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Hi. It's 8:00 p.m. in Moscow, which means

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that here in the Navalny Live studio, it's time for the program *Russia*

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*of the Future*, and I'm Alexei Navalny, or

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a star rolling toward his political sunset,

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as I was called this week.

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By the TV channel Life News. Honestly, I

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thought it no longer existed, that it had been

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shut down, but apparently it still exists and even

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comes up with such funny, uh,

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headlines for my program, for which

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many thanks to them. A lot of questions

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are coming in. I'll try now to answer

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them, on various topics. A reminder:

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write to me on Twitter with the hashtag Russia

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of the Future, and I'll try to take

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those questions. Well, I've also pulled some from

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the comments.

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Well, that is, I'll try to answer

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as much as I can. A lot of topics, a lot has

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happened, but

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I still want to start with the topic

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that hardly anyone asked me about.

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Sorry, everyone's covering it. Mars. Mars is

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cool. And we—well, never mind whether it's Americans or not,

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yes, the Americans sent

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a spacecraft to Mars. Just imagine,

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how damn far away

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Mars is. And they sent a rocket

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that flew there and somehow managed to land

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this thing, and it will operate there for 720

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days. That's fantastic. Let's be happy for

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humanity. Of course, there is a certain disappointment for

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us too, because our country used to be

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the pioneer,

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including when it came to

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landing craft, and now all we have is Rogozin,

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who drowns

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a dachshund. I even asked them not to show that picture

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of Rogozin drowning a dachshund. So that's

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what Russian space exploration looks like. Earlier today

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there was Vladimir Milov's program. Before me,

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he did one about space. It's all very

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sad there, but very interesting. Please watch

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it.

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So,

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I, Sergei Brilyov, solemnly, sincerely,

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and honestly swear by Almighty God that

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upon becoming a British citizen I

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will be faithful and bear true

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allegiance to Her Majesty Queen

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Elizabeth II, her heirs and

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successors. According to law, I will maintain

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loyalty to the United Kingdom and

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respect its rights and freedoms. I

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will uphold its democratic values. I

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will faithfully observe its laws and

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fulfill my duties and

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obligations

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as a British citizen. I don't know

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whether Sergei Brilyov said this with his

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hand on his heart. I don't know whether he was kneeling

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on one knee. I don't know whether maybe they put,

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as they do in England, some kind of

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sword on one shoulder and then the other. Or whether he

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had to kiss an official's feet

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or something else, or whether he had to

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demonstratively, as part of the ritual,

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spit on his Russian passport. But he

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did say it. He said it as an adult,

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you understand? All of us became

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citizens of Russia. Well, simply

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because that's where we ended up. I was

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a citizen of the Soviet Union, and like me

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Brilyov later became a citizen of Russia.

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I didn't take any special oath. And he

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didn't either, though maybe when he

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joined the Komsomol (the Soviet Communist youth organization), he said some kind of

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oath. I said an oath too

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when I became a Young Pioneer and an Octobrist (Soviet children's youth groups)

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in the Soviet Union. But when you're just

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a Russian citizen, you don't

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publicly swear anything. But Brilyov,

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as a mature adult, being, well,

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someone who already works for

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the state, who has a family, a wife, and he

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said these words in complete seriousness.

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I swear, I swear by Almighty God that

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I will remain loyal to Britain

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obligations. A British citizen,

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blah blah. And now all of us, well, ever since

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the last broadcast, this crook has

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admitted it—we cornered him, he simply had

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nowhere to retreat. Yes, he admitted

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that he is a British citizen, he

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admitted that we correctly found his

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London property, but it's just amazing how

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fiercely they defend him. Of course, the absolute

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pinnacle of hypocrisy here is Dmitry Peskov. When

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he was asked about it on Ekho Moskvy (Echo of Moscow, a radio station),

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he said: "So what's the big deal? What's

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wrong with that?" And Sergei Brilyov, well, for many

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years now

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we've known him as

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an absolute patriot,

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you understand?

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Okay, I see something on our screen is upside down.

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I hope that disappears now.

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And we've known him as an absolute

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patriot.

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Seriously, sorry, I just switched

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into Sergei

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Brilyov's language—an absolute patriot. Well,

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fine, even if you know him as

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what you consider—well, of course, by

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Peskov's standards—he's a patriot. We have an

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inside joke here that Peskov's family could make up a small

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NATO bloc.

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One of his children is in one NATO country,

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a citizen there; another child is in

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another NATO country; a third in a third one,

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and his wife is in yet another NATO country. It's

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just this little

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international battalion. But maybe

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to Peskov that looks like

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patriotism. But to also call this

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man an absolute patriot,

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a man who swore by Almighty

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to God that he would remain loyal in

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another country.

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Well, of course. The height of hypocrisy, just

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the absolute height of it. I’m telling you this as someone

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who, every single time I

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go abroad, whether for work or

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for vacation or for anything else, there at the

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airport I’m followed around by a whole battalion of these

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little weirdos. Some with cameras, some

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with phones. There’s always, without fail,

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some guy sitting there, some kind of

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FSB man (from Russia’s security service), who’s got his

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phone pointed right at the boarding gate,

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filming me while pretending

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that he’s just sitting there, thinking about

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the birds. It’s always incredibly obvious, it’s

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very funny. They immediately post this

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“secret footage” to some

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Telegram channels and write: “Navalny has

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left the country.” An interesting,

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interesting move for a politician

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claiming to be a leader of the opposition.

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Somehow that doesn’t seem very patriotic. He’s probably

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gone to see his masters. There you have it.

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And yet all of them, you understand, swear by

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Almighty God—they’re such believers, after all.

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Honestly, how has lightning not

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struck them, excuse my language, and burned them

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to ashes for words like that? They

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swear by Almighty God, they are citizens

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of other states, and yet they’re absolute

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patriots. And for Putin,

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that’s normal, for this whole system

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it’s normal. What’s interesting is that I still,

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quite often, despite, well,

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despite my extensive experience of

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dealing with the authorities’ hypocrisy, I still often

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think that somehow they’ll

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react. Like, all right, we found some

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property abroad. Well,

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if we found out that he’s a British

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citizen, that he swore an oath,

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surely now they’ll at least gently

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push him out. No, no, no—they’ll keep

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him. He’ll stay right where he is, and everything

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will remain exactly as it is. And then they’ll

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pretend: “Well

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uh, what’s the big deal? What’s the big deal?” Well

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after all, we here in the Kremlin have never

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never held anything against people

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because they had ties abroad.

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Never, not at all, we’ve

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never done anything even remotely

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like that.” And this is being said by the very people who,

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since Brilev is a journalist, shook up

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the entire media market like this.

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Take the whole situation with *The New Times* magazine.

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Why? Because there was some kind of

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foreign money involved. It was labeled a

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foreign agent. It was fined

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22 million rubles (about hundreds of thousands of U.S. dollars). They’re trying to destroy

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the magazine because some money

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came in from abroad.

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And these are Russian citizens. They’re

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publishing a magazine—a truthful magazine—about

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the Russian agenda, but they have to be

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crushed. Amazing. Foreign

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agents,

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the newspaper *Vedomosti* and Demyan Kudryavtsev,

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whom I’m no fan of. I’ve criticized him many times,

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I don’t like him,

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and I absolutely don’t like what they did

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to *Vedomosti*. But, excuse me,

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it is an absolute injustice

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what is happening to them. Their

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founding owners included *The Wall Street Journal* and the *Financial Times*.

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They were forced to sell *Vedomosti*.

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And that poor

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Kudryavtsev is being pushed out of the country too,

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because he has an Israeli passport.

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But he isn’t even an official, he’s just

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some guy, really. He’s involved in

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some business, just going about his

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own affairs, whether good or bad,

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but he’s not living off state budget money. Even so,

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they’re pressured from all sides, they’re

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tormented—foreign agents, spies,

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enemies. The European University at

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St. Petersburg—they pressured it because

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it had many foreign

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professors. Foreign professors are,

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of course, agents of influence; through them

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harmful ideas are being planted.

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Crush them, destroy them, grind them down,

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trample them. Yes, all these propagandists,

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yes, I posted this on

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Twitter and, well, I’ll just show it here again

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—I posted it on my blog too. Remember

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the story with Rustem

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Adagamov, back in the days

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when there was the Coordination Council, and they

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were opening criminal cases against all the members

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of the Coordination Council left and right—well,

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Adagamov had Norwegian citizenship, and

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good Lord, how much he suffered for that.

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And he got it in some perfectly natural

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way. He had been going there for many years,

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some relatives live there. I don’t

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know the exact details. But there he was,

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uh,

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a citizen of Norway and at the same time

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a citizen of Russia. And that was presented as

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“look, the opposition has dual citizenship.”

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“Just look at them, these opposition figures, they’re so

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awful. See, Vladimir Solovyov (a pro-Kremlin TV host)

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is corresponding with this other nasty

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little guy. It’s just funny how the opposition

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loves dual citizenship.”

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And now these same people—let’s look at

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what this Gorgadze is writing now.

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Opening their little eyes wide in astonishment,

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spreading their little hands, they look at us and

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say: “My God, why are you

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picking on Sergei Brilev? It’s only…”

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Tell me, comrades, gentlemen

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liberals and sympathizers, what exactly

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is the problem?

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What is it, exactly, that we’re supposedly not understanding, and what is all the fuss about?

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A fuss? Well, it’s only that there’s some kind of

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British citizenship held by the deputy head of VGTRK (Russia’s state broadcasting company). And

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we just don’t understand what all the fuss is about. Well,

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what brazen swine and hypocrites they are. This is

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just some final stage of it all. But I

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one thing that makes me— actually, two things, I’d even

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say there are two things that drive me

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into a rage, right?

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Well, England—Britain now—it

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aside from Ukraine, is practically

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officially considered the most hostile

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country toward Russia. Look at what

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Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova says. Constantly,

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she denounces those awful English. Dmitry

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Kiselyov tears into them.

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The Foreign Ministry is bursting with the most terrible,

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curses directed at Britain,

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which is supposedly staging some kind of,

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endless provocations against Russia.

