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Hello everyone. It's 8:18 p.m. in Moscow, and we're live in the studio.

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Alexei Navalny, or a political prankster,

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as Ella Pamfilova called me.

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An absolutely brilliant name, and

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Pamfilova is hereby awarded the traveling

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banner for the best nickname for

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me: “political prankster.” That's really

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great. And Ella Pamfilova has also

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shown herself to be quite a prankster too, because

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this week she also called me

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her “little son.” A delegation from

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our boycott headquarters had just gone to see her.

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She called them her “grandkids,” so we

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will talk about that in more detail today,

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but

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Ella Pamfilova is clearly having a lot of fun.

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The first thing I wanted to say

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—because the first minute gets the most viewers

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and the most listeners—is this: if you've signed up

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to be an election observer, you're amazing, well done.

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Guys, please go to the headquarters and

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pick up your assignment, because, as

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usually happens in every election, all of you

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will come for your paperwork at the last

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minute, and there will be enormous chaos at headquarters.

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Everything will be very difficult, and you'll all

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be angry and saying, “Why is there a line?

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Why are there so many people? Why is it such a mess?” Please—if you've signed up,

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go now. You have to understand, this involves many, many

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thousands of people across many regions, and it's

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quite difficult for us to manage all of this.

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But we're doing it, so don't wait—

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go tomorrow and get your assignment,

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get your polling station. Today we're

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raising money to send people—it sounds

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funny, but today we're raising money to

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send people to Chechnya. I think Leonid Volkov joked

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about it well: for the first time, we're

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investing money in Chechnya voluntarily.

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We have several brave

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people—53 of them.

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They want to go and observe

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the elections in Chechnya. We need

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803,000 rubles for

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their tickets,

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food, and transportation once they're there. We've already

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raised almost all of it—300,000 rubles remain

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for us to collect today. Whoever

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makes the biggest donation

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will get this cool T-shirt from

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our tour. Please send

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money for Chechnya. So then,

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this is the last live broadcast before the so-

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called elections, and everyone keeps

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asking me about the 18th: “Say something about

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the election, about the 18th.” But I want to

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start with the 19th, because

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on the 19th—you know what will happen on the 19th.

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In fact, already on the 18th at 10 p.m.

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they will announce to you that Putin has become

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president and received

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something like 73 or 74 percent—more than 70 percent.

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What matters on the 19th is that you do not worry,

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do not torment yourself, and do not suffer, because that

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is exactly what they want from you.

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That is what this entire procedure was designed for—

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not so that Putin would get his

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percentages. I mean, this re-election—

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he was always going to get them. That was guaranteed.

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For the Kremlin, far more important

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is your suffering, because on March 19 the entire

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internet will be filled with posts saying, “Oh my God,

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everything is lost, we have to emigrate, oh my God,

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what a terrible Russian people.”

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These are my favorite copypastas: “We live in a

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nightmare, the Russian people are awful.

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Look at these people—they're poor, and they're going

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to vote.” It will all be flooded

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with videos showing people like that

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at polling stations. They'll ask them,

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“What's your salary?” They'll say, “16,000 rubles.” “And who are

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you voting for?” “For Putin, of course.”

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And there will be these videos, and once again everyone will

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suffer.

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“It's impossible to live like this,” they'll say.

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They'll show humiliating footage of how

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grandmothers in the regions are given free or

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almost free food, how they crowd and shove there, and

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I don't know, they'll be feeding people pancakes—

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our authorities' favorite pastime.

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And they'll say, “We're voting for Putin,” and

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all of this is staged in order to

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show you that you are not representatives

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of the opposition, not of ordinary people—you are in an

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absolute minority. “Here are your candidates,”

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they'll tell you on the 19th on every talk show.

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Peskov will say it, a cheerful Putin will

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say it too: “Well, your position

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is radical,

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opposed to everything, and the Russian

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people have shown it its place. That one got

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half a percent,

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and this one got 2 percent.” And all of this is done

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so that you will suffer. Don't

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suffer. You are not part of all this. On the 19th

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you should proudly

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—even mockingly—look at all those

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talk shows where they'll be talking about

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how the opposition got 3 percent, and

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say: “I was not part of any of this.

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Together with a huge number of people, I did not

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recognize this procedure. I was not

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a participant in it, and I will continue

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to fight you.”

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I will continue to fight you,

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disgusting, vile government, because

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I did not recognize you. I did not go to this

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polling station. I did not recognize this game of yours and

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this procedure of yours as a normal

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vote. I believe elections can

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be real. I demand normal

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elections, and I will keep fighting for them. And you, with

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this little trick of yours,

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with your system and your deception, have not convinced

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me in the slightest.” That is what we should be saying

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to each other on the 19th, because that

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is how it really is, in any major

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In the city, no less than thirty percent

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of people already want to vote right now

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for the opposition, according to any sociological

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polls. But their task is to convince us that

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we are two percent, one percent. We must not

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fall for that. Today, for us,

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today it is very easy, and we are also receiving

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questions. One of them asks: why wasn't I

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put in detention earlier? We thought

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you would be in detention during the chosen

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period, like a wolf.

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On air, please... my dear, I don't know.

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My court hearing was postponed many times,

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but honestly, I did not think that

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they would lock me up for the election itself, because

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then the headlines would read: Putin

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was re-elected,

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while an opposition politician was sitting in

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prison at the same time. I think they avoid that.

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They are simply waiting for a moment when they can

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lock me up during a less

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newsworthy period. But anyway,

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today it is much easier for us to have a dialogue, a

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discussion about a boycott, about participation in the election,

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about various strategies, because, you see,

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I have a cup here that says

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I told you so

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as they joke in American TV shows.

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Today is the time to take a nice sip from

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a cup with the words "I told you so" on it.

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Because I did tell you so. Two months ago,

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three months ago, four months ago,

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when various candidates were appearing and

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saying, "We are real candidates,"

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all of them claimed that this was just my personal

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position, that some guy, out of his own personal

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interest, was calling on everyone

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not to vote. But you are wrong, because

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we are candidates, and we will go into these

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dishonest elections. You may call us

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puppets, but we will use these elections

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as a platform. We will say the most important things.

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We will be the cool guys, we will

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unite everyone around us, we will

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hold rallies, we will say

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important forbidden words, and people will hear

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our forbidden words. Well then,

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let's listen to, for example, a typical, typical

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statement by a candidate. They all said

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things like this on air. Let's listen.

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Here we have

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some thirty or forty-three seconds.

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Because for a long time and consistently

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Russia's leadership has pursued a course that

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is leading Russia into a dead end, leading the country

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down a path to nowhere. The danger with each

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passing year is sharply increasing, and now

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we are at yet another crossroads, and there is

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one special feature: this is a moment when one can

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still manage to say something relatively loudly

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to you personally, to your children, to your

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loved ones.

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You see, he has been brought back to the studio. I am no longer

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alone; the candidates are here with me, these very

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candidates, so that I will not

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argue without them being present. I have them here.

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Here, the one with the tie, obviously...

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Let's say this one is Ksenia Sobchak.

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These are our candidates, and they were saying

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the right things. They were saying them, but

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what was said was that this was a relatively free

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time when one could get a platform and

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say important,

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the most important things. All right, candidates, move aside.

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My notes, so I can see what I want

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to tell you next, and so I understand that, well,

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this whole argument, in fact,

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is the same thing they told me when

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they said, "Alexei, you're going into an election you also cannot

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win." And I said, no, I

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will say important things. We will have more

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after this campaign. I will hit them hard, I will

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shake them up, I will make life harder for them, I will wage

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a real struggle and draw people into this

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struggle. But then what exactly

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am I dissatisfied with, if everyone else will do

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the same thing? That I am the coolest? Well then,

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let's review it.

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Time has passed. Did that very period pass, the one that, as

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was said, was relatively

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calm, when one could say whatever

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one wanted? And we see that it really

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was calm for everyone except Grudinin (Pavel Grudinin, Communist presidential candidate);

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everyone was invited onto shows, no one was

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breaking up rallies, there was not a single arrest in

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campaign headquarters, not a single seizure of printed materials,

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nothing at all. A complete, absolute carte blanche for

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all the candidates. And I was sitting there

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thinking: well, this may be bad for me,

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it will be awkward for me to campaign for a boycott

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because they are knocking the ground out from under

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my argument. But if these guys come out and

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say, for example, something about

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Kirill Shamalov (widely reported as Putin's former son-in-law) and President

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Putin, who made him the youngest

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Russian billionaire, that would be great.

