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Good evening, everyone. In Moscow, it is exactly 8:00 p.m.

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That means that, here in the studio, as

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usual on Thursdays, I am Alexei Navalny

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or, as someone trying to hype himself up over

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Crimea, as the online outlet

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*Sevastopol Privet* called me. Greetings to Sevastopol, and to everyone in

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the online media outlets that, as it turns out,

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watch our program closely.

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Please send me your questions with the hashtag

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on Twitter, with the hashtag #RussiaOfTheFuture, and I

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will try, over the course of the program, to answer your

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questions, as I always do.

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Of course, the main topic being discussed today

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and yesterday

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is the large number of opinion polls

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that suddenly came out and showed us

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that Putin’s ratings have fallen to record

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lows. The most astonishing thing about

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this—truly astonishing—is that

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state-run polling services

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are putting out the most—not exactly

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apocalyptic, of course—but still

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plainly bad numbers for Putin. We basically have

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three polling services in this country.

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There’s the Levada Center,

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which is considered sort of oppositional, meaning

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independent: it says things as they are, and

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that’s why it’s treated as oppositional. There’s FOM,

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which is generally state-aligned, but still

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tries to present itself as independent. And there’s VTsIOM,

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which usually just churns out

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all kinds of pro-government

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nonsense, manipulates data—the most

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hardcore

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pro-Putin polling service of them all. And

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this VTsIOM has now repeatedly stated that

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Putin’s ratings are falling, and the ratings of

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United Russia are falling too. A couple of days ago, they

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literally came out with the headline

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“An Unprecedented Decline in the Ratings of

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Vladimir Putin.” They announced that

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his rating had dropped to 31 percent. That is

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absolutely—you can see the table on screen now—

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the lowest figure in recent

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years. And if we look at it

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by region,

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Putin’s lowest rating is in

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Magadan Region, where it is only

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even lower. Which is understandable, really, because

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the Russian Far East

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has simply been abandoned. As for Magadan Region,

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what is there to say? Life there is hard, people

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are leaving, there are no prospects whatsoever,

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and people in Magadan Region have stopped loving Vladimir Putin.

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He ought to go there, to Magadan Region,

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and whether he ends up staying there somehow or not

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is for him to decide. But in

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Magadan Region, they have fallen out of love with Putin.

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They have fallen out of love with the United Russia party as well. The average

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electoral rating nationwide is 34

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percent; in Khabarovsk Krai, it is just 21

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percent. Once again, we see that in the Far East

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people do not like the authorities. And, in fact,

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that is exactly what the idea of our

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Smart Voting is built on: the authorities’ ratings

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have now fallen so low that if we—

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those of us watching this program, along with our

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friends and acquaintances—literally,

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without exaggeration, turn out for

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the elections on September 8, then we will seriously reduce

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United Russia’s result. So,

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guys, Smart Voting. And so, what happened was

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something completely interesting:

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these state polling

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services are simply no longer able

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to hide the fact that Putin’s rating is dropping sharply.

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They release some data, and

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then the Kremlin starts to worry. And today, very

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amusingly, Peskov said that

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the Kremlin wants sociologists to come in and

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explain why Vladimir Putin’s rating

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is falling. And I hope the sociologists

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come in and say: guys, your rating

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is falling because you don’t do a damn thing,

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you just steal, you’ve been in power for 20 years,

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and the people are getting poorer.

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The ratings are falling for a very simple reason:

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for the past five years,

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your salary has either been shrinking or standing

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still, while prices in the stores keep rising. That’s all.

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And that is exactly what the decline in

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the ratings is tied to, and it will continue. Sorry,

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sorry, guys, I’m not going to give you any false hope on that front.

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Your salary

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in the coming years

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will stay roughly as it is, or grow only

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a little, while prices in the stores

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will rise much faster. So

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I assume that the viewers of this program—

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among them, Putin’s rating is already fairly

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low—but more and more people

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will come around to this kind of

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dissatisfaction: the simplest, most everyday kind.

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Not even necessarily about corruption or

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not corruption, or poor governance of the country,

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the West, war, Crimea or not Crimea—just

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that the economy is getting worse, the country is being run

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badly, nothing is happening, and we

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are slowly getting poorer—or at least

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remaining stuck at the same level,

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while the rest of the world is growing a little. And

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staying at the same level while prices

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keep rising means that you are gradually

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becoming poorer. And connected to this is an amazing

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video I saw this week.

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It was exactly the kind of protest you get from people

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who never go to rallies of any kind.

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They were opening Dynamo Stadium, and there came

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Deputy Prime Minister Golodets,

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who oversaw

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healthcare, by the way—a fairly

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close associate of Putin. She was involved in

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healthcare, which is obviously an important area.

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She was in the Moscow city government; she is

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a rather wealthy lady, with homes in

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Italy and Switzerland—in other words, one of those

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important Putin people. Now she

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She oversees culture and sports, and she came to

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Dynamo Stadium to say

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how much everything around has improved.

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In connection with Vladimir Vladimirov, Sergei

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Simeonov. Look, guys,

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a government official, a member of the government,

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built you a new stadium, so rejoice.

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Bow your heads in gratitude.

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But she understands that people came there for

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the opening of Dynamo Stadium. It is generally believed that

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hardcore

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football fans who go to stadiums

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tend to like the authorities

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a little more than the average person, and

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so Golodets basically came to collect

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her applause, as she and

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Putin's government expected.

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Let's watch a few seconds of how

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it looked in practice. At the same time,

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no one in the stadium actually knows

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who Golodets is. I think even you

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may have barely caught the surname — what the hell kind of

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government lady is this? People

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were simply reacting to the words

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"government" and "Golodets" at the stadium.

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Deputy Prime Minister

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of the Russian Federation

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Olga Golodets

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People come out.

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She's still all like, no—

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my people around the city.

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markers

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there are no themes

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friends

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And Olga Golodets had to deliver

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her pompous speech through all that

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jeering. It was genuinely massive — not just

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a little bit of whistling here and there, no, it was really

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the whole stadium. I can't say exactly

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what the capacity of this

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Dynamo stadium is, but obviously tens of thousands of people

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were jeering and shouting, and you can make out

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how she pushes through with this: "I am glad that

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in our country

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we have returned this stadium..." In other words, this whole

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very

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Putin-style thing: we have once again given you back

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something, so please rejoice. But people

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do not want to rejoice. People

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are jeering, and in that jeering there is a completely

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clear message: hey,

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we sold trillions of dollars' worth of oil and gas

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over the past decades; 20

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or 30 stadiums like this should have been built.

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So get out of here with

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your government. And it is very important

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that, generally speaking, these rather apolitical

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people are saying this.

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And what does this look like, my dear YouTube

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viewers?

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Let's also take a look at our

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northern capital (St. Petersburg),

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at Petrovsky Stadium some time

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ago — there was a very similar incident. Let's

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St. Petersburg.

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[applause]

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[applause]

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[applause]

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except

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for me.

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Of course, this is a fairly legendary

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recording of how the then-governor,

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Poltavchenko, came to the stadium

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shortly after calling the residents

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of St. Petersburg "zhlobs" (a derogatory term meaning boors or louts) because they

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were doing something he did not like, and

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Zenit fans and everyone else who had gathered

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there — as soon as he appeared,

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they realized he had come and started chanting

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all together: "Governor is a boor!" And what else like that was there? Let's

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remember — let's take a look.

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About our sun-like leader, or whatever one is now

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supposed to say these days,

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say.

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the "fairytale one" — there was a similar

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incident with him too at the Olimpiyskiy Stadium.

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Vladimir Putin and the fans.

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So, friends,

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today all fans of martial arts

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[applause]

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and this celebration took place in the open

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air...

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you six hundred...

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many thanks to them.

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Remember, this was 2011. Putin came to

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the stadium in order to

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show off; elections were coming up soon — parliamentary and presidential — and

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he began

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to speak, and the entire stadium started booing and whistling. And then it was very

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interesting to watch later when

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Peskov said that of course they were not booing Putin,

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they were booing

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fighter Monson — Jeff Monson — who,

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incidentally, is now a deputy in

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the Krasnogorsk district. So it wasn't Putin

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they were booing, but that fighter.

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But everyone understood perfectly well that back in 2011

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the authorities had become so unbearable to everyone that

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it was Putin they were booing. After that, Putin and

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his circle put a lot of effort into

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raising their approval ratings. They

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resorted to the most, the single most powerful

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tool that a leader of that kind

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an authoritarian leader can use to

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boost his ratings: they started a war.

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And we were all told that any moment now

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these terrible [__] would of course eat our children,

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and they crucify little boys, and they

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are destroying the Russian language, and in general, any minute now

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NATO troops would be stationed in Kyiv.

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And naturally they whipped the whole country up.

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The whole country was in hysterics. You

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split into several camps, and we...

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For several years in a row, the entire political agenda

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was all about Crimea — is it ours or not, and that story about a boy supposedly being crucified there

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— no boys were crucified, of course, but TV talk shows still

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go on about it endlessly. But now,

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in 2019, we can see how all of that

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has stopped working, because people

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have started looking into their own pockets.

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They pulled out their wallets — my wallet, by the way, I

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bought in our store,

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our online shop — they looked inside, and there

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was less and less and less money. And that

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works more powerfully now than Vladimir

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Solovyov and Dmitry Kiselyov (pro-Kremlin TV hosts), with their endless

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rehashing of Ukraine, Crimea, Zelenskyy,

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Poroshenko, Merkel, Trump, and so on.

