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Good evening, everyone. In Moscow, it is exactly 8:00 p.m.

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That means we are live on air with

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the program *Russia of the Future*, and I am its host,

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Alexei Navalny, or a person

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whose organization may be declared a sect, which,

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as was said not by just some random person off the street, but by

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Igor Ivanishko, a court expert and

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scholar of religion—that is, one of those very people who

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have the authority to submit documents to the court

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to have something recognized as a sect,

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a destructive sect.

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So this is a good, encouraging

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sign that I—and obviously

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many viewers of this program as well—are not

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There are no sects without followers. The chief

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sectarian—they’ll declare us a sect and ban us.

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Please send in your questions with

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We’re sending little ducklings—

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they’ll float across the screen. We are continuing to raise

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money for the fines that were

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imposed a year ago on independent

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candidates for the Moscow City Duma, on all

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participants and organizers of the Moscow

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protests—multi-million-ruble fines. They

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will have to be paid.

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We are raising money for them. In the description

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of this broadcast there will also be a link to

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a post by Vladimir Milov, who—many thanks to him—

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has agreed to act as a kind of

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aggregator. He very kindly

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agreed to use his bank account

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so that money can be transferred there,

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and then he will in turn

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pay these fines. It’s just that using the accounts of the people directly involved doesn’t work,

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simply because

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they are under arrest or constantly

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under threat of arrest. Anatoly Ivankov asks:

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“Alexei, why do you think

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there’s not a word on Russian zombie TV

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about the protests and elections in Belarus?”

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Obviously, because

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Russian zombie TV generally does not

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show protests at all,

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except those in Western countries.

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They do not want anything like that

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or anything similar to happen here, and obviously

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no one is drawing parallels between Lukashenko and Putin for them.

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So where shall we begin? Let’s

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start with the fact that in September there

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will be elections. I promised to drive you crazy

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with constant mentions of Smart Voting,

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and I

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intend to keep that promise

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because it is genuinely super important: 31

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regions, 66 election campaigns. Here’s

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a question from Ekaterina Shtangi:

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“Hello, Alexei. Please tell us

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more about the Komi Republic.

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There will be elections in the Komi Republic, in particular

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in the Komi Republic.

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By the way, it is very important from the point of view

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that the authorities’ ratings are low there, and

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United Russia can be crushed there.

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For example, we do not have a штаб (campaign office) in the Komi Republic,

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there.

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Although we are still recruiting election observers

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everywhere, so, guys, this is something you really

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need to take part in, because

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right now this is basically the main

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political direction the authorities are taking—very

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quietly, by the way. The events you see—

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the arrest of one person, the arrest

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of another,

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people being dragged off at rallies, all sorts of things—

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but in fact the main thing

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the authorities are doing now is changing

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the election procedure right before our eyes.

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They looked and saw that, well,

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people were swallowing it, and basically this

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altered, perverted procedure

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of the nationwide vote (the constitutional vote) somehow

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seemed to be accepted, so now they are

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introducing laws so that any

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elections can be multi-day and held on

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tree stumps.

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As for observers, right now we

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—and the link is also in the description—are gathering

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thousands of observers and sending them to other

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regions. Roughly speaking, if you live in Moscow,

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go observe in Nizhny Novgorod, or

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go to Tambov to observe, and you

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sign up and say: we will go

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observe. And immediately United Russia

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introduces a bill under which it will not

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be allowed for a person to observe in another

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region. That is, if you are in Moscow—

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right now that is not the case, but they want to make it so

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that you cannot observe in Nizhny Novgorod, or in

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Tambov, or even in Moscow Region—

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Balashikha,

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Podolsk—major elections there—you will not be able

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to observe. So they are carefully

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watching everything we do, and Smart

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Voting, campaigners,

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observers—and they are consistently

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dragging through all sorts of laws

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to obstruct this.

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The only way to resist this now is,

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first, through more active participation in

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the election campaign—not only in terms of

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voting, but also in terms of work. And then

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we will see. Of course, I think that undoubtedly

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all this creeping change

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to election legislation, which

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will turn elections into

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a non-existent procedure, will stop—but only if

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there are truly hundreds of thousands of people across the

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country involved. And still, we need to understand: Putin

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and Panfilova will not stop introducing new measures.

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the rules, because if they don’t stop,

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they will lose every election until

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a huge number of people are out in the

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streets. It will have to be done, we will have to

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go out, we’ll have to go to jail for it, go out

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of prison and then go back out into the streets again, because

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otherwise, otherwise there won’t be any elections there anymore

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by the State Duma elections, there absolutely won’t be

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anything left except the same old stump voting and seven-day

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voting, and then the announcement

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of the results: United

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Russia has won everywhere. So get ready, guys.

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For our struggle, for our right to vote, simply

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for some candidates, for our right to be

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observers, for our right to have at least

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something resembling an election, we will have to

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fight for it together. On indis 163 they ask me,

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“Alexei, has there been any reaction

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from the West to the reset-to-zero (the constitutional change allowing Putin to reset his presidential term count)? How can you

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comment on that?” I can

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comment on it this way: the West

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— it’s not exactly that they couldn’t care less, but, well,

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they more or less don’t care, because they already

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understood everything. The West looks at this

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vast one-sixth of the Earth’s landmass

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and they understand: Belarus, Russia,

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Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Azerbaijan — it’s all

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more or less the same thing: some former Soviet

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crook seized power and clings to it until death

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at the helm. So, well, what else is new?

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They view it negatively, because

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it’s a huge country that is getting poorer, and from

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Russia every year about 200,000 people

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flee. And where do they flee? To the West.

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The West doesn’t like that. In principle, they

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would like things to develop normally, but

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if we ourselves, so to speak, are not

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fighting for that, then what can the West do? So

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the West limits itself to adopting

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resolutions saying that they express

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deep concern, and tomorrow they’ll

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express their deepest possible concern, and yet

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Putin will still be right here. And everything

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that is happening in Russia, of course, they

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recognize as lawlessness. But do you expect

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the West to go and fight with our

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Ella Pamfilova (head of Russia’s Central Election Commission)? No. They think,

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basically,

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“Okay, what are we supposed to do — start a nuclear war with

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Putin?” Russians have to

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stand up for their own rights.

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Of course, we want to help them, but how exactly

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to help is not very clear. So, well, Putin —

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fine, Putin. Putin keeps all the Russian money

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in our banks. He has turned this

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country into a raw-material appendage, simply into

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a gas station for our cars.

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He supplies us with timber, he supplies us with

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metal. All of this somehow looks very

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unfair to the people of

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Russia, and clearly, clearly this will somehow

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end badly — that’s what the West thinks.

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But let’s not run ahead of ourselves,

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get ahead of the locomotive. By the way, at the end

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of the program, there are 40,000 — 42,000 people

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watching live right now. As people keep joining,

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we’ll be discussing the most

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important topic: Khabarovsk. I wrote about

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Khabarovsk. Of course, Khabarovsk is the most

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important region right now, but in fact you can

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draw various parallels there. Notice

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that already this September, and

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naturally by the State Duma elections,

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the Kremlin will fully unleash

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this whole technology of fake

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small parties and fake candidates.

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We are already seeing this very actively even

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in regional campaigns. It’s just that

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most people, of course, don’t follow

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regional campaigns — it’s not interesting to follow

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regional campaigns — but nevertheless

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it is happening. And there was this

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kind of

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interesting thing too, and nobody

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paid attention to it — the media absolutely did not

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notice it. Do you remember the party

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Communists of Russia? These Communists of Russia,

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their leader, that Suraykin guy,

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who ran in the presidential election —

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these Communists of Russia take part in

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every election in the country. In an amazing,

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astonishing way, their candidates

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always collect signatures, always

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get registered — everything always goes very

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smoothly for them. That is, they always get

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very few votes, but they participate in every

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election. And then they had some kind of

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split, and one of the leaders of Communists of

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Russia, later an opponent of Suraykin,

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basically revealed the details of something

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we knew about, but didn’t know

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in detail. For example, in the last

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Moscow City Duma elections, when all that

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turmoil was going on, in every district there was a

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representative of Communists of Russia, simply

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in every district. And all of them said, “We

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collected 4,000–5,000 signatures,” and all of them

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turned out to have perfect signatures. And then this

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guy came out and said, “Do you know, actually, that

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Suraykin received 120 million rubles (about 1.3 million USD) from the mayor’s office

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to collect them and

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put forward his fake candidates,”

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because, well, Communists of Russia

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pull votes away from the Communists; in general they

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help United Russia, often — very often.

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Almost always, a Communists of Russia candidate

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attacks;

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he acts like a kind of enforcer

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for the United Russia candidate: he files complaints, attacks all

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the opposition figures, and so on. So let’s

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listen to 1 minute and 6 seconds of it.

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Konstantin Zhukov, deputy chairman — apparently

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former deputy chairman by now — of the Communists of

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Russia party, talks about how things are organized

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there. “I am one of the founders

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of the party,”

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“secretary, deputy chairman

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of the Central Committee, Konstantin…”

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Unfortunately, as of today our project can

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quite frankly be called a failure.

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Power and the party have been usurped

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by Maksim Suraikin's clique, which has turned

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the party into its own commercial project.

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It is engaged in trading elections,

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cooperates with the Presidential Administration,

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and with regional and local administrations,

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in order to act

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as a spoiler for the CPRF (Communist Party of the Russian Federation), and gets paid for it.

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I'll give just one example.

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In last year's elections to the Moscow

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City Duma, out of thirty-two

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candidates, 26 were what you might call

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Sobyanin's people. Through third parties, into the party's accounts,

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through intermediaries,

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the city administration funneled around 120

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million rubles (about 1.3 million USD).

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The main goal was to prevent

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the CPRF from forming a majority in

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the Moscow City Duma—and they succeeded.

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The CPRF fell short by around five to seven

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seats. You see, and this is very important

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to understand: look, this is systemic. This is

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not just, you know,

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an example of the lawlessness that existed in

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Moscow and how afraid Sobyanin was that we

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would take the majority away from him—the majority,

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yes, that's one example, of course. But right now

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there are elections in Novosibirsk, and it's the same thing there.

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Well, in Siberia too, everywhere—Communists of Russia,

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what else, the New People party, and various

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others—one of every kind, basically—they put them all on the ballot.

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What does that mean? It means

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that an ordinary voter simply

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has no idea who to vote for.

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That is exactly why Smart Voting is needed.

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Because there are all these fake pseudo-

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opposition figures who, by appearance, by

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name—say, with a name like Communist

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of Russia, or opposition something, or the New

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People party—people think, well, maybe that's some kind of youth party,

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and then some other party of, I don't know who,

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and then there'll be Sergey Shnurov's party (the Russian musician), oh,

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Sergey Shnurov—maybe people will vote for him,

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and then all sorts of urbanists, or whoever else,

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feminists, men or women,

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and all of this is just planted window dressing.

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It's designed so that one gets five percent,

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this one gets seven percent, that one gets

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two percent, and the United Russia candidate

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gets 15 and wins. Without Smart Voting,

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there is simply no way to win.

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Because no matter what city you live in,

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even in Moscow, most likely you don't

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know any of these candidates at all. There are no debates,

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and it's impossible to sort them out, and

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only Smart Voting allows us

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to consolidate enough votes around the strongest

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candidate so that he

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gets 30–35 percent, and that's it—then

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he will defeat the United Russia candidate. This matters.

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Of course, all of this needs to be explained, because

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well, it's not a very simple concept, and

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those of you who are able, maybe better

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than I am, to explain all this to other people,

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please do explain it, because it is

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very, very important—super important. And as for

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the question of why Sobyanin was afraid that

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the communists—or, more broadly, the opposition, not

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United Russia—would get a majority: it's because

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they've already been exposed all over the place, including our dear

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Shaposhnikov.

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We caught him

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failing to declare a billion rubles and an apartment.

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As we told you, deputy

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Maksim Kruglov, head of the Yabloko faction in

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the Moscow City Duma, wrote a letter

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to the prosecutor's office saying,

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check this guy—he failed to declare

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a billion, and it's all proven, all of it.

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Tax experts wrote that

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Shaposhnikov failed to declare a billion.

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And what is the prosecutor's office saying now?

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In an exclusive shared by Maksim

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Kruglov, they tell us: you know, we

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checked, the Moscow prosecutor's office checked, and no

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violations were found. Everything is perfectly fine,

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everything is entirely legal, and deputy Shaposhnikov

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is completely innocent. Could there have been

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any other answer to that question? Answered by

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the Moscow city prosecutor, about whom you also

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did an investigation—Prosecutor Popov.

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A villa in Spain,

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hotels in Montenegro, a fishing lodge,

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some houses here and there—you know the story.

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Well, if Shaposhnikov needs to be removed from office,

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then Prosecutor Popov ought to be

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put in jail. So that's how they protect each other.

