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Good evening, everyone. It is exactly 8:00 p.m. in Moscow.

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That means the program *Russia of the Future* is live on air,

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and I am its permanent host,

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Alexei Navalny—or,

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as the Tsargrad TV channel called me this week,

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“the man who rudely insulted Vladimir Putin.”

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I hope all of you are alive and well,

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that you are observing the self-isolation regime,

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staying at home and not going anywhere

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unless absolutely necessary, and doing

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everything you can so that your relatives,

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especially those who belong to the older generation,

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have the chance to truly

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self-isolate properly. You

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help them by following precautions,

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buying groceries for them, and

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in general, preferably not doing anything

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that would require them to leave the house. Please send

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your questions on Twitter with the hashtag

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#RussiaOfTheFuture. I will answer them.

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I can already see a very funny

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question from Yuri Lopukhov: Do you

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think that in the middle of the epidemic the authorities

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might try to get rid of

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opposition figures and blame it all on the virus?

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Well, you mean, they’ll start finding

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opposition activists with smashed-in heads

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and say the virus is mowing people down—no one is sitting there,

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just the virus. In reality, our authorities—

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as we can see, and we’ll talk about this

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in some detail today—

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during a crisis, of course, always

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act very strangely, nervously, and

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in a confused way. They always try to present themselves

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as these tough guys,

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but now a real major

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crisis has happened, and they do not know what to do. But

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without a doubt, they will try in some way

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to resort to various

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petty and illegal tricks in order

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to somehow

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—you can’t even call this muddy water—

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to extract some benefit

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from this horrible environment where

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these viruses are floating around. For example, I have no

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doubt that they will try,

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even when, I hope, this virus is over,

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to keep banning any

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mass events for as long as possible.

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We will almost certainly see mandatory

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quarantines where people are locked up, and then try

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figuring out whether they actually have coronavirus

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or not—but they will be placed under

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quarantine, effectively under house arrest.

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That cannot be ruled out either. So, well,

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our authorities lie, steal, and

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cheat, so something like that could

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very well happen. And since I’ve started answering

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questions, let me grab one more right away.

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Sakhare asks me: “Alexei, why do you think

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troops are being moved into

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Moscow?” There are already videos of this all over the internet.

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I’ve seen videos on Twitter too,

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on Facebook—some military convoys,

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but honestly, for now it seems to me

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that this is either made up, or

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just some routine troop movement

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being presented as troops being massed

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in Moscow. It is hard for me to

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imagine a situation arising

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where Moscow would need to be blocked off

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by troops. That would already be some kind of

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zombie apocalypse—people running around and being

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shot from armored personnel carriers. Unlikely. I

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don’t think so. But

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I do know for sure that the police

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have been put on heightened alert.

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Stricter quarantine measures

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may be introduced, and police officers may,

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as in Italy now, walk the streets and tell everyone,

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“Go back inside.” That could

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happen. But actually massing troops would be

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pretty stupid. Not to mention that

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bringing troops together somewhere means

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all those troops will infect one another.

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Of course, the troops are mostly made up

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of young people, but they also have

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commanders and other people who are

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older. I think they understand too

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what that could lead to. And this whole

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coronavirus situation

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has completely pushed aside the entire news agenda.

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You can see it: no one is discussing

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anything else anymore. Any other news

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is completely relegated to the margins.

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And that is obvious, because our

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entire way of life has changed completely.

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It may change even more. This is

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a kind of enormous experiment on

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humanity, unfolding in many

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different areas. For example,

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take the sphere of

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distance education,

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where this is truly a massive experiment:

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students who used to study in person

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are now all studying remotely. And

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that includes university students, schoolchildren, poor performers,

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solid students, and top students alike. And after

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some time, we will have a huge

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amount of data that will let us

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finally understand whether

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distance learning is actually effective

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or not. That is one small point. Of course, there is

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far, far more that is negative. I

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simply want to urge that

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when we discuss coronavirus, we

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should still pay attention and keep track—we must not

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forget about other

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news and events that are

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happening and have happened. And it seemed right to me

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to begin today’s program

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by recalling that two

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years ago, a terrible, horrifying

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tragedy occurred that shook and

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united the entire country. It is hard for me

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to remember another event that

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also, well,

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Obviously, coronavirus is a much bigger issue,

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but nevertheless this was the main topic

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of discussion for several days.

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The whole country was genuinely horrified, grieving

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and crying. This was the infamous fire at Winter

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Cherry (the Zimnyaya Vishnya shopping mall in Kemerovo), when 60 people died, of whom

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37 were children. Let’s watch this

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29-second video of what it looked like.

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Remember, at the time we watched all of this

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in real horror. These live images were simply

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online just

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unbearable to watch.

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rescuers. If it is possible to use them

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during emergency

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rescue operations.

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You can see—you just saw this

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Winter Cherry shopping mall after

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the active phase of the fire had

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been extinguished; it was still smoldering

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for several more days. And two years have passed, yet

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the investigation is still ongoing there. And unfortunately, very few people

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are following that investigation,

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and very few people understand at all what is

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happening there. And the worst thing is that, basically,

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you can’t say that any

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lessons were learned, and you can’t say that

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those responsible were punished. There were also

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repeated rallies, and in

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Kemerovo there were huge protests, uh, back

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then. But what is happening now?

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The investigation is already in its final stage. And

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the most senior person who has been charged

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is the head of the local EMERCOM (Russia’s Ministry of Emergency Situations). That’s it. And we have not

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seen any systemic, truly

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major systemic changes

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not the kind where they say, let’s

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send inspectors around to check all

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the shopping malls. No, we have not seen

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any systemic changes in this

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very permit-and-approval system, where for

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money you can always get any

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authorization you want. It worked that way before,

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and it still works that way. Yesterday I was

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on air on Echo of Moscow with Yegor Zhukov, and he

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asked me this question: “Alexei, you

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are aiming for leadership, so

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why do you keep focusing on

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such a small and narrow issue as

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corruption?” And at the time, well, I

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said that I simply believe that

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corruption is one of the key

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problems. And the political regime is built

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on corruption. But unfortunately I did not think of

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this example. And the day before yesterday, I think, Poland

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extradited

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the co-owner of Winter Cherry, finally, to

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Russia. And he is accused of

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paying a bribe to the local fire safety

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inspectorate—7 million rubles (about $90,000 at the time)—so that

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his property would not be inspected. And accordingly,

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it was not inspected for five years,

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after which all this happened.

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And the thing is that, as we can see, well,

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in this specific

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case corruption became the cause of people’s deaths.

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And more broadly,

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it is the cause of the system’s overall rot, because

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everything is arranged exactly this way. It’s just that

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here, tragically and horrifically, 60

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people burned to death. And in all the other places, well,

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fortunately, no tragic situations

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have occurred, so exactly the same thing

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continues to happen. We saw no

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resignations, no punishments,

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no reckoning at the highest levels of EMERCOM, where

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absolutely everything is rotten, everything has decayed,

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especially in this area of fire

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protection, and in the sphere of obtaining any

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permits, sanitary [ __ ] permits. Everything

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is done for money, absolutely everything. And here

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we simply have one specific case

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where once again we saw a 7 million ruble bribe.

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No inspections, and complete—uh—they give you

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all the paperwork in full, after which

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people die. The outlet Baza released a full

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documentary about this. I’ll show 30 seconds of it.

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It’s simply a demonstration of just how

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fundamentally wrong everything there

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was done.

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Investigators from the Investigative Committee were documenting everything

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that might point to the cause of the fire or

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to ways it could have been prevented. Here,

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for example, on the fourth floor they

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noticed two cabinets with fire hose valves.

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And look at this photo. Here is the valve with

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the handwheel for turning on the water. The fire hose

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is supposed to connect here. See,

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the thread is male. And here is another photo—this is

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the hose itself. And as you can see, its thread

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is also male. So what does that mean?

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It means that physically it was impossible

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to connect them. And it was like this in every fire

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cabinet. The hoses were just placed there

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for show.

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Great that the Investigative Committee officers are now

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walking through the ashes, photographing these

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hoses, and seeing that the threads are the wrong

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type. But we understand very well

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—someone from “Chel Democracy” is asking me:

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“Alexei, who do you think is to blame for

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this Winter Cherry tragedy?” Every

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tragedy has specific people responsible. There,

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part of the blame lies directly with

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the firefighters, who acted improperly

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during that situation.

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Of course, and, properly speaking, the

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people who took bribes first and foremost,

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the people who paid bribes, and in general

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the entire permit-and-approval system of Russia and

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of Kemerovo Region—the governor, Tuleyev,

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effectively created within Russia

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a small mafia-style gangster

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state. And in Kemerovo Region everything

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was decided, and still is decided, exactly this way. For

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money. Well, in reality the police there are

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quite simply real bandits.

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are simply no different from

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bandits. And all the authorities in Kemerovo

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Region are just outright

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bandits. They do everything in exactly this

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way. Fine then. They found a local

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EMERCOM official (Russia's Ministry of Emergency Situations), uh, and jailed him. But Tuleyev,

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and all the others? We understand that

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major facilities like a large

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shopping mall in the city center

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paid everyone off. And the owner of that shopping

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mall paid officials, he paid

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sanitary inspectors, he simply paid

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the local administration. Bribes were delivered to

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everyone, and everyone took part in it. But more broadly,

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the whole country is structured in exactly

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the same way. And, uh, everyone kind of

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hoped that after this terrible

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tragedy there would at least be some kind of, uh,

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discussion about how, even if, obviously, on the whole

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Putin's system is corrupt,

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still, at least within this corrupt

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system, we might create some kind of

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segment of the permitting

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documentation where, well, corruption

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can't be eradicated, but it wouldn't be

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on such a scale that it could lead

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to tragedies. Absolutely none of that

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happened. They just, like, forgot about it, and that was that.

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They found scapegoats and jailed

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the scapegoats. Some families are still

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crying. Every year they light candles,

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with photos of the children who died. And the state

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has moved on and no longer looks back. And

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the new fire safety chief gets

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a new 7 million rubles from the new mall director

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(about $75,000). Because those are the rules,

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and they tell each other: "It's not that we're

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like this, it's life that's like this." Because

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that really is how everything is set up, and

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life should not be arranged this way. 40,000

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And

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coronavirus

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won't let me move on—no, let's put it this way,

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coronavirus won't let Tatyana Navka get away

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without my mentioning her on my

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broadcast, because nobody is noticing this.

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It's terribly frustrating. Terribly

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frustrating that, as I already said,

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coronavirus has swallowed up absolutely the entire

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news agenda, while right now

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there is an absolutely astonishing,

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wild corruption scandal unfolding, involving

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the

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wife of the press secretary—uh,

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the press secretary to the President of Russia,

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Dmitry Peskov. They are quite a

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corrupt couple. We'll talk about Peskov

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more later. This week he angered the whole country

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by saying that it was a very good idea

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to tax bank deposits of, uh,

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one million rubles (about $10,700). We'll talk about

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that. But right now we're talking about Tatyana

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Navka, and a very interesting thing is happening with her.

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She has an ice

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show. Obviously, she's a woman with resources. Well,

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besides that, she really is a genuine,

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the real deal—not just a figure skater, but a

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talented athlete. I mean,

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she's a corrupt and hypocritical woman,

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but nevertheless she's a talented

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athlete and skates in her ice show.

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She put on a show, and among others

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it features the famous young figure skater

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Alina Zagitova. But since these are

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crooks, they can't do things any other way. And what do

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crooks do? Well, there's this man,

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the vice president of the Moscow Figure Skating

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Federation and deputy head of the Khrustalny Ice

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Palace. His name is Eduard

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Aksyonov. And this Eduard Aksyonov is playing

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the role of his life. I'll still be

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talking about the investigation into

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these parasites. Many of you probably saw

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how Margarita Simonyan got 9 million rubles (about $96,000)

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for a screenplay. But this guy did something even

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more outrageous. So, there's an ice show. And, uh,

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this ice show takes in money from

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ticket sales and pays fees. So there,

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Zagitova gets some fee,

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Navka probably gets some kind of

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fee—she gets

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6.5 million rubles (about $69,000) for taking part in this show. Pyotr

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Chernyshev, I don't know, probably some

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well-known figure skater, also gets 3 million

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rubles (about $32,000). And this Aksyonov

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supposedly performs some role there and gets

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8 million rubles (about $85,000) for it. While formally

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speaking a government official, he is with the

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Moscow Figure Skating Federation, meaning he

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effectively works for the Moscow sports authorities,

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yet he gets 8 million rubles. The thing is,

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he doesn't skate there. There is no such

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role. They literally invented a

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fictional role in this show so that

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this official could receive 8 million rubles.

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So Navka is effectively

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handing over

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a bribe, simply legalizing it through

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a fake contract for, uh, the provision of

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some kind of acting services by this very

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Eduard Aksyonov, and in this way she is simply handing over

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a bribe to the deputy head

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of the ice palace. And now, of course,

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a scandal has erupted, though not as big as

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one might have hoped, because once again

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coronavirus. And, uh, well, they were basically backed

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all up against the wall and told: "Well, 8 million rubles

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(about 80,000-90,000 USD) are there. Please, just look at the man,

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he doesn’t dance on the ice. No double

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toe loops, no triple toe loops, no

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toe loops at all. He just sits there in his

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office room, collecting 8 million

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rubles. And Navka gave an absolutely astonishing

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comment. She said:

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"Indeed, the question arose as to why

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Eduard Aksyonov received money but did not

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skate in the show. He really did not

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skate; he is not a figure skater at all." So

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they drew up a contract for him, damn it, for

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participation in an ice show, but he isn’t even

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a figure skater. And she goes on to explain:

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"The thing is that Alina Zagitova

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is a minor, and under

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Russian law she cannot have

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her own sole proprietorship." Therefore Eduard Aksyonov

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with the agreement of Alina’s parents

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represented, and continues to represent,

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the figure skater’s interests. Everything is in strict

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compliance with the law.

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My God, what brazen people they are, and what

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idiots they really take us for.

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So, Zagitova can take part in

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all championships, she can receive

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fees, she can enter into

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advertising contracts. I mean,

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it doesn’t matter that she is a minor and

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cannot register a sole proprietorship. Why would she

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need one at all?

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A person who is one day old

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can still be arranged to receive

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money; you can sign a contract with their

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parents. No problem. You can pay money

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to a person of any age. So, I mean,

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they are just blatantly lying. And I’m very

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interested to see how they are going to wriggle out of

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this situation. Because

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this is simply a fake contract, an obvious

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forgery. An official, and moreover the

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deputy head of this palace, receives 8

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million rubles under a fake contract.

