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Good evening, everyone. In Moscow, it's 8:02 p.m.

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I apologize for the fact that

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we delayed the start of the broadcast a little, but

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in any case, we're still live.

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This is the *Russia of the Future* program, and I am

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its permanent host, Alexei Navalny, and

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today I am a “celluloid doll,” so we

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had to close the window because

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motorcyclists are roaring outside. We'll shut everything, and today I am

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a “celluloid doll,” as Vladimir Solovyov called me.

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Vladimir Solovyov. Let's listen to

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this wonderful man:

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“When, in all seriousness, that little fool by the name of

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Navalny, that cold little doll,

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starts reasoning about some three parts—

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yes, that fool Navalny, that

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celluloid doll.” Vladimir Solovyov

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has made my task easier. I mean, of course,

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among the huge number of

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state media outlets, you can always

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pick some funny nickname

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they've used for me, but Solovyov

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burst onto YouTube and started doing

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giant broadcasts, and there are plenty of absolutely

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great names there. As I said, he

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apparently does it on purpose because

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he likes that I show clips from him on my

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broadcast, thereby promoting

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his YouTube channel. Well, basically,

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big YouTube channels should help

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small and new ones, so

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basically, a big strong channel

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is extending a helping hand to this half-dead

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newcomer named Vladimir Solovyov. As for

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long broadcasts, I don't know

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how much time we'll spend together today.

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I kept cutting, cutting, cutting

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the script for you, and then suddenly it

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turns into something huge every time. But don't

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be alarmed—if anything, write, write. I don't

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know, just write to me in big capital

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letters: “That's it, log off, we're sick of it,” with

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the hashtag #RussiaOfTheFuture on Twitter. They will

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pass your questions on to me, and I

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will answer them. The news that

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came literally five minutes before we went on air

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is that Russian Prime Minister Mikhail

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Mishustin has been diagnosed with coronavirus. We do not

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like Mikhail Mishustin. We consider him

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a crook and a thief. We know that he is a crook and

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a thief; we have proven it many times. The most

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popular investigation this year was about

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Mikhail Mishustin. But of course I

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wish him good health. He should get through this

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completely healthy and, sooner or later,

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stand trial and answer for all

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the things he did together with

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his accomplices, when he and

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they, while sitting in the tax service, stole from

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the Russian budget billions. But everything

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that is happening with Mishustin—well, let's forget

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that he is a crook. He is a human being,

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a high-ranking person, a person

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around whom, you know, they built

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a large number of cordons and

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medical, and also social and cultural, protections.

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You can't accuse Mishustin of

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having, you know, gone out for a barbecue

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without listening to Dr. Malysheva (a well-known Russian TV doctor), or

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having listened to

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her and then gone and gotten wasted with the guys

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and, I don't know, run after someone at a

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village disco, and therefore

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caught coronavirus. No—Mishustin

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is at the very center of a situation

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where people have the ability to take

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the maximum possible measures against

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coronavirus, and nevertheless he got sick. Here it is

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appropriate to recall how certain

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state media gloated when

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Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister of

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the United Kingdom, fell ill. Now the same thing has happened in Russia.

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This shows us that this is

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a dangerous disease, and it is very difficult

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to protect yourself from it. And most importantly—again,

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forgive me, I'm just like

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a ram staring at a new gate (a Russian idiom meaning someone fixated on one thing), repeating the same thing—this

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can affect anyone. Therefore we need

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to help everyone now, absolutely everyone. Well,

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now Mishustin is down, and instead of him

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Belousov is acting in his place—a

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much more hellish economic

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figure. He is known for always

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being portrayed by journalists as—

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in reality it's not quite so simple—there is a kind of

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liberal wing in the government and

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in economic policy overall—people like Kudrin and the like—and

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then there are these hellish satans

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who want to immediately spend all

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the money on gigantic state

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projects. Belousov represents

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that wing, although of course this is a simplified

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picture. So one can assume that if

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God forbid something happens with Mishustin, if

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this drags on longer, if he gets sicker and

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is out for a long time, then Belousov

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will begin an amazing money giveaway, and

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he will be handing it out to large companies,

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to oligarchs, not to people at all, even though it is

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clear that people are the ones who need money. Mishustin

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got sick, but anyone could get sick—

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the father of a family, the mother of a family, any

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person who is the head of a household.

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If that person gets sick, the family may already have

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lost its income, and all the more so now it has

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lost income. There is no money. You need a whole room,

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you need to isolate the person so that he

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stays there, no one goes in, and he is treated.

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You need medicine, you need to buy it. Mishustin

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can get medicine—he'll be fine—but

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how many such Mishustins are there? We

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already understand now that

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the scale of the epidemic

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does not match the official figures, and

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getting sick right now is very expensive. Therefore

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people need to be given money. Therefore I still urge you—

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I still urge you, there has already been a lot...

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The signatures have probably totaled around

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a million.

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But even so, well, this program is watched

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by a much larger number of people in a week

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than have signed on the website so far.

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Frankly, this really upsets me.

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It means I haven’t found

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the right words for you,

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the words needed to convince everyone, and so on.

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It also means that you, of course, don’t believe

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in signatures and all that. But still,

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this has to be done very quickly.

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We need to make sure a lot of people hear about it

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and that many people demand it, because we

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will talk about this today. Apparently,

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the quarantine measures will be lifted from May 11 არა

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not because the epidemic will be over, but because

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because they simply do not want

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to give out money.

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But our task in any case, even if

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the quarantine measures are lifted, is that April has passed

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while we were sitting under all these

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well, essentially under

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self-isolation rules. For this April, give people

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money. Even if everything is lifted tomorrow,

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we are not withdrawing our demand for direct support

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for people, and we believe that

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for April, the government should give each person

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20,000 rubles (about US$215), because that is a fair

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and reasonable compensation. Even

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Mishustin has fallen ill, so in that case let’s

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give everyone money, because people are getting sick, people

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are paying for medicine, and so on.

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I’m going to talk about this in detail now.

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But I saw statistics: in 40 or 37

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regions, a so-called mask

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regime has been introduced. Has anyone been given masks for free there?

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They have to be bought—that’s a separate issue.

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They aren’t available, but you’re still supposed to buy them.

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You don’t give people free masks, but you tell them:

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if you go outside

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without a mask, you’ll be punished. But how are you supposed

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to buy one? Sure, it’s 100 rubles, 400 rubles,

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500 rubles (roughly US$1–5), but you still have to find the money and pay.

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So if you want people to pay out of their own pockets,

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to come up with the money themselves and pay,

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then why is it impossible to squeeze anything out of the budget?

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They won’t give it, they won’t. And now, interestingly enough,

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notice how, through various

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people—both openly pro-government ones and

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obvious pro-

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propagandists, and even moderately

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opposition-minded publicists and

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commentators—they are pushing the idea that

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well, in wartime, it’s wartime, guys.

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There’s an epidemic right now, a serious problem, so

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let’s just stop

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criticizing the government for now.

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Let’s all pull together, defeat this

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coronavirus, and then, in peacetime,

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we’ll criticize. But right now, anyone who criticizes

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is suspicious—what do they want?

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Do they want their own people to lose?

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Why are they going after Putin now? This is not the time

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for criticism. And perhaps the best

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version of this was voiced by my favorite propagandist,

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Vladimir Pozner (a well-known Russian TV host), because he is, of course,

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the most sophisticated propagandist.

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Even now, in 2020, it’s amazing

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to watch how a large number of

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seemingly normal people just kind of

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turn to mush and melt when

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they see Pozner, and there he is, all smooth and polished, and he

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says these things, and he speaks very well,

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very elegantly, and he constantly reminds everyone that

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he is a citizen of three countries and has spent a lot of

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time in France, and can pronounce French

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restaurant names with charm.

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And people completely fall for this

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nonsense. But in my view, this was one of the most

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outrageous statements that

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has been made. Let’s listen to the clip; I’ll

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stay in the corner, because this is Channel One (Russia’s main state TV channel),

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and I’ll

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be insulting the wonderful

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Vladimir Pozner with my presence. Fifty-nine seconds on why

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you must not criticize the government in difficult times.

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On the internet and in a number of our

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media outlets, including

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some that are not ours, there are very often appearances by

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opponents of President Putin and the current

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authorities. But what strikes me is that often, in

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these appearances,

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there is poorly concealed, and sometimes even

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openly gloating

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commentary about the number of

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people infected,

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the number of deaths. And I think, perhaps

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for the duration of the pandemic,

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at a time when the country as a whole is fairly

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tense, when people are tense too, and many are

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confused,

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perhaps for this period it would be worth setting aside

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your grievances and accusations.

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Perhaps it would be better to direct your efforts,

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your energy, your mind, toward

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supporting people’s hopes, and only later,

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when the pandemic subsides,

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return to your usual concerns.

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Well, you see how all of this sounds

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logical enough: the country is tense right now, maybe

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we should direct our efforts…

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Alexander writes: what should be done about attempts

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to throw medical students into the line of fire

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in the fight against COVID? Indeed, today

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there are simply huge numbers of people on Instagram

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who study at medical colleges and

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are writing that they are being forced

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—medical college students, and also those at

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medical faculties—

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people whose specialties are only loosely related to this,

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for example cosmetologists,

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write that they are being made to go work in these

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hospitals, supposedly as internships, and for free.

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And these people too, for example—are they also not supposed

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to criticize the government right now?

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You see, on Instagram, students are writing en masse that they are being

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forced to work.

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for free

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But if it's effectively martial law and we

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are supposed to

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then all stand together, shoulder to shoulder,

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and not criticize the government, then

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fine, we've propped up the government with our shoulder,

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and we say: come on, Volodya, Vladimir,

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Vladimir Putin, Vladimir Vladimirovich,

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Posner, go ahead — but what about the government?

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Doesn't it want to push a little

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in the other direction? But these medical students —

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fine, say 20,000 rubles to each of them

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— that's what we're demanding. Why should they have to work

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for free, while all the others — Rosgvardiya

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troops, various police officers,

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Mikhail Mishustin goes on sick leave, but

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he still gets paid. Why should medical students

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have to do this for free?

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Again, there's a gigantic budget and enormous

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amounts of money — some mythical 17 or 18

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trillion rubles. So maybe they should be paid

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a salary, for example, for what they'll be doing?

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No, no — we all have to shut up and

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help the beloved government because

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these are hard times, and I can't calmly

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watch Vladimir Pozner (a well-known Russian TV host) as he

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once again tells us about hard

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times, because he's exactly the kind of person

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who has spent his whole life talking about hard times,

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about hard times — his whole life, all his

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life he has always had some explanation for why

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the government is right, while the people — or these

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as he put it, "certain people" —

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who criticize the authorities are somehow gloating, or whatever.

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This man has been doing this his whole life. Here, a video —

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I'll show you now.

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It's 1979. Little Alexei Navalny is 3

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years old; he's not watching TV yet, but

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Vladimir Pozner, even back then, already

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in a turtleneck and a soft little jacket,

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is looking into the camera very intelligently

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and explaining: these dissidents — no one

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is afraid of any dissidents in Russia

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or the Soviet Union; they're just breaking the law, listen.

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If they break the law, they must be

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punished. Back then they were locked up in psychiatric hospitals

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for nothing at all — for "slandering"

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the Soviet system.

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People would come out and say, you know,

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there is no real socialism in the Soviet Union,

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there's nothing to eat — and you'd be jailed

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instantly. Ordinary people were jailed

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just like that. And then Vladimir

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would come along and say, my God, look, there's an article of law,

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this is Soviet propaganda — they need to be imprisoned.

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And if you break the law, you must be

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prepared for that. 1979 — let's watch. "In your country

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there are a small number of dissidents. Why does

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your government in your country seem so

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afraid of them?" — "No one is afraid."

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"Why do you think it's afraid?" "Then why

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is life so difficult for them here?" "Well,

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life is difficult for them because they are few, and because

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in general they are going against

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the colossal majority.

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And of course life is hard for them, but no one is

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afraid of them. Another matter is that when they

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break certain laws, when that

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happens — and far from all of them break the law —

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the law is the law. You may like it or not,

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but it must be respected.

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If you break it, then you should expect

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the consequences. But no, they are not really

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afraid of them."

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You see? They're all like that, at any

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time, under any regime — the very same

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people sitting there on television,

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including on state TV. They used to be

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Soviet propagandists, then they became

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democratic propagandists, and now they are

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— forget ideology altogether — simply

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Putin's propagandists for a thieving system, and they

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always find a reason

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to explain to us why there are certain

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outcasts who criticize

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the government, that they are breaking laws — but what kind

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of government is this anyway? Right now everyone is

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completely rallying behind the authorities: let's once again

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support them because these are hard times. And it has always been

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about hard times.

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Look it up on YouTube.

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During the Afghan war, he said that

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it was the right decision. When the USSR shot down

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the Korean airliner, he said they had not

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shot down any Korean plane. We must

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unite in times like these. The government always

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has a reason to lie, and that lie is always

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made to sound so convincing. What's more, they also

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try to climb onto a hill of moral

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superiority and from there tell us

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how shameful we are. Like right now, when it's so

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hard for the country, in the middle of an epidemic, and you

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are saying things with a certain malicious glee.

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You know,

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dear Vladimir Pozner, all the rest of us

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are speaking not with glee, but rather

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with a kind of desperation, because, well,

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what is your government doing? We

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launched this "Five Steps" campaign, and

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the entire political establishment

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said it was nonsense. We simply

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put out a call: guys,

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tell us your personal stories. And these

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personal stories — I'll show you two small ones,

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from completely different people,

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from different walks of life, and there are

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tens of millions of such people.

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What are they guilty of? In what way

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have they wronged this government?

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Here, yes — Tatyana from Kostroma worked at a

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jewelry factory.

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Let's watch her story. "Hello, my name is Tatyana.

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I worked at one of the jewelry factories

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in the Kostroma region. Due to the coronavirus

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epidemic, my company

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laid me off.

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My loans and utility payments at the moment

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right now...

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monthly

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exceed the amount I will still be receiving

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only in unemployment benefits from the employment office

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labor

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the federal and regional authorities

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are providing no support in this situation, and I

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don’t know what to do in this situation. I

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signed the petition “Five Steps to”

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which I urge you to support as well. It is the only

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way to survive the epidemic

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damn it, this is nonsense

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So Tatyana—how exactly is she supposed to

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rally around the government now? Why shouldn’t she

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be allowed to criticize it? How is she

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supposed to unite around it? But here’s the thing:

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this person worked at a factory

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I mean, not some hipster, not a journalist

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not a businessman—worked at a factory, and

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was laid off. And generally, in theory, it’s assumed that

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for some of these ordinary people

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who were laid off, there are procedures and they are given

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some kind of assistance. But she wasn’t given any help

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so why, how exactly is she supposed to

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love the government now, when she

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paid taxes? She works in Kostroma Oblast

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(a region in western Russia)

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Some of you may have been surprised

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to hear the phrase, “I worked at a

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jewelry factory in Kostroma Oblast,” because

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that is traditionally a region with a huge

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number of jewelry factories

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located there

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But people are being laid off, so how can they

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possibly love the government now? They can’t

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not at all. Now, a completely different

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story: an entrepreneur from

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Yekaterinburg. Let’s hear from him. Hello,

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my name is Vladimir Pan, I am a co-owner

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of a chain of cafeterias in the city of Yekaterinburg. Due

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to the events

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related to the quarantine, my cafeterias

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are closed, my employees are not working, and all

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the funds I had available, I

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have already paid out to my employees. I no longer

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have the ability to keep paying

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so people are left without money. How my

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business will fare after

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the quarantine measures are lifted, I also do not know

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That is why Mr. Navalny’s proposal

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“Five Steps for Russia” seems to me very

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timely and necessary. First of all, it

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will help my employees survive—this money,

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these payments, these monthly payments

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And then it may also help

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me survive as an entrepreneur, because

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Navalny proposes paying all

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businesses and entrepreneurs 3.2 trillion

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rubles and cancel taxes

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To collect taxes when we are currently not

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working is, at the very least, absurd. I signed

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this petition, and I urge you to sign

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Mr. Navalny’s petition

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Thank you

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As I understand it, my words—“damn, this is

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nonsense”—from the previous video made it into

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the broadcast somehow. I apologize; I just

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thought it would be trimmed down a bit, shortened

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But in fact, right now we

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are flooded with a huge number

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of personal stories

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There is simply no money. And yet somehow they

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seriously have the nerve to say

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“let’s rally around the government”

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Fine—but if the government has no money

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and does not want to pay, then maybe

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they should have prepared the country better. And

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right now the government is generally on very good terms

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with the WHO, the World Health Organization,

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because there

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international institutions have been quite

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complimentary toward the Russian

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government and did not criticize it for

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anything

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But then it published—well, this is not some

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malicious American source or anyone else

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it is an organization in which Russia sits on every

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more or less significant commission—and it

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published a ranking

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of countries’ preparedness for epidemics. Do you know

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what place we took there? 49th

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We ranked 49th there. The ranking reflects

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each state’s ability

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to cope with unforeseen crises

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in the healthcare system, taking into account

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the number of hospital beds, doctors, and

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nurses per 10,000 people. But

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of course, we carried out the so-called

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“optimization” here—everything was cut back

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cut and slashed, and it turned out—whoops

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we are in 49th place, with 48 countries

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ahead of us. And for that too, we’re not supposed to

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criticize the government? Well, because they

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were obviously doing everything wrong in terms of

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preparing for the epidemic, and now they are doing

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everything very badly in terms of fighting this

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epidemic as well. I mean, when I

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was preparing this, I did not yet know that Mishustin

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had fallen ill. That is one of the new

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striking examples—they could not even protect

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the top leadership, the most important people. But people are

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completely

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different, including young people, and those who

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are, generally speaking, in the upper

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part of society in terms of their

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ability to access medical care

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This week, for example, a

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34-year-old employee from the

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Sixth Department died

21:39

of the Government Communications Directorate, and he went

21:42

to an FSB hospital, and at that hospital he

21:45

came in, they asked him

21:47

if he had been coughing, if he felt unwell

21:49

As I understand it, colleagues describe him, and they

21:52

asked whether he had been in contact with foreigners

21:53

He said no, he had not

21:55

and they told him: no test for you,

21:57

not indicated, not indicated, not indicated—but in the end

22:00

It all ended with him winding up in

22:02

the hospital, likewise on a ventilator

22:04

and he died. He was 34 years old, 34

22:08

years old.

22:08

A death from coronavirus. But this really

22:10

is the point: this was someone being treated in Moscow

22:13

at an FSB departmental hospital (a hospital run by Russia’s Federal Security Service).

22:16

So what does that say about the rest of Russian

22:19

medicine? There’s absolutely none of it, and we

22:22

are supposed to be grateful for it. Right now

22:24

we’re supposedly meant to rally around something. Yes, I

22:26

think this is exactly the moment

22:29

when we should be criticizing and going after this

22:31

government. But we’re not calling on

22:33

people to leave their homes or anything like that.

22:35

But right now the situation is such that they

22:39

can’t lie about their organizational,

22:42

political, or any other kind of incompetence.

22:44

They can’t. All the measures

22:46

taken by our government—today there was

22:49

an absolutely brilliant headline about Putin.

22:52

Everyone reposted it on social media. I

22:55

was even going to show it at the beginning—it was about mattresses.

22:57

Putin said that he is confident in

23:01

growing demand for mattresses, and that, that

23:05

perfectly characterizes the situation.

23:08

It’s some kind of hellish circus where

23:11

no one understands what is happening and

23:14

no one understands what the government is doing.

23:16

It’s been a month now, I think exactly a month today,

23:18

since we all started sitting at home.

23:20

Do you—do you understand the government’s

23:23

strategy, what it is doing from the standpoint

23:25

of assistance, from the standpoint of fighting

23:27

coronavirus? What strategy is there? No. I

23:29

am sure you don’t understand, and no one

23:31

understands what they are doing. From the standpoint

23:33

of isolation—first they said masks

23:37

weren’t needed, now masks are mandatory for everyone.

23:39

At first they were against mass testing,

23:41

now they seem to be in favor of mass

23:42

testing, but that mass

23:44

testing still is not actually being carried out. No

23:45

one understands. A certain level

23:48

of chaos exists in every country because

23:51

this is something new. But in Russia, for the most part,

23:54

they talk but do not do anything, basically.

23:56

They just sit and wait, like,

23:59

someone died, someone didn’t—well, that’s just how it is.

24:02

We’ll probably just wait out some amount

24:03

of time. And from the standpoint of

24:06

this same isolation, fines, and

24:08

punishments, it’s also just some kind of

24:10

peak chaos. That Moscow hostel—I

24:15

when I watched it, our Moscow штаб (operational headquarters) made

24:18

a video about it, and I thought: this

24:20

cannot be real. We actually have in Moscow

24:22

a hostel—well, a hostel, an ordinary cheap hotel.

24:24

Some people arrived there,

24:26

people at the

24:28

hostel. One of them had been in contact with someone, and they

24:31

literally locked them inside that hostel—

24:33

strangers who had come from different places—

24:36

and are keeping them there. Let’s watch, 1 minute 14 seconds.

24:39

So how did you end up there, and how many

24:43

people are there? After that, the hostel became

24:58

sealed off; employees of Rospotrebnadzor (Russia’s consumer safety watchdog)

25:01

issued orders prohibiting

25:03

people from leaving the premises. In the closed hostel,

25:06

with each passing week more and more

25:08

people are falling ill. At the moment, several

25:11

have been taken to the hospital, but many who came down

25:14

with coronavirus remained in the hostel

25:16

to self-medicate. What happens when

25:18

couriers bring you food? Do they also

25:21

bring it upstairs?

25:24

We are being kept in absolutely unacceptable conditions.

25:28

There is no protection at all. Even the antiseptics that

25:31

used to be in the kitchen were removed.

25:33

As punishment, the administrator showed

25:37

that the water had been turned off—as punishment.

25:39

They removed the antiseptics as punishment. And one more thing:

25:42

the shift

25:45

And what were you punished for? For not

25:47

obeying.

25:48

That’s how I understand it.

25:50

One more thing: today they cut off our electricity.

25:53

That is, the lights in the rooms do not work.

25:56

Only a few people still have working

25:58

outlets.

26:00

So, 50 random people are there, like in

26:04

some film like *And Then There Were None* (known in Russian as *Ten Little Indians*),

26:05

gathered somewhere, then someone got sick,

26:08

they took him away, and locked the rest in.

26:10

Then, as usual, they turned off the lights and

26:12

turned off the water, locked the place, and what is

26:15

supposed to happen? If there is a risk

26:18

of illness, then let’s test them,

26:20

send them home, after all.

26:21

You cannot just take random people,

26:23

lock them up with a padlock, and

26:25

not let them out. And in the end, okay, Misha—

26:28

now Mishustin has fallen ill, Mishustin got

26:31

coronavirus, confirmed.

26:33

Confirmed. How is that any different from

26:34

the hostel? It’s the same thing: there is a hostel,

26:36

they locked it up, and there is the government building.

26:38

Mishustin got sick, so

26:40

let’s just go up to the government building,

26:41

put a huge padlock on it,

26:43

lock everyone inside, and let them sit there.

26:45

And then, in exactly the same way, raise plastic bottles

26:47

with some food up to them there. But that is

26:49

complete nonsense. And even in matters like these,

26:51

there is simply no

26:53

plan whatsoever. And there was a huge scandal after

26:55

our Moscow штаб (operational headquarters) published a video saying

26:57

things were supposedly improving, while these people had their water cut off.

