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Good evening, everyone. It’s 8:00 p.m. in Moscow, which

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means we’re live with the program

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*Russia of the Future*. Its host is Alexei

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Navalny,

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— or some obscure civic activist with a

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criminal past, as one regional newspaper once called me.

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I don’t remember which region it was from,

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but it was the honest truth.

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An obscure civic activist — true enough — with a

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criminal past. Today we have a different topic.

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The authorities — there it is, right on my cup,

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some kind of hint written on it or something,

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some subtle move, you know. But no — it says it plainly:

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“The Kremlin is run by idiots,” because

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today they didn’t just loudly

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declare it — they showed us that

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they are going to devour the internet, in the literal

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sense of the word, to shut all of us up.

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Because today they passed, in the third

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reading, a law to combat so-called

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fake news, and a law saying that from now on it is

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forbidden to insult the authorities. And this topic

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is central to my program, because here I

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tell truthful news stories that

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they call fake news, and here I

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insult the authorities, because there is, indeed,

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plenty to insult them for. And so that there won’t be

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programs like this, so that you won’t

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say what you want to say, they

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are passing these laws. I want to say right away

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that on March 10 at 2:00 p.m. in Moscow,

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on Academician Sakharov Avenue,

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there will be a large rally against censorship on

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the internet. Please come.

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Be sure to come. It is being organized by

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the Libertarian Party of Russia, but this is

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a common rally for everyone, because they did a great job

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choosing the date and did the right thing.

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A lot of people, in fact,

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still don’t fully understand what this bill threatens

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us with. They say, well,

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there were blocks before, there will be blocks again —

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what’s the difference? But guys, you need to understand very

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clearly that now the procedure

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is completely different. And in that sense, when I

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say they want to devour the internet and

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devour all independent

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digital media outlets,

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online media — that is not an exaggeration

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at all. Because now the procedure

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will not be judicial.

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To block something, there will be no need

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— in my case, for example —

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for anyone to go to court over blocked posts, and for

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a court to decide that this information is

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prohibited, after which Roskomnadzor (Russia’s media and internet regulator)

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sends a notice and then does whatever it does

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to block it.

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Of course, we have had some fast,

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emergency, completely illegal

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blocks before. For example, the first Smart Voting site was blocked,

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but that was still

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a rarity, and it was such an obvious

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act of lawlessness. But now that lawlessness

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will become the absolute norm, because

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the procedure will be as follows:

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some guys are just sitting there in the

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Prosecutor General’s Office, or they get a call from the

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Presidential Administration saying, listen,

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there’s some Petya Ivanov, take a look,

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please — he posted something on his VKontakte page,

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or Mediazona is covering torture

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carried out by FSB officers. We

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got a call from the FSB saying, don’t do that,

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take it down. The Prosecutor General’s Office

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calls Roskomnadzor and says: fake news.

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The FSB doesn’t torture anyone. I mean, come on,

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we all know the FSB doesn’t torture anyone,

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and this Mediazona is writing some kind of

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nonsense. But do they have in hand

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a court ruling recognizing that

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torture took place? No, they don’t. So what does that mean? It means

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it’s fake news — block it. After that,

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Roskomnadzor immediately demands

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that it be removed,

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that the publication be taken down, and blocks it

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immediately. Some vague thing —

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it’s unclear — they just block it, and

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that’s it. After that, you can run around trying to prove your case,

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but it’s already impossible to do anything, because

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the Prosecutor General’s Office decided it was fake

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news, and that’s the end of it. And if you’re not a media outlet

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but specifically Petya Ivanov or Alexei

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Navalny,

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then the procedure becomes even simpler.

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Roskomnadzor just blocks it, that’s all, and

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doesn’t notify anyone or do anything else.

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There isn’t even any kind of

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procedure at all — just blocking

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of any media and

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Well, let’s look at one more concrete

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example. The Prosecutor General’s Office — we

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know what the Prosecutor General’s Office is: it’s

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basically a gang of bandits. We know that

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the Prosecutor General’s family, in particular,

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is involved in criminal business all across

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the country, connected to waste management, to the way they

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illegally obtain state contracts, and so

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on and so forth. We know this, and we can

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look at it. Let’s watch

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a specific 30-second clip from our

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film where we simply show

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a legal document from the registry showing that

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the Prosecutor General’s family — and in fact

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the leadership of the Prosecutor General’s Office — is connected to

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the Tsapok gang, who murdered people. 32

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seconds.

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Olga Lopatina did not disclose in her declaration

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that she was involved in the sugar trade. She

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is a founder of two companies

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specializing in sugar in Moscow and

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Krasnodar Krai. In fact, Olga

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Lopatina, the wife of a deputy prosecutor general,

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has very strong reasons to hide this

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business. And her partners,

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the co-founders of the sugar

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enterprise, are Angela and Mariya Tsapok.

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and Natalia Tsepovyaz

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These are the wives of the leaders of the Kushchyovskaya organized crime group, Sergei

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Tsapok

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and his right-hand man, Vyacheslav Tsepovyaz.

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The head of the Prosecutor General's Office

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his wife sets up companies with murderers and

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deranged psychopaths who

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terrorized people. We published this information.

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So what happened after that?

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Did they throw him in jail? No.

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What they said—what they said back then—was

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literally: well, this is fake news, you know.

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Some people probably—these Tsapoks themselves—

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went ahead and forged documents in the name of the wife

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of the deputy prosecutor general. So from that

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formal point of view,

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what we published was fake news—it never happened.

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There was no such thing, no joint

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business. Block everything, obviously.

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Of course the Prosecutor General's Office will block everything

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connected to the prosecutor general's family,

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because you don't have proof that

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at their home, under the bed,

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there are billions lying around. You can't

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produce a photo of that, so everything is

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fake news.

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Senator Klishas: we show

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photos, look at his watches, and

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compare them with prices in official

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stores.

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But let me put myself in the position

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of Roskomnadzor and say: Navalny, you're showing

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some blurry pictures there,

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comparing one blurry picture with other blurry

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pictures.

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Do you have a receipt from the store?

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The proof is supposed to be a store receipt.

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It should say: Klishas, here

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—or rather, a certificate issued to Navalny,

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to Alexei, stating: I, Senator Klishas, bought myself

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thirty-two watches, and each one

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costs no less than 15 million rubles (about $160,000).

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Do you have such a certificate? If not, then they write on the

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internet: this is fake news. And don't think

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I'm exaggerating, because I know this

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perfectly well—I've been sued over it. Well,

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they used to sue; now there's no need to sue anymore.

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Now you just block it, and that's it. This kind of thing

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happens constantly. And when some

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United Russia member—remember that giant mansion we showed—

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was registered in his mother-in-law's name,

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as you may recall.

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And he comes out and says: well, my mother-in-law

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saved up several hundred million rubles

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My mother-in-law sold a two-room apartment—literally, I'm not

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exaggerating—sold a two-room apartment in

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Novokuznetsk

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and then saved some more and built all

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this splendor. Prove that it isn't so.

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It's all fake news. And that's exactly how it will

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work. And you'll see that right now

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they'll sign it, finalize

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some kind of strategy, and we'll see fines,

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and we'll see some arrests. And how do we

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fight this? By not complying. By not complying.

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By boldly saying that the people sitting in the Kremlin are

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idiots, yes; saying that they are crooks and thieves,

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yes; saying that our prosecutor general and his

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deputy are leaders of an organized

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criminal group that works with

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murderers.

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To speak about it plainly,

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in direct terms—that is, not to obey.

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The only chance that this law

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will stop working is mass

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disobedience, because we know what

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they're going to do. Just watch: in a couple

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of months, some person somewhere in the regions,

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in Oryol,

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will write something, and we'll learn from Mediazona

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that he was fined 15,000 rubles (about $160).

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Someone else cursed out the local mayor,

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and boom—he gets 15 days in jail.

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One, two, three—these won't be mass trials, but

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it will be the kind of thing that

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gets attention. You may not read about it, but I

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will talk about it on the program. It

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will be aimed simply at making us

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afraid. When you want to write someday

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that the mayor of our city is a crook, you'll think:

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damn, of course I want to write it,

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but on the other hand, what if they fine me

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20,000 rubles (about $210), or lock me up for 15 days? Better not.

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At that moment, you should say to yourself

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that no, I will—and I'll even write it on purpose.

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Of course there is a certain risk, a small risk,

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but each of us has to take on

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some share of that risk. I will take

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my share of the risk on myself, and I will

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keep speaking out more than anyone

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else.