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I mean, it’s practically, no more and no less than,

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a potential enemy, or a country of

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a probable adversary, as they used to say in the

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USSR (Soviet Union). Right now, ask anyone on the

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street which countries are the most hostile

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to Russia. And a person who

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watches television will say: "Well,

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Ukraine, of course, and in second place

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Britain, and in third place the United States."

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And Brilyov sits on the public council

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of the Ministry of Defense, despite the fact

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that this is explicitly forbidden. And yet these are

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the same people who constantly preach patriotism and

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passed a special law. Well, in order

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to make sure that some of those, what do you call them,

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liberals or opposition types, wouldn’t accidentally

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slip in there. As I understand it,

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this was adopted because Lyudmila Alexeyeva,

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the well-known human rights activist, had

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American citizenship. And there were also quite a few

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people among human rights activists who

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had been expelled abroad back in Soviet times

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and obtained citizenship

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in some other country. And now they

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have dual citizenship. And so that such

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people wouldn’t get in, they passed a special

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law stating that members of

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public chambers cannot be

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citizens of foreign states or

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persons holding dual citizenship.

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And Brilyov sits there. At the Ministry of Defense.

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Well, maybe members of the public council

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of the Ministry of Defense don’t have access to

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state secrets, some kind of military

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secret or anything like that, but still—

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it’s the Ministry of Defense. You’re entering

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places there, you’re,

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well, at the very least you’re definitely sitting in

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the minister’s office. You can get into

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certain facilities. I spent my whole life living in

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a closed military town. My parents live in

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a military town—Krasnoznamensk. And

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to get in there, I have to

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go to the checkpoint every time, hand over my

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passport, and they issue me a pass. And,

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despite the fact that my parents

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live there, there’s a notice posted there this

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big saying that in order to get

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onto the territory of our town, you need

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some kind of letter signed personally by the

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Minister of Defense. I remember that because

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I was stunned. Maybe, of course, they’ve

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changed the procedure by now, but I

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was also amazed and thought, my God, how do

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all those Tajik

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workers, Uzbek workers get in here, because

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it says there that a foreigner can

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enter only with permission personally from the Minister

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of Defense.

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So it turns out that Brilyov, with his—I’ll never

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get tired of repeating this—sincere and honest

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oath before Almighty God of loyalty,

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true allegiance to Her Majesty

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the Queen, goes wandering everywhere.

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He goes everywhere. He goes where we

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Russian citizens are forbidden to enter,

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because he is

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a member of the Defense Ministry’s public council, and

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before that he was a member of the public

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council of the Interior Ministry.

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The irony is that Brilyov,

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if he is a citizen of a foreign

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state, is required to notify the

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relevant authority, and he is supposed to

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notify the Interior Ministry. I mean, now directly

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the Interior Ministry, and back then the Federal

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Migration Service, the FMS, which

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reported to the Interior Ministry and was part of its structure.

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So he writes to the Interior Ministry. Well, I think he

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didn’t write anything, of course—he’s lying about absolutely everything—but

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in theory, what would that

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look like? He writes to the Interior Ministry: Hello,

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guys, I’m a citizen of the United Kingdom,

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I swore true allegiance. The Interior Ministry

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says, "All right." And a couple of years later

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it appoints him to a public council where

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he is barred from serving as a citizen of

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Britain. Well, that means only one thing:

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Brilyov, of course, never notified any

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authorities. That carries criminal

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liability under that same rather

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idiotic and useless law that

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the Kremlin passed to torment ordinary

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citizens. We have loads of people who

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simultaneously hold citizenship of Ukraine

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and Russia, Belarus and Russia,

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Turkmenistan and Russia. Good Lord, the Soviet

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Union was just some endless

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jumble of people with careers and fates

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who lived in different countries and now

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don’t even know whose citizens they are:

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Moldova’s, Russia’s, Ukraine’s, Uzbekistan’s.

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Russians lived everywhere. So they come here,

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the poor things suffer because they can’t

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get a Russian passport. Then they

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do get a Russian passport, but they

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still have some old

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Uzbek one they used to have. They lived in

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Tashkent. And the lives of these people are very

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is made more complicated by all this nonsense and garbage,

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because there are a ton of restrictions. You're

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basically a foreigner, basically treated like an enemy,

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you have to report things about yourself.

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So an ordinary person gets pushed around, while this

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British citizen

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serves at VGTRK (the All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company) as deputy director

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general. Well, of course,

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this certainly tells us something, on the one hand, about

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these procedures of

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secrecy, yes, the procedures for checking

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someone's background, and in general about what

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is going on there—well, what's going on there is simply

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a complete mess. We found out that,

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uh, Brilev is a foreign citizen, and

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the Defense Ministry's counterintelligence, which

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is directly supposed to determine whether

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a foreign citizen is wandering around the General Staff building or going into

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Shoigu's office past completely

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top-secret things—whether a foreign

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citizen is doing that. They didn't find that out. But on the

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other hand, again, it's total

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hypocrisy. Of course, they all have

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dual citizenship.

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Either their children have dual citizenship, or they

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dream of having dual citizenship themselves.

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Probably not all of them have something as

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prestigious as British citizenship. More like some

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passport from Saint Kitts and Nevis

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or whatever it's called, or from some

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Bahamas island or other. They've all got them

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hidden under the pillow somewhere, so that if anything happens

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they can get on a plane. Goodbye. Goodbye,

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Russia. Goodbye, Russians.

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I'm leaving and taking a couple of billion with me, while

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you sit there like fools in your snow,

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poor, with the retirement age raised,

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while I'm here smoking a cigar on the

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Bahamas. They're all like that. This is

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a disgusting,

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lying regime, absolutely colonial in its

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essence. That's what it is. Why did Brilev

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admit everything? Not because he somehow felt he had

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to answer to us. The one thing that really makes him

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uncomfortable is this: if he were to

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deny it and publicly say, "Navalny

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is lying, and I don't have any citizenship,

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any nationality, as all those propagandists first started writing,

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he could have

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done that. And what could we have

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set against it? No UK Home Office

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is ever going to give me

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a certificate saying that Brilev is a foreign

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citizen. Unless—until—we caught

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him literally holding his passport open like this,

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there was no other proof. Well,

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he is in the database. That's substantial

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evidence. He could have said it was all

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lies, the way they've said many times before. Yes,

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lies. There's no dacha, no nothing. Just some papers.

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He could have said that. But he has

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neighbors, he has a border officer,

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he has some respectable British

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society he socializes with.

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He probably has a school,

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a privileged one, that his

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child attends, and later there'll probably be a university. And,

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well, they sit among these people. And

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patriotism in Britain is, well,

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an important thing. Everyone knows that

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you swore allegiance to the Queen. So

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the next time he was sitting there,

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I don't know, with the parents of his daughter's classmates,

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someone might ask him:

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"Sergei, maybe we've

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misunderstood something, but we

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read in *The Times*

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that you renounced it and said you don't have

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our citizenship. So you must have turned in

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your passport, right? Because we're, we're, we're

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proper, stiff British people who

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drink tea. Not from just any cup, but from

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some properly British one. We

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simply cannot imagine a situation where you

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first swore allegiance to our Queen,

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and then suddenly said, 'Nothing of the sort

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ever happened.'"

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And Brilev is very uncomfortable in this

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situation in front of them. As for us, he

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doesn't care, because this is a colonial

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administration. To them, we're natives.

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Running around naked with drums and with these

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things around our necks and those things,

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you know, the ones under the lip, like in pictures in

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*National Geographic*. These funny little

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people running around,

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people with spears, and there's oil

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in the ground there. Then wonderful

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planters and colonizers like Sergei

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Brilev arrive. They smoke cigarettes through some

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fancy gadget, pump out the oil, and

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go back home. And after working a little

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in these awful, awful conditions in

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Russia, they then tell each other

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amusing stories about the funny

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habits of the natives—how they do all sorts of

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ridiculous things, what drunkards they are, how

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they're just not like us. They're not

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civilized, they're dirty, they don't even have

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manicures. Not at all. So I'm just so

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glad to be back with our own kind again,

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gentlemen, to have some tea or a bit of whisky

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or whatever else. And this, of course,

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is an important thing. I want as many

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people as possible to understand that Putin

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has established a colonial

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administration here. That is, he—well, he—

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of course doesn't run around reporting

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to someone else; he isn't

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a governor-general who

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answers to somebody above him. But he himself is

21:14

more like a kind of foreign monarch who

21:18

rules here over these, uh,

21:22

colonizers.

21:24

But of course they all want to leave. They

21:27

want to live some good, decent

21:29

life over there, not here.

21:33

The last thing I want to say is,

21:36

And on this subject, there’s something that, well,

21:43

is already basically criminal, right, and we

21:46

are demanding that VGTRK (Russia’s state broadcasting company) now be

21:48

declared a foreign agent. After all, there

21:50

is a person there who exerts

21:51

significant influence over editorial

21:53

policy. There is. We want Sergei

21:55

Brilyov not to explain on Facebook where

21:58

people like us belong, but instead to go to his own

22:00

audience directly and say:

22:02

"Guys, you know, it turns out that

22:03

there’s this thing. Well, not exactly that it turned out—I thought

22:06

you all already knew, but I’m actually

22:08

a British citizen, uh, well, that doesn’t

22:11

affect anything. I’m going to keep

22:12

doing my program and keep

22:14

telling you how great life is

22:16

in Russia. Don’t pay attention to the fact

22:17

that I’m a British citizen." Of course, he

22:19

won’t do that. And neither he

22:23

nor VGTRK will be declared

22:26

a foreign agent. But this whole foreign-agent

22:27

issue—just look at it

22:30

in this context, how monstrously

22:31

it looks. Remember there was a foundation called

22:33

Dynasty.

22:36

Russian businessman Dmitry Zimin

22:37

founded the company Beeline, which everyone knows.

22:40

He built it from scratch and made

22:44

a substantial amount of money from it, and then

22:46

he spent that money supporting scientists,

22:48

funding various books—in other words,

22:50

he was simply doing something wonderful,

22:52

something truly admirable.