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Shaposhnikov protects him legislatively,

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and he protects Shaposhnikov from the legal side. But

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no matter how much they try to

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cover for each other with paperwork, they still go up to the podium,

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the deputies do, and here is a completely

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fresh recording. It starts with: come out, I'll show

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you... [inaudible]

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Stupin comes out, and they are acting absolutely

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correctly. This is purely political:

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draw up whatever papers you want, but we will come out and

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we will begin every speech by

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asking you to explain, please,

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where you got two billion from, and how you

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got this apartment, how you got that

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apartment. That's absolutely the right approach.

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I'll show you now—well, it had to be

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cut down a bit. Inga gave a better speech, but then

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Stupin comes out and continues the same

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conversation.

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For 1 minute 40 seconds, like normal

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deputies, they just tear into him—and rightly so.

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This is the speaker of the Moscow City Duma,

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Shaposhnikov, a man who still has not

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shown us a declaration proving whether it was legal for him

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to suddenly acquire two billion rubles.

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Where did the money in his account come from?

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There had already been 870 million there before, and

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the most astonishing thing is that this man,

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while being a shareholder,

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such an enterprise was subsequently sold

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and on top of that, received 2 billion rubles

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an apartment from the city, apparently as someone very

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much in need. A very interesting discussion has unfolded

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now following

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the question that Alexei Valeryevich asked me

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about the apartment’s address. Everyone is now

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writing: yes, yes, we want the apartment address too.

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So, journalists from

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Open Media contacted me and gave me the address:

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2 Konstantin Fedin Street. It was registered on

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September 16, 2004; as for the apartment number,

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I thought Alexei knew it perfectly well himself.

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Let’s assume Yekaterina still

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asks you to provide evidence

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that this apartment was given to me by the city.

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That was your statement from the podium, so if

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you made it from the podium, then please

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present evidence that it was specifically

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this apartment at the address on Konstantin

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Fedin Street

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that was given. There was a publication in

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Open Media, on the basis of which my

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colleague Yekaterina Engalycheva is now

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saying that it contained information that

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Shaposhnikov received an apartment in 2004.

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If you, Alexei Valeryevich, disagree with

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this, you can

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accordingly go to court against

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Open Media and refute it.

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Chair, I ask that this be entered into the record.

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It is incorrect to call me to order

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when I am the one being discussed. Thank you, and respected colleagues, within

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the agenda,

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you can see how this really works.

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Imagine: even when they were the majority,

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and even in the minority, they come in and

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quite rightly, on absolutely any agenda item,

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they begin with: show us your declaration,

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show us where your 2 billion rubles came from,

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explain where the apartment came from.

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It’s clear that not many people watch the broadcasts from the Moscow City Duma,

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but

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these videos still spread among those who

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follow this stuff.

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They see it, and whenever any number of

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voters—and voters of any

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political leaning—watch these kinds of

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speeches by deputies, whose side do you think

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their sympathies will be on? On the side of a United Russia member

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with 2 billion rubles, or, by contrast,

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on the side of a person who came to the podium in a T-shirt?

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Well, of course the United Russia candidate

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will get zero votes.

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And they will do absolutely anything not to

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let the opposition through. Right now, we all

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need to watch very carefully

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what is happening. This

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September, we need to work as hard as possible

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as election observers and see whether we can

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in this new situation get at least

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something resembling an election.

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Maybe they’ll let some people through, maybe not.

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Maybe they got a little scared by Khabarovsk (the city known for mass protests in 2020), and

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therefore won’t falsify things too heavily.

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Or maybe, on the contrary, they were so

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frightened by Khabarovsk that they’ll

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let no one through at all.

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But the root issue is the same:

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United Russia cannot honestly win in Komi

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or even come close in Novosibirsk.

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There will be elections in Tomsk, but come on— in Tomsk

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no one is going to vote for United

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Russia. And maybe they got so scared

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that they’ll simply purge everyone.

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If they do,

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by what other means, besides taking to the

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streets, will we be able to defend anything?

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Vitaly Sharov asks me:

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what is the difference between the situation with the shaman

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and the situation with the pseudo-

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hegumen (abbot), and why did one suffer while the other

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continues his speeches with impunity?

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We’ll discuss all of that. I even have

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a video about the hegumen and about the shaman—it’s

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very interesting. Vyacheslav, or maybe Sergey,

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asks me: Alexei, will there be any point in

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trying to persuade everyone to go on the last day of voting

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so that

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the first unnecessary days show zero turnout?

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I’m not sure that will work.

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Let’s first see what rules

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the final rules will be

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adopted for this election campaign

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in September, and then directly decide on

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the tactical steps.

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We’ll determine what will work best, because

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it’s not certain that this approach will work. We don’t

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need to show zero turnout here; we

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just need to come

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and vote, and during the first two days the most important thing for us

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is to monitor all of it.

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So if you want to participate more actively,

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sign up as observers; the link is

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below, under the video.

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There is also a link to the website of all our

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headquarters. Last time, a lot of people asked me

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because I mention regions here,

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say something, and people can’t find their

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regions. So now I’m giving

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a general link; it has addresses and

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information for all our headquarters—that is,

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40 regions where our headquarters operate—and

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so you can get in touch with them,

20:33

find things out, come by, and

20:37

generally connect with others. Because I

20:38

of course understand very well: you sit

20:40

at home alone, watching a program, and think,

20:42

I want to do something, but

20:45

alone it’s unclear, it just feels confusing.

20:47

I was like that myself once.

20:48

I sat there thinking and then thought: I’ll go

20:51

join the Yabloko party (a Russian liberal political party). And then you show up

20:52

alone, sit there like an idiot, afraid of everything.

20:54

People are walking around, doing things, and on your own

20:58

it’s scary. So come to us, and we’ll

21:01

try to unite somehow with you.

21:03

The most important news, the main news of all:

21:06

in the state media this week, how

21:08

do you think—what? Khabarovsk? Not even close.

21:12

Khabarovsk? Nothing of the sort. Belarus? No.

21:15

Definitely not Belarus.

21:17

The main news story, of course, is Vladimir

21:19

Putin and his magic pen. The first time

21:22

everyone was still laughing when, remember, I showed you

21:25

there was that episode when Putin

21:27

during a meeting was saying something or other

21:31

about something, put down his pen, and that was it.

21:34

Newspapers actually came out with headlines about

21:36

how Putin, in a rage, threw down his pen.

21:40

Let’s take 8 seconds to see what

21:43

rage looks like from the point of view of the state

21:44

media. Naturally, when a person

21:48

loses their home or their life

21:50

is in danger, rather than working themselves into

21:55

a rage and throwing a pen. Back then everyone laughed,

21:57

but it has a sequel: Putin and

22:00

the magic pen. This time, in all seriousness,

22:03

a large number of media outlets

22:06

interpreted this whole thing—I mean,

22:09

as if it were some kind of signal, that Putin

22:11

twirled his pen, he twirled it like this.

22:14

Margarita Simonyan

22:15

costs us 20 billion rubles a year

22:18

—this, this pathetic excuse for media. Again, if you

22:21

remember, at one point she sued me

22:25

because I called the RT channel

22:27

pathetic. Well, this pathetic outfit costs

22:30

us 20 billion rubles, and it publishes

22:32

news stories about Putin twirling a pen once.

22:36

And during the Soviet Union, Western

22:40

journalists had a kind of special discipline

22:43

—Kremlinology—and from the way

22:45

people were arranged on the Mausoleum during

22:47

parades, they would interpret all sorts of things

22:49

and make various predictions. We’ve progressed

22:51

compared with that, because now

22:53

what gets interpreted is this very

22:55

nine-second episode, because Putin

22:57

twirled a pen, and apparently that means

22:59

something.

23:00

with the resources you’ve already

23:02

mentioned. Still, I’d like you to

23:06

say a few words specifically about this

23:09

direction.

23:10

You see, yes, he twirled the pen, but I’m not bringing it up for nothing.

23:13

What could it mean? Maybe he’s furious,

23:16

or maybe the opposite—maybe it’s some kind of

23:17

gesture of encouragement, like

23:20

the pen periodically points at

23:22

one of the governors and tells him,

23:23

‘Well done.’ Or maybe he was lost in thought,

23:26

twirling it because he was coming up with

23:28

a third article about World War II, or

23:32

something else. I mean,

23:33

it’s funny, but it shows

23:36

and at the same time it shows the degradation

23:38

of the state media, and the degradation in general

23:39

of politics. But what else are they supposed to discuss? They’re

23:41

forbidden from discussing, basically, everything: about

23:45

Belarus—no; about Khabarovsk—no; about

23:47

the protests—no; about rigged elections—

23:49

no. They can’t talk about anything. So instead they write

23:53

news stories about Putin twirling

23:55

a pen. Robert Petrosyan asks:

23:58

What do you think about the war on the border between Armenia and

23:59

Azerbaijan? Why is Russia staying silent instead of

24:01

intervening? What is the CSTO even for, if not for this?

24:05

Well, I’m not going to comment on it in particular right now

24:07

because I simply don’t

24:09

know the situation very well. But I think

24:12

Russia is staying silent because Russia

24:14

is trying, in this situation, to play both sides

24:16

—to be with both yours and theirs. It’s obvious you can get involved

24:20

in all of this

24:21

and support one side, which of course

24:24

would be extremely disadvantageous for Russia—to take

24:27

someone’s side. So it tries to stay on good terms

24:29

with both. But again, this may be

24:31

somewhat wrong or very naive

24:33

judgment; I’m not ready right now

24:37

to comment on it in detail. Olimpisky

24:39

Deyateli asked: what would you say about

24:40

the protests that took place yesterday in Moscow and in

24:42

St. Petersburg? There were more in St. Petersburg than in Moscow. I

24:44

want to say that the people who

24:47

came out yesterday in Moscow are truly

24:50

great. It was all very good, and I believe

24:53

that people should always take to the streets. But I’ll

24:55

repeat my view, which I know

24:58

many of my colleagues in the

25:00

opposition movement don’t like, including

25:01

people I have a very high opinion of, like

25:03

Andrei Pivovarov and others: protest

25:07

actions need to be prepared. You can’t just

25:09

announce, ‘Oh, let’s gather at 3 p.m.’

25:12

and then do nothing else

25:15

and later say, ‘Oh, they didn’t

25:18

approve the rally, so let’s then

25:20

turn it into a queue.’ That’s not how it

25:22

works. At least, I think

25:24

that’s the wrong way to do it. We announce it,

25:26

and if we’re refused, we say: well, we’re still

25:28

going out anyway, because it’s our right

25:30

to assemble peacefully and without weapons, and in

25:33

any case, if we announce a rally, I

25:36

believe this is how things should work:

25:37

from that day on, everyone gets to work

25:40

inviting people to the rally, making sure

25:43

more of them come. They record clips, they

25:45

record videos, we badger all kinds of

25:48

opinion leaders so that they

25:49

support it. That’s how preparation

25:51

happens. So it’s great that yesterday

25:53

some people came out, but very often the people who

25:58

look at all this, for them it’s more of a

26:00

confirmation

26:01

of a certain weakness in the opposition here, especially

26:04

in Moscow and especially in St. Petersburg.

26:06

A large share of the residents of these cities

26:09

are opposed to the authorities, and yet only

26:12

about 500 people come out in Moscow and 2,000 people

26:16

in St. Petersburg, and for many this looks like

26:18

the opposition isn’t really doing

26:20

its job very well. To keep that from

26:22

happening, actions need to be prepared very thoroughly.

26:25

I don't want to criticize him outright.

26:29

A lot of people, including many of my

26:32

colleagues, have talked about it at great length, because, well, at least they did

26:35

something, and good for them, but still,

26:37

these rallies need to be prepared for; we still

26:40

will have to come out again and again, very often,

26:44

and keep coming out, because apart from

26:46

taking to the streets right now,

26:50

there is no other way to achieve anything real

26:53

and substantial, as we have sometimes

26:55

seen many times over.

26:57

Any positive changes, or at least

27:00

promises of positive changes, are tied only

27:02

to those moments when people pour into

27:04

the streets and the Kremlin gets scared. Nothing else

27:06

frightens them, so this has to be done.

27:08

It will have to be done, it will have to be done

27:10

together, setting aside all sorts of disagreements

27:13

between all of us.

27:14

But it needs to be prepared properly, and I don't like it

27:18

when something is just announced and then

27:20

— excuse me — everyone forgets about it all for two

27:23

weeks, and then again, on the last day,

27:25

someone writes a Facebook post saying, come on,

27:26

bring umbrellas and a good mood,

27:28

come along. That's not how this works.

27:31

Korvin Krestik asks an excellent

27:34

question: I signed up on the website

27:35

to be an election observer. When should someone contact

27:37

me? Here's how it works:

27:39

this is all very tricky and very

27:41

complicated too. You signed up as an observer

27:44

somewhere in Ukhta, Balashikha, or Tambov.

27:49

Then, for you to actually become an observer, we

27:52

have to find a person who is a candidate

27:56

in that district, or at least in that city,

27:58

who will give you the paperwork, because otherwise

28:01

you won't be let in. We're not

28:03

part of the system here; we're all just people.

28:05

We can't issue you an official referral.

28:06

The systemic parties probably — as you've

28:10

no doubt seen many times — will either get cold feet

28:12

and give you nothing, or they'll give it to you and then

28:14

revoke it at the last moment. So, well,

28:16

what can I say — wait, someone will contact you.