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They would be on TV and say it about him, and

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millions of Russian

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pensioners would learn about it. And just recently another

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Rotenberg from the Rotenberg family

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of Putin's friends became a billionaire, and

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he made his fortune from that very

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Platon toll system (Russia's truck road-toll system); he robbed truck drivers

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blind and became a billionaire. And somehow

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the candidates should have said this

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so that all the truck drivers would

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applaud them and then go vote for them.

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I kept waiting for them to say something like that, but

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it did not happen at all. For you,

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I spent time today digging around

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on YouTube and looking at which statements in the media

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I looked at which statements by the candidates

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got the loudest coverage, what

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people actually heard when they climbed onto

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that very platform. I had the highest

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hopes for Grudinin (Pavel Grudinin),

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I liked him then, and I still like him now,

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and then I saw how they were going after him so aggressively.

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How Grudinin was brazenly and

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shamelessly smeared in that campaign—probably only I

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in recent years, I can't

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remember another person whom they

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so utterly, just

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brazenly and shamelessly dragged through the mud on

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television. And I expected that Grudinin would

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perform well. The more they did that to him,

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the more this sharp-tongued man seemed to perform decently.

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And the main, most quoted statement

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by Mr. Grudinin was this. Let's

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listen to his 31 seconds of fame in this

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election: “Was Stalin a criminal? No. Do you admit

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that Stalinist repressions happened? Before

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Stalin, people were repressed too. Did Stalin

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kill people? No. Did Stalin give orders and people were killed?

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No.” For a man who

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achieved for the country—do you know what

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15 percent annual GDP growth means? At a time when

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it was 6–7, while average global GDP growth

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was 3.

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This is a man who turned an absolutely

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illiterate country into a country with the best

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education.

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Pavel Grudinin, Pasha,

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why did you waste your chance, your

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opportunity to talk to people, on this

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nonsense—some Stalin? Who needs

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a discussion of Stalin when everyone wants

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a discussion of Putin? It’s no longer about Stalin, not

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for Stalin, not against Stalin—you won't find

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that in this election. You said it once,

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fine, but it just went on endlessly.

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There was this Stalin stuff at Grudinin’s rallies, when

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we watched and literally before the

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rally they played the song “Lenin Is So

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Young, and Young October Lies Ahead” (a famous Soviet song). Why

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did you do that, Pavel? Just say the

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words you were saying before the election, not

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this. Pavel Grudinin said nothing. So, despite

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all the sympathy for him, what was the point of going into

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the election now and supporting something unclear,

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for unclear reasons, with unclear

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words about Stalin? Our great

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entrepreneur—who else did we have here?

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Titov. Let him be our kind of

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taxi-colored candidate.

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Titov went into the election and declared that

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he had collected 100,000 signatures.

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He declared that all

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businesspeople were behind him, and of course we expected

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him to say something important. And the whole country noticed Titov

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because of this

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advertising campaign. Let’s watch 23 seconds of it.

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These little ad spots

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were repeated on television:

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“Titov.”

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“So what about Titov?”

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“What?”

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“Titov.”

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Titov. So what? Look, we at least

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expected it to be some kind of suspense ad,

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where first it would grab attention. The whole

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country laughed.

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“So what about Titov?” And then in the final days he would

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say: “Titov is for

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this and that. Titov is against Putin.”

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“Titov is against corporate raiding. Titov is

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against the Platon toll system

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of Rotenberg and the destruction of small business.”

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So what did he say? Nothing. He said

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nothing. He just once again showed—not even

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showed, actually, but rather

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fit the image created by propaganda:

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the image of a pointless guy who

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claims to be some kind of

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democrat or whatever, so that the average

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voter would think: well, these people,

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the opposition types, all their stormy rhetoric

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is just a bunch of strange people

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spouting nonsense. And Ksenia

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Anatolyevna Sobchak

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kept saying above all: yes, I’m

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running in this election, yes, I popped up

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like a jack-in-the-box right beforehand, but

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don’t think I’m like that—I’ll say all these

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important things. And what did we hear from Ksenia Sobchak

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in this election? There were

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indeed two absolutely

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memorable episodes involving Ksenia, and the first

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of them was simply this wonderful,

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magnificent water-splashing incident. We saw it;

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let’s watch those

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35 seconds again. The main thing, from the point

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of view of ordinary people—and this is important to understand now—

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I’m not talking about what you noticed,

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people interested in the news, who

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constantly watch YouTube and get

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their news from the internet, and so on. But for

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the ordinary average voter who doesn’t

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follow politicians very closely,

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what stayed in their head were these 35 seconds:

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“Vladimir—”

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“You have no brains, that’s all.”

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“Get out of here—”

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And that’s it: black mud, a nasty woman,

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and the better person in this whole scene—here I,

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I hate to say it—but the better

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person in this whole scene is Vladimir

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Solovyov, standing there like this and

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rejoicing. And Putin is rejoicing with him,

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and everyone is rejoicing, because that was the

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point: to show that they’re all horrible clowns.

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Well, Ksenia also definitely had one more

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wonderful episode by which she

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was remembered by viewers, because her

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problem is her biography.

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She has said a lot of things; she has written a lot of

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books of various kinds.

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And probably during this election

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campaign she should have tried to overcome

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that image somehow. In particular, one of

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her most famous statements, the one most

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quoted

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by her enemies, was her remark that

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the entire Russian people are simply

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a bunch of suckers. Suckers—I don’t know, maybe

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even Zhirinovsky wouldn’t have said that.

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And Ksenia—just look at her.

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Brilliant.

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She spoke so brilliantly about it again—this is at

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44 seconds, let's watch. Sobchak: Russia is

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the ideal testing ground for observing suckers

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among its residents.

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You are all suckers, Russian people who

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envy me—that is, hate her.

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That's 90 percent—the people commonly called *bydlo* (a derogatory term for the crude, supposedly uncultured masses). This

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trait, by the way, is supposedly characteristic specifically of Russians.

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That's why I love Jews.

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What amazes me is the well-honed, collective-farm-style

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ability of our population

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to shift blame from a sick head to a healthy one, and all this

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So—take this book, read the book.

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There is nothing—what was said regarding

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the claim that I love Russians or

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Jews—this quote from a 2005 interview

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is false, and I state that plainly.

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And I went to court over that interview.

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Those are not my words about insults and

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the rest. But if people—you yourself—

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keep choosing the same government over and over, I don't

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understand what that leads to—how else

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Of course they call this a brilliant

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decision. It's just a brilliant decision to go

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to the elections,

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declare that you are a representative of the opposition,

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that you represent the anti-Putin opposition,

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go onto a debate on federal

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television and once again say that you are all

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suckers.

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Well, you yourselves keep choosing Putin again—this

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will really please the audience, this is truly

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the way to voters' hearts, so that everyone

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sitting there—many people voted for Putin—

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and we need to fight for them, we need to

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reach those people,

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persuade them, talk to them. A person is sitting

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in front of the TV, and once again the opposition—

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after all, they invited the opposition—says to him:

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he has a whole lot of feelings and a whole lot of words

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that he wants to say to this opposition, but

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he no longer sorts it out; they told him, well, Sobchak

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is the main opposition figure there. It was

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a wonderful performance. But the most

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legitimate one now, whom I—Grigory

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which one will it be for...

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Which one is the most modest and decent?

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The blue one, this one. And he—did you

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hear the right words about how I

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would use the platform, and probably any

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network featured the most exotic

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or the most popular clip that he

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showed—a 36-second clip about pandas

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which, I don't even know whether I can

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say on air what these pandas are doing, well

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let me assume that they are playing

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some kind of game. You know, like that game

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what was it called, where people jump over each other

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or over one another—that's probably it. Let's

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watch these 36 seconds of what Grigory

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wanted to say to Russia's voters.

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What did he tell them?

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We've been together for almost 12...