27:00

The Moscow government says

27:02

it will solve this problem, but this is

27:05

a very strange thing, because at

27:07

any construction site, if sick people are identified, at

27:09

any workplace, in any group, anywhere—

27:12

and again, they recently created

27:13

huge traffic jams across the city because of the metro checks, but at the same time one

27:16

idiot for some reason decided that this

27:18

hostel—let’s lock up the dormitory.

27:20

An astonishing story, absurd once again.

27:24

Thank you very much to everyone who took part in

27:26

Smart Voting, because the rector

27:27

of this university, Natalia Pochinok,

27:29

a disgusting United Russia member, and you and I

27:31

managed to throw her out.

27:32

She did not become a deputy there;

27:35

Maxim Kruglov won, excellent, now representing

27:36

Yabloko in that district.

27:38

Simply thanks to Smart Voting. But

27:40

just look at what this person is actually doing.

27:43

She has a dorm there, students in it,

27:47

students living in the dormitory,

27:49

and the students living in the dormitory are subject to

27:51

the usual Moscow rules, the ordinary

27:54

Moscow rules that I live by too.

27:56

They mean that, well, if you need to,

27:58

you go to the store, and if you need to go to the store,

28:00

or go to the pharmacy, you go to the pharmacy.

28:02

The same applies to students, yes, they

28:05

Again, we do not have an official quarantine in Russia;

28:08

there is no official quarantine in

28:10

Russia, only self-isolation, so students

28:12

are supposed to observe self-isolation. That means

28:14

this United Russia member simply issues

28:18

an order saying: no, everyone must stay locked

28:19

up, and they are literally being kept

28:21

under lock and key. Here, a person is recording:

28:22

look, here is the order, yes: it is forbidden

28:25

to leave the dormitory, and it is forbidden to

28:28

order anything online, you understand, through

28:30

the internet, the purchase of goods is prohibited.

28:32

Show it again, I just didn’t manage

28:34

to read it. There was also text saying it is forbidden

28:35

to purchase goods via the internet, and

28:37

courier delivery too. But excuse me, I am

28:39

sitting at home, and if they told me that I was not

28:43

allowed to have anything delivered here by courier,

28:45

well, that is already called prison.

28:48

That is not called self-isolation.

28:49

No one can forbid anything like that, except

28:50

within the limits of the law, I mean.

28:52

And they were told: so, sit here,

28:54

you cannot order anything, and you are under arrest.

28:56

Here, for 30 seconds, a person is trying to leave

28:58

the dormitory, look.

29:04

[music]

29:20

The person got out, well, after a scandal.

29:23

He called the police, because, well, he called

29:25

the police, the police came and said,

29:27

indeed, they had no right not to let him out, and he left.

29:30

After that scandal, they did not

29:31

let him back in, and then they sent him a notice by email saying that he had been

29:33

expelled. I mean, what for? Why?

29:38

They sent a notification. And this student,

29:40

an honors student, you understand, an excellent student, he was

29:43

expelled for leaving the dormitory.

29:44

But everyone leaves their homes, so what

29:48

is going on? What outrages me here

29:49

is that it simply shows that there is

29:51

no strategy, no plan, no

29:53

law at all, just some kind of lawlessness, some

29:54

kind of nonsense. This rector, for this

29:57

order banning students from

29:59

leaving and from receiving the things they need,

30:01

should be prosecuted. This is abuse of

30:02

official authority. This is simply

30:05

an overreach of official powers.

30:07

It is outrageous: she just went ahead and expelled a student.

30:10

This student recorded a video, he

30:11

told his story. Let’s listen.

30:12

What is simply astonishing here is that

30:14

it means a rector appointed by

30:17

the state, a civilian official,

30:19

can now actually impose

30:22

a prison-like regime on her own

30:24

students, who are not subordinate

30:26

to her in that sense at all. She is not some kind of commandant.

30:29

A dormitory manager has no right to restrict you in anything.

30:31

I mean, these are simply

30:32

ordinary civilians who live

30:34

there, just as if my building manager right now

30:36

said that Navalny (Alexei Navalny, Russian opposition politician) was

30:38

forbidden to leave his apartment and

30:39

to order anything delivered home. It is the same thing.

30:41

But this is happening to students. Let’s watch.

30:44

Hello, my name is Anton Ocheretin, and

30:48

together with the other students, I was

30:50

not allowed to leave the dormitory building.

30:54

We were also forbidden from receiving

30:57

deliveries ordered online. On April 25,

31:00

I tried to leave the dormitory, but I was not

31:03

allowed out. The administration cited

31:06

quarantine; however, they could provide no documents

31:09

confirming

31:11

that there was a quarantine in the dormitory.

31:13

The administration was unable to do so.

31:15

With the help of the police, on April 26 I was able

31:19

to leave the dormitory.

31:21

However, I was unable to return.

31:25

And together with Daniil Petrov,

31:27

Daniil,

31:28

we were left out on the street. On the 27th, we found out

31:32

that Daniil and I had been expelled on the basis of

31:36

Clause 2 of Order No. 505 dated April 22,

31:44

signed by the rector.

31:46

This order was removed from the official

31:49

website.

31:49

Right now, the dormitory building houses

31:52

a very large number of

31:55

international students,

31:57

as well as students from the Russian Federation,

31:59

who cannot leave it.

32:01

They are very frightened and are in an extremely

32:04

distressed emotional state.

32:08

That is why I say this is chaos. And this is not even

32:10

some story from far away; this is Moscow.

32:12

It is not as if some news came from somewhere far away in the Urals

32:15

about a petty tyrant boss in a village forbidding people

32:17

to leave a dormitory. This is all happening in Moscow.

32:19

People are posting videos online,

32:20

saying: guys, they have locked everything down here completely.

32:23

I mean, no one is getting in, no one is getting out,

32:25

and nothing is happening at all, because

32:26

nobody understands the basic concept here:

32:29

what are we doing — keeping them locked up, or allowing them

32:31

to move around? The countries that are

32:35

handling the spread of the

32:37

coronavirus much better than we are give people

32:38

They allow people to run, for example, to exercise,

32:40

to do physical exercise, and generally just walk more,

32:43

while keeping a certain distance. Here, on the one hand,

32:47

there’s chaos, and on the other hand,

32:48

they’re looking for someone to blame, and overall the strategy is completely unclear.

32:52

That is, it’s just totally unclear.

32:54

Putin has spoken four times, and we still

32:56

haven’t understood what the plan is, but

32:59

apparently we’ve understood that there is no plan at all, and

33:00

all this nonsense

33:02

— what I showed, with people being kept in a hostel,

33:04

people being kept in a dormitory — is happening against the backdrop of

33:07

the fact that I posted — and I was

33:10

the first to post —

33:11

an order from the head of the Moscow Department of Health,

33:13

Aleksei (Alexei) Khripun, and in it

33:17

it simply says that, actually,

33:19

people who are sick with

33:23

coronavirus, but are not in serious condition,

33:26

are now being sent home. The order exists — please show it.

33:28

Can we take a look at this

33:30

order? Here it is. So, in order to keep

33:33

hospitals from being overcrowded, people are

33:36

told — doctors tell them — to sign

33:37

a voluntary consent form, a refusal of

33:40

hospitalization under outpatient conditions,

33:41

and that’s it. And this sick person, a person with coronavirus,

33:44

goes home — whether they take him there or

33:48

however it happens — in theory he is supposed to

33:49

self-isolate. He shouldn’t be out and about, but

33:52

the fact is that they are sending people home from the hospital.

33:54

So then why are we keeping healthy people locked up?

33:56

Or people whose status is unknown — healthy or not healthy?

33:58

You do a test — look outside or in

34:00

the metro, people are riding around, and we don’t understand

34:02

whether they’re healthy or sick, but they look

34:04

exactly like these students; outwardly they seem fine,

34:06

no one is dragging them anywhere, while we send sick people

34:09

home. And one of the most monstrous stories

34:12

that happened in this regard is about

34:14

this woman. When they sent me

34:17

— a small digression here — when they sent me

34:19

the order, which in general

34:22

looks reasonable, and hospitals shouldn’t

34:24

necessarily keep everyone

34:26

who is asymptomatic or almost asymptomatic.

34:28

Doctors wrote to me: “Alexei, look,”

34:30

“they’ve created this arrangement. It looks

34:32

reasonable, but under that cover they’ll simply

34:35

do this: an elderly woman is lying there, she’s sick, and

34:39

a doctor comes up to her. Naturally, she’s afraid of him,

34:41

she’ll do whatever he says. He says,

34:42

‘Ma’am, sign this voluntary

34:44

consent form. We’re sending you home.’ Great, right?

34:46

‘Doctor, home?’ — ‘Yes, yes, yes…’

34:48

And she’s been lying there for three days,

34:50

‘What procedures have they done for you?’

34:52

She says, ‘None.’ Well then, basically,

34:55

that’s it — right, let’s send you home.’

34:57

So they just send her home like that,

35:00

simply in order to

35:01

shift responsibility off themselves.

35:04

And when I suggested this, many

35:07

officials were outraged: ‘How can you

35:09

even suggest such a thing?’

35:10

And then this one video showed how such cases

35:13

lead to absolutely monstrous

35:16

situations. People like this are then transported

35:18

by what they call a ‘social taxi’.

35:20

So, they’re in the hospital with coronavirus,

35:22

in the hospital.

35:23

A doctor comes up and says, ‘Want to go home? Then go,’ and

35:25

this social taxi picks up several people

35:28

and drives them around.

35:28

And we all saw the video. Let’s

35:31

watch it — I’ll comment off

35:33

camera — showing how this social taxi

35:35

arrives, and they help a woman out. The woman —

35:39

there was no one at home for her.

35:41

A common situation: she’s in the hospital,

35:43

her relatives weren’t expecting her. They take

35:46

this woman by the arm — she’s clearly in bad shape — and sit her down on

35:48

a bench. As you can see, she’s really

35:52

feeling pretty awful.

35:55

But apparently, according to them, everything is fine. You can see the exchange:

35:58

‘Everything’s fine.’ And then she lies down, lies down on

36:01

the bench. Hardly normal. And this happened, I think,

36:04

not long ago.

36:06

It was cold, and a woman doesn’t lie down outside in the cold

36:09

on a bench because she’s enjoying life

36:11

or feeling well. But

36:13

it all ended with the taxi

36:15

driving away, and the woman died. She had just been discharged from

36:19

the hospital, and she died.

36:22

It’s unclear whether this mattered, but in

36:26

that same taxi

36:28

there was also a woman named Olga Gracheva.

36:34

She is a high-ranking Moscow

36:36

official. Later, the media outlet *Baza* reported

36:38

on this and established that when

36:41

they were sending several people

36:42

home to recover, this

36:44

senior official was among them.

36:45

It’s hard to say for sure, but here she is,

36:49

you can see her here, circled.

36:52

Naturally, she very much wanted

36:54

to go home, and this social taxi didn’t stop.

36:56

But honestly, in general,

36:58

they had no right to take out of

37:00

that taxi a person who was in such bad shape

37:03

that she lay down on a bench. If you see

37:06

a person collapse onto

37:08

a bench, what do you do? You call an ambulance.

37:10

They didn’t call one — they put her on a bench,

37:13

and then took the official on home. But

37:16

again, we don’t know whether she said, ‘You see,

37:18

take me home, let her die,’ or whether, on the contrary,

37:20

she said something else. Maybe it had nothing to do with her at all.

37:22

Maybe none of this happened because of her. But nevertheless,

37:24

the fact remains a fact.

37:26

I’m simply saying this to show

37:29

that on the one hand, they catch someone,

37:31

drag them somewhere, take them away, lock them up in some

37:34

dormitory, while on the other hand: ‘Oh, you’re sick,

37:37

you’ve got coronavirus, you’re having trouble, ma’am,

37:39

breathing? Well, lie down on the bench, have a rest,

37:42

for a bit, maybe they’ll let you go in a moment,’

37:44

and she died. And who was punished for that?

37:47

No one was held accountable for it—they just discharged her.

37:49

And now the doctor says, “Well, look…”

37:51

After all, she signed voluntary consent.

37:52

Not everyone signs voluntary consent, though.

37:54

People do sign voluntary consent forms, you know.

37:56

You were in the hospital yourself—it doesn’t matter whether you’re there...

37:58

an elderly person who is afraid of doctors

37:59

or a young person who

38:03

well, the point is, a doctor in a hospital is

38:05

a doctor, yes, and he carries that kind of authority.

38:07

...just lie there and then go home.

38:09

That’s it, he went home and died on a bench.

38:11

There’s a piece of paper saying that you refused

38:14

hospitalization—there, everything is in order, and that’s it.

38:16

I mean, this is truly an absolutely monstrous

38:18

situation that shows the chaos and

38:20

irresponsibility. No one has been punished.

38:21

What, did someone resign? Did anyone apologize?

38:24

To whom, exactly, is this investigation even accountable?

38:25

Did they jail anyone? But of course it’s unclear

38:27

who could even be jailed for this.

38:28

What do you do about it? Well, this is how it happens.

38:31

And this is just the case that happened to be caught on

38:33

video.

38:33

And there was a female official there, so it became

38:35

a huge scandal. But can you imagine

38:37

how many people are simply discharged, and then

38:39

they die somewhere, and they say, well,

38:40

“cardiovascular failure,” or

38:42

“her kidneys failed,” you know, or there was

38:44

cancer, and so she died of cancer.

38:47

“We have nothing to do with it.” Well, of course.

38:49

It’s just that against the background of the cancer,

38:52

her lungs failed, yes. There are so many different

38:55

questions. Alex asks me—my name is Alexei now,

38:57

There’s a lot of news right now about the purchase of grenades and

38:59

other weapons by the National Guard (Rosgvardiya, Russia’s internal security force).

39:01

Please share your thoughts on this news.

39:02

Well, this whole story was actually dug up by

39:05

a member of our RosPil project team (an anti-corruption project focused on public procurement).

39:07

He really did publish the procurement notice.

39:10

The National Guard is buying them, and it’s actually written there as

39:12

“combat offensive grenades.”

39:15

Some number of units—

39:17

I’m afraid to get it wrong—worth around 70 million rubles (about US$750,000 at current rates).

39:19

So, that means tens of thousands of grenades.

39:22

So why does the National Guard need them?

39:25

Still, the National Guard used to be

39:27

the Internal Troops; they have various kinds of

39:30

weapons. But why grenades? After all, we do have

39:33

an army—a very, very large army—that has

39:36

a great many grenades already.

39:39

It shows their priorities, doesn’t it? They have no money

39:42

for anything—we can’t buy masks for people—but

39:45

grenades, those we absolutely have to buy right now.

39:48

Of course, they’re not going to start tomorrow

39:51

throwing these grenades at you just because you’re

39:53

going to the store, but in general, of course...

39:55

Putin and Zolotov (Viktor Zolotov, head of the National Guard) clearly think

39:58

they really do view the National Guard as

40:01

their own punitive guard,

40:03

needed to suppress the population

40:07

when the population is, quite justifiably,

40:10

driven to the brink—when people are

40:12

already howling in despair. They seem to think

40:17

people have forgotten about General Zolotov. Should we

40:19

be afraid or not? Well, they should be afraid of grenades,

40:22

so they bought 67 million rubles’ worth,

40:24

and they think: we’ll just bomb everything, no problem.

40:26

That’s really how they think. And again, this is about

40:28

priorities, you see. If

40:32

they—even as was said at the beginning of

40:33

the program, as Pozner said at the start

40:36

of the broadcast—I showed you a clip

40:37

where he says to us:

40:39

“Come on, in this difficult time

40:40

let’s close ranks and support the government.”

40:42

Fine—but then let the government not

40:44

buy grenades right now. If they really, really

40:47

want to buy grenades, let them buy them

40:48

in three months, please. But right now,

40:51

maybe they could buy medical masks and

40:52

hand them out? No, they don’t do that. But

40:55

grenades—those, of course, must be purchased.

40:57

So, Tracy asks me:

41:00

Sberbank has moved on to COVID testing—what do you

41:02

think about that? I’m not sure I understand the question.

41:03

Is Sberbank doing it for everyone who wants it, or for its own

41:06

employees? In any case, when it comes to testing,

41:07

I’m all for it. I believe that right now everyone

41:10

should be doing a great deal of testing.

41:13

It’s the most important strategy, and so far

41:15

our state still hasn’t properly declared it as such.

41:17

It needs to be done. There are a lot of questions and

41:20

complaints.

41:20

In connection with my livestream yesterday, let me

41:23

explain myself.

41:24

Ninety thousand people are watching us live right now.

41:26

You can see the button here that says

41:29

“Become a sponsor,” a friend of our channel, and

41:31

you can subscribe and support us with

41:34

the money this all runs on. Yesterday I

41:35

did a kind of closed livestream that

41:38

at its peak was watched by 320 people, and overall

41:41

about 2,000 people can watch it.

41:44

And this livestream could be watched by

41:45

sponsors at levels 2, 3, and 4. I saw a lot of

41:49

comments like, “Alexei, have you

41:51

completely lost it? What do you mean

41:53

by ‘elite Navalny news,’

41:56

an ‘elite livestream’? I’m subscribed, I

42:00

share links, I’m fully committed,

42:02

I volunteer, but I can’t give money,”

42:04

“and now there are some special broadcasts for the privileged?”

42:06

Guys, it’s very simple.

42:11

Do you want me to do

42:13

advertising collaborations or

42:15

some other things? This is a big

42:18

YouTube channel. Our main YouTube channel

42:19

with videos is even bigger. We could make a lot

42:22

of money if I came on here and said,

42:24

‘Putin is a scoundrel, and by the way,’

42:26

‘this program is brought to you

42:29

in partnership with Rosneft,’

42:31

‘please use Rosneft gas stations.’

42:33

We do not do advertising, and you

42:37

can be absolutely sure that

42:40

I never take a single kopek from anyone.

42:43

No donations of any kind, whether

42:44

sponsorships or anything else, and we do not

42:47

take money from anyone. We are not dependent on anyone.

42:49

But this is, in a way, a kind of

42:53

compromise, and the understanding is this:

42:55

we say that we will not take anything from anyone,

42:56

we will just do our job well,

42:58

but then, well, give us something

43:00

so that we can buy cameras and pay

43:04

salaries to people and rent an office. That is why

43:07

we have these subscriptions, and within

43:09

the subscription model I will do private

43:12

streams, not very often, and these

43:14

private streams

43:17

are not, you know, some place where

43:19

I will supposedly make some kind of news there

43:21

or produce more interesting news

43:24

or share insider information.

43:25

The only “inside scoop” there was

43:30

that I explained how I

43:32

was recording and showed a short video

43:34

of myself recording under a blanket

43:35

at home, making a segment for a video, for, for

43:40

the little ones that we will discuss today. So

43:42

it is more of a conversation with those who are

43:47

so invested in promoting our

43:49

channel that they subscribed, and it is very important for us

43:51

to get some feedback from you. Well,

43:54

it is hard to gather feedback from hundreds of thousands of people,

43:56

so this is more like a group

43:59

of people discussing how to further

44:01

develop YouTube, how to further develop

44:03

the channel. I answer questions there, and this

44:06

really is, I mean, something we want

44:08

to do as a nice thing for everyone. We work for everyone,

44:11

but people also support us

44:13

financially, and we want to do something

44:14

extra nice for them. There are many

44:17

tools for this in the West; over there

44:19

politicians raise money by

44:22

having dinner with someone. For us, that sounds

44:24

a bit strange, you know, that you can buy a dinner with

44:26

Navalny (Alexei Navalny, Russian opposition politician).

44:27

But we really did seriously consider

44:29

something like that, and probably still are considering it.

44:31

If money is needed, we will probably

44:33

do things like that — send postcards, some kind of

44:37

I do not know, and little ducks float across the screen here,

44:39

so there will probably be some way to get

44:40

more ducks. These are just tokens of attention. We do not have any

44:43

exclusive information,

44:45

though of course it is very important for us to additionally

44:48

talk with people who have

44:50

a somewhat higher level of involvement.

44:53

But please do not worry about

44:56

the idea that I somehow have

44:59

news for the rich and news for those

45:04

who do not pay. When it comes to

45:06

politics, everything here is absolutely the same for everyone.

45:08

The only division is in the

45:10

organizational side: some people are more

45:12

immersed and involved, while others are less

45:14

immersed and involved. But that is normal; that is how it

45:16

will be. Returning to the point: 91,000 people are

45:20

watching Kafer.

45:22

As for the idea that we supposedly have no right

45:26

to criticize our state and that we must

45:28

rally together — this is now being implemented in a rather

45:31

interesting way, probably.

45:33

The loudest case that happened over the

45:35

past week involved a footballer.

45:37

I do not think they will be happy to hear

45:38

this at the Samara football club, the club

45:40

Krylia Sovetov ("Wings of the Soviets," a Russian football club).

45:41

But their goalkeeper, Yevgeny Frolov, he is

45:45

a decent guy. He gave an interview, and in

45:47

that interview he said things that, I think,

45:50

the whole country is saying right now — basically,

45:53

what our government is doing,

45:55

is it helping anyone? No, it is helping no one.

45:57

It is not helping. In general,

45:58

it was a harmless interview. He did not say that

46:00

Putin is a thief, he did not say that

46:02

Sechin (Igor Sechin, head of Rosneft) should be hanged, and he did not say that they all

46:05

should be arrested. He simply said

46:07

the most obvious things,

46:11

the things that are on everyone’s mind. Let us

46:13

listen. One minute and five seconds: “There is no

46:16

coronavirus for them.

46:20

They are making us stay at home, while there is absolutely no

46:26

help from the state at all, and

46:29

on top of that they are fining all of us for it. They do not care about the people.

46:32

They need us like serfs, like a labor

46:36

force — serfdom, call it whatever you want,”

46:42

not “Christian law.”

46:45

To clarify: serfdom. “The authorities simply do not give a damn about you,

46:48

they will just brush you off and say, ‘Guys,

46:53

there is no money, but hang in there’ (a well-known phrase associated with former Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev). They have money for everything

46:55

for themselves; for ordinary people there is

46:59

nothing. Look at the rest of the world — America,

47:03

Europe — many, many countries are really

47:07

helping their citizens, helping them

47:10

financially. Here in Russia, none of that exists.

47:13

What the president says on television

47:15

is all empty talk. There are no real

47:19

actions at all.”

47:22

And where is he wrong? Where is even a single word of falsehood here?

47:26

It is the truth: they are giving us absolutely no money.

47:28

It is all very strange — serfdom,

47:31

really. For them there is no coronavirus;

47:33

they run around here and there, and whatever rules

47:36

of self-isolation they are not following. They are giving us nothing.

47:39

He said it exactly as it is.

47:42

Right now, together with him, tens of

47:45

millions of people are saying the same thing along with Yevgeny Frolov.

47:47

So his club watched

47:51

this video, or someone watched it and

47:53

snitched on him, came and said:

47:57

can you imagine, he went out there and

47:59

said that our government

48:02

is doing nothing, and that President Putin

48:04

is speaking empty words.

48:05

And they did not even hesitate — they have now announced

48:09

that they are outraged. The club’s management

48:12

declared its disagreement with the athlete

48:15

and highly praised the support from the

48:18

country’s leadership, and said that he

48:21

would be punished. Punished for what?

48:23

testimony, I mean, you can see it right here

48:25

how cunningly and, I would say, how quickly

48:29

this censorship tool works in general.

48:32

This is absolutely illegal, and yet they

48:35

are publicly saying that they will commit, with regard to

48:38

our goalkeeper, something absolutely

48:40

illegal that they have no right

48:42

to do under any circumstances, because he

48:44

simply expressed his rather

48:47

neutral political opinion, and they will

48:49

punish him because they want to curry favor.