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People do not want to hear that. They want

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the oil, gas, metals — whatever it is — that we

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pull out of our land

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and sell to the West to make us at least a little

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better off, or for the government's efforts

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in managing the economy

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to make us a little richer. Because, well,

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it’s absurd: we think we’re so

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great, we puff ourselves up,

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but in Estonia the average salary is higher than

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ours. In Eastern European countries,

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pensions are already much higher everywhere than

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ours, and here they still have to raise

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the retirement age

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just to somehow catch up with someone, to plug

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holes in the budget. And we all

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understand who is actually responsible for those holes

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in the budget. In short, the ratings are falling. This is very

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important. We should expect that, of course,

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the authorities will also try in the near future

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to do something extraordinary, because

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back then there was booing,

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then there was defeat in the elections, and they

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falsified the vote. Once again: Smart Voting,

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come out and vote against

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United Russia.

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Albert asks: from New York, it looks like what difference

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does the rating make? They’ll still

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count the votes however they want. But of course, no,

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Albert, that’s not quite true. Fraud

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is possible, but its scale is also

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limited across the country. In Bashkortostan

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or in Chechnya, they can throw in as many votes as they like,

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but in Moscow and St. Petersburg, still,

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it’s not quite like that. Besides, you see, one

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thing is this:

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when turnout is 60 percent, as it was in the

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presidential election, and those people vote

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so that 73 percent comes out of that 60,

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but it’s another matter when turnout in an election

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is low — 20 percent — and of that 20 percent,

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only 20 percent voted for United Russia.

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They have to inflate that into a big number,

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and that is not even technically so

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easy to do. Besides, we will

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monitor the vote, we will make

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video recordings.

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In 2011, as you remember, they

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stuffed ballots and cheated. And how did that

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end? It ended with fairly

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mass protests, and then for another

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year and a half it remained the main

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political issue. So they are in a

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difficult position. But besides that, there is also

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this point: fine, maybe they counted the election

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the way they wanted, but beyond elections there is also

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such a thing as practical public support.

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Before, as various crooks used to say

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during presidential

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elections: never mind whether they falsified

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the results or not, you still understood that

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the majority would come and vote

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for Putin. And many people said: yes,

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we understood that. But now it’s exactly the opposite.

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Conceptually, you and I, Albert, understand that

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United Russia is not in first place, and

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Putin’s rating is already down to 31, then it will be

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21, then 25 — who even knows. But of course, that does not mean

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we should doubt that they will once again

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try to cook up something like that.

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To raise their ratings,

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and since within the economy they can do

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nothing, they will be forced to

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stage something

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of that sort.

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And while they are figuring out what to stage, they

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will of course try to silence everyone

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who spreads videos like that one with the booing,

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those who say anything

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about the authorities, those who write about them on fences, and

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legally, of course, the funniest

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and most astonishing thing — well, “funniest” thing — is this:

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Leonid Volkov, who is currently under

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arrest. Which is not very funny, of course, but still,

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something extraordinary has happened.

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Volkov is under

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arrest over a rally, and in order to pin

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something else on him, they

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found his tweet with that phrase. Let’s

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show this tweet without any censorship, but

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honestly, it’s not that I’m afraid

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to say it — I already say plenty of things

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on my Twitter — but I just do not

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really want to use any

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very uncensored language here. Still,

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you can see this tweet without any censorship.

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It is simply about a verdict and a

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YouTube video that is posted online.

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It is a verdict: a judge is reading out the sentence, and

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this tweet was deemed an insult to

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the authorities, and Volkov is going to be tried. They are trying

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to classify this as insulting the authorities,

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because next time, for a tweet like that,

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they will be able to jail someone, and so on and so forth.

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So you can see how painfully they

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react, simply trying

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to shut people up.

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It would seem: Twitter, the internet — why

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pay attention to that? What matters to them is

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television, the big social networks,

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Odnoklassniki (a Russian social network), right? But no — here too they need to

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scare everyone a little. And once again I urge everyone

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to act.

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simply refuse to comply with this law en masse

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when it comes to insults, speak plainly

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to be honest, you do not necessarily have to say it in explicit terms

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you do not have to use obscene language, just simply

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say everything you think, everything that

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you feel; at least, that is what I do

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all members of our team do the same

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Volkov does it too, and I

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express my solidarity with him because he

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is sitting under arrest and now also has to

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go through yet another trial for insulting

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the authorities. Vorobey writes to me: tell us about

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Shies. I will, because there are simply

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interesting things happening there, but before that I

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want to tell a rather

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funny story too, about the authorities' fear. In

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fact, this story is about the authorities' fear

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because it is a story about how, for the

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third time, for the third time, our name was stolen

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the name of our party. This program

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is called *Russia of the Future*, and you know

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that we have tried to register the party nine times. We

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held a congress, gathered representatives from the regions, brought

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people together. Under the law, to register a party

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you only need 500 people. Probably

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no one doubts that among our

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supporters there are 500 people, and right now

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this program is live, right

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now, and they are saying 20,000 people

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are watching this program. That means you and I

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could organize 40 political parties right now

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if we split ourselves into

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groups of 500. It is not a problem for

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us to gather 500 people. Nevertheless,

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the party is not being registered; nine times we

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were refused, already eight times refused

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we submitted documents nine times, but they

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need to find a pretext in order to

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deny us

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they cannot exactly claim that we do not have 500

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people, so they steal the name. How does this

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happen? We hold a congress, submit

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the documents. Here are the documents. Our party

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used to be called the People's Alliance party, then

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the Progress Party, and now *Russia of the Future*

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and every time the same thing happens

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some puppet sham party

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holds a congress and renames itself

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from some, I do not know, some stupid

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random name invented by Kremlin crooks

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the party used to be called one thing, and now it

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is called the *Russia of the Future* party. If

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you open the legal entities register right now,

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then the *Russia of the Future* party already

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exists. It is headed by a very

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ridiculous little guy

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who calls himself a lawyer, Dmitry

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Zarin, or Alexander Zorin—he is a

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highly absurd sort of character whose

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job consists of the following: wherever

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we took part in elections, or wherever

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I went on the campaign trail,

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he runs around constantly at rallies

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where I am speaking to people. This happened in

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Kostroma; now you can see it in

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Kaluga probably in this photo; in

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Novosibirsk; in Kostroma Region, I

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spoke in many, many places. You can see

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now in the photo, at this kind of

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press conference, he simply

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came up to me and starts speaking. But we are

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democratic people; we cannot just

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beat him up or throw him out. Besides, we understand

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that he wants to be beaten up

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so he can file a complaint. You see,

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everywhere I go there are these

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you know, like rock musicians have girls

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who follow them around on tour because

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they are in love with the rock star—well,

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there are these little boys from the Kremlin who

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follow me around and try to disrupt

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some of my rallies. This is not

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a big problem for me because, well,

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I can speak under such difficult

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conditions, when people are throwing things,

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shouting, disrupting meetings, or rushing out—

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people like that. I have plenty to argue with them about, and

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I invite them onto the stage myself. Those who have been to my

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meetings know that I say: come on, let us

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talk, let us discuss anything you want

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shall we discuss inequality? Shall we discuss

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poverty? Shall we discuss corruption? Shall we discuss

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healthcare? Education? On

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any of these topics, I am ready to debate. And you

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please explain to us why in Russia

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healthcare is supposedly so great. You must admit, all

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these

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these Kremlin little stooges, in general,

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have nothing to say. So, this

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Zorin is now heading the *Russia of the Future* party

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which is, of course, both ridiculous and annoying

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The name is great, it really works:

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*Russia of the Future*. And it is rather unpleasant

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to think that as early as September some

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truly vile, thieving

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goblins will go into some election, and in the

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ballot it will say *Russia

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of the Future*, and under that name

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the most genuinely nasty rabble

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will be running. It is unpleasant, but

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well, what can you say? They are afraid, afraid

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Why? Because first, once we enter

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the elections, we will immediately clear

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the five-percent threshold in any region

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and in the second cycle, that is, in federal

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elections, we will simply beat United Russia (the ruling party). We

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you and I—this is our common party—we

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will beat United Russia (the ruling party)

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simply because the other parties do nothing

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What is the so-called

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systemic opposition doing?

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It sits there and is terribly afraid

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that it will be driven out of the State

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Duma (the lower house of Russia's parliament), and it protects its own

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seats. But we say normal, sensible

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things and work with people

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so there is no doubt that we will beat

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United Russia (the ruling party). There is no doubt that we are

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it immediately the main opposition party

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we will win parliamentary seats, and people

22:33

who receive diplomas and mandates will

22:35

work and will not be afraid to say what

22:38

they need, and that is why they are not allowing us onto the ballot

22:40

so I return once again: we

22:43

came up with Smart Voting, under which

22:45

yes, we will support the weak

22:48

cowardly systemic parties, but in order

22:51

to reduce United Russia's monopoly

22:54

so please do not delay, right

22:56

now go and register, so

22:58

here I am being asked, Alexei, isn't it

23:02

a popular question: if they know the party

23:05

will not be registered, can it move on to other

23:07

methods, Alexei?