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What personally bothers me is not even the situation

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we are in, but the fact that every

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day, here in our kitchens, we are assaulted

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with information about how terrible our

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government is. No, we don't like it either that

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Serebrennikov is in jail while Vasilyeva is being

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let off. It's just that if I could do

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something other than what I do, I would go

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and do it, instead of sitting in the kitchen blabbering.

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Seriously? Sirikovich, pandas engaged in

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let's say it honestly—engaged in

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sex are telling us that we sit in our kitchens

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and that we shouldn't be in those kitchens?

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One would have wanted something else. Is this really the

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shocking truth that

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Russia wants to know,

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that needs to be told,

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that Russians need to hear—the truth that

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is never shown on television? Is that it?

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Well, I don't know. Then it seems to me that on

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Russian TV talk shows they

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show people who are having

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sex with dogs, and in that sense panda sex

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wouldn't really surprise anyone at all.

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That is not forbidden

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information. Shamalov, Putin's inner circle,

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the Rotenbergs,

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Putin's palaces—that is forbidden

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information. Why didn't you say anything

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about that, instead of showing us pandas?

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And today, many of you have probably already

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seen online this whole—this was

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a kind of pyramid that

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was obviously planned. Here

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they splashed water around, here they

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shed tears, here they showed pandas,

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and at the top, of course, there had to be a fight.

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And today these washed-up actors from a

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third-rate theater

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staged a fight. And let's watch 1

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minute 5 seconds—but every second of

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it is worth it, because every

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second

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of this footage convinces the average voter:

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"On second thought, Putin is probably better. We're tired of this.

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We may live poorly, but you can't entrust them

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with the nuclear briefcase." One

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minute and 5 seconds of top-tier

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discussion in these debates. I wanted

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to address Grudinin, Pavel Nikolayevich—well,

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as soon as he saw me, he ran away. You

22:34

say everywhere, in every interview, that I

22:36

can—that I'm not about...

22:37

Yes, I say it happened to me, it happened to

22:40

my family. It's true—they evicted us from

22:42

our apartment. The important thing is, you are turning the election

22:44

into—how is it that already two people are speaking, two

22:46

people, and from them—let's add more

22:48

hours to it.

22:49

What is he even doing here? Let's bring in even more

22:53

surrogates, let's invite proxies, let's turn

22:55

this into something else entirely.

23:07

You can see for yourselves—just forget what they say.

23:24

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23:34

Well, strictly speaking, I could have been standing there too.

23:36

And when I watched it, I kept thinking: listen,

23:39

"Alexei, why are you showing off?" After all,

23:42

you're criticizing the other candidates, but you could have

23:44

ended up in the same situation. You come there

23:46

with your little sheet of paper that says something about

23:48

some small-time show, say something about Rotenberg or whatever,

23:50

and denounce everyone on the list.

23:52

Some lunatic starts yelling at you, waving his arms,

23:55

"I'll break your jaw"—but what are you

23:57

supposed to do? Just shout over each other there?

23:58

Something is happening, but basically all of you

24:01

look like clowns. Well, I know what I

24:05

would have done in that situation, and it wouldn't have

24:07

stopped the other candidates from doing the same

24:09

thing. I would have tried to organize my own

24:10

debates—and nobody was stopping them from organizing

24:14

their own debates. If you think back at all

24:16

to the debates of the last couple of years, you'll most likely

24:18

remember my debates with

24:20

Chubais, my debates with Ksenia and Lebedev,

24:24

my debates with Strelkov—even though I wasn't

24:27

running for anything. Still, those debates

24:28

happened, and millions of people watched them, at least

24:31

on YouTube. So could these candidates really not

24:34

organize their own debates? Of course

24:37

they could. They just didn't want to, and to me

24:40

that's interesting, because their

24:43

task was what the Presidential Administration had told them to do:

24:46

it had all been planned out—they were supposed to

24:48

stand there, splash water around, and say

24:51

nothing. No one was stopping them from appearing

24:53

on talk shows, and even if there had been some ban on that,

24:55

for the Central Election Commission, that would have been a minor violation compared with

24:59

everything else that was happening in this

25:00

election campaign. It certainly wouldn't have been

25:03

a problem to go on Echo of Moscow,

25:05

to go on TV Rain—after all, couldn't they

25:07

come on the Navalny LIVE channel

25:09

and say, "We want to hold a debate—everyone together:

25:12

Yavlinsky, Tsvetkov, Grudinin, whoever else,

25:15

someone else too—we've organized it," and

25:18

millions of people would have watched that as well,

25:20

certainly no fewer than on the federal

25:23

channels. But they didn't want that.

25:25

They weren't interested in doing it. If I had found myself in

25:27

that situation, where there are no real

25:29

debates and everyone refuses

25:31

to debate me, doesn't want to come out and debate

25:34

one-on-one, I would have done what I did

25:36

before. I have the main proof

25:38

of why you shouldn't go to these elections and

25:41

shouldn't believe these people. This sound

25:42

that we're giving away today—let me remind you

25:44

that today we're raising money for

25:47

sending election observers to Chechnya. This is the list

25:49

of cities I visited just during the course of

25:50

the autumn tour. There are twenty-seven

25:54

cities here, and we were forbidden from holding these

25:56

rallies, and I spent 25 days in a

25:59

special detention center during that whole

26:01

tour, because if I hadn't been locked up,

26:03

there would have been quite a few

26:05

more cities here. But I traveled around them, and

26:07

it turned out that despite the fact that I had been

26:10

kept away from the elections for several months already,

26:11

I visited more cities than all

26:14

these candidates. I held large meetings—

26:18

not just more than all these

26:19

candidates; I was the only one who held

26:22

meetings outdoors, including when it was cold,

26:24

and I was also the only one who

26:26

held meetings with

26:28

more than a thousand participants—

26:30

again, outdoors. They were banned, they were broken up,

26:34

students were threatened with expulsion,

26:36

if they went there, and people were threatened

26:38

with losing their jobs. Every meeting came with

26:40

whole folders full of

26:42

claims that these were somehow unauthorized gatherings in the very

26:45

best cities—Samara, Saratov.

26:48

We did it, and I still did

26:51

more than anyone else. And yes, the point isn't even that I'm

26:54

somehow so great. If there had been normal

26:56

candidates, I wouldn't be sitting here in this T-shirt

26:58

because what's so special about it?

26:59

This is just ordinary work

27:02

for a candidate—and not even that much of it.

27:04

A normal candidate in a presidential

27:06

election should travel far more,

27:08

much, much more in a

27:10

huge country like Russia. But they didn't even

27:13

do that, because they are

27:15

nobodies. You see, these so-called

27:18

candidates didn't want to do anything. You

27:22

didn't want to unite people, you didn't

27:26

do anything. Fine—but if you were

27:29

humiliated and insulted and not allowed to say

27:32

anything, and you understand that you'll get

27:34

a very small percentage—withdraw.

27:37

The time has passed when you said everything

27:41

you wanted to say. You were given a platform,

27:43

you either said something, or you didn't—

27:47

you just stupidly splashed water around. Then let's

27:49

create a problem for Putin now. That

27:56

great big chief villain

27:59

who first lured you in, invited you to

28:02

the election, and then deceived you—especially

28:04

Grudinin. Grudinin, after all, had already started getting hammered on television.

28:06

So let's

28:11

create problems for them: let's withdraw from

28:12

the election, let's say, "Oh, is that how it is? Then to hell with

28:14

it—we do not recognize your

28:16

election, we're leaving it. We got

28:18

a platform, we used that platform, and now

28:19

goodbye."

28:20

We call on everyone not to take part in

28:22

Putin's re-election." Not one of them even

28:24

said anything close to that. And who among them

28:27

is really going to get some gigantic

28:29

percentage that they cherish? No one.

28:31

On the contrary, they're all suffering because

28:35

they'll get very few votes, and

28:37

everyone will laugh at them. But despite

28:39

their suffering, they are taking part in this

28:42

disgrace. Why? Because they're being paid for it.

28:45

They were either paid or ordered to do it, because

28:48

the task of all these head ducks and

28:52

little ducklings lined up behind the head duck

28:55

is to make sure that on the 19th you

28:59

feel miserable and think that nothing can be done,

29:01

that nothing can be achieved, that we are in

29:04

the minority.