48:51

And all of this is being said with some kind of

48:53

official, state-like air, with all these

48:55

regalia, and of course, what did I do?

48:57

I immediately went to look up who

48:59

owns Krylia Sovetov (a Russian football club; literally "Wings of the Soviets"). Of course,

49:02

it belongs to the region.

49:04

It belongs to the oblast (regional government), and it is run by it.

49:07

This club was allocated money from the budget, and from

49:10

the overall federal budget, it receives

49:11

1.6 billion rubles a year, while 1.3 billion rubles are provided by the region.

49:16

That is, this club gets up to 80

49:17

percent of its funding from the people—

49:21

from the budget. In other words, from the very people whom

49:24

the goalkeeper Frolov was, in fact, standing up for.

49:26

And from those people

49:29

they first collected 2 billion rubles,

49:31

and then

49:33

gave it to this club, and now the management

49:35

is punishing a guy who said just two

49:39

words. And what's more, I immediately

49:40

looked into it. Fine, the goalkeeper—but the Accounts Chamber

49:45

audited this club's budget and

49:48

said that the club's low level of achievement

49:50

and its instability indicate

49:53

the inefficiency of budget investments in

49:56

the club's development.

49:57

That's from the Accounts Chamber report. So

50:00

the official picture looks like this:

50:03

there are talentless crooks from the

50:06

regional government of Samara Oblast (a federal region in Russia)

50:08

who received billions and are doing a very

50:11

poor job of managing them,

50:13

and on top of that they go after their own goalkeeper and punish

50:17

him. In other words, these people are basically—

50:20

the Accounts Chamber says that they

50:23

are making ineffective budget

50:25

investments—they ought to be hiding under

50:28

the bed and keeping quiet, because the Accounts Chamber

50:31

already nailed them on this. But no, they

50:33

have to crawl out of their own hole

50:35

and punish their goalkeeper. And of course, once

50:37

these first crooks crawled out,

50:39

then, from somewhere in the depths of United Russia (the ruling political party),

50:42

there emerged the very embodiment of

50:47

United Russia in power, in all its

50:51

stupidity, all its idiocy, all this

50:54

mockery of the Russian

50:56

parliament—and that is, of course,

50:57

State Duma deputy Nikolai

51:00

Valuev. He is the man who writes

51:03

our laws. So this deputy came out and

51:06

uttered, in a tone of great dignity,

51:10

the following phrase: "Maybe Frolov wanted

51:13

to cite other countries as examples where they don't do things

51:14

like this. But in what sunny country of

51:16

Lumumba—damn it—do they not act this way?

51:19

Then he shouldn't go off to Lumumba and live

51:22

a free life there.

51:23

"To eat at breakneck speed and not pay...

51:25

Let him find some country that's so free

51:27

in every respect and go live there,

51:29

wherever and however he wants." You see? So now

51:32

Nikolai Valuev is going to tell everyone

51:35

how we should live. Why—

51:38

why should Frolov

51:40

have to go off to "Lumumba"?

51:41

What's more, first he has to pay the salaries

51:44

of Valuev and his colleagues,

51:46

who are simply complete idiots and thieves.

51:49

First we have to pay all of them, we

51:51

have to keep funding this club inefficiently,

51:54

and then Nikolai Valuev comes along and says,

51:56

"Go off to Lumumba if you don't like

51:59

something here." What Lumumba? We already

52:01

live in "Lumumba" because of Nikolai Valuev and

52:04

this United Russia—they have turned our

52:07

country into a Third World country where there is no

52:09

rule of law, where people in power are just empty

52:12

words, as Frolov said, where people sit in office

52:15

who don't know how to do anything. That is

52:17

the real giant "Lumumba."

52:19

It is, in fact, pretending that

52:21

it isn't. Damn it, good Lord, I studied at

52:23

Patrice Lumumba University (the former Soviet name for RUDN University), and separately I should say

52:26

this is rather offensive, and he was actually quite a

52:29

cool guy, by the way. I mean,

52:31

but for Valuev—he understands

52:33

nothing—so for him

52:35

"Lumumba" is this kind of

52:37

insulting epithet. We are dealing with

52:39

a kind of "Lumumba" that has disguised itself

52:41

as a supposedly very great country,

52:43

because of course here we have

52:45

held a parade, we will hold a parade, we

52:48

handed out ribbons, we're very great—go off

52:50

to another country. But those other countries

52:53

are places like Germany, which

52:56

is paying money; the United States, which is paying

52:58

$1,200 to each person right now;

53:01

the United Kingdom; Japan, which is paying

53:03

money; South Korea, which did an excellent job

53:06

of beating the coronavirus epidemic—those are

53:09

not any kind of "Lumumba." We are the ones living in "Lumumba," but apparently we

53:12

are supposed, you understand, to give way to people like

53:14

Nikolai Valuev.

53:15

Smart Voting—how did we elect him?

53:18

Why should he be a deputy? That is

53:21

the task for everyone, plain and simple:

53:22

to make sure that this very stupid man, who

53:27

cannot be a deputy, who

53:29

understands absolutely nothing—he may have been

53:31

some great boxer, fine, great,

53:34

let him be a boxer, excellent, Nikolai Valuev,

53:36

we'll give you another medal, and maybe

53:38

10 or 30 more medals,

53:40

you were great—but what are you doing in the

53:42

State Duma if you can't even

53:44

To speak, not to write, not to think—why there?

53:48

to be located, but is located, and the whole team is all on

53:51

minutes

53:51

So, within the framework of Smart Voting,

53:53

we have to push him out of there; he shouldn’t be there

53:55

He shouldn’t be there, and so it will be

53:58

very frustrating. What can you do—he’ll run in the

54:00

single-member district, and again they’ll

54:02

of course clear the field, remove all

54:04

the competitors, and push him through again, and he’ll

54:07

just sit there like this, looking on

54:09

I really don’t understand what’s going on, but once

54:11

a year he spouts some nonsense about how

54:13

if someone doesn’t like that I’m sitting here

54:15

sitting here

54:15

then go from here to Lumumba (a reference to Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow), because they

54:17

supposedly have support. They have no support

54:19

at all. They have nothing except

54:21

the falsification of these elections. It’s very

54:23

important. Let me take a couple of questions.

54:27

to your mister chit in both of your

54:30

sir—this is, this is, this is a person’s name

54:32

to your mister... anyway, a question about

54:36

Vladimir Solovyov—will he be allowed tomorrow

54:38

to leave the country, because

54:39

departure is being allowed for all holders of residence permits, and we

54:42

will miss Vladimir Solovyov

54:43

Indeed, the government has adopted

54:45

a decision under which it now allows

54:47

people to leave Russia if they have a residence

54:49

permit. Vladimir Solovyov, as well as his whole

54:51

family, as is well known, hold

54:53

residence permits in Italy, and they

54:55

really can go there now; everything is already

54:57

fine there now, better, easier

54:59

He can get off our backs and head to Lake Como, and from there

55:02

they’ll lecture us again from there

55:04

telling us that we should

55:07

go to Lumumba (Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow). Generation of the ’90s asks:

55:11

Please comment on the mosaic with Putin and

55:13

other “saints” in the Armed Forces Cathedral

55:15

By the way, that cathedral was built where

55:18

I spent most of my life, in that

55:19

military settlement, the village of Kalininets

55:21

though everywhere they call it Alabino there

55:23

They built that Patriot Park nearby on the

55:26

training ground, and this structure is of gigantic

55:29

proportions—a cathedral, and in a place where

55:32

no one is going to go. People wrote to me

55:34

several times, and believers there

55:37

came up to me and said, “Alexei, you just

55:39

don’t understand the problem with this cathedral. Actually,

55:42

the Russian Orthodox Church seems rich, but

55:45

at the grassroots level, people live very

55:47

poorly because there’s never enough money for anyone

55:49

ever. And the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, for example,

55:51

is a huge structure; it devours enormous

55:54

budgets, and is basically maintained

55:55

by the city, but nevertheless

55:58

huge sums go into its upkeep, and there in

56:00

Alabino they built—you just can’t imagine what

56:02

what kind of

56:03

scale of structure. And in a place where

56:06

there are no parishioners—there are no parishioners there, no

56:10

communities. You can hold some kind of

56:12

ceremonial events there, probably herd in

56:13

soldiers so they can pretend that

56:15

they’re praying. But in itself, what

56:18

is happening is the height of idiocy, and

56:20

of course those mosaics with Putin, Spo

56:23

lonsky, whoever else—well, what is there

56:25

to comment on? These people, they’re

56:28

building a little cult of personality

56:30

They sat down and commissioned all of this because

56:32

they wanted to immortalize themselves for the ages. I don’t

56:35

think they’ll succeed, but that is

56:37

exactly what they were aiming for. Like, here we are

56:39

with our mugs here—this is God’s

56:41

temple

56:42

Probably even a different government

56:43

would be embarrassed to chip us out of there. No,

56:46

it won’t be embarrassed—someday, believe me,

56:48

a different government, of course. But then this

56:50

this is simply, truly

56:51

blasphemy and mockery of God’s

56:54

temple. Dmitry Ushakov asks:

56:57

There’s enough material for one program a week

56:59

and it’s becoming a lot—maybe it’s time

57:00

to go on air twice a week? You wouldn’t

57:02

manage twice a week

57:04

It would be hard for me, yes. The thing is that

57:06

there really is so much

57:08

happening. I’ve already been live for an hour now

57:11

and the script has only gotten through about

57:13

one third. If we do it twice a

57:17

week—well, twice a week

57:18

it’ll come out to two and a half hours each. Well, I

57:20

actually have thought about it, but

57:25

in the end I thought that probably twice a

57:28

week would be too much. I’m being

57:30

told that we already have 6,000

57:32

sponsors—that is, six thousand people

57:33

who clicked the button and

57:35

joined us and became the people

57:38

who, well, support our channel

57:40

to a greater extent. I urge everyone

57:42

to click those buttons, including so that later

57:44

you can watch my

57:45

streams, Sobol’s streams, and everyone else’s, where

57:48

we just sort of keep discussing things further

57:49

and develop the channel. A lot of questions are about

57:53

a strange news story, a strange story

57:56

that came out of Ust-Kut, where supposedly

57:59

at first they wrote that local residents, some men,

58:01

caught and beat up officials who

58:03

wanted to set the forest on fire

58:04

This is probably exactly that

58:06

rare case where some

58:08

news happened and, honestly, I still

58:10

don’t understand what happened. I mean, I’ll

58:12

tell you about it, but I don’t have

58:15

any clear opinion because

58:17

the whole thing looks rather strange. At first

58:20

they said that some men caught and beat up

58:22

officials who wanted to set the forest on fire

58:24

then they said that one of the officials

58:27

caught and beat up the other officials

58:29

who allegedly wanted to set the forest on fire, and then

58:32

They say the mayor of Ust-Kut caught

58:37

some other people from his own city administration and

58:40

beat them up on his own territory because

58:43

they were allegedly trying to set the forest on fire. Let's

58:45

watch the video, 53 seconds.

58:51

Here are three canisters of gasoline too, yes, I believe that.

59:11

So, on April 28, at around five o'clock

59:16

in the evening, a boat arrived at the agricultural lands

59:20

at Kamni and they tried to set fire not to the forest nearby

59:25

Yekaterina Anisimova, all together

59:28

a handsome guy from Kyiv was there too

59:39

they were caught red-handed.

59:42

All of this sounds strange and

59:45

well, I mean, the first version of the story is

59:47

that some guys caught them and beat them up,

59:51

while they were trying to set the forest on fire.

59:53

That seemed understandable, because back in 2010,

59:57

if I remember correctly, forests were burning across

59:59

the whole country.

1:00:00

That was when the well-known incident happened with

1:00:03

State Duma deputy Burmatov,

1:00:06

who was a representative of the youth wing

1:00:08

of United Russia (the ruling political party), and he was caught because

1:00:10

they would go out somewhere as volunteers

1:00:12

supposedly to put out forest fires, but they were actually looking for

1:00:15

a real fire—they wanted one badly enough.

1:00:16

So they would drive up, set the forest on fire, then supposedly

1:00:20

take photos of themselves putting it out, and

1:00:22

leave. They were caught doing that and exposed.

1:00:25

It was a big scandal. Burmatov

1:00:27

basically disappeared somewhere for several years,

1:00:29

hid under the bed, and now he's crawled back out again

1:00:31

and is giving a lot of comments.

1:00:34

He's a typical United Russia man, but still

1:00:36

old-timers remember that, so at first I

1:00:38

thought this was the same kind of story. Then

1:00:40

it turned out they were all officials there.

1:00:41

So as for what happened in Ust-Kut,

1:00:43

I'm flooded with questions. The answer is: I don't know what

1:00:47

happened there. Some kind of

1:00:48

very strange story took place. Maybe

1:00:50

local residents listening can shed some light on it.

1:00:52

I see a question from Vlad Dolnikov.

1:00:54

It's signed right there, Dolnikov. He's asking me

1:00:56

a question in this vein: Alexei,

1:00:59

do you get a pass for trips to the

1:01:01

dacha and for going out onto the street in general?

1:01:03

Why is it a loaded question? Because Vlad

1:01:05

is a very good person who helps us

1:01:08

a lot all the time. He's in IT, and

1:01:10

he also has a fairly large Telegram channel,

1:01:13

and he's a principled opponent of these

1:01:15

passes and urges people not to use them

1:01:17

because they're not legal. I also

1:01:18

think this is illegal. Today, a big

1:01:21

comment on this was given by our head of legal,

1:01:24

the former head of the legal department,

1:01:25

our lawyer Ivan Zhdanov.

1:01:27

He explains there why all these

1:01:29

penalties for

1:01:31

[music]

1:01:33

for the fact that, say, you go outside and

1:01:35

the police stop you somewhere—are absolutely

1:01:37

illegal. All these police reports are illegal.

1:01:38

But I can say this: I traveled a couple of days

1:01:42

ago, and I did get a pass, because, well, in

1:01:47

my situation, it's just that I

1:01:49

am under a certain level of monitoring,

1:01:51

so if I don't get a pass,

1:01:53

then basically I just won't be able to get anywhere.

1:01:56

I absolutely consider all of this illegal. I

1:02:00

absolutely think this is a gigantic,

1:02:02

meaningless scam

1:02:04

by the Moscow city government.

1:02:05

But still, I can't unequivocally tell everyone,

1:02:08

guys, don't get a pass,

1:02:11

fight with the cops when they stop you.

1:02:14

I can't say that to everyone, because

1:02:15

in the end, the person will get fined. This is exactly

1:02:19

the kind of situation in which

1:02:20

some of us

1:02:23

are forced to comply with certain

1:02:25

illegal, humiliating rules, well,

1:02:29

because they are forced to—say,

1:02:31

because they simply need to go somewhere,

1:02:32

so I got a pass. But I

1:02:34

completely share Vladislav's opinion

1:02:36

that this is absolutely not

1:02:39

legal.

1:02:41

Spooky Vans writes: Alexei, if this stream

1:02:43

lasts less than two and a half hours,

1:02:44

we'll organize a DoS attack. No need

1:02:46

to organize one, because judging by

1:02:49

it, this stream won't be very short either.

1:02:52

Excellent question. Ksenia Kuznetsova: Alexei,

1:02:55

hello. Russia has allocated 10

1:02:56

million to fight locusts in Africa.

1:02:58

How would you comment on that?

1:03:00

There really was news about this, which of course

1:03:02

infuriated everyone, because the United Nations

1:03:04

through its Twitter account

1:03:06

cheerfully announced that Russia

1:03:07

had joined the global initiative

1:03:10

to fight locusts in Africa and had allocated 10

1:03:13

million dollars, and of course everyone was

1:03:15

furious.

1:03:16

They're allocating money to Africa, but not to us.

1:03:18

The thing is, of course money should be allocated,

1:03:21

because it's a major problem in Africa,

1:03:23

and not only in Africa—with global

1:03:25

warming, we could end up with

1:03:27

the same problem too, so this is something

1:03:29

that needs to be addressed. But the outrage is understandable, because

1:03:31

sure, 10 million dollars for Africa

1:03:34

is not a lot of money for a useful cause, but

1:03:37

then give something to your own citizens too.

1:03:38

That's exactly the point. The whole thing is that 10

1:03:41

million is a laughably small amount for the

1:03:45

state, but at the same time it's important money—

1:03:47

for an entire city, even several cities,

1:03:49

you could distribute masks for free

1:03:51

and buy a huge number of ventilators

1:03:54

with that money. But it wouldn't even occur to us

1:03:55

to compare these things if they were actually

1:03:58

helping their own citizens

1:04:00

and spending money on them. So

1:04:02

overall, I think those 10 million dollars should have been spent on

1:04:05

something useful at home.

1:04:07

this matters, and it matters for all of humanity, but

1:04:09

in this particular situation, it looks

1:04:11

offensive, because we can’t even

1:04:14

buy something as basic as boots for our hospital staff

1:04:16

for medical workers for a whole month,

1:04:19

for more than a month—almost two months—I’ve been showing you every day

1:04:21

videos of some kind of

1:04:24

ruined, destroyed hospitals, and

1:04:26

here we are sending $10 million somewhere

1:04:27

to help Italy, from the U.S., and everything

1:04:29

else—this is just absolutely

1:04:31

absurd. So sign the Five Steps

1:04:34

petition. You see, it keeps popping up endlessly

1:04:36

right here on the screen, and it will

1:04:37

keep appearing—I just want you

1:04:38

to sign it. There was a question here: my

1:04:42

parents are afraid. They fully support

1:04:46

the Five Steps program, but they’re afraid

1:04:48

to sign it because they’re afraid

1:04:53

It’s striking how badly everyone has been intimidated, if

1:04:57

people are genuinely afraid to put their names

1:05:00

on online petitions because

1:05:02

their surname will appear under some kind of

1:05:04

anti-government text. That’s

1:05:06

of course quite a remarkable shift in our

1:05:10

collective mindset, because, my God,

1:05:11

it’s such a harmless thing—not going to a rally,

1:05:13

just signing a petition online, not

1:05:16

that I’m criticizing anyone—I’m simply talking about

1:05:19

how quickly and how severely

1:05:22

the state is degrading. Every one of us has probably thought

1:05:24

about Stalin-era times (the period of Joseph Stalin’s rule in the USSR),

1:05:28

or about what is happening now

1:05:29

in North Korea, when we see

1:05:31

those wild videos where there’s this

1:05:33

still-alive, current Kim Jong-un, and

1:05:36

before him all the other

1:05:38

rulers, and people run after them, cry,

1:05:40

write things down in little notebooks, and we watch

1:05:41

and laugh, thinking: how did people come to this? But

1:05:44

that’s exactly how. Look how quickly it

1:05:48

happens. It seemed like everything was still

1:05:50

normal not so long ago, and now already

1:05:52

someone gets punished for criticism on the internet,

1:05:54

even the goalkeeper of Krylia Sovetov (a Russian football club) was

1:05:57

penalized, fined for

1:05:58

saying something completely harmless.

1:06:00

These people are being kept in dormitories, and in general

1:06:02

we’re already afraid just to sign a petition

1:06:05

online, and tomorrow we’ll be afraid of something else

1:06:07

too. That’s exactly how it works.

1:06:08

So there’s no need to be afraid. Explain to your parents

1:06:11

that this is absolutely

1:06:12

safe. Nothing will happen. But the most

1:06:14

important thing is: they’re still politicians,

1:06:17

they’re not monsters who’ll all suddenly start trembling

1:06:20

and fainting—but that’s what happens with us

1:06:22

all the time, you understand. This

1:06:24

entire government is really just a tiny

1:06:25

cockroach; tomorrow nothing will be left of it.

1:06:28

They will do whatever we

1:06:29

say, if we truly

1:06:32

demand it. Realize your own power. And yes,

1:06:34

they won’t literally tremble and faint—well, specifically

1:06:37

not the people watching these broadcasts, but the whole country

1:06:40

as a whole, yes. And that is our

1:06:42

biggest problem. Still, we can see

1:06:45

how the rhetoric is changing radically. The protest

1:06:47

in Yakutia (a republic in Russia’s Far East) that took place this

1:06:50

week was very telling. I think

1:06:53

whether to show you this video or not

1:06:54

—it’s 1 minute 40 seconds long, and it contains a lot of

1:06:56

profanity. We tried to

1:06:58

bleep it out, because otherwise we would have had to bleep half

1:07:01

the video. But it’s simply an excellent example of how

1:07:04

things have changed at these regional

1:07:07

protests. The rhetoric there—at the Kondinskoye

1:07:10

field, I think it belongs to Gazprom,

1:07:12

it’s an oil field, and there are

1:07:15

a lot of shift workers there.

1:07:16

And it all turned into an outbreak hotspot.

1:07:21

Naturally, there was basically no protective equipment.

1:07:23

People started getting sick; some of them were

1:07:25

taken away, and accordingly everyone was told that

1:07:28

they were under quarantine. And as so often happens,

1:07:31

as it often does in Russia, under

1:07:34

quarantine they were confined, but the living

1:07:36

conditions were bad, they were fed poorly, and these people

1:07:39

had come there to do

1:07:41

very hard work for very good

1:07:43

pay, obviously, and they want

1:07:45

to be fed properly. But the authorities do not

1:07:47

degrade in parts—they degrade all at once.

1:07:52

It’s systemic. Even all these state

1:07:54

corporations understand that

1:07:55

since the people have no rights and you’re the powerful one,

1:07:57

the state can do whatever

1:07:59

it wants, and a state company can also do

1:08:01

more or less whatever it wants, including

1:08:03

in particular

1:08:04

not feeding its workers properly. Then there was a protest.

1:08:06

And if earlier protests of this kind

1:08:08

used to be, you know, in the format of

1:08:11

well, not exactly ‘let’s get down on our

1:08:13

knees before Vladimir Putin’—although

1:08:15

there was some of that too—but they

1:08:18

were more like: let’s

1:08:20

appeal to the authorities, let’s

1:08:23

call on them somehow, and they would appeal: Vladimir

1:08:25

Vladimirovich (Putin’s patronymic), but here the rhetoric was completely

1:08:27

different. Let’s listen to this 40-

1:08:41

They herded us all together

1:08:44

with all kinds of infected people, didn’t they?

1:08:47

[music]

1:08:55

[applause]

1:09:00

[music]

1:09:45

[applause]

1:09:47

[laughter]

1:09:52

with you.

1:09:53

There are 10,000 people working there, and a huge

1:09:57

number are infected. Everyone there has now

1:09:58

been tested, but the results of those tests

1:10:01

still aren’t available.

1:10:01

And all of this is continuing, and that’s why it is

1:10:04

important.

1:10:04

Although it’s a rather strange video recording:

1:10:07

Gazprom workers just ran around swearing at the bosses,

1:10:08

and people applauded—well, it’s clear that

1:10:11

They were talking about these... and about how they...

1:10:13

They were talking about this government, and somehow...

1:10:15

In a word, they were reacting sharply even to the word “president,” well...

1:10:18

even...

1:10:19

They can’t even pay them properly, and neither can they pay us...

1:10:22

Oil workers on shift duty—good Lord—they have always...

1:10:24

been paid huge sums, and even there they can’t...

1:10:26

they can’t even pay properly, I mean...

1:10:28

organize some kind of system. This is not...

1:10:31

I don’t know—some kind of separate isolation there, or...

1:10:33

something like that. Nothing is happening, and this...

1:10:35

conflict is escalating. Today I saw...

1:10:37

a video showing that they had already blocked the roads and were not...

1:10:39

letting vehicles through to the work site. Let’s...

1:10:40

watch 22 seconds. “We’re striking over pay, we...”},{

1:10:44

are on strike, we’ve blocked the roads, they’re not letting...