28:19

Behind the facade of this whole observer

28:21

recruitment effort, there's just a very

28:24

complicated, very tedious job going on

28:27

to provide everyone with those very

28:29

documents for election observation. Who brought down the USSR?

28:32

What do you think? And here Vyacheslav Volodin

28:36

gave a truly astonishing explanation

28:39

of who brought it down, who is to blame, who is

28:41

responsible for the collapse of the USSR.

28:45

At 1 minute 9 seconds, I just wanted

28:47

to show you this as an example of how brazen

28:53

these crooks are. Let's go to 1 minute 9

28:57

seconds. Volodin: "Here in Russia, politicians

29:01

— and names can be named — who publicly

29:05

spoke of the need to break up

29:08

Russia — they should immediately understand that

29:12

there will be liability.

29:14

Up to 10 years. For American politicians

29:18

who dreamed about our country, there should also

29:21

be liability. If they come

29:25

to our country, they can be

29:28

arrested, and their extradition here can

29:31

be demanded. These are concrete,

29:34

effective measures to protect our

29:36

sovereignty. Therefore, first of all, I would like

29:39

to address representatives

29:40

of the opposition parties. You and I

29:42

have one country.

29:44

Party interests may differ,

29:47

but we already lost one country once. And especially those

29:50

who are now trying to throw stones at

29:53

the Constitution should understand that they

29:55

bear responsibility for the collapse of the country.

29:57

Since you've taken upon yourselves this heavy burden

30:03

of succession from the CPSU (Communist Party of the Soviet Union), there was both

30:06

good and bad there — including the collapse of the country."

30:10

Isn't that lovely? You see, the CPSU — so now the

30:14

Communist Party of the Russian Federation is supposedly its heir, and therefore

30:16

it bears responsibility for the collapse of the country. But

30:17

it turns out that Volodin, Putin, Shoigu, and

30:21

all the rest of them apparently were not in the CPSU at all.

30:24

Apparently they never became party members

30:27

back in 1978, 1976 — so all of

30:32

United Russia, every single one of them,

30:35

every person,

30:36

well, all the people who hold any kind of

30:38

office were members of the CPSU, all of them were in

30:41

their district party committees, the Komsomol (Soviet Communist youth organization), every one of them.

30:43

But now they really sit there as if

30:45

time itself began with Putin and United Russia.

30:49

So these so-called communists, supposedly,

30:51

bear responsibility for the collapse of the country, while

30:53

we, apparently,

30:54

were the ones preserving it. And Putin, apparently, was not

30:57

an aide to Sobchak (Anatoly Sobchak, former mayor of St. Petersburg), who worked in

30:59

the Interregional Deputies Group, and

31:01

none of them were in democratic parties.

31:03

Not in democratic parties, not in Gaidar's camp,

31:05

because there was a party of power under

31:06

Gaidar, and they all ran to the party of power.

31:08

There was Gaidar's group, then Chernomyrdin's party

31:10

of power, Our Home Is Russia.

31:12

They ran there, and now they're in United

31:14

Russia. And now they're just overflowing with this pathos and

31:17

lecturing everyone: we have one country, and you

31:20

are going to destroy it, just as you already destroyed one

31:22

country — that's what CPSU members are telling us.

31:25

People like Volodin, because he was a member

31:28

of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union,

31:31

swore loyalty to it, promised that he would never join

31:35

any other party, that it was the best thing,

31:37

that he would die fighting for the cause

31:41

of the Communist Party — and now all that

31:44

has been forgotten. This is important, very important — remember it.

31:47

It's important to keep reminding these people of it.

31:50

Anatoly Dust asks me:

31:52

Tell us about your visit to Arkhangelsk

31:54

Region, specifically what Severodvinsk was like.

31:56

I'll talk about the trip in general, because we

32:00

went to Vidnoye too, and I'll talk about that.

32:02

We'll have a segment on Severodvinsk.

32:03

It's great. I really like the North in general,

32:08

the North, the northwest of Russia — of course, it's

32:10

Poverty, terrible conditions, roads that are completely wrecked.

32:13

Well, it’s a really great place there, and the people are very

32:15

good. The authorities’ approval ratings there are quite low

32:19

because, well, you spend a day in

32:22

Arkhangelsk and you immediately understand why

32:24

people hate this government, because, well,

32:26

they’ve basically stolen absolutely everything, because these

32:30

regions

32:31

under any normal circumstances should

32:33

be very rich, but they’re very poor

32:35

simply because Putin gradually

32:37

let everything be looted and destroyed. In Severodvinsk,

32:39

we went to look at a submarine.

32:41

You can actually see submarines from the beach,

32:44

you can see them a little bit.

32:45

I swam in the White Sea,

32:48

and it’s very cold there. Even just going to the beach was

32:50

really cold. Plus 14°C isn’t exactly warm,

32:52

not warm at all.

32:54

It’s a great place. Unfortunately, we didn’t

32:57

stay there very long, and I didn’t have

32:58

the chance to meet with people there in any

33:00

significant numbers and talk to them. That’s a shame. But

33:02

I had simply gone there for Yevgeny Makarov’s trial.

33:07

Alexei, who should initiate

33:08

early elections to the Duma? Well, as I understand it,

33:11

right now the discussion is about whether

33:13

the Duma itself or the president should initiate them

33:16

somehow. Well, exactly how they would legally

33:18

cook that up isn’t all that important, but I

33:20

think it’s entirely possible that they may already

33:23

try this winter to push through elections to the

33:27

State Duma.

33:30

An amazing, just absolutely incredible

33:33

story that very few people noticed.

33:37

It happened this week. So, there

33:39

was this judge in the Moscow Arbitration Court,

33:42

a judge named Olga Alexandrova, and if I’m not

33:46

mistaken, I had some

33:47

cases involving her, and I wrote

33:49

some angry posts about her, if I remember correctly.

33:51

In general, there were a lot of

33:53

different conflicts surrounding her, and now, finally,

33:55

now

33:56

she’s been fired. And this Olga Alexandrova

33:59

became best known for the fact that she

34:02

helped seize the company Bashneft.

34:04

It was specifically by her ruling that Bashneft

34:06

was returned to the state, and that

34:08

decision was absolutely unlawful.

34:09

And now this

34:13

judge, Olga Alexandrova, has been fired, fired

34:17

without any punishment at all—just dismissed, which

34:19

is remarkable. She was fired because another judge went to the

34:24

FSB (Russia’s security service) and recorded this Alexandrova

34:27

on a voice recorder, and then handed it all over to the

34:29

Judicial Qualifications Board, and

34:31

it turned out that the following situation had taken place:

34:35

there was some kind of case,

34:38

and Alexandrova was putting pressure on her

34:41

fellow judge, saying that, well, there were

34:44

state interests involved,

34:45

and that she had to issue some kind of ruling in

34:47

favor of that company. And as the other judge herself said,

34:50

this second judge, Lady Agayeva,

34:53

said Alexandrova was trying to get from her

34:55

a favorable ruling on the claim, and at the same time

34:57

on a sheet of paper she wrote down the amount of the

35:00

reward as the number 60. We don’t know whether that was 60

35:04

thousand dollars or 60 million rubles, but

35:07

just think about it. First of all, this perfectly

35:10

shows how things really stand in

35:13

Russia’s supreme—or rather higher—courts.

35:16

Judges there are basically dealing with each other like,

35:19

like traffic cops, you know,

35:21

like, “So, Anatolich, what are we going to do here?”

35:24

“Well, I don’t know, maybe

35:26

let’s work something out,” and then he shows

35:28

something—say, a 5—just

35:31

writing numbers to each other on scraps of paper.

35:34

A “reward” means someone brought that money in,

35:36

and she was offering it to another judge. And she was simply

35:40

fired, do you understand? No criminal case,

35:43

no scandal, no one held her accountable

35:45

for anything. Just fired. You

35:48

get caught, while serving as a judge, effectively

35:52

offering a bribe to another judge, and

35:53

they just fire you. What could be

35:56

a more socially dangerous phenomenon than

35:59

a judge who is bought and corrupt,

36:03

so corrupt that she corrupts other

36:06

judges too, writing the size of the

36:08

reward on slips of paper? There is hardly

36:10

anything more dangerous. Even a serial killer

36:12

is less dangerous than corrupt judges. But even so,

36:15

they just, simply fired her, and that was the end of it.

36:18

So, just out of, you know,

36:21

interest, I’m going to file a complaint and demand that

36:25

these facts here—these very facts that

36:27

have been revealed—weren’t made up by me, and they weren’t

36:29

written by journalists. One judge

36:32

told the Judicial Qualifications Commission

36:35

about another judge. Excuse me, but

36:38

that is a serious crime—open

36:40

a criminal case. I’ll write to them myself and

36:42

see what happens.

36:43

Birsa Toriya writes to me:

36:48

“Can you talk about the second accident at Nor

36:49

Nickel in Krasnoyarsk Krai?” As I understand it,

36:51

what’s happening now is not that there has been a

36:55

second accident at Norilsk Nickel in Krasnoyarsk Krai,

36:58

36:58

but simply that the press is paying attention, and this is

37:02

an endless disaster that keeps happening at

37:05

Norilsk Nickel. It’s just that journalists have now started

37:07

writing about it, because every

37:09

week there’s some huge spill

37:12

of oil, diesel—well, not oil, diesel fuel,

37:15

some chemicals, and so on, because

37:17

the whole of Norilsk Nickel is basically one giant rusty

37:21

plant. When it was privatized, it

37:24

was a modern, excellent enterprise. It

37:25

brought in tens of billions of dollars

37:28

for Potanin, Prokhorov, and all the other

37:30

officials. It made everyone fantastically rich.

37:33

Yachts were bought, planes were bought, but not

37:35

a kopeck was invested back into it, so now it’s just

37:37

an endless expanse of rust, and people...

37:40

who are walking around filming us right now

37:41

they flooded us with videos, and that’s basically it somehow

37:45

everything is leaking and falling apart, and this isn’t the first time

37:47

look at what Norilsk

37:50

Nickel and the oligarch Potanin have brought things to

37:52

and I’ll repeat what I already said: I

37:54

believe that he, and Prokhorov as well, who

37:58

has already exited Norilsk Nickel

38:00

but nevertheless, they did this together

38:01

all of them should be stripped of their fortunes

38:05

for many, many years they made a great deal

38:08

of money; let them pay that

38:11

huge amount of money, or a significant part

38:13

of it, in order to

38:15

restore the surrounding environment and

38:18

rebuild this plant. Only in this way

38:20

can anything be done, but unfortunately as long as

38:21

Putin is in power, this won’t happen, because you

38:24

just send one truckload of money

38:26

to the Kremlin and that’s it — you buy, I don’t know,

38:30

new planes for Alina Kabaeva or Svetlana Medvedeva

38:32

and that’s how you solve your little problems

38:34

That’s exactly how it all works, that’s how everything

38:37

works.

38:40

Alexei, after swimming in the White Sea,

38:42

you prompted the authorities to focus on survival

38:44

in the Arctic — the so-called Arctic Hectare, a new

38:46

vision of Putin’s Russia. There really

38:48

is such a program, the Arctic Hectare

38:50

Before that there was the Far Eastern Hectare

38:53

program, which, it seems to me, was very

38:55

well conceived, but overall it did not

38:58

work very successfully.

39:00

Simply because of corruption. The idea is that

39:02

you can apply no matter where you

39:05

live — at first it was for residents of the Far East,

39:06

and then for all residents of Russia — and receive

39:08

a hectare of land there, in Ussuriysk

39:11

and now, presumably, it will be possible to get

39:13

a hectare of land in the Arctic, in Arkhangelsk

39:17

Region

39:18

or somewhere in the Komi Republic, something of that sort.

39:20

But it doesn’t work very well because

39:23

there are too many restrictions there, and you’re supposed to

39:25

receive it, and then after five years you’ll be able

39:28

to sell it. Why? Let people sell it right away.

39:30

One thing we certainly do have is plenty of land.

39:33

It needs to be brought into use, so it seems to me

39:35

that this program is the right idea, but it

39:37

needs to be implemented much more boldly,

39:39

of course, and all this enormous

39:42

amount of land should simply be given away

39:44

so that people use it in some way at least,

39:45

because nobody lives there, there are no

39:48

people there except for some

39:51

tiny pockets in the form of towns.

39:54

So this land simply needs to be brought

39:56

into use. Father Sergiy recorded

40:00

a video address. He’s a rather

40:04

aggressive priest — as you can see,

40:06

gray-haired, with a full beard, but

40:08

as I understand it, he’s actually a relatively young

40:10

man, and you’ve probably seen before

40:13

some of his statements, quite

40:15

aggressive and right-wing in tone, which he

40:18

made earlier. But now he has truly drawn

40:21

widespread attention to himself because

40:22

he was defrocked, and together with

40:26

some Cossacks (members of a traditional paramilitary social group) and a group of women, he seized

40:29

a convent, and they are holding

40:33

their ground there and, basically, attracting

40:36

media attention to themselves.