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All of you must take on part of this

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risk—do not comply. Zhdanov today, the head of

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the Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK),

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wrote an excellent post from a legal

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point of view, saying that there is no need to

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analyze this at all, no need to pick apart

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this bill and think about how to

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get around it or not get around it. It is totally, completely

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illegal. Therefore, the only thing

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to do is to publicly refuse to comply with it. And,

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by the way, remember what

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they started drafting this law over in the first place?

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It was supposedly to fight this fake news. Soon it will be the anniversary

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of those events—the fire at the Zimnyaya Vishnya shopping mall (in Kemerovo).

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Right after some

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Ukrainian pranksters were engaged in that

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idiocy, making calls somewhere

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and spreading information about some hundreds

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of deaths, the authorities seized on that. They

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stopped even discussing why, there at

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Zimnyaya Vishnya, such a huge number of

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people died, why such a tragedy happened.

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The focus shifted completely then to

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all those Ukrainian pranksters. So

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they said we needed a fake news law, and

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a year later they are passing this law.

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And tell me, please, now a year later, how

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There was an investigation into the Winter Cherry case (the deadly 2018 shopping mall fire in Kemerovo).

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Who’s in jail over it? Just some scapegoats are sitting there.

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Not the EMERCOM people (Russia’s emergency ministry) who were really in charge, not the senior ones.

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The officials who approved everything, all of it,

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those retail outlets that you gave

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permission to operate there, permission to trade,

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to set up businesses in a facility that

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didn’t even have the proper permits—are any of them in jail?

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No. Has the head of EMERCOM been held

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accountable in any way? No.

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He resigned, but

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as far as I know, he works as an adviser to

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the current head of EMERCOM. So in fact

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not even at the mid-level did anyone

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suffer consequences. The people who were making

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money off Winter Cherry, right up until

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the tragedy happened, were doing just

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fine. But if you go out now and

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say:

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“You didn’t properly investigate

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Winter Cherry, and on top of that I hate you,”

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“you’re idiots, crooks, and thieves,”

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that’s fake—no, fake news combined with

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insulting government officials.

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Because they supposedly didn’t investigate something properly—

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look, they even jailed one guy there,

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a man in rubber boots, they locked him up.

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He’s sitting there, this one guy,

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in his sweater, with his EMERCOM patch, and in

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canvas pants—there he is, the main villain.

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He’s in jail, so that means there was an investigation.

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So everything you’re saying is fake news.

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And the fact that you call us

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incompetent, swindlers, and crooks—how

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dare you insult

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the authorities? For that, please go

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serve 10 days. Still, you have to say

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what you believe is right and

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call things by their proper names, even if

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they think and say that it’s some kind of

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insult, because otherwise nothing—well,

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we simply won’t be able to

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talk about anything at all. Look, here’s another

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example. Today there was a really striking news item.

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This thing came out—I’m looking at a news story

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about a law being passed, and the very next

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story is a report about our

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wonderful Roldugin, this

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cellist Roldugin, a friend of Vladimir

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Putin, whom we know is

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Putin’s wallet, and that through his

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offshore companies, as we know from the

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documents of the so-called Panama

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Papers,

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billions of dollars flowed in, including

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from state-owned companies. But Putin

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tells us that all of this is basically fake

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news, folks, because he’s a very

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wonderful man. Let’s take 48 seconds where

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Putin movingly explains that

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this is not my wallet at all, this is

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just a man who really loves violins

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and various instruments. Sergei Pavlovich bought—Roldugin bought—

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I think, two violins and

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cellos.

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These are unique items. The last one he

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acquired—

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well, I’ll say it, because it was already on

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the internet—cost around $12 million.

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Did it never occur to anyone that we have

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people like Sergei Pavlovich, and that he even

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planned to transfer this into the ownership

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of the state? That’s what the paperwork is about.

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But I ask all sorts of crooks and others

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to calm down: Sergei Palych no longer has anything.

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He spent more on acquiring these

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instruments than he actually

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had. He even remained in debt to those

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entities, to the funds through which he

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bought them. In Russia, you can still imagine

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a bribe in the form of borzoi puppies (a reference to a classic Russian expression about extravagant gifts), but

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with violins and

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cellos—I’ve never heard of that.

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Do you see the beauty of it? He literally received

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$5 billion through offshore companies,

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bought two violins, and now the money is gone.

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Can you imagine such a selfless, unmercenary man?

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So this very same Roldugin, this supposedly

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selfless man—his Talent and Success Foundation

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and don’t even think that he’s involved in any

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schemes or shady arrangements—this is a man

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who thinks only about talented children.

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He gets them a violin and

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says, “Here, kids, play the violin.” And then he

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receives a contract as a sole supplier,

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meaning his company was specifically selected

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for it.

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And he gets a contract worth 287 million

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rubles (about $3.1 million) for his Talent and Success Foundation. Guess

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what for? For maintenance and landscaping

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of parks in the area, on the grounds

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of the Olympic Park in Sochi. So the

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Talent and Success Foundation gets almost 300 million

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rubles (about $3.2 million) for park maintenance. But we understand

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what the real news is.

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If you put it in plain, ordinary

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language, the story is that Putin’s

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wallet got a contract that was

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tailored specifically for him so they could

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channel

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300 million rubles (about $3.2 million) to him for some of his foundation’s expenses.

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There was simply no other way

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to funnel this budget money to him

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except under the pretext that he would maintain

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some parks, provide upkeep for

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the territory of the Olympic Park in Sochi.

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Would you agree that this is what the news really sounds like? You can

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phrase it that way. But if you put it exactly

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as I did, in a fairly harsh form, then

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the media will have to say “Putin’s alleged

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friend Roldugin, known for the fact that

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blah blah blah, he owned offshore companies,”

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and “Putin said such-and-such,” but still the

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news is what it is. But under current

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legislation, all of this will be branded

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fake news. What makes you say he’s Putin’s wallet?

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And what makes you say that $5 billion flowed into his offshore

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companies?

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You have no evidence, but there were

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some Panama Papers

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articles, yes, some things are posted online

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bank transfers and documents, but do they

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bear Roldugin's signature and seal? He

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denies it, and Vladimir Putin

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said that all the money bought two

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violins. Can you prove otherwise? No,

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you can't. That's what it's called: fake news. That's

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how it will work. After some

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time—why are they doing this? For a long time now

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many have been asking questions, or writing things like

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well, there they go again, they're only making

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things worse for themselves. They understand that there is no

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other way out. Just look now, go

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to any site, even the most, I don't know,

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pro-Kremlin one—everyone criticizes the authorities for different

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reasons. All those various

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imperialists there, lovers of starting a war with

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Ukraine and conquering the whole world—they

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criticize the authorities from the right; democrats

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criticize the authorities from the left; statists

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do too, even Vladimir Solovyov

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endlessly.

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They criticize this government, finding

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various specific flaws. That is, in

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principle, these days, unless they're being paid,

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no one will say a single good word

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about anything—whether it's the government,

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the security services, the police—really,

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no one, ever.

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All discussion of the authorities is harsh

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criticism. So of course they want to tone

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that down. Of course they want to, well, silence

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certain people, because, well, it's starting to sound

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a bit too harsh. Besides, they

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lie constantly. We'll talk about that

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now, and in order to stop you from

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exposing their lies, they need

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a special law under which your

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analysis of their lies becomes, in their view, fake news.

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All right, let me answer a few questions.

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18,700 people are watching us.

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In the case of an administrative charge for disrespect toward

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the authorities, does the person end up on the list

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of terrorists and extremists? No, you do not

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end up there.

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No list—at least as of

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today, the law does not provide for that.

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So please, criticize them. Yes, it is necessary

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to criticize them, listen.

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You need to ignore this law. You shouldn't even

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be thinking about whether I'll end up on some list

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or not.

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But guys, if we give up, if we deny

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ourselves the right

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simply in our own little blog

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to write everything we think about this

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government, then why call ourselves

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human beings at all? So, Pasha Bulakhov

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asks me how they are going to

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prove that fake news poses

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a threat or danger. They won't. And how do they

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prove anything else, for that matter? How did they

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prove things in all the court cases against me,

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civil or criminal, in the campaign around

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my criminal cases,

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which I later won, of course, in

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the European Court? I was convicted several

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times. Danika,

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this will simply be an order from

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the Prosecutor General's Office, and there will be nothing

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written there except that

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some prosecutor, having reviewed a link

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of such-and-such kind, found it to be information not

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corresponding to reality.

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Then Roskomnadzor's order, and that's it. You won't even

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know anything. You'll probably see later

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that Roskomnadzor, on the basis of

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decision no. such-and-such by the Prosecutor General's Office,

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dated such-and-such,

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declared the news unreliable and

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blocked you. I assume you won't even

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be able to get that piece of paper from

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the Prosecutor General's Office. They won't explain anything

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to you. That's not what this law

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was designed for. It was drafted

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in the harshest possible form

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because we thought they would

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do what they usually do, that is,

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introduce a harsh law, everyone would say, my God,

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what a terrible, terrible law, and then they would

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soften it a little, and everyone would say, well,

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all right, at least our outrage wasn't for nothing. But this

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time it was even different: they introduced a terrible,

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terrible law, everyone was outraged, and they

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replaced it with one even more terrible. Yurets, Yurets

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asks me: what about your investigations now?

