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Hello everyone, and today is Thursday.

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It's 8:18 p.m., and we're live on the TV channel—

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the YouTube channel—

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I'm getting carried away there—on the YouTube channel

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Navalny Live. Before we begin: Navalny 2018.

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As you can see, Alexei Navalny

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is unfortunately not in the frame today because

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he is serving an administrative arrest.

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But in the studio, you have me, Georgy Alburov, and Lyubov

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Sobol. The day before yesterday, a court sentenced

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Alexei Navalny to

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30 days of administrative arrest for organizing

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the rally on May 5. He is expected to be released

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around June 15.

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Yes, exactly on the 15th, in fact.

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There is even an exact time when we'll all see him.

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Of course, we're really looking forward to it and hope he'll get out

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maybe even a little earlier.

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Well then, let's move on to the first update

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about how Alexei Navalny's administrative

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arrest is going. It turns out that

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he isn't just sitting there doing nothing, but

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is studying Python—

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for those who don't know, that's a programming language.

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So I think that when he gets out, he'll be able to write

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some neural networks that will

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expose corrupt officials and

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make our work a little easier.

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Great idea. Tell me, you spoke

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today with Ivan Zhdanov, who

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was there, right? Yes, I saw a person who

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saw Alexei, yes.

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I asked him to tell me how Alexei is doing there.

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Alexei is doing well, except that

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they won't let him eat Doshirak (instant noodles) with a fork,

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which, in my view, is a violation of human rights,

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and they confiscate his e-reader, which

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is also quite inconvenient, because in the

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special detention center there are fairly strict

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limits on the number—on the number

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of packages and the number of kilograms that

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can be brought to you there, to that detention center.

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So you can't exactly bring a whole library in there.

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That is, books are most efficiently brought in

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in electronic form.

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I mean, if you bring several

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paper books, then that's exactly that many

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kilograms of food, fruit, and water that you

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won't be getting when they bring things to you,

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because it's either books or food.

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Yes, that's how it's set up.

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So e-books are quite a

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good and convenient way out of the situation

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so that you can bring more things in there.

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But as we can see,

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the authorities really don't like the fact that

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Alexei has something to read, and they

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confiscate it. Well, let's assume we can guess

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why a fork isn't allowed, but

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why an electronic device isn't allowed—I have no idea.

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Well, you know how our bureaucracy works.

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You yourself ran into it very closely today.

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A very close encounter, so to speak.

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We'll tell you about it a little later—a small spoiler:

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my co-host barely

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made it to the broadcast because today she was

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stopped by the police as she was leaving her house. But we'll tell you

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more about that a bit later. What else

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can we say about Alexei? For now,

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there isn't any more news, only this:

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Will there be a congress—a founding congress?

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A party congress? A party congress, under the working

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title—yes, the working title, definitely—

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will take place in Moscow on May 19.

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It will be a fairly technical

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event, because right now, as you

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may have noticed, we are not conducting any

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active campaign to recruit

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party members, because now is not the time

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for that. What we need now is a structure that

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would be as compact as possible,

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as mobile as possible, so that all the people

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who signed up for the party—and only the minimum

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number required, the minimally

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necessary number under the law—could all

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quickly come to Moscow, quickly

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organize meetings, quickly

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sign documents, run to the Ministry of Justice,

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and so on. That requires there to be

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not too many people involved, and right now we are going through all

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these technical procedures. On the 19th, in

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Moscow, the congress will take place, and we have already

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done this some 135 times, by various estimates—

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well, in the latest news they said, by various

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estimates, 7 to 8 times—7 or 8, yes, but you

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didn't count the number of documents

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that were submitted in the regions, because in

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the regions, when you hold

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a founding meeting of a local

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branch, they reject those too.

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If you add everything up,

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the number runs into the hundreds—

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hundreds of applications to the Ministry of Justice. That's the story.

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Oh, and I completely forgot to say: please

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ask your questions in the comments on

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YouTube, on Twitter,

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wherever you're watching us.

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We'll definitely try to read all

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your questions—at the very least read them, and at best

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also answer them when

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there's time for that. So, what's next?

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And click—go ahead and click,

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right here Valery

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Pankrukhin is greeting us. Thank you, Valery, we greet you too,

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and he's asking about—well, about me.

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Yes, some of you probably already know

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that this situation came up when

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I was detained

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on January 28, live on air—you all saw it.

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So, they had to let me go home both

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at the stage of administrative detention

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and later at the court stage as well—whether it was

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a fine or not—because

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there is a certain ruling

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by a cassation court stating that the mother

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of a young child, and even of a minor child,

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a child cannot be detained for more than

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three hours — that’s the correct legal wording.

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So today I finally memorized it for good, and

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administrative

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administrative arrest

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Consequently, neither does

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administrative detention, since for a person

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to whom administrative arrest does not apply,

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administrative arrest

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In plain Russian, that means

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they can hold me for three hours and then they have to let me go.

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So today, with a perfectly clear conscience,

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everything all nice and proper, nothing to worry about,

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having been thoroughly briefed on all this today,

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I was riding around with my clear conscience,

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through Moscow, thinking that now I’d arrive,

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they’d say something to me there, I’d refuse

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to sign it,

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and leave — let them choke on it. It all started with

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what? Just tell me, how does your day usually go?

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Usually? And how did this one go?

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A highly unusual day, to put it mildly.

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I knew that this evening I’d be on air with you,

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Georgy, and it’s a great honor to host

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the show I started back in 2017, so by a certain time I had to

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go get makeup done, yes.

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So I tried to head out at that time, and

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after that — we have video — I walked out of the house.

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We were texting — well, not exactly like that,

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we were talking on the phone, and for a few minutes

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I was getting ready, trying to make sense of how people even get into the apartment,

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how all that happens there, and so

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how did it happen? I’m asleep, I hear the intercom,

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something through my sleep — someone came up, you know,

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who was it? And remembering that across

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all of Russia

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not only the coordinators of Navalny’s headquarters

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but also volunteers had been detained, and in some

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cities, like Leningrad (St. Petersburg), they were basically sweeping up

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everyone root and branch — well, not literally, of course,

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but that’s how they seem to think — so I

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thought, half-asleep, well, this is probably about me.

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Then they rang the intercom again, and they

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did it in that way — as if they’d taken the receiver off — they ring

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and then stay silent into the handset. That’s how they were calling me.

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Maybe they were breathing heavily or something — I don’t know.

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I didn’t go over. I don’t know. But still,

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I had this warning bell go off, right in

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my head — just the night before, while falling asleep,

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I’d been looking at the latest messages from our

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headquarters: urgent, urgent, someone detained here and there,

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and then this intercom rings, and I think:

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very suspicious.

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But I woke up, everything seemed fine, no one else

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called again. I’m getting ready, thinking, alright then,

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what a wonderful

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evening broadcast I’ll have today — just needed a topic

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to talk about. And then a topic presented itself.

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Three men came up to me.

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Three guys in uniform said, “Hello,”

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“Your documents.” Well, a classic of the genre. I

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had gone out without my passport. I said, “Come with

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me, I’ll show you the document,” and at that point

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it was already clear — as if they really needed my documents?