29:05

Our task is different, and everything we are doing

29:09

today, we are doing so that on the 19th

29:14

we can move up one step. And we

29:17

will move up one step, because we have

29:19

prepared an unprecedented number of

29:21

observers under conditions of extreme pressure,

29:24

endless arrests. All the news about us

29:26

is constantly news about arrests,

29:28

and honestly, I’m sick of it myself—you must be too—but it just keeps

29:30

being the same thing. I come to you

29:32

and say: people were arrested here, and

29:33

today, what was it, eight people

29:35

were arrested in different places, maybe even more.

29:37

Right now, searches are being carried out somewhere,

29:39

right now there are raids on campaign offices. It’s all

29:42

basically the same thing over and over. But in this

29:45

situation, what we are doing for

29:46

us, the 19th is

29:50

a wonderful day, when we know that

29:53

more people—we cannot count them

29:56

exactly, of course—but compared with

29:58

2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, far

30:01

more people have consciously and

30:03

clearly said: no, I’m not taking part in all

30:05

this filth. We do not recognize this government, we

30:08

will not participate in it. And now I

30:10

am appealing to everyone with a call, in the

30:14

remaining couple of days, to work for this.

30:17

People are just built in such a way that they make

30:20

decisions at the last moment. But this

30:22

previous broadcast, that kind of broadcast,

30:23

was watched by 800,000 people over the course of

30:26

a week. Fine—by Sunday this

30:29

broadcast will be watched by, I don’t know, 200,000

30:31

people. Two hundred thousand people is

30:32

a huge force. If each of you

30:35

spends a few minutes

30:38

to campaign at least online,

30:40

it will be tremendous. So let’s just

30:42

look at the numbers. If we have those

30:46

internet reach figures ready—if not,

30:48

I’ll just say them from memory: we have

30:50

internet penetration in Russia of 80

30:52

percent; 64 percent of people use the internet

30:53

daily; 54 percent of people get their news

30:56

online; people on social

30:59

media every day—about half, 59, 49, and

31:03

6... So, 200,000 people—fine, 200

31:07

thousand people.

31:08

Subtract from that my opponents—say,

31:11

100,000 or 150,000 people. Your post on

31:15

VK, Facebook, Twitter,

31:17

somewhere on a local forum—anywhere—

31:20

a couple of emails—all this work leads to

31:23

reach in the millions, many millions.

31:25

So please, today, tomorrow,

31:28

Saturday and Sunday morning, call on people

31:31

to boycott, urge them not to go, because

31:33

we have to move up one step higher.

31:36

After these elections, they do not

31:38

register us, they do not let us in, but we are

31:41

an organized political force, larger

31:44

than all the others. We understand that this

31:47

will be a long struggle against people who

31:51

have grabbed billions and

31:52

want—I don’t know—to die and take those

31:55

billions with them into the next world, or

31:57

pass them on to their children. They are building in Russia

31:59

an absolute monarchy, but we will never

32:01

agree to that. And we, as an organized

32:04

political force, must become

32:05

bigger.

32:06

We must become better, and we will. We

32:10

can either sort of rise to this

32:12

step, or we can rise to this

32:13

step. Let each of us spend

32:15

a few minutes so that we can move

32:17

after all

32:18

one step higher. Let me answer

32:20

your questions—your questions on

32:25

Twitter. Here’s one: “Alexei,

32:27

how would you comment on today’s

32:29

meeting with Ella Pamfilova (head of Russia’s Central Election Commission)?” I

32:31

will speak about this in more detail. “Did it meet

32:33

your expectations?” Well, do you think I

32:37

expected Ella Pamfilova to suddenly

32:39

say, “Yes, yes, guys, I admit it,

32:42

you falsified the election, and

32:44

the elections were rigged, and I surrender and

32:46

am resigning”? Of course we did not expect anything like

32:48

that. But overall I am satisfied, because

32:51

we obtained certain guarantees on

32:53

the issues most sensitive for us.

32:55

For example, sending observers to Chechnya (a republic in southern Russia).

32:57

Pamfilova did not state outright that she

33:00

guarantees their safety, but some

33:02

words on the subject were said. We will pass on

33:03

the list, and in any case we are sending those

33:06

observers there, and it turns out

33:08

that, in a way,

33:09

that is very important. Timur Tukhvalin

33:13

asks me: “Alexei, what do you think

33:14

about Sobchak and

33:17

Gudkov creating the Party of Change?” I don’t have many thoughts yet, because

33:20

this news came literally right before

33:22

the start of the broadcast.

33:23

I simply haven’t been following

33:26

Gudkov’s activities very closely lately,

33:29

for objective reasons. But I was surprised

33:32

when I saw this news,

33:34

because the last thing I knew about Gudkov

33:37

was that he was actively backing Yavlinsky (Grigory Yavlinsky, liberal politician).

33:41

He supported his nomination when I

33:44

was calling on everyone to support me, before I had even

33:47

been barred from the election. Gudkov

33:49

said that

33:50

—and I think he said this on Kartus’s broadcast—

33:52

he had done a lot, but that he could not

33:53

support Navalny because he had given

33:55

his word to Yavlinsky and would support

33:57

only Yavlinsky. He included me in his own

33:59

list

34:00

to the State Duma in 2016

34:03

Lutkov was on the Yabloko party list, and I will remain loyal

34:05

to it until the end, I mean, there’s a kind of

34:08

assertion like in *Eugene Onegin*: “But I am given to another, and”

34:11

“I will be faithful to him forever,” so basically

34:13

my people backed off from Gudkov and didn’t urge

34:15

him to do anything, because he said so many

34:17

times that he was definitely for Yavlinsky

34:19

and quite recently he even spoke at some

34:21

party congress of his, and then bam — together with

34:25

Sobchak

34:26

he launches some new party. That’s very

34:31

strange. I mean, Dmitry seems to like

34:33

moving from party to party. He was in

34:35

A Just Russia, together with

34:38

Fetisov, then in the Green Party platform

34:40

that was later renamed. Then he seemed to be friendly with

34:43

Nechaev, then fell out with him, then

34:45

was friendly with Yabloko and said that with

34:47

Yabloko it was forever. And now Sobchak — I don’t know, it somehow doesn’t

34:49

seem right to me. Again, I don’t want

34:53

to go into detail or criticize too much there,

34:55

but at the very least this should have been done after

34:58

the election, because three days before

34:59

the vote, to suddenly, excuse me, hit

35:04

Grigory Yavlinsky over the head like that

35:05

is probably not very good. I mean, it should

35:09

have been done not as a blow to the head, but

35:11

by saying these elections are a sham, say

35:13

three months ago, four months ago

35:15

— we had agreed, circumstances were different, before

35:17

that we had agreed publicly, and said: I will not

35:19

support you

35:20

but to do this two months before — that’s not very

35:22

good. Overall, as for this party,

35:24

when I saw it, my first reaction was:

35:27

a party of children

35:29

a party of the nomenklatura’s children (the Soviet/Russian political elite): Sobchak’s daughter

35:32

and Gudkov’s son are making a party. Well, I would not

35:34

under any circumstances create my own party

35:36

with Ksenia Sobchak. She is, after all, a person

35:38

with the highest negative rating in the country, and

35:40

as we’ve seen, she keeps making

35:43

all kinds of exotic statements, like

35:45

some version of “you’re all suckers.” Great — the leader of the party

35:48

of change has declared that all of you

35:50

Russians are suckers because you vote for

35:52

Putin, and it seems to me that the only

35:55

suckers in this situation will be those who

35:57

vote for such a party of change. But

35:59

I repeat, I’m not ready right now to comment

36:03

in detail, because this is

36:04

surprising news that I only just learned

36:06

about the day before. Alex Ledenev

36:09

asks me: Putin is preparing a victory

36:11

rally on the evening of the 18th — what

36:13

are we preparing? On the 18th, guys, we are preparing

36:16

election monitoring. I’m talking about that now.

36:18

If I start preparing a rally now, that would

36:21

simply be a gift to Putin — he’ll clap his

36:24

hands and get the opportunity. They’re already

36:27

arresting our observers,

36:29

they’ll just lock everyone up altogether

36:31

in all the regions and disrupt our monitoring.