40:37

And in particular, this week he released

40:39

a rather absurd but striking

40:41

statement in which all sorts of things were mixed together:

40:45

some completely

40:46

antisemitic nonsense and attacks on

40:50

Putin and everything else under the sun. But this is very important.

40:53

This is not an entertainment video. Let’s

40:55

watch it — you can laugh at some of

40:58

it, of course,

40:59

but it is actually important in order

41:02

to capture

41:05

a very important phenomenon and, in fact, the consequences

41:08

of Putin’s policy of cultivating

41:12

such right-wing radicals. One minute and 45

41:15

seconds of Father Sergiy, who has weighed

41:18

Putin, found him wanting, and now demands

41:20

that Putin hand power over to him, in the name of the Father and

41:24

of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and

41:26

Dear fathers, brothers, and sisters, by the prayers of

41:30

the foremost apostles Peter and Paul,

41:34

I declare and propose to you, at the international

41:39

level,

41:40

that the President of Russia, Vladimir

41:42

Vladimirovich Putin, transfer his powers

41:47

to me, Schema-Hegumen Sergiy. In three days I will restore

41:51

order in Russia. You were given 20 years

41:56

to show who rules Russia. You, Mr.

41:59

President Vladimir Vladimir

42:02

and Patriarch Kirill Gundyayev

42:05

— all of you are hidden enemies of Russia. You have placed your flesh

42:08

above eternal life.

42:13

Lay down your powers, otherwise

42:15

you have been weighed and found wanting, and your days

42:19

are numbered. I await your repentance, together with

42:22

Patriarch Kirill Gundyayev, before me.

42:26

Tens of thousands come to me —

42:28

pensioners,

42:29

your fathers and mothers, whose pensions are five

42:34

times smaller than abroad and in the near abroad

42:38

— in Lithuania and Latvia

42:40

there pensions are up to 80,000 rubles (about the equivalent value in local currency),

42:43

and in Switzerland up to 200,000 rubles (about the equivalent value in local currency),

42:47

in countries that do not have as much wealth as

42:50

Russia.

42:52

People can barely make ends meet, and yet

42:55

Khabarovsk is prospering — that is your first

43:00

swallow (a first sign of things to come).

43:01

The swallows are already living all across Russia and

43:05

are even flying over the Kremlin.

43:09

I really liked this, this

43:12

particular phrase,

43:13

this cold turn of phrase: “weighed and found

43:17

wanting,” and the bit about the swallows in Khabarovsk. Why

43:20

is this important? Because Putin simply

43:23

has consistently pursued a policy of

43:27

strengthening right-wing radicals, and this was

43:30

His key idea was that there are certain

43:32

liberals running around

43:35

the streets of Moscow, and then there is the worker from Uralvagonzavod (a major Russian tank and railcar manufacturer)

43:38

who recorded videos saying, basically, “We’ll come ourselves,”

43:40

“and beat up the Muscovites,” and there were also some

43:44

priests who said, “Now we’re going to

43:46

deal with all those people over there dancing around,”

43:48

“we’ll crush them, in three days

43:51

we’ll restore order.” This was strengthening the right-wing

43:53

regime, and Putin really liked it, and he

43:55

would exclaim, “Oh, this is great,” and he gave them

43:58

airtime; he supported them in every possible way

44:00

because for some reason he thought that

44:02

these right-wing radicals, they, they

44:05

would always be fake. And I’m not even talking about

44:08

actual radicals here, but people

44:10

with right-wing views. But that Father Sergiy (a Russian Orthodox cleric), well,

44:12

he’s a typical person with right-

44:14

conservative views. There are plenty of people like that in

44:17

Russia, and there are plenty in America too—probably even more

44:19

than in Russia.

44:20

It seemed to Putin that this was very

44:24

useful: they would always be his toy, and

44:26

that this generalized “Father Sergiy” would always

44:29

be someone Putin could

44:31

put on display, and Father Sergiy would say,

44:33

“Yes, we’ll disperse all these people here, whether in

44:35

Khabarovsk or in Moscow. We’re for, for

44:39

Putin, for the Patriarch, for Shoigu, for Alina

44:43

Kabaeva, for the palaces, for Norilsk Nickel,”

44:46

but it turned out that no, they are not at all

44:50

necessarily fake right-wing

44:53

radicals. For years, they—and everyone else—were

44:57

told: “Guys, read the Bible, live according to

45:00

the Bible. Guys, read the Quran,” likewise

45:03

—and by the way, much more so in Dagestan (a republic in Russia’s North Caucasus),

45:06

for example—“Guys, read the Quran and live

45:08

according to the Quran.”

45:09

So a few years passed, and now

45:11

a huge number of people have appeared

45:13

who have raised their heads and said,

45:15

“We read the Quran and the Bible, and here

45:18

it says that people like you ought

45:20

to be thrown the hell out of the Kremlin altogether,”

45:22

“because here, in our holy

45:25

texts, it says that you are scoundrels, that

45:28

you are thieves,”

45:29

“that you are hypocrites, and the people of Khabarovsk

45:32

are right, and it says here that the poor

45:34

must be helped, and we don’t need your oligarchs.”

45:37

It’s just that Putin, since he himself is

45:40

of course an unbeliever, like the entire leadership

45:42

of the Russian Orthodox Church—they are unbelievers, absolutely

45:45

cynical people—it seemed to them that, since they had

45:49

this false patriotism and false

45:51

piety,

45:52

everyone else would have the same thing;

45:54

they would pretend that they

45:58

read the Bible and the Quran, but in reality they

46:00

would just be chasing money. But no—of course

46:03

some number of people

46:05

really did believe, or really did adopt

46:08

extremely reactionary positions, and now

46:10

even a reactionary—of course, I

46:13

understand that Father Sergiy, conditionally or literally,

46:16

doesn’t particularly

46:18

like, or doesn’t like at all,

46:19

Moscow liberals, and doesn’t like

46:21

certain

46:21

opposition figures like me—but even his

46:25

far-right position is absolutely

46:29

against Putin. They are all against them. And this

46:32

cultivated segment that they had nurtured,

46:36

that they had simply supported—like some kind of

46:38

“Surgeon,” remember him, that biker nicknamed Surgeon (Alexander Zaldostanov, leader of the pro-Kremlin Night Wolves), well,

46:40

he’s just some biker, not a real one,

46:43

a fake, a toy, living off

46:46

Putin’s payroll. But if you support people like that,

46:49

then sooner or later

46:51

the real ones will begin to rise up, and

46:54

the genuine ones will come out and say, “Well, so what

46:56

have you all been mumbling about so weakly?

46:59

You keep muttering something about

47:02

the need to restore order, so we

47:03

will come right now and restore order in three

47:06

days.” And for them, “restoring order”

47:09

means the following:

47:09

it consists of taking machine guns and

47:11

shooting everyone to hell right now, all of them.

47:13

And not just the

47:16

opposition figures,

47:17

but you too—all that Kremlin [__], we’ll

47:19

shoot you all, and the people of Khabarovsk are our

47:20

friends. This is the first swallow (a Russian idiom meaning the first sign of a coming change), a swallow

47:23

flying over the Kremlin. This is actually a very

47:25

important political process that

47:27

shows that Putin’s false position,

47:30

his hypocrisy, is finding less and less

47:33

support beneath it.

47:34

I mean, you can’t yet say, of course,

47:37

that the ground is slipping from under their feet, but

47:40

there is less and less of that ground,

47:42

and already even among the

47:44

radical right wing, among these kinds of

47:46

stern conservative men, you can no longer rely on them. And

47:49

look at how the army voted in the

47:53

last election.

47:54

If you look at the voting in closed

47:59

military towns, you will see that

48:01

the military voted for the constitutional amendments

48:04

less than anyone else—worse than ordinary

48:08

people, even in the Moscow region.

48:10

Take that same region: there are two places where support

48:12

for those amendments was at its

48:15

lowest.

48:15

One is Pushchino, a science town; obviously, there are

48:19

very smart people there, and they voted against them.

48:20

And the other is Krasnoznamensk, a closed military

48:23

town where my parents live, where

48:25

only military families live. These military people have had enough—right up to here,

48:28

you understand? Just like the workers at Uralvagonzavod.

48:31

They’ve had enough, just like Father Sergiy and all

48:34

the other people with conservative views.

48:37

They’ve had enough of Putin—right up to here. They can no longer

48:40

stand him, they don’t want to anymore. And that is why they are now already

48:42

speaking out against him directly. This is

48:45

actually very interesting, what

48:47

is happening, and it shows precisely that

48:50

Well, you simply can't sincerely

48:54

how to put it correctly, the sincere

48:56

passion, the sincere faith of people, you can't

49:00

always control it. Go and look

49:03

at the same Instagram pages and

49:05

public groups in Dagestan, where very

49:09

conservative people really do

49:10

hang out—right-wing conservatives there absolutely tear into

49:14

Putin in a way that no

49:16

liberal could even dream of, because

49:19

if you're a person with conservative, right-wing

49:23

views and you live according to Islam, then you

49:26

ought to hate this government with every

49:28

fiber of your being—and they do, of course.

49:31

And Putin and the new leadership of the ROC (Russian Orthodox Church) want

49:33

to cultivate an absolutely

49:35

loyal, bootlicking church, or

49:40

bootlicking so-called conservatives, one

49:43

of whose symbols became a completely

49:45

astonishing priest from Belarus, where

49:49

exactly the same process is underway. And the video

49:51

was shared widely by many people. It really

49:53

made a big impression on me at first.

49:55

At first glance, here's a priest, supposedly trying to sort things out,

49:57

after all—a Russian man in a cassock,

50:02

a person who is presumed to be

50:05

a believer and therefore ought to speak on

50:07

the side

50:08

of his faith, on the side of his

50:11

parishioners—and instead he is simply leading

50:14

Christianity into the police van, literally

50:18

explaining that, from the point of view of faith,

50:21

the Bible, and Christ, a police van is a great

50:25

thing. Let's listen to 1 minute and 50

50:27

seconds. And now let's think

50:29

about how humble and meek we are in our

50:33

lives. Right now elections are coming up, and

50:36

many people come to me in horror

50:40

telling me that police vans are out on the streets,

50:45

snatching up people who want to express

50:48

their position, and throwing them in prison. They ask:

50:54

what, then, does Holy

50:57

Scripture say about police vans?

51:04

The Epistle to the Romans says:

51:11

the authority is God's servant

51:14

for your good. But if you do wrong,

51:17

then be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. The sword—

51:22

that means all those measures that are taken

51:24

in order to stop the lawless person. He,

51:28

that is, the representative of authority, is a servant

51:31

of God. Why are we surprised?

51:34

Wasn't it Christ who appointed him

51:38

as an instrument of His wrath against the one who does evil?

51:43

Or, in my translation: they are servants

51:46

of God and act for your good, but if you

51:49

do evil, then be afraid. So who

51:52

should fear the police van? The one who does

51:54

evil.

51:56

As for me, thank God,

51:58

I haven't ended up in a police van in the last 40 years,

52:01

well, I haven't managed to turn words into deeds

52:04

in such a way that

52:07

I would interfere with society's life. But there are

52:10

people who don't understand their own

52:13

behavior, and for them there are

52:15

such measures. What's so surprising about that?

52:19

There you have it: an ultra-servile lackey in a cassock comes out and

52:22

says that Jesus Christ is in favor of the police van. There are

52:25

many like that, of course, many in the ROC, but not all

52:27

can be like that, and these people hold

52:30

rather exotic and very often

52:33

completely unacceptable views.

52:35

But nevertheless, this shows that on the

52:39

right, things have completely ceased to be what they once were.

52:42

By the way, here's a question I get asked:

52:43

"Gamarjoba (Georgian for 'hello'), tell us about the criminal

52:45

prosecution of Spartak fans for

52:46

seeing off the team and blocking an empty

52:48

road a few years ago." All these

52:53

football clubs and fan firms also

52:56

used to be a stronghold of support for the authorities; fans were very often

53:00

hired to attack the opposition and so

53:02

on. Now they are genuinely among the most persecuted

53:07

groups in society, considering the very real

53:11

police repression. No opposition

53:13

activists experience the kind of

53:15

pressure that fans do—

53:17

Spartak fans and fans of many other teams. People are genuinely

53:19

being beaten; it's just total lawlessness, and

53:21

no one stands up for them, simply

53:23

no one. A few years ago, I no longer

53:25

remember whether it was Volgograd, there was a video

53:27

showing them being beaten with electric shock devices

53:30

just for walking along, and they were simply

53:32

being attacked by riot police. I filed a complaint

53:35

and demanded that at least that one incident be investigated. I am

53:37

quite far removed from all of this, and

53:39

that's why I suddenly discovered that I was, like,

53:41

the only person standing up

53:44

for them, for all of them. And even now, very few

53:46

people speak up or even know about it. But

53:49

football fans are simply being crushed,

53:52

jailed; they have no rights there.

