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8:18 p.m. in Moscow. Alexei Navalny's studio.
Or a person who quite plainly does not
match the political scale and
of the largest country in the world, as one
Kremlin political analyst once called me. I am
very, very glad to be with you, because
by all my calculations,
and not just mine, most
observers were assuring me that over the next
three episodes at least, I would not be able to host
this program because I would be spending time in
a special detention center. Nevertheless, that did not
happen. Something I don't quite understand
took place: on the 28th, I was detained and
I was preparing to go away for 30 days, but
then suddenly they released me, having confiscated
my phone, and now
the astonishing thing is that, in effect, I
am now trying to get the police and those who are
handling this to do something already—come on, put me on trial
at last—but they don't want to. My lawyer
comes, and they don't give her a single document.
They still haven't given me a copy of the police report
in hand. When the court hearing will be, they say, is unknown. But
apparently the plan is quite simple:
not to lock me up now, because if
they lock me up now, I'll be out in 30
days—that is, roughly speaking, by March 1. They need to
put me away in such a way that I
am jailed right before the election,
on voting day, or better yet, on the day
of the vote—or better still, so that I spend the whole
of March sitting in a detention center, because
for some reason Putin seems to think that if
they throw me in jail then, you will work less
and the headquarters will, let's say,
lose the momentum of our strike. That
most definitely will not happen. Just
be prepared for the fact that after some
time, other people will be replacing me on this broadcast.
That's nothing страшного—after all,
they've already jailed all the hosts of
*Cactus* (a Russian political talk show); we found people who
could replace them, and they'll replace me too. Everything will be
completely fine.
Great job—well done to everyone who took part in
the January 28 protest.
It was really cool, it was
simply wonderful,
just amazing. People are asking me here in the chat
how I assess the results of the protest. I assess
the results this way: you and I
have seen for ourselves
that we have created a living political network. The
protest took place in 118 cities across Russia, and
in 27 of them, we didn't even really understand
who exactly was organizing it or how it was being organized. In
most of the country, it was already
for the most part terribly
cold. In 26 cities, the protests were
not authorized at all, and nevertheless
they still took place. That means that you and I,
my friends, did not pour 225 million rubles (about US$4 million at the time) into
some unknown void, but built
a real political network. In some places
more people come out, in others
fewer people come out.
When only a few come out, of course you wish
more had come—but one way or another, it works. We
come up with something and decide together:
let's hold a nationwide protest. We
press the launch button here, and
it starts working—this
nervous system, signals pass through it, and
in every city people do something. No one
forces these people, no one
pays them. They themselves understand
that they are part of this living political
system. That is the most important thing. But still,
protests—and politics in this country in general—
have to be understood by comparison. We have
a country that is, in principle, very inert, and
in general, doing anything here in terms of
politics is very difficult, especially
when it comes to holding mass protests. What can we compare it to?
Well, I made a note of something just now,
simply out of curiosity: the Communists
are holding a nationwide protest for
social justice in February, and on the 3rd
of February they announced there would be
a nationwide protest. It's not that
I want to laugh at
the Communists or troll them—let's
just look. This is the country's second-largest
political force, which
receives billions of rubles from the state budget,
and has deputies in every federal subject (region)
of the federation.
There are deputies in every city; this is
hundreds of thousands of members. In the State Duma (Russia's lower house of parliament), they have
had a faction for many, many years; they had black
cars and
even flashing lights, or used to have them, and all that.
But just watch: their
nationwide protest will take place,
and compare it with our nationwide protest.
They are happening at roughly the same time,
so you can't really blame it on the weather,
and you will see that you and I
have created the largest truly
existing living political network
in the country. Usually, how does it happen?
There was an election, or some party-building effort,
a ton of money was spent, and then all
of it just dissolved and ceased to exist.
But that's not how it is with us. We built this thing, and it
works for us. That is a very great
achievement. This network does not belong to me,
it does not belong to the Anti-Corruption Foundation, and it does not
even belong to the election campaign headquarters.
It belongs to you. I am very glad
that this is exactly how you see it,
that you use it, take part in it, go out
and do all of this. It is
simply amazing. We are, of course,
naturally seeing quite a
brisk reaction from the authorities to the creation of it.
this network and the work of this network, this is
a pretty brisk reaction, and it shows up in
all kinds of ways in the regions right now
let me look at the statistics now, quite a
a lot of people have been prosecuted
by now, people have already been unlawfully brought to
liability; as for those arrested, we have
probably around 40 people already, which is quite
a lot of people who have been fined
illegally. In other words, they’re afraid of us. For me personally,
it was quite difficult to make it to
Tverskaya Street on January 28. It was a whole kind of
either a second-rate action movie or
a comedy, because after me, because of
the head of the Anti-Corruption Foundation
the campaign chief
Roman Rubanov, and the campaign chief
Leonid Volkov, after our chief
lawyer Ivan Zhdanov, on the eve of any
actions there was this really very tight
surveillance: too many people, too many cars, every
your
every one of your steps is monitored, but
I really wanted to get to the rally
because I was there on March 26, but at all the other
rallies I didn’t even manage to attend, because I was
always detained at home. At some point I said
to myself,
“Alexei, please try, even if
despite the fact that you’ll have to do
these fairly comical things, act like you’re
running from a chase, please try
to make it to Tverskaya on the 28th after all.” I
managed it, but really, in fact, it
looked like some kind of second-rate
action movie, except nobody was killing anyone and
nothing was exploding. I was on Sanders
somehow jumping out of a car, into the metro
literally running away from surveillance, and these
people who are following you, at first they
pretend they’re just walking and don’t
notice you, then they literally suddenly
start running; you jump into a metro car, and they
jump in after you. If anyone
ever, I don’t know, gets footage from
the metro’s surveillance cameras from the
exact moment when I escaped into
the metro from that tail,
it will be very funny. And really, you’re
literally running and thinking, “My God, you’re forty
one years old, and basically you’re a lawyer, you do
serious work, but on the other hand, somehow
as I was running I thought, well, this is probably what
they call an interesting life. In any
case, I was very happy that I at least
managed to be on Tverskaya Street, even if only briefly
.