1:10:46

our people...

1:10:50

[music]

1:11:06

I keep saying that things like this...

1:11:09

are extremely important, because when people say...

1:11:11

People often write to me asking, “When will it all begin?”

1:11:14

Guys, it will all start with strikes. Everything...

1:11:16

will start with strikes. It will all start with...

1:11:17

trade unions, when people like this at these...

1:11:20

oil and gas fields—when they finally come out and...

1:11:22

block things off—what are you going to do to them then? Well, let...

1:11:24

them try. What can you do? Now they’ll start...

1:11:25

stalling / stringing people along...

1:11:26

They’ll probably open a criminal case against someone...

1:11:28

but overall that will not solve the problem, it won’t...

1:11:32

solve anything. And when people start coming out...

1:11:34

and production stops, then...

1:11:37

this regime will start falling apart piece by piece. And it is very...

1:11:40

important to support people like this at these...

1:11:42

work sites, because, well, if...

1:11:44

I’ll repeat: if those who sit on top of the oil wealth...

1:11:49

in the richest company cannot...

1:11:52

whatever they’re shouting about there—tape or whatever—can’t even provide...

1:11:54

decent food and cannot provide them with...

1:11:56

proper testing conditions, then what should...

1:12:00

everyone else expect? By the way...

1:12:02

in Murmansk...

1:12:03

Did you know that in Murmansk, at a specific...

1:12:06

Novatek facility...

1:12:09

since...

1:12:09

Mikhelson has several times been the...

1:12:13

richest man in Russia—a billionaire...

1:12:16

a billionaire among billionaires, really, absolutely...

1:12:18

on a massive scale—and their facility in...

1:12:22

Murmansk Region has now become one...

1:12:24

of the biggest infection clusters there. I think...

1:12:27

it’s 3,200—if I’m giving you the exact figure...

1:12:30

Well, that is, according to official data there...

1:12:32

more than 800 people are infected; in reality...

1:12:35

it’s much more. Let’s take a look. So...

1:12:37

why did the outbreak happen?

1:12:39

Because, as usual, everything was concentrated in one place...

1:12:42

while the cops were running around catching people somewhere else...

1:12:44

and there they were creating huge lines, but...

1:12:47

at the work site there was no such thing as social distancing...

1:12:49

so people were infecting one another...

1:12:51

This is what that queue looked like. Let’s watch 26...

1:12:52

seconds.

1:12:57

[music]

1:13:02

world...

1:13:05

and his speech...

1:13:11

frames...

1:13:16

and here we are, still working...

1:13:20

So, as usual...

1:13:23

they made them stand in lines, and then...

1:13:25

it turned out that hundreds of people there...

1:13:26

were infected. They said, “Okay, hundreds of people...

1:13:29

are infected.” Then the governor...

1:13:31

came out and said, “There will be a quarantine. We are introducing...

1:13:33

a quarantine. Everyone goes home.” Naturally, everyone...

1:13:35

could see that there was no quarantine at all. Here’s a video...

1:13:38

29 seconds long, showing that everyone could calmly...

1:13:40

go into the city of Murmansk or anywhere else...

1:13:42

Let’s watch. Look, a bus has just pulled up...

1:13:48

the bus brought them in. You see, not a single mask...

1:13:50

on anyone. Look how many people there are...

1:13:53

I can’t count them, I don’t even know how many— they...

1:13:56

just keep coming and coming and coming and coming...

1:13:58

So much for self-isolation—the management...

1:14:02

is allowing them to move around like this through the settlement...

1:14:05

They’re simply brought here by bus, and they...

1:14:08

just do this...

1:14:10

stock up on groceries and all sorts of things...

1:14:14

And now there are about a thousand infected there according to...

1:14:17

official data; according to unofficial reports...

1:14:20

in particular, lists were passed to our штаб (campaign office/headquarters)...

1:14:22

by locals who work there, showing nearly...

1:14:25

3,000 infected. But at least according to...

1:14:27

the information coming in, no one really...

1:14:29

knows. No one really knows...

1:14:31

how to deal with this, what to do with...

1:14:33

these workers. And this is Novatek...

1:14:36

whose owner has billions—many...

1:14:41

many billions of dollars, which...

1:14:43

he earned to become one of the very...

1:14:46

richest people—and this is what is happening to his...

1:14:48

workers. So I’m simply...

1:14:50

calling on you, guys, to strike. It’s clear that, well...

1:14:53

it may seem impossible, but it...

1:14:54

is actually easy if you show...

1:14:58

a little persistence, because the whole history...

1:15:01

of strikes—I’ve said this many times—is not...

1:15:04

just the story of the last ten years, but...

1:15:06

20 years—really, the analyzed history...

1:15:07

of strikes over 150 years shows that people always...

1:15:11

achieve their goals. Wherever you...

1:15:13

work, call for strikes...

1:15:15

and strike against any...

1:15:17

injustice. If you show...

1:15:19

some persistence, and your comrades do not...

1:15:22

sell you out in the first five minutes, and you...

1:15:24

manage to agree among yourselves, then you will almost certainly...

1:15:27

win, because there is nothing they can do to you...

1:15:29

they can’t do anything. And now, let me ask...

1:15:32

Dmitry Taratuta.

1:15:32

Alexei, what is your attitude toward the low...

1:15:34

level of trust in Putin—28%, according to some forecasts?

1:15:37

Well, it is obvious that his rating is falling, and...

1:15:40

they’re not giving people money, people are suffering, and so...

1:15:43

now they have this idea—just as Peskov said—that...

1:15:45

in a month and a half we will all forget about this...

1:15:47

and we’ll just go back to...

1:15:49

dealing with whatever difficulties there are...

1:15:50

We had faced difficulties before.

1:15:52

That is exactly what they are counting on—that it will simply

1:15:55

now all the restrictions will be lifted, and they will stop

1:15:57

talking about it, stop recording people

1:16:00

as being sick.

1:16:01

And then, after some time, supposedly

1:16:02

people will muddle through, and everything will settle down.

1:16:05

Their ratings will start going back up. That is very important,

1:16:07

because they have elections in September, and they

1:16:09

do not want you and me to crush them

1:16:10

through Smart Voting. Besides, they also have

1:16:14

that vote on

1:16:15

the Constitution, which they are going to shove down our throats.

1:16:17

And, well, they will simply compensate, as usual,

1:16:20

by making sure there is a very

1:16:21

very strong and very

1:16:23

blatant lie about how everyone supports Putin,

1:16:26

about what a wonderful leader Putin is.

1:16:28

As Posner said again at the very

1:16:31

beginning of our program, everyone who is against it

1:16:33

is supposedly going against the absolute majority. We are

1:16:36

still going to be told that

1:16:38

those who love Putin are the absolute

1:16:40

majority. That is no longer true at all—not

1:16:44

online, not offline. It is simply not

1:16:47

true, and it is very important for you and me to understand that.

1:16:49

That is why pressure through the network is needed.

1:16:52

First of all, there are a great many questions

1:16:54

about what is happening in the courts. Second, it is important simply

1:16:57

to talk about it, because there was a

1:17:00

rally there.

1:17:00

That rally was broken up in a very underhanded

1:17:03

way, and now people there—well, there

1:17:05

are basically three things happening there

1:17:07

that we need to pay attention to. On the one

1:17:08

hand, they are repressing the local

1:17:11

population. As a result, five people received

1:17:12

administrative arrests.

1:17:14

They are already fabricating charges under

1:17:16

the hooliganism statute; two people were detained supposedly for

1:17:18

alleged hooligan actions. In other words,

1:17:20

as usual, several thousand

1:17:23

people came out, and the entire republic supports

1:17:25

them, but everyone is sitting and waiting to see what

1:17:27

will happen next. After that, our authorities and the Investigative

1:17:30

Committee simply arrest random people

1:17:32

just so that, once again,

1:17:34

like a cockroach scaring animals,

1:17:36

the animals will tremble and faint

1:17:39

from fear. They just grabbed several people,

1:17:42

arrested them, dragged them off somewhere, and that was that.

1:17:44

Oh my God, they arrested him, so tomorrow

1:17:46

they will arrest me too—and so everyone stays silent.

1:17:48

Although if everyone demanded it, tomorrow they would

1:17:51

release them all, as we have actually

1:17:53

seen happen several times before, though not with such

1:17:55

targeted repression.

1:17:57

But there is something remarkable there, and

1:18:00

I am always criticizing the police, but there

1:18:03

is a great, honest police officer there who

1:18:06

even spoke out publicly. He said that he

1:18:08

would not take part in beating down his own

1:18:09

people. In other words, he is a decent

1:18:11

guy.

1:18:12

They fired him. What can you do—this is a police force that

1:18:15

what does the police do?

1:18:17

Its purpose is to protect villains from good

1:18:21

people. They fired him. He even recorded a

1:18:24

video address in which he thanked people for

1:18:26

their support. Good for him. So

1:18:30

someone like that should be supported. Let us

1:18:32

watch his address now—it is a minute and a half

1:18:35

long.

1:18:36

Well done, young man. "Greetings to you, kind

1:18:40

people.

1:18:41

I have always believed that in our vast

1:18:43

country there are many kind, responsive, and

1:18:47

compassionate people, and now, from my own

1:18:50

experience, I am convinced of it. I am receiving

1:18:54

a great many messages and

1:18:56

calls asking me to post my bank details

1:18:59

and give sincere

1:19:01

people the opportunity to help me financially. Please do not take

1:19:05

my refusal as rudeness.

1:19:07

I do not see any urgent need for money, and

1:19:10

there are no hopeless situations. If I had

1:19:15

been chasing money, if money had

1:19:17

mattered more to me than anything else, then I

1:19:21

would have stayed on the sidelines and next year

1:19:23

received a housing certificate worth

1:19:25

4 million rubles or more, but

1:19:29

money is nothing—here today, gone tomorrow,

1:19:32

whereas honor and dignity stay with us

1:19:36

always.

1:19:36

And after death, I want to stand before

1:19:41

my ancestors

1:19:42

with my head held high. There is only

1:19:46

one thing I would ask of you:

1:19:48

pray for my family.

1:19:50

That is far more valuable, and my gratitude

1:19:54

will know no bounds. Thank you sincerely,

1:19:58

thank you for your compassion, for your understanding, for

1:20:01

your support."

1:20:05

Well, you see—a decent, honest person.

1:20:08

He worked in the police, and then

1:20:09

he refused. He said, yes, I am not going to disperse

1:20:11

my own people. How could I beat them?

1:20:13

For what? My neighbor is right—am I supposed

1:20:15

to beat him, and have someone drag him away?

1:20:17

He refused. So what, did they destroy him? No, they fired him.

1:20:20

That was his choice. If everyone there had refused,

1:20:23

and written letters, and there had been a collective

1:20:25

appeal, no one would have been fired.

1:20:27

Nothing terrible happened to him, but it means

1:20:29

he was fired alone, and they just crushed him

1:20:31

and devoured him.

1:20:32

On the contrary, everyone loves him. He is a good

1:20:35

person. I hope everything will be

1:20:37

all right for him. In any case, he is a

1:20:39

respected man in the republic. As for those

1:20:41

who carried out the dispersal—they are ashamed, but they sit

1:20:44

at home and tell each other, well,

1:20:46

if it had not been us, they would have found others.

1:20:49

And they come up with a million other justifications

1:20:51

for their own meanness and cowardice. But every one of

1:20:54

them

1:20:55

envies this normal,

1:20:57

free, honest man.

1:20:59

holds its head high, and therefore

1:21:00

Police officers, you do not have to be

1:21:04

enemies of your own people. The authorities turn

1:21:07

you into enemies of your own people, but you do not

1:21:08

have to become them.

1:21:10

And if you stand against this en masse,

1:21:12

then there will be nothing they can do to you,

1:21:15

absolutely nothing. Well, as for the network—

1:21:17

they brought in the Rostov OMON (special riot police), and just as

1:21:19

in Rostov, it should refuse, because

1:21:20

after that they will bring in Ossetian units to Rostov, and

1:21:23

that is exactly how the whole system is arranged. It needs

1:21:25

to be said plainly: but what for, if they are

1:21:27

there smashing something or breaking windows, okay, then we

1:21:29

will disperse them or detain

1:21:31

someone. But if they have simply gathered there,

1:21:34

for some kind of rally—well, they do have the right

1:21:37

to hold it, and they have every right

1:21:40

to hold their peaceful rally. It is obvious

1:21:42

that if people are being shot at that rally,

1:21:44

then we stand there, and we absolutely do not

1:21:46

have to carry out unlawful orders. That is

1:21:48

bound to happen sooner or later, but

1:21:50

I would like it to happen sooner.

1:21:52

Then the third thing that happened in

1:21:54

Ossetia was absolutely

1:21:56

outrageous: the local

1:21:58

Rospotrebnadzor (Russia’s consumer safety watchdog) — just as an example of how

1:22:00

a good person, a good son of his

1:22:04

people—what a disgrace for the Republic of Ossetia,

1:22:06

for all Ossetians. This regional office of

1:22:08

Rospotrebnadzor in North Ossetia

1:22:12

recorded an increase in coronavirus cases

1:22:13

and explained it by saying that there had been

1:22:17

a rally against all these measures,

1:22:19

against the quarantine. Amazing—so that is how you can

1:22:23

explain it. Well, perhaps, perhaps

1:22:25

someone even got infected at that rally, but

1:22:27

then why does Rospotrebnadzor also tell us

1:22:30

at the same time that dozens and hundreds

1:22:33

of similar gatherings that took place in

1:22:37

the metro—let’s watch 29 seconds of how

1:22:39

it looked when they were locking

1:22:42

people in the metro, and they stood there for several tens of

1:22:45

minutes waiting to be let inside. 20

1:22:48

seconds.

1:23:04

electronic

1:23:21

So this—when people are standing somewhere in an

1:23:24

enclosed space, in the view, in the

1:23:26

official view of Rospotrebnadzor,

1:23:27

did not affect the spread of

1:23:30

coronavirus in any way at all. But when

1:23:32

someone went out to protest in Ossetia

1:23:34

in the open air, of course that led to

1:23:36

terrible illness. I mean, it is simply

1:23:38

total, absolute hypocrisy.

1:23:42

Dmitry Kharitonov: Alexei, give us your

1:23:44

comment on the latest film about Yuri

1:23:46

Dud and Dolina. An excellent film, three

1:23:49

hours long—longer than this broadcast. I wanted

1:23:53

to discuss it with you in detail, maybe

1:23:54

in the next broadcast.

1:23:56

But I will not spoil it for those who have not yet

1:23:58

seen it. Watch it—it is a very good

1:23:59

film. There is some kind of critical

1:24:01

discussion there about why it did not show more women,

1:24:03

why there were so few women, but it is a very interesting and

1:24:06

very good film. I watched it with great

1:24:08

interest.

1:24:10

One good acquaintance of mine appears in it.

1:24:12

It is definitely worth discussing, so

1:24:14

thank you for the suggestion to discuss it in

1:24:16

the next program.

1:24:18

Bolee2367 asks whether there is any merch

1:24:21

from Navalny. Well, go to our store in May—

1:24:22

I think it is working now, yes,

1:24:24

and it delivers. Go there—we will put the link in

1:24:26

the description. A few questions about my TikTok:

1:24:29

but why do you need TikTok?

1:24:30

Alexei, please make TikToks. I

1:24:33

do not know why TikTok—well, I just

1:24:35

want, you know, not to fall behind and not

1:24:36

to turn into

1:24:37

that classic kind of person to whom

1:24:39

children bring phones and say, look,

1:24:42

and he is like, what is this, what does

1:24:45

this mean? But now

1:24:49

millions of people use it. I am not sure that

1:24:51

I will be recording much for TikTok,

1:24:54

and I am definitely not sure I will be making

1:24:55

musical videos where you have to do this

1:24:57

and that and show some kind of

1:24:59

responses.

1:25:00

But it is an important means of communication, yes.

1:25:04

TikTok is bigger than YouTube now in terms of

1:25:07

download volume, so who the hell

1:25:09

knows—just in case.

1:25:11

Subscribe; the link is in the description.

1:25:15

Zikot asks me: Alexei, what do

1:25:18

you think will happen if after the May

1:25:20

holidays they lift the self-isolation regime? Will

1:25:22

the number of infections increase?

1:25:23

It looks more like genocide. Well, let us

1:25:26

talk about Putin, who made his

1:25:30

fourth address in this

1:25:32

fourth address.

1:25:34

Basically, in essence, he said

1:25:37

that we have made major breakthroughs in

1:25:38

industry, and that we will extend

1:25:41

this self-isolation, this quarantine, until May 11.

1:25:43

And it very much looks as though, judging by the fact that

1:25:46

everyone has already started saying that we are reaching

1:25:47

a plateau—and a plateau means the number of cases is not growing—

1:25:49

the point is how actively they are

1:25:51

lying about it. It looks like after

1:25:54

the May holidays they will lift the quarantine, I

1:25:59

believe.

1:26:00

And I am not a virology specialist; I

1:26:03

simply listen to smart people who write

1:26:06

about this and who analyze both

1:26:07

our country’s experience and foreign experience. Foreign experience shows

1:26:09

that these quarantine measures are lifted

1:26:11

when there really is a clear plateau,

1:26:13

not when the number of cases is rising.

1:26:16

Here, we can see that, first of all, the number

1:26:18

of cases is growing very sharply; second,

1:26:20

they are clearly concealing the death toll, and they want

1:26:23

to lift these restrictive measures in order to

1:26:26

to defuse public discontent

1:26:28

people are stuck without money, so Putin's

1:26:31

overall concept, as I see it,

1:26:33

is basically this: to hell with it, let them

1:26:36

get sick if they must, and we'll just hide

1:26:39

these statistics

1:26:39

but we'll let them out of their homes and send them

1:26:41

to work, because otherwise they'll tear us apart

1:26:44

that's what they're afraid of, as far as I can tell

1:26:46

that's what's happening here, in this way, and now they

1:26:48

are now saying in the Moscow region

1:26:50

something like, we've reached a plateau, and quite

1:26:53

rightly, the doctors' union points out

1:26:55

yes, they say: show us. There's a tweet,

1:26:57

from Vasilyeva, and she quite rightly

1:26:58

wrote: what plateau are you talking about if in Podolsk

1:27:01

a children's hospital has been converted for all this

1:27:04

every day more and more

1:27:07

hospitals are being opened specifically for

1:27:09

coronavirus—what kind of plateau is that?

1:27:11

That means that according to the real statistics,

1:27:14

the number of cases is rising. In

1:27:16

Yekaterinburg, in the previous

1:27:18

program,

1:27:19

I told you—I was outraged that a hospice there

1:27:21

had been turned over for coronavirus, and now they've

1:27:23

also given over the main maternity hospital. There isn't

1:27:27

anywhere else to handle complicated births there.

1:27:30

There are 128 pregnant women there on

1:27:32

bed rest to preserve their pregnancies, and they're handing it over for

1:27:34

coronavirus. Does that look like a plateau? No,

1:27:36

it doesn't look like a plateau. It looks like

1:27:38

active growth. And just now, literally

1:27:41

before the broadcast,

1:27:42

Moscow's deputy mayor said this strange

1:27:45

phrase. She said: we urge all

1:27:46

Muscovites to stay home or go to

1:27:49

their dacha (country house), literally. And those who can,

1:27:52

if possible, go to your dacha. That's really

1:27:54

sending mixed signals, let's say, and

1:27:56

as for the fact that people will head out en masse

1:27:59

to their dachas,

1:27:59

I don't know, but I think they were simply

1:28:03

trying to hide all this for now. But anyway,

1:28:05

getting back to Putin, let's listen

1:28:07

to this statement of his that everything

1:28:10

is being extended until May 12. 46 seconds.

1:28:13

Putin: On April 2, I signed a decree under which

1:28:18

the days through April 30

1:28:20

inclusive were declared non-working. In

1:28:25

this connection, the following

1:28:27

decisions have now been made. First, we have a series of

1:28:31

major May holidays ahead of us. Between them

1:28:34

are working days: the 6th, 7th, and 8th.

1:28:37

We know that

1:28:40

under normal circumstances many people would not work,

1:28:43

but would take time off or vacation days.

1:28:46

And now, all the more so, we cannot take risks.

1:28:49

Therefore, I consider it right to declare these

1:28:52

three days non-working, with

1:28:56

pay preserved. Thus, taking into account

1:28:58

all the May holidays, the period of non-working

1:29:02

days will last through May 11 inclusive.

1:29:06

See what a scam that is? Like, I'm

1:29:09

announcing—well, you know, we've already spent a month

1:29:13

not working, and now I'm extending it for you

1:29:16

by another three days

1:29:17

but that actually means until May 11, so that's another

1:29:20

month and a half. Just say it plainly:

1:29:23

we are imposing quarantine until mid-May. We've

1:29:26

already been under quarantine for a month, and we need

1:29:28

to stay under it a bit longer. But if you just say

1:29:31

it like it is, everyone will say, good job,

1:29:33

he finally said it straight. But then

1:29:36

you'd have to give people something, you'd have to pay

1:29:38

and they are panic-stricken about doing that. Today

1:29:40

Maxim Mironov, a fairly well-known economist,

1:29:43

published a great article.

1:29:46

He explains a question many people ask:

1:29:49

why don't they want to give out money? Because

1:29:51

that would also be beneficial, and every country

1:29:53

is doing it—only Russia isn't, even though

1:29:56

it has very large reserves. Because

1:29:58

they are really

1:29:59

saving all that enormous money for the oligarchs.

1:30:02

They will hand it out to them, and you'll see—it

1:30:05

will happen very soon. The fall in

1:30:06

oil prices

1:30:07

has already led to 300 million being given recently, and they'll give more.

1:30:09

It's just that all these huge companies where

1:30:13

Putin's cronies are sitting

1:30:14

are carrying out massive investment projects,

1:30:17

and on those projects, Putin himself profits,

1:30:19

personally, as do his family and his

1:30:21

inner circle. And those investment projects have

1:30:23

driven the companies into huge losses

1:30:25

and debt, and they want to cover all of that

1:30:28

with our reserve funds, and

1:30:30

that's why they're spouting all this nonsense.

1:30:33

For me—probably like for you too—but what specifically

1:30:37

really pissed me off, honestly, was that for the fourth time

1:30:39

the man addresses the nation and he was late.

1:30:41

How late was he? Three and a

1:30:43

half hours. Three and a half. Which

1:30:45

raises the question: when the president is addressing

1:30:48

the nation during an epidemic, and you delay it by

1:30:53

three and a half hours—what more important business

1:30:57

could you possibly have? What is it—eating cottage cheese with honey,

1:30:59

swimming in the pool? What's going on?

1:31:03

What's more important—chatting with girls, telling them jokes?

1:31:05

Telling stories at some government meeting?

1:31:08

There cannot be anything more important for the

1:31:10

president of a country

1:31:12

than addressing the nation. Fine, if

1:31:15

there was something super-mega important,

1:31:17

and you absolutely had to swim two more

1:31:19

laps, or I don't know, do something like that,

1:31:22

okay—but how long could that take?

1:31:25

Be 15 minutes late, 20 minutes late,

1:31:27

but on every

1:31:28

single address he was late by more than

1:31:31

an hour.

1:31:32

And this time he was three and a half hours late—what was happening there?

1:31:35

It shows total contempt,

1:31:38

you understand? I mean, just imagine

1:31:41

if I were late to this broadcast by three

1:31:44

hours—you'd think, what is he, an idiot or something?

1:31:48

Is he sick? But I'm the one doing this broadcast here, and you

1:31:51

Watch it voluntarily, I'm running late.

1:31:53

A live broadcast, you say? Well, I probably won't.