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Will it be possible to appeal these

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new measures in courts or in some

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similar venues? Yurets, my friend,

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I don't give a damn about this new law. I understand that

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it is aimed in many ways against me and

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against the Anti-Corruption Foundation,

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so I won't say that this law, as

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many call it, is a personal law

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against Navalny. No, these laws are against you. But

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to a large extent, it is also because of our

21:13

investigations. We don't care about it. We

21:16

do not intend to comply with it, because

21:19

as I already said, we do not wish

21:23

to deny ourselves the right to be human beings and

21:26

to be free citizens of Russia.

21:28

So I don't give a damn about this law.

21:30

I'm not going to spend even a second

21:33

thinking about it, and I'm not going to change

21:36

my wording for even a second. So, let me remind you that on March 10

21:40

at 2:00 p.m. in Moscow, at Sakharov Square,

21:43

there will be a rally, as I understand it, and in Khabarovsk

21:45

it has also been officially approved.

21:46

A rather exotic choice,

21:48

Moscow and Khabarovsk; in all other

21:50

places, permission was denied.

21:51

They refused. Be sure to come. People ask me

21:54

whether I will speak. I myself

21:55

will not be speaking, unfortunately. I have

21:57

long-standing family plans for

21:59

that day, so I will not be coming to the rally.

22:01

But come, so to speak, on behalf of yourself and your

22:04

boyfriend—there will be a ton of people there on VK (VKontakte).

22:06

People from our штаб (campaign office) will be speaking there, and I

22:09

am sure there will be a huge number of

22:10

speakers. Of course, I will support it

22:11

remotely, and we are promoting

22:14

this rally in every possible way. Frankly, my

22:16

physical presence there is not that important

22:18

because mentally I will be with you. I

22:20

hope everyone goes there. Oh, and yes—don't look for it,

22:22

they're writing it in large letters: in Voronezh, on March 10

22:24

at 2:00 p.m., at Nikitinskaya Square.

22:27

So: Moscow, Khabarovsk, Voronezh—

22:29

approved. What else can we do

22:31

against this crap?

22:33

Smart Voting. Look, after all, in the

22:35

State Duma this passed; the Communists

22:38

grumbled a little, but overall

22:41

there was no

22:45

organized resistance in the Duma

22:47

at all. We need United

22:50

Russia to have fewer seats, and for that we need to

22:52

take part in Smart Voting, and

22:54

register right now. In September

22:57

there will be a ton of regional elections. Let's

22:59

try in September to at least slightly

23:02

reduce the number of United Russia representatives.

23:04

So register using this link,

23:06

which Roskomnadzor (Russia’s media and internet regulator) cannot currently

23:09

block. So, I said that

23:12

these laws are needed because they

23:14

themselves spread fake news.

23:16

And there is an absolutely astonishing, astonishing

23:19

example—just top-tier fake news—when

23:22

Putin himself, at an FSB board meeting,

23:25

Let's listen to 31 seconds of it.

23:27

There, the guy is just lying, talking about

23:30

made-up numbers: "I note that the number of

23:32

terrorism-related crimes

23:34

in recent years

23:35

has been declining. The director will speak about this

23:38

in his address. Overall, over 10 years

23:40

this figure has decreased many times over,

23:43

from 997 to 9 last year. At the same time,

23:48

I would note that the number of

23:51

prevented terrorist attacks remains high—around 20

23:53

per year. This level has been maintained for the last

23:56

three years."

23:57

You and I know how

23:58

sensitive this is, how important every missed

24:01

blow is.

24:01

It matters enormously. Meduza did an excellent

24:06

fact-check of these statements: they are simply

24:07

numbers pulled out of thin air. There were supposedly 997 terrorist attacks,

24:12

and then the number supposedly fell—it's all made up, and

24:15

this is once again a perfect answer to the question—we

24:18

have discussed it here many times—

24:20

Magnitogorsk, where it is obvious, and by now no one

24:23

doubts it, that a terrorist attack took place, while the authorities still

24:26

say it was a gas explosion, and that's that.

24:28

People were writing to me here on this screen, where

24:30

questions come in:

24:31

why? what for? what kind of stupidity is this? why

24:34

do they deny it? Guys, that's exactly why they deny it:

24:36

because then, at the board meeting of the

24:38

FSB, he wouldn't be able to puff himself up; he would have had to

24:41

come in, look around the hall, and say:

24:43

well, here we have lieutenant generals,

24:47

army generals, and some others, I don't know,

24:49

a whole bunch of them, all sitting there in their striped-trouser uniforms, and tens of billions of rubles are spent on you,

24:52

tens of billions of rubles, but the number

24:56

of people killed in terrorist attacks this year

24:59

has jumped up—and there were explosions

25:01

in Magnitogorsk.

25:02

That means the money was spent for nothing, which means you are

25:05

just a gathering of freeloaders. But he can't say that,

25:07

so instead he simply uses

25:09

some made-up figures. It was said, exposed,

25:11

that last year there were also thousands of

25:14

foreign agents.

25:15

So where are the court cases then? Any

25:19

trials involving foreign agents, any proceedings?

25:21

Or did they just quietly expel diplomats? Nothing

25:23

like that is visible. Fine, let's

25:25

assume that part of it is secret

25:29

work that cannot be disclosed, classified

25:32

exchanges,

25:33

or they were convicted in some closed trials,

25:36

or killed somewhere, like in a spy

25:38

thriller. But still, there should be court

25:42

cases, or dozens of cases, or

25:45

some significant number of them. But there is

25:48

nothing of the sort, and it is impossible to verify.

25:50

People carry some kind of nonsense to each other in folders marked "secret,"

25:54

some kind of lie. Everyone understands that it is

25:57

a lie. I know that right now some

26:00

number of FSB employees are watching this

26:02

program. Come on, guys, you understand perfectly well

26:04

that all of this is lies.

26:06

And as for these supposedly brilliant terrorist-attack busts, you

26:09

know perfectly well that the Federal Security

26:11

Service is now occupied with one thing only:

26:15

preserving Putin's personal power and

26:18

protecting all the thieves gathered around

26:21

him, and

26:23

their main activity—what the

26:27

mid-level and senior ranks there mostly do—is simply

26:30

drink on the job. I'm sure

26:34

that right now some FSB guys who, I don't know, like

26:37

anime or listen to this are saying,

26:39

well, damn, you can't really argue with that,

26:40

because really, nobody does a damn thing

26:43

—everyone just drinks from morning till night. That's what

26:47

the Federal Security Service is. And

26:49

so that you cannot do this kind of

26:52

fact-checking,

26:54

they invented the fake-news law, because if you start

26:57

exposing Putin's lies, they will come to the

26:59

Prosecutor General's Office and say: well, Putin

27:03

knows better, after all—he has

27:05

a secret report, and in that secret

27:08

report the real truth is written down, whereas you

27:12

are writing there about Magnitogorsk,

27:14

claiming there was some kind of terrorist attack—it was a gas

27:16

explosion. In fact, there was just a question here:

27:19

how do they declare this information dangerous?

27:21

Well, that's exactly how they do it. They say: this

27:25

Navalny on his YouTube channel is saying something different.

27:27

Journalists—I found this information about

27:30

the fact that in that very GAZelle van

27:33

those migrants from Central Asia

27:35

had been shot—they didn’t just burn to death from

27:37

the fire, and so on. So, a huge

27:40

number of other circumstantial

27:41

pieces of evidence were found by journalists, but they’re told:

27:44

they’re spreading rumors, they’re fueling

27:47

panic, this information is dangerous,

27:49

therefore it must be removed

27:51

immediately, and everything will be

27:53

blocked to hell.

27:56

Because the FSB (Russia’s security service) doesn’t like it, or

27:59

their investigation doesn’t like it. That’s exactly why they came up with

28:01

this disgusting, vile

28:04

law. By the way, right here in front of me lies

28:06

a book.

28:07

I’ve been meaning to recommend it to you for a long time, and now

28:10

I finally will. It’s by Sergei Aleksashenko

28:11

—the book *Counterrevolution*. Everyone who

28:15

is interested in the evolution

28:19

of the counterrevolution that took place in Russia

28:21

under Putin—I highly recommend reading it. I

28:24

give this book out to everyone at the Anti-Corruption Foundation

28:26

because

28:28

I often have to argue with people, and

28:30

I understand that, whether because of their age or

28:33

because

28:35

5–10 years ago, or 15 years ago, they weren’t

28:37

interested in the news, and they ask

28:40

some strange questions about Putin.