The nearest police officer who
saw me recognized me, of course—I could clearly see it
—reported it immediately, then this bus pulled up and these
“cosmonauts” (slang for riot police in full gear) detained me. But still,
that running around the metro, then two days
of not sleeping at home, the phone and
it all added up into this rather
strange and low-grade spy
story. But nevertheless, as a
result of all that, on the 28th I managed to go out
into the street, see all of you, and together with
you walk at least a few hundred meters
which I was very glad about. In the regions, people are also being
cracked down on. Why? Because they’re afraid. But I’m
very glad to see that they haven’t
intimidated anyone at all, and they haven’t managed
to scare people, even though there are some pretty unpleasant, fairly
long administrative
sentences being handed down—some people get 30
days; a coordinator in St. Petersburg received
20 days in Kaliningrad
but nevertheless, no one is giving up, no one
is afraid, everyone is participating, and everyone
understands the value of this, our
political network, and how one needs to work in it
I remind you that you can
write to me using the hashtag #Navalny2018
ask questions, so send in your questions and
I’ll answer them
Alex RM asks me: what do you think,
is it realistic in the near future to organize
a rally comparable in size to
Bolotnaya in 2012? It is realistic
Well, as you remember, Bolotnaya in 2012 was
an authorized rally. Actually,
that’s why, since what year now,
probably since 2014 or even 2013,
not a single rally for our specific group has been
approved. That is,
they either send us off somewhere temporarily
to Maryino or Shchukino (districts in Moscow), or somewhere else, or
we hold an unauthorized rally
because they’re afraid. If we had a month
to prepare such an authorized event
—and authorized events always draw
an order of magnitude more people—then I think, of course,
it would be possible. The authorities are simply afraid of that
and that is exactly why they don’t allow it
Even unauthorized rallies draw
20,000 or 30,000 people there, but if you
translate that into a legal
version, a fully legal, properly
authorized one, then that’s your Bolotnaya
right there
41 people
have currently received administrative
arrest; others have been fined, and so on. They are very,
very afraid of any of our actions
Something completely comical came in today
—news that indeed
this information has been verified
Recently, some initial reports simply started appearing online
saying that in Russia’s regions
where banners with Putin are hanging, you can see
those traditional campaign banners
with Putin, and
police cars are parked there. People noticed
this and started looking into it, and it turned out
that police officers are literally guarding those
banners. All of Novokuznetsk is talking about it
There’s been yet another confirmation that this is indeed the case:
the police are guarding
Putin campaign billboards so that no one
writes “thief” on them, because that’s
what’s happening in some regions. And just
imagine what
Russian police officers must feel, those who
took an oath, those officers
who believe they’re doing something
useful with their lives—and then they have to spend the whole
night sitting in a car. And very often they’re even asked
to do it in unmarked civilian cars,
in plain clothes, guarding
a billboard of the “beloved by all” Vladimir
Vladimirovich Putin so that no one
comes up to it and writes
“thief” on it with spray paint. You know what to do.
So yes—but you can spot them: if
there’s some car nearby and below it
two people are standing guard, then that’s
the police. Our leaflets—fine, the billboards—but our
leaflets are simply ordinary
guerrilla-style flyers, and they’re considered so
dangerous that the election commissions
in a number of regions have said that
they are criminal. Today in Mozdok, Rosberg, AMV—
the Investigative Committee was asked
to determine whether
these leaflets might
constitute a criminal offense.
Can you imagine the level of panic they’re in
simply because you’re printing
these leaflets and posting them in apartment building entrances?
Today Ella Pamfilova once again
greatly surprised us by saying
that
of course no one has the right
to campaign for a boycott—or rather, some
people do have the right to campaign for a boycott,
but to do that they must be registered candidates,
Ella Pamfilova said.
It’s an astonishing construct. In other words, for me,
an ordinary
average Kolya Ivanov, a citizen of Russia,
to say, “I do not recognize these
elections, I urge everyone not to go to these
elections,” I first have to register
as a presidential candidate and open
an election campaign account.
And from that campaign account, Kolya
Ivanov would have to pay for a leaflet
that he prints on his home printer.
That is utterly absurd.
Anyway, we’ve made a new leaflet,
by the way,
one that Pamfilova really shouldn’t
have any complaints about. Our lawyers removed
everything that could even theoretically
contradict the law. Look: there is no
word “Putin” here, there is no campaigning
for or against any candidate—nothing of the sort.
It simply says: “You don’t matter to them. Don’t go.”
And surely everyone has the right to do that without any
restrictions. Go to the boycott website;
the link will be in the description of this video, and
print them and distribute them. We would like to have a dialogue with Ella
Pamfilova
both on the issue of campaigning and on the issue of
election monitoring, because she
has said many, many times—and when I
was at the Central Election Commission and she was refusing
to register me, she said to the young people there,
“These are young guys, they’re such good
kids. Navalny, that scoundrel, has filled their heads with nonsense, but
you’re such good young people, just very
mistaken, and I’m ready
to meet with you, ready to talk, ready
to have a dialogue, and together we’ll
work something out.” Well then, dear
Ella Aleksandrovna, we very much want to
meet with you. We have a whole
delegation—Leonid Volkov, Ivan Zhdanov, and I—and we
really do want to, without any
jokes, without trolling, without any
antics. It’s not that we’re inviting you
to our office—we understand you won’t come,
that you’ll be afraid of what we might do to you—
but yes, we would like to hold
a meeting in order to understand
why you consider our leaflets
illegal, even though that directly contradicts
current law, and in general
what is happening with election monitoring.
Monitoring is important to us. Everyone asks
what we are going to do now, whether we clearly understand
our plan. We do clearly understand
our plan. There are
about 45 days left until voting day, a little more, and
our main task for these 45 days is
organizing election monitoring. We are
boycotting these elections, we are campaigning against them, but
we are also monitoring them. In the description of this
video there is a link—the usual one,
Navalny 2018—and it will go live tonight.
Tonight, there will already be
a special form there. Those watching this
broadcast not live, but
tomorrow, the day after, and so on—go there.
We are registering observers there. You
can fill out your form
and choose the polling station
closest to you, or we will suggest
another one. This is critically important.
Why? Because turnout is falsified.