23:08

well, let's be honest: the party is not

23:11

our main method, and our choice will be

23:13

we take part in rallies, they do not give us

23:16

permission

23:17

no one can reproach me for

23:19

being afraid to go out to

23:21

unauthorized protests, no, no one can

23:24

reproach me for that; we conduct investigations

23:26

we spread information, some kind of

23:28

strange homemade television

23:30

we organize; we use many

23:33

different methods, but among other things, you and I have the

23:36

right to register a party, and we

23:38

demand it. I am being asked about

23:41

whether I will sue the Ministry of Justice, and we

23:44

will sue. Well, it is clear that we

23:45

will be refused anyway, but we always carry this

23:46

legal procedure through to

23:49

the end. There are a lot of questions

23:53

a lot of questions, many of this kind

23:56

couldn't the party be called Navalny, or

23:59

couldn't it be named in some other way so

24:01

that the name would not be stolen? Guys, after all

24:04

Navalny is a rare surname, but not

24:06

an exclusive one. If I call the party Navalny

24:08

first of all, the law directly prohibits

24:10

a name containing a surname, but

24:12

even if I say that it is not a surname, that it is

24:14

a pasta trademark, that I will release pasta

24:17

under the brand Navalny, and then for a

24:19

party—well, that is, if I try somehow

24:21

to trick them legally, but legally

24:23

you cannot trick them, because you will come to court and

24:25

they will say: yes, here is a comrade

24:27

Navolny from some town, well, I do not know

24:29

they will find a namesake there, he is also Navalny

24:31

this party belongs to him, and as for us, let us

24:34

register mine now

24:35

as the representative of this party. From this

24:37

point of view, no legal

24:39

tricks work. But nevertheless

24:42

we will keep going anyway, including

24:45

rubbing our hands vindictively, understanding that in

24:47

the beautiful Russia of the future, we will jail

24:49

everyone who engaged in this kind of crap

24:52

so, Alexei, explain: how does the Ministry of Justice

24:55

allow a party to be renamed if it

24:57

had only shortly before accepted the registration

24:58

documents of a new party with that name?

25:00

thank you. I am being asked by de format app

25:02

dev armator; thank you for

25:05

writing something entirely sensible

25:06

that is right: as soon as we submitted to the Ministry of Justice

25:09

the documents of the organizing committee of the Russia

25:11

of the Future party, the Ministry of Justice knew that there were

25:13

people who were registering a party with such a

25:15

name, and they had no right

25:17

to rename some creepy party. But they did rename it

25:19

because in the Ministry of Justice

25:21

sit people who make unlawful decisions

25:25

serving crooks and thieves

25:27

file a complaint, vespucci? Of course we will

25:30

file one, Vespucci

25:32

so yes, that is, we will go through all

25:35

this legal route; it is not

25:36

the only thing we are doing, but

25:38

of course we will go through it. The situation with the

25:41

Superjet—I am following it closely, and

25:45

it seems we are all following it closely

25:47

and people across Russia en masse

25:50

are afraid to fly on these Superjets. About

25:52

them, every day there are news reports saying that

25:53

something on them broke or fell off, and it seems there is already

25:56

not much more to say, but I noticed one

25:59

amazing thing that I want to share with

26:01

you

26:03

but still, you understand, to what extent

26:08

someone's wild stupidity goes. In a normal

26:11

situation, what should happen after

26:13

recently Boeing planes were crashing—not just

26:15

Superjets, Boeing had two planes

26:17

crash, after which Boeing

26:20

admitted that they had some kind of

26:22

malfunction, and flights were suspended

26:24

of Boeing aircraft. In Russia, by the way, there was no such thing, and

26:28

Boeing, well, fixed the

26:31

software and fixed it, and

26:33

the planes returned to the market. That is

26:35

they suspended flights. It seemed

26:38

quite obvious that here we need

26:39

to do the same: while the discussion is ongoing, while

26:42

the investigation is ongoing, in order

26:44

not to put people in danger, just in

26:46

case we suspend flights

26:47

then we try to finish fixing this aircraft

26:50

and return it to the market. It is logical, isn't it?

26:52

Logical. So what does the creative brain of a

26:57

Russian crook do? If you now

26:59

look

27:00

well, if you go to the website of

27:02

Aeroflot, from what I saw recently

27:04

before, when you bought a ticket, you

27:08

were shown the aircraft type there: such-and-such Boeing

27:10

such-and-such Airbus, that is how it used to be

27:12

it said Superjet 100

27:14

now they have changed the name, and now there

27:17

it says not Sukhoi Superjet 100

27:20

large regional aircraft, that is

27:23

you can see this on the official

27:27

website of Aeroflot; this is

27:29

official information

27:31

large regional aircraft, that is

27:33

It’s like they’re admitting that if

27:36

you write “Sukhoi Superjet,” people

27:38

will get scared and won’t fly, or they’ll

27:40

feel some kind of discomfort. But at the

27:42

same time, they’re not taking the plane out of service.

27:45

What kind of hypocrisy is that? I mean,

27:47

you’re disguising your aircraft as a “regional

27:51

large aircraft.” What even is that?

27:54

It’s absurdity, absurdity and deception in every little thing.

27:59

Take it out of service, repair it, and then

28:03

calmly—we’re saying this as normal, sensible

28:05

people—deal with these Superjets.

28:07

Not blow them all up and stop producing them

28:10

forever. Of course Russia needs to

28:13

manufacture airplanes, but then you simply need to

28:15

take them out of service and fix them,

28:19

improve them, spend time on that—

28:20

however long it takes—and bring them back. But no,

28:23

they keep them in service, and so people won’t be afraid, they call it

28:26

a “large regional aircraft.”

28:28

That’s shameful and disgraceful.

28:33

What’s next? Let’s see, I can see that I’m being

28:37

asked by Akella.

28:39

24,000 people are watching us live.

28:41

Alexei, I remember your and Volkov’s tweets about

28:43

the quality of education at your Higher

28:45

School of Economics. I don’t agree with that, but could

28:47

you comment on it yourself

28:49

and talk about the situation? Thanks, Akella.

28:51

If you yourself study at the Higher School

28:54

of Economics, then I’d like to hear your

28:57

comments, because the story

28:59

is that, indeed, Leonid

29:01

Volkov some time ago

29:03

was criticizing on Twitter the quality

29:06

of education at the Higher School of Economics. There was

29:08

an actual scandal when graduates

29:11

and current students of the Higher School

29:14

wrote, “Why are you being so

29:16

harsh about our university?”

29:19

Well, no, I wasn’t attacking the Higher School

29:21

of Economics. There are a huge number of

29:23

wonderful students there; we have

29:24

lots of people from the Higher School of Economics working with us.

29:27

What I certainly did say, and still say, is that it disgusts me

29:30

to see that the supervisory board

29:32

of the Higher School of Economics is headed

29:33

by Volodin (a senior Russian official) at one point—a plagiarist, a crook,

29:36

just [__]—and now it’s occupied by another

29:39

great “statesman,” Kiriyenko (a senior Kremlin official). I don’t understand

29:41

how one of the country’s best educational institutions,

29:44

or an institution claiming

29:46

to be the best, can have Volodin or

29:48

Kiriyenko heading its supervisory board.

29:51

And it’s also upsetting and disgusting that

29:55

the rector of the Higher School of Economics is a United Russia party member,

29:58

and was trying to run for the Moscow City Duma.

30:00

What has happened now is, in a way,

30:03

yet another really, really nasty thing, and I

30:06

very much hope that Higher School of Economics students,

30:08

especially those who were offended and

30:11

so proud of their university, will also

30:13

react somehow. Because Lyubov Sobol

30:16

when she was a Moscow City Duma candidate, was

30:18

invited to some talk show

30:21

made by journalism faculty students,

30:23

as I understand it. It’s a talk show

30:26

that became known when they

30:30

invited Peskov (Putin’s press secretary), and then recordings

30:33

of how Peskov answered questions

30:35

leaked onto the internet and were deleted

30:37

after some time. In other words, they had

30:39

this kind of show, this class, where they invite

30:43

politicians or just some well-known

30:44

people and question them. And at some

30:46

point they invited Sobol. Sobol

30:48

said, “Yes, I’ll come,” after which this

30:51

entire little club was simply shut down.

30:53

And today Mediazona published a big

30:55

piece about it. The head of

30:58

this project basically wrote, “Guys,

31:00

things are changing; our project is closing.”

31:03

If you go to the Higher School of Economics website

31:05

and look at the “Our

31:07

Principles” section, you’ll see things there that

31:10

would bring tears to your eyes:

31:11

openness, honesty, transparency,

31:14

high ethical standards.

31:15

But it turns out none of that exists.

31:18

It turns out that there, at least in

31:20

this situation, we saw cowardice, we

31:22

saw deference to United Russia members, we

31:25

saw double standards. So Peskov

31:28

can come there, a United Russia politician working for

31:33

United Russia, a Moscow City Duma deputy,

31:35

Kuzminov can be rector, but candidate

31:37

Sobol says she’ll come, and because of that

31:39

they immediately shut it all down. So, Higher

31:42

School of Economics students who are watching this

31:45

program: don’t be pathetic cowards.

31:48

Say something about this. By the way,

31:51

today I saw several great

31:52

actions by Higher School of Economics professors

31:54

who, at the very least,

31:56

are asking Kuzminov questions, saying,

31:58

“Isn’t this a double standard?” I mean, I’m not

32:01

expecting you to start

32:03

a strike right now or block the entrance, but

32:06

at least say a few words, if you still have

32:09

some sense of

32:10

self-respect left. I’m told the talk show is called

32:13

*To the Point: Persona*.

32:15

I’m being prompted here: look on Mediazona,

32:18

there’s a big article on this topic there.

32:20

Read it—it’s very interesting. The series *Chernobyl*—

32:23

a lot of people are asking me about it,

32:27

and people are watching it very actively in

32:32

Russia.

32:33

Not only because it’s about Chernobyl,

32:36

but because it’s about our recent history.

32:38

It’s like—we see there some kind of

32:41

funny and sad things;

32:45

they show you the Soviet Union of 1986,

32:48

and it feels close to us.

32:49

Even for those who were born after that, it’s

32:51

a really great series. It’s being

32:53

watched and discussed by the whole world right now.

32:54

Please show the ratings—the latest one.

32:56

The latest, latest ranking on IMDb.

32:59

And most importantly, most importantly, there’s a site like that in the world

33:04

where they rate all kinds of

33:07

TV series—you can see that *Chernobyl* is now

33:08

in first place in the world. People all over the world

33:11

are watching it. I highly recommend it—I’ve watched

33:14

only two episodes so far. It’s a great series,

33:16

absolutely.