1:31:55

watch Navalny anymore, because, well...

1:31:57

If I went on air and didn't explain

1:31:59

where I'd been — like, at the police station for three hours —

1:32:01

that would be understandable. But if I just said, well, so what,

1:32:03

what did you expect, let them wait,

1:32:05

whatever — 94,000 people are watching

1:32:08

live right away, they'll be watching.

1:32:10

You know, I'm just so great.

1:32:11

And I'm telling such great

1:32:13

jokes here on YouTube, and telling

1:32:15

the blunt truth — so it shouldn't make no difference to them.

1:32:17

They've got nowhere to go anyway. So I might think of it that way, or

1:32:20

put it like this, or show it all, and

1:32:22

tomorrow I'll have 4,000

1:32:24

watching live instead of 40,000 or 94,000, and

1:32:28

it's just astonishing that they do this to

1:32:33

the whole country — they seriously

1:32:35

think: whatever. More than that,

1:32:37

quite the opposite.

1:32:38

The idea is that this somehow makes us more valuable,

1:32:41

that people will love us more because of it,

1:32:44

because they'll understand how much

1:32:46

above everyone else we are, how much cooler we are, that we can just

1:32:50

show up for an address to the nation

1:32:52

four hours late. Why?

1:32:54

Fine, if he'd come out and

1:32:58

delivered some kind of amazing address,

1:33:00

like, I don't know, laid out

1:33:03

how we're supporting people, that we have this kind of

1:33:05

medical plan, we've got this, we've got that,

1:33:08

we've really

1:33:09

done everything brilliantly. But he came out and

1:33:11

said, basically, for three days I'm introducing... we, we

1:33:16

produced this many masks, and before we

1:33:19

were producing 60 ventilators, and now

1:33:22

we're producing 600, and we'll

1:33:25

be producing 700. What a

1:33:27

breakthrough, right? The epidemic started in January,

1:33:30

and by February-March it was already clear

1:33:33

to everyone. First of all, we've now

1:33:34

admitted that, it turns out, an entire

1:33:36

huge country with a population of 147

1:33:39

million people wasn't producing any

1:33:40

ventilators at all, and we've finally started

1:33:42

producing them. We had this clip about

1:33:44

the great economic breakthroughs.

1:33:47

Let's watch it. No, we don't have that clip.

1:33:51

They're telling me we don't have that clip with

1:33:54

the great... I mean, who among you watched it?

1:33:56

I mean, no — nothing was said.

1:33:58

Absolutely nothing. And in substance, nothing

1:34:02

that would justify postponing it by

1:34:04

four hours. I saw, I think, on

1:34:07

TikTok.

1:34:08

There was a very funny video on TikTok

1:34:12

that parodied this

1:34:14

address by Putin.

1:34:16

With a man not wearing pants — and it really

1:34:18

perfectly captures all the government's proposals,

1:34:23

because if you just

1:34:24

sit down right now and honestly ask yourself:

1:34:27

what exactly has the government, over these two

1:34:30

months — and Putin over these two months —

1:34:33

during all this quarantine time, what measures

1:34:36

has it proposed and implemented?

1:34:38

And if you sit and think, you'll come up with something like:

1:34:40

none. That we should self-isolate,

1:34:43

that we should do this ourselves, do that ourselves,

1:34:45

and that's exactly what this video shows.

1:34:47

Let's watch.

1:34:50

Hello everyone, you're watching the news on

1:34:52

Borodaty ("The Bearded One").

1:34:53

Breaking news from the government

1:34:55

of the Russian Federation: a plan has been developed to

1:34:57

combat coronavirus. Healthy people

1:35:00

are advised to isolate themselves; sick people,

1:35:02

to cure themselves; students, to educate themselves;

1:35:05

the unemployed, to provide for themselves; the hungry,

1:35:07

to feed themselves; the dead, to bury themselves. And those who are unhappy are advised to

1:35:10

just

1:35:12

shut themselves up.

1:35:13

That's all the news for today.

1:35:17

That really is exactly

1:35:19

what they offered us: just do everything

1:35:21

yourselves. Just somehow manage it all yourselves.

1:35:23

Figure it out yourselves — but at the same time Putin is

1:35:26

great, and now they really just

1:35:29

despite the fact that, as I already told you,

1:35:31

the United Nations

1:35:33

recognized that we're basically sitting at a

1:35:36

very bad place in terms of preparedness.

1:35:37

We have a complete failure across the board,

1:35:39

absolutely everywhere. I mean, I literally have

1:35:43

a bunch of videos in my script that

1:35:45

show that there is absolutely nothing,

1:35:48

no protective equipment at all. More than that,

1:35:51

right now doctors are being persecuted for

1:35:53

saying that they aren't being given

1:35:55

protective gear. Remember I showed you a woman

1:35:57

from the town of Kalach-on-Don, a doctor

1:36:00

named Tatyana Deryoma.

1:36:02

Her video got a huge number of views

1:36:05

on VKontakte and everywhere else, because

1:36:07

she simply came out and on video

1:36:08

showed that they had absolutely nothing.

1:36:10

What happened next? An inspection followed.

1:36:12

The Investigative Committee came to check

1:36:15

it, and as a result they issued her three

1:36:18

disciplinary

1:36:20

penalties in a row, and now the Investigative Committee is conducting an inquiry there.

1:36:22

Let's listen.

1:36:23

One second — what? We don't have the video?

1:36:30

Sorry, please — the problem with live broadcasting

1:36:32

from home: it's in the script, but in reality

1:36:37

it's not there. All right. So, the doctor who

1:36:41

spoke out — you saw it here, I showed it in my

1:36:44

program — she complained,

1:36:47

and the very next day they immediately sent

1:36:49

an inspection from the local committee,

1:36:50

which is mainly going after her,

1:36:53

because, well, because you can't

1:36:57

admit it — you have to punish someone and prove

1:37:00

that Putin is the greatest. And of course

1:37:02

the head of Bashkortostan (a republic in Russia), Khabirov, spoke in a truly remarkable way.

1:37:05

Khabirov of Bashkiria (Bashkortostan) — yes, that very same Khabirov

1:37:08

who...

1:37:09

in the republic, but simply one of the most

1:37:11

obvious outright failures—a center

1:37:14

of infection, and this is an absolute fool and

1:37:17

a thief sitting there, and he also

1:37:19

a useless thief, usually rolling up his sleeves, sleeves

1:37:22

a high-ranking official

1:37:24

from the Presidential Administration, he

1:37:27

naturally, when there were major scandals

1:37:31

around Ufa, Ufa fins afinskaya

1:37:35

the Republican Hospital, which became

1:37:37

a hotspot of infection, his response was to say that

1:37:39

he was holding the first online summit

1:37:42

Russia–Eurasia, naturally hiring all

1:37:45

the bought-off crooks; Sobchak came to this

1:37:47

summit

1:37:48

to talk with him about what a

1:37:50

wonderful, magnificent Vladimir Putin is

1:37:52

and the man comes out and publicly says

1:37:54

that, actually, you know, here we have

1:37:57

we’re so lucky, we have such a low

1:38:00

fatality rate

1:38:01

it’s thanks to the mobilization of our

1:38:04

institutions around a strong leader

1:38:06

Vladimir Putin. Let’s listen, check this

1:38:09

human society after the pandemic

1:38:11

there will still be a desire for stability

1:38:14

social stability, political

1:38:15

and economic stability, and I dare to suggest

1:38:18

that our country, which is fairly

1:38:22

well organized, has quite successfully

1:38:24

organized the work to prevent the spread

1:38:27

of the pandemic, and by many indicators is

1:38:31

showing very good numbers, for example

1:38:33

the COVID fatality rate

1:38:35

is capable of implementing these measures in many

1:38:39

ways thanks to the fact that we have a very

1:38:42

high degree of efficiency and

1:38:44

manageability, and the fact that we have all

1:38:46

united under the leadership of a very strong

1:38:49

leader, our national leader

1:38:51

the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin—this is

1:38:54

a very serious fact, in my view

1:38:57

that we also need to think about

1:38:59

if there was a Vladimir

1:39:02

Vladimirovich Putin factor, it consisted in the fact

1:39:04

that there is simply a global failure there, in

1:39:06

particular in Bashkiria (Bashkortostan) there is simply a failure

1:39:08

but in reality the hospital became a hotspot

1:39:11

of infection, and they began hiding all of it

1:39:13

they shut the hospital down, the doctors there, how should I put it,

1:39:16

it all started coming out, and the Investigative Committee began

1:39:18

opening criminal cases against those who

1:39:20

were talking about it; there was an appeal there

1:39:22

from half the hospitals in Bashkiria (Bashkortostan) saying there was no

1:39:24

protective equipment, nothing at all, and today these

1:39:28

doctors—already several dozen people there

1:39:32

just imagine, this is Bashkiria (Bashkortostan), where generally

1:39:34

everything is tightly controlled, where traditionally people

1:39:37

are afraid of the authorities, and people, so to speak,

1:39:40

don’t usually show off or push back against the authorities

1:39:42

where the voting level, where

1:39:43

the falsification is always 84 percent—the doctors

1:39:47

of the Republican Hospital recorded a 6-

1:39:49

minute appeal in which they describe

1:39:52

how terrible everything is

1:39:54

one moment, let’s watch a clip from it: Hello,

1:39:59

I am an employee of the Institute of Traumatology and

1:40:02

Orthopedics named after Vreden, and today is the 26th

1:40:05

of April

1:40:08

I am at the institute, in quarantine. Since the 6th

1:40:11

of April, all staff and patients

1:40:14

have been inside the institute

1:40:17

the staff have all already been sick; a large

1:40:20

part of the staff were sent to hospitals

1:40:22

some to Botkin Hospital, some to Hospital No. 40. We are taking

1:40:27

coronavirus tests; I personally have taken them

1:40:30

five times already

1:40:31

not a single result has come back, and I’m sitting here and

1:40:34

I can’t understand whether I’m infected or not

1:40:37

infected

1:40:38

the doctors aren’t examining us because there’s no one

1:40:40

to do it

1:40:41

there is no treatment at all, neither for the staff nor for

1:40:45

the patients, because we are an institute of

1:40:47

traumatology; we don’t have the medicines, we

1:40:50

aren’t being treated with anything—basically, holy water

1:40:53

staff members who already have pneumonia

1:40:56

are being falsely marked and sent through regular sick leave

1:40:59

even though they got sick at the workplace

1:41:03

while in quarantine. Our

1:41:06

management tells us nothing about anything

1:41:10

they say nothing. On the 9th, all of my

1:41:14

management was taken away, that is, the senior

1:41:16

department head, two excellent doctors

1:41:19

and an orderly were taken, and then everything went wrong

1:41:23

please forgive me, this video is

1:41:25

actually a video with mixed-up labels; I’m honestly

1:41:27

confused among the videos of suffering doctors; this

1:41:30

video is not from Ufa

1:41:31

from that Republican Hospital. If

1:41:32

you have that video, please play it for us

1:41:34

if not, well, you can find it for me on

1:41:37

social media

1:41:38

I apologize for the slight mess

1:41:40

well, it’s

1:41:43

of course connected with our, our complicated

1:41:46

situation—I’m working remotely today, but the point is

1:41:48

find the video and watch it, there

1:41:50

for a full 6 minutes doctors are speaking, doctors

1:41:52

from the main Republican Hospital in Ufa

1:41:55

are appealing to the whole world; there are appeals to

1:41:57

the Investigative Committee

1:41:59

the Prosecutor General’s Office, President

1:42:01

Putin, and I don’t know, UNESCO, to everyone—where

1:42:04

they say that everything is monstrous

1:42:06

there is horrific infection across the entire republic

1:42:08

everything is very, very bad, and the head

1:42:10

of the republic at the same time comes out and

1:42:13

feeds everyone nonsense, saying, you know,

1:42:15

everything is so good here, and of course that’s because

1:42:17

of the wonderful role of Vladimir

1:42:21

Vladimirovich Putin, and this is, as it were, their

1:42:25

number one measure now in fighting the coronavirus

1:42:27

virus: to lie about how wonderfully

1:42:29

Putin is doing everything. And measure number two—

1:42:31

well, that is, they kept thinking what else

1:42:33

they could do in order to

1:42:35

show that they are fighting the coronavirus

1:42:36

the virus, but at the same time not paying for anything

1:42:38

paying, and it was obvious visually, I don't

1:42:41

they're now introducing a mask mandate, and as

1:42:43

usually happens here in Russia, you know

1:42:45

at first they were showing and explaining everywhere

1:42:47

that no masks were needed

1:42:49

that all of this was nonsense, and now they are in

1:42:51

a huge number of regions, but here I was

1:42:53

here in the script, when I was preparing

1:42:56

today it mentioned Primorye (a region in Russia's Far East) and it mentioned

1:42:59

Tatarstan (a republic within Russia); by the start of the broadcast, already a large

1:43:02

number of regions, and by this evening we

1:43:04

by evening, the Moscow Region had already announced: everyone

1:43:07

must wear masks; whoever doesn't wear a mask

1:43:10

will be detained by the police. The question is: where

1:43:11

are people supposed to get masks? I mean, we're not even asking

1:43:15

the next question yet: why should we

1:43:18

pay for masks? But even if we're ready

1:43:20

to pay, where do we get them? There are no masks in

1:43:23

pharmacies, no gloves, and none of the other stuff either

1:43:26

there's no sanitizer. I mean, in some places you can

1:43:28

buy them, but most of the time you can't buy decent masks

1:43:30

at all

1:43:31

I'm helping the Doctors' Alliance collect

1:43:34

money, and their main problem is

1:43:36

yes, you donate money, and with that money

1:43:39

they buy protective equipment for doctors

1:43:40

the main problem is that the money exists

1:43:43

but buying proper

1:43:45

personal protective equipment is impossible, even

1:43:48

ordinary masks are unavailable, and now the regions

1:43:50

are introducing all this, and in Primorye (a region in Russia's Far East) they've introduced

1:43:53

it, and local people there are writing to our штаб (campaign office)

1:43:56

there are no masks; in Vladivostok, there are no masks in pharmacies

1:43:59

none. In the Moscow Region and in Tatarstan they've introduced

1:44:01

a mask mandate, and what did they do right away? Not

1:44:04

use Tatarstan's huge budget

1:44:06

to give everyone masks. Not even, like I showed you

1:44:09

here in the video from

1:44:10

the Madrid metro: there were

1:44:13

police officers there, and for everyone coming out they took out

1:44:15

and handed them a mask, and people either went

1:44:19

wearing masks, or put one on, or took one

1:44:21

because you'd need a spare mask too

1:44:22

you need to change it every

1:44:24

three hours. But what is happening

1:44:26

in Tatarstan? Of course, they need to send in

1:44:28

cops who will walk around

1:44:31

the store and catch those who violated the rules

1:44:34

and are walking around without masks. Let's watch

1:44:36

the video for a minute, I hope it's there

1:44:44

our

1:44:48

hours not for recovery, you didn't come in

1:44:54

to break apart

1:44:58

with yourself

1:45:11

why not insert it with lubricant now

1:45:17

you'll have to come with us

1:45:31

[music]

1:45:34

young man

1:45:43

well, here we are again, a month later, and we've

1:45:46

already seen what seemed like idiocy

1:45:49

that couldn't be topped, when people with

1:45:51

dogs out for a walk were being detained. And here

1:45:53

they've introduced a mask mandate, and a cop deliberately

1:45:56

goes into a store

1:45:57

to hunt for someone, even gets in his face

1:46:00

and says something like, "Hey man, you're without a

1:46:02

mask." He says, "Yeah, I'm without a mask," and then

1:46:04

"if you're without a mask, you'll infect

1:46:07

someone" — "Will I infect someone?" — "No, you need to

1:46:09

come with us to the station." For what? So that at the station you can

1:46:12

give him a mask? I'm practically

1:46:17

falling apart here, I'm getting tongue-tied — what is

1:46:19

this for? It's idiocy. A whole bunch of cops, and

1:46:22

one of them is actually running after him, you understand?

1:46:24

The guy is taking off — just give him a mask! You're a wealthy

1:46:28

Tatarstan; if these masks exist, buy them

1:46:31

from the pharmacies and hand them out to people. When I

1:46:34

when all this was just beginning — and

1:46:35

remember, I put out a video about how Moscow

1:46:38

bought masks for 400 million rubles (about US$4.3 million)

1:46:42

I made a video about how they bought them

1:46:43

at an enormous price, inflated several

1:46:46

times over, but still, they bought

1:46:48

millions of masks. Where are those millions of masks?

1:46:52

Why aren't they being handed out for free somewhere?

1:46:54

No, no — you can't buy them for money either, but still

1:46:57

it's the same thing, well, if

1:47:00

if they assume that people now in all

1:47:02

regions are supposed to walk the streets in

1:47:04

masks, under a mask mandate, then that means everything

1:47:07

should be overflowing with the cheapest,

1:47:09

simplest masks — but they don't have them

1:47:12

So now what, we're supposed to make them out of paper

1:47:14

and attach elastic bands?

1:47:16

Meanwhile, a police officer is running around already catching someone, but

1:47:20

this is simply outrageous — it's abuse

1:47:22

of citizens. And then there's this whole

1:47:24

discussion about whether it's necessary to introduce

1:47:26

a state of emergency

1:47:28

Navalny is calling for giving everyone

1:47:30

money and declaring a state of emergency

1:47:32

but they say that's not necessary, because that would mean

1:47:34

there would be police all over the streets — and

1:47:36

what the hell is this now, then? Seriously, here we have

1:47:40

no quarantine, no state of emergency

1:47:43

nothing at all, really

1:47:45

no actual legal framework for any of this

1:47:46

and yet, in reality, cops are running after

1:47:48

people in the street because they aren't wearing masks

1:47:51

and under what law, exactly? I mean

1:47:54

at this point I'm not even discussing

1:47:56

that it contradicts common sense

1:47:57

the detention of these people. The president

1:47:59

of the Republic of Tatarstan

1:48:01

to whom we'll bring at least a clip

1:48:03

of this video — why are you engaging in this idiotic

1:48:05

nonsense? You have the money; this is

1:48:09

not that much money to give everyone, regardless

1:48:12

of the size of the republic's population

1:48:14

Tatarstan, you can afford

1:48:16

to buy these masks and give them to people. If you

1:48:20

can't buy them and hand them out, then say so — say that

1:48:22

we can't buy them because there aren't

1:48:23

enough of them. Then where are people supposed to get them?

1:48:25

If there aren't enough masks, where are they supposed to get them?

1:48:28

If they introduce a mask mandate in Moscow now

1:48:30

there will be a huge number of people, at least in masks, well

1:48:33

Look, in Moscow you’ve got this strict regime in place — where are the masks?

1:48:34

Where are people in the Moscow region supposed to get these masks?

1:48:37

There are 5 million people living there, that’s all.

1:48:40

Summer cottage residents (dacha owners) are asking: where are we supposed to get these masks? There aren’t any.

1:48:44

There are no masks, but they introduced the mask regime and the cops went out.

1:48:46

They started finding people and fining them, that’s what’s happening.

1:48:48

I’ve been saying since the very start of the broadcast: there is no—

1:48:51

there’s no strategy at all, I mean none.

1:48:53

No kind of plan whatsoever, just some kind of—

1:48:55

[ __ ] someone was sitting there saying, let’s do something like this—

1:48:57

something that makes everyone think we’re fighting it.

1:49:00

A mask mandate has been introduced, and then everything will look—

1:49:02

visually right: people walking around in masks, comments saying—

1:49:04

they’ll go around checking: oh, you don’t have a pass?

1:49:07

They don’t just check a little — they check everything.

1:49:08

And that means they think even more needs to be checked.

1:49:10

Your mask — and now come with us to the police station.

1:49:12

This is just the absolute limit, instead of—

1:49:14

instead of grabbing a person without a mask and dragging them to—

1:49:17

the station, driving with them in a police car, taking them into—

1:49:19

the station, when right now a huge number of—

1:49:20

by the way, police officers have been infected, even—

1:49:22

my favorite 2nd Operational Regiment — the very same one

1:49:25

whose officers are always, for example, detaining me.

1:49:27

They keep hauling people in; they’ve got a lot of infections there in the lockup.

1:49:29

There’s a large number of infections there. I saw—

1:49:31

media headlines coming out saying that there were—

1:49:34

dozens of people there, maybe hundreds of people in—

1:49:37

that 2nd regiment. Well, of course — they’re all there in—

1:49:39

the barracks.

1:49:39

In those close quarters, obviously, they—

1:49:41

infected each other, and now everyone’s sick too.

1:49:43

And of course, the thing to do is grab some guy off the street and—

1:49:45

take him to the police station too.

1:49:47

Write up a report saying he isn’t wearing—

1:49:50

a mask. And this is actually happening.

1:49:52

And it’s happening because we, damn it—

1:49:54

even though the whole country is furious— but I—

1:49:57

even judging by these broadcasts of mine, for however long now—

1:49:59

we’ve been on air for almost two hours, and 97,000 people are watching.

1:50:02

I’ve never seen viewership like this for us—

1:50:04

on the channel right now, I mean never.

1:50:06

It’s exploding everywhere, everyone is watching—

1:50:08

trying to find at least some information.

1:50:10

Everyone is outraged, everyone is sitting online.

1:50:12

Everything is boiling over there — well, then it needs to boil over—

1:50:15

against the government. People need to write to it,

1:50:18

to this president of Tatarstan (head of the Republic of Tatarstan), saying:

1:50:20

“Man, damn it, give us masks for free or—”

1:50:23

or else—

1:50:23

otherwise United Russia gets zero votes, zero.

1:50:26

Sure, you’ll falsify the results, obviously, and so on.

1:50:28

But if normally you falsify from—

1:50:31

a real support level of 30 percent—

1:50:33

and then add another 30 percent for United Russia—

1:50:35

another 30 percent — now you’ll be adding from—

1:50:36

from zero, because not a single—

1:50:39

vote until you buy us masks. That’s how it should be demanded.

1:50:41

That’s what people need to demand. They just need to write about it—

1:50:43

write about it everywhere, just say it—

1:50:45

be outraged, persuade your grandmother, and this—

1:50:49

won’t pass completely without a trace, because—

1:50:51

I assure you, the authorities are very, very—

1:50:54

sensitive.

1:50:57

They feel public opinion. Now we’ll move on—

1:51:02

after almost two hours on air — to the—

1:51:07

women’s marathon. It turned out kind of funny for us—

1:51:09

that by the end of the program—

1:51:10

I specifically waited until more—

1:51:13

viewers had gathered online, because I’ve got—

1:51:15

Sobchak, Putin’s “daughter,” Todorenko, Maria—

1:51:19

Zakharova — really interesting topics.

1:51:22

Topics I really want to discuss, actually.

1:51:24

Even Todorenko — it may seem like—

1:51:27

not all that political—

1:51:31

not political events, not the kind of events—

1:51:33

that I usually—

1:51:34

discuss on the program, but they’re very important.

1:51:36

And all of this, basically, happened because—

1:51:39

all these wonderful women—

1:51:41

said some things on the internet.

1:51:43

And it’s very much worth discussing, because—

1:51:45

it reflects the whole country. And we should start—

1:51:50

of course, we should begin with—

1:51:53

Ksenia Sobchak.

1:51:54

who has now become our queen of—

1:51:56

crabs, and that was a very strange piece of news.

1:51:59

Because at first I didn’t pay any attention to it at all.

1:52:01

I mean, some kind of thing where—

1:52:02

pro-Kremlin Telegram channels started—

1:52:04

going after Sobchak because she got mixed up in—

1:52:07

this crab scam. Meaning that—

1:52:08

Sobchak is supposedly this kind of—

1:52:10

schemer and con artist. Well, obviously—

1:52:12

obviously she got involved in something—

1:52:14

someone didn’t share with someone, so now they’re smearing her.