Who among you believes in 99 percent turnout in
the North Caucasus? Who among you believes in 83
percent
in Bashkiria (Bashkortostan)? None of you
believes that Novosibirsk Region
and Kemerovo Region, which are right next to each other,
with basically the same people living close by,
and yet, amazingly, in
Novosibirsk Region, 40 percent fewer
people take part in the election. That
is simply impossible in principle. But we
understand that these votes are falsified.
That is why we are now announcing a large-scale
recruitment drive for election observers, especially in the regions.
To be honest, here in Moscow we expect
turnout figures to be falsified, but in the regions even more so
we expect especially heavy falsification
of turnout in the Moscow region
and, naturally, in the Volga region and Tatarstan
Bashkortostan, Mordovia, and of course the North
Caucasus, and it is precisely in the regions that we will
be working—first and foremost in St. Petersburg
By the way, from what I've been told, not
a single election in St. Petersburg has ever taken place without
such blatant, massive, and brazen
fraud. So
I am announcing a real call for election observers
a real call, not the usual thing where
it's something like 3,000 people in Moscow, 1
thousand in St. Petersburg, and 500 across the whole
country. No.
We are determined to train thousands and thousands
tens of thousands of people across the country
deploy them, and collect
their data and process it. We are going to do this
because we understand perfectly well that old man
Putin, in order to show his
70 percent turnout, in order to
stage a nationwide victory, needs to
falsify
the voting results. And we will fight
that falsification together with you. I mean,
I won't be able to do it alone from Moscow, from this studio
Come join us—we'll fight together.
So, questions. Let's put some questions up.
And please tell me, has Belykh
already been sentenced or not?
No, not yet, as far as I can see. Yes,
they're asking how badly
the studio was trashed. Well, I don't know how it looks
on your screens—I probably look rather
harsh right now, and that's because
the studio really was pretty badly
wrecked. They took away, again,
cameras, computers, and so we've got a terrible
mess going on. In fact, the first
episodes on Navalny Live or on Cactus
in the news—you saw them—they were not just
slightly yellowish; it was like
the hosts looked like little chicks
sitting in the studio, because we were simply
filming with ordinary cheap webcams
at first. But now we've somehow
managed to get some equipment, rented some,
kind people brought some in, and we
are continuing to raise funds for
Operation Phoenix—that is, an operation
of revival. They rob us, and we want to show
that despite the fact that they blocked
our legal entity and froze 2 million
300 thousand rubles (about 2.3 million rubles)
despite the fact that once again they've
cleaned us out of our equipment, we will still be able to
recover and still be able
to keep working, and I hope you will
help us. During the last broadcast I raised
about 200,000 rubles
The live broadcast on January 28 raised
1 million 700 thousand rubles—800 thousand
rubles—they're telling me, actually 1 million 400
thousand rubles. So we will keep raising money
until we collect this amount—2 million 300 thousand
exactly the amount that was blocked in our
account.
Jeffrey asks sincerely:
I support you, but are we going to use
other methods of nonviolent
resistance—not just rallies?
Well, Jeffrey, people ask about this often:
will you use other
methods? What methods, Jeffrey? Of course we
will use everything we intend
to do already. As I already said,
we are organizing election monitoring—that is
the main line of work. Campaigning is
another main line of work. We are trying
to make our campaigning more sophisticated, more
systematic, but given how they crack down on it,
of course
an ordinary person who prints something out
on a printer and puts it up in their apartment building is
the main tool of campaigning. That is what we
will be doing. In principle, any
methods—we want to, are ready to, and will
use them. But we need to be
inventive. People very often write:
When are you going to do graffiti? When are you
going to do, I don't know,
art photography, and so on? But
guys, all of that can be done, but still
if we're talking about graffiti, we can
hire or find a volunteer who
will make one great piece of graffiti on
some cool wall in Moscow
but that isn't systematic work. We want
to do things in which, if not all
volunteers can take part, then at least
a significant share of them can—things that matter
things that thousands of people can do. Thousands
of people still can't just go and paint graffiti
you need skill, talent, a spray can, and
everything else. So if there are some cool
exotic, effective methods
but individual ones, then please use them
yourselves. You don't need my team or
my blessing, as if I have to
approve it so that some graffiti saying
"Aristov" or whatever can be painted somewhere—go ahead, well done.
Anything you feel capable of, anything
that can be done to fight this vile
regime—do it. We will try
to do the more systematic things, which is
what
our organization is for. Vladimir
asks: when will there be car stickers with
the boycott message? We are making car stickers, well
but they confiscate them. We make them, but
we'll make stickers again and spend the money again. Khalif Ul
asks: President Vladimir Putin
spent a billion rubles on his election campaign
exceeding the legal limit several times over. How
do you think—will Putin report himself for that?
On the subject of the elections, what do you think?
Putin has effectively exempted himself from real participation in the election, right?
There was an investigation in *Sobesednik* (a Russian newspaper) where
a reporter simply sat down and calculated
how much Putin, formally speaking, should have spent on all this
and came up with about 1 billion rubles
while the maximum size
of an election fund is 400 million rubles
but I’d say it was actually much
more than 1 billion rubles. Well yes, it
isn’t even really possible to calculate it all.
All the TV channels, all the news programs, just nonstop
— all of it devoted to him, even back in 2018.
Everything is working for Putin.
Just think: how much do those top
hosts on the *Vremya* news program cost? It’s impossible
to calculate. His election campaign has swallowed the entire country.
It’s the use
of the whole country. As I understand it, this weekend
they’re starting their pro-Putin events
all across the country — that is, rallies
that, as we can see, are happening in huge
numbers.
They’re herding students there again, herding
state employees there again. Calculate how much that costs.
Calculate how much the police cost, the police who
were running around there, chasing me, Volkov, Rubanov,
and
and really people all across the country. It’s
tens of billions of rubles.
The entire country’s economy is now working
to help Putin re-elect himself.
It’s all very sad, so there’s really
— Shershavy or Seshcha, however you come up with
these nicknames — asks:
“What do you think about the list
of Putin’s trusted representatives? Do these people
bear moral responsibility for
supporting Putin?”
“Is public condemnation of
these people necessary, regardless of the awards they’ve received
for their loyalty to Putin?” You put it correctly:
they are indeed his widowed—
No, of course they are not Putin’s
trusted representatives — it’s disgusting, very disgusting
to watch. Some people, even elderly
people — my God, Yevgeny Petrosyan (a well-known Russian comedian) is there. Why
does he need this? Some athletes,
some actors, and in general even fairly
distinguished people whom we might have considered
decent people — and there they are, standing there
on their hind legs for him. Recently there was again some kind of gathering
of these trusted representatives.