22:54

He was declared a foreign agent because,

22:56

well, after selling Beeline,

22:58

his money was sitting in some

22:59

foreign bank. And then he transferred that money

23:02

from the foreign bank here to

23:04

Russia and gave it to Russian scientists. So

23:07

a Russian citizen, a Russian

23:09

man, was giving other Russian people his own

23:12

Russian money. He was declared a foreign

23:14

agent. The foundation was shut down, and now he

23:17

can no longer give money. Those scientists

23:19

were left without funding.

23:22

An even more extreme and simply

23:24

outrageous case: maybe you heard about when

23:28

they got onto this whole thing of fighting

23:30

NGOs labeled as foreign agents—they shut down

23:33

an NGO in Saratov that helped people

23:36

with diabetes. And, uh, well, in Russia who

23:40

is it that gives money—what wealthy people donate

23:43

to fight diabetes? Uh, they were getting

23:45

money from foreigners. But they were asking

23:47

some foreign foundations, writing:

23:48

"Hello, we’re from Saratov, people here

23:50

are dying from diabetes. Please give us

23:51

$20,000 so that we can

23:53

buy them insulin and provide syringes."

23:55

And the foreigners would say: "All right, we’ll give

23:57

you $20,000 because, well,

23:59

your rich people—Abramovich and

24:01

Usmanov—they mostly invest in yachts.

24:03

Fine, we’ll give it to you so that

24:05

someone in Saratov can be treated." They

24:07

were shut down. They were declared foreign

24:09

agents and shut down. And then a young woman died

24:11

in Saratov afterward because she did not

24:13

receive

24:15

her medication in time. She did not receive

24:18

treatment in time. For several months she

24:20

was trying to get the medication she was legally entitled to—

24:23

insulin or whatever else she needed—

24:25

because she was entitled to it by law.

24:27

She didn’t get it, and she died because

24:31

those bastards declared the foundation a foreign

24:34

agent and shut it down.

24:37

And Brilyov, you understand, was at the head of this

24:40

disgusting

24:43

structure that destroyed this young woman,

24:45

drove her to her death—there sat Sergei

24:48

Brilyov and Dmitry Peskov, all of whom are

24:52

completely entangled with foreign countries

24:54

up to their ears. And yet they say: "Well, if

24:56

someone sent money to Saratov and they bought

24:59

insulin with foreign money—foreign agents,

25:01

let them die, so long as nothing like that happens."

25:04

But

25:07

the next phrase that came into my

25:09

head was something like: these people should be executed.

25:11

I am fundamentally opposed to the death

25:13

penalty, so I will not say: "These

25:15

people should be executed," but they really do need

25:16

to all be imprisoned. They need to be imprisoned. They

25:19

should be marched in disgrace through the

25:22

streets of cities. They should be sent for

25:24

re-education, made to sit through

25:26

some kind of courses, and then publicly

25:28

repent. That starts to sound like some kind of

25:30

Chinese Red Guards. No, well, that’s

25:31

probably too much as well. Of course.

25:34

But let’s think about how these people

25:36

really should be punished, because

25:39

they are killers and hypocrites,

25:42

disgusting crooks. That is exactly why

25:45

you should join our campaign, our

25:48

Project 2019. Damn, I spent 26 minutes

25:52

talking about Brilyov and couldn’t

25:53

stop. I hope

25:55

I’ll still manage to cover a few other topics.

25:57

Join in, because, uh, this

26:01

regime rests on many things.

26:05

Bought judges, corrupt

26:07

police, total lies on state TV channels,

26:10

Brilyov, and so on. But one of the

26:13

most important supports of this rotten table

26:16

is, of course, the United Russia party,

26:18

which now controls everything. And we

26:21

have launched a project to fight

26:24

United Russia’s monopoly. I know all

26:27

your arguments; I’ll answer some

26:29

questions now. You’ll say to me: "Well, it’s

26:31

not just United Russia—there are also

26:32

the Communists, A Just Russia,

26:34

they’re all very similar." That’s true, they

26:36

really are all very similar, but they

26:38

are similar. And all these Communists,

26:40

A Just Russia, the LDPR members — they are in

26:42

such a pitiful state because they have

26:44

nothing.

26:46

They can’t even dare to speak up or

26:49

get cocky, because everywhere, 90, 80,

26:53

70 percent of everything is controlled by United Russia. And

26:56

our project is very simple. It concerns

27:00

non-party lists. That is the main

27:02

difference. A lot of people now

27:04

keep reminding me that I haven’t

27:06

come up with anything new. It’s the same thing you proposed

27:07

back in 2011: vote for any

27:09

party against United Russia. Back then there were

27:12

party lists. After we

27:15

ran our campaign and lowered the rating of

27:17

United Russia, they all but

27:20

got rid of party lists in the regions and very sharply,

27:23

in any case, reduced them and kept

27:25

winning everywhere, because everywhere

27:27

there is a single-member district candidate. That

27:29

single-member candidate is from United Russia. Say, in

27:31

some Ryazan City Duma (city council), or in

27:33

the city council of your district, or in

27:35

the legislative assembly of your region.

27:37

United Russia candidates always won because they had

27:39

a guaranteed base there of 35%. And

27:41

everyone else gets split up. And now,

27:44

why am I announcing this now? Well, in

27:46

a sense, a window of

27:47

opportunity has opened, because first,

27:50

voter turnout has fallen sharply; fewer

27:53

people are going to these elections, and

27:56

with a smaller number of votes we can

27:59

affect the results. Second:

28:01

the increase in the retirement age. It’s just that

28:03

right now, among those who always go to

28:05

vote — pensioners — there has emerged

28:07

a fairly large number of people

28:10

who now always vote against United

28:12

Russia. Let’s now briefly

28:14

take a few seconds, one minute, on the

28:17

math behind this smart voting,

28:19

after which I’ll continue. Hi, this is

28:22

Navalny, and now I’ll tell you how

28:23

we are going to defeat United Russia in

28:26

elections. A typical United Russia candidate in

28:28

regional elections in a large city

28:30

gets between 35 and 45 percent.

28:34

Against the United Russia candidate, the majority of voters

28:37

vote for other candidates — 55

28:40

or 65 percent. But those votes are split

28:44

among the so-called systemic

28:47

opposition. Some go to the Communist,

28:49

some to Zhirinovsky’s party. A Just Russia

28:52

gets a little, Yabloko gets a little,

28:53

someone else gets a little. And just like that, your

28:56

interests in the local parliament are once again

28:59

represented by a United Russia member. How hard would it really

29:01

be for us to agree

29:04

to vote United Russia out? Not hard.

29:07

We need to bring to the polls

29:09

just an additional 3 percent of new

29:12

voters. And among those who have already

29:14

voted against United Russia, we need

29:17

to persuade one-third to vote smart — that is,

29:20

to consolidate, according to our plan,

29:22

around a single candidate. That is more than

29:25

realistic,

29:27

guys. I know what your main

29:29

question is. I keep track of what people ask. Here’s

29:32

one of the main questions. People say to me:

29:33

“Alexei: why the hell should we

29:35

vote for the systemic parties?”

29:38

The Communists, the LDPR. Why not give us

29:41

some decent people instead, and we’ll

29:43

vote for them?”

29:44

Sure. Of course I want to vote

29:46

for decent people, but those candidates aren’t

29:48

allowed to run. Our party isn’t being registered,

29:51

so it would be a great system

29:54

if we could, for example, nominate

29:56

this list of decent people. We will

29:58

of course nominate one for the elections to the

30:00

Moscow City Duma. In strong districts, we will nominate

30:02

excellent candidates, and you

30:04

will see that they are the strongest

30:06

candidates. But there is a high probability

30:08

that they won’t be allowed to run, our party won’t be

30:09

registered, and so regardless

30:10

the elections will still come, and still

30:13

40 percent of the population, maybe 20 percent,

30:16

will go to vote. We can ignore it,

30:19

and let United

30:20

Russia keep controlling 80 percent. But right now

30:24

the situation is such that with relatively

30:26

small efforts, if we

30:29

agree among ourselves and understand that, well, here in

30:31

this district, really, our

30:33

candidate whom we nominated — if he

30:35

is still on the ballot, let’s go vote for him.

30:37

Where our candidates were not allowed to run, we

30:40

will simply vote for candidate number

30:41

two — a Communist or an A Just Russia candidate.

30:43

Of course, that Communist

30:45

or A Just Russia candidate, or that LDPR member, may

30:47

turn out to be a rather unpleasant

30:48

character, but our task is this:

30:51

if United Russia has 70 percent,

30:55

to bring it down to 60, or better yet 40 — then

30:58

that systemic opposition will start acting

31:01

differently. The next argument I hear

31:04

all the time is: so what, you want

31:07

to make us vote for

31:08

the Communists? Fine, we voted for

31:09

the Communists, and then they either joined United

31:11

Russia or started doing the same thing

31:13

that United Russia does. Yes, they did

31:16

start doing that now, because when

31:19

Communists — or, let’s say, non-

31:21

United Russia candidates — get elected somewhere, that is

31:23

an absolutely isolated case. Say

31:26

someone became governor, but his

31:27

legislative assembly is meanwhile completely

31:30

packed with United Russia people. Everywhere, nothing but

31:32

United Russia members. All the deputies are from United Russia.

31:34

He can’t do anything. But when

31:38

we reduce the level of voting for United

31:41

Russia and deprive them of their majority, you

31:43

you’ll see that this opposition will be a completely

31:46

different kind of opposition. But right now,

31:48

no one needs to negotiate with

31:50

any other parties, because they’re nobody.

31:53

They’re there, living under the table and

31:55

begging for scraps. But when, in order to pass

31:58

some law, United Russia needs

32:01

to go and strike a deal with someone,

32:03

then maybe the law won’t be so

32:05

idiotic—and that’s exactly what will happen. The law

32:09

won’t be so idiotic. Right here,

32:13

my friends, is the ideal situation:

32:15

we have a party,

32:16

we nominate people, we hold

32:19

primaries, identify the best candidates,

32:21

and then in the election we enthusiastically campaign

32:23

for our best candidates. But here

32:25

is the current situation, which is that

32:28

everywhere, 90% are from United Russia.

32:31

Sure, it would be great if something happened

32:33

and we suddenly jumped straight to that point.