33:17

But what I wanted to say now is this:

33:20

amazingly, our various, well, TV

33:25

crooks and state propagandists

33:28

have already started attacking this series,

33:31

*Chernobyl*, because apparently

33:35

it blackens Soviet reality, and supposedly

33:38

it was made on behalf of some competitors.

33:41

An article came out in *Komsomolskaya Pravda* (a Russian tabloid newspaper) saying

33:43

that this series was released by certain

33:45

competitors of Rosatom (Russia’s state nuclear corporation) in order to somehow

33:48

harm Russia. Good Lord,

33:50

what complete [__] they are. If only they would just

33:53

watch this series, *Chernobyl*—well,

33:56

where it’s not exactly glorifying them, but where

34:00

the finest people in the world are shown—those

34:02

firefighters—where what’s shown is precisely the

34:05

tragedy and heroism

34:07

of people. And in that sense, the British and

34:09

Americans who made this series,

34:12

they tell this story with real affection, and

34:14

most importantly, about the ordinary people who were

34:16

at the center of it. But our propagandists even

34:20

try to turn this into some kind of

34:22

attack on Russia. Let’s

34:23

take a look—here’s the report that Rossiya 24 (Russian state TV channel)

34:27

did on it, saying that it is literally

34:29

a terrible film and hawkish propaganda from

34:33

across the Potomac. Rossiya 24 on the series *Chernobyl*:

34:36

The new series

34:37

*Chernobyl* has sparked a storm of discussion, and

34:41

the creators insist that only they

34:43

will finally tell the truth about that terrible

34:46

tragedy. In an interview with the BBC, the producer

34:49

of the series, Craig Mazin, is asked

34:52

why he thinks that he

34:54

got to the truth, and Mazin replies that

34:57

he fought with all his might against, quote,

34:59

“a global assault on the truth,” and that,

35:02

again quoting,

35:03

“if there were different versions of events, we”

35:06

that is, the creators of the series chose

35:08

the least

35:09

sensational one, emphasizing that the film

35:13

meticulously assembles the truth about Chernobyl.

35:16

The authors even began the first episode with the words

35:19

“What is the cost of lies?” And the problem is not that

35:25

we mistake them for the truth. The real

35:28

danger is that if we hear enough lies,

35:30

then eventually it becomes impossible

35:32

to recognize the truth. But do you know why

35:35

the authors of the series choose speculation about

35:38

a bloody Russia over the truth about the terrible

35:41

catastrophe? They themselves say so at the

35:44

beginning: “What is the cost of lies?” And

35:50

these terrible British people made a terrible series

35:53

that darkens Soviet reality.

35:55

But the thing is, that reality—

35:59

what happened in Chernobyl—was

36:02

truly a monstrous catastrophe

36:04

caused, among other things, by constant

36:07

lies.

36:08

Disgusting, vile lies from the people who

36:11

sat in Moscow and Kyiv, all that

36:13

Soviet leadership. I’m just, well,

36:16

speaking about this a little emotionally

36:19

because, in a way, this is

36:20

my family’s story. All my

36:22

relatives on my father’s side are from

36:24

Chernobyl. I spent every summer there. I

36:27

was in Pripyat and in Chernobyl. Our grandmother

36:30

lived in a village right nearby,

36:32

near Chernobyl. They evacuated everyone, all my

36:35

relatives—they were all resettled. Now they live in

36:37

different parts of the country, in different parts

36:39

of Ukraine, because they were exactly those

36:42

so-called “Chernobyl hedgehogs,” as they were all

36:44

mockingly called when they moved

36:46

somewhere else.

36:47

And after the accident, I’ve been there a million times.

36:50

I’ve been to Pripyat, and even to the plant itself—I

36:53

was there. You actually can go there quite easily.

36:55

During the May holidays, they let in everyone

36:57

who once lived there so that they can

36:59

visit the graves of their relatives, and I

37:02

have been in that exclusion zone many times.

37:04

Simply from my relatives, I know very well

37:07

this whole story of

37:10

endless lying—when it seemed that everyone already

37:13

knew that something at the plant had

37:14

exploded,

37:15

but they still kept silent and sent people out there

37:19

to plant potatoes—collective farm workers—

37:22

even though they were digging with their own

37:25

hands

37:25

right there in that settling

37:28

radioactive dust, receiving enormous

37:31

doses of radiation. It was just lies.

37:34

Everyone already knew there had been an explosion at the plant, but

37:37

so that foreigners wouldn’t find out, so that

37:40

they could simply hide it—I don’t even know

37:43

from whom—so as not to

37:45

admit the catastrophe, the authorities of that time

37:48

the Soviet bosses and all those

37:49

people—they sacrificed human lives. And I want

37:52

to say that in this series, *Chernobyl*,

37:55

well, even

37:57

why you really can’t make claims against the British

38:00

for this

38:01

is that, it seems to me, they portrayed many people

38:05

even a little better than they really were. For example,

38:07

the main scientist character is shown

38:12

as, well, at least in the first episodes,

38:13

such a good, humane

38:16

person who is trying to change all this.

38:18

Well, let’s look—there are archival recordings of him.

38:21

Here he is in real life; now we’ll

38:23

see how he tells those liquidators at the

38:26

Chernobyl plant, well, that

38:28

basically radiation, radio—radio

38:31

activity—it’s not really all that harmful.

38:33

archival footage from Chernobyl

38:35

and if you look at 1986, with those upbeat images at the gates

38:40

exactly, now I weigh—worked for 64 years

38:46

with the source, for the kids, it was supposedly fine

38:52

this part of the pelvis and the regulating...

38:58

in any case, like pepper, like a dart

39:00

in small doses it stimulates, in larger doses...

39:04

whereas some larger doses are harmful

39:07

but still, small amounts are supposedly stimulating

39:10

doses of radiation, and medium doses in general

39:12

were said to be harmless—this is what they told the people who

39:14

were supposed to go out there with shovels and throw away

39:17

that radioactive gravel. Well, it’s obvious that

39:20

in that monstrous situation, they probably

39:23

they probably knew exactly; all of them, including

39:26

those who were sacrificing themselves, were not

39:28

forced to deceive people and say, yes,

39:30

nothing страшного, the children will be fine

39:32

in fact, the children will be even better off now—everyone went

39:35

out there, I don’t know, to dig around in that gravel, in

39:37

that debris, because otherwise it

39:41

couldn’t be done. But one way or another, it was

39:45

a colossal, monstrous lie told to their own

39:48

citizens. And a criminal lie very often

39:51

let’s look at May 1 in Kyiv

39:55

they held it there—the explosion had happened on April 26, and all of it

39:58

was in the air, the clouds had drifted away

40:01

toward Belarus and even reached Norway

40:07

these zones of poisoned air—well, not poisoned,

40:10

but radioactive air—were being detected all over

40:12

the world; they were registering elevated radiation, and in Kyiv

40:16

they held the May Day demonstration. Here are 25

40:19

seconds of the 1986 May Day demonstration

40:22

in Kyiv

40:23

poison all around

40:28

[music]

40:42

uh

40:48

everyone already knew, everyone knew—you couldn’t breathe this air

40:53

people should have been told: don’t

40:55

go outside, don’t breathe the open air

40:58

the less contact you have with the ground, the better. Nevertheless

41:00

there was the May Day demonstration, and they were carrying

41:03

children there. Why did this have to be done?

41:04

simply—just the tradition of lying, so that

41:07

foreigners

41:09

would see that everything was fine. So let’s

41:12

send hundreds of thousands of people out into the streets

41:14

and those collective farm workers—my

41:16

relatives, say—let them go and plant

41:17

potatoes, or whatever it was they were planting, so that

41:19

everyone could see that Soviet

41:21

citizens were experiencing no

41:24

problems because of the radiation—they were planting

41:26

their little potatoes, and in Kyiv here

41:28

there were demonstrations, everything absolutely normal

41:30

all just so that in the first weeks

41:35

Gorbachev and the party bosses could lie over

41:37

the phone to world leaders—they drove

41:42

hundreds of thousands of people out to sacrifice their health

41:45

under that very radiation. That’s what the film is about

41:47

the film is not about some supposedly bad

41:50

Russians—there were Russians there, Ukrainians, whoever

41:52

they were, they are portrayed wonderfully in this film

41:54

it’s the lie of the authorities—that’s what is truly monstrous

41:58

I urge everyone to watch it; it should be mentioned that

42:00

it’s genuinely an excellent film, very easy to watch

42:01

very gripping. This is our shared

42:03

history. The disaster at the Chernobyl

42:05

nuclear power plant became, in my view, one

42:08

of the main reasons for the collapse

42:10

of the Soviet Union. The Soviet

42:11

economy simply could no longer bear all of it

42:13

relocating huge numbers of people

42:16

all of that, and then sooner or later

42:18

the truth came out, and the Soviet Union, among other things,

42:22

collapsed because of it as well. So we simply

42:24

need to know this history very well

42:26

all of it, and looking at this, yes, looking at

42:30

this endless lying, we should say that

42:32

this must never be allowed to happen again

42:34

we must never allow

42:36

the authorities to lie like this, because those lies

42:40

end up costing tens of thousands of

42:43

people dearly, in the form of

42:45

cancer, shortened

42:47

life expectancy, and so on and so forth

42:49

do watch it

42:50

all right, please show me if there are

42:52

any questions—I’ll answer them while they’re looking

42:57

for a question for me, and I want to tell you about

42:59

a rebellious TV host

43:01

Dmitry Dibrov—you probably remember him

43:05

for a time he was unquestionably the most

43:12

famous TV presenter in the country. He was

43:14

on Channel One, and he was

43:16

that kind of joker, a lively entertainer

43:19

well, in general—I don’t know him personally, I’m not

43:22

acquainted with him—but he seemed like a pleasant guy on

43:24

television. Everyone liked him very much. He was

43:26

incredibly famous. I’m sure that

43:28

even now

43:30

if you saw him, even if you don’t watch his

43:33

programs, you’d know who he is

43:35

he hosts something on Channel One and

43:37

also hosts something on the Zvezda TV channel

43:40

and then something remarkable happened to him

43:43

an absolutely striking situation, when we saw that

43:45

well, even a person who

43:47

had made his peace with it, a person who works for

43:51

the Zvezda channel—which is a vile

43:54

propaganda dump of a TV channel

43:56

Zvezda, the Defense Ministry’s channel, where

43:58

they gathered the most disgusting, vile

44:01

liars, and of course they assembled them there on the understanding that

44:05

they would lie; they probably have it in their

44:07

contracts that you

44:08

have to lie seven times a day, and then

44:11

you’ll get paid; if you lie 12 times a day

44:14

then you’ll get an extra bonus

44:16

or something. And Dmitry Dibrov, unfortunately,

44:19

worked for that TV channel, unfortunately

44:21

Zvezda. But then there was simply

44:24

some kind of catharsis, when once again they handed him

44:26

a script in which he

44:33

was naturally supposed to talk about

44:34

the harmfulness of Orange Revolutions (a reference to post-Soviet pro-democracy protest movements), and then

44:38

Dmitry

44:39

said the following—though the video isn’t quite clear there

44:42

There’s only audio, but there’s a transcript.