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As if they didn’t already know who I was. But honestly,

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then they asked me, “Is your surname Malakhovskaya?”

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Malakhovskaya. Well then — bingo, you win, you win.

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You win a sightseeing tour of Moscow.

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To what destination, I didn’t know in advance. Let’s

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watch the video below.

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“I introduced myself to you, I came up,”

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“introduced myself. Please, your passport.” “No need.”

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The conversation went on in that spirit for quite a while.

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“I came up.”

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“But right now, can you at least once more...” 500

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meters.

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“Why? Where are we going?” “I’ll tell you — to the central...”

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“Could you show some identification, because I’m afraid...”

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“I’m a real police officer.”

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“Fine, but how am I supposed to know you won’t kill us?”

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“How?”

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So this warrant officer, together with the others,

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drove me, along with other citizens, to the Tverskaya police station.

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For a long time they wouldn’t tell me where

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they were taking me, but in the end they did tell me, so all was fine.

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They brought me where they said they would, though as I’ve heard,

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it can go differently. So then

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our wonderful lawyer came to see me,

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Sasha Golovach, and he stood his ground despite the fact

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that Inspector Bandura kept resisting,

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kept insisting and saying that yes, he had the

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right, and that this very amendment,

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this Constitutional Court / Cassation Court clarification,

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was supposedly only advisory in nature.

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And so Bandura would look at me

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and decide whether I should be detained or not,

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whether I was dangerous to society or not, and if

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I did turn out to be dangerous, then he still had every

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right to do it. But Golovach said, no, no,

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absolutely not, because no, Bandura,

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said, “Submit a motion and I’ll grant it.”

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That is, he absolutely wanted it

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to look as though it was his

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own good will — Bandura’s benevolence, out in the field.

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Still, in the end he let me go. Basically, he understood everything,

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I think, because Golovach was convincing.

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And

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he granted the motion. I’m with you now, and

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I’m not sure what else I can add.

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Since many people are asking what for, and

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that’s logical, because I’m a mother and

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a decent person — and a journalist, of course —

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this is a story about how hard it is for a journalist

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to work in Russia right now.

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There is nothing in the case materials except our

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wonderful May 5 broadcast. It’s an excellent

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reason to watch our broadcast again.

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You want to know what Malakhovskaya is being

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threatened with — jail, a fine, they want

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revenge? Great: it’s for the broadcast, above all

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for excellent journalistic work.

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Look: apart from that broadcast,

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apart from the photographs and a disc

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— and no one even knows what’s on the disc — but

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you’ve seen the photographs — apart from those,

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there is nothing else in the case file.

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I’m very glad that today you managed

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to end up free and that you’re here.

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today, and that’s a great reason, generally speaking,

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to jump into talking about journalistic

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work. After all, you were doing what, in

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any normal country, would be considered

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completely normal: when something happens, a journalist

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covers it; when

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a protest takes place, they cover it.

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Good journalists who take their work seriously

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approach it

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and treat their profession responsibly

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go live from the scene and explain

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what is happening there in real time.

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That is exactly what you were doing, and for that

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they want to lock you up for 15 or 30 days.

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It’s just that, under the law, they can’t

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do it under Article 20.2 as an organizer — the “honorable” charge,

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12 and so on. What’s more, attentive

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commenters on Twitter write: if you are

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the organizer, then why is Navalny sitting in jail?

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Release him too, then. Yes, but Navalny

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of course should be released — and even aside from that, he should

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be released because there was no

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crime, no offense whatsoever in

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his actions. Rallies and public

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events in Russia, under the law, are

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subject to a coordination process, a notification

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procedure; they are supposed to be somehow

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discussed with the authorities, and it cannot be

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that the authorities simply say no, we

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won’t give you any venue at all; you told us

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you wanted to go there, but actually

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you should go somewhere else, to another part

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of the yard. That is not allowed by law, and

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Navalny, of course, must be immediately

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released.

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I’ve actually been trying for quite a while already

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to steer the conversation toward journalists,

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because this week we published an

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investigation.

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An investigation about someone very widely hated,

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I think especially hated by many,

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someone who completely

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discredits the profession and is, generally, a very

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fine example of a real

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piece of journalistic trash: Aram Gabrelyanov.

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Well, and partly his son too, the Gabrelyanovs.

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We found, no less, that these

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prominent patriots, these people who

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were for Putin, as Gabrelyanov said,

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back when Putin was not yet Putin, and these people

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who in our country

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are associated with all the vileness, all the

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dirty work that is required by

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the authorities — people who conduct surveillance,

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seize CCTV footage,

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so they can show videos shot from below

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of opposition figures’ meetings, people who

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publish illegal wiretaps, people

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who do the dirtiest work of all —

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that is what Gabrelyanov is.

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His LifeNews, Izvestia, and the rest — his entire

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media holding, which exists on

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our money, yours and mine — and we discovered that this

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man owns a wonderful apartment of almost 150

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square meters (about 149 sq m) — and where do you think? Not in

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Saransk, but in Paris, not far from the Bois de Boulogne

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right there, very close by, right near the water.

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You peek out for a moment,

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look out the window, and it’s not the Kremlin

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of dear Putin, whom you love so much,

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but the Bois de Boulogne — and if you go a little farther,

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the tower too, yes, if you look just a little

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farther away, the Eiffel Tower is also

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perfectly visible from Gabrelyanov’s window.

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Please play the video

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of this building itself, how we filmed it.

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.

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I am not ashamed, my friends: we are flying over

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sunny springtime Paris. On the left

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you can see the Bois de Boulogne,

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a gigantic city park. It is a very

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old and famous park. During the day

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lots of Parisians and tourists relax there, but

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at night, to put it mildly, it transforms.

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The Bois de Boulogne is widely known for having become

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Paris’s red-light district.

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Every day, hundreds of sex workers offer and provide

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their services there, of all genders

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ages, and orientations. And it is very

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symbolic that the apartment of this clown and his

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diamond-loving family is located right on the edge

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of this forest — closer to his colleagues.

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This building is at 74 Boulevard Maurice

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Barrès.

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The apartment is on the fourth floor, with a balcony

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overlooking the Bois de Boulogne.

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The total area is 149 square meters (about 1,604 sq ft). The apartment has

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a large living room, a study,

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and two bedrooms.

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The apartment also comes with a parking space

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in the underground garage.

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If this building happens to seem

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unremarkable to you, don’t rush — take a better look

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at the Gabrelyanovs’ Paris property from

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a bird’s-eye view.

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Not far from the center of a European capital,

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with a huge park right in front of the windows,

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which you can admire from the balcony, a quiet

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gated inner courtyard, and of course

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the Eiffel Tower. Gabrelyanov bought this

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apartment in 2009 and paid

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1.8 million euros for it, or 80

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million rubles.

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Well then, that was the very

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very expensive Gabrelyanov apartment in

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Paris. And there is quite a broad context

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to this story, because Gabrelyanov

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had long been assuring everyone that he had

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no foreign real estate at all.