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The explanation is a complete lie. In other words,

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Peskov’s wife has been caught in her

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corruption scheme. I’m very

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interested to see what happens next, and I urge all of you

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to keep an eye on this, because

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well, they’ll hush it up, using the epidemic as a

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distraction. A quick shuffle here and there,

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people will basically stop discussing all this,

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and Navka will go back to her usual

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business, buying another watch for 37 million

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rubles (about 370,000-400,000 USD), or however much those

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watches they give each other cost. It’s very important

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to keep this issue alive. So just

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follow what is happening, and I will also

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keep watching and report on it here.

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And we must not leave this whole disgusting corrupt

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family alone

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for a single second. 48,000 people are watching us

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live. That’s really cool, actually.

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Well, actually 50,000 people are watching

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live. I’m already being corrected here.

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You’re all sitting at home in quarantine, you’re

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all bored, so you’re all watching

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the program. I’m very glad. They say that

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YouTube is now going to reduce streaming speeds.

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So far that hasn’t happened, but

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I hope it won’t, and that

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we won’t end up in a situation where

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we’re all locked at home and our only

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friend is the internet. And then, bang,

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the internet slows down and we can’t

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watch anything. And Anna Vaska, Anna

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Vaska One says: "Alexei, please tell

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my husband

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to disinfect his hands. He’ll definitely

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believe you. Dear husband, I’m honestly

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surprised that anyone needs to tell you such an

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elementary thing. There are actually

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a lot of people now who call

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themselves COVID dissidents, and they

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say that all of this is really

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not that important, that the death rate

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is indeed low, 1 or 3 percent, nobody

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really knows. But in any case, you often

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hear this line of thinking: "Well, where are these

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mountains of corpses? Please show us." So,

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there’s quarantine, so much talk, but where are the

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people dying in the streets? And there are no people

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dying in the streets. I hope we

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never, ever see that. But if everything

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goes wrong, then there will be many

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people dying in hospitals. Those people, uh,

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will most often, unfortunately, be elderly

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people. Though young people, as we know,

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are dying now too. People are getting sick. Lev

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Leshchenko (a famous Russian singer) is currently in serious condition

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in the hospital. Boris Akunin (a well-known Russian writer) wrote today on

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Facebook that he also has

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coronavirus. So, dear husband,

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do it, if not for yourself—if you are

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a COVID dissident—then for the rest of

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your family. You grab onto something somewhere in the metro

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and bring this virus home,

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infecting everyone there. And maybe

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you’ll get off lightly and just

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spend a day in bed. Maybe you’ll carry it

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without symptoms and not even notice, or maybe not.

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Are you really prepared to expose your own family even to

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a one-percent

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chance of death? Probably

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not. So please wash

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your hands constantly, and put

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these little bottles everywhere, if you can still

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buy them, filled with disinfectant.

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That is the simplest thing we

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can do, and we must do it.

20:28

Uh, General Shoigu,

20:31

uh, dragged our Ruslan Shaveddinov off to

20:33

Novaya Zemlya (a remote Russian Arctic archipelago), and also somehow

20:37

showed off in a completely hellish way in this

20:39

last week, and he was speaking in the Federation

20:42

Council. And of course, he was talking about

20:45

how, uh, around Russia

20:49

hordes of terrible pro-Western

20:53

liberals are gathering. And all Western countries,

20:55

of course, are sharpening their daggers and weaving

20:58

their intrigues against Mother Russia. And so he

21:01

was speaking in this Federation Council, and well, I mean

21:04

obviously, he was talking nonsense. Shoigu

21:06

is talking nonsense. In general, basically, these days

21:08

any official is always talking nonsense,

21:11

because whenever they are asked about pretty much

21:13

anything, they start talking

21:15

about the terrible West. About absolutely anything.

21:18

But what is monstrous is that the entire

21:20

Federation Council is sitting there, applauding him or

21:22

nodding along. Here is a man saying:

21:25

"Nonsense!" And there sits a whole gang

21:27

of idlers, each of whom earns

21:29

half a million rubles a month (about several thousand U.S. dollars). And they nod,

21:31

saying, "Well done, Sergei Kuzhugetovich,

21:32

let's hear him out." Western countries

21:34

regularly accuse Russia of involvement

21:38

in high-profile incidents such as

21:40

interference in U.S. elections,

21:42

various hacking attacks, concealment of

21:45

combat losses, and so on. In our

21:48

country, these claims are picked up by the

21:52

pro-Western opposition division,

21:54

regularly trained abroad.

21:57

Sheltering behind media laws,

21:59

its activists try

22:01

to infiltrate military facilities, hunt

22:04

for relatives and witnesses,

22:08

push their way into hospitals where our

22:11

wounded and sick are being treated, into cemeteries and to

22:14

memorial gatherings

22:16

and into the families of our fallen boys,

22:19

film the entrances and exits of our restricted

22:21

facilities and post them online. One can

22:24

imagine what kind of liability they would face

22:27

in Western countries. This area

22:29

requires further legislative

22:31

regulation.

22:34

About the pro-Western opposition division. And,

22:37

of course, this area requires

22:38

legislative regulation. In other words,

22:40

ban something again. How about you

22:42

just stop lying. Here he is

22:44

contradicting himself. He says: "They

22:47

accuse us of covering up

22:48

combat losses." Well, you are covering them up.

22:50

You really are hiding them. And no one would

22:54

be running around cemeteries filming

22:56

random graves if you would just stop

22:57

hiding it, for heaven's sake. But this is simply

23:00

disrespectful toward our own

23:02

soldiers. If you send them somewhere

23:04

to Syria, in whatever capacity, as

23:06

contract soldiers, regular servicemen, or

23:08

members of Wagner PMC (a Russian private military company), whatever you call it, they are

23:11

still Russian citizens. We do not

23:13

really understand what they are fighting for there in

23:14

Syria, but if they die, why are you

23:17

hiding all of this? Why do you keep

23:19

lying endlessly? And with Shevedin, what

23:21

is happening is still completely

23:23

unclear — no one knows where the person is.

23:25

The Ministry of Defense comes out and

23:26

says: "He has contacted his relatives. He has

23:29

such-and-such status, he is in such-and-such

23:31

unit." But he does not call. And he is supposed to have

23:34

a phone. He is supposed to make a call at least once a week.

23:36

We do not know where

23:37

he was taken. They literally kidnapped

23:40

the man, took him to Novaya Zemlya (a remote Russian Arctic archipelago), and are holding him

23:42

in a status somewhere between a prisoner and a

23:44

hostage.

23:45

And on top of that, they blame the pro-Western

23:47

opposition division. They do not like it

23:49

that we are poking around and trying to

23:51

find things out. Well, of course we are trying

23:52

to find out why you kidnapped a person. And,

23:55

not to mention that, well, good grief,

23:57

look,

23:57

I have already said that EMERCOM (Russia's Ministry of Emergency Situations) is one of the

24:01

most corrupt agencies. This whole, uh,

24:03

halo that has been created

24:05

around Shoigu, as if he created

24:08

some kind of super-efficient rescue

24:10

ministry — he created no such thing. It is

24:13

an absolutely hyper-corrupt,

24:16

inefficient system in which people now

24:18

are paid next to nothing. These

24:21

EMERCOM rescue workers write to us at

24:24

FBK (the Anti-Corruption Foundation) all the time, saying, guys,

24:27

pay attention to us. They raise salaries for these people,

24:29

and for those people, but for us

24:30

they pay practically nothing. There are these

24:32

cushy, lucrative positions. Those are exactly

24:35

the ones where

24:36

all sorts of fire-safety approvals get signed off. And

24:39

everything else is just poverty,

24:41

destitution, and collapse — there is nothing. And meanwhile

24:45

there are just super-rich people: Shoigu,

24:50

whose house we showed a few years

24:52

ago, and all his deputies — they are all

24:54

millionaires and multimillionaires,

24:57

you understand? Yet they pin medals all over themselves,

25:00

climb onto the stage, and lecture us about the

25:03

pro-Western opposition division. Every one of

25:05

them has an account in the West. Every

25:07

single one. Maybe not in Switzerland, but

25:09

somewhere, I do not know, in the Middle East, in the

25:11

broader foreign "West." All of them

25:14

keep money abroad. All of them live

25:16

in direct luxury. All of them are

25:18

multimillionaires, but damn it, they lecture us and

25:20

demand measures of legislative

25:22

regulation. It is simply outrageous.

25:25

Dig, dig, dig and find. Apparently,

25:29

that is the username. Fourteen planes flew to Italy.

25:31

There are no masks in our pharmacies, and they are going to take 13%

25:34

from bank deposits. We will talk about

25:36

that. Ah, just before the program

25:39

I saw an excellent tweet by Vladimir

25:41

Varfolomeyev, head of the news service at

25:43

Echo of Moscow, who, uh, was complaining

25:46

about Minister Manturov, who two weeks

25:49

ago said, "Guys, don't buy

25:51

any antiseptics, don't buy

25:53

any disinfectants, because

25:56

you're rushing out in a panic and clearing everything off the shelves."

25:59

In a week, everything will be supplied, everything

26:01

will be in abundance. Our government will produce everything,

26:03

our industry

26:05

is capable. There's nothing.

26:07

Go to a pharmacy and try to buy this

26:08

little bottle of disinfecting

26:12

liquid. You won't be able to

26:14

do it. There are no masks, no—there's nothing. Well,

26:16

we'll talk more about this now, but it's just

26:18

all terrible that they can't even manage

26:22

the most basic things

26:24

at all.

26:26

And

26:28

yesterday, on that very broadcast on Echo

26:31

of Moscow (a Russian radio station), where I was with Yegor Zhukov, he

26:34

—look, on the Echo of Moscow website there's

26:36

a transcript posted, there's both a transcript and

26:39

video. And, well, he was, uh, grilling

26:41

me. It was very interesting. I really

26:43

liked the broadcast. And I liked Zhukov too.

26:45

I hadn't met him before. And he,

26:49

well, asked me: "So, you

26:50

held this rally and achieved nothing."

26:52

You organized such a rally and achieved

26:54

nothing. You said a lot of things,

26:57

but you accomplished nothing. What

26:59

did you achieve? Now I can say. I

27:01

achieved this. The FBK (Anti-Corruption Foundation) achieved this:

27:03

Margarita Simonyan has been silent for four days

27:06

in a row. She's an absolutely relentless person,

27:08

someone who is practically bursting

27:11

from the inside if she's not sitting on Twitter

27:13

or on her Telegram channel praising her

27:15

boss. For four days she's kept her mouth shut

27:20

or, I don't know, stuffed her mouth with some kind of,

27:23

I don't know, beaver meat or something

27:26

like that—and stayed silent.

27:29

And that is, of course, thanks to the second part

27:32

of our investigation, *Parasites*, which

27:34

we released on Tuesday. I think that,

27:37

of course, this is quite a painful blow

27:40

for these family parasites, because

27:42

in fact, this film *The Crimean Bridge*

27:44

was made as a gift for Putin. They

27:47

kept saying it was being made as

27:49

a gift for Putin and were feeding everyone

27:52

a line. They really love talking about

27:53

what philanthropists they are, what good

27:55

people. And I have no doubt that they

27:58

went around all their superiors and told them how

28:01

wonderfully they made this film, what a great one it was,

28:03

using Film Fund money, and that they didn't take a kopeck

28:06

for themselves. And we simply came along and

28:08

explained that they took for themselves approximately

28:09

everything—they just stole it all. And now even by

28:12

their own internal-understanding system,

28:14

why is Simonyan sitting quietly there and saying

28:17

nothing? Because even by the standards

28:19

of these crooks, on this film

28:23

they obviously had no right to steal

28:26

that much, and now they are in a very

28:29

difficult situation. Well, the film is up on

28:31

the main channel. Let me remind you—1

28:35

minute 16 seconds—what it's about.

28:37

So, there are 100 million rubles (about 100 million RUB), and filming can begin.

28:40

But before that, they need to assemble

28:42

the film crew.

28:54

Kiosayan: David Kiosayan, Tigran's daughter

28:57

Laura Kiosayan, the wife of Tigran Kiosayan's brother's son,

29:01

Yunona Glotova. Alexander

29:04

Kiosayan—Tigran's daughter, second director.

29:07

Edmond Kiasayan, David's son, line

29:10

producer. And even Alyona Khmelnitskaya,

29:12

Tigran Kiosayan's ex-wife. And she

29:15

appeared in this film too. 9 million rubles (RUB).

29:19

That is exactly how much of the Film Fund money

29:21

was transferred to Margarita's personal

29:24

account. To Tigran Kiosayan's account at

29:26

Sberbank went 14 million rubles (RUB) for his services as

29:29

director and music producer.

29:31

The final financial breakdown, taking into account

29:33

money from Putin's friend Rotenberg,

29:35

looks like this: some relatively

29:37

substantial money was spent on

29:38

computer graphics and equipment

29:40

rental. The rest is far less

29:43

significant. And any, any expenses on

29:46

the picture simply pale in comparison to

29:48

the parasites' fees. They receive 30% of

29:52

the film's total budget.

29:55

When we started working on this

29:57

investigation, *Parasites*, well, we immediately

29:59

saw that they were stealing a lot of

30:01

money in the production of this

30:02

disgusting program, uh, *International

30:05

Sawmill*. And we understood that with

30:08

*The Crimean Bridge*, there would be something there. Because

30:10

these are the kind of people who simply cannot help but

30:12

steal. Basically, everything

30:13

they do, they do with the idea that

30:16

something can be stolen from it. But of course,

30:19

I didn't suspect, and none of us

30:21

suspected that this could be done

30:22

so openly. Just go ahead and

30:24

pay yourself 9 million rubles (RUB) for the screenplay.

30:28

Everywhere, in every interview, emphasizing

30:31

—we didn't force them to say it—in every

30:32

interview they said they wrote it in the evenings, that it was

30:35

a hobby. Why? Because

30:37

it was a gift. Because Margarita

30:40

went to her main job—glorifying

30:42

her boss. She got very tired, but

30:44

still came home and stole away

30:47

minutes from her children, from her loved ones, from

30:51

cooking, from the things she loved. She took

30:54

time just to sit there

30:56

and secretly write the screenplay for

30:58

*The Crimean Bridge*. What a heroine. And then—bang—

31:01

9 million rubles (RUB). More expensive than a screenplay by the most

31:05

renowned screenwriter in Russia. And that is,

31:07

of course, well, that's why they are

31:09

silent now—they're suffering now. Well, the Film

31:11

Fund allocated 100 million rubles (RUB), and they took it

31:13

half of it, 50. This is, of course, well, this is

31:16

really something criminal. And

31:19

right now, of course, there won’t be any criminal case there

31:20

there won’t, there won’t be one, they’ll hush it all up. But how are they

31:24

supposed later, this Cinema Fund, to deal with

31:28

other directors, and with other

31:30

producers, and how are they supposed to build

31:32

relationships at all, when now everyone knows that,

31:33

guys, you can’t make

31:36

any claims against anyone over misuse of funds.

