another.

50:06

In Yekaterinburg, where they elected

50:08

Roizman; in the Novosibirsk mayoral election, where

50:11

the Communist Lokot was elected; in the mayoral election

50:14

of Petrozavodsk—they would have

50:15

lost the Moscow mayoral election

50:17

if it had not been rigged. They

50:20

manufactured a first-round victory for Sobyanin

50:22

and, seeing that, they got scared and

50:25

decided simply to deprive all of us of elections.

50:28

This is critically important, because without

50:30

municipal self-government, without this

50:34

main level of government, where people actually live,

50:37

where most problems are discussed and resolved,

50:39

of course nothing good can happen in the country.

50:41

The system is fundamentally

50:43

broken. If you don't have normal city mayors,

50:45

then Moscow runs everything.

50:48

And everything is run by one specific person—Putin.

50:51

Even snow removal on the streets of your city

50:55

is controlled by Putin, because he

50:58

also appoints the mayor through his United

51:00

Russia party, and as you can easily see,

51:03

he does it very, very badly. And this

51:09

topic, I can see, is quite relevant right now.

51:11

I just saw a tweet about the mayoral

51:14

election in Moscow. This whole, whole

51:17

system

51:18

of squeezing out mayoral elections across the country

51:21

naturally brings us to the most important topic,

51:23

the most important discussion taking place right now.

51:24

It is a discussion about what exactly

51:26

will happen with the Moscow mayoral election.

51:28

It is supposed to take place in September of this

51:32

year, so that's already quite soon. We

51:33

won't even have time to look around before it is

51:35

announced, something happens, someone

51:39

gets elected. Naturally, Sobyanin will

51:41

try to be re-elected. Moscow is a big,

51:45

huge city—the largest in Europe—with

51:47

an enormous population that

51:49

they still haven't managed to brainwash. People

51:51

use the internet, they get

51:52

news from independent sources, and for us—

51:55

for all of us, no matter where you live—

51:58

it is very important that in Moscow

52:00

this system gets a real, strong fight.

52:03

Right now I see a lot of

52:05

stupid messages in Telegram

52:08

channels about how, supposedly, there is some kind of

52:09

Navalny position: Navalny wants this,

52:12

Navalny wants that. My favorite, Alexei

52:16

Venediktov, the king of intrigue,

52:19

especially the king of Moscow intrigue,

52:21

wrote something and amused me with his

52:24

message. Many journalists

52:26

quoted it, saying the scheme would be

52:28

as follows: United Russia nominates Benin,

52:31

Yabloko nominates Mitrokhin, Sobchak

52:33

nominates Gudkov,

52:34

and Navalny nominates Yashin—and that is where

52:37

the intrigue lies, and we will watch how this

52:39

intrigue develops. Now I want to tell you all

52:43

very clearly:

52:44

I have two interests in the Moscow mayoral election.

52:49

Interest number one: that the candidate

52:52

who runs gives Sobyanin a real fight and says

52:56

plainly everything he thinks about

52:58

Sobyanin, everything he thinks about Putin,

53:01

everything he thinks about this failed

53:02

system of governance, everything he thinks about

53:04

corruption in Moscow; that he calls things

53:07

by their real names and gives the real numbers,

53:10

and turns this election into a war

53:12

of decent people against crooks and thieves.

53:15

And second, my interest is that we

53:19

choose a candidate together,

53:22

someone who will wage that fight—that we choose

53:25

together the person who

53:29

will run and represent our interests.

53:31

I cannot run. I would not be able

53:34

to run now for the post of Moscow mayor,

53:36

but I also simply can't, because, well, you all

53:38

understand perfectly well that they will once again not

53:40

allow me onto the ballot. But I need

53:41

a candidate who represents me. I

53:46

see only one way to choose the best

53:50

candidate: to hold primaries for such a

53:52

candidate. And

53:54

this is a very interesting discussion that

53:56

is now taking place around the primaries. Some

53:59

people are judging it incorrectly, as if

54:01

the opposition is quarreling among itself or

54:03

there is some kind of intrigue. No, no, in fact

54:05

it is not like that at all. It is much bigger.