44:43

Listen to this — it’s really, really interesting.

44:46

Dmitry Dibrov

44:47

says he won’t put up with it anymore.

44:50

highway

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45:22

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45:41

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45:53

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46:06

It’s always very interesting, right, when

46:09

a person just sits there and endures, endures, endures

46:11

endures.

46:12

And not only does he endure it, he also works for

46:14

the Zvezda TV channel, goes on air, and then at

46:17

some point he just suddenly loses it,

46:20

and starts shouting: yes, I’m not going to keep

46:21

“sucking up to them” anymore, as Dibrov put it, and “I’m waiting

46:25

for a color revolution,” and he just spilled everything

46:27

that had been in his head, about how

46:30

all of them — why is it that the Agriculture Ministry isn’t headed by

46:33

someone else, but again by a Patrushev?

46:35

He’s speaking directly about what — about what

46:37

the whole country is thinking: why the hell do we have

46:40

first Rosselkhozbank, and now

46:42

the Agriculture Ministry headed by the son of a former

46:45

FSB director? Why is this happening?

46:47

Why do these colonels have

46:50

25 apartments and 12 billion rubles (about $130 million) in cash at home?

46:52

These thieves need to be driven out, the way

46:55

the Georgians drove them out, the way the Ukrainians drove them out.

46:57

In other words, what we’ve been talking about

47:00

isn’t

47:01

shocking news to us, right — but they

47:05

kept silent about it.

47:06

They preferred not

47:08

to talk about it anywhere at all.

47:09

They were thinking about it too, and it’s just funny

47:12

that the exact same thing is happening in all

47:13

their heads too — whether it’s Yekaterina Andreyeva

47:16

or Dmitry Kiselyov.

47:17

They think the same thing, even though he’s just as much

47:20

a crook and a thief as Solovyov.

47:22

Well yes, you have to understand that they don’t like it either.

47:26

Despite the fact that

47:28

they’re complete crooks,

47:30

they still understand that it cannot be normal

47:32

for an FSB colonel to have 12

47:36

billion rubles (about $130 million) in cash at home. And if

47:39

there are 12 billion rubles in cash there,

47:41

then obviously it’s not just his money,

47:43

but the money of the rest of the FSB leadership as well.

47:46

It’s a common fund — and what does that mean? It means the FSB is

47:49

an organized criminal group

47:53

with a common fund, with

47:55

apartments stuffed with cash, with €500 notes

47:59

and 5,000-ruble bills.

48:01

They come there with suitcases and take this

48:04

cash. How can anyone trust

48:07

the security services after that? It’s impossible. And

48:09

it’s the same with the police — they’re all like that.

48:12

And this man, with his script,

48:15

as I understand it, Dibrov was holding some kind of

48:18

script where he was condemning revolutions, and then

48:20

he just broke through completely.

48:22

It was absolutely amazing. After that he sort of

48:25

walked it back a little, but he confirmed that

48:27

it was his voice. He said, yes, that I’m

48:30

against corruption, but this

48:32

really happened. It’s just very interesting.

48:34

I remember there used to be a joke a long time ago

48:38

that Yekaterina Andreyeva, the host of

48:39

Channel One, gets drunk after every

48:42

broadcast. And now we can see, for example,

48:46

with Dibrov too, what is really going on in

48:48

these people’s heads, and how quickly

48:51

the whole damn thing will collapse to hell

48:54

when some kind of breakthrough happens,

48:57

when there’s just a little more pressure, when 10 people like

48:59

Dibrov say it out loud.

49:01

Everyone thinks Putin’s regime is

49:03

something powerful. But then look — there’s

49:06

Dibrov jumping out and yelling, “I don’t want this anymore,”

49:09

“I want a Maidan (mass protest movement, referring to Ukraine),” he shouts.

49:13

“I’ve never said on this program that I

49:14

welcome color revolutions — give me

49:16

a Maidan at my home in Rostov-on-Don.”

49:18

So where are the radicals? The radicals work at

49:21

the TV channel.

49:21

Yes, that’s how it works. And this whole Putin

49:25

power vertical, of course, can

49:27

keep existing for quite a long time, but

49:29

it’s also quite possible that it

49:32

just falls apart all at once. Who could have

49:35

imagined, in 1986,

49:37

that in Kyiv people could still be sent out to

49:40

a May Day demonstration even though in Kyiv

49:42

everyone already knew then

49:44

that the Chernobyl plant had exploded?

49:45

Who could have imagined that the Soviet Union

49:48

would soon come to an end, and

49:49

Putin’s Russia

49:50

will end the same way — unfortunately, before that

49:54

making all of us much

49:56

poorer, just as happened in

50:01

the Soviet Union. So, I see here

50:03

someone is writing to me something about Kiselyov, that he

50:05

is hosting some expensive concert in Dubai.

50:08

I don’t know — this Dmitry Kiselyov is hardly likely to

50:10

be running any

50:13

concerts. Ivan Grigoryev

50:15

asks me: “Alexei, do you watch

50:17

opposition YouTube channels?” What is an

50:19

opposition YouTube channel? But yes, I watch

50:21

— I think I more or less

50:27

watch almost everything you would call

50:30

opposition YouTube channels, if

50:32

I have time, if I see that the link is

50:34

about an interesting topic, then I watch it,

50:36

I just click on the timestamp and watch

50:37

some bits and pieces. Right now, actually,

50:40

any YouTube channel that isn’t censored

50:43

is effectively an opposition channel. Take vDud, for example —

50:45

is that an opposition channel? No.

50:47

It’s just that the guy does normal

50:49

interviews and regularly asks people

50:51

about politics.

50:52

But based on what those people say,

50:55

it ends up being an opposition channel anyway.

50:58

because right now the truth has become a kind of

51:01

oppositional force: if the official version is

51:03

nothing but deceit and lies,

51:04

then the truth itself becomes the opposition, so

51:07

I want to talk about this. I’ve been getting a lot of messages

51:09

about this town in Arkhangelsk Oblast (a region in northern Russia),

51:11

which

51:12

whose residents I support,

51:15

and try to keep supporting, and I would like

51:17

to show you a video. These are people in black, people in

51:22

masks. You know, we created

51:24

special forces, we support them so that

51:27

they can go after actual criminals,

51:30

so they can protect us from

51:32

the most

51:33

violent and dangerous people—cases that ordinary

51:36

unarmed police officers are not equipped to handle. For

51:40

a drunk

51:40

or some hooligan, there are police to detain and take them away. There are

51:43

armed police officers to

51:45

confront someone armed,

51:48

say, a thug with a knife. And then there are special forces,

51:51

meant for catching bandits, robbers,

51:54

and other dangerous people. And when I watched

51:56

these two videos—yes, and now

52:00

you’ll see footage of an arrest—look at this.

52:02

The police look like some kind of ninjas.

52:05

They’ve hidden their faces because they’re

52:07

afraid, because they’re ashamed. This is how arrests

52:09

are carried out in Arkhangelsk

52:11

Oblast.

52:18

They drag people away and

52:21

it turns out they decided to

52:24

—I showed you—

52:26

either under the arm

52:27

Do you want to? Fine. No.

52:30

Over the police—Boris, come on, Valentina.

52:35

Yes, where from?

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52:45

split.

53:15

Even

53:32

in masks and body armor, with OMON (Russian riot police) written across their backs,

53:35

they’re OMON, they get early retirement, they

53:39

go home and say, of course, that they’re on the

53:41

front line here, standing guard, protecting

53:44

public order. But in reality, they’re dealing with some

53:46

woman who, in a raised voice,

53:49

quite politely, is demanding

53:51

that they show identification. ‘You are suspected’—

53:53

just as he said a moment ago—‘you are

53:55

suspected of having committed a crime.’

53:57

After that, people in masks, too ashamed

54:01

to show their faces, drag away and detain

54:04

these people who came there to protest

54:07

against Sobyanin and Chaika (Russian officials)

54:11

making money by hauling

54:13

Moscow’s waste there, to that miserable

54:17

Shies station, instead of recycling it the way

54:19

it’s done all over the world. In small

54:22

countries, somehow, the garbage problem has been solved.

54:24

There are no giant landfills in the Netherlands or Germany;

54:27

recycling is happening. But here,

54:30

they just need to dump it there, and if not, then

54:33

these scumbags in black masks step in.