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If people asked him about it on Twitter,

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he would say: no foreign real estate,

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none. Then he started saying that anyone who found

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foreign real estate belonging to me could

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go ahead and keep it. Well, you found the

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foreign real estate. A couple of days have already

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passed, and it still hasn’t been handed over to us, although we

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are waiting and hoping that Gabrelyanov, in his

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honesty, will give it to us. That’s all.

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So during that time, we looked into it.

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So, this whole excellent investigation

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we want to know what we need; I alone, we have

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ours, to say that his heirs are also involved in this

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are dealing with it, but first, the wonderful

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Gabrelyanov gave a response after we

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published this investigation. He—we

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expected that maybe he would somehow, in essence,

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refute everything. Well, that he would say it was

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some namesake of his, born on the same

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day as him and having a son with the same

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name. Fine, then Aram in the evening

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got confused, found many diamonds, and figured out what

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to answer. Gabrelyanov replied—let me

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read it out—he replied by calling

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Navalny a “little rat.” I

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don’t know how to pronounce it correctly,

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but that’s what it was.

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Aram Ashotovich Gabrelyanov, and on Twitter

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which he mentioned—if we turn on

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the camera, I can even show it—we wrote on

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the cups the word “little rat,” and as you

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can see from this inscription,

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we don’t have a separate person whose job it is

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to draw on cups, so we have to

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do everything ourselves with our clumsy little hands.

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As for the investigation itself, how

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it began and how long it lasted,

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honestly, for me personally it’s quite

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pleasant to talk about, because I can

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talk about the project for a long time. For me, as

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a non-professional—honestly, to put it bluntly—

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going on air with something like this is quite convenient.

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The investigation itself was fairly

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long-running for us; it was

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spread out over time quite a bit, because

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at first we found

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Gabrelyanov’s Cypriot company,

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Ranson Limited, which they had

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set up quite a long time ago.

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And then we officially requested the financial statements

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and received them.

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We saw that among the founders were Aram

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Ashotovich and that there was a father and son involved.

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If you strip it down, everything there was fairly

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official, and in the documents, in

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the statements, there was of course no

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address for the Paris apartment. But it did say

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that on this company’s balance sheet there was

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something worth more than—well, it wasn’t clear exactly what—

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worth more than about 3 million euros.

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Then there was the hacking of Gabrelyanov’s email—that was

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a couple of years ago—when it was discovered that he had

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some kind of real estate abroad,

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but it wasn’t clear what exactly.

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And then, probably about a year later, we

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discovered that Gabrelyanov’s

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mother and wife had been living in that apartment.

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Gabri Leonova.

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And in some Paris telephone

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directory, they had apparently left this

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address as their contact

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address, and that’s when this case more or less

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came together for our investigation, because

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we learned the address and requested

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the records for that address. In

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France, the system is set up rather inconveniently:

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you can’t request someone’s real estate records by a person’s name

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or by a company’s name.

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That delayed this

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investigation quite a lot until we found

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the Paris phone directory. We requested

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the documents for this property and saw that it was

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that same Cypriot company we had already

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found earlier. Then, after some time,

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it turned out that for some reason—still

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unclear why, for reasons of their own—

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they transferred this company from

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they transferred this apartment from the company to

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themselves, paying tens of thousands of euros in tax.

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And it turned out that in the actual

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purchase agreement there were some fairly

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interesting things mentioned: something for 50,000 euros

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and lots and lots of expensive furniture, which

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was also included. But what’s interesting is that this

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apartment is worth 1.8 million, and there’s maybe 50

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to 100 thousand worth of furniture there, so where

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did the other more than 1 million euros go? We still

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can’t figure it out. Well, maybe it’s all still

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sitting in that company, or

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maybe they bought a yacht, a scarf, a car, or

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they just forgot about the money—they’re

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rich people.

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It’s not hard to do. They forgot five keys to

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this apartment.

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Bring them—we’re waiting for the keys. We’ve already

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basically written down who moves in when

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in this apartment, who vacations there and when,

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so please don’t disappoint our

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colleagues. They’re really hoping you’ll fulfill

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the terms of the bet, after all.

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Only rats keep their promises, so we’re waiting for you.

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Well then, wait—how did you film it, how

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did we film it? Yes, of course.

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We filmed it, and about a year ago it wasn’t me filming,

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it was my colleague from the investigations team.

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We weren’t even filming with our new drone then

21:41

because we didn’t have it yet. We were filming literally with whatever

21:44

we had on hand, just so we had something to shoot with, but

21:48

we got decent footage. They even chased

21:50

the person filming with French police,

21:52

but it all ended quite

21:54

successfully. The shots of the mouse or rat

21:57

and the beautiful pan toward the Eiffel Tower—we

21:59

managed to get that, and it turned out quite

22:03

effective. I won’t ask about the creative

22:06

plans of the investigations department—that favorite

22:08

question of journalists. Creative

22:12

plans? The plans are to work. Work means

22:15

doing investigations, publishing them,

22:18

telling stories, making videos—those are our

22:19

creative plans.

22:20

Obviously, I can’t say anything specific,

22:21

because the more specifically we

22:24

spell out what exactly we’re

22:26

working on, the greater the chance

22:30

the greater the risk that something

22:32

won’t work out.

22:34

and the greater the threat from

22:36

the people we investigate.

22:37

That’s why we always work under conditions of

22:39

strict secrecy, and no matter how much I’d like

22:42

to tell some

22:44

cool stories—which, believe me, believe us, we have

22:46

a lot of—but every story

22:49

has its own time.

22:51

In the wonderful Russia of the future, your memoirs

22:55

will be very popular, I think. We also wanted

22:59

to separately, wrapping up the topic of May 5,

23:02

yes, and Navalny’s arrest, and the detention

23:07

23:08

today—we wanted to talk about

23:10

how many staff members from our campaign offices were detained and

23:16

arrested: 28 administrative reports were filed against employees

23:21

of our offices, 163

23:26

days of arrest—I’m honestly thrown off by these numbers in total.

23:29

Altogether, people will spend under arrest, and

23:33

for May 5, 1 million 231

23:38

thousand rubles in total fines (about 1.231 million rubles).

23:40

There is even one criminal case.

23:45

In general, yes, these figures

23:51

are being updated literally every

23:54

hour—more and more arrests in the regions. Well, this

23:57

can only be explained by one thing: the protest action

24:00

on the 5th went very well—well enough to

24:04

seriously irritate the authorities, especially

24:07

since it was timed to Putin’s inauguration. All of this

24:09

is very unpleasant, and honestly they may

24:11

be thinking: we need to make it so that for people

24:13

it feels risky to come to these rallies, and so

24:17

they keep piling on these jail terms.

24:20

The fines are piling up too—they’ve gotten to the point where even

24:22

people who held so-called

24:26

authorized rallies and pickets—that is,

24:28

events that the authorities had formally approved,

24:32

basically saying on paper, yes, come hold it—

24:34

even in that case

24:36

people are now being detained. So this

24:38

line between “authorized” and

24:40

“unauthorized”

24:41

has been completely erased, and now there is

24:46

no difference whether you go to a protest

24:48

that was authorized or not authorized—

24:50

your risks are roughly the same, and they

24:52

decrease as the number of participants

24:55

in the protest increases. If 100 people came to a rally

24:58

and 10 were detained, your chance of being

25:00

detained is 10 percent. But if

25:03

10,000 people came and the same

25:07

10 were detained, then it’s 0.1 percent. So the more

25:10

people there are, the lower your chances of being

25:13

detained.