54:07

It is a discussion about how to choose a candidate for the

54:10

post of Moscow mayor; it is a discussion about what

54:13

the opposition should look like and on what

54:15

principles it should be built. Therefore I urge everyone

54:17

to follow it very carefully,

54:18

to speak out on the matter,

54:21

and to take part in this discussion, because

54:23

in reality it is not about the candidates. It is

54:26

a discussion about us—about how much we will be able to

54:29

influence the situation. Well, say I am simply

54:32

a resident of Moscow, Alexei Navalny,

54:34

and I want somehow, somewhere,

54:37

to speak out, do something, put

54:39

some kind of check mark, and influence whether

54:41

it will be Ivanov or Petrov.

54:44

So let's take a look at who has already

54:46

announced that they

54:49

are running for the post of Moscow mayor, which candidates.

54:53

We should have a slide about that.

54:56

Look, Sergei Mitrokhin has stated

54:59

and has already spoken at length about the fact that he is running for

55:01

mayor, that he will run for Moscow mayor.

55:04

My opponent last time was Dmitry

55:06

Gudkov.

55:07

about a year ago, he said that he

55:09

would run for mayor of Moscow.

55:10

Yelena Rusakova wants to as well; she heads

55:15

the municipal council of the Gagarinsky District.

55:17

By the way, she’s an excellent deputy. I’ve

55:19

known her for a long time — one of those deputies who

55:21

actually said that when I

55:23

was collecting these signatures from municipal

55:25

deputies, it was no problem at all — we could organize that right away.

55:27

Ilya Yashin is on

55:30

this slide, but so far he still hasn’t said

55:34

that he will take part in the mayoral

55:35

election. I think that, in this

55:39

list, these are my personal preferences — they’re

55:42

probably obvious from the standpoint of my

55:44

number one priority, from the standpoint of

55:47

organizing a fight against Sobyanin.

55:50

Well, of course, out of all of them I would prefer

55:52

Yashin, because right now I myself

55:53

am engaged in this fight with Sobyanin, and with all

55:56

my respect for the other candidates, I don’t

55:58

see them actively, proactively, with real

56:02

energy, organizing people and

56:04

taking on this mayor’s office, doing things that actually

56:07

make it uncomfortable. Yashin, for example,

56:09

did an interesting little thing — some kind of

56:12

“municipal inspector.” Let me

56:14

show you 51 seconds

56:15

of what he does. At the very least,

56:18

it’s interesting. Let’s take a look here for

56:19

a second. You know, municipal

56:21

deputies don’t actually have very many powers,

56:23

but there is one important area

56:24

of responsibility: we oversee

56:26

repair work that takes place in residential

56:28

buildings — major renovations, facade repairs,

56:31

entrance hall repairs, and so on. So

56:34

today I want to show you how we

56:36

actually do this work, to show

56:38

this area of our activity.

56:40

[inaudible]

56:43

[inaudible]

56:53

[inaudible]

56:56

[inaudible]

56:58

[music]

57:00

[inaudible]

57:05

[inaudible]

57:07

Thank you, bye.

57:11

I want all candidates to be doing this kind of thing.

57:14

As a voter, as a Muscovite (resident of Moscow), I want

57:16

and demand that all candidates be engaged in

57:19

something similar. They don’t necessarily have to run around

57:21

apartment entrances — conduct investigations,

57:23

do something. Conduct investigations into

57:26

snow removal, conduct investigations into housing and utilities services,

57:28

conduct investigations into construction,

57:30

speak out, expose and tear into

57:32

this disgusting, thieving Moscow

57:35

government on any issue. Fight them, and

57:39

I, as a voter and as a politician,

57:42

can say once again, very clearly, on air,

57:45

that yes, this is my demand

57:46

of the candidates. But I will support whoever

57:51

wins the primary, whoever wins

57:53

the primary.

57:54

It doesn’t matter whether it’s Yashin, Rusakova, Gudkov,

57:58

Mitrokhin, Semyon Semyonovich Gorbunkov (a comic fictional character from the Soviet film *The Diamond Arm*), maybe

58:01

even some politician there whom I

58:03

don’t like at all because of what he does —

58:06

I commit myself absolutely to supporting

58:09

whoever wins these primaries,

58:12

provided that a lot of people come out and

58:15

vote in them. Why do I consider this

58:18

so important? Because you cannot

58:20

run for the post of mayor of Moscow if you’re

58:22

afraid of a primary.