1:52:15

But I decided to take a closer look at the situation.

1:52:18

More closely, because when she appeared—

1:52:21

on the air at Echo of Moscow (independent Russian radio station), she actually—

1:52:24

formulated it really well.

1:52:26

She essentially expressed the opinion and attitude of the entire—

1:52:29

ruling elite, of which she considers herself an important part,

1:52:32

with regard to all of—

1:52:34

our initiative and choice, saying that—

1:52:36

you shouldn’t just hand 20,000 rubles (about US$220) to everyone.

1:52:39

You need to help people selectively, but not—

1:52:42

not just help people across the board; you need to help—

1:52:43

the strong. Because if you simply give everyone—

1:52:46

20,000 or 30,000 rubles (about US$220–330), they’ll just spend it, and that’s it.

1:52:47

It’s pointless. Here’s what she said, more or less:

1:52:49

“It’s easy to say: let’s hand out money to everyone—

1:52:52

20,000 each, or let’s make it 100,000—

1:52:54

let’s just hand it all out. For him, that’s just a way—

1:52:57

you understand, to needle the authorities.

1:53:00

It sounds nice. But it’s not his money, not his—

1:53:03

reserve fund. They won’t be coming to him in—

1:53:06

two years, hungry, saying: ‘So what happened?’

1:53:08

‘Why is our country bankrupt?’”

1:53:11

That’s the basic attitude right there.

1:53:14

“It’s not his money.” But it’s not theirs either, not mine,

1:53:16

not yours — as if it belongs to no one,

1:53:20

and it’s just supposed to sit there because that’s the guarantee.

1:53:22

And if we hand it out to people—

1:53:24

they’ll spend it all on Rotenberg (a wealthy businessman close to the Kremlin) or on—

1:53:27

some other people we’re about to—

1:53:28

talk about, then everything will heat up. We need—

1:53:30

to help the strong. Because if we give it to ordinary people—

1:53:33

we’ll go broke. But if we give it to certain—

1:53:35

to enterprises, state-owned companies, oligarchs, and so on

1:53:38

and about the economy in general, I thought, what a

1:53:42

brazen and cynical statement. I turned my attention

1:53:46

to that whole, so to speak, crab affair

1:53:47

and

1:53:48

and the point there is—I’m not going to spend too long

1:53:50

getting into it—but the crab business in general

1:53:52

is a very criminalized business

1:53:54

because it’s a raw commodity; in fact, it

1:53:57

is essentially no different from oil or

1:53:59

something like that. I mean, crab is just

1:54:01

also a resource. Oil gradually

1:54:04

formed underground, and now some

1:54:06

people say they want to pump it out

1:54:08

and the state says, well, pay us and

1:54:09

go ahead and pump it

1:54:10

and otherwise it’s all ours. Same with crab: the shellfish

1:54:13

was living somewhere under a rock, minding its own business

1:54:17

and this crab, its crab family,

1:54:19

grew and grew and grew, and then

1:54:21

some guys said, okay, we’re going to

1:54:23

catch these crabs and sell them to Japan

1:54:25

but those crabs belong to no one—well, in a way they belong

1:54:28

to themselves, but they’re also ours, because it’s a raw commodity, and we

1:54:31

and the state sells quotas, and some

1:54:34

guys buy those quotas, and they’re very expensive because

1:54:36

everyone is ready to catch these crabs—the Japanese

1:54:38

and our people alike

1:54:39

I mean, it’s a commodity: they catch them and

1:54:41

sell them. So some guys got

1:54:44

a license to catch this crab, then they

1:54:47

fell out with some other guys and

1:54:49

as I understand it, those others also had connections to the authorities, and one side

1:54:51

had the other side jailed. I’m not going to get into

1:54:53

who was right and who was guilty there—they got jailed

1:54:55

their license was suspended, people were arrested, and

1:54:56

the ones who got hurt, well, they

1:55:00

as usual, this gets resolved by slipping money

1:55:03

as bribes to the cops, you pay off these people, you

1:55:05

pay off those people, and then your police, prosecutors, and

1:55:08

investigators start fighting against their

1:55:09

police and prosecutorial machinery, and then

1:55:11

eventually one side beats the other

1:55:13

catches the crab and sells it, while the one who

1:55:15

made the wrong move ends up in jail. So they decided to try

1:55:18

some more exotic option

1:55:20

alongside just paying off the usual people

1:55:21

apparently that didn’t work, so they came to

1:55:26

Sobchak and said, Ksenia Sobchak, come into our

1:55:28

business and sort out our little problems for us, and we’ll

1:55:30

give you a share. And they apparently did, so in this bloody

1:55:33

business they brought her in, and the whole country

1:55:37

learned with surprise that, it turns out, Sobchak

1:55:40

is now our queen of the crab business

1:55:42

There was a segment—I watched a small piece of it

1:55:44

just a little bit, while I was trying to make sense of

1:55:46

this situation—of a broadcast with Vladimir

1:55:48

Solovyov, because Vladimir

1:55:49

Solovyov

1:55:50

was among those brought in for this kind of

1:55:52

PR management of the situation, because

1:55:54

well, everyone connected with that crab business

1:55:56

and Sobchak started getting attacked by pro-Kremlin

1:55:58

Telegram channels, and everyone was asking questions

1:56:01

she clearly understands nothing about it

1:56:02

it’s obviously zero expertise—clearly, the person

1:56:05

was given a stake because she would smooth over

1:56:07

certain issues, because, well, that means she’s

1:56:09

close to the right people. And it turned out, very

1:56:12

comically, that she really did start trying to resolve those issues

1:56:14

because her mother, who sits in the

1:56:16

Federation Council (the upper house of Russia’s parliament) and gets paid by us

1:56:17

a salary—she used to represent

1:56:19

a republic there; now I don’t know, I think

1:56:21

I think it’s still the Republic of Tuva

1:56:23

though I may be mistaken—but she sits in the

1:56:25

Federation Council, and like the whole Federation Council

1:56:27

does nothing except write parliamentary

1:56:29

inquiries. So she started writing very

1:56:31

funny, idiotic inquiries. We even have

1:56:33

a photo proving it: Sobchak’s mother

1:56:35

writes an inquiry to a court, to a judge

1:56:39

saying, “I have been approached

1:56:42

by a constituent, Ksenia

1:56:45

Anatolyevna Sobchak, and Ksenia Anatolyevna

1:56:49

Sobchak reports that someone there has been wronged in the

1:56:53

crab business, so could you please

1:56:55

issue a fair judicial decision

1:56:58

so that, so that, well, my

1:57:02

dear daughter can get lots and lots of money.” The actual

1:57:05

meaning of that inquiry was exactly

1:57:08

that. And then something even funnier

1:57:10

came out:

1:57:12

Vedomosti wrote about it—that’s a media outlet

1:57:14

I’m not especially fond of these days

1:57:16

but this was genuinely a good scoop

1:57:17

they were the only ones who dug it up: she wrote a request

1:57:19

to the government, to the agriculture minister

1:57:22

Patrushev—the son of Patrushev (Nikolai Patrushev, former head of the FSB, Russia’s security service)

1:57:25

—saying that

1:57:28

“please include this

1:57:30

crab enterprise, where my daughter is a shareholder,

1:57:33

in the list”—yes, she wrote a request to put it

1:57:36

on the list of specially designated systemically important

1:57:39

enterprises. Right now the government

1:57:40

is drawing up these lists in order to help very

1:57:43

important enterprises. This enterprise

1:57:45

of course is not that important, but it

1:57:47

was included

1:57:48

well, because that’s how it works. And here

1:57:50

the important point—the most important thing—is that all of this

1:57:54

works like this. For example,

1:57:56

today the government published certain

1:57:59

support measures under which you

1:58:02

will be allocated exactly 0 rubles and 0 kopecks

1:58:04

but an enterprise on these lists of systemically important

1:58:07

supported companies, in particular,

1:58:08

has the right to receive subsidized loans

1:58:11

at 5 percent annual interest. You will never get a loan from

1:58:14

the state or from a bank at 5 percent

1:58:16

annual interest—never. Even

1:58:19

Putin recently announced that subsidized

1:58:22

mortgage loans that citizens

1:58:24

can apply for are at 6

1:58:25

percent annual interest, whereas here enterprises

1:58:28

are being given 5 percent annual interest. You

1:58:29

understand that the difference between the market

1:58:32

rate and this subsidized rate is

1:58:34

You’re the ones paying for it, exactly right.

1:58:37

These are funds from the reserve fund itself,

1:58:38

and that money goes there so that various

1:58:40

businesses—including, right now, this

1:58:43

crab business linked to Sobchak (a reference to Ksenia Sobchak, a Russian public figure)—receive money, and

1:58:46

this, specifically, in the most direct sense,

1:58:48

is corruption. She got a stake in the company—

1:58:52

Masha, does it knock a year off on

1:58:53

loans? This is real money. So you

1:58:56

can go and take out a loan—say you need 100

1:58:58

million rubles (about 1 million USD), you borrow it at 10

1:59:00

percent annual interest.

1:59:01

But if they put you on the list, you borrow at

1:59:03

5 percent annual interest—real, actual

1:59:05

cash. And so, you see what the situation is?

1:59:09

It’s simply truly disgusting

1:59:13

that a person is simultaneously engaged in

1:59:17

making sure that you,

1:59:19

me, and everyone else pay into this reserve fund,

1:59:22

put money into it, and then his crab business gets it,

1:59:25

while he goes out and says that ordinary people

1:59:28

mustn’t be given money—better not give it to them, because they’ll just

1:59:30

spend it all away. It’s pointless. That’s

1:59:33

‘populism.’ But grabbing a chunk for yourself—

1:59:36

for some vague, incomprehensible business—

1:59:38

asking for some amount of money and declaring, ‘Give

1:59:40

us our usual slice,’ writing to

1:59:42

the government, and then getting that fat slice—

1:59:44

that’s considered normal. So right now,

1:59:47

during a crisis, during an epidemic,

1:59:50

it is supposedly vitally important for the state

1:59:52

to make sure that Ksyusha Sobchak (Ksenia Sobchak)

1:59:54

earns however many extra

1:59:57

millions of dollars. That’s apparently very important.

1:59:59

That’s what the economy is supposedly built on. This is also

2:00:01

called ‘helping the strong,’ in their

2:00:03

terminology. But giving money to everyone

2:00:05

else—that’s ‘populism.’

2:00:07

That just offends me to the very depths,

2:00:11

to the depths of my soul, because that’s

2:00:14

exactly how the whole system is set up. And this reserve

2:00:17

fund is exactly where the money will go. It will be

2:00:20

spent on people like the Rotenbergs,

2:00:22

Timchenko, Sobchak—on this whole gang, really,

2:00:25

these St. Petersburg thieves who came out

2:00:28

of the mayor’s office, from one office—from

2:00:31

three offices, really—and then gradually

2:00:32

built themselves up and took everything for themselves. That’s why

2:00:36

they aren’t giving out money now, because they’ve

2:00:38

already mentally divided up those 17 or 18

2:00:41

trillion rubles. Just imagine it:

2:00:43

it’s like a pile made of bricks, and each brick

2:00:45

has already been claimed by someone—this one for crabs,

2:00:48

that one for something else—and

2:00:51

they’ll drag it all away, and that pile

2:00:53

will be gone, or what’s left of it will be very, very small.

2:00:55

And in any case, it will run out within

2:00:57

a fairly short period of time.

2:01:00

But as long as we stay silent, we won’t get

2:01:03

a single kopek out of it—they’ll take everything.

2:01:05

So sign up, guys. So, well,

2:01:08

if you don’t want to sign, then at least don’t

2:01:09

stay silent. Tell everyone about this situation: that

2:01:11

right now, they will help them, but they will not help you

2:01:14

at all. More than that, they’ll even say,

2:01:15

‘It’s populism to give people money—they’ll just spend it all.’

2:01:17

That phrase—‘they’ll just spend it’—really

2:01:19

infuriates me.

2:01:20

And what are you supposed to do with it? You’re supposed

2:01:23

to save it? Put it in a passbook,

2:01:26

stick it in a cupboard so it sits there until the right

2:01:28

times? This reserve fund exists

2:01:30

so that we can spend it when needed.

2:01:31

After all, this is money people saved up.

2:01:34

They saved it, and now when you don’t have money,

2:01:38

you take out your rainy-day stash and use it up—that’s how it works,

2:01:41

in an ordinary family. That’s how it works

2:01:44

in business, and that’s how states work too.

2:01:47

That’s how it works, you understand? But they’ll come to you and

2:01:50

say something like, ‘What are you, idiots? Have you gone mad?

2:01:52

Are you completely crazy? Of course you can’t

2:01:55

just spend it. Of course we need to support

2:01:57

the right people—the crab business, of course, needs support.

2:01:59

The oil sector needs support; Sechin (Igor Sechin, head of Rosneft) needs to be given money,

2:02:01

because his young wife has

2:02:04

a yacht about this big—really, it has to be

2:02:06

that big.

2:02:06

And then maintaining all of that—it's all

2:02:09

very expensive. The money has to go there, and they

2:02:11

will take it all as long as we stay silent. Yes, I

2:02:15

understand that just signing a

2:02:16

petition may seem pointless, but damn,

2:02:18

many of you haven’t even done that.

2:02:20

Do it. Spread the word. Push this forward.

2:02:23

So, as for that—let’s go

2:02:25

in order. We’ve discussed the first woman on our

2:02:28

list.

2:02:31

I’ll take a couple of questions, then move on to the next

2:02:33

woman. And in 1986—well, Alexei, did you find out

2:02:37

who produces these masks? And was there a decree

2:02:38

specifying the manufacturers? But the masks

2:02:40

covered in the investigation—we

2:02:43

showed the manufacturer and the distributor there.

2:02:45

They were completely different kinds of masks.

2:02:48

And this is completely public information.

2:02:50

We compared the price—

2:02:52

the wholesale price publicly listed on the website—

2:02:55

with the price at which the Moscow city government

2:02:56

was buying them, and we saw that the Moscow government

2:02:58

was purchasing them at four times the price. But right now, we

2:03:01

don’t even need especially sophisticated

2:03:03

masks. It’s clear that if we want to put masks on

2:03:05

tens of millions of people—and

2:03:07

that will have to be done, because in the most

2:03:09

populous regions, the Moscow region,

2:03:11

Tatarstan, Primorye,

2:03:12

that’s already millions of people—many millions

2:03:15

of people.

2:03:15

Those masks have to come from somewhere.

2:03:18

So they have to be some kind of, well,

2:03:20

relatively inexpensive masks, because

2:03:22

you can’t put some super-complex

2:03:24

surgical masks on everyone. The point

2:03:26

isn’t really who exactly makes them,

2:03:30

the point is also who is going to

2:03:31

pay for them now. The main question is where to get them.

2:03:33

They can be obtained somewhere—here, Sporyvy writes, sport-

2:03:37

positions in Ryazan as well… prenatal…

2:03:39

They’re shutting down huge centers because of the coronavirus.

2:03:41

What, are women supposed to give birth out in the fields or something?

2:03:43

That’s the question. I mean, maybe sometimes you can,

2:03:46

use some kind of

2:03:48

additional space, but first of all, that

2:03:49

always looks pretty strange.

2:03:51

Closing maternity wards, and secondly,

2:03:53

most importantly, it clearly shows that there is

2:03:56

absolutely no plan whatsoever, not even close, and

2:03:58

there’s no decline at all, not even close. Everything they

2:04:00

say about a decline

2:04:02

is an absolute lie. And so,

2:04:05

Alexei asks: what do you think about

2:04:07

Mizulina’s residence permit?

2:04:09

Her reaction to the leaked information—I saw

2:04:11

some posts on social media saying that Mizulina

2:04:13

was involved in some scandal and had filed a lawsuit over it,

2:04:17

but I don’t know anything about her residence

2:04:20

permit. I’ll read up on it a bit more

2:04:24

before I tell you anything. Ruslan,

2:04:27

Fokin asks: is the second part of Ferro Pro

2:04:29

coming to an end? There hasn’t been a word about it yet.

2:04:31

As for today’s stream, it’s not going to be

2:04:33

four hours long, but who the hell knows.

2:04:35

I don’t want it to be four hours long, I mean,

2:04:38

two and a half at most, probably, but

2:04:40

don’t run off, don’t leave me here alone.

2:04:42

I’ll try now.

2:04:43

I just can’t ignore all these wonderful

2:04:45

women and not mention Putin’s daughter. Well,

2:04:48

what’s happening right now is just wonderful.

2:04:51

The BBC Russian Service

2:04:55

has put out such a great

2:04:58

investigation—a report about how

2:05:00

soon, very soon, we’ll apparently be fixing

2:05:03

our bad genetics. So all this stuff you’re doing—

2:05:06

showing off, watching this kind of thing—look,

2:05:08

watching streams like this means that in

2:05:09

your genes, something is wrong, and soon all of that

2:05:11

will be corrected. Maria Vorontsova, Putin’s elder

2:05:15

daughter, and the BBC wrote that

2:05:18

there will be a special

2:05:21

grand-scale genetics research project.

2:05:25

It will be carried out by Rosneft,

2:05:27

and Rosneft will

2:05:29

finance it, allocating up to $1 billion

2:05:32

for this research, spending it on

2:05:34

this whole venture.

2:05:35

It will be some kind of autonomous non-profit organization, and

2:05:37

well, it doesn’t say outright that all

2:05:41

this billion will be controlled by Putin’s daughter,

2:05:43

but it strongly hints at it, indicating

2:05:46

that she will, or may, join the board, and well,

2:05:49

indeed,

2:05:50

that’s more or less what it looks like: that all of this

2:05:53

is being done for Putin’s daughter. Because really,

2:05:55

what does Rosneft have to do with it?

2:05:56

Where do genetics research and Rosneft even intersect?

2:05:58

Why on earth should Rosneft

2:06:02

be doing any kind of genetic

2:06:03

research? But this all, of course,

2:06:06

reminds me of that association

2:06:09

with acrobatic rock-and-roll, because

2:06:12

Putin’s younger daughter, Katerina Tikhonova, likes

2:06:15

acrobatic rock-and-roll, and suddenly all

2:06:17

the state companies—Rosneft and the rest—

2:06:19

fell in love with it too and started

2:06:22

pouring money into it, and somehow palaces started appearing for them.

2:06:24

It suddenly became the richest sport of all.

2:06:26

The same thing will happen here. Tomorrow,

2:06:29

if Putin’s daughter decides she loves, I don’t know, embroidery

2:06:33

or

2:06:34

wood burning, Rosneft will allocate

2:06:37

a billion dollars so they can make

2:06:40

the very best little plaques and pyrography tools,

2:06:43

and so all of it can be studied, and there’ll be a huge

2:06:46

museum of various pictures and everything

2:06:49

else, because that’s how our country works.

2:06:50

Someone gets interested in something and immediately it’s like:

2:06:52

“Masha, how are you? Feeling down? Want to

2:06:55

take up genetics, maybe? Sure, let’s do it.”

2:06:57

“Igor Ivanovich, let’s allocate a billion.”

2:07:00

“Please, the girl has a hobby.”

2:07:02

She got interested in genetics, and there’s

2:07:04

something absolutely amazing here. First of all,

2:07:07

Rosneft has already said that it

2:07:08

will sue over claims that Putin’s daughter

2:07:12

has anything to do with this. This was stated by

2:07:15

their wonderful press secretary

2:07:16

Mikhail Leontyev of Rosneft, and there

2:07:19

they have these absolutely fantastic

2:07:23

official comments. Please show them

2:07:26

if you have them. “In the course of the

2:07:27

research, it is planned to determine

2:07:30

whether there are genetic defects typical of the Russian

2:07:32

ethnic group that

2:07:35

can be identified and subsequently

2:07:37

edited.” That’s the maximum program. The project’s working title is

2:07:39

“The Genome of Russians.”

2:07:42

So it’s clear, this genetic

2:07:43

defect in Russians is exactly the kind of thing

2:07:46

people like you have—oh, excuse me, apart from the virus—

2:07:50

people like you, the ones who watch streams like this.

2:07:53

That’s the genetic defect. And then

2:07:55

it goes on to say that as part of the research,

2:07:57

they plan to collect for study

2:07:59

genetic material from 100,000 Russians.

2:08:02

It will mostly be taken from Rosneft employees

2:08:04

as part of routine

2:08:06

medical checkups. I mean, how does that

2:08:08

sound? It certainly sounds like complete

2:08:11

nonsense—utter absurdity. Rosneft, a company

2:08:13

with very, very serious financial

2:08:15

problems,

2:08:16

is going to work on the genome of Russians,

2:08:20

edit their genomes,

2:08:22

and treat their genetic defects. I mean,

2:08:25

the girl is entertaining herself, and this [__]

2:08:28

entertainment explains it perfectly. So look,

2:08:31

the reserve fund—how much is it, 103.6 billion?

2:08:33

Well, a billion has to be handed over

2:08:36

to Rosneft so it can

2:08:37

finance little Masha. She’s such a

2:08:40

smart girl, such a good girl, she needs

2:08:42

to work on genetic defects. Another

2:08:45

billion for the girl—she also likes

2:08:47

acrobatic rock-and-roll,

2:08:48

and we should probably set aside another 5 billion too.

2:08:50

because at Moscow State University (MSU) they were doing some kind of things there

2:08:52

like, I’m smart, and what do we have there at Yandex?

2:08:54

working on little projects there with professors

2:08:57

a billion, Ksyushka came in all scatterbrained

2:09:00

like, well, it seems a neighbor had been living there for a long time

2:09:02

and we know her well, so come on, let’s go over all of it

2:09:05

and we’ll throw money at the crabs there too, and so

2:09:07

so little by little it keeps melting away, while we

2:09:09

stay silent, but if we stay silent there, then the window can

2:09:12

come out four hours late for

2:09:14

an address to the nation, so, vivid, but if

2:09:18

if they stay silent, I’ll decorate a billion cars, take it

2:09:22

also study genetic defects, that’s exactly

2:09:24

that’s exactly how it works, and that’s what we need

2:09:27

to talk about

2:09:28

just tell everyone around you as well

2:09:30

the BBC Russian Service published there

2:09:32

some little note, and nobody knows, you

2:09:33

tell them

2:09:34

that everyone is sitting there with no money, while the daughters

2:09:37

of Putin are being given money to fix genetic defects

2:09:39

through rising oil prices

2:09:41

a billion dollars — that’s an important thing

2:09:45

that everyone should know about, so come on

2:09:47

we finally got there, done — wonderful Elena

2:09:51

Malysheva — there were a lot of questions about why

2:09:53

why exactly Malysheva

2:09:54

but why not any of our other

2:09:56

investigations? Because, well, we have

2:09:58

some groundwork, we keep an eye on all

2:10:01

these propagandists, and Elena Malysheva was one of them

2:10:03

we understood that something was off with her

2:10:06

that she was just, right now,

2:10:07

the agenda is all about coronavirus, and Elena

2:10:09

Malysheva really is also a person

2:10:12

who consistently, just constantly,

2:10:15

kept insisting that corona-

2:10:18

virus was complete nonsense

2:10:19

that coronavirus wasn’t anything serious, just something minor

2:10:21

basically some kind of trivial technical illness

2:10:24

there was a lot of it, just complete nonsense

2:10:27

like when she said, well, basically,

2:10:31

there’s nothing scary about it, it’s no worse than the flu

2:10:34

and that’s why we decided to look into her seriously

2:10:38

when we started digging, we discovered

2:10:40

that, well, I mean, who could have guessed

2:10:42

that this funny old lady

2:10:44

we know she annoys a huge

2:10:47

number of doctors, because basically

2:10:49

what she does is sit there

2:10:52

on federal television

2:10:53

and federal TV simply brainwashes

2:10:56

older people on politics and

2:10:58

including medicine, and this

2:11:02

made Malysheva, for a huge

2:11:04

number of people — basically decent people

2:11:06

but people who don’t read, and that’s true

2:11:08

who don’t read literature, don’t have

2:11:10

the opportunity, and rarely get to talk with

2:11:14

real doctors — she became this kind of

2:11:16

main source of information about medicine

2:11:19

and in that sense, the degree of influence

2:11:22

and persuasion over millions of people is very

2:11:24

high. What Malysheva did

2:11:26

as a person, you are potentially someone

2:11:30

who can do great good or

2:11:33

great harm, and Malysheva went in the direction of

2:11:35

great harm, because she

2:11:36

the party and the government said

2:11:38

to downplay the threat, and she dutifully downplayed

2:11:40

the threat, and because of this the party and government

2:11:43

created a situation in which

2:11:45

fantastic amounts of money could be made

2:11:46

fantastic money. A lot of people watch our

2:11:48

investigations — really a lot — and I’m genuinely

2:11:50

very pleased. Let’s take a minute and a half

2:11:52

from there as a reminder — let’s watch

2:11:55

what real luxury looks like

2:11:57

a huge house with columns, a well-kept

2:12:00

plot with neatly trimmed

2:12:02

lawns and trees, but the most interesting part

2:12:04

is of course inside: you walk in and — wow — gold

2:12:09

gold, gold everywhere, a huge chandelier

2:12:12

carved panels, marble, stucco

2:12:15

and from above, look how luxurious it all

2:12:18

looks. The most interesting thing is where

2:12:21

this glittering golden

2:12:24

mansion is located. Where could such beauty be?