28:42

Because everything he does has

28:45

a very clear logical explanation in

28:47

Sergei Aleksashenko’s book *Counterrevolution*.

28:49

Many thanks to him. By the way,

28:51

on the last 200 copies there’s my signature, and in the

28:55

special detention center he also passed me the manuscript.

28:57

I read it—it’s a great book, I recommend it to everyone

28:59

to read.

29:02

in order to understand how the

29:04

regime works. Let me take a couple of questions.

29:07

Akella asks me: “Alexei, what

29:09

do you think about the situation with Oreshkin in the State Duma?”

29:11

“What’s your attitude toward him? Is he a corrupt official too?”

29:14

The best thing written about the Oreshkin situation was by

29:17

Vladimir Milov. And for those who don’t know, the situation with Oreshkin

29:20

is that Oreshkin,

29:22

the minister of economic development,

29:24

came to the State Duma with some kind of

29:26

report, and the speaker of the State Duma, Volodin,

29:29

basically told him, “You’re not prepared,” and sort of

29:32

chased him out. And now everyone is saying,

29:35

“Look, the role of the State Duma

29:36

is growing—they threw out a minister.”

29:38

Milov wrote correctly: it’s like in the old

29:40

joke about Lieutenant Rzhevsky (a stock character in Russian jokes),

29:45

I hope I retell this

29:46

joke correctly, who said, “Let’s bathe the horse in

29:49

champagne.” They told him, “We don’t have any champagne.”

29:51

“All right, and we don’t have any money either.”

29:53

“Then let’s at least pour beer on the cat.” That’s exactly

29:56

the same thing here: the expulsion of Oreshkin, who

30:00

is a nobody, a man with no real standing,

30:02

a quiet chubby guy who came there with

30:05

his figures. Sure, he’s some kind of minister close

30:08

to Putin, but he doesn’t play any

30:11

significant role, no

30:13

political role at all. So the fact that this

30:15

quiet chubby guy was kicked out of the Duma is just

30:18

like pouring beer on the cat, nothing more.

30:23

It means nothing except that

30:25

Volodin decided, in some way,

30:28

to show off.

30:31

Zlyuk asks—I don’t know, excellent question:

30:33

“Will it be possible to use the laws on

30:35

fake news against the liars in power themselves?”

30:37

Dear Zlyuk, it won’t, because

30:39

naturally—well, the only thing is,

30:42

you’re a clever guy, and I thought the same thing right away

30:44

when they introduced this law. I thought:

30:47

we’ll take Kiselyov’s broadcasts

30:49

—after all, there’s poison in every word—and on

30:52

every single point we’ll go through it, just for the sake of

30:54

trolling, and file

30:56

a complaint over each one of his lies.

30:59

But that won’t work, because they

31:01

exempted

31:03

television, radio, and newspapers from

31:08

the scope of this law. In other words, everything that

31:09

they control—or their oligarchs control—

31:12

is not subject to this law. Why didn’t they say,

31:15

“Well, you know, there’s already oversight there anyway”?

31:18

I mean, Kiselyov’s life is such that he doesn’t lie

31:21

on his program, he doesn’t lie on his program,

31:23

so there’s no need to monitor Kiselyov

31:25

through this law, and everything is

31:28

fine. But the internet—the internet is a different

31:30

matter. There, people lie so much,

31:32

far, far, far more than on

31:35

television. So it won’t be possible

31:37

to use it that way. I’m sure that

31:39

the Prosecutor General’s Office will be quite

31:44

satisfied with how

31:48

news is handled on television.

31:52

Let’s talk about “parasites” (a Soviet-era term for people accused of avoiding work)

31:55

and [__]. Ah, if you thought just now that I was

31:58

once again insulting representatives of the authorities

32:01

by calling them parasites and drunks—no.

32:02

“Parasites” and “drunks” are what, this week, you and I heard in

32:05

this little scandal stirred up by

32:09

a United Russia deputy,

32:11

Gasan Nabiev, because he is exactly

32:14

that kind of United Russia member, and he’s continuing

32:19

a very interesting trend here, where

32:21

United Russia deputies, in response to

32:25

universal criticism and universal dislike of

32:28

this party, don’t sit quietly, but instead

32:31

brazenly lash out and start

32:35

branding everyone as parasites and drunks. United

32:37

Russia, of course, is constantly being confronted right now with

32:39

low pensions and the law

32:42

raising the retirement age, and so

32:44

Nabiev sat there and sat there, and then

32:48

spoke up and said that basically everyone who has

32:49

a small pension is a parasite and a drunk.

32:51

Let’s listen to these 46 seconds.

33:01

When it was time to crack nuts, I was working... characters...

33:07

...rubber at an enterprise, when a couple...

33:12

They used to crack down on them for parasitism (the Soviet-era charge of avoiding socially useful work).

33:16

Go get a job—when it's alcoholism,

33:20

go work, but when normal people

33:22

worked, they were paid a decent wage.

33:27

Or the one about Ford on a poster from years ago.

33:30

to get this reaction: they're drunks, and 8

33:35

rubles, while those who worked, somehow deciding

33:38

that you need to work for 20–25 years, and come on, you

33:45

know what I'm going to do now. The regular

33:47

viewers of our program know perfectly well

33:50

they're already sitting there in anticipation—well, now Navalny

33:52

is going to look at the declaration. Yes, of course, yes.

33:55

Every time I see some brazen, insolent

33:59

United Russia party member, such a boor,

34:02

who looks at everyone and says: 8,000

34:04

you get 8,800? Then you're a parasite, [__]. I

34:08

think: you bastard, because 8,800 is

34:13

a typical pension for any nurse, any

34:19

childcare aide, any kindergarten employee. 8

34:23

800 is the pension, while the one earning millions

34:27

in Volgograd Region, where this very

34:29

deputy is from—the average salary there is 29

34:34

thousand rubles, and so a person

34:37

working for the average wage

34:39

there gets shouted at: go work, get back to the line, there at the

34:42

machine. People are worn out at the machine

34:45

and get 29,000 rubles, and some pension like that

34:47

will be 10 or 12 or

34:51

8,800, but it will never be 25,000.

34:55

To have a pension of 25,000, you need to be

34:57

an official, or, well, you need to be

34:59

an officer, or some kind of

35:01

prosecutor's office employee—that is, a 25,000-ruble pension

35:06

doesn't come from factory work.

35:07

It just doesn't happen. People toil for 40 years and

35:11

end up with pensions of 8,800, and this

35:15

mug just throws it in their faces: you're all

35:17

drunks and parasites. So what do I do?

35:19

Of course, I get it, damn it, I

35:22

mean, this guy looks very glamorous,

35:24

but I think: if this creep is reproaching everyone

35:28

over money, then in his declaration I will

35:32

definitely find a substantial amount.

35:36

This guy definitely makes more per year

35:39

than $100,000 in the impoverished, poverty-stricken

35:43

Volgograd Region, where 400,000

35:46

people live below the poverty line. So we open

35:51

the declaration—what do we see? For 2017: 13

35:55

million rubles. Damn, the guy works at

35:58

Gazprom and gets 13 million. He'll

36:04

be just fine, and his pension

36:07

won't matter to him at all—he doesn't need any pension.

36:11

He feels it, yes—he feels that he is

36:14

part of this gang that has latched onto

36:17

all of us, and in particular onto

36:20

Gazprom—our Gazprom—and pulls

36:24

money out of it, keeps pulling money out of it, and

36:27

instead of—it's like he has this kind of

36:30

compensation mechanism going on in his brain.

36:33

But he doesn't want to hear that we

36:37

here get 8,800, while you, apparently,

36:39

doing who knows what, get 13

36:41

million a year. He sat there and thought,

36:44

sat there and thought: well, I can't

36:46

be the bad guy, right? They're the parasites and drunks.

36:50

And so he says: you're the parasites, the drunks.

36:53

It's simply, well, utterly disgusting—

36:57

vile, agree? And all of them are like that.

36:59

And the United Russia party members who don't

37:02

earn much are no different in this respect.

37:05

Look at everyone who spouts

37:08

this kind of filth, like this Nabiev,

37:11

various Klishases, all of them who push

37:17

these bills, who want to shut us

37:19

up.

37:20

They're ruble millionaires like Nabiev, or

37:24

dollar millionaires like Klishas—that is, these are very

37:27

rich people who, it seems, did not

37:31

earn their millions through especially honest labor.

37:33

their millions.

37:35

The good news is that

37:40

there will be elections in Volgograd Region in September.