58:23

If you want to become mayor of the largest

58:26

city in Europe,

58:27

then, excuse me, you should at any

58:29

moment be confident that you’ll show up and

58:31

win that primary. I ran

58:32

for president, and well,

58:36

there simply were no primaries, but I have no

58:37

doubt that I would have won them.

58:39

Maybe easily, maybe not

58:41

so easily — I would have relied on you, I would have persuaded

58:44

you, and I would have won those primaries.

58:46

That’s why I’m always happy to support

58:49

such procedures. I organized elections to the

58:51

Opposition Coordination Council (a Russian opposition body),

58:53

because for me this is a clear way for

58:55

a politician to address you, convince you,

58:58

gain your support, and win or

59:00

lose. If I lose, I try again

59:03

to win. It’s clear how

59:04

it works, and it seems to me that for you and me this is

59:08

also

59:09

also beneficial, because then the candidates

59:11

— and now I’m speaking not only of myself

59:14

as a politician, but as a Muscovite —

59:16

then the candidates are accountable to us. They

59:18

then, I don’t know, record video addresses,

59:21

say, “Guys, vote for us,” and

59:24

I feel that no one is saying, “Alexei,

59:26

will you vote for me because I’m

59:28

such a great guy?” I want that. I

59:31

want the opposition to answer to me, and

59:33

right now a very interesting discussion is underway

59:37

about what exactly these primaries should look like. And

59:39

two points of view have clashed, each of which

59:43

generally has some, well, some

59:47

grounds and some support. This discussion

59:51

was started by Dmitry Gudkov,

59:52

who published a fairly long

59:54

post on Facebook — you can see it now — and

59:56

he criticizes the system of these broad, general

1:00:00

primaries, especially online ones, and says that

1:00:02

there should be primaries

1:00:04

among municipal deputies — that is,

1:00:06

municipal deputies should

1:00:08

vote, because behind every

1:00:10

municipal deputy there are people as well.

1:00:12

That would be a more proper approach. Dmitry

1:00:16

Gudkov is opposed by Ilya Yashin, who still

1:00:20

isn’t officially running for anything, apparently,

1:00:22

hasn’t announced anything, and it’s actually unclear

1:00:25

whether he will or not. But he says that

1:00:28

this is not the right system, because we

1:00:30

We should give every Muscovite (Moscow resident) the opportunity

1:00:32

to take part in such a selection process, but I

1:00:34

certainly

1:00:36

hold the second point of view, because

1:00:39

well, excuse me, when primaries

1:00:43

are organized among municipal

1:00:45

deputies

1:00:46

what is that called? It is called

1:00:49

the municipal filter. That is what Putin

1:00:52

and United Russia came up with. They said:

1:00:54

no, you should not choose the governor by direct

1:00:56

vote; we will choose the candidates for you

1:00:59

and let them pass through the municipal filter. So

1:01:02

and here we are being offered the same thing: let us

1:01:03

put the opposition primaries through

1:01:05

a municipal filter. I do not really

1:01:07

like that, and it seems to me—in fact, I am convinced

1:01:11

that most people do not like it either. At

1:01:12

least, most of the questions

1:01:13

I have seen—there was just a poll

1:01:17

[music]

1:01:18

by Alexander Plushev, a correspondent for Echo

1:01:20

of Moscow (the Russian radio station Echo of Moscow), on his Telegram. If we look