53:55

Apartments are broken into, searches are carried out, and

53:59

well, that is also a fairly

54:01

conservative part of the population. These are also

54:03

people who are most often right-leaning, people with right-wing

54:06

views. The authorities hate them and fear them even

54:09

more—just as they fear Father Sergius.

54:12

I was asked about this earlier; the question was

54:14

how the case of the shaman differs from the case

54:16

of Father Sergius. The difference is that

54:21

there is one shaman, and there are rather few shamans in Russia,

54:25

whereas priests with views like this

54:27

Sergius are quite numerous, because they have been

54:30

cultivated in recent years. That is,

54:32

of course they will now try to

54:33

discredit him, imprison him, imprison the people

54:36

around him if necessary, and then

54:37

what happens next—no one knows how many such people will harbor

54:40

resentment, how many people will stand up for him.

54:42

No one understands this at all, and

54:45

here the authorities will have to crack down on

54:49

and jail people whom they have always

54:50

supported absolutely, directly.

54:53

Back then, their cannibalistic views

54:56

didn't bother the authorities at all—on the contrary,

54:58

it seemed great when they said that

55:00

Let's, like, go after those Pussy Riot people there.

55:02

Let's shoot them and torture them too, and...

55:04

When they... let's...

55:06

Let's shoot them, torture them, and while we're at it...

55:10

Maybe we should shoot everyone in the Kremlin too...

55:13

Hang them and torture them right away.

55:15

stopped liking it.

55:17

Lev... Voloshin, Voloshin is asking.

55:21

Alexei will tell us what happened at the hearing.

55:22

As for Ruslan's case... yesterday I...

55:24

got back from Arkhangelsk in the evening, and

55:28

the trip was successful in the sense that

55:30

for the first time in seven years, we finally managed

55:33

to see Ruslan—someone other than

55:36

the military was able, for the first time in four months,

55:41

to speak with him, exchange some

55:43

messages, and generally find out what was happening to him,

55:46

because

55:47

before that, we truly had no idea at all

55:49

where the guy was. I mean, we knew that he had been

55:50

taken away somewhere, and that he was serving somewhere

55:53

near a nuclear test site, and that he was located

55:56

in a place with absolutely no communications at all. That is,

55:57

even if he had a mobile

55:59

phone, it wouldn't work there.

56:01

There are no towns nearby, and getting there

56:03

is impossible by any means of transport except

56:06

a military helicopter—there's nothing else. But

56:08

for several months, we methodically

56:12

filed motions in court demanding that he be

56:14

brought in, and finally it happened. We

56:18

saw him and at least learned how

56:20

he is living. Ruslan is keeping his spirits up.

56:24

There's a four-minute video where I did a kind of

56:27

short interview on the

56:29

Navalny LIVE channel—you can watch it.

56:31

Let me show you 23 seconds of it.

56:33

The general idea is that

56:35

Ruslan, despite everything, talks about it rather

56:37

cheerfully, but in fact it's all quite

56:40

sad. Here's a minute and a half of the video.

56:42

This is where I live. Now please explain:

56:45

I heard you're living in a barrel—is that literally true?

56:47

A real, physical barrel?

56:50

Are there beds in it? Say that again—a barrel?

56:53

Like Diogenes lived in? What does it look like?

56:55

And your barrel—is it really just a barrel?

56:58

A literal barrel. There's nothing there.

57:00

It's like a huge tank—like an old fuel or kvass container.

57:02

Well, it's a very large barrel that used to hold

57:03

kvass, basically. I also

57:06

showed a couple of other guys' places too.

57:08

to me.

57:08

And around it—around the barrel—what is there?

57:10

Nothing at all.

57:12

The sea, mountains, and that's it—no real facilities.

57:15

There are some structures, and helicopters come in, but not much else.

57:17

Where do you get... where do you get

57:19

water? We go about two

57:22

kilometers (1.2 miles) for it.

57:22

Every three days.

57:25

We have a large container here,

57:27

and we go with buckets to fill it up.

57:29

That's our drinking water.

57:30

What's the nearest populated place?

57:31

About 270 kilometers (168 miles) away.

57:38

There are polar bears there too. They said they often have to

57:44

keep watch around this

57:46

barrel.

57:47

Recently, one of them started

57:49

hanging around there all the time—apparently because of fish.

57:50

There was fish there, and it came for

57:53

it.

57:53

Where do you get food? Once a month,

57:55

they drop it off to us from above—basically

57:59

without landing.

58:01

They send canned food, flour, sacks of things, and all that.

58:05

That sort of thing.

58:07

If you start googling nuclear

58:11

tests on Novaya Zemlya (a Russian Arctic archipelago), you'll

58:12

definitely come across this well-known fact:

58:14

that this is where they tested the so-called

58:15

Tsar Bomba—the largest

58:19

bomb ever detonated by

58:21

humanity—something like 58 or

58:23

100 megatons. And this is the very test site where that Tsar

58:27

Bomba was tested.

58:29

bomb.

58:29

If you want to know where Ruslan is living,

58:32

the bank employee who was abducted

58:34

and has now simply been isolated,

58:35

it's right there—not on the test site itself, but

58:39

at the nearest point to that nuclear site.

58:42

I think it's literally about 50

58:43

kilometers (31 miles) away.

58:44

It's right next to him, and we can't even

58:48

get a clear answer or understand what

58:50

the radiation level is there, because the answer is always:

58:53

"You know, the radiation level there

58:55

is

58:55

lower than in Moscow." But who measured it?

58:59

Who took those measurements?

59:00

Could they at least give him a dosimeter so he could check?

59:02

No—nothing is allowed, absolutely nothing.

59:05

And in that sense, of course, this is

59:07

a lawless situation,

59:09

orchestrated, of course, by the leadership

59:12

of the Ministry of Defense.

59:13

He was transferred to this site because he was

59:15

appointed diesel operator at a radio post.

59:19

To appoint some ordinary private as a diesel operator there—

59:20

well, clearly that would normally be decided at most by

59:24

the unit commander.

59:26

But he was assigned there by personal order

59:28

of the deputy army commander,

59:31

Major General Tseluy, who is stationed

59:34

2,000 kilometers (1,243 miles) away from that place,

59:37

at headquarters. He

59:40

personally appoints Ruslan as a diesel operator there.

59:42

It's clearly a refined form of abuse.

59:46

It's cold in that barrel, there's condensation inside, and

59:50

water is constantly dripping onto your head.

59:53

It's endless. I separately asked him

59:55

to record a bit about this part specifically,

59:58

because it's not in the video you've already seen—so that he could

1:00:00

explain about the water, because I was struck by that.

1:00:03

At the hearing, the judge said, "You know,

1:00:05

well, first of all, guys, of course he..."

1:00:10

soldier

1:00:11

But there are only five soldiers and officers living there in total.

1:00:13

Just five people: three soldiers and two officers.

1:00:16

They are supposed to be guaranteed basic civilian

1:00:18

rights, and that includes

1:00:20

access to drinking water, among other things.

1:00:22

When your servicemen—officers and

1:00:25

soldiers—are drinking melted snow or hauling water

1:00:28

from a river, that is not how

1:00:32

the Russian army is supposed to function. Let’s

1:00:33

watch a minute and a half where Ruslan

1:00:36

explains specifically how they have to

1:00:37

get water. Please, tell us—how is it there?

1:00:40

There’s no drinking water there, so now, in the

1:00:43

warmer season, relatively speaking, we walk two

1:00:45

kilometers to the local river and fill up

1:00:47

three one-liter canteens and carry them back.

1:00:50

We bring them back to our shelter, and that lasts us about three

1:00:53

days. —Where to? —To the stash, the shelter.

1:00:54

There’s a big, big barrel there where we all

1:00:56

store it.

1:00:57

It holds 200 liters, but at one time we can

1:00:59

fill about 150 liters. We don’t drink that water;

1:01:02

we use it to wash ourselves and cook with it.

1:01:04

That is, it’s our only source

1:01:05

of water. And in winter, when I arrived there,

1:01:09

there was a lot of snow.

1:01:10

In case anyone doesn’t know, everything there is like that,

1:01:14

because the river is frozen, so you have to gather

1:01:16

and cut out chunks of snow for yourself.

1:01:18

You carry them to the barrel and melt them down until

1:01:20

enough builds up—basically, that’s your water for

1:01:24

washing, brushing your teeth, and cooking. We

1:01:26

cook using melted snow.

1:01:27

Of course, the first time I saw that, I thought: no way, that can’t be real.

1:01:29

But then—what else can you do?

1:01:32

There’s no water. That’s how it was in the summer, and

1:01:34

now we go to the river and collect water

1:01:37

there. Right now it’s about a kilometer away.

1:01:39

You haul 50 liters somehow, barely managing.

1:01:42

It’s just—I don’t know how to explain it to someone in a city.

1:01:45

Walking 2 kilometers with water—you see, I’m walking

1:01:47

thinking I’ll never drink water carelessly again,

1:01:49

so that it never runs out. But there

1:01:51

you have to—it sounds like something out of a survival movie.

1:01:54

Like DiCaprio in *The Revenant*—he was just surviving out there.

1:01:56

Honestly, it really is survival.

1:01:57

Because if you remember that scene—

1:01:59

he’s crawling through the snow,

1:02:01

he fought off a bear—but that’s nothing compared to

1:02:03

dragging the last chunks of snow when you’re exhausted.

1:02:07

It may sound wild, but it’s really hard there.

1:02:09

Right now we go as far as a kilometer for water.

1:02:13

As you can see, he’s clearly not losing his spirit.

1:02:16

He hasn’t lost it, and he tells it all

1:02:18

almost humorously—but this is real,

1:02:19

these are torture conditions, simply torture

1:02:22

conditions. On top of that, the person is being directly

1:02:26

threatened: if you do not withdraw

1:02:28

your lawsuits, things will get worse for you. He is being tortured

1:02:31

through sleep deprivation. He is assigned to duties

1:02:33

where he has to stand there for two days

1:02:34

in a row, which is directly prohibited, but they

1:02:37

do it like this: you stand there and are left for a full day,

1:02:39

and then after 23 hours they say, all right,

1:02:43

go sleep.

1:02:43

You sleep for two hours, then they wake you up again

1:02:45

and tell you to go back on duty for another 24 hours.

1:02:47

This is outright torture by

1:02:50

sleep deprivation. I also asked the judge that all of this

1:02:52

be formally recorded. They issued

1:02:56

a special ruling. Of course, we are not going to

1:02:58

just let all this go, because

1:03:00

this is abuse of our people

1:03:01

and, incidentally, of other servicemen

1:03:04

who are there absolutely without

1:03:06

any rights. And besides,

1:03:07

you know, talking about some kind of great

1:03:09

army and

1:03:13

our wonderful officers when, when

1:03:16

they are drinking melted snow is simply

1:03:18

absurd. Meanwhile, Shoigu (former Russian defense minister) is doing just fine—he

1:03:22

is a billionaire, his relatives are billionaires,

1:03:24

all the deputy defense ministers there are

1:03:25

among the richest people—billions are being

1:03:29

spent on that cathedral they built

1:03:31

in the Moscow region,

1:03:32

while somewhere on Novaya Zemlya (Russian Arctic archipelago), someone is hauling on his

1:03:35

back, uphill, concrete

1:03:37

and 50 liters of water because they simply

1:03:39

have nothing else to drink. So, anyway,

1:03:42

write letters.

1:03:44

Write to Videnny and to Artyom Ivanov, who was

1:03:46

also abducted in exactly the same way. We are now

1:03:48

talking about the secretary of the Doctors’ Alliance (a Russian labor union/activist group), who was taken to Chukotka,

1:03:53

and about Konovalov, who is also

1:03:54

somewhere in a training unit in Arkhangelsk.

1:03:56

Then they distribute them farther out. This is also a very obvious

1:03:59

and, by the way, one hundred percent

1:04:01

copy of the system from Belarus, in which

1:04:06

opposition activists

1:04:07

under 27 are simply abducted

1:04:10

and taken away somewhere. And that’s exactly what happened with Konovalov

1:04:12

and, as you can see in the photos, both of them were taken

1:04:14

somewhere far to the north, just like that.

1:04:16

They take you away, and when you show them your documents,

1:04:18

your papers—whether you are fit or unfit—nobody

1:04:22

cares at all. Ivanov has had

1:04:24

asthma since first grade, and he shouldn’t have been there at all.

1:04:26

He should not have been in Chukotka, and when

1:04:28

they were taking him there, he said: Guys, I have

1:04:30

all the documents, I’m unfit, I have asthma.

1:04:33

They said: Look, headquarters says here that you’re fit. Goodbye,

1:04:35

you’re flying to Chukotka. That’s how

1:04:38

the whole system works. And to wrap up, to wrap up,

1:04:42

about this Arkhangelsk tour of mine—there was an amusing

1:04:45

situation that perfectly shows

1:04:48

what the United Russia party is, and why

1:04:49

it needs to be fought. There, in one district, there was

1:04:51

some kind of mini-

1:04:53

scandal unfolding because

1:04:55

a City Duma deputy, Valentina

1:04:57

Surova, from United Russia, and as a result of some kind of

1:04:59

apparently internal

1:05:00

conflict within United Russia,

1:05:02

someone filed a lawsuit over whether

1:05:04

she could even legally be a deputy at all, and

1:05:06

whether she actually has a higher-education diploma.