It’s revolting to watch. Of course these
people should be subjected to
public condemnation, regardless
of their awards. They can’t tell us, in effect,
“Look, I’m an honored film artist,”
or “I’m an honored doctor,” or “I’m an honored
athlete, I won three Olympics.”
You won three Olympics yesterday, and today
you helped rob a hospital, today you stole from
orphans, because you support Putin.
And your Putin, through his oligarchs and
through his friends, is robbing the healthcare system
to the point where it’s impossible to get even bandages
in some rural hospital. In fact,
that is exactly how things are. These people
who support Putin, together with
him, are robbing the people, and they bear direct
responsibility for everything that is happening.
They bear responsibility for these
run-down schools; they bear
responsibility for the terrible roads; they are responsible
for all of it, because
Putin has been in power for 18 years. If it had been four
years, or even at least eight, then maybe you could
still blame Yeltsin
or the “cursed ’90s” or Gorbachev and so on. But
he has been there longer than Gorbachev and
Yeltsin combined, so
together with this whole gang
of trusted representatives, of course they bear direct
responsibility for what is happening in the
country. My next topic was
Nikita Belykh, who, as I understand it,
still hasn’t been sentenced. Well, let me
say a couple of words on that anyway.
Well, I don’t know how much time they’ll give him after all.
I haven’t spoken to him in a long time. The last time
I talked to him was probably in 2009. Before that
we of course had friendly,
companionable relations. We diverged quite
sharply in our views on things.
I certainly feel no gloating
now, looking at how he
is sitting in that cell, looking at this whole
trial, the witness testimony. He also seems to be
experiencing fairly serious
health problems. Well, I don’t know exactly what
happened there. All the people mentioned in
these materials — there aren’t that many names —
I’m not even acquainted with them.
All these events happened
after I had left. I can say
only one thing: of course it’s a pity that Belykh
was swallowed by this system, and it’s a pity he didn’t
leave in 2013, when — well, you
can see the photo there — and he, well,
he seemed like this rather gray
democratic, opposition-minded governor,
but then, after all — if you live with wolves,
you howl like a wolf.
He started playing his own games
with all these vile
characters, making friends — or pretending to make friends —
and constantly talking about how
civil society can be wrong too, and
why are you criticizing the authorities? He probably thought
that this made him somehow, well,
untouchable. It’s a pity it turned out this way.
Probably if he had left that system of power in
2013, then probably
what happened to him would not have happened.
On the other hand, it’s easy to get in and hard to get out.
And getting out — I don’t know how possible it really was
to leave from there. But in any case, I
really do feel sorry about it. I hope not too much.
He’s going to get some long sentence; he’s already...
He’s been sitting in pretrial detention (SIZO, a Russian remand prison) for two years, in my view, and I can
express only
deep, deep regret about the fact
that this happened to him. It’s strange that even now
there still, still isn’t
still no verdict at all. So,
people are writing to me here saying, I hope the St. Petersburg headquarters
won’t be shut down; they’re constantly putting pressure on us.
The coordinator of the St. Petersburg headquarters got 30
days, and several other people from
the St. Petersburg headquarters were arrested. Come on, guys, could you
even theoretically imagine
a situation where the St. Petersburg headquarters would shut down because of that?
It’s the most incredible headquarters overall; in St. Petersburg,
the most amazing rally took place
on January 28, and St. Petersburg now, of course, in terms of its
protest potential in its own way—well, it’s
just a fantastic city. I went there
when we were just starting to discuss the rally
on the 28th, and I said, so, guys, what’s the situation there?
Most likely, you’ll be denied permission.
The authorities are set up in such a way that thinking about
getting a rally officially approved
isn’t really necessary for us at all. We don’t need anyone’s permission;
even if they did give permission here, we’d
still go to an unauthorized one anyway. So
in that sense, the mood in St. Petersburg is really great,
and St. Petersburg has once again, like sometime
in the late 1990s, the late 1980s,
and early 1990s, become
in this sense a leading city overall,
a leading city for the Russian opposition,
a leading protest city. That’s wonderful,
really wonderful, really cool. So,
they’re asking about Belykh. Is it true
—tell me if I understand correctly—
that the case against him was fabricated? I don’t understand why.
I’m not up to speed on it, but I want to look into it.
The verdict takes seven hours to read—I don’t know
whether it was fabricated or not. To be honest with you, I’m not
going to get involved in that case, and I’m not
going to sort it out there. Even when
I fundamentally do not intend to get into
all of this, I don’t know any of the people involved.
I myself was tried by the same kind of judges,
including judges in Kirov,
and it’s impossible to get any justice from these judges.
Whether you’re right or guilty, it’s impossible to achieve justice.
So I don’t know what happened there; I can
only, on a human level, regret that
this is happening. Maxim Alexeyevich asks:
Alexei, are there plans to shut down anything else?
No, for now nothing is planned to be shut down anywhere.
Because the headquarters are
the network of our Voters’ Strike campaign, and we
have cut some positions.
For example, right now we don’t need
to verify signatures. We had
special operators for that system, and we’re
reducing them. But we’re also raising fewer
donations. By the way, please send
us donations and support the Voters’ Strike.
That network costs money.
Renting headquarters costs money, so we
maintain exactly as much as you
send us in donations. We have
one single source of income.
Based on the current, the current
transfers, we see that until the election we
will try not to reduce our network,
not to cut it back, not to close it down.
Some local offices, though, may
close or may not close.
They are maintained
by the enthusiasts themselves—they either keep them going or they don’t.
But despite the monstrous
pressure that exists right now, we
will try not to shut anything down. So,
Alexei, I’m begging you, I’m begging you,
please come up with a clear, normal,
clear—put it in all caps if you want—clear agenda for
people: against corruption, fair elections.
These are such vague demands, without people. We’re
for a strike—not a strike, but for Navalny to be allowed on the ballot.
That’s understandable; those are concrete demands.
asks Yozhkin M. Well, I don’t agree with
you, Yozhkin M. “Against corruption” is
also quite clear: we demand
an investigation into Medvedev’s corruption allegations.