1:01:22

at the voting results, 93 percent are in favor of

1:01:25

direct primaries and against the municipal

1:01:27

filter. I also ran a poll on my Telegram

1:01:30

and there too

1:01:31

more than 90 percent—92 percent of my

1:01:34

Telegram channel audience—

1:01:37

people support having direct

1:01:41

elections. Interestingly, municipal

1:01:43

deputies themselves—many of them, at

1:01:45

least—have also written rather

1:01:47

quite

1:01:48

passionate posts saying that direct

1:01:51

primaries are needed. I noticed that the head

1:01:53

of the Yakimanka municipal district

1:01:55

Andrei Morev also wrote a post—you can

1:01:58

go and read it. He proposes a kind of

1:02:00

mediation between Gudkov and Yashin, but

1:02:02

he states directly that there should

1:02:04

be

1:02:05

there should be direct primaries, not

1:02:08

a municipal filter, because when

1:02:10

tens of thousands of people—or at least a thousand

1:02:13

people—come and vote, then those

1:02:15

people will later be interested in

1:02:16

working as volunteers and donating money

1:02:19

to the candidate. That strengthens

1:02:21

the candidate. I repeat: what we all need is

1:02:23

a candidate who is not afraid to come forward and

1:02:26

win in these primaries. Only

1:02:28

such a person will be able to give Sobyanin a real fight

1:02:32

I will repeat once again, because there is a lot of

1:02:34

misinterpretation: I am saying, I am making

1:02:38

a public promise that I will support any

1:02:40

politician, whether I like them or not,

1:02:44

whoever wins the primaries

1:02:48

Volokolamsk—let me say a few words. Goodness, I

1:02:51

am running over time again, I apologize

1:02:52

but I cannot help saying a couple of words about Volokolamsk

1:02:54

because arrests have taken place there

1:02:56

but entirely the wrong people were arrested

1:02:58

were arrested. We more or less know the whole

1:03:00

mafia that created the problem in

1:03:02

Volokolamsk

1:03:03

That is, essentially, Governor

1:03:05

Vorobyov, Mayor Sobyanin, Chaika’s children (the family of former Prosecutor General Yury Chaika),

1:03:09

and various other officials who

1:03:11

are part of this vile mafia. You

1:03:14

can see this chart from the investigations

1:03:16

that we carried out several

1:03:18

years ago. They organized this

1:03:20

filthy mafia network that

1:03:22

makes money simply by taking garbage

1:03:24

away and dumping it somewhere in the Moscow

1:03:27

region

1:03:27

They make money from it, while people

1:03:29

are suffocating. And how do the Moscow authorities respond?

1:03:31

They arrest—

1:03:33

they arrest whom? The organizers of the rallies

1:03:35

and in Volokolamsk right now under

1:03:37

administrative arrest are Artyom

1:03:38

Lyubimov and

1:03:40

Andrei Zhdanov

1:03:42

They are fairly active members of the initiative

1:03:44

group. One was given 15 days

1:03:46

of arrest, the other 14. Lyubimov has announced

1:03:50

a hunger strike, so I simply wanted

1:03:52

to call on all of you to support these

1:03:54

people, to support the movement in

1:03:56

Volokolamsk, and in Kolomna, and in Klin, because

1:03:58

this is a movement of ordinary people

1:04:01

against the mafia. The fact that they are now

1:04:04

putting such pressure on members of these initiative

1:04:06

groups—besides the fact that they have

1:04:07

arrested them, they have started checking someone's

1:04:08

business, going after clients—well,

1:04:11

that is, they are taking revenge for these rallies—not on

1:04:16

the mafiosi, but on the organizers

1:04:18

of the rallies, and that is disgusting

1:04:21

We all must, of course, support

1:04:23

such people right now. One last topic

1:04:25

Sorry, I have gone past the time limit again

1:04:28

of our program. Elena Mizulina—the very same one

1:04:30

who called me a so-called

1:04:32

blogger. As it turned out on the previous program,

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I inflicted a cruel insult on her

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and Mizulina appealed to the prosecutor’s office

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because I showed a video clip here and

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supposedly misinterpreted her

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words and created some kind of

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impression for you that she did not mean

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what she said she meant. Well, if the video we showed

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somehow offended Elena Mizulina

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so deeply, then

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it is probably absolutely necessary

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to watch it once again. I would like

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to express words of sympathy and support

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to our leader

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Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. I have never anywhere

1:05:11

publicly declared that I am a member of his

1:05:13

team. I did not shout it in the squares

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but today I want to say it: I am a member

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of his team, the team of the Russian people

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who are with him, because for him

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this video is a stab in the back, and

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it distorted the senator’s opinion specifically on

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the opinion of Elena Mizulina, which

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which, strictly speaking, is exactly this

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senator—that's an important detail, by the way

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I started thinking, because Elena Mizulina

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she's not just some girl, some young woman—she

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was very active; in 2013 there was even

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a criminal case opened against

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people who had somehow, in some way

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insulted her in a similar way and said online