37:43

Smart Voting (Navalny's tactical voting strategy), guys—this

37:46

Nabiev is running again.

37:48

So once again, addressing the residents of Volgograd: but

37:51

guys, he insulted you. Your average

37:54

salary is 29,000 rubles, which means all of you

37:56

will have pensions of 10,000, 8,000—but at least

38:01

throw him out of the Duma for insulting

38:04

people. Tell United Russia this means:

38:08

kick him off the party lists, or you

38:11

won't get a single vote. Take part in

38:14

Smart Voting. I understand perfectly well

38:15

that they falsify results there and all the rest,

38:18

but you see, at least let them

38:20

falsify them knowing that people came and

38:24

voted against him because he

38:27

insulted them. That's much better than when

38:29

they don't even need to falsify anything because

38:31

he just gets elected again, just like that.

38:33

They elected this completely

38:37

brazen

38:38

and outright scoundrel who simply

38:40

to people who have worked for decades—what, you

38:43

call them drunks?

38:45

And God knows what else. Right now, 40 percent of our

38:49

economy is in the shadows (informal/undeclared).

38:50

You may be earning a high salary,

38:53

but because of the huge taxes introduced

38:57

by United Russia, your employer cannot

38:59

pay you officially. You've been offered a high

39:01

salary—100,000 rubles—but in order

39:04

to pay you 100,000 rubles officially and on the books,

39:07

the employer has to set aside 143

39:10

thousand rubles. So he tells you:

39:13

buddy, you choose: either I

39:15

cut it accordingly and you

39:18

get 70 or maybe 60, but officially,

39:21

or you get 100, but off the books. And you

39:25

say, well obviously, you need the money.

39:28

You say, all right, to hell with it, you

39:31

take the 100,000, let's say—but what

39:34

pension will you have later? 8,800, because

39:38

you're not paying those taxes—and it's impossible

39:40

to pay them. The whole country works like this, and

39:42

he understands that perfectly well. Nevertheless,

39:45

this brazen man says these disgusting things.

39:47

Smart Voting.

39:49

We need to vote against them. They need to be punished.

39:51

Let's actually punish all of them.

39:54

Let's talk about the good news we supposedly have:

39:57

a base on the Moon. Are you aware of that? There is, in

40:00

fact, a Moon base in Russia, and apparently it has been

40:03

operating for quite a while now, since 2015. And next

40:08

year, we, we will start extracting there

40:11

the rare isotope helium-3.

40:13

If you thought I'd gone a little

40:16

crazy from hating the authorities, no.

40:19

We have this man, Nikolai Sevastyanov,

40:22

who has received

40:25

a high-ranking post. He has just now been

40:26

reappointed to

40:29

RSC Energia (a major Russian spacecraft corporation), and

40:33

you know, I like talking about space, about

40:37

the space industry.

40:38

It really pains me that we are so far behind in

40:42

the space industry. I keep

40:44

saying that our lag is connected,

40:46

naturally, with corruption and with the fact that

40:48

space officials lie constantly,

40:50

taking advantage of the fact that no one can verify what they say.

40:53

Take Rogozin, for example—what can you do? He is constantly

40:55

saying, yes, the Americans will be flying on trampolines,

40:57

while we have begun promising

41:00

development of a new spacecraft,

41:02

with a photon engine. Go verify it—everything is

41:06

secret. Space is secret, the Vostochny Cosmodrome (Russia's spaceport in the Far East) is secret, and

41:10

we'll build it, we'll launch it—go check. If we

41:12

go and fly a drone around the Vostochny Cosmodrome,

41:14

they'll have to catch the person with the drone

41:16

and lock him up, because it's a classified site.

41:19

Blueprints are a state secret. You can't verify

41:21

anything, and so they lie. But you can verify it

41:26

with time. And this very

41:29

Sevastyanov, back in 2005, also while working

41:33

at RSC Energia, also being one of those

41:35

space bureaucrats, lied just as brilliantly,

41:38

and that interview of his from

41:41

2005 has survived, and it's hilarious. Let's

41:46

take a look. I mean, in fact, they

41:50

the guy says in the interview, look:

41:52

"We plan to create a permanent station on the Moon

41:55

by 2015, that is, in four

41:57

years' time, and from 2020 there may begin

42:01

industrial extraction on the satellite

42:03

of helium-3." Sorry for laughing, I just can't

42:06

help it. "And also we will

42:08

put into operation in 2015

42:11

the reusable Clipper spacecraft, with the help of

42:14

which flights to the Moon will be carried out."

42:18

In other words, he's lying through his teeth.

42:21

And everyone understood that it was a lie, but somehow

42:25

what could you say? You say it now,

42:28

to Rogozin when he starts again about his

42:29

Moon base: "Rogozin,

42:31

you're lying, this is fake news," and he'll say you're just

42:35

not informed,

42:36

because the space excavator is already

42:39

ready to mine the rare isotope,

42:42

you just don't know about it. It's all in

42:44

a classified folder.

42:45

But it just so happened that

42:48

Sevastyanov in 2005 thought, what difference

42:51

the hell does it make? I'll feed these fools

42:54

a mountain of lies—who's going to check, who's even going

42:57

to think about it? By 2019 we'll

43:02

all have made a pile of money and will be

43:04

living in Monaco.

43:05

Well, life turned out such that 2019

43:08

did come, he got a high appointment, and

43:11

you want to ask: man, how's our

43:14

Moon base doing, and how can we keep believing you

43:17

and people like you on even a single word?

43:21

On the one hand, we know the statements of

43:24

engineers and ordinary employees that everything

43:26

in the space sector has completely fallen apart.

43:28

We see that the Khrunichev plant (a major Russian aerospace manufacturer)

43:31

is being demolished in order to build office

43:34

centers. We understand that all of this is collapse, and yet

43:37

we are supposed to believe guys like this again,

43:40

who tell us about some kind of

43:42

Moon base. We're supposed to believe this

43:45

Putinist lie about some kind of super-

43:47

rocket, the Poseidon torpedo,

43:50

but everyone understands that none of this exists, and

43:53

people in the defense industry laugh out loud when they hear

43:56

these Putin statements, because

43:58

Vladimir Putin has wrecked the entire defense

44:02

industry and wrecked the entire

44:04

space industry, and engineers

44:08

earning 20,000 rubles a month (about a few hundred U.S. dollars) have scattered. There were

44:11

old-timers there until recently, still from

44:13

the Soviet era, but they were already elderly.

44:16

They retired, or they have already died, and

44:18

young people do not go to work there because

44:21

when all your money goes

44:24

to palaces and to buying violins instead of

44:28

a Moon base, all we are left with is

44:30

stories about how we are going to build a base on

44:33

the Moon. In this sense, the Putin regime is literally

44:36

committing a crime: for 20 years, enormous

44:40

amounts of money have been spent, and we have nothing.

44:42

We have fallen behind even China, and we're supposed to listen to

44:44

talk of some super-ship, Clipper, that

44:47

is supposedly going to fly somewhere.

44:50

Against the backdrop of all this, against the backdrop of a supposedly rich

44:52

Russia,

44:53

we see this—and meanwhile we're talking about a Moon base.

44:55

One of the things that really struck

44:58

me this week was in Yaroslavl Oblast (a region northeast of Moscow).

45:01

There was a big protest there. I

45:03

saw photos from there, from Yaroslavl

45:05

Oblast. It was a protest in Yaroslavl—

45:07

more precisely, in the RezinoTekhnika settlement,

45:11

somewhere within Yaroslavl, but it's a compact

45:13

area, and 40,000 people live there.

45:15

And it was quite a large protest. Why? Because they

45:18

closed the hospital there. This is Yaroslavl, not

45:22

some village. It's a fairly well-off,

45:24

relatively wealthy region, a kind of Gazprom region,

45:26

one of those Gazprom-type places. There is a

45:28

processing plant there—in other words, it's

45:30

considered a rich region—and yet they closed

45:34

the hospital. People simply have nowhere to get treatment. What

45:38

are they supposed to do? They have to take a taxi

45:40

and ride somewhere for an hour and a half, if they can even get a taxi.

45:44

It’s faster by public transport there, with

45:46

two transfers, but you still have to travel for an hour and a half

45:48

just to get to the hospital.

45:51

What is a pensioner supposed to do? Let’s

45:53

take a look at what this rally looked like. 45

45:55

seconds.

46:04

[music]

46:10

Beyond the edge.

46:13

Did you even stop to think with your head—something this

46:16

huge, and now there was a shove there, among

46:19

our settlement, our district—and everything is hell.

46:22

The hospital—if we lose it, it’s unthinkable.

46:27

A cemetery.

46:36

We had good doctors here, and our department head was good.