2:12:26

Usually at moments like this I say:

2:12:28

we are in the most elite part of

2:12:31

Rublyovka (an ultra-wealthy area outside Moscow), but right now it’s really not very

2:12:33

clear where we are. Here we fly off in this direction

2:12:35

to get our bearings — a river, probably this is

2:12:38

the Volga

2:12:48

but no, guys, this isn’t the Volga, because on the

2:12:51

other bank we find Manhattan

2:12:54

she bought it in 2016 for 6

2:12:57

and a half million dollars — 430

2:12:59

million rubles at the exchange rate at the time

2:13:01

take a look at this video from his

2:13:04

Instagram, and here he talks about what

2:13:06

Bernie Sanders is actually suffering from. Behind

2:13:09

Yuri, it’s hard to miss the New York

2:13:11

skyline. This video was filmed in this very building

2:13:14

on Park Avenue, specifically

2:13:16

Yuri is standing in this apartment right here. You can

2:13:18

compare the view yourselves. This apartment was

2:13:21

bought by the Malyshevs in October 2014

2:13:23

for $2 million. In the same building they have

2:13:26

another apartment exactly like it

2:13:29

but on a different floor, bought on the same

2:13:32

day as the first one and registered identically. So, two

2:13:36

apartments in central New York, 110

2:13:38

square meters each, with a total value of 4

2:13:41

million 200 thousand dollars

2:13:44

when I first saw those golden

2:13:46

interiors, I honestly thought it was

2:13:48

a mistake — that just couldn’t be real

2:13:50

first of all, you’d really have to be

2:13:52

not entirely mentally healthy

2:13:54

second, it just doesn’t really fit her image

2:13:55

and I think that’s important, which is why our

2:13:58

investigation got such an active response

2:14:00

she has this image of a rather Spartan grandmother

2:14:03

who

2:14:04

works with other grandmothers, tells them things

2:14:07

and does her strange dancing

2:14:10

human-organs-in-the-studio routines, but overall

2:14:13

You know, her life was supposedly like this: hunger and...

2:14:15

cold. I mean, obviously they do have money.

2:14:17

She works for Channel One (Russia’s main state TV channel).

2:14:18

And, importantly, she repeatedly

2:14:21

emphasized that her main source

2:14:23

of income was Channel One, so we expected her life to be

2:14:26

well, something like

2:14:28

comfortable,

2:14:29

but probably with a tilt toward a kind of ostentatious

2:14:32

Spartanism. But there, it was ostentation of the exact opposite kind.

2:14:36

Just the opposite. And all of this comes against the backdrop

2:14:40

of her saying that Moscow is the best city on earth,

2:14:43

that Sergei Semyonovich (Sergei Sobyanin, Moscow’s mayor) is the best person in the

2:14:46

world. She constantly talks

2:14:49

about how things abroad aren’t really

2:14:51

that great. In our investigation, there’s a clip where she says:

2:14:54

there’s this excerpt.

2:14:55

“My son works as a doctor in a New York hospital.”

2:14:57

“Yes, the expenses are enormous, and what he actually takes home

2:15:00

is 40,000 to 60,000 rubles (about $430–$650).” I mean,

2:15:03

anyone who knows anything starts laughing out loud

2:15:05

at the suggestion that a doctor in

2:15:08

New York would end up with

2:15:10

46,000 rubles (about $500) left after all expenses.

2:15:12

But she had been working on this audience’s minds

2:15:14

for the benefit of the entire Channel One machine

2:15:16

for many years. She had simply been

2:15:20

stringing them along—just

2:15:23

deceiving them—and investing all of that there,

2:15:26

investing it in things like golden tables.

2:15:28

And it really just looks like

2:15:30

absolute

2:15:31

hell. And this is very important, because we

2:15:34

know what she’s going to say and do now.

2:15:37

For a while, she’ll get scared, she’s turned off

2:15:39

comments on Instagram, and now she’ll start

2:15:41

saying, “You know, I have

2:15:42

a big business, I have lots of companies,”

2:15:44

“dozens of companies are registered under my name,” and

2:15:46

that this is even referred to in newspapers as

2:15:48

“Elena Malysheva’s business empire.” I want

2:15:50

people to understand very clearly that these are not

2:15:52

the same thing. She

2:15:53

really does have

2:15:54

a lot of different companies, but having many companies does not

2:15:57

mean there are large profits from those

2:15:59

companies.

2:16:00

First of all, she repeatedly said that

2:16:03

her main source of income was money from

2:16:06

Channel One. Let’s take a look, let’s

2:16:08

remember—there was even a clip compilation of this.

2:16:11

You also have a medical center.

2:16:14

And your website, Zdorovie Info. And then at home...

2:16:18

well, essentially they do

2:16:19

franchises of your

2:16:22

diet and nutrition internet

2:16:24

business, medical centers, and also

2:16:27

a PR agency—so this is all your

2:16:31

business. Which of them brings you the most

2:16:33

income? The medical center

2:16:37

doesn’t bring in any income at all—zero.

2:16:41

The diet business—well, right now, at the moment, quite a lot.

2:16:44

But for a long time, of course, basically

2:16:47

the main income—not even income, really, but

2:16:51

on television, after all, I receive

2:16:54

a salary as a host, and so on. Of course,

2:16:56

that’s the main thing.

2:16:59

And what she said there is very important.

2:17:01

Elena Malysheva lies a great, great deal, but

2:17:04

here she wasn’t too far from the truth, because

2:17:07

we looked at the documents for all these

2:17:10

companies—you can look them up too,

2:17:11

it’s public information. There are, basically,

2:17:14

effectively two sources

2:17:16

of income: her medical centers—they

2:17:18

showed some income—and all these

2:17:20

diet businesses, which in principle show

2:17:22

a more or less decent income. But there’s

2:17:24

nothing even close there to paying for

2:17:27

all this real estate in New York.

2:17:29

I mean, if someone spent $11 million

2:17:30

on real estate in New York alone,

2:17:32

that person is dealing with

2:17:34

huge amounts of money and sources

2:17:37

of income. They are not getting any

2:17:39

substantial income from this. And honestly, right now

2:17:42

we’re simply being flooded with letters

2:17:45

from various pharmaceutical companies, from

2:17:47

marketers, who write: “What, didn’t you know?”

2:17:48

“Didn’t you know?”

2:17:49

“She just takes money for

2:17:52

advertising various

2:17:56

medications, which in fact

2:17:58

is directly prohibited, and that most of that money

2:18:01

doesn’t go to Channel One

2:18:04

but straight into her own pocket. More than that,

2:18:07

there’s even a fairly well-known

2:18:09

episode where she advertises one of

2:18:12

the medications, and in this interview with Shikhman

2:18:15

—the one I showed you a quote from—

2:18:18

they talk about it. Let’s watch.

2:18:19

Who started this advertisement for Essentiale?

2:18:21

A minute and six seconds of advertising consists of the fact that it

2:18:27

includes phone numbers, addresses, and even names

2:18:34

the brand name, even though you’re not supposed to show any

2:18:38

medication at all. I have a question for you:

2:18:40

did that company pay for this?

2:18:43

“Of course it paid. Well, you know...”

2:18:46

Or maybe it was just that, as far as I know,

2:18:48

Elena Malysheva strongly

2:18:50

said, “This is how it should be done.”

2:18:52

That’s what they always say. And when you personally

2:18:54

say that this drug treats people,

2:18:56

even though you yourself say that you only

2:18:58

requested studies from them, and your

2:19:00

colleague never once said that the drug

2:19:04

cures anything—she only listed all its

2:19:06

properties. What else is there for the liver? I

2:19:09

have to show this drug. It is one of

2:19:12

the best-selling medications in Russia.

2:19:14

Essentiale Forte N. It has one effect:

2:19:18

it stabilizes membranes.

2:19:21

It stabilizes the membranes of those very

2:19:24

damaged liver cells, and thanks

2:19:27

to that, there is no tragic

2:19:31

destruction and development of cirrhosis.

2:19:35

Well, you just saw it: formally,

2:19:38

it may not count as advertising, because in

2:19:40

An advertisement is supposed to say: buy it.

2:19:41

Please, this medicine—contact us at

2:19:43

the phone number 3 2 2 2 2 2.

2:19:45

And this is advertising, but what you saw in the process

2:19:47

was direct advertising for this medicine,

2:19:50

shown in close-up, and Shifman, who worked

2:19:52

there, apparently, says you can't do that, and

2:19:54

who took money for it? People write to us about this,

2:19:57

all kinds of things. By the way, while I have the chance,

2:20:00

I'd like to call on everyone—marketers,

2:20:02

pharmaceutical marketers—to get in touch with

2:20:04

us and tell us where and how

2:20:06

you are paying for this abuse.

2:20:08

And the money for what Elena Malysheva

2:20:10

squeezed out of these unfortunate pensioners

2:20:13

by using Channel One—why is this happening here?

2:20:15

This is yet another case of corruption. Channel One is hugely

2:20:17

loss-making, and you paid for

2:20:20

every second of this show. They can

2:20:23

say it has high ratings and

2:20:24

so on, but Channel One is operating at a loss; she

2:20:27

is paid a fee, and so is the production team of this

2:20:29

show.

2:20:30

It's a loss-making channel, and those losses are covered

2:20:32

by you, and she uses a state-run

2:20:35

channel in order to effectively run

2:20:37

what in Russian media is called *dzhinsa* (paid-for covert PR), hidden sponsored

2:20:40

advertising, and then she drags that money

2:20:43

where? To America. She takes it to America, and

2:20:46

even, frankly speaking, her businesses

2:20:47

connected with selling diets are also, in

2:20:51

essence, a byproduct of

2:20:54

Channel One, because this whole

2:20:55

business is built like this: she

2:20:57

goes on Channel One live on air

2:20:59

and says, subscribe to my Instagram,

2:21:03

and on that Instagram, well, we'll

2:21:05

be discussing diets with you there. Let's

2:21:06

watch this clip.

2:21:08

Everyone who wants to join these groups, go to my

2:21:12

Instagram, malysheva.life, write to me,

2:21:14

leave your contact details, and we will get in touch with

2:21:16

all of you. But in the meantime, stay at home.

2:21:23

Stay home.

2:21:25

Look, when you write to me on Instagram

2:21:27

that you're eating everything as instructed, well, at least for some

2:21:33

point we'll need to meet sometime

2:21:35

so you can be properly examined.

2:21:38

Well, you see, dear women who are watching,

2:21:41

come to my Instagram.

2:21:42

Women came to Instagram because

2:21:44

Channel One sent them there. And what do they see

2:21:46

on Instagram? She is already selling

2:21:48

this diet directly. Let's watch. And

2:21:50

now let's move on to the project "Lose the Excess"

2:21:53

"Win a Million" for our viewers.

2:21:55

I want to say that on the website of the program

2:21:57

*Health*, we have published menus for those

2:22:02

who want to lose weight. If you're ready to

2:22:04

cook for yourselves, then cook—we'll only be glad.

2:22:07

That's not quite the right video. We have a video

2:22:10

where, directly on Instagram,

2:22:12

she urges people to buy all these various things of hers.

2:22:15

I mean direct advertising on Instagram.

2:22:17

Well, no—but in any case, you can

2:22:20

trace it all quite easily. This whole

2:22:22

scheme is easy to follow. It's basically

2:22:26

simple: Channel One, which you paid for, invites

2:22:28

everyone to Instagram, and on Instagram she starts

2:22:30

selling these diets of hers. Without Channel One,

2:22:32

none of this works. In other words,

2:22:34

in that sense, Channel One has turned into

2:22:36

a huge corruption feeding trough,

2:22:39

where she is parasitizing. We don't know with whom

2:22:41

she shares it, or exactly what she does,

2:22:43

but what is absolutely certain is that all of this is arranged

2:22:46

in such a way that the enormous trust

2:22:48

built up over 22 years

2:22:53

of dumbing down mainly middle-aged

2:22:57

and elderly women is converted into

2:23:00

actual money for her. That money she

2:23:02

takes abroad, and then she comes back here

2:23:05

and talks about how wonderful and beautiful

2:23:10

our country is. But sometimes it gets funny.

2:23:11

There was an episode—Malysheva is from Kemerovo (a city in Siberia),

2:23:13

and she was speaking somewhere in Kemerovo, and she was

2:23:15

asked, "Would you like to return to your native

2:23:18

Kemerovo?" And somehow, apparently,

2:23:19

she answered honestly: "Have I lost my mind?"

2:23:21

Let's watch this short clip.

2:23:28

And now,

2:23:30

to live in Kemerovo in the future—I would have to be

2:23:35

crazy to do that.

2:23:36

Well of course I'm not going there today.

2:23:39

Today I have two programs in Moscow.

2:23:41

You'd have to be crazy—what, is there not enough

2:23:44

to do in Moscow? No, of course not.

2:23:49

This is really quite something—it's genuinely

2:23:55

a textbook phrase, an exemplary expression of her attitude

2:23:57

to all of this. I mean, she has a program in

2:23:59

Moscow, her mother is in Moscow, but in reality

2:24:01

what really infuriates those people back home

2:24:03

is that she has already stepped across the ocean, and all

2:24:06

her future, everything ahead of her, is tied to

2:24:08

America. And basically it's a simple business model:

2:24:11

sit in Moscow, being favored

2:24:14

by the authorities. And by the way, in Moscow she has

2:24:15

an apartment of 250 square meters (about 2,690 sq ft),

2:24:18

a two-story one. So in Moscow she is doing

2:24:20

very well too. We decided not to drag her husband into our

2:24:21

investigation because

2:24:23

there was already so much material in Moscow about

2:24:26

how, under the protection of the authorities, you flatter the authorities,

2:24:28

and that's why you stay on Channel One, and through

2:24:31

Channel One you peddle some nonsense to those Kemerovo residents

2:24:33

of yours, and they pay you

2:24:36

money. It bypasses taxes,

2:24:39

goes into your pocket, and then you take it all to

2:24:40

America and buy, there in Manhattan,

2:24:43

you understand, in Manhattan, a 110-square-meter

2:24:45

apartment (about 1,184 sq ft) for your children, one

2:24:47

of whom is a doctor with an American

2:24:49

education, another some kind of media/startup person,

2:24:51

and the whole family is in

2:24:53

America. Everything is very good, everything is very

2:24:55

nice. But every so often you need to

2:24:58

go on air and say whatever is required about viruses and so on.

2:24:59

Here are those six seconds—let's watch them once again.

2:25:01

She comes out and says, in my view, for the weak-minded,

2:25:03

listen, I'll just say this, sorry, if this is

2:25:06

some American plot, then don't embarrass yourselves

2:25:08

because the virus is weak.

2:25:11

And she's speaking on behalf of such a smart,

2:25:14

cool Zadornov, a Russian patriot (Mikhail Zadornov, a satirist),

2:25:17

saying, well yes, of course, they say

2:25:19

the Americans made this virus, but the virus

2:25:22

can't handle our Russian, Kemerovo,

2:25:25

Siberian health with this virus,

2:25:28

you won't beat it with this virus, ha-ha-ha. Americans, you've made fools of yourselves,

2:25:31

says Elena Malysheva.

2:25:33

She leaves the studio, gets on a plane

2:25:36

in business class, and flies home to

2:25:39

America, where she has

2:25:41

a golden jacuzzi, a golden table with a golden

2:25:45

ceiling, I don't know, a golden bathtub, a golden

2:25:47

toothbrush, everything's golden, a little golden dog,

2:25:50

an elephant made out of shrubbery, and lovely children,

2:25:54

very smart, very nice, one of them is a doctor.

2:25:57

Two sons, I think—anyway, they help their mom

2:26:00

and appear in

2:26:02

a video called "The Song of Testicles." Because of

2:26:05

that video, by the way, our, our, our

2:26:08

this clip here, which has now been watched by

2:26:10

more than 4 million people, has monetization turned on,

2:26:12

which means it's pretty funny that, uh,

2:26:14

Channel One (Russia's main state TV channel), apparently at least in part,

2:26:16

and Elena Malysheva, it turns out, are even

2:26:18

making money from the fact that you're watching

2:26:24

this clip, because it shows ads on it.

2:26:26

It would be even more ironic if

2:26:28

those ads were ads for

2:26:31

diet pills or Elena Malysheva's diet

2:26:33

food products. It's getting a lot of views.

2:26:36

That shows there's

2:26:38

real potential, a real point, in

2:26:41

sending this to your mom and

2:26:44

your grandma—that is, to this target

2:26:45

audience—because people will be

2:26:48

shocked. They thought she was

2:26:50

one of us, a good person, telling us things, she

2:26:53

shows dancing organs, she makes

2:26:55

us better and healthier, but all of this is just

2:26:57

nothing but massive hypocrisy, lies, and

2:26:59

deceit.

2:27:00

You can't imagine how many

2:27:02

doctors wrote to me.

2:27:04

And in general, the feeling now is: finally,

2:27:06

you talked about this, because

2:27:07

it's impossible to listen to this nonsense, which

2:27:10

really does cause enormous

2:27:11

harm. She does paid propaganda, and everyone knows it.

2:27:14

She engages in political

2:27:15

prostitution on top of everything else, but all of it is wrapped in

2:27:18

this image of a sweet, smiling woman, with this

2:27:20

hairdo, and we see her and think, yes, she's this

2:27:22

nice, kind doctor of ours. She's nothing of the sort—

2:27:26

not nice, not kind, but disgusting, malicious,

2:27:28

and very greedy. Today I saw a great 15-second video on Twitter.

2:27:32

A great 15-second video where this

2:27:34

girl sat her grandma and grandpa down

2:27:36

and

2:27:37

showed them this video. So let's

2:27:41

watch it—15 seconds. That's what everyone should do.

2:27:43

Everyone.

2:27:54

[music]

2:27:55

There'll be an interesting link. So let's take

2:28:01

another look at it.

2:28:04

See? People watch it without taking their eyes off it

2:28:06

because it's, well, because it's all

2:28:10

very clear, and very quickly

2:28:12

it makes a lot of different things clear,

2:28:15

including the absolute hypocrisy of these

2:28:17

propagandists, who are all there

2:28:20

Here's an interesting thing: Solovyov is in

2:28:22

Italy,

2:28:23

Brilev is in the UK,

2:28:25

and they lie as much as possible about wonderful

2:28:29

Mother Russia, while in reality they're trying

2:28:31

to get as far away from that Russia as

2:28:33

they possibly can, taking with them,

2:28:36

of course, a large amount of money.

2:28:38

So please help us

2:28:39

spread these investigations.

2:28:40

Regina Todorenko—an astonishing and very

2:28:44

instructive scandal erupted around her, and it

2:28:48

really, in a certain part of

2:28:50

society, on social media—on Instagram, at least—

2:28:52

completely overshadowed

2:28:54

the coronavirus. It was the only news.

2:28:57

There were lots of jokes that the Americans had released

2:28:58

the UFO videos—you've probably seen them—and

2:29:00

the coronavirus had so completely captured

2:29:03

humanity's attention that no one even noticed the UFOs.

2:29:06

But in Russia, Regina

2:29:09

Todorenko really did just

2:29:10

take over the conversation. And to a lesser extent I even want

2:29:13

to discuss in substance what exactly was said there,

2:29:15

though we'll touch on that a bit.

2:29:18

What struck me was the situation itself, because Todorenko

2:29:20

effectively became the first

2:29:23

person to seriously suffer

2:29:28

because of public opinion, to be punished

2:29:31

and lose a ton of money

2:29:33

specifically because of public opinion,

2:29:34

because of outrage on social media over the fact that

2:29:36

[__] how could anyone say something like that? Have you ever seen Slutsky (Leonid Slutsky, Russian politician)? It's like water off a duck's back for him.

2:29:39

All the people featured in our

2:29:41

investigations—yes, some resigned,

2:29:43

we filmed things, and after some time

2:29:44

people stepped down. The head of

2:29:48

Russian Railways, for example—once we found apartments in

2:29:50

Miami, and then he

2:29:52

resigned from the Duma the next day.

2:29:54

But most often it's connected with our

2:29:57

investigations in general. But this is nonsense—like,

2:29:59

when some deputies do all kinds of crazy things.

2:30:02

Khinshtein stages a drunken brawl on

2:30:05

a plane, acting like some drunken pig

2:30:07

arguing with the crew—and so what?

2:30:10

He lay low somewhere for six months, and now

2:30:11

he's a deputy again, even cockier, writing

2:30:14

showing off in front of everyone, and he introduced

2:30:16

a bill saying that for insults on the internet

2:30:18

people should now be

2:30:21

fined

2:30:21

and punished. Apparently that was made especially for me and

2:30:23

for people like me, basically, I mean,

2:30:26

it just rolls right off, like water off a duck’s back. But Regina

2:30:27

Todorenko, of course, really got hit with

2:30:30

a major backlash and ended up becoming the person

2:30:35

whom public opinion really

2:30:36

punished. For those who haven’t been following it that closely,

2:30:38

on Instagram, let’s just

2:30:40

go over what happened. It all started when

2:30:43

she gave an interview together with her

2:30:45

husband, Vlad Topalov, and Regina Todorenko

2:30:48

is a very sweet woman, and basically her whole

2:30:50

business is built on the fact that she’s very

2:30:52

very charming — you look at her and you just

2:30:54

can’t help smiling back. Some people just have

2:30:56

that quality. She smiles at you from the screen,

2:30:58

and you think she’s smiling

2:31:00

right at me. That

2:31:01

is a great asset, and it earns her a ton of

2:31:03

money — $880,000 a year, according to

2:31:08

Forbes estimates; at least $1 million a

2:31:10

year, minimum, she earns. And her

2:31:12

husband is

2:31:12

less likable, kind of a pro-government guy

2:31:15

named Vlad Topalov.