54:36

For 32 seconds, you can watch how they escort detained women.

54:41

It’s just an ordinary

54:42

—as if they were taking me to

54:44

some especially dangerous criminal—but

54:46

there, at Shies, it looks much more

54:49

dramatic. Thirty-two seconds.

54:58

You are the reason nature is where it is

54:59

What are they taking you for? Right nearby.

55:23

The only thing missing is chains, you know,

55:26

some shackles on their feet,

55:28

maybe a special red suit too, and around them

55:31

30 OMON officers in masks with batons,

55:35

armed—as if this were Dr. Lecter

55:38

in *The Silence of the Lambs*. We’ve seen what kind of

55:40

security measures are now

55:42

being taken against women in

55:45

Arkhangelsk, at this Shies station.

55:47

You can see there’s nothing there—they’re leading them along

55:50

the tracks simply because there is absolutely nothing there,

55:53

just taiga, no infrastructure. Life is hard for people there,

55:56

but the one thing

55:59

our state is willing to spend money on

56:02

is sending them these

56:03

thugs in masks who will go after

56:05

people carrying perfectly justified signs. I

56:09

saw one woman’s sign, yes, saying that

56:11

‘Dear police officers, you will hear many

56:14

curses, but you have earned every one

56:16

of them.’ What is happening now in

56:18

Arkhangelsk

56:19

is truly something for which they have earned

56:23

those curses—in Arkhangelsk Oblast,

56:26

both the police and the authorities, the Moscow authorities

56:28

and the authorities of Arkhangelsk Oblast. Once again, this is the third

56:31

program in a row where I’ve talked about this, but I won’t get tired of

56:34

doing it. Maybe I’ve worn you out a little

56:36

by bringing up this topic, but still I

56:38

express my solidarity and support. I

56:40

urge everyone to go there, and people are going there now.

56:43

A tent camp has been set up there.

56:44

What’s striking is that Russian Railways

56:47

stopped—or rather, no longer stops—trains at this

56:49

Shies station so that people would not

56:51

come there from Kotlas or other

56:54

nearby towns in support. They

56:57

said that, you know, for technical

56:59

reasons, trains will now simply not

57:01

stop at this station; they will just

57:03

keep going. People were saying, practically,

57:05

that they’d have to jump off while the train was moving.

57:07

And besides the protest itself, there are also

57:09

ordinary people who simply need to get to

57:11

the station. But no one cares about those people; our

57:13

train just passes by. So

57:17

I support everyone there, I urge people to go there,

57:19

and I urge them not to give up, especially since

57:21

Putin himself said that all this should be done

57:24

with the views

57:27

of local residents taken into account. Well then, take them into account. It seems to me

57:29

that the opinion of local residents is quite

57:31

unambiguous. If a referendum were held in the region right now,

57:32

the result would be 99.9 percent.

57:35

And police officers, OMON, and

57:38

everyone else should simply

57:40

It’s genuinely shameful that they betray and

57:42

insult their own citizens. So, Ramira

57:47

asks me: what do you think about

57:48

the outrage from Russian power structures

57:50

over the launch of Starlink satellites

57:52

by Elon Musk and the subsequent distribution of

57:53

internet access across Russia?

57:55

As I understand it, dear Ramira, it’s not

57:58

really going to work as a system where

58:01

you and I just pull out a mobile phone and

58:02

boom — catch internet directly from a satellite.

58:05

That’s not how it works. There has to be

58:07

some kind of ground equipment right away, and

58:09

one way or another, that ground equipment

58:11

will be connected to our

58:14

providers, and therefore to Roskomnadzor (Russia’s media and communications watchdog).

58:16

But even so, just in case,

58:18

our authorities are, of course, against all of

58:21

this, because they do not like any

58:24

possibility — even a theoretical one — or even the idea

58:28

that you might be able to receive

58:31

or spread information freely,

58:34

or that you might be able to write whatever

58:35

tweets you want, or that you might be able to

58:37

while living in a remote area, report and post videos about

58:41

what is happening there. That’s why they, just

58:43

in case, come up with things to

58:46

block Elon Musk’s satellite internet.

58:48

I think that in the near future

58:50

they will direct some extraordinary

58:52

efforts toward this.

58:55

Because, well, for them everything depends on it.

58:59

If they stop shutting you up,

59:01

this government will collapse fairly quickly. We

59:04

started the program with this: we can see how

59:06

their ratings are falling in a simply dramatic way.

59:07

And what’s very interesting is that, on the one hand,

59:11

we see that they have developed

59:14

a set of rules for you and me about what we can

59:17

write and what we cannot write. It is

59:19

spelled out quite clearly. In particular, we

59:22

cannot criticize Putin, we

59:25

cannot use the word “suicide,” we

59:27

must not insult the authorities, we must not

59:29

criticize United Russia (the ruling political party), we must not

59:31

talk about officials’ property, and

59:34

there is a whole set of

59:36

organizations that we are supposed to label in some way.

59:38

For example, if you say ISIS,

59:40

you have to say “a terrorist organization

59:41

banned on the territory of the Russian

59:43

Federation.” In any newspaper you will find

59:45

this footnote: if you see “Taliban,” you must

59:50

write “a terrorist organization

59:51

banned on the territory of the Russian

59:53

Federation,” because the Taliban

59:55

has been included on the list of terrorist

59:57

organizations; it is banned. So, in theory,

1:00:00

if you, dear viewer, tomorrow

1:00:02

write somewhere on VKontakte, “You know, I

1:00:05

decided to stand up for the Taliban,” you will be arrested

1:00:07

immediately, you will be declared a terrorist, your

1:00:10

accounts will be frozen, you will be put on a list — well,

1:00:12

you have effectively declared that you are a member of a

1:00:14

terrorist organization, because

1:00:17

our state, the FSB (Russia’s Federal Security Service), and everyone else

1:00:19

have decided

1:00:21

that the Taliban is terrorism. And who do we

1:00:24

see in the center of Moscow?

1:00:27

And in state institutions?

1:00:30

Who are these nice bearded guys?

1:00:33

Let’s watch 37 seconds. Who are our

1:00:36

friends, our allies? Who are these dear guests

1:00:38

who come to Moscow?

1:00:40

37 seconds

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1:01:19

Yes.

1:01:20

These nice bearded men are the leaders

1:01:24

of the Taliban movement — in other words, a

1:01:26

delegation of terrorists according to our

1:01:29

law — who came to Moscow

1:01:32

to hold talks, and everyone

1:01:33

receives them, smiles at them, says how wonderful they are.

1:01:37

But if you are a representative

1:01:40

of an independent media outlet and write something

1:01:42

mentioning the Taliban the wrong way, you will get

1:01:44

a warning, and then your license will be revoked.

1:01:46

This happened to *The New Times* magazine.

1:01:48

They wrote something there about Putin’s daughter,

1:01:51

and then in that same issue

1:01:53

they mentioned ISIS without adding the required label about

1:01:55

it being a banned organization — and bang,

1:01:58

they were immediately issued a warning. After

1:02:00

a second warning, the license gets revoked.

1:02:03

I simply want to say that, well,

1:02:05

politics is politics: yesterday we were not friendly with

1:02:07

the Taliban, and today we have decided

1:02:09

to be friendly with the Taliban. Well then, at least

1:02:12

take it off the list

1:02:14

of terrorist organizations. At the very least,

1:02:15

leave us alone — at least allow us

1:02:18

to say the word “Taliban” without the idiotic

1:02:20

tagline. And anyway, why is it needed?

1:02:22

Why does every article have to say

1:02:24

this nonsense: “an organization recognized as,”

1:02:27

blah blah blah, “terrorist”? But that is how

1:02:29

this state of hypocrisy works. First

1:02:31

we jail everyone, first we issue

1:02:34

warnings and sanctions against media outlets

1:02:36

because you are not allowed to write

1:02:39

the word “Taliban,” and then it’s bread and salt (a traditional Russian welcome), welcome

1:02:42

to Moscow — and now your hands are no longer

1:02:44

stained with blood,

1:02:46

but simply a bold handshake

1:02:49

with our partners in the Republic of Afghanistan.

1:02:53

This is, frankly speaking,

1:02:56

frankly, something disgusting. Lately, we have

1:03:00

constantly been seeing various

1:03:02

fights — you see fights involving journalists,

1:03:05

United Russia members, all these constant clashes.

1:03:08

And one of the most remarkable fights

1:03:09

I have seen — remarkable in the most

1:03:11

disgusting and

1:03:12

revealing way, showing the degree

1:03:17

of sheer brazenness, you might say, of those people

1:03:21

who are convinced of their own impunity — was

1:03:23

a fight between a traffic cop and a police officer. Well,

1:03:28

more precisely, between a man

1:03:30

who calls himself and is referred to as

1:03:32

by many of his supporters as an honest

1:03:34

traffic cop, and one of the senior officials, and

1:03:36

the son of one of the Interior Ministry officials in

1:03:40

the city of Surgut. Let’s look at

1:03:41

the 37:38 mark. Here is what this very

1:03:44

"honest traffic cop"

1:03:45

says about this incident: On May 2 of this

1:03:48

year, I left my house,

1:03:49

got into my car, and drove to work.

1:03:52

While driving, I saw a car,

1:03:54

a Toyota Camry,

1:03:55

which kept slowing down and then speeding up.