46:39

They were good. We want our own doctors, our own

46:42

department head. You may say this is just an isolated case,

46:45

some minor incident, but one of the hospitals in a huge

46:48

number is being shut down. But I always

46:50

try in my program to talk about

46:51

these small, specific cases. Well, you

46:53

probably would never have heard about the closure of this

46:55

hospital

46:56

if the program hadn’t drawn attention to it. But this is an important

46:59

thing—it’s about priorities, you see. At the beginning of the

47:01

program I said that 300

47:03

million rubles

47:04

were funneled into “Talent and Success,” while

47:07

Putin’s friend Roldugin got the money, but the hospital

47:10

was closed, and elderly people now have to stand out in the freezing cold

47:14

somewhere and chant,

47:16

“Give us back the hospital! Give back

47:18

the hospital!” They shout it in ragged, untrained voices.

47:20

What else are they supposed to do? Who have they turned out to be

47:25

in this country, and who does this

47:28

country belong to if their hospital is being taken away?

47:31

What was it all for? Why did they pay taxes all their lives

47:33

and continue to pay them

47:37

with every purchase they make? There’s

47:39

excise tax, there’s VAT, their children work

47:43

and pay income tax and everything

47:45

else. The budget is filled by these very

47:49

people, and then they’re told,

47:52

“Well, you know, we’re closing

47:54

the hospital. This is your so-called social

47:58

state with free

48:00

healthcare.” I already know, by the way,

48:02

and I can see people asking me there

48:05

whether the Doctors’ Alliance trade union can help. There

48:08

is already, I think, even a local branch of the Alliance

48:10

of Doctors. Naturally, these doctors are outraged

48:12

that it’s being shut down. The money exists—that is,

48:14

it’s not some impossible sum that

48:18

Russia can’t afford. The Russian Federation

48:21

can maintain these

48:24

hospitals without any problem. It just needs to spend less

48:27

money

48:28

on various useless parasites. Well,

48:33

it’s a question of priorities, you see.

48:37

That Roldugin Putin was talking about—well,

48:40

apparently he just can’t do without another

48:43

300 million rubles being transferred to him

48:46

there for some “green pleasures”

48:48

through “Talent and Success,” while

48:51

people in Yaroslavl—nobody gives a damn about them.

48:52

No one will hear about them. Well, I’ll talk about them here

48:56

on the program, I’ll write about them somewhere on Twitter,

48:57

because otherwise no one will say anything about them.

49:00

They’ll just say there was some kind of rally.

49:03

So, excuse me, getting back to the topic

49:05

of fake news,

49:06

the dangerous “fake news” is supposedly that

49:11

journalists

49:12

or bloggers reported on

49:14

an unauthorized, unsanctioned

49:17

event with the slogan

49:20

“Give back the hospital.” But of course, no one

49:24

closed the hospital—it’s just “healthcare optimization,”

49:28

and all medical care

49:31

—much higher-quality care, no less—will be provided

49:34

there, at Hospital No. Such-and-such, which

49:36

was merged with another one. Nothing was closed there yet,

49:40

there was just a reorganization: two hospitals

49:43

were merged, and everyone was reassigned to this one.

49:45

So this is all just, like,

49:48

they didn’t “close” it, they “liquidated” it—but the hospital

49:50

still exists, so these people who

49:53

are shouting “Give back the hospital,” and you who

49:55

are talking about it—you’re all fake-news peddlers, and

49:58

that’s all. This is healthcare optimization.

50:01

All right, let me take a couple more questions. 27

50:05

thousand 700 are watching us live. Lola

50:07

Love.

50:08

Irina Lavlinsky asks me:

50:09

“Alexei, can the law on

50:12

insulting the authorities be regarded as coercion to

50:13

renounce one’s own opinions, under Article 29, Clause 3

50:16

of the Constitution?

50:17

After all, they’ll demand that posts be deleted, they’ll

50:20

block them and demand their removal.

50:23

Irina,

50:24

well, of course, you are absolutely right. This law is

50:28

super-mega unconstitutional. It violates

50:32

absolutely everything. It’s impossible—not only because

50:36

it doesn’t comply with the Constitution, it also doesn’t

50:38

comply with the media law, it doesn’t

50:40

comply with the Civil Code,

50:41

the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the European

50:44

Convention—there is nothing it complies with. It is

50:46

absolutely unlawful. But they don’t care about that

50:49

either.

50:50

Because Senator Klishas, Irina,

50:52

needs you to stop right now

50:55

talking about his watches, and Vladimir Putin needs you

50:58

right now to stop

51:01

talking about his billions in bribes, or

51:04

about his daughters carrying out some kind of

51:07

strange projects inside Moscow State University, because

51:10

they’ll tell you, Irina: “What daughter? Vladimir

51:12

Putin has never acknowledged that she is his

51:14

daughter. That’s fake news. Show us her passport

51:17

and the marriage certificate,

51:19

then we’ll talk to you.” This is,

51:22

of course, absolutely unlawful.

51:25

This law contradicts the Constitution.

51:27

Konstantin asks: “Alexei, what about

51:29

posts on social media—if I repost

51:33

some article to myself,”

51:34

“say, about Rogozin, will I get fined? But I immediately…”

51:41

I urge you all, Konstantin, to spread this everywhere.

51:43

Write posts about all these idiots, because as I

51:45

already said, mass non-compliance with this

51:48

law—we are millions of people. Of course,

51:52

a few dozen people, a few hundred people

51:56

will be fined, and you may end up

51:59

among them. I will almost certainly be

52:02

among them. A few dozen people will end up

52:04

under arrest.

52:04

You may be among them.

52:06

I will definitely be among them. So what?

52:10

That is the price we must

52:13

pay if we want to remain

52:15

human beings, if we want to feel like

52:17

citizens. So don’t think about that.

52:20

A repost—no, not a repost, don’t repost it.

52:23

Write your own post directly about how they’re all

52:25

idiots.

52:26

If you really consider them

52:28

idiots. Radik asks: tell us about

52:31

Roman Rubanov—how are you defending him from

52:34

the authorities? What exactly are they hounding him over?

52:37

And speaking of hounding people, Rubanov is being hounded

52:39

for exactly this reason. Against the former

52:41

director of the FBK (Anti-Corruption Foundation), Roman Rubanov, a

52:44

criminal case has been opened. Why? Because FBK

52:48

cannot remove the investigation. It’s not

52:51

"He Is Not Dimon to You"—it cannot, in principle,

52:53

remove it, because it’s on my account on

52:55

YouTube. And even if all of the authorities came to me and

52:58

told me to delete it, and for some reason I

53:01

didn’t delete it, no one can force me

53:03

to delete it. It’s my account. But they opened a case

53:06

against Rubanov specifically

53:09

for exactly that. But now everything will become

53:11

easier for them, because blocking measures

53:13

are being simplified. And precisely so that

53:16

there won’t be these long procedures with

53:18

bailiffs and so on, they did a simple

53:21

thing: first block it, and only then let the

53:23

person go and prove that he is not

53:24

a camel (i.e., absurdly forced to prove innocence). We are defending Rubanov

53:27

through our regular legal department, and

53:30

right now summonses are being sent here to

53:32

all FBK employees.

53:33

So this is just part of our routine

53:36

legal work. I mentioned Gazprom in the

53:41

context of Yaroslavl.

53:43

Gazprom pays quite a lot of money

53:46

in Yaroslavl. You know, there

53:49

as we have seen, there still isn’t enough money for the hospital.

53:51

And, of course, an absolutely

53:53

astonishing thing was published the other day—

53:55

or rather, it was published in the newspaper

53:57

Fontanka some time ago, but

54:02

it has now spread widely because

54:05

Gazprom itself confirmed the authenticity of the

54:07

recording.

54:08

Gazprom board member Sergei Prozorov

54:11

came to a meeting in the town of Priozersk

54:14

in Leningrad Region.

54:16

They were building a pipeline there, and everything was stolen.

54:22

They built nothing; all the money was stolen.

54:24

The theft there amounts to

54:25

1.7 billion rubles (about US$18–19 million), that is,

54:28

with 700 million rubles already confirmed as having been siphoned off.

54:30

The contractor received almost

54:33

2 billion rubles (about US$21–22 million) and built almost

54:36

nothing. And then a board member came there.

54:39

Let’s listen—there’s one

54:43

clip, 1 minute 41 seconds long, and it’s quite

54:46

revealing. Just so you understand—this is not

54:48

some playground being built

54:54

in your yard. This is a huge Gazprom

54:57

facility. That means Rostekhnadzor (the federal technical supervision agency) is there,

55:00

attached FSB officers (security service officers) are there,

55:04

who are supposed to monitor safety so that no one

55:06

blows up the gas pipeline.