2:31:17

So, they gave a joint interview, and

2:31:19

Regina said that when, basically,

2:31:23

a husband beats his wife, that’s a reason to

2:31:27

stop and think what she did for him to hit

2:31:30

her. Here are the 22 seconds that

2:31:32

started the huge scandal.

2:31:34

Russian glamour needs a psychologically

2:31:38

disturbed person who’ll turn on a camera and

2:31:42

start spouting nonsense.

2:31:42

He’s not going to kill you, come on. What is going on inside your head?

2:31:45

Do you even have a brain? How do you even put words together

2:31:48

to say something like that? There must be some kind of

2:31:50

critical moment that happens for you to

2:31:52

say something like that. Why don’t you

2:31:55

ever stop and think about what you did before that

2:31:57

to make him not — well, to make him

2:31:59

hit you?

2:32:01

And that sounded very, very strange.

2:32:04

I mean, Regina Todorenko is a genius when it comes to

2:32:07

marketing and PR.

2:32:08

She knows how to work with huge audiences on

2:32:11

Instagram. But then she stepped a little into

2:32:13

the public-political arena and said a fairly

2:32:17

strange, unacceptable thing. But then it all

2:32:20

really blew up when she

2:32:23

went and gave an interview to

2:32:25

*Glamour* magazine and essentially confirmed all of it.

2:32:27

And she also said that men

2:32:29

who beat their women are merely

2:32:31

the result of how women raised them. Let’s watch

2:32:33

this video: “These men who beat their

2:32:36

wives

2:32:37

are merely the result of women’s

2:32:39

upbringing.”

2:32:43

Why did she say that? I have a

2:32:45

hypothesis, and it is that

2:32:48

this whole Instagram and TikTok world, and everything

2:32:51

else, is built on this thing

2:32:53

called “new sincerity.” They all keep

2:32:56

showing — Todorenko and everyone else —

2:32:59

these supposedly wonderful, actually

2:33:00

quite charming Instagram stars

2:33:03

acting out little scenes from life, things a

2:33:06

person has felt or seen, and then they

2:33:08

look at it and say that phrase — I hate

2:33:10

this expression, but it’s common — like, yeah,

2:33:12

“this is how we do our makeup, and this is how

2:33:15

we get drunk, and this is how people talk

2:33:17

when they’re in relationships” — like, “that’s life.”

2:33:19

And she probably thought that she too could

2:33:23

offer some “new sincerity” and say what

2:33:25

everyone supposedly really thinks, because

2:33:28

every one of us has either been involved in a family

2:33:31

scandal or, as a child,

2:33:33

watched one happen, and it always

2:33:35

looks ugly. There are all kinds of situations in

2:33:37

life, and a hundred times we’ve heard things like,

2:33:41

“yeah, he hit her, but she was nagging him

2:33:44

for ten years,” and actually

2:33:46

she was to blame, and there are all these kids. I mean,

2:33:51

we watch films — love stories, which are

2:33:54

very popular right now — and *Marriage

2:33:56

Story*, that recent film,

2:33:59

I’m getting tongue-tied, Lord — with Scarlett

2:34:01

Johansson — and there too, they

2:34:04

have scandals, they argue, they almost fight,

2:34:06

and it’s presented as some part of life, and there are endless

2:34:09

discussions about how everyone is to blame

2:34:11

and it can’t be avoided.

2:34:13

So she probably thought that if she said

2:34:15

something that is, basically,

2:34:17

quite widespread

2:34:18

in our society — like, that he

2:34:21

hit her because she herself was in the wrong —

2:34:23

people would say, “See? Regina gets it, that’s real life,” and that would be

2:34:28

really cool. But it turned out that “real life”

2:34:31

in Russia is a little different.

2:34:34

And it doesn’t look like the film *Marriage

2:34:37

Story*, where people just argue,

2:34:40

smash dishes, or are ready to — I don’t

2:34:42

know —

2:34:43

fight, make up, argue, whatever.

2:34:45

The reality in Russia is that

2:34:48

someone gets drunk and beats his wife every day,

2:34:51

and then, after a while,

2:34:53

he stabs her to death. We’ve all seen this, and it

2:34:57

is, in fact, a massive problem here.

2:34:59

Dozens, hundreds of women are killed every year

2:35:04

— even every month — in all these domestic violence cases.

2:35:07

I mean, all of this is compounded by alcoholism,

2:35:10

by aggression in society,

2:35:11

by patriarchy in general, and by the fact that

2:35:15

entire state institutions say

2:35:17

that domestic violence is basically just a private matter,

2:35:19

that there’s no need for such a law here — that’s our

2:35:22

reality. And these people who

2:35:24

sit there looking at Instagram and being shown

2:35:26

ads for foundation and all that,

2:35:29

they’ve seen a different life, and

2:35:31

the level of violence is such that

2:35:34

you can’t just say, “well, who knows

2:35:36

they fought, who was to blame, maybe

2:35:39

someone was at fault” — because all of that

2:35:41

ends in a stabbing.

2:35:43

This ends with you

2:35:46

just saying, well, some guy is beating his wife and kids,

2:35:48

or his parents too — that’s just how everything is set up here,

2:35:50

and millions of people are caught up in it.

2:35:52

And so even if someone, of course,

2:35:57

is familiar with situations where,

2:35:59

say, spouses are fighting and God knows which of them

2:36:01

is to blame, still it is absolutely impossible

2:36:04

and unacceptable in Russia to say,

2:36:07

you know, he beats her every night, but

2:36:09

well, maybe she shouldn’t have nagged him, maybe she shouldn’t have

2:36:12

been messing with his head all the time, maybe she should have

2:36:14

thought about it too. You cannot say that in Russia.

2:36:16

You can’t say that in Russia, because if you do,

2:36:19

if you say that, it simply

2:36:22

opens the door to some

2:36:24

completely ugly things. You just can’t

2:36:27

talk like that. It is simply absolutely

2:36:29

unacceptable as a judgment.

2:36:31

And then, accordingly, it all took off.

2:36:32

People basically said,

2:36:35

“Sorry, Regina, but life is different.”

2:36:39

They simply unleashed on her the fury

2:36:41

of retribution, and they attacked

2:36:44

quite skillfully, targeting vulnerable points.

2:36:47

That same magazine, *Glamour*, which had featured the interview,

2:36:49

first responded sarcastically,

2:36:50

and then stripped her of it — they

2:36:53

first said, “Sorry, we can’t”

2:36:55

“take away the title of Woman of the Year,” but then

2:36:57

they did strip her of that title, Woman

2:37:01

of the Year. After that, things just kept falling apart.

2:37:03

And

2:37:05

then one after another, people started dropping her.

2:37:08

Pampers dropped her, a psychologist distanced herself,

2:37:10

and some other brands as well.

2:37:13

They demanded more too; an apology was not enough.

2:37:16

They started terminating contracts with her, because

2:37:18

huge numbers of women were writing in.

2:37:20

Women were writing, including to Western

2:37:22

offices, and in those Western offices people are sitting there

2:37:24

saying, “What did she say?” I mean,

2:37:27

you can talk in different ways about

2:37:29

the complexity of the situation,

2:37:31

yes, but to say that you should

2:37:34

“think about it”

2:37:35

and then imply that, basically,

2:37:38

women get beaten because of something they did —

2:37:40

that is something you cannot say, even if it

2:37:43

corresponds to your own truth or

2:37:45

your experience,

2:37:46

or to some extent to historical reality.

2:37:48

You cannot say that, because people die.

2:37:50

A lot of people die, children

2:37:53

grow up deeply traumatized for

2:37:55

the rest of their lives, families collapse in the broadest

2:37:58

sense — your mother gets stabbed, your father

2:38:00

gets sent to prison for 20 years. This is not an isolated

2:38:03

story. This is just — this is just life

2:38:04

in Russia. This is just ordinary life

2:38:07

in provincial Russia.

2:38:08

So naturally, people in the West are shocked, and

2:38:11

they throw her out of advertising contracts.

2:38:13

And on top of that, of course, her husband

2:38:16

handled the whole thing very strangely, and his

2:38:18

friends were posting things in

2:38:21

support, saying stuff like, “Here we have a bunch of”

2:38:22

“sexually frustrated women,” basically,

2:38:25

who had come to her defense, and Todorenko’s

2:38:28

husband was liking those posts. Naturally,

2:38:31

outraged women and everyone else

2:38:33

were keeping track of who liked what,

2:38:36

and simply started writing to sponsors, and this

2:38:38

had already gone way, way beyond

2:38:43

all bounds. But what I want to say now is

2:38:45

that, well, I

2:38:49

certainly do not want to join

2:38:50

some strange chorus

2:38:52

of people who started

2:38:53

writing letters in defense of

2:38:56

Regina Todorenko.

2:38:58

Because they too very often

2:38:59

phrase things rather strangely. But I want

2:39:01

to say that, in principle, this story is

2:39:04

instructive and important. It matters from the point

2:39:07

of view of — well, the people who

2:39:10

managed, through letters,

2:39:13

through public campaigns, and also

2:39:14

through, among other things,

2:39:15

mockery — I have a great video,

2:39:17

though it is much funnier if you don’t

2:39:20

bleep out the swearing, but even with the swearing censored

2:39:23

— how can I show this on Instagram? Olya

2:39:24

Izmailova,

2:39:25

as I understand it, also some kind of activist

2:39:28

in the feminist movement, trolled her, and

2:39:32

here is that video. Let’s watch one

2:39:34

minute of it.

2:39:39

My lip isn’t split, nobody’s...

2:39:44

I wake up in the morning and I’m full of thoughts:

2:39:49

how do I make my boyfriend

2:39:53

cook dinner in the evening?

2:39:58

Should I steal some soup or...

2:40:01

...and thank God, I wasn’t beaten today either.

2:40:05

Very...

2:40:05

And what did you do?

2:40:09

That’s what I said — believe me.

2:40:14

Run, run, and...

2:40:17

a mistake on the side, now, now, now...

2:40:21

[music]

2:40:28

Take that, Regina.

2:40:30

[music]

2:40:32

So, a whole lot of impassioned women on

2:40:35

the internet really did achieve

2:40:37

a political goal and showed

2:40:39

what an enormous force they are. And essentially,

2:40:41

what was the task? To instill

2:40:43

the correct pattern of behavior. Now

2:40:45

everyone has basically been trained. That is,

2:40:48

negative reinforcement, punishment, public shaming —

2:40:50

it really worked. A person ended up losing

2:40:53

hundreds of thousands of dollars, all her contracts, and

2:40:55

she will be dealing with and remembering all this

2:40:58

for a very long time. But now, probably,

2:41:02

there should be positive

2:41:03

reinforcement. In fact, she and

2:41:05

Todorenko has already said that she

2:41:07

was terribly wrong and is offering an apology.

2:41:10

which, apparently, looks quite genuine

2:41:12

sincere — or at least she

2:41:15

put enough emotion into it for them

2:41:17

to seem sincere. They are making a series of videos

2:41:19

about people who became

2:41:22

victims of violence, and this campaign

2:41:25

was very instructive, so, well,

2:41:27

basically, proper behavior should be encouraged

2:41:29

— in other words, they got

2:41:30

Todorenko to do the right things, so

2:41:33

it seems to me that the stick has already been used here,

2:41:36

so now it’s time for the carrot, so to speak.

2:41:38

That’s how everyone should act. Many

2:41:42

people who make mistakes need to be given a way out: for that

2:41:45

they should be punished — yes, that corrects their model of

2:41:47

behavior — but if they are moving in the right

2:41:49

direction, and really going far and doing well in

2:41:52

that right direction, then they should be

2:41:54

encouraged. So probably, yes, she

2:41:56

really did stop to think seriously and realized

2:41:58

that domestic violence in Russia is not

2:42:01

what she used to imagine — like,

2:42:04

“Vlad and I had a fight, and he grabbed a bouquet

2:42:06

of tulips and smacked me with the bouquet

2:42:09

of tulips across the face.” No, that’s not it.

2:42:12

Domestic violence

2:42:13

in Russia is blood, it is horror, it is

2:42:17

people living in communal apartments (shared Soviet-style housing) chasing

2:42:19

each other around in a state of delirium tremens

2:42:22

while three-year-old children are watching it all,

2:42:24

their eyes wide like this. That’s what domestic

2:42:27

violence in Russia is. So I

2:42:31

God forbid I give advice to feminists,

2:42:34

because if you get involved, you’ll be torn to pieces,

2:42:37

nothing but horns and legs left, but it seems to me

2:42:39

that right now it is very important

2:42:41

at least to say that yes,

2:42:43

Todorenko acted absolutely

2:42:44

correctly, and this is how

2:42:48

media figures and public personalities should act

2:42:50

when they, well, blurt something out or do

2:42:53

something wrong — because that can happen

2:42:56

to many people. And in that case, go in that direction, and

2:42:59

sooner or later, at least

2:43:00

most people will forgive you.

2:43:01

I’ve broken the record for all my streams: 2 hours

2:43:04

45 minutes. But I still have one more woman to talk about,

2:43:06

and this woman is much, much less

2:43:09

pleasant

2:43:10

than Regina Todorenko. She says unpleasant things

2:43:13

far more often, and what’s more,

2:43:16

characteristically,

2:43:16

she never apologizes at all. So here are two

2:43:19

examples. In one case, there’s no need to win back

2:43:21

public opinion — the person moved in the

2:43:23

right direction. But this, on the other hand,

2:43:25

does not provoke any pleasant emotions in

2:43:28

anyone at all. In fact, it is a disgrace to our

2:43:30

country, and specifically a disgrace to the Ministry of

2:43:32

Foreign Affairs. I am, of course, talking about Maria

2:43:33

Zakharova, a monstrous woman who

2:43:37

appeared out of nowhere — I mean,

2:43:40

in terms of her views and the kind of things she says —

2:43:42

truly a monstrous woman who emerged

2:43:44

from nowhere and became one of the faces

2:43:46

and symbols of Russia. Good Lord, the things she says

2:43:48

all the time. And Kira Yarmysh, press secretary

2:43:53

of the Anti-Corruption Foundation,

2:43:54

released a video today.

2:43:55

She drew attention to a livestream of hers that

2:43:59

Zakharova recorded on Instagram

2:44:01

with Mikhail Zygar, a well-known journalist, and

2:44:03

there were some statements there that were really

2:44:05

worth paying attention to.

2:44:09

You really need to listen to this very, very carefully

2:44:12

and say everything we

2:44:14

think about it, because

2:44:15

Maria Zakharova really came out and said

2:44:17

that, you know, a whole lot of our

2:44:20

compatriots are now stranded abroad, but

2:44:22

why on earth did they rush off abroad in the first place?

2:44:24

They flew by plane even though they have

2:44:27

loans.

2:44:28

But if you want to go on vacation, then you should

2:44:30

be a wealthy person. Those things should be

2:44:32

off-limits, because vacations and air travel

2:44:34

are a privilege, they are

2:44:37

for the so-called upper class, for those

2:44:40

fancy people — people like me, like all

2:44:42

my friends,

2:44:43

all those wonderful people at

2:44:45

Alexei Venediktov’s birthday party,

2:44:47

Margarita Simonyan,

2:44:49

we can go on vacation and sunbathe, but

2:44:52

what were you doing going there? And if

2:44:54

you did go without money, then sit in the airport

2:44:56

— well, then it’s your own fault. Let’s listen.

2:45:00

At 1 minute 19 seconds in Kira’s video, there

2:45:02

is a quote from Zakharova herself:

2:45:04

Maria Zakharova believes that flying

2:45:07

on a plane is a privilege of rich people, whereas

2:45:10

many of those people had very little to their name

2:45:13

as they traveled around the world, and for them

2:45:17

air travel became something ordinary

2:45:18

because sometimes you don’t even need

2:45:21

to have money for it. She nostalgically recalls

2:45:23

her childhood, when it was available

2:45:25

to a certain class of people who had

2:45:28

the means. After school, I would come to

2:45:30

the embassy’s consular section and watch

2:45:32

my mother at work. Everything was clear

2:45:34

to me then: people who

2:45:37

have money, they

2:45:40

dress accordingly, they

2:45:42

do certain kinds of work, they travel

2:45:46

by plane, they have those

2:45:48

opportunities.

2:45:49

And people who don’t have money, they

2:45:50

travel however they can, they

2:45:53

hitchhike, they are

2:45:55

dressed accordingly, they don’t

2:45:57

lay claim to anything, they are ready to sleep, eat,

2:46:00

wait, and so on, on the floor of a train car, and so

2:46:04

on and so forth. And as for vacations, Zakharova believes

2:46:05

those aren’t for everyone either.

2:46:07

If you do not have enough

2:46:09

money and connections,

2:46:10

you have no right to travel abroad.

2:46:12

A trip abroad is an extremely serious

2:46:15

high-responsibility and very risky

2:46:17

undertaking; basically, you need

2:46:19

a fairly substantial amount of money or

2:46:22

some pretty good connections. You see how brazenly it was put?

2:46:27

It was really addressed as a caste system

2:46:29

of society. And for a person born in

2:46:33

1975, a year

2:46:34

older than me, and generally speaking, back in

2:46:37

those Soviet times, when we’re talking about

2:46:39

the late 1970s and early 1980s, flying on a

2:46:42

plane was not considered any kind of

2:46:45

luxury at all. There was a huge amount of

2:46:47

regional air travel, and in that sense

2:46:49

the Soviet Union made it so that

2:46:51

a large number of Soviet citizens

2:46:53

across that enormous Soviet country could

2:46:55

fly. It’s just strange in the 21st century

2:46:59

to even say that flying on a plane

2:47:01

is only for the elite. And this person, whose

2:47:03

mother worked in the consular department—damn,

2:47:06

in the 1970s, with a mother in the consular department,

2:47:08

this person had it made.

2:47:11

Imported jeans, all the things Soviet people dreamed of

2:47:14

just came along with

2:47:17

an elite Foreign Ministry job, and so even then she

2:47:20

already saw that there were people who

2:47:23

were entitled to things.

2:47:25

They’re decently dressed, they earn well,

2:47:27

they sit here in our wonderful

2:47:30

spacious offices, and then there are ordinary people, like,

2:47:32

there’s you, and then there’s everyone else. Right now, according to official statistics,

2:47:34

69

2:47:37

— or rather 69 percent of people — have no

2:47:39

savings at all,

2:47:43

literally zero savings, and 20-something

2:47:47

percent of people are constantly

2:47:48

in debt. And Maria

2:47:52

Zakharova immediately lumps all of them into some kind of

2:47:54

category, like: well, those people there, they don’t

2:47:56

dress properly, they’re ready to sleep

2:47:58

who knows where, doing who knows what.

2:48:00

What kind of fancy vacation, what kind of flights

2:48:02

on planes are we even talking about? So you see what kind of

2:48:05

wonderful society is being built. Actually, we

2:48:07

see a global trend that it’s normal for

2:48:10

a person to have a home with a mortgage,

2:48:12

a car on credit, to go on vacation on credit,

2:48:15

and retirees everywhere

2:48:17

travel, because that’s

2:48:19

how modern society works: you

2:48:21

get a salary, you have a job,

2:48:23

there are jobs, and you can afford

2:48:26

let’s be honest, not exactly elite

2:48:30

forms of leisure like going to Turkey or

2:48:32

Spain. That’s exactly how it works all over the world,

2:48:35

for God’s sake.

2:48:36

But this is just the basic level of recreation.

2:48:39

A person has a right to rest. But Maria

2:48:41

Zakharova sees society differently. She

2:48:45

sees it as a kind of

2:48:46

elite, an establishment, and then simply everyone

2:48:48

else, who apparently shouldn’t be going

2:48:50

abroad. It’s a dangerous undertaking,

2:48:52

very risky, very expensive. First

2:48:54

check your means: do you

2:48:58

have enough money, are your

2:49:00

clothes clean enough? If you’re just

2:49:02

some student

2:49:03

who’s going somewhere just to

2:49:06

stay in a hostel—why the hell did you even go there?

2:49:08

It’s not for you. You might even be standing in

2:49:11

line next to Maria Zakharova and on the plane

2:49:14

stain her clothes, and who knows what you’re

2:49:16

doing with your backpack, bumping into her. She has so little

2:49:19

time for all this.

2:49:20

She works at the Foreign Ministry now, she’s all

2:49:22

super-elite.

2:49:23

She’s out there presenting herself and drawing the conclusion:

2:49:26

go enjoy your little luxuries somewhere else.

2:49:27

You go off to your Turkeys and Spains,

2:49:30

and then Maria Zakharova has to

2:49:33

pull you out of there, supposedly deal with

2:49:37

the fact that, with your own tax money, they have to hire

2:49:39

a plane for you and bring you back. That’s unacceptable,

2:49:41

it’s outrageous. How dare you,

2:49:44

how dare you bother these wonderful people in

2:49:47

their clean clothes. Well, in terms of how anti-social

2:49:50

these statements are,

2:49:53

Todorenko still outdid Zakharova. But

2:49:56

Todorenko is just a person,

2:49:58

a famous Instagram blogger, singer,

2:50:01

TV host, whatever—but still a private

2:50:02

individual.

2:50:03

But here we have a government

2:50:05

official who, in all seriousness,

2:50:07

is saying that there are, basically, elites,

2:50:09

and then there are just ordinary people, people from

2:50:11

Kemerovo (a Siberian industrial city),

2:50:12

and they can’t fly anywhere. Everything should be arranged differently.

2:50:15

That is, if you

2:50:16

don’t have enough, if you’ve got

2:50:19

a mortgage on your apartment, a loan on your

2:50:20

car, then you supposedly have no right

2:50:22

to have a normal vacation, to fly on a plane

2:50:25

to Sochi or Turkey—you have no right, because

2:50:27

you’re not a good enough person.

2:50:30

You’re just a serf, a [__], who

2:50:33

is supposed to serve these wonderful people. For

2:50:35

them, we open doors; for you, we

2:50:37

do nothing. And I mean, just

2:50:40

watch this broadcast—it’s on

2:50:42

Instagram and on YouTube.

2:50:45

We should not put up with government

2:50:47

officials talking like this. And nobody has yet

2:50:48

forced her to apologize—not at the Foreign Ministry, and no one

2:50:50

has slapped her down. Public opinion

2:50:52

is applying absolutely no pressure, and that leads to

2:50:54

officials continuing to talk like this

2:50:55

because, it has to be said,

2:50:57

Igor is sitting there, Misha is sitting there—someone I think very

2:50:59

highly of—nodding along. Well,

2:51:01

say it: “Maria, even if you think that,

2:51:05

you cannot say it like that, because

2:51:08

you are a government official.”

2:51:10

These people are so poor because they pay you

2:51:14

such an undeservedly large

2:51:16

salary, you useless, talentless

2:51:19

the person who is there with her at all in

2:51:21

some unclear

2:51:22

either, I don't know

2:51:24

whether she's drunk or just pretending to be drunk

2:51:27

a constant beach-party of "Kalinka-Malinka" (a famous Russian folk song)

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and we're paying for all of this, so

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so pay for him, pay for him there at

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Putin's daughter has it too, so they have become

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poor, and so they have to buy everything

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on credit — you drove them into that

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so even if you think that, you do not

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have the right to say it, and if you do

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say that, then you have no business being in

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public service, in state service

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you have no place in public service

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and we need to get this burden off our backs and not

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pay them another kopeck, not one more penny, so here

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here we saw a good example of when

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both the stick and the carrot were used in relation to

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a private individual

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but in relation to a government

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employee, this should be applied almost

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for three hours

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93,000 people stayed with the live broadcast until the end

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until the end. I salute you, thank you

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very much — you're the toughest, well done

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I hope you found it interesting. See you

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next Thursday. Bye

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