1:05:08

the education credentials need to be checked, and during

1:05:10

the court hearing it emerged that this

1:05:13

person did not even have a complete secondary school

1:05:15

education. You know, it’s like in *Heart of a Dog*

1:05:18

(*Heart of a Dog*, a famous satirical novella by Mikhail Bulgakov).

1:05:18

Excuse me, but when did he ever serve in

1:05:20

sanitation? The person was the leader of the city branch

1:05:23

of United Russia with a fake higher-education diploma

1:05:26

and without any

1:05:28

evidence that she had even simply finished school.

1:05:29

And yet, you know what kind of annual declaration she has?

1:05:32

What an annual declaration.

1:05:34

80 million rubles in property (about US$1.1 million) and a house

1:05:38

in Cyprus. That’s how United Russia works.

1:05:41

You don’t need anything at all there. You can be

1:05:44

the dumbest person in the world

1:05:46

and not even have a school

1:05:48

education, but if you join this wonderful

1:05:51

party, you’ll get a job and you’ll have a house in

1:05:53

Cyprus and 80 million rubles (about US$1.1 million) in

1:05:55

family income. That, of course,

1:05:58

makes an impression. They kicked her out for now,

1:06:00

and we’ll see how the situation develops from here.

1:06:02

76,000 people are watching the Smart

1:06:03

live stream. Ask your questions about

1:06:05

Belarus—you’ve absolutely flooded me

1:06:10

with questions, of course, about what’s

1:06:12

happening there. What’s happening there, guys, is our

1:06:15

future. Look at what’s happening there

1:06:18

and understand:

1:06:19

we all need to understand that this exact same thing

1:06:22

will happen in Russia

1:06:23

if we do not, if we do not

1:06:26

go out into the streets, if we stay silent.

1:06:28

Because there too, things were pushed to this point. After all,

1:06:32

people tried to come out, and they were dispersed.

1:06:34

It’s frightening, you don’t want to go out again, and

1:06:37

it’s dangerous. But the only alternative is that

1:06:41

everything will just keep getting worse and worse and worse.

1:06:44

And when we see

1:06:47

well, what is happening right now

1:06:48

in Minsk—like that police officer who

1:06:51

runs out and starts, I don’t know, beating

1:06:54

people—it really looks like some kind of

1:06:55

fascist operation already.

1:06:57

They’re simply beating people there. Let’s watch 16

1:06:59

seconds of what was happening on the streets of

1:07:01

Minsk.

1:07:03

[music]

1:07:05

[applause]

1:07:19

At this point, they’re not even really detaining people there anymore—

1:07:22

they jump out of the vehicle first and

1:07:24

simply beat people.

1:07:26

Why are they beating people? Because

1:07:28

there is a political crisis. Lukashenko and Putin

1:07:30

run into a political crisis, and

1:07:32

the only response to that political

1:07:33

crisis is what? To beat people. Because

1:07:35

this kind of operation can be based

1:07:38

exclusively on fear—on taking

1:07:40

a relatively small number of

1:07:42

police officers and having them beat a relatively

1:07:45

small, still limited number of people, but

1:07:48

to intimidate and terrorize a very

1:07:50

large number of people. So that is why

1:07:53

power in all

1:07:56

authoritarian countries—Russia,

1:07:57

Belarus, anywhere—rests only on that. Well, of course.

1:08:00

I very much want

1:08:02

to emphasize first and foremost: they are trying to frighten people.

1:08:03

And of course there are these truly outstanding

1:08:07

examples—Stas Mikhailov, the Russian singer. But my God,

1:08:10

it was disgusting to watch. He

1:08:14

came to Minsk and has now, obviously,

1:08:16

been paid for publicly

1:08:18

supporting Alexander Lukashenko. Let’s

1:08:21

watch 38 seconds of how this [__]

1:08:25

literally runs off the stage to hug him and

1:08:29

earn his pathetic dollars. 38

1:08:32

seconds of shameful Stas Mikhailov.

1:08:34

Good evening, Alexei. Unwelcoming

1:08:38

Belarus—but I also must

1:08:40

say, may I come over to you?

1:08:42

Greetings, good evening to all of you.

1:08:46

Thank you for inviting me, thank you that we have such

1:08:48

celebrations. Don’t forget

1:08:51

Russian artists. You create such

1:08:53

beauty. Thank you, health and blessings to you.

1:08:59

Thank you, thank you for such celebrations

1:09:02

that bring three countries together

1:09:03

here, and people sing. Thank you.

1:09:06

Let’s celebrate this event today.

1:09:08

I’ll set the example—let’s sing together.

1:09:11

The rain is no obstacle, let’s try.

1:09:15

So, in other words, absolutely vile

1:09:19

toadying—which, as we can see, by the way,

1:09:20

is no longer especially effective. There he is,

1:09:23

Mikhailov, coming out in his little yellow suit,

1:09:26

saying, “Let’s hug, thank you,” but we

1:09:28

can see there is no particular support

1:09:29

left anymore. It’s all utterly disgusting, so

1:09:33

what gets used is

1:09:34

the only possible mechanism, namely:

1:09:36

not allowing people onto the ballot. And Viktor

1:09:40

Babariko, who is, well, judging by

1:09:42

some polls, the leader of the race—there

1:09:44

was a lot of intrigue over whether he

1:09:47

would be registered. In the end, no—he was removed.

1:09:49

They stated that he was being removed, that he was

1:09:51

removed not only because

1:09:53

he had foreign financing, but also because

1:09:55

he is allegedly the head of an

1:09:57

organized criminal group. Let’s

1:10:00

watch one minute.

1:10:01

Babariko directly created

1:10:03

and led the activities of an organized

1:10:06

criminal group made up of former and

1:10:08

current executives of

1:10:11

Belgazprombank.

1:10:12

Its members registered, in

1:10:14

the offshore jurisdiction of the British

1:10:16

Virgin Islands, with accounts in banks in

1:10:20

Cyprus as well as other countries, a network

1:10:23

of controlled so-called shell

1:10:25

companies. In addition to the above,

1:10:27

the State Control Committee

1:10:28

has reliable information about

1:10:30

facts involving the use by Babariko...

1:10:32

by a person being nominated as a presidential candidate

1:10:35

foreign financial assistance and so on

1:10:38

after the official dismissal from

1:10:40

the position of chairman of the management board

1:10:42

Belgazprombank, as well as after

1:10:45

the registration of the initiative group for

1:10:47

nomination for election as a candidate in

1:10:49

the interests of the election campaign

1:10:51

the latter used material and

1:10:53

other resources of the said bank. For reference,

1:10:57

this bank is more than 99 percent

1:11:00

owned by two shareholders: Gazprom

1:11:03

of the Russian Federation and Gazprombank

1:11:06

that is, it is almost entirely a foreign

1:11:09

enterprise

1:11:11

So you see, this is not even a court anymore, and yes,

1:11:14

not even the prosecutor's office alone — it’s just

1:11:15

this woman from the election commission, or I don’t even

1:11:18

know who she is — she just comes out and says

1:11:19

you know, this candidate

1:11:21

was supposed to be registered, but

1:11:22

I am informing you that he is the leader of an

1:11:24

organized criminal group

1:11:26

a bandit, and according to information from some kind of

1:11:30

oversight body

1:11:31

he possesses some kind of property, that’s it, and

1:11:33

they simply did not allow you onto the ballot, and you were

1:11:35

just declared, without any

1:11:37

evidence, without any trial

1:11:39

without anything at all — some woman with a

1:11:42

piece of paper declared you the leader of an

1:11:44

organized criminal group, but they

1:11:46

might even execute him tomorrow there in

1:11:48

Belarus — the death penalty still exists there

1:11:51

They can do absolutely anything, as long as

1:11:53

they keep him off the ballot and just

1:11:55

keep people in this kind of fear

1:11:59

of total shock, because on the one hand

1:12:01

people are actually being beaten in the streets, and on the other hand

1:12:03

people are watching all this lawlessness, but

1:12:05

it’s impossible to live with this lawlessness, because, well, how can you

1:12:07

they just take any person and accuse them

1:12:10

of any crimes whatsoever, completely

1:12:12

at random. This Baryiko was not allowed onto the

1:12:14

ballot. Valery Tsepkalo was also one of the three

1:12:17

candidates who enjoyed

1:12:19

broad support, and he too was barred from the election

1:12:21

on the grounds that, supposedly, there were not enough signatures

1:12:23

So far, only Sviatlana

1:12:24

Tsikhanouskaya has been registered

1:12:26

Well, we’ll see how the situation

1:12:28

develops further, but the most important thing

1:12:30

that happened today is that the campaign teams of

1:12:32

Tsikhanouskaya, Babaryka, and Tsepkalo

1:12:35

have united to continue the

1:12:37

struggle. This is a great photograph

1:12:39

of the wives of the unregistered candidates

1:12:43

and the arrested candidate — they have united

1:12:45

This really is a very good

1:12:46

and beautiful photograph

1:12:47

It has simply become a symbol of what is happening

1:12:50

Already there, the men are being jailed, and the wives

1:12:53

who were not used to being involved in politics are now — well,

1:12:57

of course, right now one really wants

1:12:58

to support all Belarusians, all

1:13:01

the candidates — really, just all the people

1:13:03

who are demanding some kind of justice

1:13:06

and hoping for something fair, well

1:13:09

sooner or later, I am sure, they will achieve

1:13:11

their justice, because, well

1:13:13

it is impossible — they are being beaten in the streets now

1:13:15

for absolutely no reason

1:13:16

Why are these people being barred from the election?

1:13:19

Simply because they do not want to let them in, that’s all

1:13:21

Instead of everything real and alive, they want to

1:13:25

show this clown, Stas Mikhailov (a Russian pop singer)

1:13:27

who was given a couple of bundles of cash and then

1:13:29

comes out and says, “Oh, let me kiss you all”

1:13:31

Nobody likes that

1:13:33

But people are being jailed and beaten, so, well

1:13:36

I support all the decent

1:13:39

good people in Belarus, and of course I want

1:13:42

to express my support for them

1:13:45

Alexei, a bill has been introduced in the State Duma (the lower house of Russia’s parliament)

1:13:47

providing for fines of up to 15 million rubles (about 15 million RUB)

1:13:49

for refusing to remove information

1:13:51

from websites. Alexei, do you think this

1:13:53

is connected to the refusal to remove the film *He Is Not Dimon to You*?

1:13:55

Of course, yes, absolutely, it is

1:13:58

another bill aimed directly at

1:14:01

the FBK (Anti-Corruption Foundation). Just today there was another

1:14:04

court hearing involving Zhdanov

1:14:05

Tomorrow there will be another hearing; he is already being

1:14:08

held criminally liable

1:14:10

for refusing to remove the film

1:14:12

*He Is Not Dimon to You*, which he cannot remove

1:14:13

because it is on my blog

1:14:15

and we are not removing any

1:14:18

of our investigations at all, I’m not

1:14:20

Guys, these fines are completely insane

1:14:21

This is directly connected. Andrei Fadina

1:14:24

asks: “Alexei, please comment on

1:14:26

the Kremlin’s reaction to the rallies in Khabarovsk”

1:14:29

What is happening really is very, very

1:14:32

interesting, and the Kremlin’s reaction

1:14:35

is quite panicked, and we

1:14:38

all understand why, because

1:14:40

what is happening in Khabarovsk

1:14:42

has undoubtedly come as a complete shock to

1:14:45

everyone, probably except the residents of Khabarovsk themselves

1:14:48

because something

1:14:51

completely unique has happened, after all

1:14:54

Previously, the arrest of a governor was a kind of

1:14:56

regular Putin trick to boost

1:14:59

his ratings, because, well, everyone knows

1:15:02

that all officials in our country are crooks

1:15:04

And of course, under Putin’s system, a senior

1:15:07

official cannot help but be a thief

1:15:10

so let’s arrest

1:15:12

a governor and raise Putin’s approval rating

1:15:14

Let’s say that we found this and that

1:15:16

on the governor, the deputy governor, the minister

1:15:18

some money, and the ratings also

1:15:20

go up, and then you can say, “See,

1:15:22

at last a real fight against

1:15:24

corruption has begun,” but here they ran into

1:15:26

a brick wall with Furgal, and now it is already completely

1:15:29

obvious that they simply made up some kind of super-

1:15:33

They say the most horrific crimes happened there.

1:15:35

That he killed a whole lot of people, and the residents

1:15:38

of Khabarovsk said, “Sorry, but no. We’re not”

1:15:41

buying any of this. First of all, we don’t

1:15:42

believe it, and second, show us some kind of

1:15:46

evidence.” And to this day, there is still no

1:15:49

evidence. You know, the trial over Furgal (former governor of Khabarovsk Krai)

1:15:52

is being held behind closed doors. And why is that?

1:15:56

What is this, a spy trial? Some kind of

1:15:58

secret witnesses? These murders supposedly happened 15 years ago.