55:07

There’s also the police, local authorities,

55:10

design organizations, and so on and so

55:13

forth. Thousands of people are supposed to

55:16

control this, and yet what happened was what

55:18

Gazprom itself called a complete disaster. 1

55:21

minute 47 seconds: ‘The disgrace that you

55:26

allowed.’

55:28

‘In the theft of the pipe,’

55:33

‘I cannot understand the actions…’

55:43

[inaudible]

55:46

‘Why the hell are we sitting and waiting?’

55:53

[inaudible]

55:57

‘Priozersk is a complete disaster, this is a total

56:03

mess… everything was built on instructions…’

56:07

‘Don’t you know where the

56:10

control booth is looking?’

56:14

‘Now all of you need to…’

56:23

‘What do you call it, when already…’

56:25

‘He’s talking nonsense…’

56:29

‘Why hasn’t this already woken all of you up? It’s obvious

56:33

this time bomb that has already been handed to you…’

56:35

‘It’s already arrived, so that’s it, across the whole site…’

56:40

‘There is no construction oversight, nobody gives a damn…’

56:47

‘that things are not being maintained for an hour, an hour and a half…’

56:49

[inaudible]

56:52

[inaudible]

56:56

‘You can’t make porridge with you’ (i.e., you can’t get anything done with you). ‘Don’t give him a damn thing…’

56:58

‘No need to know—you can invite those

57:00

deputy department heads there.’

57:04

This is an astonishing thing. Let’s look

57:06

at a photograph of what this

57:08

pipeline is supposed to look like, just so you understand.

57:10

This is the kind of thing that

57:12

is not exactly easy to hide. And here

57:16

is the section where the pipeline is supposed to be,

57:19

because on paper it has already been completed, but there

57:23

is basically nothing there. And notice this:

57:27

this Gazprom official,

57:28

Prozorov, isn’t even tearing his hair out,

57:30

isn’t shouting, ‘My God, we’re all going to

57:32

go to jail, guys!’

57:34

I mean, the pipeline isn’t there—you can’t hide that.

57:37

You stole one and a half billion—well,

57:40

2 billion rubles.

57:41

‘How terrible, they’re already coming for us’? No.

57:45

The conversation there is more like:

57:46

‘So, by personal instruction

57:49

from Miller (Alexei Miller, Gazprom CEO), you didn’t build it. Here is the

57:52

time bomb: you have no construction oversight,’

57:54

and at that moment we understand what kind of…

57:58

There’s total chaos going on there, but listen—no.

58:02

I mean, this is the Leningrad Region after all.

58:06

We can assume that somewhere there,

58:09

in Yamal, whatever it is they’re laying there,

58:11

and back and forth—but there are 500 kilometers (about 310 miles) of pipes there,

58:15

worth who knows how many millions of dollars.

58:17

It sank into a swamp of shashlik—8,000 portions of grilled meat.

58:21

Thrown into an abyss—what kind of things like that

58:23

could possibly happen in the Leningrad

58:25

Region and still hide the fact that it wasn’t built,

58:30

roughly speaking, while the money has already been carved up and stolen,

58:33

and this is routine practice at Gazprom, but

58:37

basically speaking,

58:39

that’s why there’s no money for the Yaroslavl Region,

58:42

and that’s why the Gazprom crowd is living so

58:46

in clover—these houses,

58:50

these watches, this real estate,

58:53

Spanish, French—everyone around Gazprom has it all.

58:57

That’s why the only people sitting there are

58:59

Putin’s friends, because some kind of

59:02

super-corruption is going on, if things like this

59:06

can happen—where they just up and stole

59:09

an entire section in the Leningrad Region.

59:11

Well, uh—

59:12

Yes, maybe—I really just can’t imagine.

59:17

Those of you who’ve dealt with this know—there’s oversight,

59:21

and then there’s the FSB (Russia’s security service) everywhere, with every

59:25

contractor, at every subsidiary.

59:27

There’s what they call an apparatus

59:30

of attached personnel, questionnaires, records of where

59:34

they were—so it’s obvious they were drinking, like I

59:36

said at the beginning of my program, what

59:38

the FSB does is drink; they just went and

59:43

bought them vodka.

59:44

They gave them money and said, guys, here’s

59:47

a helicopter,

59:48

go off hunting and to the banya (sauna bathhouse), because

59:52

well,

59:52

you simply can’t fail to see how, over the course of

59:56

several years, a pipeline wasn’t built

1:00:00

that was supposed to be built, for which

1:00:01

funds were being spent, and for which

1:00:03

completion certificates were being signed,

1:00:04

saying it had already been built. I mean,

1:00:06

it’s really quite an amazing setup, of course.

1:00:09

Toward the end of the program, I want to say something about sports.

1:00:14

I want to speak out, and I admit that I’m not

1:00:19

a big fan of watching sports

1:00:23

competitions—I try to stay away from it.

1:00:26

I’ve commented on the Olympics or

1:00:30

the World Cup

1:00:31

only in terms of corruption and all that

1:00:33

other stuff; I don’t get into the substance of it.

1:00:35

But now I

1:00:36

do want to speak about

1:00:37

the actual substance, because in Russia

1:00:39

a great sporting event has taken place, and

1:00:43

you’re probably like, what great event?

1:00:45

What great sporting event?

1:00:47

Don’t you know? The Universiade took place in

1:00:50

Russia. Out of curiosity, I ran a poll on

1:00:53

Twitter and Telegram, and after looking at the results, I

1:00:55

asked people:

1:00:56

Do you know that the Universiade is happening in Russia?

1:00:59

And 59 percent of people told me

1:01:02

they didn’t know. I asked in

1:01:05

my Telegram channel: guys, do you know

1:01:08

that the Winter Universiade is going on? And again,

1:01:11

most people didn’t know—either they didn’t know at all

1:01:14

or had heard of it but didn’t know which city it was in.

1:01:17

So, the Universiade took place in Krasnoyarsk,

1:01:22

and it cost us

1:01:26

80 billion rubles.

1:01:29

It’s an absolutely astonishing thing, because

1:01:31

half the population of Russia

1:01:34

has no idea what this

1:01:36

damn Universiade even is,

1:01:37

why the hell it’s needed, or what on earth

1:01:41

is going on there. But it’s presented

1:01:44

as some kind of great, great

1:01:48

magnificent sports celebration.

1:01:50

Let’s listen to what Putin said at

1:01:53

the opening—41 seconds.

1:01:55

Good evening, dear friends. Welcome

1:01:59

to Russia. Today, Krasnoyarsk,

1:02:08

on the banks of our great Siberian river,

1:02:12

the Yenisei, has welcomed a global celebration

1:02:16

of student sports, a celebration of youth

1:02:19

and friendship,

1:02:21

of hard-fought and close competition.

1:02:24

Thousands of athletes from dozens of countries around the world

1:02:28

will demonstrate their skill,

1:02:30

strength, speed, endurance, and of course

1:02:34

the will to win.

1:02:38

Usually in cases like this, politicians—

1:02:40

opposition politicians, I mean—honestly,

1:02:42

we usually prefer to say, well,

1:02:44

yes, this really is a major sports celebration,

1:02:47

we support the athletes,

1:02:49

send our greetings, that sort of thing. But I

1:02:51

like talking about corruption, I like

1:02:52

that sort of thing—but in this case I want to say

1:02:56

something personally. I read quite a bit,

1:02:59

carefully, on Sports.ru, I read an article—

1:03:02

an article came out about the Universiade saying that

1:03:04

this whole Universiade really is nonsense,

1:03:08

nonsense, murk, and a complete mess, as in such cases

1:03:10

Medvedev likes to say—really, it’s absurd and

1:03:12

a scam.

1:03:13

A fraud, a colossal deception, meaningless

1:03:17

and paid for with our money. And then Putin says—

1:03:20

you understand, he stands there and says to everyone’s face:

1:03:22

this is a celebration of honest sport. But our

1:03:25

Universiade—I looked at the statistics,

1:03:27

and I was stunned.

1:03:28

You really have, from one side, some

1:03:30

random student nobodies coming from all over the world,

1:03:34

and against them we put up

1:03:37

professional athletes. For example, we have

1:03:39

in snowboarding, a two-time world champion,

1:03:42

Maxim Burov, the reigning world champion,

1:03:44

and in freestyle, Maxim Kovtun,

1:03:46

a medalist at the World and European Championships

1:03:47

in figure skating. In other words, we’re basically

1:03:50

cheating in a very simple way: formally, these

1:03:53

people are registered as students. That’s

1:03:55

the only criterion, as it turns out, for the

1:03:57

Universiade, because

1:03:59

For example, in Germany, an application is submitted simply by

1:04:02

email. In other words, anyone can do it.