31:39

If out of 100 million rubles, Simonyan and Kiasayan

31:42

took 50, and took it, uh, well, like

31:45

directly there—and what’s more, we only counted

31:48

the direct expenses. Well, there, if there is

31:50

a contract, Simonyan gets 9 million rubles, Kiasayan

31:53

gets 14 million rubles. We added it all up

31:56

and saw that overall, from the budget, with

31:58

Rotenberg’s money included, they took for themselves

32:00

30%, and 50% of the Cinema Fund’s money. But people

32:03

who understand film later told us

32:05

already said, guys, look here,

32:07

here’s Kiasayan’s brother, uh, David, he pays himself

32:11

13 million rubles there as a producer. Plus

32:15

he hires two producer’s assistants, uh, and

32:18

pays them there—his son and his son’s wife, I think

32:21

his son and his son’s wife—and pays them 3–4 million rubles there.

32:24

Plus, look, another 8 million rubles.

32:27

for the production team. You understand,

32:29

that those three people are

32:32

the production team. So that money

32:33

was stolen too. Same thing with the directing

32:36

team. There’s director Kiasayan, 14

32:39

million rubles. His daughter, the second director, 4

32:43

or 5 million rubles, I don’t remember off the top of my head.

32:45

And then there’s also the directing team, also

32:47

several million rubles there. That’s them

32:49

too. So in fact, the amount

32:52

stolen was even greater. But we

32:54

just didn’t want to get into those

32:56

film-industry weeds. We just did it the way

32:59

people who don’t understand film would do it:

33:01

we simply looked at the budget estimate and saw everything.

33:04

These are, of course, astonishingly greedy

33:07

people. And to just steal like this right under

33:11

the noses of Putin and Rotenberg over

33:14

the very holiest thing they have,

33:17

the Crimean Bridge, well, that’s really something.

33:19

And it’s interesting. We monitor

33:22

the reaction, including the reaction of various

33:24

pro-government guys to our film.

33:27

And, well, naturally, all

33:29

the opposition people are outraged, all

33:30

normal people are outraged. But there is

33:33

this Konstantin Rykov—old internet-timers

33:36

will remember one of the most

33:38

disgusting things there ever was

33:41

that the Russian

33:42

internet had seen, back when the show

33:44

*International Sawmill* (a Russian political satire TV show) didn’t exist yet. Before that, the most

33:47

disgusting and vile thing was this

33:49

KontrTV, which was made by Kremlin

33:52

political strategist Rykov together with this

33:54

crook Anton Krasovsky, who

33:56

now works for Rusha Today

33:58

and another crook, Sergei Minaev. It was

34:00

some completely, well,

34:02

disgusting, pathetic show. Nobody

34:03

watched it. They shut it down, as I understand it,

34:05

after siphoning off a huge amount

34:07

of money there. And now they’ve remade

34:09

the program, and someone sends me a clip of it. He

34:12

says: “Look at what these

34:13

pro-Kremlin people are saying about Margarita

34:15

Simonyan. It’s very interesting. Let’s

34:16

listen.”

34:17

The complaint there, in my view, is

34:19

an aesthetic one about this film. It’s awful.

34:21

You just want to turn it off immediately

34:23

on aesthetic grounds. A film’s function is to be

34:25

beautiful aesthetically. And moreover,

34:28

well, to carry some meaning, you know,

34:29

you can’t just engage in pure speculation

34:31

using the word “Crimea.” That’s, that’s what

34:34

my personal complaint is, and it’s a very awful

34:38

simply disgraceful execution. There are, uh,

34:42

certain people to whom, well, film

34:44

shouldn’t be entrusted at all. Uh, this is

34:49

exactly what the Crimean Bridge is an example of,

34:51

that films like this are better not

34:53

made at all, so as not to disgrace yourself.”

34:55

Well, maybe Tigran Kiasayan has

34:57

some good film to his name. I haven’t

34:58

heard of it, to be honest. So. Well, this is

35:01

just a very bad project, uh, from the very

35:04

beginning, and a very bad story. And all

35:06

the people who got involved in it and

35:09

knowing the film was bad, said: “Oh,

35:11

how wonderful it is, oh, how

35:12

marvelous it is.” In reality, well,

35:15

God will judge you all. If you

35:18

call it

35:19

marvelous, it won’t become marvelous

35:20

because of that,

35:21

right? How much are writers’ fees

35:23

for books, for example? Obviously there

35:25

are certain models by which this is

35:27

calculated. There are also

35:28

certain models for how—well,

35:30

there is, yes, of course, a market. Of course,

35:33

9 million rubles, uh, that’s, let’s say,

35:37

about twice too much for—well, no, for this

35:40

project, I really don’t know. I think

35:42

here, well, what, did this film even have

35:45

a script?

35:48

You’ve just seen a conversation not among opposition figures, but

35:50

from Putin’s chief internet man. Well,

35:52

maybe he’s no longer the chief one now, and that

35:54

same Margarita Simonyan has become

35:56

the main one. But Konstantin Rykov was simply

35:58

Putin’s number one fighter. We did

36:01

an investigation into him and found

36:03

his villa, of course, in Nice. So this is

36:05

the man who was the internet director of Channel One

36:07

(Russia’s main state TV channel). In other words, he stole a lot of money,

36:10

bought himself a villa in Nice. Everything is going very

36:12

well for him, and he loves Putin very much. The second one, this

36:14

young woman here, her name is Maria Kasatonova

36:16

or Katasonova. Ah, Katasonova, yes, she’s also

36:20

That’s how it is.

36:21

Mm.

36:22

an internet diva from the support apparatus of all these

36:25

pro-Putin brigades. I mean, these are people

36:27

who are, of course, pretty small-time, these

36:29

Putin cockroaches, obviously, but still

36:32

just listen to the words they use. You can’t endlessly

36:35

exploit the issue of Crimea. You can’t

36:38

double the budget for scripts. That’s

36:41

important. And, uh, I’m very

36:45

satisfied that, as it seems to me,

36:47

this is also a good way of influencing

36:49

that whole pro-Putin audience, so that

36:51

they can see just how deceitful and disgusting

36:55

all these people are. I saw a question here:

36:57

"Alexei, why do you think Margarita

36:59

Simonyan makes all these awful films?"

37:01

Well, she makes them for two reasons.

37:03

First, because she simply cannot

37:05

do anything properly.

37:08

I mean, it’s a case of negative selection.

37:10

Only very stupid and

37:12

talentless people rise to the top. Do you think Simonyan

37:15

and Keosayan wouldn’t like to come up with good jokes

37:18

for their, uh, that

37:21

little comedy revue of theirs? Or that they wouldn’t want

37:23

to write a good film script? They would,

37:24

but they can’t. They are, in

37:26

essence, talentless, stupid people. That’s

37:29

the first reason they do it. And second,

37:30

well, they need money. Our state is

37:33

very rich. There is an enormous amount of money

37:36

in these corporations, and they simply

37:38

make the rounds. And everywhere they take a little—or

37:40

quite a lot, as we’ve seen. And

37:42

we simply can’t imagine

37:46

how much these people make from Rusha

37:49

Today. Because everything we described in

37:51

our investigations—all those schemes involving,

37:54

uh, NTV and Aeroflot, all those schemes with

37:57

the Crimean Bridge—they pale in

38:00

comparison to RT Today’s budget of 20 billion

38:03

rubles (about US$250 million). Just think: if on a

38:06

film with a budget of 150 million rubles (about US$1.9 million) they stole 54 million (about US$675,000),

38:12

how much are they siphoning off together with Gromov

38:14

and various other people from

38:16

Russia Today. These are enormous,

38:19

colossal sums of money. And someday,

38:21

when Margarita Simonyan is sitting on the

38:23

defendant’s bench and we find all her

38:26

accounts and pull out of some basement

38:29

some gold bars or

38:30

diamonds—I don’t know, whatever it is

38:32

wherever she keeps that money—we, I

38:36

think, will be very shocked by the scale

38:38

of the wealth these people have. Uh, and, uh,

38:42

many thanks to everyone who is helping us

38:45

spread this investigation right now,

38:47

when nobody is interested in anything

38:48

except coronavirus. It’s very important

38:51

to show that these are not just some

38:52

ordinary guys from Krasnodar who came

38:55

here, simple folks who love Putin. They are nothing

38:57

of the sort. They are greedy crooks,

39:00

multimillionaires.

39:01

And when they say—when Simonyan says

39:03

that she donates her salary

39:06

to children, to charitable

39:08

projects, she should be told: "Please be quiet,

39:10

Margarita, because you

39:12

may well donate your large salary—I don’t know, a million

39:15

rubles a month (about US$12,500)—you may donate it

39:17

to someone, but from those same sick children

39:20

you are taking hundreds of millions of rubles." That

39:23

is exactly how this should be viewed.

39:25

63,000 people are watching live.

39:28

A reminder: you can ask me questions

39:30

using the hashtag Russia of the Future on

39:32

Twitter. I’ll try

39:34

to answer them.

39:35

And Putin

39:37

has postponed his idiotic vote. This is

39:39

the best news of the week, but he

39:41

couldn’t avoid doing it. It’s clear that they

39:43

dragged this out until the very last moment. It was

39:45

obvious that Putin personally wanted

39:47

to hold this vote on April 22 after all

39:50

and get all this over with,

39:53

all of it, and finally enthrone himself as

39:57

a super-mega-president

40:00

with super-mega-powers. But in fact

40:01

these really are extraordinary

40:03

powers. Any lawyers

40:06

or political scientists who study what

40:08

Russia is, how its system is structured, what it’s

40:11

called—they call it a super-presidential

40:13

republic, where the president has

40:15

super-powers. That was before. Now

40:17

to this super-presidential

40:19

republic they are adding powers that,

40:22

well, simply should not exist in a country

40:24

that declares, for example,

40:25

the separation of powers. In other words,

40:27

the president will control

40:29

absolutely everything. And, uh,

40:33

the revolting, vile, disgusting

40:37

people who

40:41

are urging, really urging the general

40:45

public—pensioners first and foremost—to

40:47

go vote in this. They inspire in me

40:50

a special kind of disgust. I wanted

40:53

to talk about them, yes. This

40:54

vote, it

40:56

has been postponed; it will take place at some later

40:59

time. But at the same time, I repeat, it has already

41:02

entered into force. Even former, former

41:06

former Constitutional Court judge,

41:07

Constitutional Court judge Tamara

41:09

Morshchakova, wrote a long

41:12

detailed opinion on the matter. You

41:14

can read it, and especially if you’re a

41:15

lawyer, you’ll find it interesting. She is one

41:17

of Russia’s best-known legal scholars.

41:19

She writes very clearly that, folks,

41:22

under Article 136 of the Constitution,

41:24

all of this has already entered into force. Therefore

41:27

the Constitutional Court, when it was

41:28

reviewing all this, should have

41:30

to regard these amendments as

41:31

already in force, because in the

41:34

constituent regions of the Russian Federation

41:35

they voted, so all of this has already been adopted. And

41:39

this so-called nationwide vote is

41:40

a clown show, but they need it. And these

41:42

disgusting people here, I won’t, I won’t

41:46

hold back on derogatory, uh, whatever

41:50

insults and comments about them,

41:52

despite the fact that they’ll be there

41:53

squealing back in response, all these Moshkovs,

41:56

Bezrukovs, Gazmanovs. And I urge

42:00

everyone to treat them exactly the same way. Well,

42:01

yes, a talented actor, fine,

42:03

a talented actor. You skillfully portray

42:05

other people on screen, but then you

42:07

step off that, that stage,

42:09

go back to ordinary life, go to the

42:12

Kremlin and lie for money. And for money

42:16

you deceive people, you deceive these

42:18

poor pensioners and say:

42:19

"Folks, let’s come out and vote for

42:22

the Russian language." But everyone will come out and

42:25

be voting to give Putin more powers. And all of

42:29

this has been arranged deliberately in such a way

42:31

as to fool everyone, to deceive everyone. So

42:33

now we’ll have more time before the

42:36

fake vote on these amendments.

42:39

We, uh, despite the fact that right now

42:41

there’s a postponement and everyone has already forgotten

42:42

about the vote, to hell with it, there’s

42:43

coronavirus, we’re just trying to survive. But this

42:46

can’t simply be dropped. Every

42:48

day we have to campaign, explaining to

42:51

people what a lie this is. Did you see, uh,

42:56

what Gazmanov is urging people to vote for?

42:58

Let’s take a look at

42:59

the disgusting Oleg Gazmanov.

43:03

My parents lived through the entire Great

43:05

Patriotic War (the Soviet term for the Eastern Front of World War II). My father ended the war

43:07

in Berlin, and my mother in distant Khalkhin Gol.

43:10

And I will vote for those amendments to the

43:13

Constitution that will not give even a chance

43:16

to distort our history, trample on the memory of

43:19

our heroes, or desecrate the graves of

43:22

my ancestors. It is important to come and

43:24

vote.

43:29

What a shameless man. He’s combed over his little fringe,

43:33

all gray, looks respectable enough. Khl-

43:36

Khalkhin Gol, the graves of his parents, his ancestors,

43:39

he’s dragged all of that into this. He knows,

43:42

the bastard knows, that all this was done so that

43:45

Putin would get the votes he needs

43:48

for his powers, for resetting

43:50

his term limits. And this has absolutely nothing

43:53

to do with it. No one is going to revise the outcome,

43:56

no one will be able to mock it. What could you

43:58

possibly write into the Constitution so that no one could

44:00

mock it? What does any of this even

44:01

have to do with history? You can’t

44:04

write something about history into the Constitution.