36:33

That’s what’s very important: we do not recognize these

36:36

elections, but we are monitoring them in order

36:40

to get the real turnout figures.

36:43

We already know — who among you believes that in Mordovia

36:46

99 percent turn out to vote? Who believes

36:49

that in Chechnya turnout is 99 percent? Who believes that in

36:51

Kemerovo Region or Krasnodar Krai

36:53

turnout is over 80 percent? All of this is

36:56

obviously nonsense. It’s just that before, no one

36:59

could catch them red-handed because there wasn’t

37:01

a large organized system of

37:04

monitoring. We built one for the first time, and what really

37:07

especially irritates me is when

37:09

our dear ducks keep saying

37:13

that your boycott position is a position of

37:15

sitting on the couch doing nothing, just sitting on the couch.

37:17

Look at what is happening in our

37:19

headquarters, and what is happening in the candidates’ headquarters.

37:22

We are the only ones here running around like

37:24

mad, organizing monitoring. We have

37:26

huge lines for issuing

37:28

observer credentials. All of this is difficult for us; we

37:30

formally aren’t even allowed to do it. That is,

37:32

we also have to persuade candidates

37:33

who are hesitating — and the Yabloko people in

37:37

Tyumen, for example, today we have a whole, whole

37:39

problem there.

37:40

They suddenly withdrew the observer credentials for

37:42

monitoring, but I still hope they won’t

37:43

deceive us and will return those

37:45

credentials. I’ve recorded so many videos just about

37:50

monitoring — who even knows how many — and no one

37:52

watches them anymore. A video for observers in

37:54

the North Caucasus, a video for those kinds of

37:56

observers, all sorts of videos, a video about mailing

37:58

things, a video about that — all day long our entire

38:01

headquarters is dealing with monitoring. We’re

38:03

demanding a meeting with Pamfilova about this, and she

38:05

comes to that meeting. We are doing this.

38:08

The only impression is that in the end

38:11

no one else there needs any monitoring at all

38:14

except us, and we are the ones doing it here. But we

38:15

are doing it because we have that

38:18

opportunity, we have people. Once again I

38:20

urge you, guys, to come and

38:22

get your observer credentials as

38:24

soon as possible. I see GIFs popping up in the feed.

38:26

Let me remind you that today we’re raffling off this

38:29

T-shirt in order to pay for sending

38:32

observers to Chechnya, and

38:34

today we had a meeting with Pamfilova.

38:37

And it was very important for us, because

38:41

we understand that there will be falsifications,

38:44

and they will be aimed specifically at voter turnout.

38:46

There are many reasons for that,

38:50

both direct and indirect indicators.

38:52

Recently there was an interview

38:54

with Pamfilova on Echo of Moscow, and there was a question about

38:56

the number of voters in Russia — 109

38:59

million. And she said, well, no, not 109, we’re

39:01

counting now, probably 107 — or maybe not 107.

39:04

Three days before the election, they’re sitting there with

39:06

plus or minus 2 million voters — they don’t even know.

39:08

I know how many voters there are, because they

39:10

are preparing these fraud schemes, and we will

39:13

be getting ready to catch them, because this is

39:15

very important, and

39:18

right now, at this point, we have registered

39:21

63,100 observers, but we understand

39:26

that of course not all of them will show up; that always

39:27

happens. People register, and then some of them

39:29

don’t come. I hope more people

39:31

will turn out, but we still expect that no

39:34

fewer than 25,000 people will

39:36

be working at polling stations. Of these 63

39:40

thousand people, about 18 percent

39:43

are minors. We think that’s

39:44

good, because we will be giving

39:46

them video-monitoring duties, and one of the

39:48

positive—one of the positive outcomes of the meeting

39:50

positive results of the meeting

39:53

with Panfilova was that she said

39:55

that tomorrow, finally, they would disclose the

39:57

polling stations where video surveillance will be in place. This is

40:00

very important, and we are organizing mobile

40:08

groups for difficult regions. We will try

40:10

in these so-called regions of

40:11

electoral anomalies to achieve

40:13

coverage at at least 20

40:15

percent of polling stations. That’s a lot; no one

40:17

has done that before. They will be

40:19

fighting us, because, well, you understand

40:21

the authorities in Kemerovo Region

40:23

used to have 86 percent there.

40:25

It’s obvious that about 30 percent of that

40:27

turnout was fabricated. And if we organize

40:29

observation everywhere, without any kind of

40:31

interference, turnout drops by 30

40:33

percent. They can’t allow

40:34

that. They will openly

40:36

fight us. Well, we’ll see on the 18th

40:38

how they fight. Let’s take a look.

40:42

Today we have a short—there is a short

40:45

video from the meeting with Panfilova,

40:47

where she is speaking with Ivan Zhdanov, and well,

40:51

I was asked about

40:55

the positive results. Well, one positive

40:57

result was that she

40:59

said that Sobyanin’s famous letter

41:01

where he so strongly backed Putin—if

41:03

Panfilova said directly that it was

41:05

a violation of the law. Let’s listen to a few

41:07

seconds of that. As for what is connected with

41:10

extremism—yes, under the law, therefore he does not

41:12

have the right to do that. If he—I

41:19

think that’s not very good, although

41:24

legally there may be nothing to object to, as far as I

41:27

know. At first glance, since this is

41:28

his personal website, in his free time outside work,

41:30

and so on and so forth. But in my

41:32

view, you are talking about

41:34

So, the current results of our, our

41:37

contest to raffle off a T-shirt:

41:40

these are all people who donated 5,000 rubles each. Those are the

41:42

largest donations so far: Citizen

41:44

of Russia, Novoe NATO, Avizo—5,000 rubles each. They

41:48

are in the running for this T-shirt right here.

41:51

Let me remind you, we are raising this money in order

41:53

to send observers to Chechnya, but overall

41:55

the meeting—

41:57

getting back to the meeting with Ella Panfilova,

41:59

it is best characterized

42:01

by its ending, because there was this

42:03

discussion.

42:04

She pretended not to know anything about the

42:07

violations, not to understand at all why

42:09

activists had been arrested. She said, “Give me the

42:10

documents, we’ll look into it.” We understand that

42:12

she is not actually going to look into it, but in the end

42:14

she had a kind of catharsis. She was

42:16

talking and talking, and then—just like with Putin—

42:20

the answer to any question or complaint was:

42:24

guess what? Ukraine.

42:26

Let’s watch this short clip.

42:28

Why did I come? Why am I here?

42:31

I am doing everything I can. I believe that how

42:34

these elections go depends on how much

42:36

the country either strengthens itself. You and I may

42:38

be different, but I do not want

42:41

some uncle from the outside, forgive me, to

42:44

come meddling in and gut our country, like

42:46

our neighbors, excuse me, and I don’t want anyone

42:50

to decide for us.

42:52

Why are you bringing up Ukraine?

42:55

Is Ukraine arresting observers? Why

42:58

is our police confiscating

43:00

observer accreditation forms in Kemerovo for

43:03

observers? Ksenia

43:04

Pakhomova—she was sitting there in that video I

43:06

mentioned—came specially from Kemerovo

43:08

to raise this issue. The police

43:10

came and seized more than 1,000

43:12

observer forms from her. They are literally taking away the forms.

43:15

It’s happening in Kemerovo Region.

43:16

They want to defend themselves from us—Ukraine again?

43:20

I don’t want things to be the way Ukraine wants them.

43:23

How is that connected? What, is it thanks to

43:27

election fraud in Kemerovo Region

43:30

that the whole country is being held together?

43:31

Is the country being kept from falling apart by the 99

43:34

percent fabricated in Mordovia (a republic in Russia),

43:36

or the percentages fabricated in Chechnya? It’s all the same thing.

43:39

And we will see, I’m afraid—and unfortunately I’m sure of it—

43:44

on the 18th, we will see the same thing all over again.

43:46

First the falsifications, then talk about

43:48

how these falsifications were themselves fabricated

43:51

on foreign servers somewhere abroad, and

43:53

then there will be endless talk about

43:55

Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. So,

43:58

someone with the username “Plate of Rice” asks me:

44:00

in Saratov, there will be a lot of observers at polling stations,

44:02

so we are

44:03

ready. Well done, “Plate of Rice,” well done.