32:37

And we’ll be doing a lot of things as well. So

32:39

we’re not giving up rallies, or

32:41

investigations, or anything else. In other words,

32:44

we believe it would be right

32:45

to move straight there. But if we can’t

32:47

make that move,

32:49

then let’s at least move over here.

32:51

Let’s move to the point where United

32:53

Russia has lost its majority at least in

32:56

the biggest cities—Moscow and St. Petersburg.

32:58

Let’s move to where United

33:01

Russia is reduced to a minority. Places where,

33:03

well, it has already lost gubernatorial

33:05

elections: Irkutsk Region, Khabarovsk

33:07

Region, Vladimir Region. All of this

33:09

can be done, and of course it must be done.

33:13

Now, these systemic parties are not our heroes,

33:15

let’s be honest. And we will have

33:19

to work for people who are not

33:21

our heroes at all and are generally questionable figures,

33:23

but we’re still working for ourselves, because

33:25

this is about breaking United Russia’s monopoly.

33:28

The third argument I want to touch on today.

33:30

Ah, well, I just saw on Facebook

33:33

and VKontakte that people are writing:

33:35

“So you’re suggesting I vote for the LDPR

33:37

or for some communist—Stalinists?”

33:39

Never in my life. What am I, an idiot?

33:43

You are not voting for a communist or for

33:45

a Stalinist. You are voting for a function. You

33:47

are voting

33:49

for there to be fewer United Russia members.

33:52

Right now they’re a monolith; they control

33:54

everything. So let’s at least take these

33:56

hopeless United Russia people—these Sergeis and Brilyovs—and

33:59

dilute them with a couple, three,

34:03

or better yet a dozen

34:05

representatives from other parties. There will,

34:08

of course, be some

34:09

communists, Stalinists, and various other

34:10

people—but they are different. Communists

34:12

are different too. Some of them are fairly

34:14

decent, and some are not, but in

34:17

any case, some kind of confrontation will begin.

34:20

These will be new

34:22

parliaments at the city level,

34:24

legislative assemblies where there is at least

34:26

some clash between factions. And we will

34:29

watch it happen. Say, in the Moscow City Duma,

34:32

one faction argues with another because

34:34

they can’t push through a United Russia

34:35

bill. You have to admit, that’s far

34:38

better than what we have now. Right now you

34:40

don’t hear anything about this at all, because

34:42

United Russia passes any laws it wants

34:44

just like that. The Presidential Administration

34:46

sends over a bill, and it gets passed within

34:48

a day, because United Russia

34:50

controls the entire process—committees,

34:52

commissions, everything. So if at least

34:55

a couple of committees are controlled by other

34:57

parties, that is still, you have to admit,

34:58

much better. All right, I see questions here, and

35:01

I’m being asked one. Ruslan asks:

35:03

“Alexei, in Moscow the systemic parties

35:05

aren’t popular. If people used to run under their banners,

35:07

it was only because they were afraid of being barred from the ballot.”

35:09

But those fears didn’t materialize. And, Ruslan, this is

35:13

a popular point of view—and an equally

35:16

completely wrong one. What do you mean

35:17

“not popular”? Go and look

35:20

at the election results in Moscow for the

35:22

Moscow City Duma. In 18 districts, communists

35:26

came in second and got more than

35:29

20%.

35:31

A Just Russia is popular too. The LDPR isn’t popular in

35:34

Moscow or St. Petersburg, but the communists,

35:36

A Just Russia, and various

35:38

independent candidates are quite

35:40

popular. In that sense, this is really just

35:43

a widespread misconception

35:46

among people living in the centers of big cities, who

35:48

think, “Well, among us here,

35:52

no one is going to vote for

35:53

communists, because we’re all such

35:55

educated, respectable people.” But all the centers

35:58

of education and science in Russia,

36:01

Novosibirsk Akademgorodok (a major Soviet-era scientific research hub),

36:03

places like Obninsk, the centers

36:05

of the biggest cities—look there, and you’ll see that

36:08

in Moscow’s Gagarinsky District, where

36:10

all those who work in the Academy of

36:14

Sciences live—who is the deputy there? A communist.

36:19

They vote that way out of protest, and so

36:23

they vote for the systemic opposition. There isn’t another one,

36:25

and people are simply used to going to

36:27

elections, and they will keep going to elections. And

36:29

even in those elections that should

36:32

properly be boycotted—and such elections do exist and

36:34

will continue to exist—I wasn’t able

36:36

to convince them this time. They went anyway.

36:38

Well, I convinced some, not others. They

36:39

went and voted. They’re used to it. But let

36:41

this voting at least serve some purpose.

36:43

We will vote in a coordinated way

36:45

to knock out the United Russia candidate. That is exactly why

36:49

our project exists. I still have a lot more to say

36:51

I’ll spend some time answering questions.

36:53

Let’s do a few more. Uh, a couple more.

36:56

I’ll take a couple more, but I’ll keep

36:58

answering them constantly, because until I

36:59

can persuade,

37:03

well, 15% of the country’s voters—which is a lot.

37:05

It’s a big, ambitious task.

37:07

Not an easy one. To win, uh, for example,

37:09

in Moscow and St. Petersburg we need a much

37:11

smaller number of people. But across the

37:13

country as a whole, I want to convince 15% of the population that

37:16

this is how they need to vote—

37:18

in a coordinated way. Then we really will

37:20

deprive United Russia of its majority everywhere. And

37:22

it will be a different country, despite, I don’t

37:26

know, the police, the courts, and everything else.

37:29

So I’m going to devote a lot of attention to this.

37:32

A few more questions now.

37:33

Unicorn Gerald asks me: “What’s the point

37:35

of Smart Voting if you’re

37:37

being denied party registration?”

37:40

Unicorn “Gerald.” Well, that’s exactly why I’m

37:42

proposing Smart Voting.

37:46

If I had a party—if you and I had our

37:48

unicorn party—we wouldn’t need

37:51

to come up with any kind of Smart Voting.

37:53

I’d be sitting here with you saying, “Guys,

37:55

vote for the Russia of the Future party,”

37:57

which is what my program is called, because

37:58

it’s the best party. And you’d say to me,

38:00

Unicorn Gerald supports me. No

38:01

problem, Lyosha, I’ll vote for you. But

38:05

we can’t do that, because

38:06

we don’t have a party, because Putin

38:07

understands that our party would fairly

38:09

quickly defeat him. And you and I,

38:11

Unicorn, face a basic choice. Either we

38:15

ignore elections altogether and say,

38:18

they’re dishonest, they’re dishonest, they’re

38:20

unfair, they’re unfair. And

38:22

we just don’t care—we don’t want to use them

38:24

as a mechanism at all. That’s

38:27

fine. We have, well, other things

38:29

to do besides that. But then the

38:32

40% of the population that still goes

38:35

to vote says to us: “Guys,

38:37

have you abandoned us? Hello, Alexei,

38:39

Unicorn, Gerald—have you

38:41

left us behind? We watch your program too.”

38:43

We’re, well, we’re going to the polls. Just tell

38:45

us who to vote for. We can’t

38:47

opt out. We’re used to it. We believe in

38:49

the procedure, blah blah. We’re election observers,” they’ll

38:51

say, yes. So, uh, while you’re

38:55

off doing your own

38:56

great things, at least give us

38:58

instructions on what to do in the election.”

38:59

So that’s what we’re giving them—guidance. I’m not saying

39:02

this is the main grand strategy. We

39:04

won’t do only this and nothing else. We’ll

39:06

be doing many things. But if you

39:09

still go to elections, I insist that

39:12

going to vote without taking part in

39:15

the 2019 Smart Voting system

39:18

is meaningless. It has absolutely

39:20

no point. Vote smart,

39:23

vote with purpose.

39:26

Hedgehog in the Fog joins the unicorn

39:29

and says: “Why should I vote

39:31

for someone I don’t like?” Because

39:33

why can’t I vote for

39:35

a United Russia candidate if I like him? Not all

39:37

United Russia members are bad. Great question, Hedgehog.

39:40

All United Russia members are bad, because they are

39:43

members of the United Russia party. From that

39:45

point of view, they are part of a monopoly that

39:48

doesn’t let anyone else in. And just because

39:50

this particular United Russia member, in personal interactions,

39:52

may seem like a nice enough guy to you,

39:54

well, let him remain a nice enough guy and

39:56

go take a walk down the street. But

39:58

when he runs for office,

40:00

he is building a huge wall that

40:05

protects

40:07

the authorities from you, Hedgehog in the Fog, from

40:10

Unicorn Gerald, from Alexei

40:12

Navalny, from the Communists, the LDPR, from

40:14

everyone under the sun. Taken together, they’ve built

40:16

a fence and they let no one in. But right now the system is arranged

40:19

so that you and I can’t even

40:21

get near that fence. So, well,

40:23

some fairly weak

40:25

people have been allowed in, people who can’t climb

40:26

over the fence. Right now, you and I are simply

40:28

building a ladder,

40:30

and with that ladder we’ll at least try to get these

40:32

weak little guys from the systemic parties

40:34

over the fence. And

40:37

once we get enough of them over

40:40

in sufficient numbers, dear Hedgehog in the Fog, they

40:43

will, after all, be able to oppose United Russia there

40:45

in some way. One way or another, they’ll

40:49

be weakened. And then you and I—Navalny,

40:53

Hedgehog, and Unicorn Gerald—

40:55

will break down the gates ourselves and walk in

40:57

and win real elections with

40:58

real candidates. And now Anna Rey

41:02

asks me: “Alexei, about

41:05

your Smart Voting—don’t you think

41:06

that United Russia members could simply

41:08

move into controlled parties if

41:09

those start winning? That would also create

41:11

the appearance of democracy.” Well no, they won’t,

41:12

of course, switch over. And

41:15

let me rephrase the question this way: all sorts of

41:18

local, regional guys—well,

41:21

some, I don’t know, local businessmen

41:24

or local activists, the kind of

41:26

hustling, maybe even somewhat

41:28

amoral types—right now they think: “Aha, I

41:30

want to become a deputy; where do I need

41:32

to go? To United Russia.” And they go to

41:35

United Russia. And United Russia says,

41:37

“Well, if you want to become a deputy,

41:40

kiss Sergei Brilyov’s foot. And lick

41:44

Putin’s portrait. So there you are—you have to

41:46

kiss the foot, lick the portrait, and then you become

41:48

a United Russia member. But as a result of Smart

41:50

through voting, we will create a system in which

41:52

some local, I don’t know,

41:53

businessman or activist will think: "But I’m not going to join

41:55

United Russia (the ruling pro-Kremlin party), because

41:57

it’s difficult there, because Navalny

42:00

together with Hedgehog and Gerald the Unicorn,

42:03

have set up Smart Voting, and

42:05

now a United Russia candidate in the center of any

42:08

major city, first and foremost, will have a hard time

42:10

getting elected. I’d better go

42:14

join some other systemic

42:16

party instead. That’s what we want to achieve."