1:03:57

While it was moving, I also noticed that its license plate was

1:04:00

partially concealed with adhesive tape. I called

1:04:02

the duty unit in Surgut and reported

1:04:04

it. The duty officer asked me not

1:04:06

to hang up and to keep updating them on

1:04:08

the car’s movements. At the moment

1:04:11

when the car pulled up to a store, I

1:04:14

approached it and addressed the driver,

1:04:15

explaining that

1:04:17

traffic police officers would arrive shortly, and since the plate was concealed,

1:04:21

they would draw up an administrative report. At

1:04:23

that moment, the driver of the car suddenly

1:04:26

lurched forward, turned the wheel sharply, and began

1:04:28

to flee, picking up speed. I

1:04:31

continued relaying the car’s movements and passed

1:04:33

the information to the city duty unit. At

1:04:35

some point, the car stopped and

1:04:37

the driver began tearing off

1:04:39

the adhesive tape from his license plate. The thing is,

1:04:41

this young man in the leather

1:04:43

jacket is a police major,

1:04:46

serving as a senior operative

1:04:48

in a department in the city of Surgut,

1:04:50

and is also the son

1:04:52

of the acting head of the

1:04:55

Russian Interior Ministry directorate for the city of Surgut, Colonel

1:04:57

of the Internal Service, Vladimir Babushkin,

1:05:00

Anatolyevich.

1:05:01

I ask the Chairman of the Investigative

1:05:03

Committee of Russia to conduct a review under

1:05:06

Articles 144 and 145.

1:05:08

Given that he himself

1:05:10

is a police officer, and his own

1:05:13

father heads the department of the

1:05:15

city’s Interior Ministry office, I ask you to take this

1:05:19

appeal under your personal supervision. Minister

1:05:21

of Internal Affairs of Russia, I ask you to order

1:05:23

an internal review.

1:05:26

Look at how many layers there are to this

1:05:29

story, which perfectly

1:05:31

reflects what is happening in our country.

1:05:33

So, there is the acting head of the city’s Interior Ministry directorate,

1:05:38

in Surgut,

1:05:39

Vladimir Babushkin. He has a son, a police major,

1:05:42

who also works in the same

1:05:45

police force. But frankly, this situation

1:05:49

should not be like this. Most likely, after all,

1:05:51

law enforcement is one of those places

1:05:54

where we would prefer not to see

1:05:56

nepotism, right? It just shouldn’t be that

1:05:58

the father is the boss, and the son is

1:06:00

already some kind of major there, doing something.

1:06:02

Then this son, for some reason,

1:06:06

covers his license plate with tape. We understand

1:06:09

why the hell he does it: to fool the cameras,

1:06:11

so he doesn’t have to pay

1:06:13

fines, simply to avoid them. In other words,

1:06:15

he is committing an offense. Who

1:06:18

does that? People who

1:06:20

are inclined to break the law, to

1:06:22

systematically break the law. If

1:06:24

you’ve taped over your plate, that just means

1:06:26

you know you commit several

1:06:28

traffic violations a day and don’t want those violations

1:06:32

to be recorded, don’t want to be

1:06:34

fined. So he’s just that kind of

1:06:36

offender. He tapes it over, and then when someone

1:06:38

stops you, you just start fighting and

1:06:40

beating some guy. He’s filming it on

1:06:43

camera, obviously on his phone. And apparently

1:06:45

he’s some local blogger, a fairly

1:06:48

scandalous guy. But you don’t care,

1:06:50

because your dad is the top

1:06:52

cop. Then later, supposedly,

1:06:54

we’ll smash their faces in—we’re the authorities, we’re the ones in charge

1:06:57

here. We’ll tape over plates and beat people’s faces

1:06:59

in, and do whatever else we want here,

1:07:02

because we’re untouchable. There have been a great many stories out of Surgut

1:07:04

about exactly this sort of thing—in Mediazona (an independent Russian outlet),

1:07:05

you can read about torture and about

1:07:08

total police lawlessness.

1:07:09

In other words, legalized bandits, even in

1:07:14

the little things—bandits and crooks, taping over plates

1:07:17

and not giving a damn about anything. But

1:07:19

now, after this has blown up into a

1:07:21

major

1:07:22

scandal, as I understand it, this

1:07:25

major has been dismissed from the force, or at least

1:07:28

an investigation has begun against him. You

1:07:30

see, it’s the very fact of it, you understand.

1:07:32

They all need to be thrown out. They need

1:07:34

to all be fired for placing their own

1:07:36

children in these jobs, for some absurd reason

1:07:38

covering up their license plates, because

1:07:41

this is possible in the first place only because this kind of behavior

1:07:43

is tolerated and encouraged. And it’s everywhere. This is what

1:07:46

law enforcement agencies in Russia have

1:07:49

turned into. It was like this in the 1990s, too.

1:07:53

I remember very well how people said about Putin

1:07:57

that Putin had restored order because he

1:07:59

had supposedly put an end to this blatant

1:08:01

nonsense, this chaos, this police lawlessness. He may have seemed

1:08:05

to reduce it, because in the 1990s there was

1:08:07

the same kind of mayhem—just bandits,

1:08:10

and it was never clear whether they were fighting bandits or

1:08:12

whether they were bandits themselves. It’s the same thing.

1:08:14

For example, the same kind of bandits who ran around

1:08:16

detaining people and driving around in

1:08:18

super-expensive cars—in other words, the

1:08:21

very same bandits. And it all seemed to quiet down

1:08:22

for a while.

1:08:23

because some rules had been established, and

1:08:27

now everything is absolutely coming back.

1:08:29

The very same lawlessness is back—torture,

1:08:31

electric shocks being used on people in police stations.

1:08:34

They beat people, well, and again it goes so far

1:08:36

that it reaches absurd little details, and less

1:08:39

absurd things like billions of apartments and

1:08:41

absurd little things like not

1:08:43

covering their license plates with tape and

1:08:46

driving around the city like that. Everyone knows, no one

1:08:48

pays attention, and a scandal only appears

1:08:50

when someone records it on a

1:08:52

mobile phone.

1:08:53

But Russia also has an achievement. I kept

1:08:58

criticizing everything, Vladimir Putin and all that, but

1:09:00

here we do have an achievement, for example. Among

1:09:02

these achievements, one can certainly

1:09:03

include quantum shorts.

1:09:06

That is, probably, a kind of umbrella

1:09:09

term for what we saw this

1:09:11

week. We were shown

1:09:13

a quantum phone that is sold on

1:09:14

Amazon, and we were shown elite shorts

1:09:16

for the Ministry of Defense, which are also

1:09:19

sold on

1:09:21

AliExpress. Let's start with the shorts—it's a very

1:09:24

funny story. We've all gone all-in on

1:09:26

patriotism, and Timati, the rapper, released

1:09:29

a clothing collection for the Ministry of

1:09:33

Defense. And let's listen to a few

1:09:35

seconds of him explaining what a

1:09:37

cool, unique, very

1:09:39

patriotic collection it is. Thirty-two thousand three hundred

1:09:41

people are watching us right now, and

1:09:42

right now you will see

1:09:43

Timati praising his unique

1:09:46

collection, presenting the only

1:09:48

[inaudible] colleague, waiting [inaudible] from us, the truth

1:09:53

[inaudible] complain.

1:09:55

[applause]

1:10:16

There are no real achievements, so this is what we

1:10:19

keep seeing all the time—this kind of nonsense. There they are,

1:10:21

all those generals sitting in the front row.

1:10:23

And there stands this ridiculous Timati: 'I want

1:10:25

to present a jacket to you,' and then girls

1:10:28

walk out in shorts, and these are special shorts. I

1:10:31

quote: these are not just clothes,

1:10:35

but uniforms infused with conviction,

1:10:38

leadership, patriotism, attention to detail,

1:10:41

and complete confidence in every next

1:10:44

step. And we are completely confident

1:10:47

that all of this was simply stolen. For example,

1:10:49

these shorts you saw on those

1:10:51

lovely girls on the runway were

1:10:53

immediately found by internet

1:10:55

users—they are sold on

1:10:56

AliExpress, they cost 800 rubles (about $9), and this whole

1:11:01

Putin-style patriotism is exactly about

1:11:04

that: taking Chinese shorts,

1:11:06

slapping 'Army of Russia' on them, and going on

1:11:10

television saying, 'We are mighty

1:11:12

patriots.'

1:11:12

Leadership, self-confidence—and by the way,

1:11:14

give us some budget money,

1:11:16

some government contract,

1:11:17

buy these clothes from us, let's

1:11:19

sell them in stores on the central

1:11:21

[garbled] on the main squares.

1:11:22

This 'Army of Russia'

1:11:25

is just a relabeled tag on Chinese shorts. Don't

1:11:28

pay attention—people will swallow it.

1:11:32

We'll sell these suckers absolutely anything now,

1:11:34

just like they sold all of Russia

1:11:37

T-34 tanks made in Czechoslovakia in the 1960s as if they were

1:11:41

some kind of wartime T-34 tanks,

1:11:43

which people literally bowed to

1:11:45

in squares all across the country. So now

1:11:48

let's smear patriotism over

1:11:51

Chinese shorts and sell them to everyone here, and well,

1:11:55

that's what we're capable of, you see. They

1:11:57

talk about building a great country, but our

1:11:59

achievement—everyone is involved in this—but

1:12:01

it's not just Timati coming up with some nonsense.

1:12:03

The defense minister is sitting there,

1:12:05

all these generals are sitting there, and

1:12:07

then they all stand up and applaud, and later they

1:12:10

will award each other for it and something else, one hundred percent.

1:12:13

By the next May 9 (Victory Day in Russia), we'll see an extra

1:12:16

row of gleaming medals, including one, figuratively speaking,

1:12:19

for strengthening leadership,

1:12:22

patriotism, and attention to detail

1:12:24

in the development of a clothing line, even though it's just

1:12:26

Chinese shorts for 800 rubles. An even more

1:12:29

impressive thing we saw was

1:12:34

the amazing quantum phone that

1:12:37

was presented literally the day before yesterday.

1:12:40

So, this is a project on which

1:12:43

hundreds of millions of rubles were spent—700

1:12:47

million rubles, 140 million of which

1:12:50

were invested by the Ministry of Education and Science. And

1:12:51

they showed us this supposedly unique phone.