44:06

That’s very important, because in Saratov Region

44:08

44:09

in the last State Duma (Russia’s lower house of parliament) elections,

44:10

it became notorious because there, there

44:14

Volodin, the speaker of the

44:16

State Duma, won—and at several polling stations, at

44:18

many polling stations, there was an absolutely identical

44:20

result.

44:20

sixty-two point two percent, which could

44:23

happen only with a probability of about one

44:25

trillionth of a percent—but in Saratov

44:27

it happened. So of course, across the entire

44:29

Volga region—Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Saratov—we

44:33

really need to keep an eye on what

44:36

is happening there. There will be fraud, and the authorities

44:38

won’t be able to manage here—without these

44:40

manipulations, and

44:44

once again I urge you: go right now

44:47

and get your referral. Don’t wait until the last

44:50

seconds, because afterward it’ll be total chaos for

44:52

us, and the candidates are not really the kind

44:57

you can rely on. I, well, I

45:00

am worried that right now they’ll start, in the

45:02

final moments, on orders from the Kremlin,

45:04

taking away our referrals. In other words, we still

45:06

still have a workable situation, but for now, go

45:11

as quickly as possible and get this

45:13

referral. Let’s go over it, let’s

45:15

answer a question there, let’s talk about

45:16

Skripal. And Alexei

45:18

asks: Petrovich, for what reason

45:20

doesn’t the CEC say which polling stations will have

45:22

video surveillance installed? It would make things

45:24

harder for you to place observers, Petrovich.

45:26

That’s why they don’t say. But naturally, at

45:28

half of the polling stations there is video surveillance, and

45:31

we can ask our, uh, underage

45:33

supporters to simply watch throughout the day

45:35

all those video feeds.

45:37

At the other half there isn’t. Of course, it would be logical

45:40

for us to monitor by video where it exists, and at all

45:42

the rest deploy observers so that

45:44

this doesn’t happen. The CEC, right up

45:46

to the very last moment, dragged this whole thing out.

45:49

Pamfilova promised that tomorrow it would be

45:50

disclosed. I don’t know whether it will be disclosed or

45:52

not, but you see—they are afraid of monitoring.

45:55

Of course they’re afraid. Well, what is there

45:57

to say? People are being dragged to the polls

46:00

by force. The Kremlin itself doesn’t understand how this

46:03

will work, and we don’t understand either. Maybe for them

46:05

it will work perfectly, and they’ll drag by the

46:08

scruff of the neck something like 70 percent turnout at a polling station. There may

46:10

even be reports of that. Or maybe it will be

46:13

the opposite—a failure. No one really

46:15

understands this properly, and just in case they are preparing

46:16

a big button that will mean

46:19

dumping in many millions of votes. They are

46:21

now using so-called absentee certificates, but

46:23

not absentee slips—absentee

46:25

certificates, supposedly for people who declared

46:28

that they want to vote in

46:30

another place. Five million people—do you

46:32

believe that? That means 4 percent

46:34

of the country’s voters applied through

46:37

Gosuslugi (Russia’s online government services portal) and got some kind of slips. But I

46:39

don’t believe it—it’s rigging. Besides, in Moscow

46:41

there aren’t actually that many of them; altogether it’s only

46:43

something like, to Moscow and from

46:46

Moscow, about 400 thousand people signed up, I think.

46:48

But clearly, that is—well, out of

46:51

those five million, a million should

46:53

be in Moscow, because Moscow is the main

46:55

center

46:55

of migration. People from the regions come here; they

46:58

are officially registered somewhere back in Irkutsk, but

47:01

they live in Moscow, so they want to vote

47:02

in Moscow. But no—somewhere around the country

47:05

these five million voters are just floating around.

47:07

My guess is that this is something like

47:10

that button—to throw in 5 million votes.

47:12

And for them to throw them in like that, in order to

47:14

go ahead and press the button, they will need to

47:16

get rid of our observers.

47:18

Vladislav asks: do you think they will start looking for a reason in the next two days

47:21

in order to

47:23

lock you up? They already have a reason. They didn’t lock me up,

47:25

as you put it,

47:26

on January 28 specifically so that

47:29

later they could lock me up at any convenient

47:31

moment. But I don’t think they will do it

47:34

before the election or during the election. We will have, during it, at the office,

47:36

we will have at the office

47:39

everything on the 18th of March—a big, big

47:42

broadcast, our traditional one. We’ll

47:44

be interested to see whether there will also be the traditional

47:46

sort of traditional thing with

47:47

cutting wires, smashing in

47:50

and sawing out doors. It will be interesting

47:53

to watch. Honestly, my forecast

47:55

is that I won’t be arrested, because why

47:59

would they need that?

48:00

Why would they need those headlines? Skripal, of course,

48:04

is the most discussed—the most

48:06

discussed topic right now in the whole world, and in

48:08

Russia this topic is being discussed much

48:10

more than even the election, more than all

48:14

the other topics. And rightly so,

48:16

because this is something that will very strongly

48:19

affect everything that happens inside

48:22

the country and outside the country over the next few

48:24

years—literally several years, without any

48:26

doubt. Let’s once again, in broad terms, go over

48:28

what happened. This man was

48:31

an officer of the GRU (Russian military intelligence) for several

48:34

years, and at some point he began working for

48:38

British intelligence—that is,

48:40

he became a traitor. He was caught, exposed,

48:43

and sent to prison. He was given 13 years,

48:45

of which he served, I think, 7

48:47

or maybe 4 years—but in any case, he served quite a bit.

48:49

That is, generally speaking, they could have

48:51

killed him in prison if they had wanted to, but he spent

48:53

some amount of time there, and then he

48:55

was exchanged.

48:56

He continued living in the United Kingdom, working

48:59

for British intelligence. It is further known

49:01

that he gave some kind of training sessions for them,

49:05

lectured, did various things—so, in other words, he was

49:08

let’s put it this way: we do not understand what is happening

49:11

inside the GRU, and we are not supposed to understand, because

49:13

that is why it is a secret agency. But I think

49:16

that among some ordinary employees and

49:18

not-so-ordinary ones, there is a sufficient amount of

49:22

emotion and reason there to really

49:27

dislike Skripal very much.