25:14

And one more thing: since I had a chance

25:16

to speak with our lawyers, the point is

25:20

that, as I understand it, they can’t just

25:23

detain you and let you go; they can

25:27

detain you and then give you some kind of small

25:29

fine or something else. The thing is, they

25:31

seem to have a kind of quota. They’ve taken on

25:34

a plan and they have to fulfill it, and if

25:37

a person ends up on the list, they have to process them.

25:38

That is, well, in their work there are lots of these

25:42

lists—in St. Petersburg and other regions as well—

25:44

where officers simply compile

25:46

A4 sheets with people listed on them. Friends,

25:48

what does this mean? It means that it does not mean

25:51

the people who were detained actually did anything.

25:53

They could have just been passing by and gotten caught up in it;

25:56

their surname was written down, and then they came for them.

25:59

So this goes back to the same question:

26:03

“What am I being punished for?” For nothing, really, for nothing.

26:05

You just ended up on a list. There’s a face,

26:08

the surname showed up, the face showed up—okay,

26:11

let’s take a look, and maybe while we’re at it we can pin something on them

26:14

too. That’s roughly how it’s done.

26:17

It works this way even with journalists: you

26:19

are essentially being targeted—they want to jail you

26:23

even though legally they won’t be able to do it

26:25

for covering protests the “wrong” way.

26:28

Gabrelyanov earned money for his apartment

26:30

from our money because he

26:32

covered these events the “right” way. That’s how this

26:34

system works. Let’s move on.

26:38

Roskomnadzor in action.

26:40

Roskomnadzor literally every

26:42

week gives us a reason to talk about them.

26:45

This time they blocked

26:48

several million more IP addresses,

26:50

including IP addresses used by WhatsApp,

26:52

Viber, and

26:53

Book and other services, and we have

26:56

a comment

26:57

from our expert consultant. And now

26:59

Vladislav Zdolnikov, who

27:01

is on the front line

27:02

of this fight with Roskomnadzor for

27:04

a free internet.

27:05

Please play Vladislav’s

27:07

comment.

27:08

In fact, this looks like some kind of

27:11

drawn-out, low-quality comedy

27:13

series, but today Roskomnadzor once again

27:16

shot itself in the foot and for some

27:17

time blocked a huge number of

27:20

IP addresses belonging to popular resources, and

27:22

among them, for example, were 329

27:26

addresses used by the WhatsApp messenger and the CDN service

27:29

that is used, among others, by Apple

27:32

and Google. This led to partial

27:35

inaccessibility of these services. There were even

27:38

some addresses of Russian internet service providers and

27:41

ordinary Russian users.

27:43

This can only be explained by the mechanism

27:45

Roskomnadzor uses to block resources.

27:48

They have a special computer to which

27:51

a device is connected with the Telegram app running

27:53

or with the website they want

27:55

to block. This computer

27:57

tracks the IP addresses that

28:00

the application connects to and then

28:02

in a semi-automatic mode sends them

28:04

to be blocked.

28:05

And if some ordinary user was again connected to this computer, or

28:08

if someone was using these resources,

28:09

that would explain why

28:12

those IP addresses ended up in the registry.

28:15

ordinary Russian users

28:16

is explained by the fact that on this computer

28:20

a torrent client was running, and at the same time these

28:24

monkeys with grenades, and for some reason, as

28:27

usual, they brazenly lie that WhatsApp IP addresses

28:29

were not added to the registry, even though everyone saw it

28:32

the most interesting thing is that right now

28:35

at this moment, there remain just over

28:37

10 million addresses in the registry, and Telegram

28:41

meanwhile perfectly

28:42

continues to work, and all this hellish

28:46

rampage, this hellish meaningless rampage,

28:48

has no effect whatsoever on how it works

28:54

and today we’re being told that today these

28:58

addresses—WhatsApp, Facebook, apparently—

29:00

were unblocked

29:01

an hour after being blocked. Also today in

29:03

Russia, disruptions began affecting Viber

29:06

and we even have a kind of map where

29:09

you can see

29:10

the hotspots of these disruptions, and as you can see on

29:14

the map, messenger outages were

29:16

recorded not only in Russia but also

29:18

most of the problems were reported

29:20

still, most of the problems were reported by

29:23

residents of Moscow and St. Petersburg, Samara

29:25

Saratov, Yaroslavl, and Nizhny Novgorod

29:27

in just one month, Roskomnadzor (Russia’s federal media and communications watchdog) managed to

29:30

block about 1 million IP addresses

29:32

belonging to Google and Amazon, and there were also widespread

29:35

disruptions in online games

29:37

and resources that even scientists use

29:40

well, scientists—you know that better than I do, a hundred

29:43

times better than we do, and today I, as a scientist,

29:46

personally just saw a message on Twitter

29:48

saying that not a single messenger works

29:50

except—well, the funny thing is, you know, all these

29:56

officials who passed the laws on

29:59

blocking Telegram and who are enforcing

30:01

this law—this Telegram blocking, this

30:03

internet blocking

30:04

they themselves are all on Telegram, and I

30:06

simply, for work-related reasons, have

30:09

quite a lot of contacts in my phone

30:11

including some from Roskomnadzor’s leadership

30:13

and State Duma deputies, but not because

30:15

I call them, but because at night when filing

30:19

and calling around—well, not because I call them, but

30:22

because, well, I obviously come across these

30:25

numbers somewhere and add them in VKontakte so I can

30:27

look at the nickname and photo in

30:31

messengers; that can be quite

30:34

effective in investigations when you

30:36

don’t have a photo of some person of interest

30:38

and then that person goes and puts

30:39

such a photo on their profile picture, and you

30:42

just grab it right there; in those kinds of

30:44

contacts, there are quite a lot of them—Milonov,

30:46

for example, is in Telegram. Yes, yes, yes, we

30:50

the investigator who handled my

30:51

criminal case at first, so

30:53

his avatar used to be Tigger, the cartoon character

30:56

and when Crimea happened, he

30:59

changed Tigger to a grizzly bear—he became

31:02

more menacing. So, as for the investigator, I

31:05

have plenty of contacts, and in my contacts

31:07

I can see that all these people have

31:10

kept using Telegram and

31:13

continue to use it, even, damn it,

31:16

Ampelonsky, if you remember—he was the

31:18

former press secretary of Roskomnadzor

31:20

who was placed under house arrest without

31:23

the right to use the internet—and there he is, sitting

31:25

on Telegram. Not only is he using

31:27

the internet

31:28

thereby violating the terms of his house

31:30

arrest, he is also violating

31:33

the decision of his own former agency

31:35

which banned the use of it

31:37

Google wasn’t working today either; it’s hardly likely that their

31:40

knowledge there began with me myself—if

31:43

before, when I opened the internet and

31:45

some site wouldn’t open, I’d think,

31:46

damn, some site must be down, oh well

31:49

I’ll check later. But now, if I immediately

31:51

see that the internet isn’t on or something isn’t

31:52

working, I turn on a VPN and that’s it—everything

31:55

works for me, works quite well. It’s a kind of

31:58

technical education for people

32:00

because at my home, half the devices there

32:02

dropped off when this

32:05

Roskomnadzor started this carpet

32:07

bombing, and I just bought a router

32:10

the cheapest one, spent half a day

32:12

setting up a VPN on that router, and now I

32:15

now have a VPN network at home, on which

32:17

everything opens, though not very

32:18

quickly, and the regular network, if not for

32:20

Roskomnadzor, I would never have gotten to this, and

32:22

now apparently they’ll be intercepting

32:24

slightly less of the traffic that I

32:26

send onto the internet. One more small piece of news

32:28

in internet education, so:

32:32

on Tverskaya Street, Beeline internet isn’t working

32:35

at all—it shows that it’s there, but

32:36

in fact it isn’t. But there is Moscow Free Wi-Fi there

32:42

Sobyanin (Moscow mayor Sergey Sobyanin) made sure that even on Kutuzovsky

32:45

there’s internet everywhere

32:46

I had the windows open because of the heat

32:49

maybe it flew in to me like that

32:51

it started crackling, they took it away, I tried myself

32:54

to catch the internet—it worked great, didn’t

32:57

even try anything, but we’re glad you stayed in touch

32:59

during the shoot

33:00

she’s somehow calmer, and yes, we

33:03

will move on now—you choose, shall we talk

33:08

about the bridge or about Tuleyev? Well, let’s

33:13

talk about Tuleyev, of course. Tuleyev interests me much more

33:15

I haven’t driven over the bridge—cool, but here

33:19

this was one of the most

33:20

extreme experiences of my life

33:22

because we—you’ve probably seen

33:26

the investigation into Tuleyev’s residence—we

33:30

went there and filmed simply

33:32

an enormous, gigantic plot in that area

33:34

of a million square meters

33:36

with quite a lot of buildings; all of this

33:38

is a state residence in which

33:41

where Tuleyev lives and which he uses

33:43

this state residence, and knowing the special

33:47

legal regime in Kemerovo Oblast

33:49

or rather, the absence of any real legal

33:51

regime, and everything that goes on there in general

33:54

how people are thrown in jail there lawlessly, how

33:56

people are detained, we decided not to

33:58

fly straight to Kemerovo

33:59

the way Mikhail Svetov did

34:01

when they were simply sent back from the airport

34:03

by the security services back to Moscow, so we flew

34:05

via Novosibirsk

34:07

Sergei Boyko helped us there, the coordinator

34:10

of the Moscow headquarters—well, rather,

34:12

the Siberian one—he helped us

34:14

So we drove from Novosibirsk by car

34:18

with a huge new drone in the trunk, and

34:20

headed to Kemerovo

34:22

I thought I’d sleep on the way because

34:24

I hadn’t gotten enough sleep on the flights, but it was the most

34:26

terrible road I’ve ever seen in my

34:28

life. In Magadan

34:30

I lived for a couple of months when I was there

34:31

during the election campaign, and the roads were far

34:34

better. Here you drive on a road with two lanes, one

34:37

going one way, the other going the opposite way, and

34:39

it’s hell: potholes everywhere, some kind of

34:41

speed bumps that make you just

34:43

slam around at 120 km/h (about 75 mph)

34:47

It all looked absolutely awful, and

34:51

it was obvious where the money goes. The money goes

34:53

when you arrive in Kemerovo Oblast

34:55

you can immediately see it doesn’t go to the roads, it

34:57

goes to Tuleyev

34:58

to his luxurious lifestyle, while the people who

35:00

drive on those roads are simply putting

35:01

their lives at risk. While I was riding, I got a bump

35:04

on my head because our car

35:06

was bouncing around like this

35:07

I thought we’d have to raise money for a new drone

35:09

because the old one in the trunk

35:11

had definitely been smashed. Wait, Georgy, is this

35:14

that not the dacha that supposedly doesn’t exist? It’s the dacha

35:17

that supposedly doesn’t exist. You probably saw—not

35:23

just you, but the prosecutor’s office saw it too

35:25

they saw your report. As we got

35:29

closer to this dacha, and as

35:32

the road got worse, it became clear that the dacha

35:34

must be impressive. And indeed,

35:36

that’s exactly how it turned out—there was quite a lot

35:38

there. Naturally, we filed

35:40

a complaint with the prosecutor’s office and everywhere else

35:42

we needed to, because Tuleyev

35:45

left his post, but nevertheless

35:48

continues to use this

35:49

state residence

35:50

What the hell, I ask? Fine, if you’re

35:53

the head of a region, maybe you’re entitled to something

35:55

while you’re in office—but when you leave and this

35:58

luxurious residence

36:01

surrounded by forest, with fresh air, its own

36:04

artesian well—when all of that stays with you

36:06

what the hell? And why, I ask,

36:08

do all the other residents of Kemerovo live in

36:11

conditions of outright environmental

36:13

catastrophe, while you sit there in a pine

36:16

forest sipping water from an artesian

36:19

well, breathing in pine air and living the good life

36:23

when you have no right to be there

36:25

We wrote about this, and it outraged us

36:27

We have a recipe for

36:31

the prosecutor’s office. It goes like this: Dear

36:33

prosecutor’s office, how do you find that residence?