44:06

He knows that perfectly well, but he took the money

44:09

and lies to these people. Then he’ll sing for

44:11

them, jump around, spin like a top,

44:13

performing “Yesaul,” “Eskadron,” and all

44:16

his other songs with their stolen

44:18

melodies, and keep on lying,

44:21

what utterly repulsive people they are. And those

44:24

very people whom you now ought to, uh,

44:27

protect from coronavirus—first and

44:30

foremost the elderly—they watched this

44:32

Gazmanov, many of them like him, and these are

44:35

familiar tunes, we all know Gazmanov’s songs

44:37

and so on, but you simply need to

44:41

tell them: you’re being lured in, folks,

44:43

that these people, with their respectable

44:45

appearance, with their gray little fringes, are

44:48

lying brazenly, they are deceiving you, they

44:51

are doing it so that you can be

44:53

robbed. Moshkov,

44:55

good Lord, has grown his beard down to his waist. And

44:58

with that beard he comes out too and lies just

45:02

completely shamelessly. Let’s watch

45:03

the disgusting Moshkov.

45:06

Our country is not just a territory,

45:08

it is a big family with centuries-old traditions

45:11

and a unique culture. I want

45:13

the borders of our homeland to be inviolable and

45:15

for no one to have the opportunity

45:17

to take part of our territory for themselves,

45:20

or rewrite our history. The amendments to the

45:22

Constitution guarantee the protection of

45:25

Russia’s sovereignty. If this matters to you

45:27

as much as it does to me, come to the

45:31

vote.

45:36

Well, it’s just, it’s simply impossible

45:38

to watch. What hypocrisy too. And those

45:40

supposedly intelligent eyes. And there he is,

45:43

nodding his head. And that’s it. And it was all

45:47

deliberately conceived and

45:49

done that way. People sat around saying to

45:52

each other: "What can we do?" Well, in order

45:55

to better deceive those people

45:58

who do not follow

46:00

politics very closely.

46:02

Let’s bring out Moshkov. He’ll have

46:05

that full beard, and with his

46:07

smart-looking eyes he’ll lie right to the faces of all these

46:10

people. But in fact, I know perfectly well,

46:13

no one wants to tangle with actors.

46:15

Well, they’re famous people, many people love them.

46:17

And so politicians generally try, well,

46:19

why, so to speak, criticize Moshkov or

46:20

Gazmanov, because in response they’ll

46:22

say something back, and it’s more trouble than it’s worth

46:23

to get involved. I think the stakes now

46:27

are high enough that it is worth

46:30

taking them on, because they really are

46:31

scoundrels who will damage our country

46:35

for years to come. So, things are already fairly

46:37

bad here, very bad, but they got

46:42

their fees at the cost of

46:45

making life worse for us and for our children.

46:49

They, uh, will continue to destroy

46:52

the country’s economy. Just look at what

46:53

is happening now. In fact, for the sixth year in a row

46:57

people’s incomes have been falling. And these people come out and

47:00

do everything so that Putin can

47:02

to be elected in '36, in 136,

47:06

and so on, and so on. Ella

47:07

Pamfilova, when discussing these amendments,

47:10

also

47:11

sort of let something slip in a very revealing way.

47:13

She also effectively admitted

47:17

that these amendments already have legitimacy,

47:19

because they have already been voted on.

47:20

Let's listen.

47:22

We all already understand that the

47:24

procedure, in accordance with the currently

47:26

effective Constitution, which

47:28

has taken place, already legitimizes those

47:31

amendments that have been adopted. It is absolutely

47:33

legitimate already on the basis that

47:37

the legitimately elected State Duma

47:41

and the Federation Council, and our legitimately

47:43

elected legislative assemblies

47:46

of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation

47:48

by two-thirds, three-fourths, and three and two

47:51

thirds, this law has already been adopted, these

47:55

amendments have been adopted. This

47:56

process itself is already legitimate

47:58

and one can only treat with

48:00

great respect the fact that

48:04

the president did not stop there, and his

48:07

political will and desire to hear, in this

48:09

case, something not provided for under the

48:12

current Constitution: the opinion

48:14

of the people. Additionally—the key phrase—he

48:18

went for it, and that deserves great

48:20

respect. Well, that's already a bit of a lyrical

48:23

digression.

48:25

Did you hear that? The opinion of the people is an extra,

48:29

you see—they've already done everything there, but

48:31

the opinion of the people is additional, and therefore

48:33

deserves great respect. So,

48:35

this person, too, is just dancing this

48:38

dance full of lies,

48:40

of hypocrisy. And here, of course, I cannot

48:43

help but say that I feel

48:44

great, great satisfaction from the fact

48:47

that neither I nor the colleagues with whom I

48:49

worked and work, not for a single

48:51

second ever doubted that Ella

48:54

Pamfilova is such a corrupt,

48:56

disgusting woman. Ah, let's recall 2015,

48:59

when she had just replaced Churov, and

49:02

we went after her, because back then there were

49:04

elections in Barvikha, and we carried out this kind of

49:06

experiment, where we put forward an entire team

49:07

of people. We wanted to take over,

49:09

we said outright that we

49:10

would take over the municipality in Barvikha, and

49:13

see whose land this is and what kind of

49:15

rich people live there, and we would simply

49:17

establish real people's rule there. And either

49:20

Ella Pamfilova would ensure fair

49:21

elections there, and we had no doubt that we

49:23

would win, or they would let no one in, and

49:25

then we would find out whether she was a good head

49:27

of the Central Election Commission or not. And they,

49:30

naturally, began rigging things.

49:31

A huge scandal broke out. She

49:33

canceled the elections. And, my God, Dmitry

49:36

Gudkov, Vladimir Ryzhkov—not to

49:40

mention all those Vinokurovs, Baronovs,

49:42

everyone under the sun kept writing to us endlessly: "How

49:45

wrong you were about Ella Pamfilova,

49:47

she's so good, she canceled the elections,

49:50

she's an honest person." Ella Pamfilova

49:52

held those elections again six months later,

49:55

having completely falsified them, and then

49:57

continued down that path of falsification. And

49:59

the only person who has since

50:02

come up to me and said:

50:04

"Alexei, I admit that I was

50:05

wrong," was Dmitry Muratov from Novaya Gazeta,

50:07

who argued with me fiercely and wrote

50:09

entire columns saying, what do you mean, Navalny, don't

50:11

go after Pamfilova, because she and I

50:13

went somewhere together in our youth, and

50:16

she was so good, such a great

50:18

woman. And we all believed in her. Well, maybe

50:22

maybe once she really was a good,

50:23

great woman. Now she is absolutely

50:25

a corrupt, hypocritical thief. And there is no other

50:29

way to describe her. And I said this

50:31

back then. I am very glad that now, on this,

50:34

it seems to me, absolutely

50:35

everyone is convinced of it. And of course, I am waiting—not that

50:37

like Ramzan Kadyrov (head of Chechnya), I want, so to speak,

50:39

everyone to apologize to me for

50:41

defending Ella Pamfilova back then, but

50:44

simply—guys, if a person is in this

50:48

system, we cannot expect that he or she will be

50:51

even in the slightest degree

50:53

honest. And if, within this system, that person is also in a

50:55

responsible post like the CEC, we understand very well

50:58

that when they took that position, they

51:01

were already compromised up to here. They, uh,

51:04

have absolutely agreed to any monstrous

51:07

fraudulent manipulations that they

51:10

will have to carry out there. Alexei, why

51:14

do you think these actors, singers, and

51:16

other talented people are promoting these

51:18

amendments and the vote on them? Daniil asks

51:19

me. Money?

51:22

Actors, of course, are also very

51:24

dependent people. And I often

51:26

hear this from decent

51:29

actors, who say: "Why are you

51:30

going after Bezrukov or

51:32

someone like Vladimir Mashkov? You

51:34

have to understand that Vladimir Mashkov is

51:36

a slave, uh, and he works in a theater; officials

51:38

can throw him out at any moment.

51:40

He can lose his job, he can

51:43

lose everything. So, well, that's why he

51:44

does their dirty work." But I don't think that's

51:48

an excuse. After all, everyone else isn't

51:50

doing their dirty work. In the end, Vladimir

51:52

Mashkov probably has enough to eat. As I

51:55

understand it, he has an apartment in Miami,

51:57

he spends a lot of time in the

51:59

United States. He's doing very well. He is

52:01

very, very rich, but he takes part in

52:04

all of this because he wants even more

52:06

money, because he wants more

52:08

administrative leverage. Bezrukov

52:10

why do any of this at all? But he wants

52:12

to be given an extra pat on the

52:15

cheek, you know, to be let into places where

52:17

the powers that be are, and to be allowed

52:19

to have some tea somewhere and eat a sandwich from

52:22

their table. That’s how the allure

52:24

of officialdom works. That’s why they grovel, because

52:25

they want to be useful to these

52:27

villains. Ah, it turned out to be a great parody,

52:30

really great, a little crazy, of

52:31

Bezrukov. And it was made by the comedian Sobolev.

52:34

But first, let’s spend a few seconds on Bezrukov

52:36

and recall him, because his, uh, his

52:38

campaigning for the Constitution was the most

52:41

nauseating, because in all that

52:43

typical Bezrukov-style act of his, where he’s

52:45

either impersonating Yesenin (the Russian poet), or maybe even someone else,

52:47

let’s watch Bezrukov first.

52:49

The Russian language is one of the richest

52:51

languages in the world. No other language in the world has

52:54

such metaphors, comparisons, epithets, and imagery

52:57

as Russian. That is probably why it is so difficult

52:59

to translate the poetry of Alexander Pushkin

53:00

into a foreign language. And it is in this language that we

53:03

speak, feel, and declare our love.

53:07

That is why, it seems to me, the amendment

53:09

to the Constitution of the Russian

53:11

Federation on protecting and preserving the Russian

53:14

language is so important.

53:16

[applause]

53:16

[music]

53:21

And Sobolev recorded a crazy parody, but

53:24

a very funny one, about fishing floats and

53:27

prostitution. Let’s listen. And here,

53:29

it seems to me that, uh, there’s no need

53:31

to look for too much meaning in it. Just as there was no need

53:33

to look for too much meaning in what

53:35

Bezrukov was saying. But all of this here

53:37

is captured perfectly. Let’s listen.

53:40

Language is a means of communication and

53:42

mutual understanding,

53:44

and fish are basically rabbits, just without

53:47

paws, without ears, without a little tail, without fur,

53:51

without a skull—exactly the same.

53:55

There’s a saying: "To eat the fish and

53:58

eat the rod too." But I’m not Mashkov (likely referring to actor Vladimir Mashkov), I don’t do that

54:00

kind of crap.

54:02

Shnurov (Sergey Shnurov, musician) has a wonderful song, "The Fish

54:06

of My Dreams." I have a dream too.

54:11

I dream of shooting lasers from my eyes and

54:14

climbing trees using only

54:16

my legs. You climb to the top, let go, fall, and

54:20

it doesn’t hurt.

54:21

And I also dream of fishing with

54:24

prostitutes.

54:27

That is why fishing floats and

54:29

prostitution are so important. It concerns every one of

54:33

us.

54:35

[music]

54:38

Constitutional amendments, fishing floats, and

54:40

prostitution. And humiliating this vote

54:44

every single day is something each of us should do.

54:48

Humiliate it, expose it, denounce

54:51

it absolutely, I’m not afraid to say it,

54:52

denounce everyone who is taking part

54:54

in all of this. Marianna Maksimovskaya,

54:57

you remember, she used to be so good. She

55:00

was one of those journalists who was genuinely

55:02

honest and decent, and she left television

55:06

because, well, on television it had become

55:07

impossible

55:10

to remain honest and decent there. And what

55:12

do we see? Good Lord, now here she is in 2020,

55:16

not even for some election, but specifically

55:20

for the most outrageously fraudulent thing

55:23

that has been done in the entire history of the

55:24

Central Election Commission. You know,

55:25

the 2011 elections were fraud on this level,

55:27

right here.

55:29

The 2018 presidential election

55:30

was fraud on this level. But

55:32

the fake vote was

55:34

fraud somewhere out in space. And Marianna

55:36

Maksimovskaya, having arranged her hair like

55:38

Joan of Arc, came to the CEC and

55:41

simply made a complete fool of herself there. Was it really worth

55:44

it for you, Marianna Maksimovskaya,

55:47

to spend all that time building your

55:50

reputation only to destroy it and

55:52

trample it into the ground? Let’s watch. 70,000

55:54

people are watching us live as

55:56

Marianna Maksimovskaya humiliates herself, after

55:58

which, of course, she can no longer be considered

56:00

a decent person. I now present to your attention

56:03

an online resource

56:06

created specifically for the

56:07

nationwide vote on introducing

56:09

amendments to the Constitution. We also have

56:13

one additional

56:16

option for convenience and faster access to

56:18

information—a chatbot. We named

56:21

our chatbot Konstantin because it sounds similar

56:24

to our Constitution, yes, we chose that

56:27

name for our chatbot, Konstantin. Well,

56:29

at any rate, it’s easy to remember.

56:31

I think it’s important to add that, in general,

56:33

for easier access to this website,

56:35

special banners will be displayed online

56:36

with the option

56:38

to go directly from them to the website

56:40

Constitution 2020 RF. All you’ll need to do is

56:43

click on the banner. We very much

56:45

hope that creating this resource

56:47

will help people make an informed and

56:50

responsible choice.

56:54

A man who has been in power for 20 years

56:55

is resetting his term limits, and she comes out

56:57

and says: "Chatbot Konstantin, ha-ha,

56:59

what a great thing. We came up with this

57:01

brilliant creative concept. At our PR agency

57:03

we thought it up—hilarious. And then, of course, Ella

57:06

Pamfilova and all the other cronies

57:08

sitting around him are supposed to

57:10

clutch their stomachs laughing and say, "How

57:12

great—Constitution and chatbot Konstantin,

57:15

it’s simply impossible to even think about without disgust

57:18

watch." And after that she was still there,

57:20

presenting some absolutely disgusting

57:22

videos. I don’t even want to—maybe in the

57:23

next program I’ll show them to you—but it was simply

57:25

an absolutely nauseating spectacle. And on top of that,

57:27

we’re the ones paying for all of it. And what

57:30

I showed you—all that stuff with Moshkov

57:32

and Gazmanov—you have no doubt, do you, that it was

57:34

obviously campaigning in favor of

57:37

those amendments. In other words, it wasn’t just

57:39

“come out and vote,” it was campaigning for those

57:42

amendments. But we’re being told, we’re being

57:44

told that this is neutral advertising

57:47

funded from the state budget. And so this

57:50

whole gathering of parasites, from

57:52

Maksimovskaya to some Gazmanov,

57:54

sit there and grub around in budget money.