That’s also quite clear. You see, as many people as there are,
there are that many
points of view. Some say that demanding
Navalny be allowed to run is too narrow
a topic, and they’re right. But in the end, the point
isn’t Navalny—it’s that, in general,
real elections do not exist. That’s why we
try to choose slogans that
are, as far as possible, less vague, but
that cover the whole system as a whole. Well, yes,
“Let Navalny run” and everything else—Grigory
is absolutely right to say that even with
Navalny, these would not be fair elections.
They would still be unfair, but
people would relate to these elections differently,
they would view them differently. By the way, since
we’ve started talking about this, let’s look at
the results of our new
opinion poll that we
conducted. I remind you, we carry out
polls every day and report on
the ratings. This time it’s an anti-rating—well,
that is, once again we conducted a poll across all of
Russia. Before that, there was a poll for the city of
Yekaterinburg; before this one, it was
nationwide. Let’s take a look at
the new nationwide poll, then.
Let’s have slide number one, please.
Please. So, look:
we ask people who intend
to take part in the election, and in red
the last question is highlighted. So, everyone knows about Putin;
Sobchak is in second place.
We can see that even more people
now know that Sobchak is taking part in the
election. Even more people know that
Zhirinovsky
47 percent know who Yavlinsky is.
Grudinin has about the same level here, and compared with
the poll that was conducted
from the 15th to the 18th, the number of people increased
who know about their participation. Interestingly, by the way,
the number of people who know has increased
who know that Zubanov
is taking part in the election—29 percent; that
Mironov is taking part in the election—27 percent; and
that Tsvetov is taking part in the election—25
percent, compared with 19 in the previous
This suggests that, well, people keep talking about the election
constantly—talking, talking, talking
and discussing it—and it already seems to everyone that
everyone is taking part in the election, everyone knows about it, that is,
awareness is fairly high.
Let’s look at the next slide.
The main slide is, essentially,
the candidates’ ratings.
So, something jumped there—now we can see
that the candidates’ ratings have not changed
compared with the previous measurement, that is,
support for Putin is still
80 percent among those who have decided how they will vote
—in other words, nothing has changed
compared with the other candidates.
Everyone only sees Putin.
Zhirinovsky has 7 percent, compared
with 8 percent before; Grudinin
has 7 percent; Sobchak, 1
percent; Tsvetov, 1 percent; Yavlinsky,
1 percent; another politician, 3 percent.
So it’s all the same. In this
setup that we have, things are completely
stable—the candidates, basically, aren’t doing a damn thing
at all.
That’s why the ratings aren’t changing. But
maybe there will be debates later, and after all,
one of them might, during the debates,
cause a scene or say something
striking. But for now, essentially,
this format of running the campaign, in which
nothing happens, doesn’t lead anywhere
at all—it produces exactly the same
frozen ratings, and Putin is
absolutely dominant over them. Let’s look at a new
slide. For the first time, we measured the anti-
ratings of politicians, and the results here are very interesting.
With Putin, it’s clear: he has
the lowest anti-rating. We phrased
this question in the harshest
possible format:
“Which politician would you not vote for
under any
circumstances?” And only 3 percent
dare to say that they dislike Putin
that strongly. But this is also a well-known
phenomenon in sociology: people are simply afraid
to say it. Personally, I don’t believe that he really has
such a low anti-rating. As for everyone else,
things get more complicated here, and even I’m wary, and
both Tsvetov and Grudinin have
relatively low anti-ratings—14
percent and 13 percent—but they are
simply not that well known.
Zhirinovsky is already significantly higher at 22
percent. Interestingly, Yavlinsky, in terms of anti-
rating, has overtaken Zhirinovsky. Usually
Vladimir Volfovich (Zhirinovsky’s patronymic) is one of the
leaders in anti-ratings. And of course,
Sobchak is absolutely, here,
also
the queen of the field, and her anti-rating is 71
percent—simply far, far higher
than everyone else’s.
She is, of course, one of the most
unpopular politicians in the country for a large share of the population,
and, well, well, that
is noticeable, we can see it, and overall
it matches the data we
recently showed from an independent question
that was asked in Yekaterinburg.
True, they measured it a bit higher there:
they found her anti-rating to be 84
percent, while we see only 71. So there you have it.
Essentially, in this election
campaign, movement is zero.
Nothing is happening. But still,
write to me yourselves: have you seen anything at all
from the candidates’ activities over
the past two weeks? We, at least, did something—
yes, we held this voters’ strike
(a protest boycott campaign), what a cute GIF, I’m petting
a dog. The other candidates—
I’m genuinely baffled. But
fine, obviously not everyone has a network
like ours, because they didn’t build it
over the course of a whole year. But for any
candidate, for any campaign headquarters, it was probably
a fairly obvious idea: let’s
also hold some mass rallies
in support, at least in
cities with populations over one million. If you can’t
hold one in Stary Oskol or Kurgan,
if you can’t, can’t hold one
in Vladivostok because your network doesn’t reach that far yet,
then in Novosibirsk,
Yekaterinburg, Moscow, or St. Petersburg,
surely you could have organized something.
But no one is doing anything, no one is doing
anything at all. Just watch what the Communists do on February 3,
and you’ll see
this corpse—I don’t mean the Communists specifically,
but the Russian
political system in general. It’s something
completely, completely dead, lying there without
moving.
This election campaign is not
moving even a tiny bit, not one bit.
As for our news, I wanted to tell you
about it—you probably noticed
that we launched a news program on the
Navalny LIVE channel. We launched it, overall,
in a raw, unprepared form because
we decided that on January 28 it had to
go on air, and we released it. It turned out
to be rather unusual, a kind of
baptism by fire.
But at the same time, all the people whom we
We brought them onto the news project.
They’re absolutely wonderful, and they’re all new.
They had never worked at the Anti-Corruption Foundation before.
Corruption.
They had previously worked on the election campaign,
so, well, in a way,
this was a bit new for them, except for Dmitry
Nizovtsev, whom you’ll see now.
Let’s take a look. You’ve probably seen it already, but
still, it’s remarkable footage of how
our news team worked at that very
dramatic moment when a large number of police officers
tried to force their way into this
studio. They were pounding on the
door for several seconds. Let’s watch.