42:18

Again, this is a fight against monopoly.

42:22

Your vote is a vote

42:24

against United Russia’s monopoly

42:28

and most often, let’s be honest, it is a vote for

42:30

a rather unpleasant guy, because

42:33

the decent guys won’t be allowed onto the ballot, and

42:36

the decent guys... I mean, for the Moscow City Duma

42:38

we are putting people forward.

42:41

Ilya Yashin wants to run. He’s a great

42:43

candidate, even though he hasn’t previously

42:44

taken part in elections and doesn’t have

42:48

a track record of winning

42:50

a lot of votes, but we understand that he is

42:51

a strong candidate. Yankauskas, Milov,

42:55

there are some Yabloko party people who have received

42:57

high percentages. Our own Kolya

43:00

Lyaskin wants to run. I hope that the Anti-Corruption Foundation

43:03

will nominate a couple of

43:04

people, and we will create a fair

43:08

system in which, well, we

43:12

will try, as much as possible. In

43:14

80% of cases, it will be a fairly

43:16

technical decision. We will see who

43:18

came in second. In another 10% of cases

43:20

it will also be fairly easy to understand who the

43:22

strongest candidate is. There will be 10% of

43:25

conflict or disputed situations, but we

43:27

will still make a decision that is

43:29

political, deliberate, but fair and

43:31

honest. And you will see that it is, uh,

43:35

political, but fair and honest.

43:37

And these will be decent people. You’ll be glad

43:39

to root for them. But what can the damned

43:41

authorities do? They will try to

43:43

get rid of all the decent guys and girls. And

43:46

the girls and the guys—they will try to

43:47

wipe them all out politically.

43:50

They will wipe them out. Most likely, it will feel

43:52

very unpleasant, because we will have to

43:54

vote only for all the others. But that is what we

43:55

will do, because they still

43:57

weaken United Russia. I am going to

44:01

talk about this a great, great deal and

44:05

for a very, very long time.

44:07

I’ll even release videos specifically about it. And

44:10

keep asking these questions. All

44:11

the questions you write to me now,

44:13

I will carefully note down, group together, and

44:16

answer. Next, I really do

44:18

need to say something to you about Kerch,

44:22

because,

44:24

well, of course, it is the main

44:26

topic everyone is discussing.

44:28

I won’t hide it: the fact that all this

44:31

has become the main topic of discussion

44:33

has irritated me, because, well,

44:35

Putin’s goal, essentially,

44:37

is being achieved. You and I are not discussing

44:39

Brilev, not the introduction of VAT on sausage, not

44:44

the falling standard of living. Instead, once again, we are discussing

44:46

some Kerch incident, some unclear thing.

44:49

That is, once again we are discussing some kind of

44:51

aggression against Ukraine or aggression on behalf of

44:54

Ukraine. In other words, Putin’s goal

44:58

is being achieved. Russian citizens are once again

45:00

discussing foreign policy problems. And

45:03

when people discuss foreign policy

45:04

issues, something short-circuits in many people’s

45:06

heads, and basically they

45:08

think they need to support any—uh,

45:13

no, rather, they think that any position

45:16

coming from the television is some kind of

45:19

pro-Russian position. Therefore, they believe they must

45:22

support what’s on TV, support

45:24

Putin, because that is what

45:26

patriotism consists of.

45:28

And the leader of them all, the absolute patriot Sergey

45:30

Brilev, carefully presents on television

45:34

a kind of framework for how we all

45:37

are supposed to speak. And right now, of course, that

45:39

framework is that Ukraine

45:41

committed a monstrous provocation.

45:44

So, we have dealt with that provocation.

45:46

Let’s start with this:

45:48

that

45:51

uh

45:54

conceptually, so to speak. I don’t even want

45:57

to get into discussing right now

46:01

maritime law or anything else.

46:03

Let’s just, as reasonable people,

46:05

work it out logically. So who is more

46:09

in the right here: Russia or Ukraine? I just want

46:13

us, as ordinary normal

46:15

people, to cast aside all the nonsense. Let’s

46:18

start by simply looking at

46:20

the map,

46:22

at what that place looks like. You can see that

46:26

Mariupol is in one place, and

46:29

Odesa is in another.

46:32

How can a ship from Mariupol sail

46:35

to Odesa except through this

46:37

Kerch Strait? How, in general, can it get out of

46:39

the Sea of Azov, where a significant part of the coastline belongs to

46:42

Ukraine—we are not even discussing

46:43

Crimea right now, whose it is or isn’t—but they

46:46

have no other objective way

46:49

except to pass through that strait.

46:52

So in such cases, well, what happens is

46:54

again, the reasonable thing. People

46:56

say: "Well then, the Sea of Azov is

46:57

an inland sea of Russia and Ukraine." And

47:00

we all sail through it as we wish,

47:02

simply observing navigation rules,

47:05

because that is logical. If we have decided

47:09

to take this kind of position, then to hell with

47:12

them. They’re supposedly so bad there, doing whatever...

47:14

Poroshenko says—or maybe they say in the Rada (the Ukrainian parliament)—

47:17

they shout: "Those scoundrel Ukrainians." Or just

47:20

that we don't like them. Or say something like this:

47:22

it so happened that this shore is ours on this side,

47:26

and this shore is ours on that side too. So

47:27

we won't allow it—let them pay us money.

47:30

If we've decided to act so cleverly, then

47:33

we shouldn't forget this—I've just shown you this little

47:35

piece of the map. Move it

47:37

a little lower. Let's move it a little

47:39

lower and see what happens if we're not

47:44

the only ones being so clever. That's not the piece

47:46

of the map. I need a different one.

47:53

All right, apparently there is no second piece of the map.

47:55

Well then, fine, I'll appeal to your

47:59

knowledge of geography.

48:01

The Black Sea is enclosed in exactly the same way

48:04

as the Sea of Azov. There too, there are two

48:07

shores and a very narrow passage there—

48:09

the Bosporus and the Dardanelles. And on one side

48:11

there is Turkey, and on the other side there is Turkey. And

48:14

if Erdogan suddenly starts doing what

48:16

we are doing, saying: "Who do those

48:18

Russians [ __ ] think they are? Hell, I don't even

48:20

know who else is on the Sea of Azov—why

48:22

are they barging in on me? This is mine. And let

48:25

let's switch things on here now and start

48:27

using our border patrol boat there to bully

48:29

someone around."

48:32

And what are we supposed to do in that situation?

48:35

Well, that's exactly why international

48:36

law exists—international maritime law,

48:38

to say: "Look, if there is no

48:40

other way to sail out of

48:42

our inland sea, say, into the

48:44

Mediterranean or the Atlantic Ocean,

48:47

to go catch herring, then, well, you are obliged

48:49

to let them pass. That's how it works—you are obliged

48:53

to let them pass." And in that sense, well, there's no need

48:56

to stage this clown show and

48:58

invent some special measures

49:01

against these Ukrainian boats,

49:04

whether military or civilian, I don't know. Well, if

49:06

there is no other route, they must

49:08

be allowed through, just as for us there is no

49:11

other route to sail into the Mediterranean.

49:12

So the Turks let us through.

49:14

It's a NATO country, and we sail through, uh,

49:18

to go do something involving Syria or whatever.

49:20

And our relationship with Turkey is quite complicated.

49:23

Still, we sail through, and they must

49:25

let us pass. There is no other route, because

49:27

if you close the only

49:28

sea route there, then that is effectively

49:30

a declaration of war. You shouldn't do that. And

49:33

in that sense, unquestionably, it is

49:36

the Russian authorities who are now acting

49:38

rashly, which of course is very much

49:42

to the advantage of the Ukrainian authorities. Here I

49:46

know I've immediately stepped onto thin ice. And

49:49

the comments will be full of

49:50

angry Ukrainians who

49:52

believe that it is absolutely

49:54

impossible and unacceptable to criticize their, uh,

49:58

leadership. But unquestionably, right now this is

50:02

a win-win situation both for Poroshenko

50:04

and for Putin. And this martial

50:06

law that has now been introduced in

50:07

Ukraine, and this decree on martial

50:09

law—uh, you know, here, generally speaking,

50:12

I don't like commenting on

50:14

Ukrainian events, because, well, I

50:17

basically believe—and this is well known—that

50:20

the war with Ukraine was started

50:22

so that we would endlessly discuss

50:24

Ukraine and not discuss our own situation.

50:27

Because, quite rightly, people tell us:

50:29

why are you meddling in

50:31

our affairs at all? Discuss your own Russia. I

50:33

completely agree. Ukraine doesn't interest me;

50:35

I'm interested in Russia, but

50:37

still. Listen, let's

50:38

be honest, yes? Let's take Putin

50:40

for a moment. Good Lord, this is going to be

50:41

awkward. Twenty seconds of

50:43

Putin saying something that's actually hard not to

50:46

agree with.

50:47

And how are border guards supposed to act?

50:50

Military vessels entered the territorial

50:52

waters of the Russian Federation and are not responding.

50:54

It's unclear what they intend to do.

50:56

There are clear signs of, uh,

50:59

a provocation prepared in advance,

51:03

designed specifically so that afterward

51:05

it could be used as a pretext

51:08

to introduce martial law

51:10

in the country.

51:13

Let's be honest again: in

51:14

Ukraine, martial law was not introduced

51:16

when there was actual, full-scale war—tanks,

51:19

planes were going down, people were being shot at every day.