57:57

And then they look at us and say: "Guys,

57:59

there’ll be a chatbot named Konstantin, and you’ll

58:00

have fun with it, ask it

58:01

questions, and it’ll give you funny

58:03

answers." Big spit. I’m being asked:

58:06

"If Moshkov doesn’t know, then in 2005 Putin

58:08

handed over two of our islands to China."

58:10

That’s absolutely true. Absolutely true. All these

58:13

people saying, “we won’t give up a single inch of land”—

58:16

Putin handed over two islands,

58:19

huge ones, by the way, on the Amur River, to China.

58:22

That was a completely illegal

58:24

transfer of that supposedly sacred Russian

58:27

land over which Moshkov tears out his

58:30

beard and, well, scatters it

58:33

to the wind. People just

58:37

don’t pay attention. Well, money,

58:38

money. Vlad Chestyakov asks me:

58:40

"Alexei, please tell me, will the

58:42

coronavirus epidemic interfere with resetting

58:44

Putler’s term count to zero?" Well, it will only interfere

58:47

if the coronavirus kills the entire

58:49

population of the Russian Federation. For

58:51

Putin, this is an absolutely fundamental

58:54

task. He wants to,

58:57

I’ve said many times that Putin’s goal is

58:59

to remain president for life,

59:01

a tsar-emperor. But now this

59:03

tsar-emperor—and that’s no

59:04

exaggeration—wants to be, uh,

59:07

the ruler of Russia with extraordinary powers.

59:10

He can even dismiss judges. Powers like that

59:13

have literally never existed for

59:15

anyone. He really wants to be

59:18

Russia’s autocrat until death. And absolutely everything

59:22

is aimed at that. And yes, they’ve

59:24

postponed it for now because they’re simply

59:26

afraid. If they held that vote now, on April 22,

59:28

it would be—well, it would go down

59:31

in human history as

59:33

the greatest crime in the field of

59:36

epidemiology, because it would be

59:38

the largest planned operation to

59:40

infect people, especially the elderly,

59:43

with this very coronavirus.

59:45

They were afraid to do it, so they postponed it.

59:46

So, you watched, uh, you all watched

59:50

Putin’s addresses. It was a very, uh,

59:53

very highly rated program, a highly rated

59:56

speech. And really, this is

59:57

very important; this isn’t some

1:00:00

made-up crisis, it’s a crisis affecting all humanity

1:00:02

right now. And of course, we were expecting

1:00:04

some kind of, well, clearer response

1:00:09

from Putin. He’s supposed to be a tough guy. All

1:00:10

the others around him are tough guys too.

1:00:12

Judging by the number of medals they’ve

1:00:14

hung on themselves, they all fancy themselves as very

1:00:17

tough guys. What is Shoigu, some kind of

1:00:19

generalissimo or marshal?

1:00:22

Rotenberg, Hero of Labor—everyone got handed

1:00:24

various stars and honors, everything’s great for them. And

1:00:28

then a crisis situation hit us, and

1:00:30

we expected from them some genuinely,

1:00:32

well, at the very least sensible decisions.

1:00:34

After all, the coronavirus reached Russia

1:00:36

a little later, fortunately for us, and we

1:00:39

saw the mistakes that were made in

1:00:41

Italy, the right things that were done

1:00:43

in Singapore, first the mistakes and then

1:00:47

the very right things that were done

1:00:48

in South Korea, which

1:00:50

carried out an absolutely remarkable operation

1:00:53

to contain this

1:00:55

coronavirus. We see Germany’s very successful

1:00:58

experience, France’s less successful experience,

1:01:01

and the drama now unfolding

1:01:03

in the United States. So, in

1:01:05

principle, you can look at what was done

1:01:07

well and implement it.

1:01:10

And I saw a very apt tweet on this

1:01:12

topic—I don’t remember who wrote it, I won’t

1:01:16

pretend otherwise—saying that for the first time we’re seeing

1:01:19

as a measure

1:01:23

to fight the coronavirus, as a measure

1:01:25

to fight the coronavirus, the adoption of

1:01:26

higher taxes. That’s absolutely true.

1:01:29

Putin came out and said that, well, basically, we’ll

1:01:31

give you a week off. Let’s listen

1:01:33

to him.

1:01:35

Right now it is critically important to prevent the threat

1:01:37

of the rapid spread of the disease.

1:01:41

Therefore, I am declaring next week

1:01:45

non-working

1:01:46

with pay preserved.

1:01:49

That means the days off will last from Saturday,

1:01:52

March 28, through Sunday, April 5.

1:01:59

That, essentially, was the main measure

1:02:01

that was adopted. I mean, you’re supposed to

1:02:04

take measures to prevent

1:02:05

the disease from spreading, in order

1:02:06

to support the population. And as a

1:02:09

measure, what do they do? A week off.

1:02:12

A week off is not a quarantine. It

1:02:14

doesn’t require people to stay home. And even

1:02:16

if we assume that, uh, well,

1:02:19

our people will be sensible and won’t

1:02:21

go out for barbecues—and that’s already not the case. I

1:02:23

saw photos today from somewhere in

1:02:25

Sokolniki, I think, with some little shelters

1:02:27

for those barbecues, or from Serebryany

1:02:29

...yard. Everyone is busy, of course, everyone has gone

1:02:31

out for shashlik (grilled meat cooked outdoors). They grill, talk to

1:02:33

each other, drink wine. Naturally, people

1:02:35

will go to their dachas (country houses). So this is a strange

1:02:38

measure. Why did you do this? Well,

1:02:39

probably, yes. If, uh, you look at it overall,

1:02:43

then during the days off, fewer

1:02:46

people will leave home or take the metro. But

1:02:48

overall it's a strange measure, because

1:02:50

there is no quarantine and no support for either business or

1:02:53

ordinary people. Because why aren't people

1:02:56

staying home? Because they have no money. They

1:03:00

need money. It's simple. Why

1:03:03

are businesses suffering now? Small

1:03:04

businesses practically howled after Putin's address.

1:03:07

Well, because they're being told:

1:03:09

"Send all employees off for a week of

1:03:12

paid leave." And most likely

1:03:14

it will even be extended. Fine, you're

1:03:16

a restaurant or a café or, I don't know,

1:03:18

a workshop making whatever.

1:03:21

You have to send everyone home. And where are you

1:03:23

supposed to get the money? You're closed, you have

1:03:25

no revenue, nothing at all. You want to pay these

1:03:28

people because they are your

1:03:30

employees. You understand everything, you're in the same

1:03:31

situation yourself, but you have nothing. In

1:03:34

the United Kingdom, Boris Johnson made

1:03:36

the decision that all these small businesses,

1:03:38

bars, restaurants, little

1:03:40

shops, are being given £25,000. In

1:03:44

America, if your income is

1:03:47

under, I think, $70,000,

1:03:49

they're giving out $1,800 per person; in Canada

1:03:51

they're giving about $2,000. So

1:03:54

people are struggling, they need money, and they're being given

1:03:57

that money, because that is what

1:03:58

the state exists for. This is exactly

1:04:00

the kind of emergency that has happened. Give them

1:04:02

money. Here, basically nothing

1:04:03

is happening at all. Milov made

1:04:05

an excellent livestream today. Watch it today at 14,

1:04:07

it was at 16:00. He said something very

1:04:09

important. They didn't even declare

1:04:11

a force majeure situation. This is very important,

1:04:14

because, look, our office

1:04:17

is still operating; you just give us donations

1:04:21

and subscribe to the channel. So we

1:04:23

can pay the rent for this office. But

1:04:25

if we were ordinary lawyers, I

1:04:27

would send everyone home right now. I have no revenue.

1:04:29

I go to the landlord, and he tells me,

1:04:31

"Pay." I say, "Well, you understand,

1:04:33

I had to send everyone

1:04:36

home." He says, "Well,

1:04:38

there is no force majeure situation. If you

1:04:41

declare force majeure,

1:04:43

then you can stop paying utility and housing-service bills."

1:04:46

And the utility company can,

1:04:47

the management company can stop paying

1:04:49

the utility provider. In other words, at

1:04:50

least legally, for a time, we can

1:04:53

somehow pause these chains of payments. If you do not

1:04:55

declare force majeure, then

1:04:57

some people still demand

1:05:00

rent from others. You still cannot

1:05:03

go to court and say, "I didn't pay

1:05:05

because I couldn't, because there was

1:05:06

a force majeure situation." It may seem

1:05:08

like a legal technicality, but it is very

1:05:11

important. They didn't even do that.

1:05:13

They didn't declare a quarantine; in fact, nothing

1:05:16

is really happening. And of course,

1:05:19

there's also this super-measure that

1:05:21

just leaves you astonished. It's like

1:05:26

suddenly, you know, like that meme:

1:05:28

Nobody, absolutely nobody: Putin: let's tax

1:05:32

your bank deposits over

1:05:34

1 million rubles (about $12,500). What? Why? How is that

1:05:38

connected to coronavirus at all? How does it

1:05:40

help anyone right now? It will help the budget,

1:05:43

sure. But presumably there are other

1:05:46

ways to fill the budget right

1:05:48

now besides taxing citizens' savings?

1:05:50

Let's watch this statement by Putin,

1:05:52

29 seconds.

1:05:54

Second. In many countries around the world,

1:05:57

individuals' interest income from

1:05:59

bank deposits and investments in securities

1:06:02

is subject to income tax.

1:06:06

In our country, such income is not taxed.

1:06:10

I propose that for citizens whose total amount of

1:06:12

bank deposits or investments in

1:06:14

debt securities exceeds 1 million

1:06:17

rubles, a tax be introduced on interest

1:06:20

income at a rate of 13%.

1:06:25

And this was announced as a measure to combat

1:06:27

coronavirus. So here is the situation:

1:06:30

a quarantine is needed, and everyone is running around saying:

1:06:33

"Quarantine will kill our economy." Everyone

1:06:35

is getting poorer, everyone is losing money, nobody has

1:06:36

any money. And you say: "Well, let the rich

1:06:38

pay." Peskov said this—Peskov, the one with

1:06:41

that same Navka, who paid 8

1:06:43

million rubles to a person who did not take part

1:06:46

in her figure-skating, in that skating show

1:06:49

mentioned at the start of the broadcast—for those who have just

1:06:51

joined, you can go back and watch it.

1:06:52

74, because 1,000 people are already watching us

1:06:54

live. These are the people with

1:06:57

watches worth, what was it, 37 million rubles,

1:07:02

who spend 20 million rubles on a week-long

1:07:05

yacht trip. Peskov comes out and

1:07:06

says: "You know, this

1:07:08

taxation of those who have deposits

1:07:10

of 1 million rubles—this is a restoration of

1:07:12

fairness."

1:07:14

And there are two things here. First,

1:07:17

think about this: how bad things are in

1:07:20

our country—how dreadful it is—that the people considered rich,

1:07:23

the ones who are supposed to be taxed,

1:07:26

are those who have $12,500

1:07:30

to their name. And they themselves said that this

1:07:33

would affect 1% of people. So it turns out that

1:07:36

Russia, which for 20 years sold oil

1:07:39

and gas for trillions of dollars, has

1:07:42

only 1% of the population with

1:07:45

$12,500.

1:07:47

dollars. Well, first of all, this is, well, that

1:07:49

is, basically, well, insane. It

1:07:51

means total collapse. If, if you

1:07:54

have governed the country for 20 years in such a way that here

1:07:56

there is no one—only 1% of people have

1:07:59

even 1 million rubles (about 10,800 USD), then resign

1:08:00

immediately, the sooner the better. You can’t do

1:08:02

anything. But in reality, this is just

1:08:06

a way of increasing income

1:08:09

tax, because of course 1 million rubles

1:08:12

is something a large number of people have. Well,

1:08:15

someone sold an apartment, some

1:08:16

pensioner saved up for a lifetime. Those are

1:08:18

funeral savings, spread across accounts,

1:08:21

and notice, they did it very

1:08:22

cunningly. They, uh, they add up all

1:08:26

the accounts. You won’t be able to say, if you had

1:08:28

1.5 million rubles (about 16,200 USD), you can’t split it into 500

1:08:30

here, 500 there, and 500 there. Nothing

1:08:33

of the sort. Through a special system, they’ll

1:08:36

count everything and say you have 1.5 million

1:08:38

rubles. And on those extra 500,000

1:08:41

we will levy a tax on

1:08:43

your interest income.

1:08:45

Why do this now? If you want to

1:08:48

do it, let’s discuss it. Because

1:08:50

this is not, not, not a tax on the rich.

1:08:53

These are obviously not rich people; it’s a tax

1:08:55

on those who earn at least something in

1:08:57

our impoverished country. You want to do that?

1:08:59

Fine, then let’s discuss it. Why the hell does this need to

1:09:02

happen now? Like Sberbank is now

1:09:04

introducing a fee on transfers over 50,000

1:09:07

rubles (about 540 USD). People have no money. They’re being forced

1:09:09

to stay home. If you have some

1:09:11

relative stuck somewhere, and they

1:09:13

text you, “Hello, Kolya,” or write or

1:09:15

call and say, “Please send me

1:09:17

60,000 rubles (about 650 USD), because I’ve ended up in

1:09:20

this situation and I have nothing to feed

1:09:22

my family with.” You go and have to pay

1:09:24

this fee to Sberbank. Why do this

1:09:27

now, when things are bad for absolutely everyone?

1:09:30

It’s astonishing, staggering, and, and

1:09:35

unthinkable. Russia has a police

1:09:37

state. It is a police

1:09:40

state. Not as efficient a

1:09:42

police state as China,

1:09:43

which simply put entire cities under lockdown

1:09:45

right away and shut everyone in. But we

1:09:47

also have a police state. And what of it?

1:09:48

Apparently, we can impose a lockdown.

1:09:50

But they don’t impose one, and instead they keep

1:09:52

coming up with measures to take more money

1:09:55

from people. From these poor, miserable people. I

1:09:57

saw a photo of a woman. She was standing there with

1:09:59

a sign: “I’ll stay home, but only if you

1:10:02

feed my family. Give this woman

1:10:05

money.” Because really,

1:10:06

she has no chance of staying home. How

1:10:08

can you stay home if your business

1:10:11

will shut down, if you have no salary, and

1:10:13

of course no business owner can

1:10:15

keep paying that salary? Right now everyone has been

1:10:17

told: “Well, send everyone on leave,

1:10:19

but keep paying their wages.” Where are they

1:10:21

supposed to get the money if they’re shut down? Well,

1:10:24

nobody has it, they just

1:10:26

Putin seems to assume that somehow

1:10:29

they’ll muddle through somehow.