If they had immediately said there was a bomb threat,
I think people in police uniform would be clearing this place out.
They’re dragging our lawyer away right from his home, and
the person who, by all appearances,
please introduce yourself.
Show your ID, please.
All right, what’s your name? As I understand it, there is
a bomb threat. What’s your name? That’s what I need—
show me your ID.
All right, your ID...
How should I address you?
Tell me—come on, say it here. I’ll
move through here past all this stuff.
There’s no one to appeal to here, we
understand that. Show us your
ID first, and then we’ll continue. Dima
Nizovtsev, who got ten days in jail,
and who heroically resisted the
police here in this footage, sitting at this
table, and then also filmed them in the lobby, for
which, basically, he was punished there.
They were trying to take his phone away there.
He’s a journalist from Khabarovsk and used to work at
a Khabarovsk outlet, and in general, in
Khabarovsk they really crack down hard. He was
arrested again, yes, even before the protest began.
He was the campaign headquarters coordinator then, so he was familiar with it.
But all the others are new people, and
they conducted themselves absolutely heroically.
They did a fantastic job. As for the news, we’re going to
hand out... I get a lot of
questions. People write to us in the comments: “Alexei,”
“what kind of news is this of yours?”
“Because your anchors are openly expressing
their own opinions. How can that be?”
“An anchor is supposed to just sit there,”
“and the news is supposed to be,”
“like robots sitting there and repeating
what the news agencies say. We’re used to that kind of
news. If you want that kind of news,
go somewhere else. Our
news concept is exactly this: we
are going to say it in our own words, plainly
and directly.
And we are going to tell the truth about what is happening
in a country with an authoritarian regime.
This “on the one hand, on the other hand”
approach no longer works. So we will have
real news. We will not lie in
our news. That is the main principle: we will not
lie, but we will say everything
plainly and directly. And all our anchors,
and the news editor, and everyone there,
including the technical team, are people with
a clear political position, and they will
express their political position and their attitude toward
those sitting in the Kremlin
in these news broadcasts. But at the same time,
we will not lie, and we will not
distort things, but we also will not be shy.
We’re not really... not настоящие (proper) professionals,
we don’t really know how to do
news, we don’t really know how to do television,
so we have quite a lot of
slips, shortcomings, and things like that.
Of all of us, only one person—Yelena
Malakhovskaya, whom you also saw—
was a professional TV presenter. She is
the only person who had worked on camera
before. Everything else, well, we’re going to
build together with you. In that sense, this is
a kind of media startup—sorry for such a
corny word—that we are launching together with you.
So watch the news,
help us, advise us, but please don’t
tell us that the anchors should just
read dry copy and not express
their attitude toward events, because for that
we wouldn’t have launched a news project like this.
This kind of news—
go elsewhere. There are news outlets where
anchors speak dryly and keep their attitude toward
events hidden, and please look at what
has happened to all those dry-speaking
outlets—what happened to *Kommersant*, what
has now happened to *Vedomosti*, what
has happened to all the others.
So we are going to say everything
plainly and directly. Support us.
The activities of the other candidates—zero. And in
answer to the question of whether, in theory, there is
a possibility that because of calls for a
boycott, people will go vote out of spite:
I saw a video where some elderly women literally said,
“A boycott? Then I’ll go vote just out of spite.”
A reverse effect. Well, an elderly woman goes onto
YouTube, watches my videos, and says,
“I’ll go vote just to spite Navalny.”
Of course, that effect can happen, but only on a
small scale. You know, someone
might watch and say, “I didn’t want to go to
the polls, but I dislike Navalny so much
that I’ll go vote.”
Sure, there is probably some number of such people,
but I think not many.
After all, people’s actions in life, their
basic attitudes toward politics, toward elections, toward
their own future and the country’s future—those things
still are not derived from
their love for me. They go to vote or they do not
because they do or do not consider
this to be an election. And the task of our boycott
is precisely to explain that. There is 198.
"Ways," writes to us Mariy Ustinova.
of nonviolent resistance, including
rallies. Your official support for one
action or another generates a great deal of
sympathy for your position and more
actively spreads information. More
large-scale turnout at protest actions.
Think about it. Maria, well, 190 methods
of peaceful, nonviolent resistance
including rallies — that's what all sorts of
political scientists and various theorists write about
in all kinds of books. In reality, well,
I mean, I'm not arguing with that. If you know
190 ways to deal with vampires, share them with
us. Well, you can probably google them.
Do it.
Method 196, 198, 199 — we are trying
to implement the formats for which
our network is needed and that will be
mass-based.
The kind that can involve a large number of people.
Let a million flowers bloom. Of course, I do not
for a second doubt that somewhere
there are people sitting who are a hundred times better than I am
at coming up with what needs to be done. Great.
There are always people who do something
better. Then do it — and I say this without any
irony or sarcasm. Come to our
headquarters, or without any headquarters at all, organize
a few of your acquaintances, or if your
123rd method allows for individual
work, then do that individual
work. That's generally the coolest thing
you can do. Everything we have is built
on that. Listen, Viktor Bondarenko asks:
"Alexei, what do you think about the Venus
Project? You promised to look into this
issue." Second, in every... from the physical to people... (unclear)
Someone writes about the Venus Project. I confess, I was
going to google it right now or
look it up on Wikipedia. You look and think:
the Venus Project — for now, we are not discussing the Venus Project,
and I'm not ready yet. Let's
talk instead about anonymity on the internet.
This is a very important topic, and Putin
at roughly the same time when my
press secretary Kira Yarmysh and press secretary
company... Ruslan Shaveddinov, who
were broadcasting live, were detained at
Sheremetyevo Airport and then put in
— literally, this is not a joke, I'm not making it up —
so, in the official ruling it says: for
tweets, and for some reason they added
"forming a negative attitude toward
one of the president's candidates/associates". At that
same time, Putin stated that
this is not 1937 now
and the black Marias (NKVD arrest vans) are not coming for anyone.
So why, then, do we need anonymity on
the internet? Why hide? Write whatever
you want — nothing will happen. Let's see
what he said. A short video, 25 seconds.
Here it is:
"Internet anonymity, on the one hand,
seems to be good for democracy, but on the other
hand it creates many problems because
behind these accounts no one knows who
is hiding, and indeed if a person
something...