36:36

Tuleyev’s presidential-style residence, how

36:40

do you find it? You drive along your usual

36:42

potholes, and once the potholes

36:46

suddenly end, that’s where it is

36:48

When they end, that’s when you turn

36:51

toward the place where the road gets better and better

36:53

You’ll know you’re on the right track when the air gets warmer—warmer

36:55

warmer—Tuleyev

36:57

That’s it. And the air changes too

37:01

it becomes easier to breathe, which means you’re

37:03

getting closer

37:04

which means you’re closer to Tuleyev. Though I don’t know

37:07

about that “easier to breathe” part, by the way—we may

37:09

be exaggerating, because he’s already

37:12

started feeling unwell after two investigations. Well, yes, he

37:15

even made a rather ridiculous statement

37:17

saying he was leaving politics because

37:18

because

37:19

he was offended by our investigation, because

37:21

we had supposedly destroyed his faith in

37:24

people by flying a drone over his dacha, of course

37:27

That’s flattering enough for us, because

37:29

to have a character like that as

37:33

a little star painted on our plane is, of course,

37:35

nice, but we understand that he’s hardly

37:38

likely to be telling the truth, because Tuleyev

37:41

is a pretty nasty, slippery type

37:44

who adapts to the situation and at

37:46

any given moment says what people

37:49

want to hear from him. He’s trying to rise above it

37:52

and claim that the investigation morally

37:54

humiliated him. Today everyone can see

37:57

this supposedly wonderful, sweet man who absolutely did not

37:59

want to morally humiliate anyone, but simply

38:01

Honestly, it’s infuriating. Sorry, if investigators are writing this

38:06

about all this—is it a joke or not? In fact

38:10

Tuleyev himself filed it against us

38:15

Can you imagine? We did an investigation about someone

38:16

and he personally filed a complaint against us

38:18

with the prosecutor’s office. That’s never happened before

38:20

But now I have a recipe for

38:22

you: if the prosecutor’s office forces you

38:25

to retract something, don’t forget

38:28

to show directly once again

38:30

what exactly you are retracting. Because in fact

38:32

the prosecutor’s office is refuting something we never

38:37

said. The prosecutor’s office issued a statement

38:40

saying that Tuleyev does not own this

38:43

dacha and that they are considering

38:45

opening a criminal libel case, and

38:47

but we never said that this

38:49

property belonged to Tuleyev. Look at

38:50

our investigation—we say all along

38:54

and even show official documentation that it is not

38:56

legally registered in his name; it is registered to

38:58

the administration, and all of it is funded

39:01

from the budget. I mean, it used to be recorded under

39:02

Tuleyev's account, and fewer budget funds

39:04

were spent on it. But now all of this is maintained

39:06

at the expense of the budget, with the very money

39:08

that is already lacking for roads and other needs there.

39:10

Tuleyev lives there, and why the hell is he living there

39:12

when, from the moment he resigned from the post of

39:16

governor, it's completely unclear? There are no

39:18

legal grounds whatsoever for him to remain at

39:19

that dacha. That's what outraged us. He

39:21

is now the 'People's Governor,' apparently, and the newspaper

39:23

has split everything into 'the people'—he's become 'people's,'

39:26

a 'People's Governor.' That's enough about the house, I'll

39:28

tell this story. We hadn't even published it

39:30

on air yet—you can talk about it freely, it's

39:32

or are you asking about something else?

39:35

For now, if you want, by the way, ask questions about

39:37

what's going on now—we'll still be

39:39

telling the truth. We have some

39:40

residents of Kemerovo staying on the air, and

39:42

we'll be talking with them, so if there's something

39:46

interesting... Still, what I wanted

39:48

to add—well, first of all, 'People's'

39:50

Governor'—what is a 'People's'

39:53

Governor, exactly? A 'People's Governor'

39:56

is a title, a title called 'People's Governor,'

39:59

which they awarded in Kemerovo. You might think it was given to

40:03

Tuleyev because, well, there simply were no other

40:05

governors there. And this title was established,

40:09

this award, this order—or whatever it is—

40:12

by a man who worked under Tuleyev

40:16

and who, for some reason, for a short

40:18

time became acting governor. Well,

40:19

apparently Tuleyev decided not to

40:22

sign the decree awarding himself

40:24

the title of 'People's Governor,' so he appointed

40:27

some other person governor for a few days,

40:29

and that person signed the

40:31

decree. And then Tuleyev once again became not just

40:33

governor, but also the 'People's Governor.'

40:35

And now for the best part: this is not

40:39

just a title you can add to your

40:41

Wikipedia page. First of all, you get

40:43

some kind of gold star that you

40:45

hang around your neck, and it really is made

40:47

of gold. It comes with a description, like

40:49

it's suspended in such a way that it doesn't hang too far forward,

40:52

with another heavier part at the back,

40:57

and it's officially issued to you.

40:59

And not only do you get this gold trinket,

41:02

issued to you by our

41:03

you are also entitled to monthly cash

41:06

payments—something like 60,000 or 100,000 rubles

41:08

which, for Kemerovo Region,

41:10

is a lot of money. And Tuleyev invented

41:13

this title for himself and effectively awarded it

41:15

to himself through an aide, and now everywhere

41:18

he proudly calls himself the 'People's'

41:21

Governor,' even though there had never been any governor other than

41:23

Tuleyev at the time it was awarded, and in

41:24

Kemerovo there never had been.

41:28

Everyone was talking about him and the KAMAZ truck (a Russian truck manufacturer), KAMAZ, KAMAZ,

41:31

and Putin, Putin and the KAMAZ. In fact,

41:34

of course, after Putin drove the

41:37

KAMAZ, everyone started discussing his traffic-law violations.

41:39

In particular, he was not

41:42

wearing a seat belt, not buckled up. Like everyone,

41:48

when I'm in a car, I

41:52

would scold him for that whenever there's someone

41:54

to set an example—of course you should always buckle up.

41:56

As someone who tries to follow the rules, I always wear mine,

41:59

but Putin did not buckle up.

42:02

But I don't really see much point in discussing that

42:04

in itself, because this is exactly how everything works

42:10

in this country—this constant refusal

42:12

to buckle up, this total disregard, because

42:16

well,

42:17

why bother with seat belts at all?

42:22

Whether you flew or not, whatever—don't make me

42:24

comply. But really, this

42:25

whole story, in my view,

42:28

well,

42:28

it seems to me that would have been too much—it

42:30

would have looked straight out of the TV series *Truckers*.

42:40

Anyway, in reality the story

42:42

of Putin's relationship not with these

42:44

codes and rule-following as such,

42:47

whether traffic regulations or the Air Code,

42:49

but his relationship with all these

42:51

pieces of paper, as he seems to regard them,

42:54

has a long history. Because Putin has already

42:56

ridden without a helmet and without a license on a

43:01

motorcycle together with the biker group the Night

43:04

Wolves. That too was a direct

43:06

violation of traffic law, and back then they said

43:08

that if the road is closed off, then

43:11

it somehow ceases to be a road, or

43:13

becomes some kind of place of public use,

43:16

a place for public presence

43:17

of citizens—some kind of

43:19

bureaucratic nonsense.

43:20

A senior traffic police official said that, and Putin was let off the hook then too.

43:22

Even before that, Putin had also violated

43:26

the code—this time the Air Code—when he

43:29

piloted

43:31

a seaplane; I think it was a Be-200,

43:33

that EMERCOM aircraft

43:35

used for fighting fires. And

43:37

at that time Putin, obviously having no

43:39

pilot's certificate,

43:40

without having undergone any flight

43:43

training, any medical clearance, any

43:46

pre-flight medical exam—well, this was not

43:49

the EMERCOM plane in Oryol that was putting out

43:51

a fire, but still, here too Putin

43:53

was on an aircraft, and Putin, with no

43:55

training whatsoever, sat in the captain's seat,

43:57

the left seat of the aircraft, and

44:00

was flying the plane—and again, nothing happened to him.

44:02

Maybe, perhaps, what—

44:08

maybe he doesn't need a license? But here

44:10

he was, in fact, violating the law.

44:12

Someone might get the impression

44:15

that Putin has some kind of special legal

44:18

status, that he can violate

44:21

codes that are meant to increase

44:24

people's safety—and the answer is: yes.

44:27

That really is how it works: Putin can break the law

44:29

and the traffic police won't do a damn thing to him for it.