1:10:31

I talked about this when we were here with you

1:10:33

discussing that astonishing gem about

1:10:36

how the middle class consists of people with

1:10:37

a salary of 17,000

1:10:39

rubles (about 185 USD). That shows a loss of

1:10:42

touch with reality, a fundamentally distorted

1:10:44

sense of aim. Neither Putin nor the others

1:10:46

basically understand anymore how life

1:10:48

actually works. There are just some people out there,

1:10:50

running around, some kind of, you know, some

1:10:52

vagrants or whatever. Maybe they get 17,000 rubles,

1:10:54

maybe 700—who the hell knows,

1:10:56

we don’t. Well, 17,000 is the middle class.

1:10:58

Then, I suppose, a million means you’re very

1:11:00

rich. Let’s tax them heavily.

1:11:03

These people have nothing, and now you’re trying

1:11:05

to take something from them. The whole world

1:11:07

is announcing support measures for

1:11:09

businesses, saying they’ll give something. They gave

1:11:11

nothing at all. There are some measures

1:11:13

that have been announced, and maybe you can

1:11:15

get tax deductions or something

1:11:17

else. But for all of that, you have to

1:11:18

run around, bring paperwork, prove things,

1:11:22

and after some time they’ll allow you

1:11:24

not to do something or other. Well, right now that’s

1:11:26

supposed to be a good measure, right? They deferred all

1:11:28

these mortgage loans, but they deferred them

1:11:32

only for a while. Because look, for people,

1:11:34

this will all end eventually, and then

1:11:37

people will be told: “All right, folks,

1:11:38

now you start paying your loans again.” But all that

1:11:40

time, people weren’t earning anything. They

1:11:42

still have nothing. They’ve

1:11:43

used up what they had and gone into debt. Well,

1:11:46

maybe not huge debts. But if we want

1:11:48

the country to stay at home, and we

1:11:50

do want the country to stay at home,

1:11:53

then give money to these people and give money

1:11:56

to these businesses. Because when there was

1:11:58

the 2008 crisis, we spent half of the National Welfare Fund

1:12:00

(Russia’s sovereign reserve fund), half

1:12:02

of all reserves, simply

1:12:03

handing it out to oligarchs. And that was apparently fine.

1:12:06

And now no one even remembers it,

1:12:08

no one worries about it. All that happened was

1:12:10

our billionaires were turned into even

1:12:13

richer billionaires. Now, when

1:12:16

Nabiullina says: “Maybe, like in

1:12:18

the United States, or in the United Kingdom, or in

1:12:20

Canada, we should give people a little money.” They

1:12:22

say: “Good Lord, have you lost your mind?

1:12:24

Who does such terrible, terrible

1:12:27

populist things as giving these people

1:12:30

10,000 rubles (about 110 USD)? What for? So that

1:12:32

they can buy food? That’s an absurd idea.

1:12:36

But why would they need to buy food? says

1:12:38

Elvira Nabiullina. I come home,

1:12:40

I say to my housekeeper, “Glasha, bring

1:12:43

the food to the table.” And Glasha brings the food

1:12:46

to the table for us. And that’s why I don’t understand why these people can’t

1:12:49

do exactly the same thing. It’s just

1:12:51

some truly gigantic

1:12:53

mockery, what’s happening. And I,

1:12:55

well, still, uh, hope that, uh,

1:12:59

the situation with the coronavirus won’t deteriorate too sharply

1:13:02

although everything we’ve seen

1:13:04

so far points to exactly that. But if

1:13:07

it does get worse, then I’d like

1:13:10

them at least to take some

1:13:12

very clear measures and say which

1:13:15

model we’re following. We can say that,

1:13:17

well, basically, like in Belarus,

1:13:20

there is no coronavirus, we

1:13:21

don’t care. We’ll just wait until

1:13:23

everyone over 80 here

1:13:26

dies, and we’ll pretend that nothing

1:13:27

is happening. Or else we actually go

1:13:29

down the path of quarantine. It looks like they are going

1:13:31

down the path of quarantine. Well then, let’s go

1:13:33

with quarantine and pay people. But they’re not doing that.

1:13:35

That shows that the authorities

1:13:37

are pointless. They put on this image of being

1:13:39

tough and formidable, but they can’t do

1:13:41

even the most basic

1:13:44

things. But what they can do,

1:13:46

good Lord, is once again stage a PR stunt

1:13:49

over all this nonsense with

1:13:52

Italy—it’s just impossible to watch

1:13:54

this. I mean, in principle I

1:13:56

understand the political idea. Things in Italy are

1:13:59

very bad. And many people around the

1:14:02

world are making some kind of symbolic

1:14:05

gesture of support for Italy, sending something

1:14:07

some masks, for example, or simply

1:14:09

saying, “Italian friends, stay strong.”

1:14:11

We should do that. And you can, well, in

1:14:14

principle, it seems to me—uh, I know that

1:14:17

many people criticize me for this position.

1:14:18

It seems pretty absurd to me when

1:14:21

we have sheer poverty here and doctors have no masks,

1:14:24

nothing at all. And then we go and send nine

1:14:27

planes of something to Italy. That’s

1:14:30

just a slap in the face to our own citizens. I mean,

1:14:32

these are the same kinds of doctors from

1:14:35

the regions. They look at the television, their

1:14:37

mouths hanging open, and the TV tells them:

1:14:40

“You know, we sent nine

1:14:42

planes, and what did we get in return?”

1:14:45

I mean, what political

1:14:47

effect was there? That video they, good Lord,

1:14:50

ran on every channel about the Italian

1:14:53

old man who took down the EU flag

1:14:56

and pulled out a Russian flag. All

1:14:58

the Kremlin Telegram channels were flooded, all

1:15:00

the TV channels too—with that video of the old man. That’s what we got

1:15:04

for sending nine

1:15:06

planes there. Let’s watch that video, since it’s

1:15:08

so, uh, dear to the Kremlin.

1:15:25

indeed

1:15:42

Quite possibly, the man with the flag is a very

1:15:44

good person, and he did it sincerely.

1:15:45

He may have thought that

1:15:47

the European Union had abandoned them there, while Russia

1:15:49

sent nine planes and helped them.

1:15:51

By now, the newspaper *La Stampa* has already published

1:15:54

an article saying that almost everything we sent

1:15:56

there was basically unusable.

1:15:57

We didn’t send any virologists there

1:15:59

at all. Well, that’s more or less

1:16:00

understandable. What we sent there were

1:16:02

vehicles that disinfect asphalt. And

1:16:05

here, unfortunately, to our great regret,

1:16:08

we don’t have any tests, nothing real.

1:16:10

Why is it written on my cup—I wanted to write on it

1:16:13

14,500 rubles. Instead I wrote

1:16:16

afterward: “May God protect you.” 14,500 rubles.

1:16:19

That is the salary a virologist receives

1:16:22

in Novosibirsk. We have the main, uh,

1:16:25

the main institution that is, basically,

1:16:27

supposed to come up with a vaccine for us

1:16:30

that will defeat the coronavirus. I went onto

1:16:33

the job listings page of this, uh, wonderful

1:16:36

institute. They really do pay people there

1:16:37

14,500

1:16:39

rubles to a research associate specifically in the

1:16:41

virology department. So it’s obvious that, well,

1:16:43

we can’t do anything when we spend

1:16:46

this kind of money on science. And we cannot

1:16:47

actually, unfortunately, to our great regret,

1:16:49

give absolutely anything either to Italy, or to Stavropol Krai (a federal region of Russia),

1:16:53

or to Uryupinsk (a small Russian town),

1:16:55

nothing at all. And yet, good Lord, they whipped up so much pomp

1:16:57

around this Italy story. And here

1:16:59

it says: “May God protect us, God protects

1:17:01

our land.” Because the fuller, more genuine

1:17:05

quote is from State Duma deputy

1:17:08

Svetlana Khorkina of United Russia. In my

1:17:11

view, everything that happened is because

1:17:14

the Olympics were canceled too, right? And why

1:17:16

was it necessary to insult Russia, including

1:17:18

our athletes? You shouldn’t do that; it’s not for nothing

1:17:20

that our anthem says that our

1:17:22

land is protected by God. Right now

1:17:25

this deadly filth is spreading all over the world,

1:17:27

but there was no need to stage these

1:17:28

political distortions,”

1:17:30

Svetlana Khorkina tells us,

1:17:34

a State Duma deputy. And you look at that and

1:17:36

think: well, Svetlana Khorkina is great.

1:17:38

She jumps well and runs well and

1:17:40

does all sorts of things. And we’re proud of her

1:17:42

when she’s an Olympic champion. But,

1:17:43

good Lord, athletes come in all kinds.

1:17:46

Like ordinary people—like all people—they

1:17:48

can be smart or stupid. Why is it that in the State Duma

1:17:51

only the stupidest people end up there? I mean,

1:17:54

really, why did I connect this

1:17:56

to Italy in my segment?

1:17:58

Because, uh, in principle,

1:18:01

our authorities lie about everything and twist

1:18:04

everything around. Even in situations like this, uh,

1:18:07

truly difficult ones, they cannot

1:18:09

help putting on some kind of clown show

1:18:11

with Italy, telling everyone that in Europe

1:18:13

things are absolutely terrible. And we are riding at full

1:18:16

seriously, saying, we're going to save

1:18:18

Europe. And somewhere nearby stands Khorkina (Svetlana Khorkina, a former Russian gymnast and politician),

1:18:21

spouting some nonsense about how our land

1:18:23

is protected by God. And that this coronavirus was sent by God

1:18:26

because people were offending our

1:18:28

athletes. Be quiet. Just be quiet. Svetlana

1:18:31

Khorkina, please go and do

1:18:33

the uneven bars, or whatever it is you're supposed to be doing

1:18:35

instead. Jump around with a sword. You do not

1:18:38

need to be in the State Duma (the lower house of Russia's parliament),

1:18:40

because you simply cannot

1:18:43

speak competently about things

1:18:45

that have at least some

1:18:47

logical connection to each other. But they

1:18:49

really are sitting there, and they are passing

1:18:51

laws for us, and those are our laws, and now

1:18:54

they are passing ones under which Putin

1:18:56

will reset his presidential terms to zero. It's just

1:18:58

completely, well, just monstrously

1:18:59

unbearable. And it's especially unbearable

1:19:02

to watch all of this, really, during

1:19:04

the coronavirus crisis. And if

1:19:07

you watched Sobyanin (Moscow mayor Sergei Sobyanin) meeting with

1:19:11

Putin on the eve of Putin's address, you could

1:19:13

see it written all over his face that yes, he was lying,

1:19:16

of course he was lying, but he understood everything.

1:19:19

Before we watch

1:19:21

Sobyanin, let's take a look at Moscow's chief

1:19:23

public health doctor, who quite

1:19:25

recently came to the Moscow

1:19:28

City Duma, explaining how everything

1:19:30

was great, absolutely excellent, nothing to worry about, everything

1:19:33

would be fine, we had enough ventilators,

1:19:35

let's listen.

1:19:37

But nevertheless, we have strengthened control over

1:19:39

flights from Thailand, and in total we have

1:19:40

screened 150,000 passengers.

1:19:43

And

1:19:46

we have no registered cases. If

1:19:47

we identify sick

1:19:49

passengers, we have an established protocol

1:19:51

under which we immediately send them to the airport's medical

1:19:53

station. After that, we decide

1:19:55

whether to hospitalize them or not. That

1:19:56

is, this is a well-established system. I won't even

1:19:58

talk to you about it from here right now.

1:20:00

So, we have identified all routes of entry

1:20:02

and exit into the city involving citizens of the People's Republic of China.

1:20:04

We have placed under special

1:20:07

control all entry points, not only

1:20:10

airports and railway stations,

1:20:13

but also, naturally, bus connections. So

1:20:15

that area has also been fully worked out.

1:20:17

It's just that we are not in a position to

1:20:20

talk about this openly from the podium, but you

1:20:21

should simply know that every point,

1:20:24

every group, if it raises

1:20:26

concerns among our colleagues, they

1:20:28

pass the information on to us, and we provide

1:20:29

follow-up monitoring.

1:20:31

Together with the Health Department, we carried out

1:20:33

an audit of all existing

1:20:35

resources for disinfection measures,

1:20:38

protective equipment control,

1:20:40

transport, medical

1:20:43

masks, oxygenation equipment — that is,

1:20:46

our ECMO machines. I want to tell you right away

1:20:48

that as of today

1:20:50

there are absolutely no complications in the city

1:20:51

at all.

1:20:54

That was Moscow's chief public health doctor,

1:20:56

who told us: "Everything

1:20:57

was in place, everything was wonderful, folks. I won't even

1:20:59

tell you about it from this podium. Just

1:21:01

believe us, just trust

1:21:03

the professionals," as they always

1:21:04

say. You know, always in that

1:21:06

slightly condescending way, as if it's all just

1:21:08

panic, some kind of fuss, some articles,

1:21:10

whatever those idiots are writing in their

1:21:12

Twitter and Telegram channels. Just

1:21:13

believe us, guys. Every single

1:21:16

point is under control. Everything is just fine.

1:21:18

Citizens of the People's Republic of China — uh,

1:21:21

everyone was absolutely under control already at that

1:21:23

time. And everyone was saying:

1:21:26

"Guys, this is going to be a huge problem." They lied

1:21:29

and they keep lying. About the number

1:21:32

of people being tested — it's just

1:21:34

the lying has reached such a scale that at

1:21:37

that meeting, where Sobyanin, Putin,

1:21:39

and Golikova (Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova) were sitting — watch this clip now —

1:21:42

Sobyanin is already saying outright that

1:21:44

we have a huge number of untested

1:21:45

people. And Golikova, as you'll hear there,

1:21:48

says: "No, we have checked

1:21:49

190,000 of them. Let's listen."

1:21:51

We have now introduced... Well, thank you very much.

1:21:53

We supported measures for

1:21:55

those over sixty-five, who are now

1:21:57

the risk group. If before we considered those who

1:21:59

came from abroad — and 1 million of them arrived

1:22:02

in Russia over the last 10 days.