Even now it's not 1937,
right? People say whatever they want, especially
on the internet. No devilish black van is
coming for you tomorrow. One and a half million
rubles (about 16,000 USD) is what we've raised so far. To take part in
the fundraising, within the framework of the
Phoenix project, we want to raise as much money as
the villains took from us by freezing the
funds in the account. You just heard Putin
telling us that, in general,
internet anonymity is unnecessary, and
the astonishing thing is — well, fine, he lied
about the fact that we don't need
anonymity because supposedly you can write
whatever you want on the internet. We both know that
right now, every week, some people
are being prosecuted for what
they write on the internet. But what interested me
even more was this kind of double,
double hypocrisy of this position, because
these people — Putin specifically —
in recent years, his entire
rule, all of it,
his whole new style of governance has been built on
anonymity, and anonymity — the attempt to hide
something — is his main trademark. Well, let's
look at who is in this photograph. In this
photograph there is some sweet,
very sweet chubby little man, and you
will probably say, "Oh yes, he looks very much like
the younger son of Prosecutor General
Yury Chaika." No, he has a completely different
official name. Our state believes
that this person's name is
"I Shou 9," and that is exactly how he
is officially entered in Rosreestr (Russia's state property registry). He
is hidden from you and me. The state has
officially and unlawfully granted him
anonymity so that you or I could not
find his property. That is, this is not even about
some posts on the internet, but rather
a simple public record of the existence of
apartments. Your apartment in the registry
can be found by anyone
under your full name, but Chaika's son
we will not find. Now let's look at
the next person. And those of you who
have seen the film *Chaika* will say: yes, that's
the elder son, Artyom Chaika, owner
of all sorts of monopolies in the country, owner
of real estate in Switzerland, and so on, and
real estate in Russia. But no, this is not
Artyom Chaika. Officially, his name is "LS Dush"
or "LSD 3" — no one even really understands.
The same goes for his property.
It is officially encrypted. These people again
receive official anonymity. Just think about it:
they even wrote it on the little cups, and we
were once struck by the fact that they...
officially, at the state level, already
we went to court over this; we filed a
lawsuit and said: how on earth can you
turn a public record in a public
state real estate registry
into a secret one like this? And they told us
no, we have the right to do that, and we lost that
case. But fine. Let's
look at the next person, and here
you can't say we don't know who he is — this
is the man who wanted to be out there, burning
in a tank in Luhansk and spending years in the trenches
but life turned out so hard that somehow
he didn't make it to Luhansk, and instead he works as
Deputy Prime Minister of the government
this is Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin
and no, no, no, no, because in
Rosreestr (Russia's state property registry), for his wonderful, luxurious
very expensive real estate, it simply
says directly: private individual
value unavailable — in other words, a paraphrase
for the word anonymous: an official anonymous person. So
the state grants Rogozin
anonymity, while to you it says: you must
register with your passport, your
Telegram, your username — I don't know, Pink
Dog27 on Twitter, VKontakte, and
Facebook. And now let's look at
the next person. Who is this?
This is Kirill Shamalov
the youngest billionaire in Russia and the son-in-law
of President Putin
So, let's see what he's called in that
very same registry. And actually, not at all —
not in any way. If Rogozin had
"value unavailable" written there, then
for Kirill Shamalov there's just some
strange abbreviation: L.S., LCP
and just a number — not even a name, damn it
from official databases, the state gives him
illegal anonymity. But there are people about
whom it's as if they don't exist at all — phantom people. Let's
look at this nice young woman here. Who
is this? This is Katerina Putina, the younger daughter
of President Putin and the wife of Kirill Shamalov
and accordingly also
a young billionaire. And in accordance with
the Family Code — or perhaps as if she
doesn't exist at all — the state
officially gives her a cover identity
because there she is Tikhonova, with
some unclear surname. To this day, about her
we all know she is Putin's daughter, but
that is, as it were, confirmed nowhere. Any
newspaper writes "the alleged daughter
of Putin." In other words, a man has been in power for 18 years
and citizens actually have the right
to know. We're not interested, perhaps, in
the details of her private life — how she
dresses and what goes on there. We
understand that for security reasons
there is probably some sense in concealing
her exact place of residence. But at least
the basic facts — what her name is,
what her surname is, what income she is supposed
to disclose — none of that exists
Let's look at the next
photograph: an even more mysterious
person. To this day, in fact,
it's not even clear whether it's her at all
This is President Putin's elder daughter, supposedly
named Maria — or maybe not. What is known about her
informally is that
she works at one of
the medical
one of the medical centers in
Moscow, but neither her real surname nor
her real workplace nor even the facts
of her existence as an adult, or of her
children
— none of it exists. So this is also official
anonymity: absolutely everything is hidden. And then
this person, who created all of this,
says to us: come on, everyone should
disclose everything — why would you want to hide something
from me?
Vladimir Putin. I certainly won't send to
you a white minibus like the one that
came for Kira Yarmysh and Ruslan Shaveddinov
at the airport, or a black prison van
if you cut off my access on VKontakte, can we
— well, no, we can't. And of course we
must, but I believe that the issue
of anonymity on the internet is even a matter
of national importance. People have
the right to some degree of privacy on
the internet, even people who are not
involved in politics. Because as soon as
they reveal all of this, well,
someone who wants, I don't know, to find out
what their wife or husband is writing in
Telegram will go and hand over
a small bribe to the police and get
all the data and messenger records. Someone
will hand over a small bribe to the police or
the FSB (Russia's security service) and get all the correspondence data of their
competitors, and so on and so on and so
on. People must have the right to
private correspondence, at the very least. And now we're being
told: let's make people register
on Telegram with their passports. Besides
the fact that this would require spending
billions of rubles additionally
in government expenditures, this is super
idiotic. And in that sense, of course, we
all need to take a united
position: guys, if you want, if you even
so much as mention
fighting anonymity on the internet, then for
us, please, all these your
L.S.s and "private individual
value
unknown" entries — disclose them to us first, and
then we can discuss anything else
So, I'm answering your questions, and at the same time
I'm looking at one for Navalny: have you listened to
the song "Russia for the Sad" by the band Pornofilmy
? I'm seriously waiting for an answer, I know that
There’s a song like that—I think I’ve even heard it.