44:33

They won't do it; instead they come up with 150

44:35

different tricks, 150 such legal

44:37

constructs that would make any lawyer's

44:40

brain explode, and all of it only so that

44:42

Putin won't be fined 500

44:45

rubles (about $5), because really, how could Putin

44:47

and a 500-ruble fine possibly exist in

44:49

the same world? Under this government,

44:51

that simply cannot happen. So the question is: can the same happen with

44:54

Slutsky? No way with Slutsky. I keep waiting

44:57

for Slutsky to hit a thousand traffic fines,

44:59

and when he does, I'll probably celebrate it with a cake.

45:06

I'll probably bring a cake to the Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK), because Slutsky

45:08

is now at 960-something fines, but

45:12

as I understand it, he's switched to

45:14

another car. We were sent a photo from

45:16

the State Duma (the lower house of Russia's parliament)

45:17

where he's no longer in his own

45:19

Maybach, the one that had almost a thousand

45:21

fines on it, but is already in another car

45:22

that is, damn it, gold-colored.

45:24

Which, honestly, surprises me in Slutsky's case,

45:26

though it does nicely complement his

45:29

image. But I think we'll mark the thousandth fine

45:33

somehow in our narrow circle, and we'll keep investigating.

45:35

Nadezhda Baranova writes

45:37

something absolutely correct about that same nonsense

45:39

that

45:40

I don't know whether it's awkward for you too,

45:42

but really—what traffic rules, what air safety?

45:44

Putin constantly violates the Constitution.

45:47

I wanted to say that it's rather amusing

45:49

that you say this in front of Georgy

45:52

—the surname there was Tuleyev.

45:54

And here, basically, you're being told

45:56

about the recognized Slutsky, which means

45:59

it's all turned into a kind of verbal camembert

46:06

where words just float around

46:08

and live their own lives, not knowing that you

46:12

are talking about a cake and the thousandth fine.

46:15

But listen, we live on not knowing what exactly lies

46:18

behind each of us. Of course we know that behind

46:19

each of us there are a couple of

46:22

FSB officers (Russia's security service) assigned, who probably also

46:24

mark our

46:26

small joys and lifeless

46:28

defeats among themselves. Like, so, your car wouldn't start?

46:31

Your car?

46:31

So your FSB guy bought a cake for the colleagues,

46:34

because that has to be celebrated somehow too, and I

46:37

only find out about it later, off camera.

46:40

Today the bridge appeared on Google Maps,

46:42

so yes, I'm already aware of the Crimean Bridge story.

46:47

Russia's Investigative Committee

46:50

has opened a criminal case against an American

46:51

journalist. The investigators—well, not only

46:54

Russian journalists do this, you know—they give

46:56

these formulations. The investigation found in an article by Tom Rogan

46:59

calls for terrorist

47:01

activity aimed at destabilizing

47:03

the work of the government bodies of the Russian

47:06

Federation. By the way, the article is titled

47:09

"Ukraine Should Blow Up Putin's

47:11

Crimean Bridge," and its content, broadly speaking,

47:13

matches the headline.

47:14

The Investigative Committee also did not ignore

47:16

even the editors of the *Washington Examiner*,

47:20

against whom a preliminary inquiry is underway

47:21

over the publication of the article.

47:24

Who knows, maybe

47:30

after the broadcast I'll get 150

47:32

messages saying what an ignoramus I am for not knowing such a

47:34

great publication, but to me that means

47:36

it's some outlet of that sort—not exactly the *New York Times*, let's say.

47:39

Not really. I'm just saying here that I wouldn't

47:43

claim to be some expert on American media,

47:45

but this is a fairly long-running

47:49

and already well-established policy:

47:51

offense, offense, offense. You can never

47:54

say enough of it when you yourself

47:55

take offense at absolutely everything possible.

47:58

Day and night they sit there looking for something

48:01

to be offended by—who else has insulted them, whom else

48:03

they can open another criminal

48:05

case against.

48:06

Listen, and this publication that

48:09

nobody even knows—who found this article in the first place?

48:10

This article?

48:12

It all somehow fits into the same overall

48:14

context: they're looking for someone

48:16

to be offended by, someone to prosecute. And here

48:18

all you need is to put together three words: bridge, Ukraine,

48:23

and that's enough for them—whatever the status of the outlet is,

48:28

whatever it's about, none of that matters.

48:31

Everything lined up. And it didn't start there either—already on

48:35

PlayStation Network things are still working badly,

48:37

still.

48:38

A great many websites, a great many resources,

48:40

are working very poorly. Telecom

48:42

is working great, Roskomnadzor (Russia's media and internet regulator) is working

48:45

terribly, and the internet, of course, is now

48:48

under heavy attack.

48:49

This is one of the most important topics right now, so

48:52

what else did we want to discuss? There was

48:55

a good topic that literally appeared

48:57

an hour or two before our broadcast. Let me

48:59

read it out: a bill has been introduced in the State Duma

49:01

on fines—fines for

49:04

abusing the right to hold

49:06

rallies. United Russia, represented by deputies

49:08

Gribov and Vyatkin, believes that people should be

49:11

fined if a notification is submitted without

49:12

the intention of actually holding the event. This law,

49:23

naturally, is yet another one of those 150-thousandth

49:26

laws they came up with supposedly for

49:29

the sake of fighting corruption, and I'll tell you now about a wonderful case

49:32

that fits the wording of this law perfectly

49:34

perfectly,

49:37

but in which it will never

49:40

be enforced, and no one will ever

49:42

be fined. When we submit

49:45

notifications for rallies in the regions,

49:47

dozens of them in every region,

49:49

we get the reply: guys, sorry, this place is

49:53

already booked, we've received notifications for

49:56

all 50 key locations in the city.

49:59

there will be events there

50:00

so please go instead to

50:03

the cemetery

50:03

twenty kilometers from the city, there in

50:05

sector A2, you can meditate as much as

50:08

you like, but without any hand gestures, amplifying

50:10

sound-amplifying equipment, so as not to disturb anyone

50:14

and these constantly invented pretexts

50:19

for refusing permission to hold rallies, saying that

50:22

someone will be there and will be

50:24

holding something there, and this happens every time

50:26

it keeps happening, every single time when

50:30

we are refused, the people who work in

50:32

the campaign headquarters look at the refusal to hold

50:35

the event, where it says what will be held and where

50:37

and why you cannot be there

50:39

and hold a rally; people go

50:40

to the place where they wanted to hold

50:43

the rally, and where they were told the place would be

50:45

occupied, where someone else’s

50:47

rally would already be taking place. They come and look

50:49

to see what is supposedly going to happen there, what exactly

50:51

is happening there, where that grand rally is

50:53

because of which they denied me this venue

50:54

people come and end up seeing

50:57

emptiness, a flat expanse, just

50:59

the scorched Lenin Square

51:01

usually there is nobody there, and this whole

51:05

law, if adopted, will first of all of course

51:07

formally, if we take this

51:10

law seriously, if we seriously

51:12

approach the enforcement of this law, then first of all

51:14

of course it should apply to

51:16

the administration that invents pretexts

51:20

to refuse to provide this venue for

51:23

holding the event, and to those people who together with

51:25

the administration filed this fake

51:27

application in order to push

51:29

our rallies out of the central squares. Those are

51:32

the ones who should be held accountable under this law. Well,

51:34

naturally, naturally, they will not be held

51:38

accountable for it. And then the next thing is this:

51:41

when we submit applications for rallies

51:43

having learned from bitter experience, those applications

51:46

are filed for several locations at once so that

51:48

if permission is denied for one

51:51

venue, we can move to

51:52

another venue that is also suitable

51:55

for us from our point of view. And obviously

51:58

a rally cannot take place simultaneously

52:01

in several places, so as a precaution

52:03

such applications are submitted, and then they

52:04

are promptly withdrawn if approval

52:07

is received. Nothing terrible

52:08

happens; nobody mobilizes

52:10

police units to guard all

52:13

the locations at once

52:15

but most likely this will be used

52:18

somehow against us, possibly in exactly

52:20

the scenario I just described

52:22

or perhaps something else, but never

52:24

under any normal circumstances will it ever be

52:25

used to punish

52:27

the administration that violates

52:30

this law dozens of times a day across the

52:33

country. But even if this scenario

52:36

that you described as unrealistic—that is,

52:39

when the administration simply doesn’t produce anyone

52:40

and just says, “Look, on the square—listen,”

52:42

even if, I think, you go to the prosecutor’s office

52:45

for your whole life seeking enforcement—it still won’t

52:47

lead anywhere, or wherever people like to file complaints

52:49

they’ll bring out the Cossacks (state-aligned paramilitary/traditionalist groups)

52:51

and say, “There was some event there, the goat ate the list, two

52:54

grandmothers showed up—we had registered 55 people for it”

52:56

well, four grandmothers came, and they were holding it

53:01

we can’t find the paperwork right now, but they definitely

53:03

were there, so everything is fine.” So

53:05

that’s how it will be. I’m already sick and tired of

53:08

all this bureaucratic formalism

53:10

that the authorities constantly engage in, and we

53:14

know perfectly well all their tricks, how

53:16

they will carry things like this out. And then

53:19

that brings us to another wonderful

53:22

law—just how, really, how

53:26

monstrous it is. Explain to me the law on

53:28

criminal prosecution for assisting

53:30

anti-Russian sanctions—what exactly is it?

53:32

of course, this is a law for some people

53:35

and a different law for others at the same time. That is,

53:37

we already know in advance that no

53:39

Sberbank or Gazprom, for directly

53:41

complying with anti-Russian sanctions,

53:43

because Sberbank—good Lord, if you somehow

53:46

don’t know—does not operate in Crimea because

53:48

it does not want to fall under sanctions

53:51

so the law is written as if directly

53:54

for punishing them, but what matters here much more

53:58

is not the law that punishes

54:01

for complying with sanctions, but the law

54:03

that introduces criminal liability

54:05

for helping to bring those sanctions about

54:08

because that one is clearly aimed—well, it is

54:11

written even less with us in mind

54:13

and more with people like Kara-Murza (Vladimir Kara-Murza, Russian opposition politician) in mind, who

54:16

quite actively and rightly

54:19

lobby for these sanctions. Let me repeat:

54:21

these so-called anti-Russian sanctions

54:23

are sanctions against specific crooks

54:25

who steal from you and me, who

54:27

buy things—like Rotenberg’s watches, or some

54:29

hotels and theaters in Germany—and put

54:31

our money into them, money that

54:33

was taken out of the country

54:33

and imposing sanctions on Rotenberg

54:36

Timchenko, Kovalchuk, Malofeev, and all the rest

54:40

this whole horde of parasites

54:41

is an action in the interests of every

54:44

citizen of Russia: the less these people

54:46

are able to take out of the country

54:47

the better it is for you and me. And of course the authorities

54:50

find this infuriating, because their

54:52

long-term life plan—these

54:54

Rotenbergs and Kovalchuks—is to steal here

54:57

and then live with their children under protection somewhere in

55:00

Portofino, enjoying themselves there

55:02

while the rest of us live here, and now they

55:05

see this place merely as a territory for making money

55:07

This isn’t about their money or the mine they come to,

55:09

where they arrive and from where, effectively, they haul away

55:11

their little stash of gold and then carry it off to

55:15

some little chest somewhere in Europe.

55:18

But that irritates them, and the problem is one of understanding,

55:22

because they themselves brought into circulation

55:24

these absurd laws of theirs.

55:26

In general, with their own

55:27

Kiselyov-and-Solovyov-style propaganda (a reference to pro-Kremlin TV hosts Dmitry Kiselyov and Vladimir Solovyov), even the very phrase

55:30

“anti-Russian sanctions.” And now

55:33

I have to sit here on air, twitching,

55:35

explaining that they are not anti-Russian

55:37

sanctions. Anti-Russian sanctions are when you go to a store

55:39

and, because of them, instead of normal European

55:41

products, you’re forced

55:44

to eat some incomprehensible Kuban cheese

55:45

that costs twice as much as

55:47

French cheese, even though, you understand,

55:52

that at least would make some sense.

55:54

We literally, literally have four

55:57

minutes left, and I’d like a small

55:59

musical, so to speak, a musical

56:02

interlude. You won’t sing, I hope?

56:06

No, the Georgians will do it for me. They

56:11

put on a rave. You look at it and think: all right,

56:17

I don’t know what’s coming next—what kind of thing is this?

56:21

After a rally in Georgia, a crowd demanded

56:23

the resignation of the prime minister and the interior minister

56:25

so as not to repeat the Russian

56:28

scenario, when police beat people. But there,

56:30

the beatings were, let’s say, a little more

56:33

mild—lighter stories when it comes to human rights.

56:35

Supposedly it all started over some kind of drug issue;

56:37

raids began on nightclubs.

56:40

But what people didn’t like, of course,

56:42

wasn’t that someone was fighting

56:43

drugs. What they didn’t like was how it was done, because

56:45

it looked too much like us—like what happens here.

56:48

All that arm-twisting, dragging people out without

56:50

any due process—pulling them this way and that.

56:52

People came out in crowds, and I want to show

56:57

what it looked like: a rave in Georgia in front of—well, in front of

57:01

the Interior Ministry.

57:18

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57:23

Yes, and now we’ve seen that building—

57:26

the parliament building.

57:27

Why think small? Go straight for it, you know.

57:30

The Beautiful Russia of the Future (a political phrase meaning a democratic, reformed future Russia) is when

57:32

a country’s citizens gather and tell

57:35

their authorities: we want things to be like

57:37

they are in Russia—we want them to be like in

57:39

the Beautiful Russia, where the police are honest,

57:42

the courts are fair,

57:43

and institutions are independent—that’s the dream. But now

57:45

as things stand, when people gather,

57:48

what they fear most is that it will turn out like

57:50

Russia—with the same kind of police. That, of course,

57:52

is frightening. And I hope that in the Beautiful Russia

57:55

of the Future, all of this will be fixed, and Russia

57:57

will become an example for its closest neighbors

58:00

and for the rest of the world.

58:01

Bring that wonderful time closer together

58:03

with us. Bring it closer, as we do—bring it closer

58:06

even better than we do. We’re saying goodbye now—see you, bye.

58:10

Bye.

58:12

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