49:28

and plan operations against him

49:31

of varying degrees of severity—well, intelligence services

49:35

there are intelligence services, and we understand that the people

49:36

who work there live

49:39

by somewhat different rules. Another matter is

49:42

that even when they live by different

49:44

rules, they probably should not

49:47

do things in this way, dispersing

49:49

weapons of mass destruction and poisoning

49:52

20 people. So, Skripal

49:54

was poisoned in exactly this way—poisoned

49:58

with some substance. They were found on

50:01

a bench in the English city of Salisbury

50:03

and the police officer who approached them also

50:06

ended up in a coma

50:07

another 21 people who were passing by

50:10

were affected. Naturally, all of England was

50:14

up in arms. Notice that when Putin

50:16

delivered his address and

50:18

talked about how Russia had terrifying missiles

50:21

and all that sort of thing, basically nobody cared

50:22

I even saw a roundup of British newspapers on the

50:27

day when Putin was threatening everyone with his

50:29

new missiles and fireballs, and all

50:31

the British newspapers were writing about the snowdrifts

50:32

in the streets and how difficult it was

50:34

for us Britons to get through those snowdrifts

50:36

to make our way through them. Nobody cared about

50:37

Putin's missiles. But when the Skripal

50:39

case happened, it was the exact

50:41

opposite—everyone went crazy

50:45

Naturally, everyone immediately blamed Russia. I

50:48

can say that as of today

50:52

there really is no

50:54

100 percent proof. At

50:56

the moment there is nothing except

50:59

opinions and statements from British, and no longer only

51:03

British, intelligence services

51:05

that would show or prove that

51:08

Russia was involved. But there is a certain

51:13

body of circumstantial, circumstantial

51:16

evidence, and there is some direct

51:18

evidence, and so of course the first

51:20

version that arose was

51:23

Russia's involvement. Personally, I repeat,

51:26

these are still only versions. I do not know

51:29

what happened. I also lean toward this

51:31

version, simply

51:33

on the basis of reasons that cannot

51:35

be denied. First, Skripal appears to have

51:38

indeed been poisoned with this agent,

51:40

Novichok, and although its formula is classified,

51:45

it is, broadly speaking,

51:46

known in the world, because the creators

51:48

of this Novichok agent left back in the 1990s

51:52

a Russian scientist, a Russian scientist

51:55

who had worked at a secret institute

51:56

first of all wrote a book; he was persecuted here for that

51:59

and he left for the United States. We do not

52:01

of course doubt that all Western

52:04

intelligence services, Western researchers, whoever

52:06

you like, know quite well what

52:09

this Novichok is, and that is precisely why they so

52:11

quickly established that Skripal had been

52:17

poisoned

52:17

with this gas, this very gas. Second,

52:21

this case is in fact an almost exact copy of

52:25

the so-called

52:26

Litvinenko case, and when

52:29

the poisoning of Litvinenko had just happened

52:30

everyone said exactly the same thing: well,

52:33

what would be the point for Russia in doing this? It is so

52:36

stupid, so obvious. But it turned out—I

52:40

believe that in the Litvinenko case there is

52:41

absolutely sufficient evidence

52:43

to be confident that this was done by

52:46

representatives of the Russian security services

52:48

and very stupid representatives at that

52:51

of the Russian security services, because he was

52:53

poisoned with a radioactive substance. While

52:55

it was being transported, they contaminated the entire airplane. Then

52:59

when they were mixing this

53:03

radioactive substance in the restroom

53:04

of a restaurant, the whole stall, all of it,

53:08

in that restroom, was contaminated, so it had to be

53:11

cleaned and decontaminated

53:13

It was the same story: one way or another,

53:16

more than 20

53:19

completely random people were exposed. One of

53:21

the attackers, one of these killers, by his own

53:26

handling of this polonium, himself

53:30

did not just avoid it—he himself came down with radiation sickness,

53:32

he himself suffered radiation sickness. You see,

53:34

Lugovoi, who later became a State Duma deputy (member of Russia's lower house of parliament), and

53:37

he is one of the most idiotic and

53:39

stupid deputies in the whole lot

53:41

the stupidity of the method reflects the stupidity

53:44

of this Lugovoi, which you can easily

53:46

trace from any political

53:48

statement he makes. That is,

53:49

it is like the film *Dumb and Dumber*

53:51

These people were assigned to carry out such a

53:54

demonstrative murder, and they

53:57

did it. They left behind a huge

53:59

number of traces by which they were

54:01

tracked—their movements and everything else. There is

54:04

a full body of evidence that

54:07

Russia was involved in this. And naturally,

54:09

you know, if it looks like a duck,

54:11

quacks like a duck, walks like a duck,

54:13

then it is most likely a duck. That is why

54:16

the British media

54:18

and the British intelligence services, at least at

54:20

this level, are now accusing

54:23

Russia of having done it, and

54:26

and it seems to me that the question of why this

54:29

was done—after all, it is not beneficial—is

54:31

completely the wrong way to frame the issue

54:32

It is beneficial to the current Putin regime

54:36

It is beneficial, and we can see how that

54:38

benefit is being realized right now

54:39

Turn on the TV and you will see: our

54:42

entire political agenda has once again

54:44

shifted to international affairs and to

54:47

discussion of what terrible enemies there are in the West

54:48

what awful bastards they are, how they have no

54:51

evidence, yet they are persecuting us

54:52

That is exactly what Putin needs, nothing more

54:55

He doesn’t need anything else; he doesn’t need it so that during

54:57

the election campaign and after the elections, we

54:59

would discuss anything here except

55:02

Russia’s problems—even his notorious nuclear

55:05

missile.

55:05

They do start discussing it, but only in a way

55:07

that says there is no missile at all. Experts

55:10

say there’s nobody left—they drove everyone out of

55:12

our supposedly super, mega institute; the salary is

55:15

16,000 rubles (about $270 at the time). Go on, tell us about the missile.

55:18

Take any topic at all, from agriculture

55:21

to housing and utilities, to law enforcement

55:23

agencies—discussing any of that is extremely

55:26

unprofitable for Putin. Why the hell would he want

55:28

that discussed? It’s much better if Maria

55:30

Zakharova is on Vladimir Solovyov’s talk show

55:33

shouting, “How dare they—those people—

55:36

we’ll hit them back ourselves right now, we won’t let

55:38

them get away with their damn ultimatums!” A person

55:41

can understand that—sure, somehow, yes, that sounds right.

55:42

And then: hold back a little, and tell them to go to hell

55:45

already.

55:45

with their ultimatums. So, well, basically,

55:48

that’s a normal reaction for a significant

55:51

number of the country’s citizens, especially those

55:54

who don’t know what happened—

55:56

they turned on the TV and were told that, well,

55:58

the British, and maybe the Ukrainians too,

56:00

bumped off some traitor over there themselves,

56:02

and now they’re accusing us, making

56:05

ultimatums at us—so to hell with them, that’s

56:07

why this is such a huge advantage, and this

56:10

is going to be a long-running series for years.

56:13

They’ll impose sanctions on us, and we

56:15

will make some indignant noises in response.

56:17

Literally just before the program began,

56:19

Donald Trump had already said that he, in

56:21

general, also supports this. He didn’t directly accuse

56:24

Russia the way

56:26

the UK, France, the EU countries,

56:31

and the U.S. State Department itself already did directly.

56:34

Trump still didn’t say outright there that Russia

56:36

was guilty, but he spoke in roughly the same

56:39

vein, so this will

56:41

once again be a wonderful song for many years, and

56:45

Vladimir Putin will be very happy.

56:47

And Theresa May, in particular, will make him

56:49

especially happy—Theresa May, who

56:52

as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom first

56:54

came out with some terribly tough

56:57

statements.

56:58

Let’s listen—one minute.

57:02

Her speech.

57:03

About those crafty Russians, where she said outright:

57:06

“Now we’re going to clear them all out,” and it even

57:10

seemed as if they really were about to start clearing out

57:11

various oligarchs, kicking them out of London,

57:15

and so on. One minute, one second—Theresa

57:16

May…

57:42

It is highly likely that…

57:48

[inaudible]

57:54

[inaudible]

58:20

You see, she’s practically saying right there:

58:23

“We’re going to hit back,” and the men in Parliament are telling

58:25

her

58:27

they support her, and it really looked like they were now

58:30

going to do something serious. But from our side,

58:32

it seems to me that the interest of a normal

58:35

Russian citizen—mine included—

58:37

lies in the British finally

58:38

coming down hard on Russian

58:40

oligarchs. I wrote about this: if

58:43

the British want to do something

58:44

that would really hurt Putin—three names:

58:46

Abramovich, Usmanov, Shuvalov. Let’s

58:49

kick them out too—that would be painful

58:51

for Putin’s regime. They even later asked

58:53

May what she thought about

58:55

Navalny’s proposal.

58:57

But overall, when it came to the deadline of the

58:59

ultimatum and all the rest of it,

59:01

it all turned into something rather

59:06

pathetic. And let’s look at what

59:09

actually happened—27 seconds. So what, on the

59:11

next day, did they say they would

59:13

do?

59:33

[inaudible]

59:40

[inaudible]

59:44

How terrible: 23 Russian

59:47

diplomats will be expelled; 23 British

59:50

diplomats will be expelled in exactly the same way the

59:52

next day.

59:53

But 23 Russian oligarchs and Russian

59:55

officials will remain in London, living

59:56

quite happily. Plus—horror of horrors—the royal

1:00:00

family won’t come to the opening of the World Cup

1:00:03

and won’t watch the matches. You know, an even

1:00:05

stronger, more powerful

1:00:08

sanction would be this: when Prince Harry’s

1:00:11

children are born—wonderful little babies,

1:00:14

very cute—we should ban Russians from

1:00:15

showing photos of the young princes and

1:00:18

cooing over them. That would be an even

1:00:20

harsher sanction. So of course

1:00:22

the UK’s response, so far, looks

1:00:25

not very convincing. But again, so far all

1:00:29

that has been said, for the general public, for

1:00:31

us, is just accusations spoken aloud.

1:00:35

There are no documents, nothing else.