1:16:00

There is not a single reason

1:16:03

why. Murder trials in Russia

1:16:07

take place in every court, three a day

1:16:10

sometimes. Unfortunately, there is a lot of lawlessness in Russia,

1:16:12

but here it turns out that everything

1:16:14

has to be closed off because the evidence

1:16:17

isn’t there. There is no evidence at all. That’s why in

1:16:21

Khabarovsk

1:16:21

people really did rise up, and it was unique.

1:16:24

It looked like they were standing up for an official, for a governor, but in essence

1:16:27

of course they were standing up for their own rights, for their right

1:16:30

to their own lives. Because they had defeated a United Russia candidate,

1:16:32

and then a United Russia man came in and, by other means,

1:16:36

tried to break everyone and tried

1:16:39

to force them.

1:16:40

But even so, people took to the

1:16:44

streets because they saw not just

1:16:46

a slightly different type of politician. Furgal,

1:16:49

an LDPR representative (Liberal Democratic Party of Russia), from what is probably

1:16:52

the most cowardly and corrupt party there is, but he was

1:16:54

somehow a little different. And people noticed

1:16:57

with what pleasure, and with what

1:16:59

shock, everyone is now sharing

1:17:02

videos of Furgal, and it becomes clear

1:17:05

why people support him. Well, because

1:17:07

he simply wasn’t such an

1:17:09

brazen, shameless face like all the others. One of

1:17:13

his videos, where he talks about

1:17:15

school lunches, shows him speaking simply like

1:17:18

a normal person. At 0:54, he says:

1:17:21

“What, have you all lost your minds? Don’t you understand? These are

1:17:23

our children. What money? How much are we spending

1:17:26

on meals

1:17:29

for low-income and large-family children? 106

1:17:33

million rubles a year (about $1.1 million). And what happens if

1:17:39

the parents can’t pay the extra amount?

1:17:40

Where does that compensation go? Tea and a bun? 11

1:17:51

billion rubles (about $120 million) we spend on ourselves,”

1:17:54

“and for the child, just part of a bun? Aren’t you

1:17:57

ashamed? First of all, let’s cut

1:18:00

everyone’s bonuses. If we don’t have money, we have no

1:18:04

right today

1:18:05

to pay such salaries to deputies,

1:18:10

officials, and everyone else. If parents can’t

1:18:12

pay, then we will pay

1:18:14

for the meals.”

1:18:16

And that’s what they jailed him for. The most extremist thing

1:18:19

he said was simply repeating exactly what

1:18:22

absolutely everyone says. If you

1:18:25

can’t buy a child tea, a bun, and

1:18:28

I don’t know, maybe a bowl of soup, then maybe

1:18:31

you shouldn’t be buying a car

1:18:33

for 7 million rubles (about $77,000). Maybe then

1:18:35

you shouldn’t be flying business class.

1:18:37

These aren’t huge sacrifices, and absolutely

1:18:39

everyone says this. But then a man whom

1:18:41

people elected governor comes out and says it all

1:18:43

out loud, and Putin and all of United Russia are

1:18:46

simply furious because the people

1:18:48

say, “Well, good for him, he said exactly

1:18:52

what we’ve been saying.” Let’s listen

1:18:54

to what he says about the problem of logging.

1:18:56

There’s endless

1:18:58

waffling on about it:

1:18:58

they keep saying everything is being cut down and shipped to China, but then

1:19:01

the governor comes out and says simple,

1:19:02

ordinary, human words: “Wonderful.

1:19:05

You live there, and they came in and cut everything down,

1:19:07

wrecked the hills and the lake, and there’s no one responsible?”

1:19:11

“No, you’re mistaken. We’re creating a commission. All

1:19:13

the relevant agencies, including

1:19:15

the Ministry of Natural Resources,

1:19:16

the forestry administration, units of

1:19:19

the security department,

1:19:20

as well as federal bodies that oversee

1:19:23

forest use,

1:19:25

are planning to go out there together with equipment,

1:19:27

with technical tools, in order to assess

1:19:28

the clear-cutting that was carried out, and

1:19:30

also to

1:19:32

take water samples to determine how badly

1:19:34

it has been polluted. Who signed the permit

1:19:37

for the logging? Who? Who actually signed

1:19:41

the permit? The entire forestry administration signed it.”

1:19:44

“What do you mean, the forestry administration?”

1:19:46

“Forestry administration isn’t a surname. I want the names of specific people.”

1:19:49

And this concerns not only this one place.

1:19:53

That’s why I gave the order: not a single

1:19:57

cubic meter of timber

1:19:58

from so-called sanitary logging is to be sold

1:20:01

to God knows whom anymore.”

1:20:04

You can call this

1:20:06

populism or whatever you like. You could

1:20:09

say he’s just performing for the camera,

1:20:11

playing the role of a tough governor.

1:20:12

But he was saying basic

1:20:14

things that every one of us

1:20:16

repeats. At Putin’s meetings, it’s always:

1:20:19

“Well, something was cut down, some agency is to blame.”

1:20:22

Yes, the agency is to blame. Well then, let’s

1:20:24

conduct an additional review, let’s

1:20:26

issue instructions to look into it.” But here

1:20:29

the whole country looks at this and says:

1:20:30

“What is there to look into? Sure, let’s

1:20:33

look into it, but there’s already some

1:20:35

person who signed all of this, and he and

1:20:38

his boss took money for that signature.”

1:20:41

Everyone understands that, including children.

1:20:43

At Putin’s level, and at all the other

1:20:46

levels of United Russia, it’s obvious that they

1:20:49

didn’t take money for this one thing, they took it for that, and we took it

1:20:52

for this—what’s the point of splitting hairs?

1:20:54

“Let’s issue instructions.” Then those instructions

1:20:56

go under supervision, and later are taken off

1:20:59

supervision, someone writes up a piece of paper, and

1:21:01

it all ends in nothing. But then Furgal comes out

1:21:03

and says: “Don’t talk nonsense. There’s a surname, there’s a name,”

1:21:06

“and I forbid timber from being sold through”

1:21:09

about so-called sanitary logging, and people look at that

1:21:11

and say: that's right,

1:21:14

right, we voted out the United Russia candidate,

1:21:18

that's the main message being heard in

1:21:21

Khabarovsk

1:21:22

and the Kremlin really doesn't like it: people

1:21:25

voted out the United Russia candidate and saw that it

1:21:28

was absolutely the right thing to do. Then

1:21:31

they jailed the man who beat the United Russia candidate, and now everyone

1:21:33

is already coming out with political slogans, and

1:21:35

this panicked reaction from the Kremlin

1:21:38

is connected precisely to the fact that the main

1:21:41

slogan heard on the streets of Khabarovsk

1:21:44

is what you're about to hear in

1:21:46

these 27 seconds.

1:21:55

[applause]

1:22:15

There's none of that anymore—none of this 'let's'

1:22:18

'get on our knees before Putin,' or

1:22:21

'let's appeal to him, let's ask,'

1:22:24

'let's do something'—there's nothing like that

1:22:26

even close to it anymore. What is happening there is a purely

1:22:29

political understanding, a citywide awareness

1:22:31

of how this system works. And in response to Putin's

1:22:34

statement that Furgal is a criminal, they

1:22:36

chant: 'Putin is a criminal himself.'

1:22:38

'Putin is a thief himself,' and they are chanting slogans

1:22:41

that used to be chanted

1:22:43

only by human rights activists. For a week now, all of Khabarovsk

1:22:46

has been coming out to rallies every single day,

1:22:49

blocking roads and chanting for a fair

1:22:52

trial. Let's listen to 40 seconds

1:22:55

of chanting, when all the residents—just ordinary

1:22:58

people—are chanting for an honest court.

1:23:05

[applause]

1:23:11

[applause]

1:23:41

And this is already day 16, meaning

1:23:45

this is not the first day of protest, when on

1:23:47

Saturday there was an enormous number of people.

1:23:49

This is truly the biggest demonstration

1:23:52

in the entire history of the Russian Far East.

1:23:54

Probably—probably nothing like this

1:23:57

happened even during the war or the revolution;

1:24:00

never before has there been a gathering of people this large,

1:24:03

protesting and making political

1:24:05

demands. There simply has never been anything like it—not in

1:24:08

Vladivostok, not in Khabarovsk before,

1:24:10

in fact nowhere in the entire Far East has there ever been

1:24:12

such a number of people.

1:24:14

Interestingly, even the police there

1:24:15

reported 12,000 people, although

1:24:18

there were far more.

1:24:19

And when the federal authorities found out,

1:24:21

they chewed out the local police, like, 'Why did you give such

1:24:23

a high number?' But it was simply impossible

1:24:25

to hide it. It would be like if in Moscow

1:24:28

600,000 or 700,000 people came out

1:24:31

into the streets—really.

1:24:33

An extraordinary rally. And what's more, this

1:24:35

isn't just in Khabarovsk—Khabarovsk,

1:24:37

Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Vanino, the settlement of

1:24:39

Vanino—here are 30 seconds of what those rallies look like.

1:24:43

[music]

1:24:50

[music]

1:25:10

[music]

1:25:12

That's why the Kremlin is in shock. Go on,

1:25:17

now try saying they're all 'liberals'

1:25:20

or that they're all bought off by someone, or that they were

1:25:22

bused in. Of course, they started saying that

1:25:24

right away—naturally, the talking points

1:25:26

were immediately circulated.

1:25:27

First they said our штаб (campaign headquarters) organized everything, then

1:25:29

they started saying that the rallies in

1:25:31

Khabarovsk

1:25:32

were made up of workers bused in from the Amurstal plant,

1:25:36

which belongs to Furgal, or Furgal's

1:25:39

people. A well-known internet propagandist

1:25:40

started pushing that line, but

1:25:42

they didn't even check that Amurstal

1:25:44

is located in Komsomolsk-on-Amur,

1:25:46

a couple hundred kilometers away from all this.

1:25:49

But even that doesn't work, because there are

1:25:51

so many people there. And when you just see

1:25:55

ordinary people walking down the roads, it doesn't

1:25:59

look at all like some Moscow liberals

1:26:01

who got carried away, or members of Navalny's

1:26:03

headquarters. The overwhelming majority of the people

1:26:06

who are taking to the streets in Khabarovsk

1:26:08

and other cities in the Far East

1:26:09

have never in their lives watched any of my

1:26:12

programs. They're just ordinary people who

1:26:16

right now

1:26:16

are simply standing up for what they believe is right. They

1:26:19

live very far away, and there has always been

1:26:23

this sense that they are separate,

1:26:25

and then there is this other Russia—a Russia that

1:26:28

has basically abandoned them and, of course, does not help

1:26:30

them at all.

1:26:31

But then that United Russia, that rest of

1:26:34

Russia, comes in and devours your

1:26:37

governor, and people take to the streets

1:26:38

simply to say: 'Have you completely lost it?

1:26:40

Because we get nothing here,

1:26:43

our salaries are tiny,

1:26:46

we are far from Moscow, we derive absolutely no

1:26:49

benefit, none of the fruits

1:26:52

of our natural resources, and on top of that

1:26:54

you came and took the man we elected—you

1:26:57

just brazenly, lawlessly stole him away and took him

1:27:01

to Moscow, and now you're trying him behind closed doors, accusing him

1:27:05

of murdering people. Well, it's obvious that

1:27:08

now you're going to lock him up for 25 years

1:27:10

or even give him life for some

1:27:12

made-up murders that nobody has

1:27:14

seen and that no one will be shown.' That's why the Kremlin is

1:27:16

in shock. Of course, they are trying various tricks. First of all, they are putting pressure on the LDPR

1:27:19

(Liberal Democratic Party of Russia), and

1:27:21

because they forced it

1:27:23

to issue a statement saying that, well,

1:27:26

they are against certain protest actions;

1:27:30

they don't object to some things, but they have already

1:27:31

put Furgal, of course, in a very vulnerable

1:27:35

position. He's sitting in a cell, and they

1:27:38

can do anything they want to him. And of course

1:27:40

someone is going to him right now, I think, at this

1:27:43

very moment, and explaining: 'Dear

1:27:45

Governor, choose: either right now we

1:27:50

give you 15 years for these invented murders,

1:27:53

or, if people don't...'

1:27:56

they’ll disperse, and you’ll keep supporting them, you...

1:27:59

you’ll get 25 years, or maybe you’ll just...

1:28:02

one day

1:28:03

slip in that cell, damn it,

1:28:05

fall headfirst into a noose and hang yourself, or...

1:28:08

your veins will somehow get slit, or something else will happen.

1:28:10

So of course they’ve already backed him into a corner, and his whole...

1:28:12

team there is being intimidated, arms are being twisted,

1:28:14

they’re being pressured and forced

1:28:16

to make statements saying that they do not...

1:28:19

they thank people for some things, but say everything must stay within the law.

1:28:21

Let’s listen to this 30-second clip.

1:28:23

Furgal’s representative

1:28:24

Sergei Walter said he has absolutely nothing to do

1:28:27

with those demonstrations by residents

1:28:31

of Khabarovsk Krai (a region in Russia), his voters there. And so he...