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or on television something against her

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something inappropriate. I started wondering: how can the opinion

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of a senator—what exactly does it consist of? I don't

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I went on YouTube and

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found an old opinion of Senator Mizulina

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that differs from what she

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is saying now. Let's watch these 50

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seconds: "I believe that Yavlinsky

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is, really, Russia's destiny. It's just, well,

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that's how it happened, that's how it turned out, Russia was lucky

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to have such a man as Grigory

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Alexeyevich among the candidates

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that thanks to his participation

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he sets a very high bar of expectations

1:06:31

for a candidate, that he creates the possibility

1:06:34

for comparison. And of course, if the choice fell on

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him—and I would very much like to

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hope for that—then I think Russia

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would leap forward, with the election of just

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one person to the presidency,

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would leap ahead by several

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decades."

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Interesting how that works. So where is that very

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opinion of the senator that, apparently, we all

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don't understand, distort, and are supposed to interpret correctly?

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Right—now she's on Putin's team, and he is

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her national leader, whom she adores, and

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at the same time

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Grigory Yavlinsky is Russia's

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destiny,

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the only person with whom the country

1:07:14

can leap forward, and so on. How does that

1:07:16

fit together in her head?

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And what you get is 50 seconds from which

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it's impossible to understand anything at all. Let's

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listen: "I would like to express words of

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condolence and support to our leader...

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"Yavlinsky is, really, Russia's destiny. I

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have never publicly stated that I am a member of his

1:07:34

team. It's simply

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that that's how it happened, that's how it turned out, Russia was lucky

1:07:40

that what he is doing for Russia today

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is incredible.

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"Defending Russia on the international stage, and at home

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carrying out reforms of incredible force.

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"This man truly is open; he

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throughout all his years in politics

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has proven that everything he proposes, he

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proposes openly. He doesn't just propose things

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in words—he sets them out in the form of

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fairly well-founded, carefully thought-out

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programs, as it should be. I am a member of his

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team—the team of the Russian people

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who are with him."

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If Elena Mizulina is outraged that I am

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distorting her words here, it seems to me

1:08:20

that nothing is more distorted than

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Elena Mizulina's own position. This is

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the height of perversity, the absolute height of perversity.

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Because before 1995, as I saw in her biography, she

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was a member of the CPSU (Communist Party of the Soviet Union).

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Then she was a member of the party

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together with me—I was a member of the party

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Yabloko, and Elena Mizulina was there with me. I

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remember her perfectly well.

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She was a member of the Yabloko party. I

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have talked about all these things before.

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Grigory Alexeyevich

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was the best man in the world. After that, in 2001,

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she left Yabloko and said that

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it was shameful to be in Yabloko—even though just a moment before

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she had been saying that Yavlinsky

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was the only one. Then suddenly she was ashamed of Yabloko.

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From Yabloko she moved to SPS (Union of Right Forces).

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She was in SPS until 2003.

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After some time she left SPS.

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Things started going badly for her there too.

1:09:15

She lost her seat in the State Duma, and immediately

1:09:17

things got bad, so she joined A Just Russia.

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She spent some amount of time in

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A Just Russia, after which she

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left A Just Russia as well, and now

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she has joined Putin's team

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and sings him astonishingly flattering

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praises. Dear Elena Mizulina, your

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political position cannot be

1:09:43

distorted, because your political

1:09:46

position can be described in only

1:09:49

two words:

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political prostitution. You may

1:09:53

be upset, you may complain about me

1:09:56

to the prosecutor's office, but Elena Mizulina is not

1:09:59

a senator, not a servant of the people, but a political

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[__] who is sitting on our necks

1:10:06

taking our money, running from party to

1:10:10

party, praising and fawning over the leader of whatever

1:10:13

party she happens to be in at the moment

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for one reason only: in order to

1:10:18

stay in her chair, in order to

1:10:21

receive—effectively steal—money

1:10:23

from taxpayers, in order to have

1:10:25

her official car, in order to

1:10:28

lecture us on how to live. This is political

1:10:30

prostitution, dear Elena Mizulina.

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File a hundred thousand

1:10:35

million complaints against me—for each one I

1:10:38

will repeat exactly the same thing. Thank you all very much.

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See you next Thursday.

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