1:22:05

And we have to make them stay home

1:22:07

for a while. That's one story. But

1:22:09

today the real risk group emerging is

1:22:11

older people aged 65 and over. Especially,

1:22:15

yes, we have

1:22:17

put them under quarantine. Starting Thursday,

1:22:19

they are staying, and will all stay, at home. Even

1:22:21

those over 65 who are still working

1:22:23

will move to a different режим. I think we need

1:22:26

to adopt a similar measure

1:22:29

and recommend it to those places where

1:22:31

there is a fairly serious trend. We have

1:22:33

basically created an identical system. This needs to be done in

1:22:36

St. Petersburg too. It needs to be done in all

1:22:39

cities with populations over 1 million as well,

1:22:41

because our main

1:22:43

problem now will be with them: they

1:22:46

will be lying in intensive care

1:22:48

beds. They have the most severe course of

1:22:50

the disease. And this peak, when

1:22:54

they all start coming into our hospital system,

1:22:56

needs to be flattened as much as possible,

1:22:58

so that it happens gradually. Otherwise

1:23:01

the system simply will not cope with them. The volume

1:23:03

of testing is very low, and the real

1:23:05

and no one in the world knows the real picture.

1:23:08

To test

1:23:10

it is objectively like that there. I’m not saying

1:23:12

whether that’s good or bad, it is objectively like that everywhere,

1:23:14

but we need to understand that if 6,000 people arrived in Primorsky Krai

1:23:17

(a region in Russia’s Far East) who had been abroad

1:23:19

in infected areas, that is still

1:23:21

a problem, a big problem. And sooner

1:23:24

or later, that problem will surface.

1:23:28

You see, when they’re actually in

1:23:29

some real meeting, all this

1:23:32

empty bravado is gone. Besides,

1:23:34

Sobyanin is someone who

1:23:36

has now really come face to face with this. You

1:23:38

know that I, uh, am definitely not someone

1:23:41

who likes praising Sergei

1:23:43

Semyonovich (Sergei Sobyanin), but at least we

1:23:45

can see that he is in a situation

1:23:48

where he more or less understands the real

1:23:50

picture. And most importantly, he understands

1:23:52

that he will be the one left holding the bag if everything

1:23:56

goes badly—and hopefully it won’t

1:23:58

go badly. But if it does, and for now, unfortunately,

1:24:01

the graph shows that everything

1:24:03

is moving in that direction, Sobyanin will be

1:24:05

the one blamed. And those kinds of attitudes

1:24:06

are already gone. But at the same time, for them everything is split into this:

1:24:08

“We’re saving Italy, everything here is

1:24:10

great, Europe is dying.” But

1:24:12

here he understands. And he says that

1:24:14

there is no testing. It’s all a gigantic

1:24:17

lie. And the main crime that

1:24:20

the authorities are committing now against their own

1:24:22

people, and against themselves, because

1:24:24

they will have to deal with the consequences, is

1:24:26

that they lie endlessly

1:24:28

about testing. They made up some

1:24:30

190,000 people who supposedly

1:24:33

have been tested. But even now, if you

1:24:35

want to get tested, you won’t be able to.

1:24:39

A doctor will only send you for one if you have

1:24:42

really severe symptoms. Even

1:24:44

if you came from abroad, no one will

1:24:47

send you for testing. And

1:24:48

when they do send you, they’ll take the test and

1:24:51

after a few days it’s unclear whether

1:24:53

they’ll tell you the result or not. By now

1:24:55

the entire internet is full of stories

1:24:57

from people who tried to get

1:24:59

tested. 81,000 people are watching us

1:25:01

live. That’s a record. Ah, well,

1:25:04

you’d almost want to say thank you

1:25:06

to the coronavirus, but I’m not going to say

1:25:08

thank you to the coronavirus. Uh, all of you are in

1:25:11

self-isolation and watching the broadcast.

1:25:13

That’s great. 81,000 people are watching us.

1:25:15

Sergei Dichenko asks: “Why is Putin

1:25:17

in such a hurry? All his actions are unreasonably

1:25:19

hasty.” No, actually, unfortunately,

1:25:21

their actions in this situation

1:25:25

are unreasonably slow, because their

1:25:28

idea is that later on,

1:25:32

after some time, if by some miracle

1:25:35

they dodge it, they can say: “Well, you see,

1:25:37

Europe over there was, as usual, a complete

1:25:39

disaster. In Italy everyone was dying. Italy

1:25:42

only survived at all because

1:25:43

our military virologists went there. And

1:25:46

the EU didn’t help them. We

1:25:48

sent our ordinary military guys,

1:25:51

and they saved the Italians. And here

1:25:53

it’s like God simply protected our land,

1:25:56

as Svetlana Khorkina (Russian Olympic gymnast and public figure) said.

1:25:57

So everything turned out more or less normally

1:25:59

for us. Therefore, let Putin remain

1:26:01

forever. That is, of course, their idea—

1:26:05

to make it look as if things were better here than in

1:26:08

the rest of the world. But looking at what

1:26:11

is happening in Russian hospitals, it very much

1:26:14

looks like things will be worse here. And this

1:26:17

lie about the number of people tested will

1:26:19

backfire badly. And this lie is, well,

1:26:22

being exposed by absolutely everyone. I

1:26:24

specifically asked for a short

1:26:27

one-minute video for our program

1:26:30

from Mark Shirchenko, a local council deputy from the city of Dubna.

1:26:33

This is a city where physicists and scientists live.

1:26:37

And those scientists travel

1:26:40

constantly all over the world. So, in

1:26:42

theory, if testing is being carried out across the whole country,

1:26:44

then a lot of people there should simply

1:26:48

be getting these tests. What is actually

1:26:49

happening in reality? Let’s listen. Mark Shirchenko.

1:26:52

Hello everyone. My name is Mark Shirchenko. I

1:26:54

live in Dubna, a town outside Moscow. And,

1:26:57

I am a deputy of the local city

1:26:58

council and an employee of the Joint

1:27:00

Institute for Nuclear Research. Yesterday

1:27:02

I read the wonderful news that

1:27:04

our—what is she again—Deputy Prime Minister

1:27:06

Golikova had counted nearly 200,000 tests

1:27:09

performed for coronavirus. That

1:27:10

rather astonished me. Naturally, I can’t speak for all of Russia,

1:27:13

but

1:27:14

I can speak specifically about Dubna. And for

1:27:17

context, Dubna has a population of 75,000,

1:27:20

with nearly 5,000 employees at this

1:27:21

international institute, many of whom

1:27:23

travel abroad, mainly to

1:27:25

Europe and to China. And this

1:27:29

happens all the time. Accordingly,

1:27:31

during the entire period of this

1:27:34

epidemic, 54 tests have been done here.

1:27:37

Just 54. So there can be no talk of

1:27:40

anything like 200,000. Even by simply multiplying by

1:27:42

Russia’s population, the numbers don’t add up. In

1:27:44

my replies, though, a whole

1:27:46

sect of math lovers immediately showed up, saying:

1:27:47

“That’s only half as much

1:27:48

as Golikova promised.” Come on, do you

1:27:51

really think that in a city with

1:27:52

a population that is constantly traveling on

1:27:54

business trips abroad, the ratio should be the same as in

1:27:56

some other city—say, if you take

1:27:58

my native Voronezh—the proportion should be identical?

1:28:00

So, well, I don’t believe these figures

1:28:02

at all. I think that

1:28:04

the problem is precisely that there are not enough tests.

1:28:05

enough. For example, here tests are being done

1:28:09

only for those who have returned from abroad and

1:28:12

show signs of illness, and for those

1:28:15

who are admitted with serious ARVI (acute respiratory viral infection) complications and

1:28:18

pneumonia to hospitals. Those are,

1:28:20

essentially, the categories that,

1:28:21

as I understand it, are being tested here.

1:28:23

All the other categories

1:28:24

are simply put under quarantine, and a fairly

1:28:27

basic one at that.

1:28:30

And if you ask me why they are lying

1:28:32

about this testing, I genuinely do not

1:28:35

understand. I mean, this lie is going to

1:28:37

become more and more obvious

1:28:39

as they keep

1:28:41

increasing the supposedly

1:28:42

tested count. If right now they are lying

1:28:44

about 200,000 people having been tested,

1:28:47

then after a while they will have to lie about

1:28:49

250,000 people. And at the same time

1:28:52

there is a growing wave of people who tried

1:28:55

to get tested. And these people

1:28:57

were unable to do so. And they will be posting on

1:28:59

VKontakte, Facebook, telling you,

1:29:02

their friends, their acquaintances, that it is impossible to get

1:29:04

any tests done. And even when you do

1:29:05

manage to take one, getting the result of that test

1:29:08

is impossible too. And it is unclear

1:29:10

there are no tests in Russia at all. And in

1:29:13

fact, our authorities are carefully

1:29:15

making sure that these

1:29:18

rapid tests do not enter the country in large numbers,

1:29:20

the kind they have now learned to make in

1:29:22

Israel, South Korea, and China. They are already

1:29:24

making tests there that can show results in 2

1:29:26

hours or even less

1:29:28

than that. None of that exists here.

1:29:30

There is plenty of money in the country, at least

1:29:32

enough that these tests could have been

1:29:34

brought here. But they are not bringing them in. Why

1:29:38

do they not want to identify the true number of cases? I mean,

1:29:40

I mean,

1:29:41

well, after all, no one is

1:29:43

accusing Putin of bringing

1:29:46

the coronavirus to Russia. And no one is accusing Sobyanin (the mayor of Moscow) either.

1:29:48

Just tell it like it is.

1:29:49

Say: yes, this is how it turned out. All over

1:29:51

the world things are bad. And here right now we do not have

1:29:53

tests, there are this many infected people,

1:29:55

but they lie. They say that in

1:29:57

Russia the number of cases is lower than

1:30:01

in Luxembourg. Just look at the size of

1:30:04

Russia and the size of Luxembourg. You can,

1:30:06

of course, say that in Luxembourg

1:30:07

the population is more mobile, it is in Europe,

1:30:09

whereas Russia is more remote.

1:30:11

Russia is remote, of course, but in Moscow and

1:30:14

in other major cities there are hundreds

1:30:17

of thousands of people who also travel

1:30:18

abroad, and they bring this, this

1:30:21

virus back here. And of course there is far

1:30:23

more of it. That is not a reason to panic, but

1:30:25

why lie about it? Well, because they

1:30:28

simply always lie. They lie and stage

1:30:31

some kind of PR stunts. Anatoly Dast asks me:

1:30:33

"8,000 people are watching us live.

1:30:36

When will you, how would you

1:30:38

comment on Putin's yellow protective suit

1:30:40

?" Well, let me

1:30:42

comment on Putin's yellow protective suit

1:30:44

now. This is, of course, a typical

1:30:48

example of how this entire government

1:30:51

does everything for television. They sat there

1:30:54

thinking not about how to fight

1:30:56

the coronavirus, but about what kind of, you know,

1:30:58

picture they should present.

1:31:00

And the picture they came up with was the same kind

1:31:03

they always come up with,

1:31:04

more or less the same thing. One moment Putin is riding

1:31:06

a horse, the next he is flying with some

1:31:08

Siberian cranes, then he is

1:31:12

well, flying a plane, diving down and

1:31:15

coming back up with amphorae. And now

1:31:17

let us put him in some kind of yellow

1:31:19

suit and send him to a hospital where

1:31:22

patients with

1:31:24

coronavirus are being treated. And this is the main,

1:31:27

indeed essentially the only

1:31:28

specialized hospital. Why the hell go there,

1:31:30

is beyond me. And from the standpoint of

1:31:33

the risk of getting sick, the president should not expose

1:31:36

himself to such danger. And from the standpoint of

1:31:38

the fact that, well, you understand, in our

1:31:40

country, where the president's motorcade is 8 km long

1:31:43

(about 5 miles), for him to go anywhere simply

1:31:46

paralyzes the work of an institution for

1:31:49

several hours. Why the hell do you need

1:31:51

to go to a hospital? Just call in those

1:31:53

doctors; if you need a photo op, put on

1:31:56

a white coat and hold some kind of meeting.

1:31:57

But no, it was absolutely necessary

1:31:59

to go to that very hospital. So I think

1:32:01

this was, of course, simply

1:32:02

some monumental stupidity. But there was also

1:32:04

a rather amusing

1:32:08

situation involving Dr. Dmitry

1:32:11

Gorkaviy, who, probably, whom

1:32:14

I did not treat entirely fairly when I

1:32:16

went after him; he got caught in the crossfire. And so I wanted

1:32:18

to explain in more detail

1:32:21

so that no one is left with the impression that

1:32:23

I unfairly accused the man.

1:32:25

This whole PR stunt was devised

1:32:27

so that Putin would go there. And then all over

1:32:29

television they said that

1:32:32

Putin was the only person who

1:32:35

visited this dangerous

1:32:37

medical facility where he could have turned into

1:32:40

a zombie. And Ksenia Sobchak spoke very well

1:32:42

about this on Channel One (Russia's main state TV channel).

1:32:44

I will stay on screen now so that

1:32:46

Channel One does not block us, and you

1:32:48

watch Ksenia Sobchak.

1:32:51

Our president is the only one among

1:32:52

European leaders who has visited

1:32:54

a clinic where people with

1:32:56

suspected coronavirus are being treated. Today he

1:32:59

visited the hospital in Kommunarka (a district of Moscow). Here are these

1:33:02

footage.

1:33:04

But our film crew also

1:33:08

went there.

1:33:11

This footage here—it’s a pity she didn’t say whether it was,

1:33:13

some kind of sacred footage or just

1:33:15

remarkable footage. I saw some kind of

1:33:16

after that there was a joke that Putin was

1:33:18

the only one of the European leaders

1:33:20

who visited the hospital in Kommunarka (a settlement outside Moscow).

1:33:22

Ah, well, it was obviously a PR stunt. And in

1:33:24

this PR operation there was a man involved,

1:33:27

Dmitry Gorkavi, who

1:33:29

ended up in the hospital. Frankly,

1:33:31

it looked rather suspicious. I

1:33:33

saw a post by one of the doctors saying that

1:33:34

a man had ended up in the hospital with,

1:33:36

pneumonia, severe

1:33:38

pneumonia, and at the same time had developed

1:33:40

some kind of hyperactivity. He started running

1:33:42

Telegram channels. On Telegram he began

1:33:44

talking about what a great hospital it was,

1:33:46

how tasty the food was there. He photographed

1:33:50

the food, posted it, and, well, discussed

1:33:53

how wonderful everything was in this

1:33:54

hospital. Then Putin comes to this hospital,

1:33:57

meets with this Dmitry

1:33:59

Gorkavi, and has some kind of conversation. After that

1:34:02

Dmitry Gorkavi, despite his

1:34:03

pneumonia, gives interviews to

1:34:05

pretty much every channel—Channel One, Channel Two,

1:34:08

Channel Twenty-Seven. And generally appears

1:34:10

everywhere, telling the same story, and everywhere

1:34:12

the headlines come out: how a hospital patient

1:34:15

described meeting Putin—as if,

1:34:18

so to speak, Young Pioneers had met Grandpa

1:34:19

Lenin (a Soviet-era propaganda-style comparison). And then the next day, or

1:34:22

maybe even that same day, it turned out that

1:34:24

Dmitry had tested negative for

1:34:25

coronavirus. And apparently he had almost

1:34:27

recovered, and I saw a sarcastic post

1:34:29

from one of the doctors, reposted it, and

1:34:30

wrote that, uh, well, it looked like they had even

1:34:33

used a fake patient. But I

1:34:35

got in touch with people—I didn’t speak to

1:34:38

Dmitry himself, but several doctors wrote to me

1:34:40

that, well, maybe because he turned out to be a doctor too.