1:12:55

It was said to be a unique

1:12:56

system consisting of

1:12:58

phones, including a special

1:13:01

processing center that

1:13:02

performs quantum encryption that

1:13:05

cannot be hacked, and so on. But

1:13:07

of course, these phones were immediately

1:13:10

found on Amazon—they are sold

1:13:13

simply for

1:13:15

192 euros (about 14,000 rubles at the time) for a phone like that.

1:13:18

And we saw that, well, guys,

1:13:21

they just covered up the label. Let's once

1:13:23

again take a look—they simply replaced

1:13:25

the sticker. And now, of course, they're very

1:13:27

comically trying to wriggle out of it, saying, 'No, that's

1:13:31

not so important. Forget the phone, yes, we

1:13:33

used an American phone, but the most

1:13:36

important thing we spent 700

1:13:38

million rubles on is the quantum

1:13:40

encryption that happens somewhere

1:13:42

inside a unique little box, and then

1:13:45

the signal goes to an ordinary American

1:13:46

phone.' But we understand that—well, I

1:13:49

hope there really is some kind of quantum

1:13:51

encryption there after all, that it's not

1:13:53

a complete lie—but there are already very serious

1:13:58

doubts. Because first of all, you

1:14:00

claimed that this was a system where

1:14:02

the phone—and it was specifically emphasized, the phone—was

1:14:04

a domestic development. But it isn't; it's just

1:14:07

a relabeled sticker. And secondly, well...

1:14:10

Guys, if this system is being made for

1:14:13

the purpose of encrypting, say, inside a

1:14:17

little box there, you encrypt something

1:14:19

using quantum encryption, and

1:14:21

no one can figure it out—but if then

1:14:23

the signal goes out already decrypted

1:14:25

to an American phone, where American

1:14:27

manufacturers—whatever they may be—

1:14:30

can sew in anything they want and intercept your

1:14:32

signal once it has already been decrypted inside an American

1:14:34

phone,

1:14:35

then you have to admit that your unique quantum

1:14:38

encryption in the middle no longer has

1:14:40

much meaning. That is, everything

1:14:44

around it just turns into

1:14:48

some kind of primitive fake

1:14:50

that is exposed just as easily as that

1:14:53

famous robot Alyosha (Alexei), who turned out

1:14:56

not to be a robot at all, but a person in a robot suit,

1:14:58

because the whole point of all this is simply

1:15:01

to show it on TV,

1:15:02

to spend the money, steal it, and then

1:15:05

show it on TV again—some supposedly unique

1:15:06

quantum phone of some kind,

1:15:09

developed just like Putin’s missiles—

1:15:11

flying, nonexistent,

1:15:13

‘unique weapons,’ and so on and so

1:15:16

forth. And do you know what the reason for all this is?

1:15:20

We also saw the reason for all this

1:15:22

this week. It was

1:15:25

a rather shameful spectacle

1:15:27

called the defense of the Candidate of Sciences dissertation

1:15:32

by Vladimir Putin’s daughter.

1:15:35

Because Yekaterina Tikhonova has now

1:15:37

become a Candidate

1:15:38

of Physical and Mathematical Sciences.

1:15:40

And I have nothing against Yekaterina Tikhonova; I

1:15:43

can absolutely assume that she may

1:15:46

be an intelligent woman, and

1:15:49

that this intelligent woman may well

1:15:51

understand physics and fully have the

1:15:53

right to become a Candidate of Physical and Mathematical Sciences. But I

1:15:56

am a little unhappy with certain things. First of all,

1:15:58

she was personally introduced there by the rector

1:16:04

of Moscow State University, Sadovnichy, who was basically just

1:16:08

hovering around her—there are no words for it—and then

1:16:10

the very next day he received the Order

1:16:13

‘For Merit to the Fatherland,’ first

1:16:17

class, first class. I mean, really,

1:16:21

you just can’t rub it in our faces like that.

1:16:24

And on top of that, they are still lying, saying

1:16:27

that she is not Putin’s daughter. Let’s

1:16:29

watch a few seconds of her

1:16:32

speech at the dissertation defense.

1:16:46

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By the way, I want to say a few words in defense of

1:17:12

Yekaterina Tikhonova. There were even quite a few

1:17:13

complaints that she had earphones in

1:17:17

her ears, and people were saying that

1:17:19

a signal was being transmitted directly to her and that she

1:17:21

was just parroting it like a trained monkey.

1:17:23

That’s not true. We carefully watched

1:17:24

the video: she does indeed come out wearing those

1:17:26

AirPods—or whatever they’re called—but

1:17:28

then during the defense she takes them off.

1:17:30

So she was undoubtedly saying what she

1:17:33

had memorized or what she knew, but that’s not even

1:17:35

the point. Just say it plainly: Putin

1:17:38

has a daughter.

1:17:40

Her name is Yekaterina Tikhonova, and she, like

1:17:42

everyone else, can study at Moscow State University and

1:17:44

defend a dissertation there. But no—even now,

1:17:47

even the boldest media outlets still write

1:17:51

‘Putin’s alleged daughter, Yekaterina

1:17:54

Tikhonova.’ Let’s be done with this already.

1:17:56

Yekaterina Tikhonova

1:17:58

is President Putin’s daughter.

1:18:01

She is sitting there at Moscow State University, and it’s unclear why she was

1:18:04

included in the university’s academic council, because if

1:18:06

she has only just defended her dissertation, then she cannot

1:18:09

possibly—surely you’d agree—

1:18:11

be on the academic council of one of the country’s leading

1:18:13

universities. And when the rector of Moscow State University there is simply

1:18:16

bending over backward before her

1:18:19

and fawning all over her,

1:18:21

groveling and saying this is a unique

1:18:23

scientific invention, some kind of super

1:18:25

breakthrough—well, that is exactly why we do not have

1:18:29

any real quantum

1:18:31

encryption, and we can’t even sew shorts ourselves

1:18:35

and have to buy them in China, and all of this

1:18:37

is because it runs contrary

1:18:40

to science—to normal science, to the development of science.

1:18:44

Because the rector of Moscow State University cannot

1:18:47

be the academic supervisor of an ordinary graduate student,

1:18:50

simply cannot.

1:18:51

He cannot. And if the rector of Moscow State University

1:18:56

acts as academic supervisor for a graduate student

1:18:59

because she is the president’s daughter, that

1:19:02

shows that the whole system

1:19:03

is broken, it is rotten. Yekaterina Tikhonova

1:19:06

could very well have had an ordinary academic

1:19:09

supervisor, like ordinary graduate students,

1:19:11

and defended her dissertation that way. But no—even this had to be turned into

1:19:14

some kind of triple spectacle,

1:19:16

for show.

1:19:18

And then they bring out the rector of Moscow State University, and

1:19:21

he sings her praises, and they simply

1:19:23

put some obscure girl

1:19:24

on the academic council. That is not how science works. Either

1:19:27

there is real competition,

1:19:29

an exchange of ideas, and an understanding that people

1:19:33

become scientists

1:19:35

because of their actual merits in the field

1:19:37

of science—or else this whole system immediately

1:19:40

falls apart, as it is falling apart here.

1:19:42

All we have is simply

1:19:46

the jokes we make every time

1:19:49

Vladimir Putin, against the backdrop of all this,

1:19:50

tells us there will be

1:19:52

scientific breakthroughs. Today he declared

1:19:54

that he knows how to ensure global

1:19:58

domination, and they know it as countries

1:20:00

turn into becoming rulers

1:20:02

of the world

1:20:03

because the ruler of the world will be the one who q

1:20:06

masters artificial intelligence, and he

1:20:09

is announcing a new program so that Russia, too,

1:20:12

can become a leader in the field of

1:20:13

artificial intelligence. Unfortunately, Russia will not become

1:20:15

a leader in this field, unfortunately, Russia

1:20:17

in artificial intelligence, because you,

1:20:19

Vladimir Vladimirovich,

1:20:20

keep rectors like that one at INGU (likely a university/institute), who has been there

1:20:23

for 20 years as well—a United Russia party member—at the Higher School

1:20:26

of Economics; we have United Russia people everywhere, we have

1:20:28

United Russia people sitting in positions who, instead of

1:20:30

doing science, take care of your daughter

1:20:34

whose identity is for some reason concealed, and escort her by the

1:20:38

arm, and all together now—I’m not, they’re not

1:20:41

saying it, I have no data—but that they

1:20:42

wrote it for her

1:20:44

this academic paper—I hope that is not

1:20:46

the case. Well then, all the more so, if she wrote it herself,

1:20:49

then let her defend it on the same terms as everyone else, and

1:20:52

let her defend it. And if we have some

1:20:54

real scientists,

1:20:57

they are of no interest to anyone. They are in

1:20:58

Akademgorodok in Novosibirsk (a major Russian science hub), earning

1:21:00

21,000 rubles a month, but nobody

1:21:02

cares about them, because here we are all

1:21:04

together

1:21:05

servicing Katerina Tikhonova. That is not how science

1:21:07

works, and unfortunately we will not become any kind of rulers of the world

1:21:09

unfortunately, we will not become. In their Beautiful

1:21:11

Russia of the Future, we will not seek domination over the world

1:21:13

we simply will not aspire to it; instead, any of our

1:21:16

scientists

1:21:18

will, on equal terms, be admitted to

1:21:19

an institute, and then on equal terms they

1:21:21

will defend their dissertations, then they will

1:21:23

receive grants based on their scientific

1:21:25

achievements

1:21:26

and then perhaps, little by little, we may

1:21:29

become leaders in the field of artificial

1:21:31

intelligence. And thank you very much to everyone who

1:21:32

watched the program. See you next

1:21:34

Thursday

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