1:28:35

thanks them, but today he stated in court

1:28:39

that he does not approve of these mass

1:28:43

protests, since he is the governor of the region

1:28:47

and believes that his voters should

1:28:51

conduct themselves within the bounds of current

1:28:53

legislation. Well of course—how else could you...

1:28:56

approve of them if you could actually be

1:28:58

stabbed to death in your cell the next day if...

1:29:00

you say, “Guys in Khabarovsk, thank you...”},{

1:29:02

keep coming out.” But fortunately in...

1:29:04

people in Khabarovsk already understand everything anyway, but...

1:29:07

they understand perfectly well that he can’t say anything

1:29:09

so they keep coming out, and...

1:29:10

they’re absolutely right to do so.

1:29:13

Of course, there’s a difficult problem there right now.

1:29:15

Because, as usual, these rallies

1:29:17

begin—as they did for us in 2012—and then what?

1:29:20

What is this supposed to end with? They shouldn’t...

1:29:23

just keep growing; they shouldn’t...

1:29:24

storm the administration building and the Kremlin?

1:29:26

That’s what they’re waiting for. Of course, they’d love to simply

1:29:29

fly in some OMON riot police

1:29:30

and disperse everyone.

1:29:32

Because sure, you can disperse 20,000 people there,

1:29:36

20,000 people,

1:29:37

but what if tomorrow 80,000 people come out and they

1:29:42

smash everything there to hell

1:29:44

and back? What if they simply

1:29:46

take over the airport and don’t allow

1:29:49

any riot police to fly in, because there

1:29:51

people have genuinely risen up—it’s real

1:29:53

people.

1:29:54

No matter how much all this very

1:29:57

ridiculous

1:29:59

Kremlin propaganda lies about how, supposedly,

1:30:01

I received a million euros to organize

1:30:05

these rallies in Khabarovsk,

1:30:06

it only works against the Kremlin.

1:30:10

Because people in Khabarovsk

1:30:13

look at all this and they genuinely

1:30:15

get furious, because they most likely have no idea who

1:30:18

Navalny is and probably

1:30:20

haven’t even heard of him, but they know why they are coming out.

1:30:22

They know why their neighbor is coming out, but...

1:30:25

then some Kremlin gang, I don’t know,

1:30:27

some lapdog journalist paid next to nothing,

1:30:31

Oleg Lurie,

1:30:31

puts out a whole “investigation” claiming that

1:30:34

all of this was done with money from

1:30:36

Western sponsors. Let’s watch this—

1:30:38

9 seconds. And one more point:

1:30:41

Khabarovsk, Khabarovsk Krai,

1:30:45

is now being used

1:30:45

also to demonstrate to their Western

1:30:49

handlers—investors, sponsors, rather, not

1:30:52

investors but sponsors—they’re using it to

1:30:56

show them: “Look, guys, what we

1:30:58

can do. Elections are just around the corner, we’ll give them...

1:31:01

...all of this.” It’s muscle-flexing.

1:31:03

Even the opposition is demonstrating to its

1:31:06

masters, to all kinds of success stories and foundations:

1:31:10

“Give us money, look how great we are,”

1:31:12

“look what we can do, how we can stir things up.”

1:31:15

Now it’s September—any fool will believe it and give them money.

1:31:18

They believe it and give, because it’s such a nicely drawn

1:31:21

picture: people, demonstrations, all of this,

1:31:24

the transformation of a governor who is a murderer

1:31:28

—an alleged murderer—into a political

1:31:32

prisoner. Naturally, they

1:31:34

are demonstrating strength and asking for

1:31:37

big money.” Of course, all of this works

1:31:41

against the Kremlin, but they simply don’t know how

1:31:43

to do anything else. All they know how to do is

1:31:45

simply disperse people—which in Khabarovsk

1:31:48

is a bit scary for them.

1:31:49

Fake trials, which also won’t work in Khabarovsk

1:31:52

right now. That’s why they

1:31:54

took Furgal away

1:31:55

to Moscow. And then there’s just endless lying.

1:31:57

So they lie like this, and the whole Far

1:31:59

East and all of Khabarovsk are watching and saying:

1:32:02

“You Moscow thugs, damn it, you’re just...

1:32:06

lying. I’m going out, my neigh—what

1:32:09

Western sponsors? What foundations? What are you

1:32:12

even talking about?” That’s what people are saying. That’s exactly why

1:32:14

they are not leaving.

1:32:15

They’ve already stayed on the streets for 6 days, because

1:32:18

it’s impossible to put up with these lies. Everyone knows

1:32:21

why each person in Khabarovsk Krai is coming out.

1:32:23

Everyone knows that this video I showed you

1:32:27

last time—the audio, basically—

1:32:29

yes, in the rest of Russia, in

1:32:33

Moscow, people didn’t know about it, they hadn’t

1:32:34

known about it before. But in Khabarovsk Krai

1:32:37

everyone knew perfectly well, because the campaign

1:32:39

against Furgal has been going on for several

1:32:41

months, and they’ve been pressuring him because his

1:32:44

approval rating is higher than Putin’s. Let’s listen again

1:32:46

to these 50–55 seconds, which

1:32:49

perfectly explain why this man is now

1:32:52

sitting in prison on murder charges. What

1:32:57

is happening today is already beyond the pale,

1:32:58

honestly—simply beyond even

1:33:02

the bounds of reason. They’ve simply started to

1:33:05

destroy the ratings—the ratings of the authorities,

1:33:08

the rating of the government, the rating of the president.

1:33:12

And they’re doing it deliberately, properly,

1:33:14

professionally—people brought in from

1:33:17

Moscow. And anyway, I didn’t quite understand...

1:33:20

that he isn’t interfering, because you

1:33:22

said that a movement is being formed: “Let’s defend

1:33:27

the governor.” So the population is defending you...

1:33:30

Wouldn't you like to see what's happening—you and...

1:33:32

Well, that's because people are coming...

1:33:35

Just a second, because if you look at the numbers, the story...

1:33:40

looks very...

1:33:42

the burden on the president's approval rating...

1:33:45

is falling, and accordingly anyone seeing such a...

1:33:49

policy—not me, not Reksane, not Alexander...

1:33:52

or anyone else. Though, as you heard, the presidential envoy...

1:33:56

Trutnev spoke a bit ironically...

1:33:58

saying, here it is, the “Let's Defend...” movement

1:33:59

the Governor” movement. But now, probably,...

1:34:01

they're no longer speaking ironically, after he saw...

1:34:03

the real thousands of people who are coming out and...

1:34:06

defending themselves. What should the residents...

1:34:09

of Khabarovsk do? People in Khabarovsk...

1:34:14

and the Khabarovsk region must not give up; they need to...

1:34:15

look for other forms as well, maybe...

1:34:16

a strike. Actually, it would be great to...

1:34:18

try at least a one-day...

1:34:21

citywide, regionwide walkout...

1:34:24

a strike, or some other formats...

1:34:26

to try, because Putin, obviously...

1:34:29

what he's doing is waiting for everything to...

1:34:31

run out of steam. It's simply impossible to keep...

1:34:34

going out into the streets forever: you go out once, you go out...

1:34:36

twice, you go out 22 times...

1:34:38

but then people seem to get tired of it. The example of Shiyes...

1:34:41

shows perfectly that people went out there...

1:34:44

again and again; it seemed hopeless, and already...

1:34:46

it all looked marginal, like some kind of...

1:34:49

tent camp. By the way, I...

1:34:51

spoke there a bit with the defenders of...

1:34:53

Shiyes; they told me how...

1:34:54

hard, difficult, and unbearable it was—everyone was already...

1:34:57

tired of defending it, and it seemed...

1:35:01

pointless. But still, they stood there, and...

1:35:05

they achieved their goal anyway. That's why people very often...

1:35:09

write to me asking why you can't take...

1:35:10

the leading role there, your headquarters. But we...

1:35:12

can't, because we can't be...

1:35:14

more Catholic than the Pope. In any case...

1:35:16

there is Furgal.

1:35:17

If we jump in there now, then...

1:35:20

they'll force him to howl and say that...

1:35:22

you know, first of all, I am of course...

1:35:26

outraged that Navalny is doing something there...

1:35:31

in the Khabarovsk region. I want to say that...

1:35:33

this is all—and that together with him we killed those...

1:35:35

15 people, because of course the LDPR (Liberal Democratic Party of Russia)...

1:35:37

and all the rest of this whole power structure, they...

1:35:39

can be made to do all sorts of things and...

1:35:42

say absolutely anything.

1:35:43

So in any case, the main political...

1:35:46

force there, and the ones tightly controlling...

1:35:49

the message, can only be local people and...

1:35:52

some people who are part of...

1:35:54

Furgal's team. And he himself, despite all...

1:35:56

the situation, though we understand perfectly well that...

1:35:58

well, he's simply being beaten down.

1:36:01

If he really starts to...

1:36:03

coordinate anything, then... So simply...

1:36:06

dear residents of Khabarovsk, dear...

1:36:08

residents of the Russian Far East, you simply need to...

1:36:11

stay persistent.

1:36:12

Look for ways to supplement what's happening...

1:36:15

with some new methods. It seems to me...

1:36:17

that an attempt, for example, may or may not...

1:36:20

work out—but to organize some kind of...

1:36:22

citywide strike, where people simply...

1:36:24

show up for work but do not work...

1:36:27

stop all work, try to...

1:36:29

shut down all institutions for one day or two...

1:36:32

days—things like that should be attempted...

1:36:35

because otherwise...

1:36:38

they'll just talk it to death, drag everything out gradually...

1:36:44

expanding and expanding the initiative group...

1:36:46

and gradually, through lies, deceit, and meanness...

1:36:49

they will try to tear everything apart...

1:36:52

to wreck it all. But right now, the main thing is that truth and...

1:36:54

the people are on your side.

1:36:57

The residents of Khabarovsk are in the right, and no matter how much...

1:36:59

they lie, they cannot drown out one thing. I wanted...

1:37:03

to show you at the end—the program has been going for an hour and a half...

1:37:05

already, 85 people are watching...

1:37:07

live—44 seconds...

1:37:10

the very video, out of all the ones that...

1:37:13

I liked most. It's people...

1:37:14

residents of neighboring settlements near...

1:37:17

Khabarovsk, walking to the rally, and visually...

1:37:21

visually...

1:37:22

if you turn off the picture—rather, turn off...

1:37:25

the sound—and don't tell you where this...

1:37:27

is happening, you'd watch it and say: well, this is...

1:37:30

some kind of pro-Putin rally, people marching for Putin...

1:37:33

most likely some kind of Putin squads...

1:37:34

these are elderly women, or simply...

1:37:36

women going to some demonstration...

1:37:39

they were probably paid 200 rubles each...

1:37:41

to go and rally for Putin. In other words...

1:37:44

everything has turned out...

1:37:46

completely differently. And absolutely ordinary...

1:37:49

people, whose support...

1:37:53

real or imagined, United Russia once prided itself on...

1:37:57

United Russia and Putin—now they...

1:37:59

are absolutely against him. Everyone, everyone is against...

1:38:02

him. What it looks like there, what those...

1:38:04

44 seconds show, is truly some kind of...

1:38:08

uprising people that Putin...

1:38:10

no longer has. He has lost these people...

1:38:13

completely.

1:38:13

And looking at this video, no one will say anymore...

1:38:17

that these are the State Department, “liberasts” (a derogatory Russian term for liberals), liberals...

1:38:20

some kind of Westernizers, or anyone else, because...

1:38:23

this is the most genuine, plain...

1:38:26

Russian people, coming out of their apartments...

1:38:28

and walking along the highway...

1:38:30

in order to defend their governor. Forty-four...

1:38:32

seconds.

1:38:48

Let's open it...

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[music]

1:39:14

and, and...

1:39:16

Good Lord...

1:39:19

You see, they're just walking down the street...

1:39:23

they simply don't know what to do with them, and...

1:39:24

they just lie—telling them to go away because...

1:39:27

some school, some technical college, whatever—but the people keep going...

1:39:29

they keep going and going. Well done...

1:39:32

They're simply an example for all of us. That's why I...

1:39:34

I’m certainly impressed.

1:39:36

by the residents of Khabarovsk—right now,

1:39:38

the whole country is watching you. I was in

1:39:39

Arkhangelsk.

1:39:40

I told them, “You are defenders—well done.”

1:39:43

I mean, it’s really hard to compare with you.

1:39:46

In terms of protest activity in general, and your

1:39:48

passion in defending Russia—and they told me,

1:39:50

“Well, of course, right now no one can

1:39:53

compare with Khabarovsk.” That’s the plain

1:39:55

truth.

1:39:55

Moscow, St. Petersburg, Arkhangelsk—all cities, the whole

1:39:58

country is watching Arkhangelsk. We wish

1:40:00

you good luck.

1:40:01

And we’ll help however we can. Thank you

1:40:03

very much to everyone who watched the broadcast. See

1:40:05

you on Thursday. Bye.

1:40:15

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[laughter]

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