51:22

We saw a real war there. They did not

51:25

introduce martial law. They did not introduce

51:28

martial law when...

51:30

There were hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing, and martial

51:32

law was not introduced. Now they brought it in over

51:35

some incident that, in essence, was of course simply

51:36

utterly minor. Well, on the scale

51:39

of what was happening there, there was

51:41

one person wounded, people arrested—well,

51:44

of course not entirely insignificant, but

51:45

compared with what had happened before, let's

51:48

say it plainly—and suddenly

51:50

the entire Ukrainian leadership

51:53

snapped to attention,

51:54

put on camouflage uniforms, and declared that

51:59

they, uh,

52:02

had to introduce martial law.

52:05

But why now? Yes, it's obvious why

52:08

they act this way—well,

52:11

let's put it this way,

52:13

cynical politicians in every country and

52:16

at all times do this. It's not just Ukraine. Because

52:18

on the eve of an election, it benefits you

52:21

to completely shift the agenda, not

52:23

to discuss corruption or

52:25

anything else. You declare martial

52:28

law, and you become the king of the information space.

52:30

the agenda. You tell everyone: "Right, this is not the time

52:32

to discuss, I don't know, things like fuel prices,

52:37

it's not the time to discuss some

52:40

rumors about corruption in my government,

52:43

when we're under martial law. Because

52:45

guys, I don't have time right now to sit here with

52:46

you. I have to go to a meeting,

52:49

and I need to put on this military cap

52:51

right now,

52:53

dust off my epaulettes and go to the

52:55

military council meeting to

52:57

discuss brilliant military operations."

53:00

Like, I'll put Ukraine's fleet on

53:03

combat alert, because, well, we all

53:06

understand that this is complete

53:08

nonsense. And of course it's convenient, right before

53:11

the election, to impose martial law. And everyone

53:14

is happy.

53:15

Putin is happy, and Poroshenko is happy too.

53:17

It's also very telling that this

53:19

video, uh, of the, well,

53:22

border guards,

53:24

uh,

53:26

moving in. Let's watch it. There should be

53:27

all those kinds of words bleeped out in it.

53:29

Have you seen it? Let's watch it

53:30

again. 37 seconds. 10. Stop

53:33

engines. Stop engines.

53:35

Turning to port.

53:36

Port thrust.

53:37

Port thrust acknowledged.

53:39

Helm, increase.

53:43

Reversing.

53:48

get out

53:49

[music]

53:51

come on

53:53

come on, all of it

53:56

left

54:05

821

54:08

forward

54:10

port thrust to the side, left

54:16

Bar KP

54:19

reverse, stop engines

54:20

helm acknowledged on board

54:24

By the way, I should note: if anyone needs

54:26

proof of who exactly

54:28

initiated this provocation, then this

54:30

video, well, it quite clearly

54:32

shows that the whole thing was a

54:34

Russian operation, because on an FSB vessel,

54:36

you know that these days even ordinary

54:38

personnel, ordinary soldiers, are forbidden

54:40

to have smartphones.

54:42

They're forbidden to use social

54:44

media, forbidden to take photos, and these

54:47

security officers run around, the ones

54:50

from what is called the special department

54:52

of the Ministry of Defense, making sure

54:54

the soldiers aren't filming anything. And then

54:56

immediately after this event, footage

54:59

shot on an FSB vessel

55:01

ends up online. And right away it

55:04

is discussed on television. But obviously

55:06

that's exactly the point, and then there's also this

55:08

whole thing: "Crush him, crush him." Very

55:10

revealing. Here's what I wanted to tell you. We

55:12

have this great tool called

55:14

Trending Today, which, uh, shows the most

55:18

interesting things on social media. I

55:20

really recommend using it. Search for

55:22

Trending Today, because we

55:24

saw that on the day this recording was published,

55:26

it was simultaneously being

55:29

gleefully used by both

55:33

politicized

55:36

well, that is, Russian propagandists

55:38

and politicized Ukrainians. So

55:40

let's take a look. For

55:44

Russian propagandists, this really

55:46

became a symbol of toughness. They weren't at all

55:49

embarrassed that there was an officer there, that

55:51

some captain was shouting obscenities

55:54

and behaving in a way that, well, wasn't exactly

55:57

very dignified. No, it was, it was

55:59

awesome. There was also this tweet, which I

56:01

liked. It said that this "Crush him." Well

56:04

and then, with more profanity, it should become

56:07

the motto of Russia's foreign policy.

56:10

They just love

56:13

this kind of crude, pathetic brutality.

56:16

A boat rams someone there, no big deal. And

56:20

so, as Russia, we're apparently supposed to

56:22

run everyone over with this boat too. And

56:24

the Ukrainian blogosphere, well, it

56:27

naturally,

56:29

of course, pushed this recording just as much

56:31

but from the other

56:34

side, saying: "Just look

56:36

at them, they're just animals, they're

56:38

not people. That's not an officer, that's a brute, and he

56:41

well, this is an obvious display of aggression,

56:43

uh, and so on and so on and so

56:46

forth." And that's why I say that this is, basically,

56:48

for politicians, for the

56:51

political establishment, for the

56:52

current leadership of one

56:54

country and the other, a win-win situation.

56:56

Of course, the ones who lost out were, first and foremost,

56:58

Russian citizens, because

56:59

the dollar went up, the ruble

57:01

fell, which means prices will

57:03

rise, and some new sanctions will be imposed.

57:05

So while those people over there

57:07

are enjoying themselves, having fun. This whole

57:09

propaganda gang thinks it's great:

57:11

"Crush him." And we'll be the ones to pay for all of it.

57:15

It's all very, uh, very sad. By the way,

57:18

speaking of "crush him"—I was curious,

57:20

so I looked into who else the FSB crushes. And

57:24

when these FSB border patrol boats

57:27

ram other people in the same way, it actually

57:29

looks a lot less

57:31

glamorous. Let's watch a short clip from Kamchatka

57:33

(a peninsula in Russia's Far East).

57:34

No, it's fine, it didn't get tangled.

57:40

[music]

58:12

Well, I assume they were some kind of

58:14

poachers, of course. They set...

58:16

the net and the border guards—well, it looks

58:17

it really does look like sheer brutality. Well,

58:19

did you really absolutely have to

58:20

run over their boat? If they are

58:22

poachers, then detain them,

58:24

seize those nets, seize the boat afterward. But

58:28

why was all of this necessary? It's this kind of

58:29

swagger, just brazen

58:33

swagger from people who were given

58:35

an ID, were given weapons, and so

58:37

they think they absolutely need to

58:39

drive over that boat there, and then

58:41

from the deck talk to that poacher,

58:44

who became a poacher because he has

58:45

nothing to eat, excuse me, because

58:47

there is no other work there. And to talk to

58:50

him like that. You have to admit, it no longer

58:51

looks so cool and powerful. This whole

58:54

"crush him. You take him on the right, I’ll take him on the left."

58:57

when this kind of thing is done to Russian citizens,

58:59

it doesn’t look nearly as

59:02

interesting. So, what I want

59:04

to say is that, unfortunately, this provocation

59:06

is undoubtedly Putin’s, and now they will

59:10

keep, I don’t know, savoring it and

59:12

enjoying it and extracting benefits from it.

59:15

And, uh, the two countries—or rather, I

59:17

of course don’t mean Ukraine as a whole,

59:19

but the leadership of Ukraine, which

59:21

will now happily keep

59:24

playing this game. They and Putin will keep tossing

59:25

the ball back and forth, and there will be this

59:27

cute little game about how

59:31

let’s not discuss the internal problems

59:33

of our countries, let’s discuss this endless

59:35

Kerch situation. But I, for one, would like to discuss

59:38

social issues, especially since we

59:41

have noticed that the social

59:44

agenda, which in principle should be present

59:46

in the media and, well, in internet media like this,

59:49

and on YouTube, for example, is basically

59:52

treated as some kind of marginal topic. Nobody

59:54

ever discusses it. And we, well,

59:56

as an experiment, simply

59:58

went a couple of times with the doctors’ union. I

1:00:01

have spoken about this on the program—they

1:00:03

carry out inspections of hospitals. So, uh,

1:00:07

they went to the hospital in Vidnoye,

1:00:10

where doctors are being fired and wages are

1:00:11

tiny, despite the fact that the Moscow region is

1:00:13

wealthy. Then they went to

1:00:15

Balashikha, where doctors are basically treated, well, like

1:00:18

traffic cops, you know? Traffic cops are told:

1:00:19

"Go on, collect bribes. At the end

1:00:21

of the shift, you have to hand over 10,000 rubles

1:00:22

to the shift supervisor, and he has to hand over 5,000

1:00:24

to someone else, and someone else hands over another

1:00:27

3,000 to somebody else. And so you get this pyramid,

1:00:29

a pyramid, a pyramid. And it turns out that

1:00:31

right now in healthcare, this kind of

1:00:32

pyramid exists. And dentists,

1:00:35

for example,

1:00:36

are told: "Come on, you’re rich

1:00:37

dentists, why are you pretending to be poor here?"

1:00:39

You should be paying 15,000 rubles every month."

1:00:42

And nothing helps them, nothing gets

1:00:44

done. And what’s interesting is that this

1:00:47

union activity—we are following it with great

1:00:49

interest, documenting it—actually works. They

1:00:51

removed one chief physician after our first

1:00:53

report, and after the second report they

1:00:55

suspended this

1:00:58

deputy chief physician, who

1:01:00

was extorting bribes and building this

1:01:03

corruption pyramid. In that sense,

1:01:06

we want to cover more and more

1:01:09

things like this—specifically social

1:01:11

issues in healthcare and education.

1:01:12

So why am I saying all this?

1:01:14

First, support this doctors’ union.

1:01:15

And second, uh, write to us

1:01:20

—the Doctors’ Alliance—write to us and tell us

1:01:23

whether you like that we are making

1:01:25

segments and reports on this topic or not.

1:01:26

Is it worth devoting more

1:01:28

time to this, or would you rather I

1:01:31

just keep churning out politics here—Ukraine,

1:01:33

Solovyov, Kiselyov, Brilyov, and all that

1:01:37

stuff? About music and, Lord forgive me, about

1:01:40

rappers. Never.