They might teach me, but I honestly wouldn’t be able to sing it back. I’m talking about...
what exactly the candidate has, if it’s not a secret?
asks Ivan Ivanov, your press secretary.
He was probably shaping a negative opinion of them.
Grud... day.
Well, my press secretary insulted Grudinin.
And because of that, she was sentenced to five days of administrative arrest.
Right, right—about election monitoring in Moscow, a good...
...Kovi asks me. Ksenia Simonova, we...
will conduct monitoring everywhere and
work with everyone. Our main
task, after all, is regional monitoring.
But Moscow, even though it’s a big city, is the boring part.
Whether they send one percent or five percent
of polling stations, we expect
falsification in Moscow.
But we know for certain that
there will be falsification in the Moscow region.
There will be falsification in Bashkortostan.
There will be falsification in Tatarstan.
And in Dagestan, there most definitely will be falsification.
That’s why we have a huge project that
requires extremely high-level coordination on
a scale of a kind that, so far,
no one has ever done before—simply because no one
has had this many volunteer resources. We
will, of course, involve absolutely everyone,
bringing in anyone who can take part in these
projects. We’ll work with everyone.
Let me ask: why not direct a larger
share of your efforts and resources toward working with
state-sector employees who are being forced to go
to the polls for Putin? We are directing them there, well...
Actually, when we work with
teachers—the same state employees—or doctors,
that is, state employees, and the people who
walk through your apartment building where they put up
a leaflet—they include both state employees and non-
state employees.
The opportunities to work
directly with state employees are
fairly limited, because it
requires
campaigners who reveal themselves and who will be
inside that environment—that is, among teachers
who campaign among others. And yes, there are people like that.
Of course, we always urge
state employees to work with us and not be afraid
to help. There are quite a lot of them, but this is
also, as you understand, quite
a difficult task. So, a regular
commenter, Inferno Overkill, writes:
“Just put them all before a tribunal. That’s not even a question.”
Down below they’re saying: “Put them all before a tribunal, every last one.”
“Before a tribunal.” Right, Mari says:
She writes, correcting me: Sobchak is running
her campaign with videos, spamming obvious
points on federal TV channels, pushing
democracy. The problem is that Ksyusha (diminutive of Ksenia)
Sobchak has a negative rating, and then she goes on
in every possible way
to criticize Ksenia Sobchak. But videos
are not enough. Listen, I was releasing videos
and I still am, from the very beginning
of the campaign until now, I’m still putting out
videos—more videos than all the others
combined. And of course,
interviews, appearances on television, on
federal channels—they showed Grudinin,
Yavlinsky, and Sobchak, but for running
a nationwide campaign, that is absolutely
not enough. But we can see that even in
a more informationally developed society like the
United States,
you just recently watched how
the election campaign unfolded, and still
the main emphasis was on meetings with
voters, mass rallies,
network-based organizing, volunteers—it’s that
grassroots component that
comes into being when the core of your local
campaigners is doing something every single day.
That’s what’s missing, and only in that way
Besides, it’s not enough just to release videos
and appear on federal TV channels.
Dear Maria says you need to peel off
percentage points from the main competitor—that is, from
Putin. Every one of your television
appearances should be an appearance
that lowers Putin’s result and
raises yours. That is what an
election campaign is. And then there’s the
sociology—that is, the polling—we’re showing you, but
frankly, judging by people’s perceptions,
it’s obvious that this is not happening.
The Saudi prince has shown us an example.
People here were writing about putting them before a tribunal—well, over there
roughly the same thing happened. We have
a truly striking example of how
the sheer political will of a leader,
the current main prince of
Saudi Arabia, led to the point where he
shook down all the other princes who
through corruption had simply
carried off the oil money—107
billion dollars. What is 107
billion dollars? That’s five months’ worth of
revenue from oil sales for Russia.
Now, I’m not saying that we should
resort
to using such methods
in dealing with our oligarchs—they are
obviously illegal. But listen, if even
Saudi Arabia, a country that is thoroughly
corrupt and, on top of that, a monarchy,
is taking at least some general measures and steps
to recover money
made through corruption, then maybe
we ought to do a little of that too.
What’s funny is how they handled all those princes.
The main prince gathered all the others,
and then this prince locked
them in the Ritz hotel. And recently, this
—I won’t even try to pronounce
his name because I’ll get it wrong—this main
prince, the one you can see in the picture now,
locked the other princes in the Ritz hotel.
I got in there as a BBC News correspondent.
Not in Latakia—the interiors, well, let me explain quickly.
The basic idea was that they were living in some kind of
house arrest in that hotel.
There were golden rooms, golden showers,
and, again, golden toilets—every possible luxury.
So they were not being kept in a cell at all,
but they were held there for a while, kept there,
and in the end they started letting them out only when
they agreed to share these
corrupt funds. And I’m simply
just saying that Moscow has one too—
there is this mechanism there as well, this
version—probably not as beautiful,
probably not covered entirely in gold, but at the very least
it is worth thinking about. Maybe not immediately
locking someone up in that hotel, but
gathering all these oligarchs together,
bringing them in, showing them, and saying:
Guys, you have to pay taxes in Russia.
Through legal mechanisms,
there is no need to seize anything from anyone, but simply
through a proper legal mechanism, somehow
the nation’s wealth should be redistributed.
Because it is only in Russia
that all these oil magnates and oligarchs,
the owners of oil companies, pay so
little in taxes and rise so quickly
in the Forbes rankings.
They should pay as much as
oil company owners pay in the United States,
in Europe, in the Scandinavian countries. When
they pay that much, then probably we
will all live a little better together, and the
state will have a little more money
to cover certain
social spending and simply develop.
You see, by different methods—legal ones in
Europe and the United States, and completely, well, not
legal ones in Saudi Arabia.
Only Russia is stuck somewhere in between and cannot
choose either side; it is simply
slowly, slowly sinking into a swamp.
And you and I are fighting so that it does not
sink into that swamp.
Take part in the voters’ strike.
In the description to this
video there is a link where you can
download a leaflet, and another link through which you can
sign up as an election observer. Let’s fight
for our country. See you next
Thursday.
If, before next Thursday, they suddenly decide not to
let me stay free—or if they decide to
lock me up for a while—well, in short,
sooner or later, we’ll see each other again.
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