1:34:43

This Dmitry Gorkavi, he

1:34:45

turned out to be a doctor. And, naturally,

1:34:47

everyone started writing: "Well, this is just

1:34:48

some absolute fake fabrication." But,

1:34:52

apparently Dmitry really was

1:34:53

being treated there for pneumonia.

1:34:55

Probably, simply in order to

1:34:56

help his colleagues in the profession, he

1:34:58

approached

1:35:02

Putin’s visit with a bit too much enthusiasm and made those cheerful

1:35:04

reports. But nevertheless, he

1:35:06

is certainly not a fake

1:35:08

patient. He is there with

1:35:09

pneumonia. And so I offer my apologies

1:35:12

to Dmitry and to everyone who, so to speak,

1:35:16

after reading my tweet, uh, thought badly

1:35:19

of him. Uh, and of course a separate apology

1:35:22

for the fact that people wrote him

1:35:24

a lot of rather unpleasant things

1:35:27

in the comments, uh, under his

1:35:30

various posts. But overall, of course,

1:35:32

this whole situation also shows that

1:35:36

they don’t want to do anything; they’re simply

1:35:37

producing some kind of PR product. But as for any

1:35:39

real, uh, product of fighting the

1:35:42

epidemic, they don’t understand it, they don’t know how,

1:35:44

there is no strategy. And that is where

1:35:46

all these rumors come from. At the beginning I

1:35:47

was answering the question of whether they would

1:35:49

send troops into Moscow, whether there would be

1:35:52

a state of emergency, whether there would be

1:35:54

a quarantine. All of this is genuinely very

1:35:57

unclear and uncertain. And in his address Putin

1:35:59

should have said something straightforward,

1:36:01

namely: you know,

1:36:03

we are now introducing a non-working

1:36:05

week, but if things get worse, we will impose

1:36:06

a quarantine, so be prepared that we will not

1:36:09

let you leave your apartments. For some reason he

1:36:11

didn’t say that. And that simply

1:36:13

just

1:36:15

uh

1:36:17

and that shows that they simply

1:36:20

really don’t know what to do. But out of

1:36:22

inertia, out of habit, they still

1:36:25

keep on lying and producing

1:36:27

these kinds of staged reports with those very

1:36:30

yellow suits, reports with

1:36:32

fishermen, like the reports they did with everyone

1:36:35

else. And all of this, all of this, all of this

1:36:39

will lead,

1:36:41

unfortunately, to a bad situation,

1:36:42

because the reality is that, especially if we

1:36:46

move away from Moscow somewhere, even to

1:36:48

some nearby part of European

1:36:50

Russia, things are very, very bad. If in fact

1:36:55

we end up with not hundreds of

1:36:57

thousands of infections, as in Europe, and

1:37:01

even if the mortality rate—we hope

1:37:03

it will be very low—and

1:37:05

even if it mostly affects only

1:37:06

very elderly people. But if in Europe

1:37:09

it is already difficult to save these elderly people, and there

1:37:11

you really very often have to face

1:37:14

a choice: they bring you

1:37:16

a thirty-year-old and an eighty-year-old, and

1:37:18

you start treating the, uh,

1:37:20

thirty-year-old, while the eighty-year-old

1:37:22

is essentially written off. A tragedy, an enormous

1:37:24

human tragedy. You understand that

1:37:26

the person will die because you simply

1:37:27

do not have a

1:37:28

ventilator. In

1:37:30

Europe everything is very difficult. Here, in

1:37:32

principle, not a damn thing works in

1:37:34

healthcare. And one of the

1:37:37

unfolding

1:37:38

catastrophes happening before our eyes,

1:37:41

which, unfortunately, not many

1:37:43

people are paying attention to, is the complete

1:37:44

lack of protective equipment for medical staff. And

1:37:47

Italy’s mistake was that

1:37:50

From the very beginning, they did not deal with protective equipment

1:37:52

for medical workers, and doctors turned into

1:37:55

people who infected everyone around them.

1:37:57

They infected elderly people in all

1:37:59

the hospitals, because at that time

1:38:02

they did not understand that a doctor, of course,

1:38:04

will save everyone, but an infected doctor without

1:38:07

protective equipment is simply a mechanism

1:38:10

for infecting everyone around them. And today on

1:38:13

Twitter I just logged in and saw a video from a doctor

1:38:16

from Vladimir Region. Let's watch.

1:38:18

Hello, dear friends, respected

1:38:20

colleagues. I am ready to go out to a coronavirus

1:38:24

hotspot. This is what the

1:38:27

suit looks like. True, I don't have gloves, but

1:38:29

I will put them on later, when I go in to see the child.

1:38:32

They get in the way. This suit was issued for only 4

1:38:37

days. There are no more suits left at the outpatient clinic.

1:38:40

There are no masks.

1:38:43

No disposable spatulas—there is nothing at all.

1:38:47

They are forcing us to work.

1:38:50

Mr. Putin promised a bonus payment, but they said:

1:38:54

"No, on top of that,

1:38:57

for January and February they cut our

1:39:02

salary by 5%."

1:39:03

This is Aleksandrovsky District,

1:39:06

Vladimir Region, the town of Strunino.

1:39:09

That's all, bye. I'm off.

1:39:13

This is a town, not a village; this is not a

1:39:14

feldsher-midwife station (a small rural medical post), this is a

1:39:16

hospital in a town, and there is nothing there. In fact,

1:39:18

across the whole country there is an absolutely

1:39:20

colossal, simply terrible,

1:39:22

monstrous situation. And instead of

1:39:25

admitting it and saying that,

1:39:27

guys, we have a major problem right now,

1:39:28

we cannot buy ventilators for Russia right now,

1:39:31

even though we could, we have

1:39:32

enough money, well, at least let us

1:39:34

buy protective equipment for medical workers. But they,

1:39:37

do not buy it, and instead lie that this

1:39:40

protective equipment exists. Moreover, both

1:39:41

the management and the Ministry of

1:39:43

Health are forcing chief

1:39:45

doctors to lie about it. Yesterday I posted, uh,

1:39:49

a letter that was sent to the Doctors' Alliance union

1:39:51

by a doctor from the town of Kalach

1:39:54

on the Don, in Volgograd Region. Well, and

1:39:56

she writes, and accordingly the Doctors' Alliance

1:39:58

forwarded it to me: look at what

1:39:59

is happening. And she writes: guys, we

1:40:01

have nothing in the hospital. We have three

1:40:03

machines, one of which is broken. We

1:40:06

have no antiseptics. They are making us sew

1:40:08

gauze masks by hand ourselves, and then

1:40:10

wash them. I post this, and it,

1:40:13

naturally, spread widely. This morning

1:40:15

they sent me a screenshot: some chief

1:40:18

doctor at that hospital was writing to a nurse,

1:40:21

not saying, you know, how great you are,

1:40:23

Alexandra, for writing all this,

1:40:26

because now

1:40:27

the Volgograd regional government

1:40:29

is finally buying us masks and protective

1:40:30

equipment. No. Instead, he writes to her: "Why did you

1:40:33

do this? See you in court, I'll fire

1:40:35

you." And then starts intimidating her. Well,

1:40:37

simply

1:40:39

why? You really do have nothing.

1:40:43

Why try to hide it? Because

1:40:46

if in the town of Kalach five

1:40:49

elderly people with this coronavirus

1:40:52

just five elderly people will

1:40:54

need artificial lung ventilation

1:40:56

and they have three ventilators, one of

1:40:58

which is broken, then that means two can be

1:41:00

saved and three will die. And the doctors who

1:41:05

work at the hospital in the town of Kalach

1:41:07

on the Don are in fact

1:41:09

going to be sources of infection,

1:41:12

because without protective equipment they will infect

1:41:14

everyone around them. So why are you

1:41:16

covering all this up? Why are you hiding all this? This is

1:41:19

simply a catastrophe. When

1:41:21

people start dying later, what are you going to

1:41:23

say? You will just write it all off.

1:41:25

Because when one person dies, it is

1:41:27

a tragedy. When 1,000 people die,

1:41:28

that is already just statistics. Well, that is probably

1:41:30

the calculation. I asked

1:41:33

the union to contact this doctor. Such a

1:41:35

brave woman. She did not give in to

1:41:39

pressure from this chief doctor and even

1:41:41

recorded a one-minute video about

1:41:43

what is happening there.

1:41:46

Friends, my name is Tatyana. I am an

1:41:49

anesthesiologist-resuscitation specialist.

1:41:52

I work at the Central District Hospital. I am also a Zemsky Doctor (a state program for doctors working in rural areas).

1:41:55

I have been working here for a year now. This is

1:41:58

Volgograd Region, a small town.

1:42:01

Medical workers are not being provided with

1:42:03

personal protective equipment, because

1:42:05

we do not have anti-plague suits, we

1:42:08

do not have N95 or FFP respirators, we

1:42:12

do not have special

1:42:15

face shields, we do not have goggles, we do not have skin

1:42:18

antiseptic, we do not have

1:42:21

reagents. The chief doctor issued, issued

1:42:25

a local order stating

1:42:28

that gauze masks must be sewn.

1:42:32

The management claims, reports at

1:42:35

every doctors' conference, that we

1:42:38

have all personal protective equipment,

1:42:41

that we are fully supplied, that everything will be

1:42:44

fine, that we are ready for anything. All of this

1:42:47

is a lie. We are not ready, we have

1:42:51

nothing. And we are not provided with any

1:42:53

personal protective equipment.

1:42:56

And if a patient like that actually

1:42:59

comes in and I have to go up to

1:43:02

them in the admissions department—yes, if they are

1:43:04

serious, they will call me, and I will go

1:43:08

wearing nothing but this little mask.

1:43:13

An amazing, brave doctor, whom I

1:43:15

called Alexandra, but in fact she is

1:43:17

Tatyana. Glory to decent, honest

1:43:20

doctors who are helping right now,

1:43:23

who are working and are not afraid to speak about

1:43:25

problems. And of course, shame on this

1:43:27

chief doctor, who right now,

1:43:29

you understand, there’s an epidemic raging, and yet his

1:43:32

one task is to make sure no one sees

1:43:35

that Navalny wrote on Twitter

1:43:37

that they don’t have this skin,

1:43:39

God, they don’t have antiseptic, damn it.

1:43:42

But they’re trying to hush this situation up. And,

1:43:45

uh, right now, of course, each of us simply

1:43:47

as a top-priority and genuinely

1:43:49

very cheap measure. But this is practically

1:43:52

nothing in terms of the country’s budget,

1:43:54

in terms of the healthcare budget,

1:43:55

to provide all doctors, nurses,

1:43:58

orderlies with protective equipment—it costs

1:44:00

next to nothing. But they’ll do it only

1:44:03

if there is pressure. But there is no pressure; we

1:44:05

only we, together with you, can

1:44:07

create it. And this is something we need to work on

1:44:09

every day. As I wrap up the program, I want

1:44:11

to show you a very, very horrible,

1:44:13

horrible, disgusting photograph. And

1:44:16

if you think I’m about to show you zombies

1:44:19

created by the coronavirus, well,

1:44:22

it’s even worse than that. Please show this

1:44:23

photograph. This is the Boyarsky father and son. Uh,

1:44:28

Mikhail Boyarsky, a wonderful Soviet

1:44:30

actor. And who now is also

1:44:33

put the photo back, keep it up, let

1:44:35

people look at it. 85,000 people are watching it live.

1:44:37

They’re looking at this awful photograph.

1:44:39

Mikhail Boyarsky is a wonderful actor, but

1:44:40

now, of course, he is an utterly bought-and-paid-for

1:44:42

toady, singing some kind of

1:44:45

hosanna to Putin. And standing next to him is a completely

1:44:48

vile little creature. This is his son Sergei

1:44:51

Boyarsky, who, unlike Mikhail

1:44:53

Boyarsky, means absolutely nothing to us. He

1:44:55

didn’t star in *The Three Musketeers*. And this

1:44:57

crook, who sits in the State Duma

1:44:59

as a deputy from United Russia, and these two

1:45:01

hypocrites are standing there with signs saying: "Thank you

1:45:05

doctors." Here’s one: a Putin campaign surrogate.

1:45:08

The other is a State Duma deputy

1:45:11

who votes on the budget. Because of

1:45:13

both of them, Tatyana from the town of Kalach-on-Don

1:45:17

does not have hand sanitizer and does not

1:45:20

have a proper mask. She has to

1:45:22

make one herself, sew it herself—in the 21st century, in 2020, she herself

1:45:27

has to sew a gauze mask. So I have

1:45:29

therefore, uh, a proposal for the Boyarsky

1:45:32

family, such a powerful, well-connected

1:45:35

family, one that, well, comes from that old

1:45:37

St. Petersburg clique—they lived in the same building as

1:45:40

Sobchak (Anatoly Sobchak, former mayor of St. Petersburg), they socialized with Putin.

1:45:42

Please, dear Boyarskys, make sure

1:45:45

that instead of standing there with your

1:45:48

hypocritical signs saying, "Thank you, doctors,"

1:45:51

you make it so that at least in the hospital

1:45:53

of the town of Kalach-on-Don

1:45:55

in Volgograd Region there finally appear

1:45:57

basic protective equipment

1:46:01

for doctors. Once you do that, then

1:46:03

you will have the moral right to stand there with

1:46:06

some signs, thanking

1:46:07

someone, or saying anything at all

1:46:09

in public, because right now you are

1:46:11

part of the authorities, and you bear

1:46:13

responsibility for everything that is happening.

1:46:16

Thank you very much to everyone who watched. It was

1:46:18

great being with you. See you

1:46:21

next Thursday, if the coronavirus lets us

1:46:23

do it. Bye.

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