1:00:37

That’s why I think this will be a very

1:00:40

long story, very advantageous for Putin, and I

1:00:45

really do share the view that

1:00:47

this was in fact done by the Russian

1:00:49

special services, and they did it so demonstratively

1:00:51

because it was a signal to Rodchenkov,

1:00:56

for example—a signal to people like Rodchenkov.

1:00:58

The Russian elite, all that pro-Putin

1:01:01

Kremlin riffraff, are people who are always

1:01:05

ready to betray him. After all, this is a crowd of

1:01:08

crooks and thieves, and these crooks and thieves,

1:01:10

of course, in certain circumstances, they

1:01:13

dream of leaving, they dream of

1:01:15

taking their money with them, and it is critically important for Putin

1:01:18

to tell everyone: “Guys, I’ll find you and

1:01:22

poison you, kill you very publicly.

1:01:25

Don’t think that if you’ve entered a witness protection

1:01:27

program—which Skripal obviously

1:01:29

was in; he was on video with a regular…

1:01:31

an employee, Misha, with styles, five cabins, dow

1:01:34

the special services, and we poisoned him like this

1:01:36

demonstratively

1:01:37

leaving such obvious traces, so don't

1:01:40

think that we won't find you, this is, this is

1:01:43

the main goal, plus a secondary goal, is once again

1:01:46

to shift all discussion to the current

1:01:48

political problems, but I think that

1:01:53

if more

1:01:57

clear evidence of involvement by

1:01:58

Russia is made public, then of course the sanctions will be much

1:02:02

harsher. All we can do is

1:02:04

hope that these sanctions will not once again

1:02:06

be directed, by both the authorities and

1:02:08

the West, against the Russian people

1:02:10

through some kind of sectoral sanctions against

1:02:12

the economy, but first and foremost against that

1:02:14

disgusting gang of crooks sitting there

1:02:17

in London, who, generally speaking, to the

1:02:19

delight of Britain's residents, the people of Russia

1:02:22

should have driven out of there long ago. So, I'm already

1:02:24

going a little off script on air, but I have

1:02:26

urgent news: at our headquarters in

1:02:29

St. Petersburg, please show the photo,

1:02:30

ballots were planted, exactly the same way as

1:02:33

they were recently planted at our Kaliningrad headquarters.

1:02:36

You may know, maybe you followed what happened in Kaliningrad:

1:02:38

the following happened. The police came there

1:02:40

with a search warrant. One of the police officers

1:02:42

went into the bathroom and locked himself in for some

1:02:44

time, and then they announced that they were now going to

1:02:46

open a new case, that is, yet another

1:02:48

search under a new case. They immediately went to the

1:02:50

bathroom, and in the bathroom they found a stack of

1:02:52

ballots. And now exactly the same kind of

1:02:53

ballots have been found at our St. Petersburg

1:02:55

headquarters.

1:02:56

In St. Petersburg, where there are traditionally many

1:02:59

election falsifications, and where there are a great many

1:03:00

observers—well done, people of St. Petersburg—

1:03:04

and of course the local authorities want

1:03:06

to paralyze the observers' work. So

1:03:08

we see, we see yet another provocation. As I

1:03:10

understand it, our people simply managed

1:03:12

to discover these ballots earlier than they

1:03:14

expected, and in this way we prevented

1:03:17

this provocation. But we are expecting roughly

1:03:19

the same kind of response. As far as I can see

1:03:21

here in this photograph, there were

1:03:25

already check marks filled in everywhere,

1:03:28

check marks placed next to every

1:03:30

candidate. So now they are going to

1:03:32

accuse us, saying that all

1:03:33

of Navalny's observers need to be

1:03:36

thrown out because they are provocateurs.

1:03:38

It's an obvious strategy. We are ready for it. We

1:03:42

will resist it with all our strength. We

1:03:43

must remain calm. We must

1:03:45

fight against all of this. And now, in fact,

1:03:49

I apologize for such a long

1:03:51

on-air digression, but I wanted to say this

1:03:53

because there are so many questions: what are you

1:03:54

going to do next, what happens now, well,

1:03:59

how can it be that they won't register us and

1:04:01

we won't be able to engage in politics?

1:04:03

I wanted to say a few words about a country called

1:04:07

Slovakia, because what happened there

1:04:10

is politics, and it is an example of what

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real politics actually is.

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In Slovakia, the following happened: there was a

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journalist who was investigating

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the ties between members of the local establishment

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and the Italian mafia. This journalist

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and his girlfriend were found dead in

1:04:28

his home. He was murdered, shot dead. Some

1:04:30

killers came and killed him. In Slovakia,

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a monstrous

1:04:34

scandal naturally erupted, because a journalist had been killed. In a

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normal society, that should trigger a

1:04:40

huge scandal. And when the authorities

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said, oh, how terrible, a journalist was killed, but

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overall—because comments started appearing

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along the lines of: it's his own fault,

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this is some kind of, well,

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Western plot, and so on—people engaged in

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real politics. Because the basic

1:05:00

principle of politics is that people

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take to the streets. And so in the streets of

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Bratislava, as you can see, there was a huge

1:05:09

demonstration of 50,000 people.

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For a country with a population of 450,000

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people, that is truly an enormous

1:05:20

demonstration. It took place there, and now

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it has culminated in this: today the prime minister

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of that country resigned, and judging by

1:05:28

everything, there will be early parliamentary

1:05:31

elections there.

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So I want to say to you, my dear friends,

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maybe they won't let us register

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parties, maybe they won't let us into

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elections—well, of course they won't

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register us or let us into elections

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because they are afraid, because we have

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a great many people, one way or another. After the 19th, after

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March 18, in 2019,

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in 2018, we must first and foremost

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see ourselves

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as active citizens, and we will

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make use of

1:06:02

every possible opportunity

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for political struggle, and above all

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the most important of them: taking to the streets. In any country, in the

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most democratic or the least

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democratic, real change

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happens when people, at the very

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grassroots, simplest, most basic

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level, express their dissatisfaction—simply

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go out and stand by some building where the

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government is and say: hello, I am unhappy

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with what you are doing. And because of that, people resign,

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and then people make

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some changes. We will do this, we

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will do everything else as well, because

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there are many of us.

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And this strike must lead to

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there being even more people among us

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who have realized their personal

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responsibility for the fate of our country.

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We’re wrapping up the results of our contest. We’re

1:06:53

raffling off this T-shirt.

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And the money you donate will go

1:06:58

to Chechnya, to send observers to Chechnya.

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Here are the results. Alexei

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Karpov sent 10,000 rubles (about 100 euros).

1:07:05

Andrei Parshin contributed 12,345 rubles, and

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"Only Victory 2018" sent us 14,156

1:07:16

rubles. Many thanks to everyone who

1:07:18

took part. It’s symbolic that "Only

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Victory" won, but symbolically, in fact, everyone won

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who donated any amount

1:07:25

of money and made it possible for us to send

1:07:27

several more observers to Chechnya. This

1:07:30

user will receive this

1:07:31

wonderful T-shirt. Please go

1:07:34

if you are an observer, and collect your

1:07:35

assignments. If you are not an observer,

1:07:38

spend the remaining couple of days campaigning

1:07:40

and talking to people. On March 18, we are boycotting

1:07:44

Putin’s re-election. On March 19, and

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throughout the rest of March and all the rest

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of the time, we really will devote ourselves to the fight for our

1:07:52

country against these disgusting

1:07:55

scoundrels who think it is their

1:07:57

personal property. See you

1:07:59

next Thursday. Bye-bye.

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[music]

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You know how it is in Marvel movies, when

1:08:20

the credits are already rolling, and then there’s some

1:08:24

extra funny scene. Ours isn’t

1:08:27

funny, it’s kind of silly. But well done, everyone.

1:08:29

They just sent in, literally in the last

1:08:31

second of the broadcast—Gerasimov, on the right, how much?

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24,000 rubles. "Only Victory 2018"

1:08:37

well done—the T-shirt goes to the hero with

1:08:40

the 24,000-ruble donation. But everyone

1:08:42

did great. This is funny. Thanks so much, everyone.

1:08:44

Marvel-style post-credits scene. Bye, everyone.

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See you on Thinking Thursday.

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[music]

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