1:04:03

If a student writes, "Hello, my name is

1:04:06

Hans, and, you know, I'm into skiing, I'd like

1:04:09

to go to the Universiade,"

1:04:10

then off you go. In Norway, they chose from among those

1:04:15

who applied, who were simply willing to go

1:04:18

at their own expense to this godforsaken Krasnoyarsk

1:04:21

in the middle of nowhere. But

1:04:23

naturally,

1:04:23

the people going were athletes ranked around 300th,

1:04:27

400th in Norway's rankings. They

1:04:30

come here,

1:04:31

but honestly, they probably ski

1:04:34

worse than I do, and I can't ski at all.

1:04:38

And against them, we put up

1:04:41

professional athletes.

1:04:42

Naturally, we take all the first, second,

1:04:46

third, and fourth places, and then this is

1:04:50

presented as a great victory, and apparently we don't mind

1:04:53

spending 80 billion rubles (about $1.2 billion at the time) for

1:04:57

this "celebration of sport." What a

1:04:59

truly humiliating, stupid lie that is.

1:05:04

It was like that in Kazan too, and in Kazan it was even worse. I

1:05:06

looked at the statistics there, and it was just

1:05:08

an enormous number of

1:05:10

professional athletes, of course,

1:05:11

so naturally they crushed everyone there too.

1:05:12

Well, how could they not crush them?

1:05:14

And now this same absurdity has continued.

1:05:16

In Krasnoyarsk, why the hell? Someone will say, well,

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"But look how much Krasnoyarsk improved." On the day

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the Universiade opened in Krasnoyarsk,

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they declared a "black sky" emergency (a local term for severe smog). Anyone who watches

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my

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show knows I've talked about this

1:05:34

several times. Krasnoyarsk is a city with

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a monstrous environmental situation, and they have this

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special official procedure there: when

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there are too many emissions from these harmful

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industrial plants that refuse to install

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treatment facilities, they declare a

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"black sky" regime.

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For example, everyone is advised to

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keep their windows shut, children are not taken to school, outdoor

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activities are canceled, and so on and so forth.

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So there were definitely things in Krasnoyarsk

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that 80 billion rubles could have been spent on. For example,

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with 80 billion rubles, they probably could have built

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a sufficient number of treatment

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facilities so they would no longer have to declare

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a "black sky" emergency there, and hundreds of thousands of people

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would live longer.

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Their health would be better, and we would need

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to spend less

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on healthcare in that city.

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But no, for us what's important is some kind of

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bizarre, hellish fetish:

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that we gather up some, again, let's say,

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random nobodies from all over the world, unfortunate

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students, bring in our Olympic

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champions, beat these poor guys,

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and then stand there happily while Channel One (Russia's main state TV channel) tells us

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it's a triumph of Russian sport,

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that Russia is once again in first place. But that's just

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humiliating. And besides, in the end

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it has a bad effect on

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sport itself, because we've convinced ourselves

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that we have some kind of achievements

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where there are no achievements at all. A victory at

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the Universiade is not any kind of

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achievement; it is the personal, private

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obsession of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin,

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who doesn't want to do a damn thing

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except organize

1:07:13

sports events. He likes it.

1:07:15

He likes hockey,

1:07:16

he likes skiing,

1:07:18

he likes the Olympics, he likes figure skating,

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he gets a kick out of all this stuff.

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And we have to pay for it. It's just

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disgusting. First of all, I'd like to

1:07:30

recommend that all of you go to sports.ru

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and read a really excellent

1:07:33

article there. Second, second of all, I

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want to address the sports

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community directly: athletes should

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speak out against this and say,

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"Come on, guys, let's stop lying to

1:07:49

ourselves, because we're humiliating ourselves

1:07:52

very badly with this." Our Natalia,

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our dear Natasha,

1:07:58

our "nyash-myash" Natalia Poklonskaya (a cutesy nickname associated with her), has

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just said something astonishing, even

1:08:05

somewhat shocking. It turns out that in

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the State Duma (Russia's lower house of parliament), a huge number of

1:08:09

people are corrupt, imagine that.

1:08:10

Poklonskaya wrote an autobiographical

1:08:12

book. I mean, apparently there were so many

1:08:14

great accomplishments in her life that she

1:08:16

decided to put out an entire book about

1:08:18

herself, and in it she talked about compromising material on

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deputies, because for some time she

1:08:24

headed

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the Duma commission for monitoring

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the income of members of parliament. We wrote to that

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commission many times, and Natalia

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Poklonskaya told us every time: "fake

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news," saying there was no basis

1:08:40

for punishing the deputies. But

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it turns out our dear Natashenka

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had collected some compromising material

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and wrote about it in her book. I am even officially

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appealing to Natalia Poklonskaya.

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She says there are cases

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showing that deputies are serving

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on the governing bodies of legal entities

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registered abroad,

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specifically in France and Finland. Are you serious? So that means

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this is national

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betrayal too? Deputies own

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real estate in France,

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and that is strictly prohibited. Natalia

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Poklonskaya, if you visited the

1:09:18

Anti-Corruption Foundation website more often,

1:09:20

you'd probably have found even more such cases. But I

1:09:22

am officially appealing to Natalia

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Poklonskaya: please disclose the full

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It is absolutely impossible to put up with a list like this,

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with the presence of such terrible, terrible people on it,

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and

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we are now officially, quite simply,

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demanding this. It has been said, and now it must also be said that

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if there are deputies

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who own real estate somewhere abroad, then let

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her name their names, let those

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deputies be cast out—let Natalia

1:09:49

Poklonskaya herself perform an exorcism and drive them out of

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the State Duma. We are very much looking forward to that.

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And in the very final part of our

1:10:01

program, back once again to the question

1:10:02

of LifeNews—we began with fake news, we

1:10:05

continued with fake news and insulting

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the authorities, and I would like to end on that note,

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once again reminding all 30,000 of you

1:10:13

watching this broadcast that at 2:00 p.m. in Sakharov Square

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on March 10, there will be a rally

1:10:19

in defense of the internet. Please come. A video

1:10:21

from the Lipetsk headquarters came out today, and it is exactly

1:10:26

what we are about to see now. We’ll show

1:10:28

a small excerpt. It’s quite funny. I’ll show you

1:10:30

the moment where the former governor

1:10:32

of the Lipetsk region, Korolyov, sings a song, while

1:10:36

our headquarters—I simply, at that moment, just

1:10:39

started laughing myself when I watched this

1:10:42

video. I thought I should show it on air, and to

1:10:46

this music, they show the real estate

1:10:48

of all these people who live in this

1:10:51

some elite section of an upscale residential settlement

1:10:53

in the Lipetsk region, a very poor

1:10:56

region where people are very poor. And what

1:10:59

you are about to see now is exactly why

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they are introducing a law under which

1:11:06

all news must be blocked, because

1:11:09

videos like this will be the first

1:11:14

objects and targets of this new

1:11:17

legislation, because they understand

1:11:19

that they will say: this is fake news. You

1:11:20

are showing the governor’s dacha (country house)—did he authorize

1:11:24

you to show it? And if he did not authorize it,

1:11:25

then it is merely disclosure of personal data, a dangerous

1:11:27

act, and fake news—block it. But we

1:11:31

will keep showing it to you. So let’s just,

1:11:34

at the end of the program,

1:11:35

after all, since there is a holiday tomorrow, in order

1:11:38

to create a festive mood,

1:11:39

listen to a beautiful song, by the way,

1:11:42

about love, by the former governor

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of the Lipetsk region, now a member of the Federation

1:11:46

Council.

1:11:48

Colleague Klishas—and while we’re at it, let’s also look at

1:11:50

some beautiful images.

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*Song:* Above the river, softly, the birches rustle and...

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his neighbor...

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As if in bloom, I love it when evening falls over the river

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and he softly sang to his neighbor:

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White birch, I love you,

1:12:20

stretch out your white branch to me with your...

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...

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turned white...

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My darling, she playfully rustled her leaves, and

1:12:40

the dear wind... and from those words

1:12:48

from those poor...

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all that could be heard was

1:13:00

how he sang to her

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...and so on.

1:13:09

Purposefulness and constant work

1:13:12

on oneself—agreed?

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[applause]

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I haven’t stood at this podium for so long that there’s nothing more

1:13:19

to do here—I’m off.

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That was a festive song, and now I

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join this wonderful

1:13:28

official and wish all women, girls,

1:13:33

mothers, sisters, grandmothers, and so on, as

1:13:36

the former governor said, purposefulness,

1:13:39

work on yourselves, and every kind of

1:13:42

happiness. Happy upcoming March 8th (International Women’s Day) to you all.

1:13:44

Bye, see you next Thursday.

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