1:01:43

Things are arranged in such a way that apparently I will never

1:01:44

be able to stop talking about them,

1:01:46

because remember, Putin declared the Year of

1:01:48

Youth after we held the rallies on March 26,

1:01:53

March 26

1:01:56

of 2017, I think. I’ve already even

1:01:57

forgotten when all that was. Quite

1:01:59

a long time ago. And

1:02:02

Putin got scared—what do you mean, young people

1:02:05

have suddenly gone out to rallies and are all

1:02:07

dissatisfied? There were meetings, you

1:02:09

remember, and some bloggers spoke in the

1:02:11

State Duma (the lower house of Russia’s parliament), and Medvedev was tasked with dealing with

1:02:14

youth policy. And everyone was giving

1:02:16

various pieces of advice, and there were endless

1:02:19

experts and discussions about what the authorities

1:02:22

would do in terms of youth

1:02:25

policy to attract young people to

1:02:27

their side. And they kept thinking, kept

1:02:29

thinking, and came up with a brilliant idea.

1:02:32

Ban everything, damn it. Just look

1:02:35

at the bans this autumn. There is, there is

1:02:39

such a thing as a map of bans.

1:02:43

You see? In Russia in 2018,

1:02:47

a map of bans appeared. Just

1:02:49

take a look, I mean, yes, there’s

1:02:51

Makhachkala and Vladikavkaz, of course, but everything

1:02:54

else—places where you could at least

1:02:56

theoretically suppose that the local

1:02:59

population is genuinely, well,

1:03:01

annoyed by, I don’t know, naked

1:03:03

women running around on stage—though nobody has

1:03:05

naked women running around on stage. Everything

1:03:07

else is perfectly ordinary places where any

1:03:11

concerts have been allowed for the last 30 years

1:03:17

or 35 years. I, for one,

1:03:20

was a big fan of rock music back in

1:03:22

my final years of school and in

1:03:24

my student years.

1:03:26

Well, those were already wild times. I mean,

1:03:29

it was the very beginning of the 1990s. Nobody

1:03:32

there was some concert, I think,

1:03:34

I was on my way to some punk concert, I won’t

1:03:36

even pretend to remember which one. And we got there, and

1:03:39

it had either been banned, or those

1:03:41

punks had been kicked out of the club. Something

1:03:42

like that. I mean, that kind of thing hadn’t happened. It had all

1:03:46

ended in the late 1980s.

1:03:50

And then suddenly, banned concerts again,

1:03:53

banned musicians.

1:03:56

A completely fantastical

1:03:58

uh,

1:04:00

some kind of

1:04:02

utterly absurd explanation. I saw

1:04:05

a headline saying that all these rappers

1:04:07

are working for Ukraine.

1:04:10

What does that even, what does that even

1:04:13

mean? What, the hell, are they— I’m already, I’m already,

1:04:16

sorry, I’ve run the program a bit long.

1:04:18

Turns out I’ve been going on for more than an hour

1:04:19

already. Let me just

1:04:20

pull myself together a bit. What does it even mean

1:04:22

for rappers to be “working for Ukraine”?

1:04:25

It’s unclear. And it’s really great that

1:04:27

people did get outraged, after all, and there is

1:04:29

some kind of response, I guess. I went with

1:04:33

my family—well, without Zakhar, actually, he’s

1:04:35

too little for that. He’s

1:04:37

too young. I went to the concert

1:04:40

that took place in Moscow, the concert in

1:04:42

support of solidarity. Let’s watch 39 seconds

1:04:44

of it. There were some fairly

1:04:46

well, moderately political, but still

1:04:48

political speeches there. Oxxxymiron, 39 seconds.

1:04:51

When they came for the communists,

1:04:54

I stayed silent, because I was not

1:04:57

a communist.

1:04:58

When they came for the Jews, I stayed silent,

1:05:01

because I was not a Jew.

1:05:04

When they came for me, there was no one left

1:05:07

who could defend me, or

1:05:10

something like that. And it’s clear that

1:05:17

this is a problem not only of our time and

1:05:20

place; it’s a problem in all times and in

1:05:22

all countries. But we do not live in other

1:05:25

times or in other countries. We live

1:05:26

here. And that is why this problem is, for us now,

1:05:28

relevant here.

1:05:32

And by that point they had already released the rapper

1:05:34

Husky, and hoped that, well, nothing would come of it,

1:05:37

that no concert would happen, or people

1:05:39

wouldn’t go to it, or there wouldn’t be any kind of

1:05:41

political tension. And everyone took this

1:05:43

to mean that, well, they let him go

1:05:45

not because they were frightened,

1:05:47

but because they realized they were wrong. And some

1:05:50

ridiculous, ridiculous things were written by

1:05:52

Margarita Simonyan, saying that the Presidential Administration

1:05:54

had understood

1:05:57

that local officials had, so to speak, gone too far. And

1:06:00

that’s why Husky was released. Everything’s fine,

1:06:02

guys, don’t worry. But then

1:06:05

literally the very next day there was a completely

1:06:07

hellish situation with the musicians of the group IC3PEAK.

1:06:11

We even got a short

1:06:12

comment from them. Navalny Live, 30

1:06:15

54 seconds. Let’s watch it after all,

1:06:17

because, well, Lyuba Sobol called me

1:06:20

and said, “Can I, let me get

1:06:22

a comment from IC3PEAK, because in

1:06:24

Perm they’re being hunted by the police and the FSB (Russia’s security service).” But I, uh,

1:06:28

typed IC3PEAK into YouTube.

1:06:31

Great group, by the way. Uh, many,

1:06:34

many millions of views. So it turns out I’m

1:06:36

really out of the loop. But I’m watching and

1:06:38

thinking: why exactly is the FSB after them? It’s not clear.

1:06:42

If they were calling for some kind of terrorist attack,

1:06:43

that would be one thing, but they really were being pursued by

1:06:45

the FSB. Here’s what they themselves told us. 54

1:06:47

seconds.

1:06:48

Hi. Kolya and Nastya here.

1:06:51

Hi. Yes, we’ve just made it to

1:06:53

the apartment where we’re

1:06:55

staying in Perm. We really have

1:06:56

had suspected FSB officers

1:06:58

on our tail this whole time. We drove around the city

1:06:59

trying to shake them. Their task

1:07:01

was to escort us out of the city, or

1:07:05

make sure that we were leaving it, or

1:07:07

would leave soon, and that we were not

1:07:10

planning to give any more concerts here

1:07:12

today.

1:07:13

They were very persistent, despite the fact

1:07:15

that we had a lawyer with us. They still

1:07:18

insisted that they

1:07:21

absolutely had to escort us.

1:07:22

They demanded to see our train tickets,

1:07:26

which of course we did not show them,

1:07:27

because we had already been searched before the train

1:07:29

in Kazan.

1:07:30

So, I mean, there was no aggression, no

1:07:32

use of force against us. Everything

1:07:35

was very polite and calm, but the people did not

1:07:37

identify themselves. When asked what was going on, why,

1:07:39

they gave no answers. Just: we will

1:07:42

escort you.

1:07:44

So people were literally declared some kind of

1:07:46

enemies of the people, enemies of the state,

1:07:48

because, well, they’re musicians, and yet

1:07:51

colossal resources were deployed. The mayor

1:07:54

of Perm shows up to cancel the concert.

1:07:57

Then they’re chased down. They hide somewhere.

1:07:59

It’s some kind of, well, comic

1:08:01

and at the same time idiotic detective

1:08:03

story, where lots of different agencies

1:08:05

are hunting down the musicians of IC3PEAK, because

1:08:08

because, because the state needs

1:08:10

someone to fight. And at the same time the state

1:08:13

is handing out awards. It fights enemies. And

1:08:15

at that very same time, somewhere there in the Kremlin, Putin

1:08:19

was decorating those who, well, on behalf of the country, on behalf

1:08:22

of the people—at the same time he

1:08:24

is protecting the public from IC3PEAK and

1:08:26

rewarding those who are dear and pleasing to that

1:08:30

public. Let’s take a look at whom exactly he

1:08:31

was awarding with the Order of Merit for

1:08:35

to the Fatherland, second class or something,

1:08:38

or first class, to Usmanov—the man who

1:08:41

robbed all of us. The man who

1:08:44

first stole at Gazprom, and then went on to

1:08:48

do nothing more than ensure that the profits

1:08:50

from mining and processing plants—well, that is,

1:08:52

they dug resources out of our land, sold them

1:08:56

abroad, and kept the money there, leaving the profits

1:08:59

in offshore companies so that

1:09:01

they would not even have to pay taxes here. In other words,

1:09:03

not only were we never paid for those raw materials,

1:09:06

they seized this mining and processing

1:09:07

plant, paid us nothing for anything—we were

1:09:10

robbed, and now he is supposed to be rewarded. For what

1:09:13

exactly should he be rewarded? What services has he rendered

1:09:15

to the Fatherland? That he bought the yacht

1:09:17

Dilbar for €450 million with our money?

1:09:22

For living there on that yacht abroad

1:09:24

and only coming here in order to

1:09:26

I don’t know, switch on some huge

1:09:29

counting machine that no longer counts

1:09:31

banknotes but suitcases full of money. Who else

1:09:34

did they decorate? Let’s take a look at who this

1:09:36

young, uh, little dude is. Maybe some of you

1:09:39

don’t know. Young Rotenberg,

1:09:42

by the way, speaks Finnish better

1:09:44

than he speaks Russian. A citizen,

1:09:45

I believe, of Finland. And young

1:09:48

Rotenberg was awarded the Order of

1:09:51

Friendship.

1:09:53

For what?

1:09:55

Who needs him at all? Who needs them? Who

1:09:58

in this country values them or is grateful to them? Well,

1:10:02

apart from some of their servants who

1:10:04

work for them. All these people—why

1:10:06

are they being decorated in our name while

1:10:10

at the same time, well, this band IC3PEAK,

1:10:12

whether you like them or not, at least has

1:10:14

millions of views,

1:10:16

millions of people—hundreds of thousands of people—

1:10:19

appreciate their work. They bring them

1:10:21

joy and happiness. People go to their

1:10:23

concerts and pay money for those concerts.

1:10:26

And the clubs receive that money and pay

1:10:29

their employees’ wages. The group

1:10:33

benefits both people and the economy. But

1:10:37

those two, on the contrary, steal. And yet,

1:10:40

some are hunted down by the FSB (Russia’s security service), while others are

1:10:43

ostentatiously decorated in the Kremlin. And that—

1:10:47

well, that is, of course, a brilliant

1:10:49

youth policy. That really is, uh, what

1:10:52

they came up with. And this is, of course, the answer

1:10:54

to those who think some kind of thaw

1:10:56

is possible, or that this Kremlin

1:10:59

might learn from its idiotic

1:11:01

mistakes. Naively, you may think that they

1:11:04

do something idiotic, like jailing the rapper

1:11:06

Husky, but then say to each other, "Well,

1:11:09

we kind of messed up there, let’s

1:11:10

stop doing that." No,

1:11:13

I see Husky, L, Pharaoh, Monetochka,

1:11:17

Matrang—there is already some list of

1:11:20

so-called extremist groups. Good Lord, who

1:11:22

compiled it? By what criteria

1:11:24

was it even compiled? Who on earth thought of

1:11:26

banning Monetochka?

1:11:29

There is no explanation for this. And it will never

1:11:32

end, because these people want to

1:11:36

devour everyone. And even though I’ve

1:11:38

run over time, I won’t respect myself

1:11:41

if I don’t say something about Sergei

1:11:44

Mokhnatkin, whom they are devouring, well,

1:11:47

almost literally. I

1:11:50

even know him a little. Uh, well, sort of

1:11:53

like that. Hello, hello. He is

1:11:55

a man—an elderly man already.

1:11:57

He used to go to rallies. And at one of

1:12:00

those rallies he was arrested, simply because

1:12:02

he happened to be passing by there, and he

1:12:05

wasn’t even taking part. The police were dragging

1:12:07

some woman away somewhere, and he stood up

1:12:08

for her. And so they slapped him with his first

1:12:11

prison term, uh, because he had allegedly struck

1:12:14

a police officer. No one saw this alleged blow

1:12:16

to the officer, and he was imprisoned,

1:12:19

I think, for three years. But he is the kind of person who,

1:12:21

despite being elderly,

1:12:23

is inwardly very tough—he just tells them all

1:12:25

to go to hell. My assumption

1:12:27

is that they wanted to recruit him, and

1:12:28

he told them where to go. I mean,

1:12:31

the point is, he served one sentence.

1:12:35

Then they pinned another charge on him: disrupting

1:12:39

the operation of the penal colony—that this old man,

1:12:44

supposedly wanted to stage a prison

1:12:46

riot. They kept him constantly in a punishment cell, gave

1:12:50

him another sentence, and broke

1:12:53

his spine, claiming, of course, that he

1:12:56

had simply fallen down the stairs or something. So,

1:12:57

they beat him, they torture him. And then

1:13:00

when this next sentence was already coming to an end,

1:13:03

they sent him back to a pretrial detention center (SIZO), pinning on him

1:13:06

yet another charge of disrupting

1:13:08

the operation of the colony—you can imagine

1:13:10

what scoundrels they are. It’s simply that they do not

1:13:12

like him because he turned out to be

1:13:14

such a steadfast person. And they

1:13:15

simply decided to kill him,

1:13:18

and they are killing him. They sent him again to

1:13:20

the SIZO. What danger does he pose to society?

1:13:22

What is his guilt? What exactly did he do?

1:13:25

Tell us how exactly he

1:13:26

disrupted the operation of the colony.

1:13:29

They broke the spine of this sick

1:13:32

man. Even the prison doctors there

1:13:33

were saying, "He cannot be taken to

1:13:35

trial." Nevertheless, a week before

1:13:38

he was due to be released, just a week before,

1:13:40

they sent him back to the SIZO again, opened a new case, and are not

1:13:43

letting him out. There is this well-known expression:

1:13:45

"to let someone rot in prison." That is exactly what

1:13:48

they are doing in practice: trying

1:13:51

to let a man rot in prison, and they have almost

1:13:54

already done it. So, well, uh,

1:13:57

someday

1:13:59

there will be a Mokhnatkin list in Russia, including

1:14:01

among others, and those people who

1:14:04

were involved in this entire chain—them,

1:14:06

Of course, they really need to be locked up for a long time.

1:14:08

Because they are all executioners. And, and

1:14:10

someday there will be a big debate: "Why

1:14:13

should we imprison this court secretary

1:14:15

from the court where Mokhnatkin was tried? Well, he was

1:14:17

just a technical functionary." He was not

1:14:18

a technical functionary; he took part in

1:14:21

this procedure, which was called

1:14:23

rotting an innocent person in prison. That is why they

1:14:25

all need to be put on trial, and then they

1:14:27

all need to be sent, uh, to the place where

1:14:30

Mokhnatkin was imprisoned. Ah—

1:14:33

let's decorate the gallows with light bulbs. That's the title of

1:14:37

my final topic. And it cannot

1:14:40

be called anything else, because that is exactly

1:14:42

what the federal government is proposing.

1:14:44

Our minister came to

1:14:46

Krasnoyarsk. Krasnoyarsk is a very

1:14:48

special city in Russia. It is a major

1:14:50

industrial center. Uh, and it is known not

1:14:53

only for that; it also has this marvel—well,

1:14:55

a monstrous environmental situation. There, there is this,

1:14:56

I think it is the only city where there is

1:14:58

this sort of thing, legally established,

1:15:00

called the "black sky" regime.

1:15:03

It is declared from time to time because

1:15:06

the amount of emissions—well, the way things are set up there,

1:15:09

the wind patterns are such, and Krasnoyarsk

1:15:10

lies in a lowland. So this, this smog and

1:15:14

the emissions from the metallurgical plants,

1:15:16

the chemical plants, uh, well, from all this

1:15:18

industry, they just hang over

1:15:20

the city. And when especially—and it hangs there

1:15:23

all the time—but when there is especially a lot of it and

1:15:26

people are simply breathing some poisonous

1:15:28

substance instead of air, they declare

1:15:30

a "black sky" regime. For example, well,

1:15:32

they recommend keeping

1:15:35

the windows shut and not letting children go outside.

1:15:38

Just think what it is like to live that way.

1:15:41

And if you live in a city where

1:15:44

a "black sky" regime is declared, then you

1:15:45

simply know that you will live there, well,

1:15:47

for 10 years less, because you are breathing

1:15:50

poison. Then the environment minister came,

1:15:54

and he was asked: "So, like, dude, what

1:15:56

are we supposed to do?" Well then, let's

1:15:58

listen, uh,

1:16:02

to what exactly should be done, what his

1:16:04

breakthrough idea was regarding the pipes of

1:16:08

industrial enterprises that are harming

1:16:12

the residents of Krasnoyarsk. Fifty seconds from

1:16:14

an official.

1:16:16

One more point. Today, well, with the Universiade coming soon,

1:16:18

what strikes the eye

1:16:20

of a person who has come

1:16:23

from, as it were, beautifully made-up Moscow,

1:16:28

you know—though it was not always like that either.

1:16:31

I noticed, Sergey Semyonovich, that

1:16:33

basically, perhaps from the Tyumen

1:16:35

region, you brought something that Moscow did not have

1:16:38

before. You have a huge

1:16:40

number of chimneys sticking up, and they

1:16:43

really catch the eye and remind

1:16:46

everyone that it is not the little chimneys above private

1:16:50

homes that are doing the harm, but rather

1:16:52

the big smokestacks.

1:16:54

Think about decorating these smokestacks at night,

1:16:57

at night,

1:16:59

so that they would glow, so that there would be

1:17:02

some kind of

1:17:03

illumination on them. Well,

1:17:05

add a little, little something to these smokestacks,

1:17:08

some extra effect.

1:17:12

Well, that's a great idea, right? You are breathing

1:17:15

poison, that poison is coming from the smokestacks, and you

1:17:17

look at those smokestacks, and you constantly,

1:17:18

well, are reminded that, uh, you are

1:17:21

breathing poison. It ruins your mood?

1:17:25

So what, are you somehow stupid,

1:17:27

people of Krasnoyarsk? Haven't you figured it out yet?

1:17:29

Decorate the smokestacks with light bulbs, with Christmas garlands,

1:17:33

and you will look at these

1:17:34

smokestacks and feel happy, and you will not

1:17:38

be thinking about the fact that some kind of

1:17:39

poisonous smoke is coming out of them. You will simply

1:17:41

look and say: "Well, a light bulb is

1:17:42

pretty, it's a holiday decoration."

1:17:45

After all, we have come from

1:17:48

the metropolis. We are sophisticated people from

1:17:50

Moscow, ministers in black cars,

1:17:53

well, capable of understanding things. And as for

1:17:55

you, you just need to switch on a red

1:17:57

light, and you will feel better. And if it

1:17:59

is red, and then yellow, then green,

1:18:02

that will be even better. And you know, if on top of

1:18:04

the smokestack you put a ball like this,

1:18:08

like on a Christmas tree, or a star, that would be

1:18:11

really great. In Krasnoyarsk everyone would then

1:18:13

maybe even spontaneously

1:18:15

start dancing, forming circle dances

1:18:18

around the factory and rejoicing. This is

1:18:22

actually what is called

1:18:24

the federal government. The man did not say it as a joke,

1:18:26

after all. At a meeting there sits

1:18:28

a whole bunch of idlers. Each one has

1:18:30

an enormous salary. This one's salary is something like

1:18:33

a million rubles a year.

1:18:36

Decorate them with light bulbs, with light bulbs. That is why

1:18:39

I called this section: "Let's decorate

1:18:42

the gallows with some lovely

1:18:43

flowers." That is what they are all offering us.

1:18:45

But in the beautiful Russia of the future

1:18:47

everything will be different. In order

1:18:49

to throw these decorators, these light-bulb people,

1:18:52

out of their, uh, offices,

1:18:55

register on the website 2019.vво.

1:18:59

And I will see you next Thursday.

1:19:01

Bye.

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